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Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on August 15, 2008 at 05:05 PM well, to start with, why don't they start drilling on the land they already have leased?
The Transalaska pipeline is fully depreciated - paid for.
If they drill in ANWR all they need to do is build a shunt to the pipeline to bring the oil to market - the overhead is much less and the profit margin higher because the additional oil (even over time) will not increase supply enough to bring down prices.
They'll have oil that costs less to bring to market and it will be sold at current (or more likely higher) price.
Oil companies are in business to make money - not energy independence.
So I had a choice, believe you or NPR and I think I will go with NPR.
and Gretchen, ole gal, I have a choice of believing your hearsay, or the link I put in print, so I think I will go with that!!! thanks but no thanks for your opinion!
{{{Dors}}} How are you ? And the wife and kids?
Oil companies are in business to make money - not energy independence.
Posted by dorsano on August 15, 2008 at 07:04 PM
It is going to be very very interesting to see how much of any oil they take out of ANWR, gets to US markets anyways. Right there on the pacific , so close to their Chinese and Indian markets, you really think these Rapist Oil Corporations are going to give the oil to the USA? Not on your life.
Thank God we have Chavez to give discounted oil to poor states like Maine and parts of NYC, etc.
You don;'t see freaken Exxon, Mobil, BP, etc giving out any discounts while raking in $101 Billion dollars in profit !!!
WTF are Liberman and Graham doing in Georgia? To try and make any deals look like McCain's doing??????
Just imagine if Obama had sent 2 guys there ! McSame and The Right Wing press would be all over him!
please advance this video. The DNC should run this ad in all 50 states
Oil companies are in business to make money - not energy independence.
Posted by dorsano
dorsano, how is it you feel as if you made a profound statement by saying the oil companies are in business to make money? DUH?
All companies are in business to make money. Otherwise their couldn't sell their stock to anyone and would cease to exist. And don't forget that over 70% of oil stock is owned either outright or through mutual funds by average American citizens as part of their retirement funds.
Wouldn't be much of a retirement nest egg if they invested in companies that didn't make money..
Again, I repeat... DUH!!!
and Gretchen, ole gal, I have a choice of believing your hearsay, or the link I put in print, so I think I will go with that!!! thanks but no thanks for your opinion!
Posted by PamB
Pam, I'm not old. Are you? I am in my early 40s. How about you Pam old gal?
If you would have been listening to National Public Radio you would have heard them say it too. Hard to post a link to a radio report but you know that - right? As far as you posting "facts" with links it comes down to what source you link to for the validity of those "facts".
Russian newspapers print "facts" too.
Hi Pam.
Just a quick 'hit and run' as I am STILL at work! What a week! Anyway, I hope that you are doing well. How's that g'baby?
I'm getting a kick out of the Olympics and the contenders from the other countries giving each other high 5s, chest bumping, thumping their hearts, etc.
all things they picked up from USA !
Posted by GretchenDem on August 15, 2008 at 07:20 PM how is it you feel as if you made a profound statement
I never feel profound so it seems we can agree on that at least.
hmmmmm, this is one reason simple easily led people who go on NPR might mistake the fact that it was GEORGIA that invaded Russia first. the media is going right along with the lies, just like they did back in 2003 when Bush said there were WMDs in Iraq!!! Press still afraid of calling Bush a liar!!!
As part of an all-out Western media campaign to bury the simple fact that Georgia invaded South Ossetia a week ago -- an act of aggression which led, subsequently, to Russia’s response -- Thursday’s NYT’s top headline helps to further instill the lie, at home and abroad, that Bush and the U.S government are truly concerned about the welfare of Georgians and human beings generally.
American and international readers are spoon-fed their daily dose of sanctioned thought within the very first sentence of the article. Bush, and by extension, the U.S. government and its military are not in Georgia to further U.S. (or the global elite’s) geopolitical interests.
Don‘t you dare think such a forbidden thought, the NYT goads its readers (of whom, on the whole, it can be said could do with a fair bit of goading to wake them from their psyop slumber).
Bush, the U.S. government and its military -- who, lest we forget, are guilty of murdering more than a million Iraqi civilians by way of their very own and very indisputable act of overt aggression, to say nothing of atrocities in Afghanistan or the ceaseless drumbeat toward a prefabricated war with Iran -- are in Georgia on a “humanitarian mission”.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20523.htm
hmmmm, and the little gretchen troll WONDERS why I made the Hussein remark to him?
About as Democratic as dead Ronald Reagan!
Posted by PamB on August 15, 2008 at 07:13 PM {{{Dors}}} How are you ? And the wife and kids?
Pretty good - the oldest and her husband were up for awhile from IN - I'll meet up with them in October to go grouse hunting and maybe do some fishing.
The 2nd oldest and his wife love Vancouver - we'll see them at XMAS.
The last 2 will be back in college in 2 weeks - we're having a "back to college party" tomorrow with their friends and ours.
Everyone's healthy in an age appropriate fashion.
Hope all is well with you.
geeeeee, Patrick Buchanan, right Wing Extrordinaire, must not listen to NPR!!!!!
Blowback From Bear-Baiting
By Patrick J. Buchanan
15/08/08 "ICH " -- - Mikheil Saakashvili's decision to use the opening of the Olympic Games to cover Georgia's invasion of its breakaway province of South Ossetia must rank in stupidity with Gamal Abdel-Nasser's decision to close the Straits of Tiran to Israeli ships.
Nasser's blunder cost him the Sinai in the Six-Day War. Saakashvili's blunder probably means permanent loss of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
After shelling and attacking what he claims is his own country, killing scores of his own Ossetian citizens and sending tens of thousands fleeing into Russia, Saakashvili's army was whipped back into Georgia in 48 hours.
Yet Another piece that says Gretchen is WRONG!!!!!
Commonsense and the Russo-Georgian War
By Timothy V. Gatto
15/08/08 "ICH" --- Let me start this article with a supposition. How long do you think it would take Russia to conquer Georgia if that were their intent? I believe that if the war started at say midnight, than the next midnight, Georgia would cease to exist. They might last a little longer if it was a spur of the moment decision, but if Russia was earnestly trying to take over little Georgia, it would have already been a done deal.
Now for all of you Americans that get your news from the American media, you don’t have a clue to what’s really going on. I’ve decided to tell you what I know from what people on the ground are writing. Before you get into that though, let me say that the Bushmaster and his little statement that he will not allow the Georgians to be defeated, is a little like the Captain of the Titanic saying he won’t let his ship go down. He doesn’t have a chance in hell of altering the circumstances. Especially when NATO doesn’t want to get involved and we are fighting a two-front war in the Middle-East
Posted by PamB on August 15, 2008 at 07:48 PM hmmmm, and the little gretchen troll WONDERS why I made the Hussein remark to him?
Hey!!! She thinks I'm profound - there aren't too many people that do - let me enjoy in 10 minutes of fame.
15/08/08 "ICH" -- - The success of the Bush Regime’s propaganda, lies, and deception with gullible and inattentive Americans since 9/11 has made it difficult for intelligent, aware people to be optimistic about the future of the United States. For almost 8 years the US media has served as Ministry of Propaganda for a war criminal regime. Americans incapable of thinking for themselves, reading between the lines, or accessing foreign media on the Internet have been brainwashed.
As the Nazi propagandist, Joseph Goebbels, said, it is easy to deceive a people. You just tell them they have been attacked and wave the flag.
It certainly worked with Americans, like those named Gretchen Dem.
What we do know is that all this murder and destruction has no justification and is evil. It is the work of evil men who have no qualms about lying and deceiving in order to kill innocent people to achieve their undeclared agenda.
That such evil people have control over the United States government and media damns the American public for eternity.
America will never recover from the shame and dishonor heaped upon her by the neoconned Bush Regime.
Everyone's healthy in an age appropriate fashion.
Hope all is well with you.
Posted by dorsano on August 15, 2008 at 07:49 PM
glad to hear it, my friend!
yes, we are all very well, too
Geee, isn't it funny how the trolls just drift away, when they can no longer dispute FACTS???
especially the little fat one in tucson !!
Posted by GretchenDem on August 15, 2008 at 07:20 PM All companies are in business to make money.
I'm glad you told me that - I'll let my employees know.
Otherwise their couldn't sell their stock to anyone and would cease to exist.
You're joking, right?
And don't forget that over 70% of oil stock is owned either outright or through mutual funds by average American citizens as part of their retirement funds.
Fortunately, I haven't had to borrow on my 401K to pay medical bills or credit card bills and I certainly won't forget the 30% of my assets that are invested in natural resources.
But thanks for the advice - do I owe you anything?
Pam.
This entire Georgian incident smells to high heaven. I have been following it in Pravda.com. They had it right from the start saying that the Georgians were committing genocide.
Now we have the neocons allowing rove, graham, liverlips and mccain to run wild implying that are in charge. They obviously set up the whole affair, arming the Georgians, training the Georgians with 1,000 marines, stationing 300 advisors in Georgia, equipping their army and sending their 1,000 troops home to correspond with
the Russian incursion. bush and cheney are truly insane and arrogant.
Then to top it all off, Poland signed up for the missile system. What utter gall on the part of bush and cheney.
I can see why Russia is furious with bush and cheney. I know he hates rice.
Just keep tweeking Putin's nose bush and they will kick your ass. The only problem here is that the American people will suffer.
Pam.
This entire Georgian incident smells to high heaven. I have been following it in Pravda.com. They had it right from the start saying that the Georgians were committing genocide.
Now we have the neocons allowing rove, graham, liverlips and mccain to run wild implying that are in charge. They obviously set up the whole affair, arming the Georgians, training the Georgians with 1,000 marines, stationing 300 advisors in Georgia, equipping their army and sending their 1,000 troops home to correspond with
the Russian incursion. bush and cheney are truly insane and arrogant.
Then to top it all off, Poland signed up for the missile system. What utter gall on the part of bush and cheney.
I can see why Russia is furious with bush and cheney. I know he hates rice.
Just keep tweeking Putin's nose bush and they will kick your ass. The only problem here is that the American people will suffer.
Sorry for the double post, our satellite just went down for a minute.
America will never recover from the shame and dishonor heaped upon her by the neoconned Bush Regime.
Posted by PamB on August 15, 2008 at 07:57 PM
Right on Pam!
Do mccain, graham and liverlips really want to work with these criminal liars. KKKarl's fingerprints are all over this atrocity.
georgia killed 2,000 of their own citizens in this ruse. Oh well, collateral damage is to be expected. Don't forget to bomb Iran cheney.
Georgian television lied saying that the ruins of the South Ossetian capital, Tskhinvali was the Georgian town of Gori, which they say Russian bombed.
The channel simply used the footage of Tskhinvali, which was literally ruined as a result of Georgia’s attacks, to make reports about the situation in the town of Gori, which the Russian aviation supposedly bombed.
Pravda.ru journalists concluded that the footage of destruction, fires and crying civilians used by Sky News in its Gori report was identical to the footage aired by Russian TV channel Zvezda (Star) when it reported about Tskhinvali.
Georgian authorities and Western media outlets previously said that the Russian aviation had bombed Gori, which led to numerous casualties. Russia strongly rejected those statements.
The footage aired by the British TV channel was preceded with a picture of a road sign displaying the name of the town – Gori – written in Georgian and English languages. The report also said that a Sky News correspondent was reporting from the Georgian town.
However, the footage that followed the picture of the road sign was fake.
Russia ’s TV channel Zvezda, which has five camera crews working in Tskhinvali, aired the same footage two days before, on Monday. Sky News showed its report with no sound, whereas the people showed in the Russian report could be heard speaking Russian and Ossetian languages. The crying people shown in the report were heard cursing Georgian President Saakashvili for destructions and manslaughter.
I become enraged every damn time bush and cheney commit another atrocity on this planet.
Why oh why doesn't someone do something about these criminals? I don't think I can stand another six months of this crap. Then the thought of the treasonous bastard mccain winnint the presidency
sends me over the edge.
But thanks for the advice - do I owe you anything?
Posted by dorsano on August 15, 2008 at 08:09 PM
No, that was on the house. But as a business person I am rather surprised you are taking a stance against oil companies for making a profit. Their profit margin today is the same as it was 5, 10, 15, 20 years ago. Back then when oil was at the bottom, something like $18/bbl they were losing money. Today when oil is high (do primarily to speculation) they are indeed making record profits. So you expect them to give some back? Are they allowed to first reimburse themselves first for their losses in those bad times in the past?
If you feel oil companied make too much money, would you also extend your desire to take money away from a successful corporation to other companies who have made high profits as well? What's the cut-off for what's fair as applied to any company?
Fair is fair and in a free country any rule should be applied evenly across the board.
Why can't the FBI arrest bush, cheney, mccain, liverlips and graham and slap them in prison. Hold them until we can put together the case then send them to the Hague to be tried for war crimes, crimes against peace and crimes against humanity.
It is abundantly clear that these people are guilty.
Charge them with attacking Afghanistan.
Charge them with attacking Lebanon using Israel as a stooge.
Charge them with attacking Iraq.
Charge them with attacking Russia.
Near as I can tell these bastards have caused the death of over 1,000,000 innocent citizens of Afghanistan, Lebanon, Iraq and Russia.
These people are as bad as Stalin and Hitler put together.
DO IT DAMN IT!
Posted by PamB on August 15, 2008 at 08:05 PM Geee, isn't it funny how the trolls just drift away, when they can no longer dispute FACTS?
Perception is a significant part of reality unfortunately - and misperception is always a liability
whether it's the misperception a young couple has about a mortgage broker, a misperception a 62 year-old retiree has about an investment broker,
a misperception a neighbor of Russia has about John McCain's JFK-like Cold War rhetoric (that JFK himself cast aside before he died)
a misperception someone has about the people he or she shares the country with (not to mention his or her misperceptions of all the others we share the planet with).
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By the way, Gretchen - do misinterpret what I say as being "profound" - in the Midwest, we call it "common sense" - we teach it to our children - we help each other acquire it
and we don't charge or take tips.
If we don't arrest them now they will flee to Paraguay or Dubai and we probably have no extradition treaty with these countries.
There is no statute of limitations for atrocities (premeditated murder).
Posted by GretchenDem on August 15, 2008 at 08:49 PM But as a business person I am rather surprised you are taking a stance against oil companies for making a profit.
I don't recall taking a stance. Can you point out where I did? A question was asked about why oil companies wanted to drill in ANWR when they had so many other locations already under lease.
I explained why. Seemed like the right thing to do at the time.
The market is amoral (and it seems we both agree on that fact)
Some people in our country believe that there should be NO government interference in the marketplace - that it leads to ineffiencies in the market place.
some people in our country think that if we're going to have a government, we may as well try to figure out together how best to mitigate some of the amorality in the marketplace without destroying the effiencies.
and there are of course many positions in between
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I don't recall making a statement about any of the positions
so it seems there are some mis-perceptions at work.
Well hell, thats even better! We can reduce our trade deficit with India and China and increase the worlds supply of oil all the while driving down the price. Holy crap! Its a win win situation! What a great idea Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo. You know us stupid neocons could never think of a great plan like that. You dems are so damn smart! And I thought I was going to have to shove a fucking windmill up the tail pipe of my car to make it go again.
www.chstuart.com
Posted by CHStuart on August 15, 2008 at 09:48 PM And I thought I was going to have to shove a fucking windmill up the tail pipe of my car to make it go again.
A tail pipe is used to expel waste and direct it away from the drivers and passengers into the atmosphere - sort of like a toilette.
If you're going to use a windmill to power your car, you should figure out a way to feed the power to the engine instead.
There haven't been any neo cons in the Bush administration for about 4 years now.
There haven't been any neo cons in the Bush administration for about 4 years now.
Ok, Sally "ASS-trick" the whole windmill thing was sarcasm.
There haven't been any neo cons in the Bush administration for about 4 years now.
Right...
And we will be greated by the Iraq's as liberators.
And the tax cuts for the top 1% will pay for themselves.
And anyone involved in the Plame outing will be fired.
And we KNOW there are WMD's in Iraq and we know where they are.
And..., well, you get the picture.
Posted by Sally-* on August 15, 2008 at 10:02 PM There haven't been any neo cons in the Bush administration for about 4 years now.
Surprised you're still here wrestling with the blog.
Gates is a welcome addition to this administration - I wish he had come on sooner.
McCain foreign policy adviser paid to lobby on Georgia's behalf
WASHINGTON - John McCain's chief foreign policy adviser and the adviser's business partner lobbied the senator or his staff on 49 occasions in a 3 1/2 -year span while being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by the government of the former Soviet republic of Georgia.
Scheunemann is part of the community of neoconservatives who relentlessly pushed for war in Iraq.
There haven't been any neo cons in the Bush administration for about 4 years now.
the old numb ones, has forgotten Cheney and of course Rice are still there.
Still very active in politics in general are Wolfowitz, Bolton, Rumsfeld, Perle,and Poppy Bush all PNAC members. And of course, the closet one, Lieberman.
Mostly all men who make up for small genitals with trying to use aggression instead of compromise, negotiation, intelligence!
Night Dems. Blog ya tomorrow.
It's sad how the bush mentality has impacted many of his supporters. They are "all in" on the "dead or alive" syndrome. Your either "with us or against us". So you either have to support the oil companies making record profits, or you are against them making any profit at all. Its as if the whole world has turned into a black and white Calvin and Hobbes cartoon.
How about if the oil companies made less profits and we stopped giving them tax breaks while average Americans have trouble affording gas to get to work.
Posted by CHStuart on August 15, 2008 at 10:07 PM Ok, Sally the whole windmill thing was sarcasm.
It's easy to get signals crossed on the blog - and I suspect that I am misunderstanding what you are posting - but I would like to make it plain that I am not Sally.
She would be offended by that remark.
The real answer to the eliminate the Enron Loophole established by Phil Gramm (who does not speak for the McCain campaign any more (or less).
Geee, isn't it funny how the trolls just drift away, when they can no longer dispute FACTS???
Posted by PamB on August 15, 2008 at 08:05 PM
The small of mind are more of feet when faced with fact in legion.
(whatever that means)
John McCain,
Great American hero
(except to the wounded vets, our people still stuck in Iraq, his fist wife, and anyone else who cares about the future of this country).
As Wes Clark correctly stated, getting yourself shot down does not qualify you for the office of president.
we help each other acquire itand we don't charge or take tips.
Posted by dorsano on August 15, 2008 at 08:58 PM
Spoken like someone who knows the American definition of freedom, regardless of the crap that conservatives having been trying to pass off as freedom for thirty years.
War hero, hump!
mcrat is a hero to chicken hawks.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA
With regard to John McCain, the Obama camp needs to start using the word "CONFUSED". It will lead to the promised land.
he opinion piece in the online version of the Los Angeles Times (2008.08.12) is a clear and classic example of the type of material western readers are being bombarded with in what appears to be an orchestrated campaign of disinformation to shape public opinion against Russia. As was the case in Iraq, the Western public is being duped by what amounts to a perverse act of manipulation... and is guzzling the bait hook, line and sinker.
More...................
Chicago,
Did you hear the one the other day played by Stephanie Miller.
Mclame was asked a question at a rally and he mumbled and fretted and hemmed and hawed and finally asked what was the question.
CONFUSED is the key word.
Posted by Johne on August 15, 2008 at 11:07 PM
You know the MSM is trying to make this a close race if they attack like they did against Clark. Clark was absolutely right and he has the credentials to make the statements he made. McCain got shot down. That does not make him presidential material.
McCain: Graduated fifth from the bottom of his Annapolis class
McCain: No academic honors, no advanced degrees
McCain: Awarded a group of medals given to all Vietnam P.O.W.s
McCain commands: squadron commander of training squadron for one year
I can attest to how age affects ones mind. I am mclame's age and my mind is nowhere near as clear as it was when I was in my early twenties.
I open my old college textbooks and wonder how the hell I did that math problem.
I try to keep my mind sharp by doing crossword puzzles.
Mclame is too damn old to be president. He might make a good doorman or elevator operator. I mean no disrespect to doormen or elevator operators.
Posted by GregL on August 15, 2008 at 11:02 PM
Hey, GregL - nice to catch you - thanks for the shout out.
I fully expect you to convince Texans that it's in their best interest this go around to stop, listen, and give everyone running a good, fair hearing.
Sounds Texan to me - but I live in the North country - and we don't get out much.
For consideration:
How did the media handle the swiftboaters when they attacked Kerry.
How differently they treated Clark.
Some people in our country believe that there should be NO government interference in the marketplace - that it leads to ineffiencies in the market place.
Those would be the same people who like to equate corporations with people, I assume. Unfortunately for them, corporations are more like governments, except without the responsibilities that governments are supposed to have, like protecting and empowering their citizens.
some people in our country think that if we're going to have a government, we may as well try to figure out together how best to mitigate some of the amorality in the marketplace without destroying the effiencies.
That would be the people who realize that the job of the government is to make sure nothing harms the citizens.
and there are of course many positions in between
Not really, just variations on how best to accomplish either the total destruction of life as we know it, or to advance and expand the cause of real freedom. Well, I guess you could add those who try to work for a compromise between the forces of fascism and the true patriots of the progressive movement, but then, they are slowly being turned into conservative thugs because some silly ass party keeps thinking that moving to the right wins elections, even though they lose more and more every time.
I don't recall making a statement about any of the positionsso it seems there are some mis-perceptions at work.
Posted by dorsano on August 15, 2008 at 09:09 PM
What else would you expect from a conservative?
Btw, GretchenDumb, other corporations that have greater profits than the energy companies are:
1. not part of the infrastructure of this country.
2. not being subsidized by our tax dollars. So no, the oil companies can NOT take back what they "lost"during those years, as it was already given back to them by US. And yes, I expect them to pay back more. They USE more of our infrastructure, their tankers are protected by OUR Navy, their pipelines and oil rigs are on OUR land, their trucks run on OUR roads. I expect people to pay their fair share, I expect them to clean up after themselves if there is an accident, I expect them to do EVERYTHING in their power to AVOID accidents in the first place. And if they WON'T do it on their own, then I EXPECT our government to do their job of protecting me and rein them in. This country isn't about some bullshit idea of individualism, it's about COMMUNITY. It's about the freedom that BEGAN, but didn't END, with these words:
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
The common wealth helps ensure that the government has the ability to do these things, that it can provide the infrastructure we need to lead happy and fulfilled lives, or at least have the opportunity to do so. The common wealth comes FROM the people, to be used FOR the people. And those that use the infrastructure most to become most prosperous, have a DUTY to provide more to the common wealth. SO DUH to you, GretchenTroll...of course we expect them to pay more. Sheesh.
Posted by Johne on August 15, 2008 at 11:22 PM
John,
yes, we are all getting older. The job of president is hard. You have to be sharp. Look how the presidents age in the job. It is stressful and challenging. Watch McCain when he is making campaign speeches. He has to be reading from his notes constantly. We cannot afford ANOTHER Commander-in-Chief who is befuddled. We need one who is sharp.
Posted by dorsano on August 15, 2008 at 11:30 PM
I'm trying, dors, but I can't even get my wife to listen to me most of the time.
bbl, watching the O'LimpDicks
Posted by GregL on August 15, 2008 at 11:37 PM
I'm impressed.
well said.
the old numb ones, has forgotten Cheney and of course Rice are still there.
Still very active in politics in general are Wolfowitz, Bolton, Rumsfeld, Perle,and Poppy Bush all PNAC members. And of course, the closet one, Lieberman.
Mostly all men who make up for small genitals with trying to use aggression instead of compromise, negotiation, intelligence!
Night Dems. Blog ya tomorrow.
Posted by PamB on August 15, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Well, Old Squirrel Faced One, It is obvious that you don't even know what a NeoCon is so I will tell you. A Neo Con in a conservative that used to be a liberal. Cheney does not fit that description because he has never been a Liberal Bolton, Rumsefeld and poppy bush were never liberals either.
I don't know what Ms Rice's politics are, she could be a Democrat as far as anyone knows.
The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth told the truth about Kerry or he would have sued, the same is true about the current book "Abomanation". Obama won't sue because the book is true. He will call it lies and racism but he won't sue because he cannot.
Obama always hides behind racism when folks are being mean to him.
To Swift Boat someone is to tell the embarrassing truth about them.
Posted by GregL on August 15, 2008 at 11:41 PM I'm trying, dors, but I can't even get my wife to listen to me most of the time.
Sorry, not a good excuse - what you're describing is not a "red state", "blue state" "purple state", "green state", "polka dot state" thing -
it's just the way things are - sort of like gravity - and the birds and bees - and the taste of a good wine - and why the fishing opener is so popular in MN - and all the lovely contradictions in between.
Main Entry: neo·con·ser·va·tive
Pronunciation: \ˌnē-ō-kən-ˈsər-və-tiv\
Function: noun
Date: 1952
1 : a former liberal espousing political conservatism
2 : a conservative who advocates the assertive promotion of democracy and United States national interest in international affairs including through military means
So who doesn't know what a neocon is???
This is really disgusting - California is trying very hard to become a 3rd workd state.
Stores Forced to Provide Party Rooms for Illegal Aliens
The reconquistadors running Los Angeles have decreed that big-box home-improvement stores — which in theory are owned not by authoritarian bureaucrats but by private citizens — will soon be required to build special shelters for illegal aliens.
The shelters must be easily accessible and include drinking water, bathrooms, tables, seating and trashcans. The stores may be required to work with Los Angeles police in developing a security plan, according to the unanimous vote by the 15-member lawmaking body.
What, nothing about refrigerators stocked with free cerveza?
Needless to say, the security plan will not entail enforcing immigration laws. Los Angeles is a sanctuary city that openly flips the bird to the DHS, ICE, etc. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa is an anti-gringo fanatic who used to head a local chapter of MEChA, a group devoted to driving all non-Hispanics out of the Southwestern third of the United States.
Although unacknowledged by bureaucrats and the media, the Mexican-American War is being refought. This time, we're losing — thanks entirely to moonbattery.
Posted by Sally-* on August 16, 2008 at 12:01 AM
Stop trying to sell your confused opinion as fact.
The swift boaters where a bunch of liars. All non-idiots know that.
Posted by Sally-* on August 16, 2008 at 12:01 AM Obama won't sue because the book is true.
Obama won't sue because no one is going to read this book except you (sort of - you'll buy it maybe, or steal parts posted of some blog) - and you'll cut and paste excerpts and post them here - and we'll ignore them - and so will the rest of the country
Are you going to take this grudge or what ever it is to the grave, Sally?
Give it up.
You're welcome here anytime - just let go of whatever it is that's disfiguring you.
To Swift Boat someone is to tell the embarrassing truth about them.
Posted by Sally-* on August 16, 2008 at 12:03 AM
Wrong again Bush-brain.
Swiftboating is American political jargon that is used as a strong pejorative description of some kind of attack that the speaker considers unfair or untrue—for example, an ad hominem attack or a smear campaign.
ne·o·con·serv·a·tism Audio Help /ˌnioʊkənˈsɜrvəˌtɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[nee-oh-kuhn-sur-vuh-tiz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
moderate political conservatism espoused or advocated by former liberals or socialists.
Are you going to take this grudge or what ever it is to the grave, Sally?
Give it up.
You're welcome here anytime - just let go of whatever it is that's disfiguring you.
Posted by dorsano on August 16, 2008 at 12:15 AM
Oh, I see how it goes now; Liberals think opposing political views are grudges.
So let's talk about McCain. Does everyone realize he cheated on his wife who waited for him all those years. Does everone understand that she was in a car accident. So he cheated on her and their children to marry a much younger heiress? So much for "family values".
McCain is a pig. A vote for him is a mistake.
Posted by Sally-* on August 16, 2008 at 12:20 AM Oh, I see how it goes now; Liberals think opposing political views are grudges.
Did you express a political view? Sorry, I missed it.
I accept and rejoice and love the diversity of political views in our country even though I don't agree with some of them - I've got them all in my family - I'm Catholic and I have a big family through many generations.
But you're not expressing political views.
What's next, Sally?
Posted by Sally-* on August 16, 2008 at 12:18 AM
Sally,
Are you so stupid that you do not understand words have duplicate meanings? In the dictionary they list them by number...1 and 2. See definition 2.
Yes, one definition is the one you are pretending is the only one. But there is a second definition which you are obviously unaware of.
What a bush-brain.
Oh, I see how it goes now; Liberals think opposing political views are grudges.
Posted by Sally-* on August 16, 2008 at 12:20 AM
No. Only those that have no basis in fact, supported only by flawed, extremely skewed political opinions. When you stick arguments without being able to support them in reality, well then, yes, that is a grudge. Common among die-hard republicans these days. These are the 25% that still support the policies of Bush.
Posted by Chicago on August 16, 2008 at 12:32 AM
I have never heard your definition before and it does not come up in any of the dictionaries I use on line.
You probably made it up.
The poor old man is CONFUSED, that's it. Not stupid, a shell, a warmonger, confused says it all. He is senile or confused - I like it.
Wes Clark for VP. His didn't vote for the war, has military creds (better than McShame), we won't be loosing a senate or house seat, and sorry but is great looking to boot. I was for Biden untill I learned that he voted for the war. Clark is the best - hope O picks him.
I have never heard your definition before and it does not come up in any of the dictionaries I use on line.You probably made it up.
Posted by Sally-* on August 16, 2008 at 12:40 AM
wrong again Bush-brain. You just need to stop going only to those neocon, nut-job right-wing sites.
Posted by newsjunkie on August 16, 2008 at 12:52 AM
Unfortunately, Obama sort of threw Clark under the bus. However, if Obama did pick him as the VP, it would bring up this whole question again. Perhaps Obama was shelving the issue until closer to the election. Picking Clark would bring it up again. We could have the media discussing McCain's lack of executive experience. Maybe they would look into why his nickname in the POW camp was "songbird". Maybe they could look at his military career (5 crashed planes), 5th from bottom of his class.
Ok. Let's go with Clark.
Fine, Sally, die as you wish you wish - we all deserve that.
I need to log. Sweet dreams.
I am out of here as well.
It's been nice blogging with y'all again.
G'night.
Posted by PamB on August 15, 2008 at 07:13 PM
Whats your infatuation with that Monkey faced little turd? A person could think you have the hots for him.
especially the little fat one in tucson !!
Posted by PamB on August 15, 2008 at 08:05 PM
Are you referrring to Mr.cactus?, in fact old sqirrelfaced one, he is sitting next to me sipping on a cold beer, and is "flipping you off" as we read your moronic rants.
I have never heard your definition before and it does not come up in any of the dictionaries I use on line.
You probably made it up.
Posted by Sally-* on August 16, 2008 at 12:40 AM
wrong again Bush-brain. You just need to stop going only to those neocon, nut-job right-wing sites.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiftboating
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=swiftboating
Posted by Chicago on August 16, 2008 at 01:01 AM
Just as I thought, you are full of crap. No reference to your disputed definition of "Neo Con"
Just some bogus sources for Swiftboating.
Making up dictionary definitions is a federal felony punishable by castratiopn!
And castratiopn is worse than castration cause they do it with a vegematic!
Just a little bit to argue with here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKFKGrmsBDk
Posted by Sally-* on August 16, 2008 at 04:42 AM
Well said
I see the old squirrel faced one continues to stick up for the communists be they Hugo Chavez or Vlad (the impaler) Putin.
Where are all those Edwards supporters now that he has been caught boinkin that mousey looking broad while his wife was dying of cancer?
I believe the squirrelfaced one´s obsession with the Monkeyfaced one is based on the liberal/progressives´s obsession with the THEORY of Evolution.
Where are all of you that were campaigning for Edwards to be Attorney General in a Hussein Obama administration?
Hell, all he did was screw a mousy looking broad and knock her up whilst his wife was dying of cancer.
Geez, give him a break - at least he isn't a homo as many of us suspected.
What happened to that Dem Governor of NJ who said in his resignation speach, "I am a c***sucker American"
Maybe he said gay American, but gay American means c***sucker American because that is what they do in addition to other perversions. Just ask greggy.
If anybody comes onto this blog for the first time, and look carefully the posts from The Adams family(reg 8), they are going to notice that the Adams family spend 90% of the time bashing anything that even looks conservative and looking for ways and reasons to bash. Thats real constructive.
But in Senator Edwards favor, his wife will be dead soon and then he can freely screw all of the mousy looking broads he wants.
Hopefully, for his sake, I hope he has learned his lesson about believing bimbos about being on birth control when they are only trying to get knocked up by a rich guy.
Edwards sure turned out to be a major fool.
And to think the Democrats chose him to be Vice President of the United States.
I know Edwards was Esmerelda's first choice.
But she is not concerned about women getting knocked up by absentee fathers who really don't give a crap.
I suspect the mousy looking broad will give the child up for adoption to some faggot or dyke couple to raise.
Edwards should have practiced safe sex.
Then he wouldn't look like a total idiot as he now does by anyones standards except Pammy's.
Obama's Special Interests By Michael Reagan FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, July 21, 2008
Barack Obama is given to calling the GOP a party captive of hateful special interests.It takes a lot of what my Jewish friends call “chutzpah” to suggest that unnamed special interests control the Republican Party when his own party is totally captive to the most wealthy and powerful special interests in the nation.
Obama and the national Democratic Party is owned lock, stock and barrel by the teachers’ unions, the bosses of big labor, cash-heavy, tree-hugging environmental groups, and Planned Parenthood and its allies in the sleazy abortion industry.
And boy, do Obama and his fellow Democrats dance to their tunes! When they say “waltz,” in a second he’s out there on the political stage whirling obediently to their three-step beat.
In February 2008, Obama spoke to reporters from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel saying, “Let’s see if this [school voucher] experiment works, and then if it does, whatever my preconception, you do what’s best for kids.”
He danced a different waltz on Saturday, July 12, when he told the American Federation of Teachers (which, with the National Education Association, owns the Democratic Party) that like them he was opposed to vouchers, and when his campaign was asked about his newest stand on the issue, it released a statement saying, “Senator Obama has always been a critic of vouchers.”
Oh?
Said Catholic League president Bill Donohue: “Guess Obama couldn’t resist pandering to the teachers union. It’s so easy to tell the media that keeping an open mind on school vouchers is the best way to go. But when cash counts -- and the American Federation of Teachers has plenty of it -- who cares about principle? Fact is, no amount of empirical evidence was ever going to change his mind.”
Then there’s the matter of the current crisis in oil prices. One patently obvious answer to the problem of relaxing our dependence on foreign oil supplies is to exploit the massive oceans of oil waiting patiently to be found here at home and in the waters offshore, and in Alaska.
It’s just plain common sense that when you have enough oil beneath the surface in your own backyard to meet your needs just about forever you should start getting hold of it and stop paying tens of billions to foreign nations who have us by the short hairs.
Any five-year-old with enough sense to come in out of the rain would understand that given the vast supplies of oil available to us here at home it is just plain idiocy to keep ourselves utterly reliant on foreign sources of the stuff.
Mr. Obama and his fellow Democrats don’t see it that way. They’re not allowed to. Their elitist lords and masters in the environmental movement won’t permit it, and should they defy the tree huggers they’d lose all those lovely dollars the greenies keep shoveling into their coffers and those of their candidates running for re-election to Congress.
So they fall back on the old canard that even if we started drilling here it would take years for the United States to see any results, ignoring the fact that by telling all those Arab potentates and the Marxist dictator in Venezuela that the gravy train is going to come to a grinding halt in the near future, we’re warning them that if they don’t increase supply now we’ll stop buying from them as soon as we can.
Republicans are demanding that the Democrat-controlled Congress approve drilling here at home now. The environmentalist lobby -- which hates automobiles and fossil fuels almost as much as they hate people -- owns Barack Obama and his Democratic Party, and they say “no drilling.” Barack Obama and the Democratic Party obey.
Then there’s big labor, which is running short on members whose compulsory dues they use to finance Democratic candidates. They want an end to secret balloting in certain labor elections, and Obama bends his knee and pledges to do big labor’s bidding, and to heck with workers’ rights.
Then there’s the abortion industry. When they say killing the unborn is just dandy, Obama agrees. And the big bucks from the multi-billion dollar baby-killing industry flow into his coffers.
He knows who his bosses are.
Jimmy Carter: National Embarrassment By Michael Reagan FrontPageMagazine.com | Wednesday, April 30, 2008Talk about bad pennies always turning up; Jimmy Carter’s at it again.
It would be easy to blame the 83-year-old former one-term president’s frequent excursions into irrational behavior on senility were it not for the fact that he appears to have been senile most of his public life.
Any recitation of his frequent excursions into his personal Land of Oz where the good guys are bad and the bad guys are good sounds like a litany of Carter-esque fantasies. His onetime White House Chief of Staff, Hamilton Jordan, once spoke about what he called Carter’s “weirdness factor.”
If he hadn’t just happened to be the leader of the most powerful nation on the face of the earth and the sole bulwark against the expansion of Soviet tyranny, his weirdness wouldn’t matter in the scheme of things, but he was, and much of what he did -- and continues to do today --brought disastrous results for his nation and the world.
No one should be surprised at his recent hobnobbing with the terrorist leaders of Hamas. During his four years in the White House he showed a unique ability to reward the enemies of human freedom while punishing some of America’s strongest supporters.
Anyone shocked by Iran’s troublemaking, including training and arming the terrorists killing American troops in Iraq, can thank Brother Carter for conspiring to drive out the Shah, a fervent supporter of the United States, and seeing him replaced by the mullahs who repaid his kindness by taking nearly 70 Americans hostage and holding most of them for an astounding 444 days.
He withdrew U.S. support and the Shah was toppled, more than 20,000 pro-Western Iranians were killed, women were sent back into servitude and citizens were arrested merely for owning satellite dishes that could tune to Western programs. And, of course, American diplomats were taken hostage.
This is the same James Earl Carter whose feeble attempt to rescue the hostages turned into a deadly farce in the Iranian wastelands. The same Jimmy Carter whose presidency saw long lines at the gas pump, the same Jimmy Carter who gave away the Panama Canal thus enabling China’s Hutchison Whampoa to eventually control both ends of Theodore Roosevelt’s “big ditch.”
One of his legacies is one Robert Mugabe, the homicidal dictator of Zimbabwe now brutally suppressing his rivals who apparently won in an election to replace him. Under Mugabe the formerly prosperous Rhodesia now suffers famine, the white farmers whose abundant crops once fed the nation have been were killed or driven from their land, and so-called enemies of the regime butchered in waves of mass murder.
This is the Robert Mugabe who Jimmy Carter hosted at the White House in 1980, proclaiming that he had watched happily as Mugabe emerged victorious in his election campaign for the presidency. He pledged to use similar tactics in his own reelection campaign.
On his own, Carter went to North Korea and struck a deal on nuclear arms with dictator Kim Jung Il to which the Clinton administration acquiesced. North Korea then secretly violated the deal and went on to build the nuclear weapons that threaten world peace.
Since leaving the White House, Carter has embraced the likes of Fidel Castro and Venezuela’s communist dictator, the virulently anti-American Hugo Chavez, putting his stamp of approval on the rigged election that kept him in power.
Carter’s obvious antipathy toward Israel and his chumminess with Palestinian militants puts him squarely on the side of the Palestinian militants. In his book “Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid,” Carter claims Israel has been the principal obstacle to peace, charging that Arab leaders have long sought peace while Israel insists on keeping what he calls "Palestinian land" over achieving peace. He says that there would be peace if only Israel would "[withdraw] to the 1967 border as specified in the U.N. Resolution 242..."
Senile, or just incurably weird? It makes no difference. In any sense, James Earl Carter is an embarrassment to the United States and a danger to global stability.
How Clinton Decimated the Military By Michael Reagan FrontPageMagazine.com | Friday, March 30, 2007On Friday night, Rep. Duncan Hunter, former chairman of the House Armed Services Committee and now its ranking Republican member, appeared on the Hannity and Colmes show on Fox, and I was astonished to hear him castigated for failing to see that our troops in Iraq needed equipment.
He was specifically challenged on matter of the alleged lack of body armor for our troops in Iraq, and the administration’s alleged failure to ensure that our troops had the protection the armor affords them.
Ignored were certain inconvenient facts such as the amount of body armor that was available under Bill Clinton, which was zero. Today under President Bush and thanks to Duncan Hunter’s work in the Armed Services Committee, which authorized the funds to purchase the body armor, the armed services have one million sets of body armor. That’s one million!
It’s puzzling to see the media ignore the disastrous cutbacks in our armed services that took place under Bill Clinton, and the extraordinary efforts of the Bush administration and Hunter’s committee to beef up our military.
Under Clinton, for example, the number of armored Humvees available to the military was a pitiful 1,300. Under President Bush it’s over 26,000.
And it was not just Clinton who sapped our strength – Congress under the Democrats has just turned thumbs down on the Pentagon’s request for $4.75 billion for the mine-resistant, ambush-protected vehicles that can safeguard our troops from the IED explosions which are responsible for a large part of the deaths and wounding of our soldiers and Marines.
Instead of funding that vital request in the $124 billion supplemental bill passed this week, the Democrats were able to find billions for such things as subsidies for spinach farmers and the shrimp industry, but not a dime for a vehicle that could save the lives of thousands of our troops in Iraq.
It’s instructive to look at what happened to the 1st Cavalry Division under Bill Clinton and what its strength is today under George Bush.
In 2000, the division had three brigades, – M1A2 (base-design Abrams tanks, Bradley A2 (base-design tanks), the situational awareness of the battlefield was provided solely by soldiers on the ground calling in spot reports, communications were by line-of-sight radio, there was no armor protection for Humvees, there was no connectivity between services, and the brigades had a mere 1,600 radios.
In 2006, however, the division had four brigades with more maneuver-capable companies. They had the M1A2 System Enhancement Package including improved armor, independent thermal sights, and embedded digital command systems. Their Bradley A3 tanks had improved armor, and embedded digital command systems. Battlefield situational awareness was enhanced by unmanned aerial reconnaissance vehicles (UAVs) integrated by Army Battle Command Systems (Network Centric Warfare). Communications were by a digital command-and-control network, including satellites. All Tactical Wheeled Vehicles off the forward operating bases were to be armored and radios in a Brigade numbered 2,500.
The facts is that this president, along with Duncan Hunter and others, sought to give the military all the equipment they need because when they came in there was no equipment thanks to the skeltonizing of our armed forces under Bill Clinton.
Under Bill Clinton we heard such horror stories as our soldiers and sailors going without essential training because equipment was broken and there were no parts to fix it. There were reports of maintenance crews "cannibalizing" other pieces of equipment to make Band-Aid repairs on equipment that has worn out.
One observer warned that because no new tanks were purchased in 1995, there was a clear danger that by 2005 the tanks available would be older than the soldiers driving them. Thanks to President Bush and Duncan Hunter that was not allowed to happen.
Under President Clinton our military was drastically downsized. Under the new Democratic leadership in Congress our troops are now being denied the funding they need to prevail in Iraq.
Once again I have to ask why they want us to lose another war. Wasn’t losing in Vietnam enough?
The Left's Racist Groupthink By Michael Reagan FrontPageMagazine.com | Friday, May 16, 2008The big difference between Republicans and liberal Democrats is the way each party views people. Republicans see us as individuals and respect our God-given human dignity. To left-wing Democrats, we're not individuals; we're members of a herd with all the dignity of a cow or pig, dependent on its owner for daily rations of hay or slop.
Democrats see us as being white or as blacks or as straights or as gays, or as lesbians or as heterosexuals, or as rich or poor, or as Christians or as Jews or as Muslims, or as young or as old, as working or as retired, or as housewives or as career women.
They submerge us into pools that define us as members of groups instead of as what we are as God sees us -- as any father sees his children -- each being different from one another, and each child being a separate and distinct individual with his or her own specific talents and abilities, and all deserving of his love.
Republicans see us all as Americans, all united in our desire to see this nation grow and prosper, and be safe and secure, and to provide opportunities to everyone no matter our group membership.
Democrats see us as members of groups, each with specific goals often at odds or competing with the goals other groups. To them you have no existence except as being a small part of a bloc or several blocs. Instead of seeking to treat you as a person, they aim not to satisfy your individual needs and desires but only those of your group.
This Marxist view of human nature embraces group-think, despises individuality, and seeks to eliminate all vestiges of the dignity to which every human being created in the image and likeness of God is entitled. Only the hopes and aspirations of the groups matter, and they matter solely because they create dependency on the state -- which seeks to supplant God as the source of all that is good and necessary for survival.
Grouping Americans allows the Democrats to gather the herd and drive it into their pen. Since each group needs a shepherd, the liberals are only too happy to name one to guide it. The anointed shepherd, of course, is one who can be relied upon to toe the Democrats’ party line.
And so the black group finds itself led and defined by a Jesse Jackson or an Al Sharpton. The fact that the members of the black American groups are given no say in determining who speaks for them or is their leader makes no difference. If you are black, you are not Jackie Robinson or Tiger Woods. You are a member of the black herd-group, and Jesse Jackson is your shepherd. And Jesse Jackson, who gives new meaning to the term "shepherd's crook," is led around by the Democrats if he wants to continue as a shepherd.
If you are a member of the female group your spokespersons are the likes of Hillary Clinton, Barbra Streisand, Nancy Pelosi, or whatever shrew is the head of NOW or NARAL or EMILY's List. All are loyal Democrats. Republicans need not apply for the job of shepherding the human ewes.
If you have Hispanic background, step in line and follow Gov. Bill Richardson into the Democratic sheep pen. And if you are a laborer or pipe fitter or an employee of federal, state or local government your shepherds are all loyal Democratic labor bosses.
This division of people into groups, and groups into political blocs, is necessary because the powers that be want to negotiate with groups rather than with individual Americans, and with group leaders they choose rather than with leaders chosen by the members of the groups. And when federal dollars are doled out, they pass through the sticky hands of the groups' leaders
And this is a party that allegedly celebrates diversity among individuals.
WORD OF THE DAY GUN CONTROL, n. A Korrectnik scheme that disarms law abiding citizens to make it safe for armed and dangerous criminals to ply their trade
I'm thinking that the trolls last night are the same as McCain - they are McConfused!
good morning kathy. i am thinking that the trolls will be happy when the democrats control the white house and both houses of congress...the trolls will have a clear path to do nothing but complain...as things are now they occasionally have to make believe their bozos have some sort of ideas or programs to promote progress in the world...this usually boils down to letting corporations do whatever they want and letting first grade kids bring gloks to school but i guess that qualifies as some sort of program....anyhow soon they can focus on ranting and complaining because they will have very little po-li-ti-cal power...
meanwhile i find this quote from russia's president quite funny. if only our statespeople would speak so plainly:
"The battle of words on Friday sharpened as well: Mr. Medvedev accused the Georgian president, Mikheil Saakashvili, of harboring “idiotic ideas” that had provoked the war.
speaking of funny rich lowry is a conservative chickenhawk douchebag who was undoubtedly atomic wedgied throughout his junior and senior high school years and has written about how the pelicans might get their chicken fat infused brains around having loserman as their vp candidate...
"To placate Republicans and maximize the political impact of his selection, Lieberman would have to join the ticket as part of a McCain pledge to serve just one term. Both McCain and Lieberman would promise not to run for president in 2012, removing any possibility of Lieberman becoming a successor or putting his imprint on the Republican Party. Their administration would be above electoral politics, a high-minded exercise in competent governance and bipartisan compromise."
basically he is saying mcsame and old joe the shmo should only run together if they promise not to govern ( which is really what repelicans all do anyway...or is it don't do? or is it do-do...)....and that the team member of jewish persuasion promise to never exercise any power at all lest we all be forced to eat lox and bagels for breakfast and be banned from i-hops with their great fake blueberry syrup forever...has national review become a branch of the "onion"?
Morning kathy and gregg,
mcconfused, that's a true statement. I also like mctraitor too. This SOB is supporting the criminal "leader" of Georgia in order to stick it to the Russians and protect the natural gas pipeline.
he even sent liverlips and graham over to preen the idiot.
It is clear that U.S. and ukrainian mercenaries were with the Georgians when they massacred 2,000 Russians in South Ossetia.
mctraitor SUPPORTS genocide. If the American people vote for this criminal then they are just as bad as mccain, bush and cheney. They are chicken hawk war mongers.
Why did KKKarl visit both the Ukraine and Georgia just this month?
Verrrrry interesting, and treasonous. Was KKKarl stirring up war with Russia?
I guess we will never know because that bastard will not appear before a congressional committee.
Can a president pardon someone for committing treason?
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