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The Obama ad was perfect. McCain can't remember how many houses he has. That one small fact is extremely powerfull. Not only is he completely out of touch with the average American who is struggling to make ONE house payment; he is also to old to remember simple things.
The trouble with today's GOP is that winning has become more important than effective government.
Hey every one. How do we get people interested in this on-line poll at http://www.bop-o-rama.com? I think we ned to spread the word going into the convention. McCain's count should be way higher. Spread the word. Go Denver!
How many houses do I won? One, small older home that I bought about 20 years ago, and hung on to while the Army sent me around the country. It's needing some work, but the equity is greater than the remaining principal on the loan, and it has a large yard, and how many people in this country can say they can see the Continental Divide from their front porch, and still live in town?
I only have one house. But so far I have been able to make the mortgage payments (knock-on-wood).
And I don't own any airplanes even though I hear it is the only way to get around in some parts.
Posted by Johne on August 21, 2008 at 10:05 PM dorsano, The GOP has sunk to new lows of depravity.
In the past, when we've had our backs to the wall, it's brought out the best of us.
the house stuff was wonderful today. got us off the "why isn't obama up by a hundred points" nonsense. and mcsame is spending 270k on household staff which is more proof he's just a regular joe...hahahaha....so you wanna play pin the tail on the elitist money bags do ya......
gee any chance all this talk about how we will be out of iraq really soon...like say in a year or two....is an effort to help mcsame get elected???nah they would never do anything so manipulative would they??
Barack Obama and Howard Dean are bending over backwards to please everyone. There is already committee to start planning changes to the primary.
Rules committee meeting Saturday to appoint commission to change the primaries.
"The review came from discussions between Obama's campaign, DNC officials and representatives of Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign, Obama spokesman Nick Shapiro said.
The commission is to be formed at the party convention in Denver. The convention's rules committee will take up the matter at a meeting Saturday, two days before the convention starts."
On the off chance that my post above confuses you, Johne (or others) - by "we" - I meant America - which includes the GOP. Those supporting the "lost brother" BS should clearly understand that I am calling them un-American and that I'm willing to engage in a public debate whenever they have the balls to call for one.
I am glad to see the Obama camp taking the gloves off. They have so much material. The American people have a right to know about the REAL John McCain. His involvement in:
Keating 5
Abramoff/Reed
Dumping his fist wife and daughter
Plame
Crashing 5
"Songbird"
Flip-flops
torture
Support for Iraq invasion
Tom DeLay
Just to name a few.
Good evening, all.
Butte,
I can see over the creek into my neighbor's Virgin Mary statue grotto. Not quite the same thing as the Continental Divide, but it's the best we can do. I envy you.
Company acknowledges voting machine errorBy STEPHEN MAJORS, Associated Press Writer
COLUMBUS, Ohio - A major voting machine maker has cautioned its customers in 34 states to look out for a programming error that may cause votes to be dropped.
At least 1,000 total votes were dropped in nine Ohio counties over the course of a handful elections back to 2006, including the March presidential primary, though the error was in all cases discovered and corrected within several hours. Premier Election Solutions Inc. previously had said complications with antivirus software caused the problem, but on Tuesday the company said in a product advisory that the problem is with the machines themselves.
The error occurs when multiple memory cards are being uploaded at the same time, and it is more likely to occur in jurisdictions that have several voters and use touch-screen voting systems, said Premier spokesman Chris Riggall.
Allen, Texas-based Premier, a unit of North Canton-based Diebold Inc., supplies touch-screen voting systems as well as scanners for paper ballots. The problem is more likely to occur in touch-screen systems because they use more memory cards, one for every touch screen...
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080821/ap_on_re_us/voting_machines
Looks like Butters has them on the run?
Now how many votes were "dropped" in that Florida county in 2006...like 18,000
Can you just envision the elation at the Heritage Foundation when sometime shortly after the Contract with American that Diebolt executives demonstrated how the GOP could manipulate elections....and "deliver" for George Bush in 2000?
Would someone please explain to me again why we needed to get rid of paper ballots? Was it to rush the results for the news media or to get rid of the paper trail and make it easier to "drop" votes?
I just love that one of those fool Republican politicians let the term "voter suppression" slip to a real journalist. It will be a key piece of evidence for historians.
Here is some interesting news. Europe is betting on who Obama's VP pick will be. Biden, Clinton of course on high on list. But get this, the odds for Paris Hilton have dropped from 10,000 to 1 to somewhere around 350 to 1.
I mean really, could she be worse than Cheney???
She is certainly smarter than George Bush... but then again, so are most of the bio-fuels they are selling today.
Posted by gregg on August 21, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Get out of Iraq...as in official American troops or as in privatized military contractors/mercenaries? "We" aren't leaving till Cheney gets full control of Iraqis oil facilities.
For that matter, is the Bush administration talking just about American troops in Iraqi cities and/or those we leave behind in those huge Petraeus "training centers" and the Green Zone/American Embassy?
I'd make McSame explain exactly who he intends to bring home (if ever) in 100 years or whenever it takes to squeeze every last cent out of our Treasury for Halliburton and the rest of McBush's lobbyist staff's clients.
I bet the Iraqis would like to have that clarified, too.
Condi is running around getting people to sign things so fast that nobody has had a chance to read what's in the small print.
And I don't own any airplanes even though I hear it is the only way to get around in some parts.
Posted by Chicago on August 21, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Cindy and John have another home in Juneau, AK?
Posted by SandyH on August 21, 2008 at 11:17 PM
Condi should stick to buying shoes.
Do you believe this shit? McDumbass is really stupid.
Republican John McCain said Wednesday that the bridge collapse in Minnesota that killed 13 people last year would not have happened if Congress had not wasted so much money on pork-barrel spending.
Posted by SandyH on August 21, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Sandy,
More than likely, Cindy has another plane in Alaska.
Has anyone checked to make sure Cindy and John do not vote in each of the states they own houses in? That could be an extra 30 or 40 votes.
McDumbass's brain must have atrophied to the size of a walnut. He should have this checked out as soon as possible. I am not a doctor but a brain scan may be the answer. After all he can afford it even though he has free health care thanks to the American people as part of his job as senator.
good to see you as well chicago. old bloggers never die they just get distracted by the stoli and high end ice cream in the freezer...
Why aren't McDumbass's free benefits as a senator labelled earmarks?
Posted by Chicago on August 21, 2008 at 11:19 PM
Nope. And I'm not betting that we are going to learn anything on Saturday either. The media whores swore we would know by this Wednesday. It's come and gone.
Besides, why should we announce our V.P. before the convention so that Dynamic Duo, Guiliani and Romney, can start doing their Not Ready in '08 routine on him/her before we even get started in Denver? Let them stand around and look stupid till mid-week.
If we wait, McSame's V.P. announcement on Friday will be overshadowed by the halo of our annoited making the RNC annoucement seem like an also ran. I say let the McCain camp and the media stew as long as we can.
I think I finally understand what the dems are doing with respect to the impeachments. If they try to impeach while George is still in office, George or Dick will pardon anyone involved. If George is impeached, Cheney will pardon. If Cheney is impeached, George will pardon. Georgie Sr. did it. Why not the idiot son?
So wait until after the election. Investigate then. Show the American people what trash the republicans have been for the past 30 years. Start with Iran/Contra. The evidence is there, it is all simply locked up (by Executive order).
Bring it out and bring it on. The American people need to know.
If you think the "Republican brand" is damaged today... just wait and see.
Posted by Chicago on August 21, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Chicago,
If they follow Ann Coulter's example, neither of them vote in the right precinct. I bet they vote absentee. So there would be a paper trail to check.
Could McCain find his polling place without Lieberman or Graham guiding him? Did he vote while he was in Georgia...the one in Europe? Does he have a "home" there?
Posted by SandyH on August 21, 2008 at 11:32 PM
Sandy,
You think GOOD.
Let them stand around and look stupid till mid-week.
I'm all in on that one.
Posted by Chicago on August 21, 2008 at 11:19 PM So, are we all convinced it is Biden?
I like both Chuck Haegel and Biden but I'm guessing it will be Bayh which is a good choice. Bayh brings a good counter balance.
Posted by SandyH on August 21, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Does he have a "home" there?
Sandy,
I don't know... neither does he.
meager but still good news from pew. maybe americans are beginning to remember that if they are religious politicians will only use their beliefs for very unreligious ends such as getting power...
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A slim majority of Americans think churches should stay out of politics, according to a new survey.
John McCain, the Rev. Rick Warren and Barack Obama together for a CNN broadcast forum on faith.
The survey suggests that for the first time in more than a decade, there has been a shift away from the view that religious groups should influence social and political issues.
Fifty-two percent of poll respondents said churches should stay quiet, while 46 percent said churches should express political views.
The biggest shift has come among Republicans, one of the authors of the poll said.
"Overall, the number of people who say churches should not endorse political candidates is up slightly, but among Republicans it is up 11 points, and among white evangelical Republicans it is up 19 points," said Greg Smith, a research fellow at the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life...
yes dors but can he bring indiana? and he may be well known in the land o lakes but no one in these parts knows who the hell he is...
Posted by dorsano on August 21, 2008 at 11:43 PM
Bayh brings a good counter balance.
Bayh also probably brings Indiana. That is only 11 electoral college votes, but it is a 22 point swing when we take them from McLame. Every vote counts. Might be enough to "swing" Ohio too.
That Obama. He is so damn smart...
Here we go again...
Oil rises towards $120 on Russia-U.S. tension
gravatar.comwww.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUST14048520080821
Oil rose by more than $4 a barrel to nearly $120 on Thursday, climbing for a third day, as Washington's missile shield deal with Poland angered Russia, adding to international tension.
The spat adds to political factors that have supported oil prices in recent months, such as the dispute over Iran's nuclear work. A weaker dollar also boosted the appeal of commodities as an inflation hedge.
"There's a myriad of geopolitical factors rumbling in the background -- Russia, Iran," said Tony Machacek, broker at Bache Commodities Ltd. "Also, the dollar is weaker."
Yeah, there's myriad factors all caused by Republican bluders and aggression. When Russia starts harrassing Poland or grabbing pipelines in one of their other former Soviet satillites, the speculation will go wild again.
Posted by Johne on August 21, 2008 at 11:23 PM
McCain blames Minnesota bridge collapse on earmarks
I crossed that bridge about 1/2 hour before it fell down - I blame the failure on a dysfunctional country-wide politics - that even the most community oriented and well-off of our states are struggling with.
from wapo:
"And liberal bloggers have struck as well, pointing out that McCain's standard campaign uniform of blue "Navy" baseball cap and khakis is anchored by a distinctive pair of $500 Ferragamo loafers."
and of course there is condi and her elmeda marcos syndrome issue....and of course both mcsame and condi have been "brought to heal" so to speak by the bush family and thereby have been reduced to boot licking...
Posted by Chicago on August 21, 2008 at 11:36 PM
McCain is going to hold a rally here Sunday. I guess I better get ready to protest in the "Freedom of Speech Zone." This is the first thing that needs to go when we get a Constitutionally-correct President again.
wow dors and we walked under that crane an hour or so before it came down. remind me not to take a moon walk with you...
chicago do you really think bayh would swing indiana?...if so i'm all for him getting the nod...
blog is getting jumpy again but it is the only one that i stay up late to read and write on. cool crystal clear night here in the hudson valley. gonna get to jones beach one or two more times before summer is over...good night friends.
Posted by SandyH on August 21, 2008 at 11:49 PM
McLame and Bush are working hard to create situations that will help McLame in the election. They want international issues to be front and center. Look what they did before the 2004 elections. We now know there were NO WMD's and we now know Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. So what was the rush to war??? The election. Our young men and women have died to insure a Bush election in 2004. That is very clear today.
Posted by Chicago on August 21, 2008 at 11:36 PM
McCain is going to hold a rally here Sunday. I guess I better get ready to protest in the "Freedom of Speech Zone." This is the first thing that needs to go when we get a Constitutionally-correct President again.
I'll be the one holding up a sign saying, "I THINK I own one home...if my bank is still solvent."
chicago do you really think bayh would swing indiana?...if so i'm all for him getting the nod...Posted by gregg on August 21, 2008 at 11:56 PM
Gregg,
He would bring it. Not sure it will or would be enough.
It all depends on what the media wants to happen.
Swift boating and all that rot.
Posted by gregg on August 21, 2008 at 11:48 PM yes dors but can he bring indiana? and he may be well known in the land o lakes but no one in these parts knows who the hell he is...
I don't think it's useful to do any of those sorts of calculations - I don't think that they will matter much in the end.
I'm looking ahead to governing - I'm more concerned about the Midwest and the life style we have here - and IN is not all that different from MN - and while Obama is from IL (which shares many of our concerns) he's going to be occupied with the concerns of the entire country.
Am I being too selfish? I said that I preferred Haegel first and Biden is someone who represents me well on foreign policy - not sure about economic.
Past my bedtime as well.
Goodnight Sandy, dorsano and Johne.
gregg,
Nobody knows who Bayh is in Missouri. They would think he was so sort of Hoosier...which is not considered a good thing here.
I want Webb or Richardson if it's not going to be Biden or if Obama can't figure out what John Kennedy did and hold his nose and put Hillary on the ticket. Party unity is more important than acting like a new kind of politician.
Good night, all.
One for the road:
U.S. says likely to help Georgia rebuild military
gravatar.comwww.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSLL17458720080821
The United States expects to help Georgia rebuild its military following the conflict with Russia over breakaway South Ossetia, a top U.S. general said on Thursday.
"One would assume ... we would have to help them rebuild because they are a partner in the war on terror, they've been helpful. They are going to ask us, I am sure, to replace and rebuild," General John Craddock, who is in charge of the U.S. European Command, told reporters during a trip to Georgia.
Craddock said he would assess Georgia's needs during his visit, due to end on Friday, and report back to the Pentagon.
When are we going to rebuild our military? Rebuild New Orleans? Rebuild all those unnecesary earmarks/bridges in Minnesota and the rest of the United States?
Posted by gregg on August 21, 2008 at 11:55 PM wow dors and we walked under that crane an hour or so before it came down. remind me not to take a moon walk with you...
Hmmm ... If I remember correctly, I was taking a walk with you.
Good night, all. Everyone's been signing out and I haven't been keeping track.
Posted by SandyH on August 22, 2008 at 12:07 AM or if Obama can't figure out what John Kennedy did and hold his nose and put Hillary on the ticket.
Good point, Sandy - I suppose that there's a lesson in there somewhere for the Cubs who have such a hard time at beating the Cards.
Do you really think that who Obama chooses as a running mate is going to have any bearing on the election? Obama is going to lose in the biggest landslide ever. How is that not obvious to you all?
this is a great article on John McCain - it mentions points we have all discussed - its kinda long but well worth you time to read ................
NEW YORK (CNN) -- Russia invades Georgia and President Bush goes on vacation. Our president has spent one-third of his entire two terms in office either at Camp David, Maryland, or at Crawford, Texas, on vacation.
His time away from the Oval Office included the month leading up to 9/11, when there were signs Osama bin Laden was planning to attack America, and the time Hurricane Katrina destroyed the city of New Orleans.
Sen. John McCain takes weekends off and limits his campaign events to one a day. He made an exception for the religious forum on Saturday at Saddleback Church in Southern California.
I think he made a big mistake. When he was invited last spring to attend a discussion of the role of faith in his life with Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, at Messiah College in Pennsylvania, McCain didn't bother to show up. Now I know why.
It occurs to me that John McCain is as intellectually shallow as our current president. When asked what his Christian faith means to him, his answer was a one-liner. "It means I'm saved and forgiven." Great scholars have wrestled with the meaning of faith for centuries. McCain then retold a story we've all heard a hundred times about a guard in Vietnam drawing a cross in the sand.
Asked about his greatest moral failure, he cited his first marriage, which ended in divorce. While saying it was his greatest moral failing, he offered nothing in the way of explanation. Why not?
Throughout the evening, McCain chose to recite portions of his stump speech as answers to the questions he was being asked. Why? He has lived 71 years. Surely he has some thoughts on what it all means that go beyond canned answers culled from the same speech he delivers every day.
He was asked "if evil exists." His response was to repeat for the umpteenth time that Osama bin Laden is a bad man and he will pursue him to "the gates of hell." That was it.
He was asked to define rich. After trying to dodge the question -- his wife is worth a reported $100 million -- he finally said he thought an income of $5 million was rich.
One after another, McCain's answers were shallow, simplistic, and trite. He showed the same intellectual curiosity that George Bush has -- virtually none.Where are John McCain's writings exploring the vexing moral issues of our time? Where are his position papers setting forth his careful consideration of foreign policy, the welfare state, education, America's moral responsibility in the world, etc., etc., etc.?
John McCain graduated 894th in a class of 899 at the Naval Academy at Annapolis. His father and grandfather were four star admirals in the Navy. Some have suggested that might have played a role in McCain being admitted. His academic record was awful. And it shows over and over again whenever McCain is called upon to think on his feet.
He no longer allows reporters unfettered access to him aboard the "Straight Talk Express" for a reason. He simply makes too many mistakes. Unless he's reciting talking points or reading from notes or a TelePrompTer, John McCain is lost. He can drop bon mots at a bowling alley or diner -- short glib responses that get a chuckle, but beyond that McCain gets in over his head very quickly.
I am sick and tired of the president of the United States embarrassing me. The world we live in is too complex to entrust it to someone else whose idea of intellectual curiosity and grasp of foreign policy issues is to tell us he can look into Vladimir Putin's eyes and see into his soul.
George Bush's record as a student, military man, businessman and leader of the free world is one of constant failure. And the part that troubles me most is he seems content with himself.
He will leave office with the country $10 trillion in debt, fighting two wars, our international reputation in shambles, our government cloaked in secrecy and suspicion that his entire presidency has been a litany of broken laws and promises, our citizens' faith in our own country ripped to shreds. Yet Bush goes bumbling along, grinning and spewing moronic one-liners, as though nobody understands what a colossal failure he has been.
I fear to the depth of my being that John McCain is just like him.
Jack Cafferty
Romans 8:14
Because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
My spirit is leading me to walk power walk, then off to the big city.
Enjoy the day, everyone.
Morning Essie,
That's a great article. I was thinking the same thing this morning when I was listening to the radio. Some idiot war monger from the "secure freedom foundation" was being interviewed. He sounded exactly like bush and mccain.
Russia is the root of all evil, they are arming the axis of evil, they are building a nuclear power plant in Iran, and yatayatayata.
Then he said that Putin is letting the overflow from evil China settle in Siberia and that they have a large population of moslems who are going
to take over Russia.
This guy is a real neocon POS. PNAC probably changed their name to secure freedom foundation.
Then we have bush and cheney blistering Russia's butt over not leaving Georgia. We are demanding that they get out. Screw bush. Putin should tell bush flat out to get out of Iraq. What bush did in Iraq is far worse than Russia did in Georgia. The damn Georgians were practising genocide, bush and cheney's favorite pastime. The Georgians were killing ethnic Russians using our weapons and our advisors.
I am deathly afraid that mccain will do the same or worse strutting around the world having everyone give him the heil Hitler. He just eats this up.
If we elect this dunce then we deserve what we get and we will get total anhilation of America.
will note the sally prediction so we can have some fun with it in november.
at least with sally we know exactly how many houses it has...just the one it's mom lives in known as the rising son...or is it sun?
I expect to see mccain wearing hobnail boots and a swastika on his arm. He reminds me so much of Hitler. He is pathetic.
Hitler was a lazy SOB who used stay up late watching American movies with guests. He would sleep in till noon and demand his mail. Then he would make his appearance about noon spending the rest of the day reviewing architectural plans for a greater Berlin.
mchitler would probably do the same but be reviewing plans to reduce Hanoi to rubble while gleefully rubbing his hands together and peeing his pants.
Hitler was very abrasive to his staff and would always be very abusive. If he got mad he would lose it and roll around the floor chewing on the edge of the rug in a fit of rage.
Toward the end of the war when he was going down, he gave instructions to practise the scorched earth policy toward the western German people. He had been practising the scorched earth policy in eastern Europe. He gave instructions to destroy everything west of berlin including power plants, dams, crops, and anything else that would sustain life. He turned on his own people because they were "disloyal" (translated to a bushism meaning unpatriotic and they hated Germany).
Does this sound familiar. I predict that if mccain steals the presidency, he will end up trumping Hitler and destroy America although maybe a little more subtly.
I there any way we can bar these neocon foundations from even existing? They should be pronounced subversive organizations and silenced.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/21/ohio_voting_machines_contained.html
They just found this out now. There isn't time to fix it. It just loses democratic votes. Funny how this works.
Posted by Chicago on August 21, 2008 at 11:59 PM
Could this thing in Georgia be another ruse to make the neocons including mcprick look better than Obama. I wouldn't be surprised.
Piss on Georgia. Let them rebuild themselves. I suppose bush would screw up Georgia too like he did Iraq and New Orleans. Then bush would send in his favorite no-bid contractors to suck up all the money like he did in Iraq with the result that nothing got rebuilt but there are a lot of rich contractors avoiding taxes to boot.
Then we would have mclame saying "me too".
Why is a large part of our country so damn stupid.
Morning Cate,
In New Mexico we went back to paper ballots and optical scanners. We have paper backup and the scanners simply tabulate the scans. There is a lot less chance of "rove" fraud. Several other states have gone to this method.
We did have a problem in the primary where a box of votes from a town of heavily Democratic voters lives disappeared.
These criminal neocons like rove are everywhere. Our only clear channel radio station in Albuquerque is all neocon and influences nut cases all over the state. That's why we need to get the "Fairness Doctrine" back in force and stomp on these right wing bastards.
Johne-
We don't have to elect this dunce. All they have to do is make it appear the election is going to be close. They have already done that.
The fix is in with regard to the voting machines. They just told us they won't be "repaired" in time.
Most citizens are working two jobs and are too tired just trying to support their families to do more than watch TV news. Print journalists barely give a sh*t, the TV pretenders surely don't.
As far as I can tell, we have to make it a real landslide, or they will steal the election again.
Yeah Johne, we need the "Fairness Doctrine" back in place. Yesterday. How many Dems do you see pushing for that?
When people pick up their unemployment checks we should make them register to vote then drive them to the polls in November.
Robert Kennedy was investigating this nationwide voter but nothing has come of it. Congress should splash this all over the place and accuse the neocons and the neocon corporate ass-kissers of voter and election fraud just before the election.
Cate,
The "Fairness Doctrine" is languishing in Congress but will never pass until we get rid of the raygun democrats and the neocons.
I want my government back.
I see where bush is about to sign the Iraq agreement and does not plan to show it to Congress. What is wrong with this picture. Isn't the senate supposed to approve all treaties? Why aren't the Democrats screaming bloody murder on the floor of the Senate and House?
Our only clear channel radio station in Albuquerque is all neocon and influences nut cases all over the state. That's why we need to get the "Fairness Doctrine" back in force and stomp on these right wing bastards. Posted by Johne on August 22, 2008 at 08:21 AM
Same here in northern Indiana - 1/3 of this state doesn't have any progressive voices on radio - it's all one sided. Gee, it makes you wonder why Indiana is so red? Time for the Fair Doctrine to come back - I'm ready!
We must bring the impeachment to a head and hold impeachment hearings concerning bush and cheney. We must have a truckload of war crimes charges alone.
Waxman said he is going to press the issue of the (cheney) forged letter about WMD's in Iraq. This should be splashed all over the press in a way which they cannot ignore.
Why is mccain against investigating missing POW's in Vietnam? He was in hearings some time back and he was very rude and abrasive to the witnesses before the committee. I feel that it is because if these people know about mccain and know that he was a coward in the Hanoi Hilton spilling his guts and grovelling in front of the North Vietnamese. Why else would he be against finding the POW's.
There must be video of him spilling his guts on Hanoi television. What happened to the video. I think I remember seeing clips of him spewing the commie line with North Vietnamese guards standing by. They accused Jane Fonda of this and they constantly show her picture with NV soldiers sitting on a cannon. In fact they showed a fake picture of Kerry and Fonda together which gullible voters just love to see.
WE MUST EXPOSE THIS TRAITOR AND ENSURE THAT HE DOES NOT STEAL THIS ELECTION LIKE BUSH AND CHENEY DID THE LAST TWO!
http://people-press.org/report/445/religion-politics
Somebody send Obama a copy of this article!
walking the dogs then off to town. bbl.
Remember, mccain's IQ is the same as his belt size.
bush's brain is the size of a peanut; consequently, he doesn't have an IQ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25E0ACkA6uo
Song of the day.
See you Monday. Gotta pack my bag, pack my cooler, pack my car.
Take me to the river....
Why is mccain against investigating missing POW's in Vietnam? He was in hearings some time back and he was very rude and abrasive to the witnesses before the committee. I feel that it is because if these people know about mccain and know that he was a coward in the Hanoi Hilton spilling his guts and grovelling in front of the North Vietnamese. Why else would he be against finding the POW's.
No just that, Cate, he demanded the records there all be sealed! Now why would a man do that, if he was such a Victim of them?????
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