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Pam, you have got to stop being so laid back and start telling people how you really feel!!!.....heeheeheehee,........ sorry Pam,....the Devil made me do it!...heehee....
Posted by goodfoe on May 13, 2008 at 09:16 AM
I try hard not to be so shy, JohnBoy!!! :)
Ignorance just irks me! And these trolls are sticking up for Bush, because they are so ignorant! If only we could learn them! hahaha
Get your facts right, numb ones, before you look more stupid than you usually do!
"As president, Clinton championed the Kyoto Protocol, which sets out limits by which industrialized countries must reduce greenhouse gas emissions and five other gases below 1990 levels by 2012. He was never able to get it through the U.S. Senate.
Posted by PamB on May 13, 2008 at 08:59 AM
It's one thing to champion something and quite another to use your position of leadership to get it done. Fortunately his inability to get the job done had prevented us into signing an agreement that was a no-win situation for the United States.
Kyoto Protocol United States On July 25, 1997, before the Kyoto Protocol was finalized (although it had been fully negotiated, and a penultimate draft was finished), the U.S. Senate unanimously passed by a 95–0 vote the Byrd-Hagel Resolution (S. Res. 98),[63][64] which stated the sense of the Senate was that the United States should not be a signatory to any protocol that did not include binding targets and timetables for developing as well as industrialized nations or "would result in serious harm to the economy of the United States". On November 12, 1998, Vice President Al Gore symbolically signed the protocol. Both Gore and Senator Joseph Lieberman indicated that the protocol would not be acted upon in the Senate until there was participation by the developing nations.[65] The Clinton Administration never submitted the protocol to the Senate for ratification.The Clinton Administration released an economic analysis in July 1998, prepared by the Council of Economic Advisors, which concluded that with emissions trading among the Annex B/Annex I countries, and participation of key developing countries in the "Clean Development Mechanism" — which grants the latter business-as-usual emissions rates through 2012 — the costs of implementing the Kyoto Protocol could be reduced as much as 60% from many estimates. Other economic analyses, however, prepared by the Congressional Budget Office[citation needed] and the Department of Energy[citation needed], Energy Information Administration (EIA)[66], demonstrated a potentially large loss to GDP from implementing the Protocol of up to 4.2% (EIA).
Ex-Clinton aides admit Kyoto treaty flawedAt the time, the Clinton White House estimated that the cost of reaching that target was relatively low: about $7 billion to $12 billion a year starting in 2008, when binding reductions would begin phasing in. An average household's energy bills would rise $70-$110 a year, and gasoline prices would inch up no more than 6 cents a gallon, the White House said.
Other government cost estimates were far higher. The Department of Energy estimated that gasoline prices would have to rise 66 cents a gallon — or 53% over a projected 2010 price — to meet Kyoto's emissions targets.
To keep his cost estimates down, President Clinton envisioned an emissions-trading system in which countries unable to meet the greenhouse-gas reduction targets would get credits for helping other nations exceed the standards. The idea was that when all the treaty's members averaged out their emissions, the world's total output would meet a global target.
For example: If the United States wanted to emit more carbon dioxide one year, it could help Russia get below its emissions standard by paying high-polluting Russian industries to adopt technologies to clean up their dirty plants.
Clinton administration economists say that, in retrospect, their low cost estimates were unrealistic. They assumed that:
* China and India would accept binding emission limits and would fully participate in the emissions-trading system, even though they never signed the treaty.
* European opposition to emissions trading could be overcome.
* Most industries and consumers would quickly adopt new, energy-efficient technologies, such as advanced air conditioning systems and gas-electric "hybrid" cars, without financial incentives.Since 1997, however, it has become clear that consumers love their gas-guzzling sport-utility vehicles and aren't embracing energy-efficient technologies; China has no intention of participating in the treaty; and Europe still wants to limit emissions trading as a partial solution to global warming.
Todd Stern, Clinton's global warming coordinator, says that the Europeans would likely go along with an unlimited trading system if the Bush administration would return to the negotiating table to produce a revised treaty it could sign. However, he concedes that China won't participate for now.
Leaving China out of a trading scheme would double the Clinton cost estimate, says Joseph Aldy, who helped develop the estimates for Clinton. "We always thought the (emissions) targets were very ambitious," he says. "But the thing that made us really uneasy about our analysis ... was that if our assumptions didn't come true, you could come out with costs that were much, much higher."
Go find a job, will ya buddy??
Pam, I am a woman. Not sure how that makes you feel but my anatomy really shouldn't concern you. Please try to stick to discussing the issues.
OH, and here's another to stick up your ignorant butt!
One hundred and thirty-seven (137) developing countries have ratified the protocol, including Brazil, China and India
Posted by PamB on May 13, 2008 at 09:01 AM
Pam, you dropped a key sentence from that statement which I will include here for you enlightenment:
One hundred and thirty-seven (137) developing countries have ratified the protocol, including Brazil, China and India, but have no obligation beyond monitoring and reporting emissions.In other words, China, India, and other developing countries were not included in any numerical limitation of the Kyoto Protocol because they were not the main contributors to the greenhouse gas emissions during the pre-treaty industrialization period.
Now, in the time since this agreement, China and India are the greatest contributors to greenhouse gasses so in effect by signing without having to agree to any reductions, they reached a very sweet deal in which they cannot lose.
Good morning, all.
Here's just a hint at who might be running up all those negative poll numbers againstfor Bush and the Republicans.
It may not be just new, younger voters. It looks like the GOP has become a bitter pill to swallow for both rural and urban residents.
Survey: 1 in 10 boomers borrowing for everyday expensesBy ELLEN SIMON, AP Business Writer
Tue May 13NEW YORK - The economic downturn is hitting roughly one in 10 middle-aged and older Americans especially hard, compelling them to borrow money for everyday living expenses and to seek help from family, friends or charities, according to a survey released Tuesday by the AARP.
In the telephone survey of 1,002 adults 45 and older, nearly four in 10 said they had helped a child pay bills or expenses. Among retirees, one-third said they'd helped their children pay bills. Eight percent said they'd helped a parent pay bills or expenses. The survey's margin of sampling error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.
One-third of survey participants said they stopped putting money into their 401(k) or retirement account and 14 percent said they had cut back on their medications.
Inflation Calculation Leaves Out Food, Energy PricesNPR
Morning Edition, May 13, 2008 · The government releases new inflation statistics Wednesday, and consumer prices are expected to rise. While the Federal Reserve does keep an eye on inflation, it usually doesn't take food and energy prices into account. Co-host Steve Inskeep talks with David Wessel, economics editor at the Wall Street Journal, about the Fed data.
The top 2% doesn't worry about such triffles that the baby boomers are going into debt try to pay?
Once upon a time in America, food, housing, and energy costs were the only things used to calculate the state of the economy...not in BushWorld and you can bet not in his third term with a McCain presidency.
"Hey, Cindy, isn't it terrible how the cost of bombing Iran has gone up?"
Ah, the thoughtful, semi-analytic trolls are here today.
You'd think they would be over on the Libertarian blogs all a twitter about Bob Barr entering the race. That sure will bring sanity back to a failed BushWorld?
The Ron Paul vs. Bob Barr race should really keep conservatives topmost in the MSM's political coverage all summer...with McCain still wandering around the country looking for any issue that he's on the right side of with conservatives or even moderate Independents.
Try discussing inflation and being honest about the disastrous effects of globalization? Anybody, anybody from the Right (or Wrong) want to take this topic on?
Pam, you have brightened my day and it was sorely needed!.....John Boy.......
Posted by MichelleLaw on May 13, 2008 at 10:13 AM
So why are we encouraging these fakes to take over our economy and putting ourselves at their mercy?
If we have another military emergency, you think these cheaters would lend us any money or build us the tanks and planes we need to fight back with? We have been renderede helpless.
You conservatives have outsourced our future and now you are worried that by regulating greenhouse gases that it is some way might put us at a big disadvantage? You crossed that bridge 30 years ago when Reagan instituted Code Red with regards to immigration and outsourcing.
You have reaped what you sowed, you sorry Republican bastards. Now you want to divert attention from the lunacy of your actions by arguing whether it's economically prudent to save the polar bears?
Let the GOP go extinct instead. Nobody will miss you.
Gotta run. later.
fun site nov. election map map predictions
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
You have reaped what you sowed, you sorry Republican bastards.
Posted by SandyH
Sandy, like Pam, you have erroneously determined that I am a Republican. And then, having mistakenly assumed that, you both feel that you now have license to insult me. I am happy to have this opportunity to correct you both and encourage you to rethink your misguided attempts to belittle me with these petty childish insults.
Now, as to the issue at hand, the Kyoto Protocol is a flawed agreement drafted by well-meaning but clueless zealots who allowed themselves to be mentally overpowered by the economic experts sent by respective countries to negotiate their respective positions. Those well-meaning but clueless intentions only served to allow the worse of the polluting countries in our world to get a free pass from accepting responsibility for their actions while focusing attention on teh United States and it's contributions to greenhouse gas emissions.
It was a foolish agreement from the start and the US Senate wisely declined to vote in favor of signing it. Thank goodness that they did so otherwise the United States would be in even more difficulties with manufacturing and trade imbalance with these filthy countries that we allowed to take away our livelihoods with that other Clinton hallmark of US destruction, NAFTA.
Now you want to divert attention from the lunacy of your actions by arguing whether it's economically prudent to save the polar bears?
Huh?
Good morning, ALL!
Posted by Rob-in-Indiana on May 13, 2008 at 09:30 AM
Welcome back. I wish that stupid email would die a well deserved death. Send this to everyone on that chain.
Village of Clinton, New York. Located in Oneida County.
So, you see, when that smear-mail goes around saying "the former Clinton Pastor..." it means a former pastor formerly working in CLINTON NEW YORK!
Why would Hillary escape the Secret Service and Bill iin order to drive hundreds of miles to go churchin' with a child molester preacher?
She didn't.
FLIP FLOP. and this is an old creep driving around in a bus called Straight Talk Express!!!
McCain Touts Green Policies at Wind Energy Firm
- but He Opposed Their Key Legislation
Since there is a Primary today, I suppose we can expect a visit from Miss Congeniality to once again grace us with her shrieks.
Posted by SandyH on May 13, 2008 at 10:13 AM
The Cost of Living Adjustment (COLA) as it is figured for military retirees, SSI, and Social Security is figured on the cost of living in mid-year, and doesn't include the costs of food and fuel. Last year the real cost of living was much higher when the "pay raise" went into effect in January than when it was figured in mid-year, which meant that the "raise" was actually a drop in real income.
One of the side effects, for disabled veterans is transportation.
The Disabled American Veterans(DAV) chapters are partnered with the VA in providing van rides to VA facilities. They are seeing an increase in the number of van riders, because of the rising fuel costs. There are many others who don't have vehicles which can make the trip, or like my brother-in-law have failing eyesight or some other reason they can no longer drive.
Here, for instance, the local VA clinic is in Anaconda, 25 miles away, and the VA hospital in Helena is 65 miles away. In eastern Montana, where services are even farther apart the problem is even greater.
Many veterans don't have the gas money to get to their appointments.
A lot of DAV chapters are trying to find more volunteers to drive the vans so they can increase the number of trips per week to VA clinics and hospitals.
Want to support the troops?
Volunteers don't even have to be a veterans, and it means a heck of a lot more than those yellow ribbons. You can find the local DAV in your phone book, or on line at http://www.dav.org/
You conservatives have outsourced our future and now you are worried that by regulating greenhouse gases that it is some way might put us at a big disadvantage? You crossed that bridge 30 years ago when Reagan instituted Code Red with regards to immigration and outsourcing.
You have reaped what you sowed, you sorry Republican bastards.
Let the GOP go extinct instead. Nobody will miss you.
Posted by SandyH on May 13, 2008 at 10:45 AM
HAHAHA. thanks for that Sandy. This guy can profess all he wants, that he is not a Republican, yet he quotes from the Republican Handbook for Dummies, over and over and over! He appears on a Political blog of which I have YET to see one single positive, agreeable comment about or for that party! What would that tell one? That would be indicative of nothing more than a troll, getting his jollies dumping bullshit on an opposing political blog!
Pam, you have brightened my day and it was sorely needed!.....John Boy.......
Posted by goodfoe on May 13, 2008 at 10:29 AM
I am glad to hear that , John.! :)
these lame trolls post this crap, and it has NOTHING to do with the Truth! They think they are fooling someone! they should really find a job or at least one where they give their employer a days work for a days pay.
Video: Military Mom with Child afflicted with Vaccine-induced Autism requests pledge from next President
6 minute version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNqMLsrCUoo&NR=1
2 minute version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGC_U_4nJHc&feature=related
19 parent organizations are endorsing a call for Presidential candidates to pledge to issue two executive orders within 100 days of taking office which would (1) remove mercury from all vaccines by Jan 1. 2010 and (2) require a moratorium on the addition of new vaccines to the recommended list for children until the current vaccine schedule can be proven safe. Supporting organizations include A- CHAMP, Autism One, Autism Research Institute, Autism United, Deirdre Imus Environmental Center for Pediatric Oncology, Environment of Harm Yahoo Group, Generation Rescue, HEAL Foundation, Moms Against Mercury, National Autism Association, National Vaccine Information Center, No Mercury, Safeminds, Schafer Autism Report, Spectrum Magazine, TACA -- Talk About Curing Autism, Treating Autism (UK), Unlocking Autism, and World Mercury Project.
Without a Middle Class, America does not have any dreams.
Parts of what I wrote
Middle Class America 2008
Paper rings of America’s new Middle Class
Golden years of income recession, gas inflation
Poverty smiles like a Katrina tear turned over
Bulldozed and tattered remains of this past glory.
Dollars feather light in groceries stores heavy blight
Taking subprime loans out to weather cold homes
But alas it is another savings and loan banner year,
Where politician get Royal breaks but people suffer.
Oh, schools of past fame fade back to colored panes
Education of this third world cloned condition view,
Shackled minds in people going backwards - sad images.
Good ole days, where there was no Middle Class dreams.
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Mission Accomplished Intelligence Tali-bana politicians;
Ban this, ban that, well ban everything moving Liberal,
But never, ever work for “Made in America” dire needs,
Prayers crying out in fear of dreams lost infrastructures.
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Golden idols of Country Club high fashion frill statements.
Politicians out of step with reality that is bankrupting America
Value family systems that reflect back to those pompous a**es
What pass gas that taxes our senses trying to survive daily routines.
Oh, how America have changes so quickly with a Congress
That folded up their will to protect and serve the people
That the law of the Royal White House is a supreme being,
Where politicians never do their “HOMEWORK” and we die.
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Yes, America remember, in a media that has now capitulated corporate.
Rant words of the Free Press that must come out of old warrior poets:
The pain, the feelings, the emotions that are being re-taught America
That Conservatives War Hawks do indeed profit in Blackwater tears.
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America's legacy of Bush 'n Cheney Middle Class:
“God Bless America” of “Made in America” outsourced,
Leaving two classes with a Republic’s Republican Prose,
Dead Poet Society of a nation in Katrina mourning.
Oh, how we need Real Change in Washington’s compassion,
Where a nation can unite in a greater love than one that will divide.
So come on Camelot Spring Poetry back to life upon children dreams
Where America dances with its verses of fairy tales delights
Biblical verse shunning the political~corporate blight, hugging people
Instead with Poetry making love to a Constitution of Free Verse.
God Bless America of "We the people" politician that works for US over Corporate corrupting benefits that sell off our assets and our dreams for our children's futures. Full poem on Internet under David L Young.
Several months ago, I brought this tasteless subject up as a problem we're all going to have to deal with as we get closer to November. Many of us have already been witness to racist behavior and now the young men and women who are working their butts off for Obama are unfortunately beginning to experience it as well.
Racist Incidents Give Some Obama Campaigners PauseBy Kevin Merida
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, May 13, 2008; Page A01Danielle Ross was alone in an empty room at the Obama campaign headquarters in Kokomo, Ind., a cellphone in one hand, a voter call list in the other. She was stretched out on the carpeted floor wearing laceless sky-blue Converses, stories from the trail on her mind. It was the day before Indiana's primary, and she had just been chased by dogs while canvassing in a Kokomo suburb. But that was not the worst thing to occur since she postponed her sophomore year at Middle Tennessee State University, in part to hopscotch America stumping for Barack Obama.
Here's the worst: In Muncie, a factory town in the east-central part of Indiana, Ross and her cohorts were soliciting support for Obama at malls, on street corners and in a Wal-Mart parking lot, and they ran into "a horrible response," as Ross put it, a level of anti-black sentiment that none of them had anticipated.
"The first person I encountered was like, 'I'll never vote for a black person,' " recalled Ross, who is white and just turned 20. "People just weren't receptive."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/12/AR2008051203014.html?hpid=topnews
I suppose we can expect a visit from Miss Congeniality to once again grace us with her shrieks.
Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo
I assume you are referring to me. No, actually, the coincidence of a primary today has nothing to do with my reappearance here today. It's just that I have quite a busy schedule with family and work so cannot spend my days on here like most of you. I hope you understand not everyone has so much idle time on their hands as you apparently do.
But since you mention the primary in West Virginia today I understand Hillary is expected to trounce Senator Obama quite soundly which will ensure her continued viability as a candidate our ongoing struggle to determine which will represent us in the elections.
As I have maintained from the start, this election will be decided by the superdelegates at the Denver Convention. Now, I realize that most of you seem to have written Senator Clinton off as history but much to your chagrin she's not gone and is starting to be a real concern to the Obama camp and the DNC, especially since some of our top party supporters seem to think that they know more than the majority of our party voters.
You just have to love the tenaciousness of Hillary as she continues to confound and frustrate our "experts".
Pam, I am a woman. Not sure how that makes you feel but my anatomy really shouldn't concern you. Please try to stick to discussing the issues.
Posted by MichelleLaw on May 13, 2008 at 10:04 AM
and, btw. I have a $100 bill that says I know EXACTLY which male troll you really are, but I have wasted enough time on a creep like you.
Go away, little man, go away !
dlester: You are not unappreciated. You always come up with cool ways of saying things that need to be said.
This guy can profess all he wants, that he is not a Republican, yet he quotes from the Republican Handbook for Dummies, over and over and over!
Posted by PamB
I am afraid I don't have that particular handbook you are referring to Pam but since you are constantly reffing to my posts as coming stright from it you obviously have a copy of it in your home which you religiously pour over. Perhaps you could give me the address of the bookstore where you purchased this oft-mentioned handbook of yorus so I may order a copy and then we'll have the same materials?
As for my positive comments, I know you hate Hillary so my comments regarding her, quite positive incidentally, seem to irk you beyond reason. Too bad you have such a closed mind.
I love reading articles like this one!
GOP at risk of losing Deep South seatBy JOSH KRAUSHAAR |
TUPELO, Miss. — This northeast Mississippi city, best known as Elvis Presley’s birthplace, has become the site of a desperate last stand by House Republicans who want to keep their already-reeling caucus from truly being all shook up.
After losing two special elections in conservative-minded districts over the past two months, the GOP is now at risk of losing a seat in the heart of the Deep South — and is pouring all its resources into hanging on to it, including a rare campaign trail appearance by Vice President Cheney on Monday.
A third loss in Tuesday’s 1st District special election would prompt new predictions of electoral doom in November, hurt the party’s already flagging morale and usher in a new round of public finger-pointing among an already fractured GOP leadership.
Posted by MichelleLaw on May 13, 2008 at 11:42 AM
Don't let your ego get away from you. You are not "Miss Congeniality" She will be known by her shriek.
No more hugs or kisses for Bush by McCain! hehehe
For McCain, distance from Bush is key
A poll shows that Bush might do as much damage to McCain as the Rev. Wright does to Obama.
Photo: AP
This year, John McCain is going to have to do what he failed to do in 2000: Beat George W. Bush.
But wait, isn’t McCain going to be running against Barack Obama or (possibly) Hillary Clinton this year?
Yes, but only in one sense. In another sense, McCain’s burden this year is as much about convincing voters that he is not a continuation of the Bush presidency as it is about beating his Democratic opponent.
“John McCain unfortunately is burdened by a not very good economy, by an ongoing war in Iraq and by Bush’s poll numbers in the high 20s,” Ken Duberstein, Ronald Reagan’s former chief of staff, who is very well-connected in Republican circles, told me Monday. “McCain can’t be in a position of defending the last eight years.”
How serious is the problem for McCain?
The poll found “38 percent of likely voters saying McCain’s association with Bush makes them less likely to vote for McCain.”
Play of the Day: McCain faces Boeing blowback
John McCain faced turbulence even before he flew up the Pacific coast from Oregon to Washington on Tuesday.
A crowd of Washington Democrats planned to greet the Republican presidential contender when he landed in Seattle, not just to challenge his policy positions but his support for the local economy.
McCain, you see, was flying into Boeing Field on a Boeing 737 after having worked earlier in this decade to kill a deal to lease Boeing 767 jets to the Air Force for use as refueling aircraft. Two people went to jail and Boeing's then-chief executive resigned over the controversial deal, subsequently shelved.
Earlier this year, the Air Force decided to award a renewed $35 billion tanker contract not to Boeing, but the European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co. — parent company of Boeing rival Airbus — and its U.S. partner, Northrop Grumman Corp.
Some of McCain's advisers lobbied for EADS, but the Arizona senator and former Navy pilot denied interceding on their behalf and defended his oversight of the tanker
http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Play_of_the_Day_McCain_faces_Boeing_05132008.html
Love it!!
Ron Paul revolt could be 'disaster' for Republicans
Rep. Ron Paul is still in the GOP race and even drew 16% of the vote in the recent Pennsylvania Republican primary. Now his supporters are planning to stage a "revolt" at the Republican National Convention in September, possibly with the aim of securing Paul a prime time speaking slot.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Fox_Ron_Paul_supporters_planning_revolt_0513.html
I am really enjoying that this site has done a shift and is moving toward going after McCain
Just stopped in for a quick catch-up
thanks for being here
you have pretty much become my "source of choice" for what is actually happening, good and bad, politically.
WOW !
Carville: Obama likely to win nomination
James Carville is supporting Hillary Clinton's White House bid.
(CNN) — James Carville has been one of Hillary Clinton's most energetic defenders, but on Monday he all but declared Barack Obama will become the Democratic nominee for president.
Speaking to students at Furman University in Greenville, South Carolina, Carville argued Clinton should stay in through the final nominating contest in early June, but said the Democratic tide appears to be moving in Obama's direction
and, btw. I have a $100 bill that says I know EXACTLY which male troll you really are, but I have wasted enough time on a creep like you.
Posted by PamB
I don't really care what money you feel you have to bet to make the others on here allow you but a shred of credibility. If you have $100 to wager foolishly, why not put it to better use by donating it to some worthy cause like a relief fund for Burma or China?
As to who I really am, I suspect in reality you have no clue and are just throwing rocks out into the night.
Missed me.
Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on May 13, 2008 at 11:53 AM
Everyone else knew who you meant. She's probably sticking needles into unsuspecting "patients" right this minute.
Don't let your ego get away from you. You are not "Miss Congeniality" She will be known by her shriek.
Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo
Thank you for clarifying that. I thought you to be a gentleman.
Pretty nervy of Terry McAuliffe to go on TV and rewrite the party rules. Schieffer called him on it, and he still twisted the rules.
On national TV Terry McAuliffe misleads about DNC rules. A former chairman should know better.
Great tits enjoying the warmer weather – so far
As climate change forces animals to shift their breeding schedules, one group of British birds has been able to quickly adapt to the warmer weather without having to rely on slower evolution.
There are limits to their flexibility however, and when those limits are reached, global warming could hit the population hard, researchers say.
Since 1961, ecologists have been tracking the population of great tits that breed in Wytham Woods, near Oxford, UK. "It's only in the past 30 to 35 years that you see this increase in temperature in early spring to which the birds have responded," says study leader Ben Sheldon of the University of Oxford.
Good afternoon fellow Democrats.
Good morning to the other time zones.
Obama \ Clinton 2008
Everyone else knew who you meant. She's probably sticking needles into unsuspecting "patients" right this minute.
Posted by BlueinIdaho on May 13, 2008 at 12:24 PM
heehee, I knew who he meant, also. Taking her time on emptying bed pans, too !
The Republican Convention should be interesting. All of those "Libertarians" who are able to rationalize their wants with the good of the country, whether it's driving a Hummer at 85 mph during a gas crisis or not paying taxes, are going to be there with Ron Paul doing their darndest to make McCain uncomfortable. The Christian Right should also contribute something interesting as should the "swifboaters" who want to dishonor McCain's service or slander him because he won't support their exploitive schemes to extract money from gullible people over the 1970s through 1990s Vietnam POW/MIA issue.
The Republicans are going to self-destruct in the fall. Bush and Rove really did a job on McCain from everything from global warming and the environment to gun control.
anybody watching this C-Span committee meeting, where the Repugs are doing another witch hunt, investigating last August 2007 vote, where they claim the Democrats cheated and cut off the vote when it benefitted them, and not waited for other votes to come in, even though it was past the time! What a waste of our time and money, but after watching Repugs for the years they went after Clinton, the years they were in the majority and cheated every day on obstructing Democrats from fair votes, this is not a surprise.
They are trying to say the Democratic LEADERSHIP, Pelosi and Hoyer told the chairman to cut off the vote ! They are being made to look idiotic !
Haha Pam and Sandy - everytime same lame brain troll like Michelle comes in here, you guys are always on top of it. I've been reading his posts and he' s a super wakco. Keep up the good work in burying these creepy creatures.
I've been reading his posts and he' s a super wakco. Keep up the good work in burying these creepy creatures.
Posted by Kathy_from_Indiana on May 13, 2008 at 12:59 PM
I often wonder if they have any idea how truly sick they are, Kathy ! How spending their time with efforts like this are a sign of a disturbed mind ! Instead of being on a site with like minded people, they choose to go to one where they are in direct opposition to every thought on it!
Posted by puggles on May 13, 2008 at 11:40 AM
That does not surprise me for I worked in Indiana and at a corporate plant meeting, they were discussing the KKK membership in the county. This happened twice and it really upset me. I talked to a counselor, who happened to be there, that this upset me. He promised me that it would be secret and not affect the Plant Manager, who I respected and admired, but I just had to get it off my mind and be over with it. (Much like ranting.) I felt better afterwards until a month later; I was called into the Plant Manager Office and downsized. (It was then the term for being fired.) A week later, the Plant Manager was gone, after doing so much for the company.
Yes, Free Speech has cost me two jobs because I dared to have an American HeArt. That is why, I cannot go back to Corporate America and get a third strike for Free Speech. I rather be broke and live in motels and friends homes to reach deep inside and survive on my words.
The Democratic Party has let some people create this cancer of racial bias, and it is time for all colors of diversity to unite under one banner, "God Bless America" in one human color in all its voices uniting US together as Democrats. Those that use negativity to divide the Party in pure hate can go to where Republicans go. And it is not a pretty place with Blackwater security with red robes and hoods with loud bull horns.
That is why it is paramount for Obama to win, not as a black, not as a man, not even as a Democrat, but a President, who is a human being that has no preset divisions of hate and prejudices, for it is time for America to heal itself from the insanity of hate mongrel pit bull politicians. Is Obama perfect, hell no, he is a politician! But with a "We the people" team to advise him, he can make a real difference, but not as a President Autocrat A**wipe but a "We the people" neighbor of "Made in America" values walking our Main Streets needs with those of the world.
Washington's stinks of its corruption, mostly corporate and their Royal lobbyists. Now they have to face the music of accounting to "We the people" flushing the toilet of the trash and filth of real losers.
*It is strange how Free Speech enriches the mind and bankrupts the bank account.* I must be in overdrafts of going to prison for speaking my mind against Faux news of "Fair and Balanced" in Bush's white reporter Intelligence.
Do not wait for West Virginia, to show the ugly side of racial divisions within the Party, it is time to rally around Obama. Superdelegates, "We the people" have to heal right now, before the rift grows larger into a division of racial colors. Vote True and Blue Democrat!
Jeebus, Blue... now I have to clean my monitor, keyboard AND desk. I didn't need that iced tea, anyway :D
Yahhhh, looks like some real progress made today on Oil ! Could it be that the repubs are sick of hearing from their constituents to quit voting for the Oil companies, and instead vote for them!!
Senate says stop putting oil into US reserves
WASHINGTON - The Senate, in a direct challenge to President Bush, voted Tuesday to temporarily halt the shipment of thousands of barrels of oil a day into the government's emergency reserve.
Earlier, the Senate rejected a broader Republican energy plan that called for opening an Alaska wildlife refuge and some offshore waters to oil development. Supporters of the measure couldn't get the needed 60 votes to overcome a Democratic-led filibuster threat.
Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky said more domestic oil production is needed to keep prices in check and to reduce U.S. dependence on oil imports. "We cannot repeal the law of supply and demand....We need to increase supply in order to lower gas prices," said McConnell.
But opponents said areas such as the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and coastal waters that have been off limits to drilling for 25 years ought to remain that out of bounds to oil companies. The GOP measure, defeated Tuesday by a vote of 56-42, would have allowed coastal states to get a waiver to the offshore drilling ban.
"We can't drill our way to lower prices," said Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080513/ap_on_go_co/congress_energy
Posted by puggles on May 13, 2008 at 11:40 AM
It would appear that the negative internet campaigning about Sen. Obama (D-IL) is resonating with the knuckle-dragging crowd. This has been their first "Swiftboat" salvo. I imagine there are more to come. However, if we stand united, we have the votes to pull this off. We can, once and for all, marginalize the bigots to near non-existence.
We are one generation away from totally completing that, IMHO. The baby boomers are the last impediment to normal race relations in the U.S. as they are the lat generation to experience segregation firsthand. It's just a darn shame there are so many of them.
Crush the bigots. Vote for Barack Obama on 4NOV08.
Posted by TheOriginalHillWilliam on May 13, 2008 at 01:05 PM
Glad I could help. :)
I truely think that Indiana is by far the worst in in the nation when it comes to the KKK. We just had a burning two weeks ago which has terrorized a family. But on the flip side, there has been a massive out pouring from the community for them. They will find these low lives. Theses type of people are so far down in the gene pool, they shouldn't be allowed to vote. Terrible people-just filthly rotten scums.
Gas in northern Indiana has hit an all time high - $3.98/gal. Everytime I fill up I get mad at the billions these oil men are making on the backs of working people. They all should be hung!
Crush the bigots. Vote for Barack Obama on 4NOV08.
Posted by BobVADemHawk-Obama08 on May 13, 2008 at 01:15 PM
From your lips to G'd's ear ...
hey Kath, $4.059 here in Ct. I am sick of the lies of the Mobil Exxons saying they are not the ones, yet they roll in $81 billion dollars in profits !
Posted by Kathy_from_Indiana on May 13, 2008 at 01:26 PM
The Southern Poverty Law Center Hate Map / IN
Also, the next 2 Primaries are WV and KY, so all the crowing about how "well" Hillary did and how "poorly" Obama does with "white working" people is just a way to get around saying KKK on TV.
Here are a few maps showing exactly where the Clinton strengths are. Counties won by Clinton are in red. Counties won by Edwards are in green. Counties won by Obama are in blue.
Now superimpose all this info with the map of Appalachia.
Regardless of the raw vote, this is a delegate race and she needs to win EVERY primary from WV to June 3, from here on by 70% in order to tie Obama (Including undeclared Superdelegates).
It's really kind of funny how we were always told that all these small states were "not important" because they weren't 'BIG states", and so "didn't count".
Now they are the ONLY ones that count.
It's funny when his hubris comes back to bite Mark Penn in the ass.
Shadenfreude, it's the new LBD. He wears it well.
Anybody know how much gas is in Philadelphia? Will I have to sell my retirement to go there to visit the birthplace of Constitutional Poetry and Prose Freedom and Democracy?
In more of Cheney Big Oil Goodwill I might have to have a sign "Will Write Some Poetry - For Some Gas!" A Republican World, where everyone suffers in it, especially Democrats that let it happen, by not doing their Homework.
Republicans are going to have a very hard time running their usual hate swiftboat ads against Obama and it will frustrate them'
They cannot talk on the issues, McCain is their candidate, and their ususal focus on personalitys and destroying the candidate personally won't work.
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