Kicking Ass: The Democratic Party's Blog

Sunday Open Thread

Posted by Matt Ortega on August 17, 2008 at 09:30 AM

Chat away...

Comments (165) «

Godd morning every one! Great forum last night. Need your help today at the realtime online poll over at http://www.bop-o-rama.com Team Obama, we need to get over there and start Bopping McCain. The numbers on this poll are going no where but up. Your bops count in realtime! Thought of the day: A politician is a man who understands government and it takes a politician to run a government. A statesman is a politician who's been dead ten or fifteen years. --Harry S. Truman

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acarponzo on August 17, 2008 at 09:49 AM

Good morning everyone! A thought for the day!

"A politician is a man who understands government and it takes a politician to run a government. A statesman is a politician who's been dead ten or fifteen years." Harry S. Truman

We need to get over to the realtime online poll at httpe://www.bop-o-rama.com. We need to start bopping McCain. On this poll the numbers never go down. Your bops count in realtime. Spread the word.

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acarponzo on August 17, 2008 at 09:56 AM

Saw the forum last night. Interesting contrast. Obama gave obviously unscripted answers, you could see him thinking about what he was saying. McCain answered in platitudes and trite phrases and kept bring up his "war record" instead of giving any in-depth answers.

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Butte on August 17, 2008 at 10:22 AM

Arcoponzo, that bop thing is sooo bogus! It's rigged so when you try to bop the broad in the bikini you have to be right on or Obama gets the bop, and the totals are being messed with. Are you being paid to shill for this thing? Give it a rest.

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Butte on August 17, 2008 at 10:29 AM

I see this blog is up to its old tricks.

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Butte on August 17, 2008 at 10:56 AM

Good morning, all.

Watching the corporate MSM today, it was interesting to watch how the media divas continue to applaud the McCain style of bravado over facing problems.

After eight years of watching Bush opperate in the same manner and seeing the country go down the drain, why would serious journalists continue to pay homage to a form or leadership that they know doesn't work, impedes our future growth, and has derailed this country?

Sound bite politics and dysfunctional government go hand-in-hand. Americans has suffered from it way too long. Voters are not concerned about personalities or implied threats that never materialize. We are concerned about OUR future.

Do we let others define our candidate? Do we let the corporate media set the tone? Do we demand change and our middle class lifestyle back? Do we challenge those that accepts mediocrity and failure instead of positive results?

Have we had enough of promises never realized and acceptance of failure?

Or do we scoff at those who tout their vast experience of incompetence and push for GOP policies that have destroyed our standard of living and weakened our military capabilies?

One can promote the same old failed policies and suggest that they might now magically work if we just give them one more chance. But can voters honestly look around at the carnage and feel our nation could survive eight more years of this stupidity and bravado?

We all know it's time to roll up our sleves and get to work repairing the damage. That will take a calm, determined resolve to face problems and attack them.

People go to rock concerts not just because of the charisma of the performers. They go because of their talent and ability to deliver the goods in a new exciting creative way.

The Republicans have only been creative when it comes to telling lies and benefitting from their corruption.

The RNC would like to divert attention from the Republican-controlled Congress which McCain voted with 95% of the time. But that is what this election is about. They and McCain don't have the talent and have failed to deliver the goods...miserably.

Americans are worried. Bravado doesn't make them feel secure. They want someone new to step up to the plate and deliver not strike out...again.

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SandyH on August 17, 2008 at 11:07 AM

testing

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HybridFuel on August 17, 2008 at 11:44 AM

Comments?

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Butte on August 17, 2008 at 11:46 AM

Good Morning,

Ask President Bush and Saakashvili to release the satellite photos to prove they are not liars??

Every news source quoted originally quoted Saakashvile attack and killed Russians first.

1) Satellite photos would show the Georgian army move attacking Russian territory.

2) Satellite photos would show the evacuation of Russian civilians moving out of the conflict zone.

3) Satellite photos would show the Russian enforcement moving in to defend against Georgian invasion.

Propaganda lies are no reasons to die for idiot liars, even if they were pretending to by friendly toward our country.

…Unless, republicans are un-American, non-patriotic, liars and supporters of mass murderers and killers of pregnant women and children. Yup that is what republicans are supporters of mass murderers and x-tian reich!!

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HybridFuel on August 17, 2008 at 11:49 AM

For over seven years or more Russia has been trying to get the Bush administration to negotiate over the missle defense shield and help the control the terrorist activities their former Eastern sattilie countries were engaging in along their border.

They were ignored. Bush ignored them. The European Union igonored them. The U.N. ingnored them. NATO ignored them.

Nobody is ignoring them any longer.

We need to stop a foreign policy that only reacts to crisises that we are in some blame for creating. Nuclear powers cannot be ignored.

Iran and other developing nations have taken notice.

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SandyH on August 17, 2008 at 11:54 AM

Posted by SandyH on August 17, 2008 at 11:07 AM
Yeah, what you said!
It was so bogus how the corporate media talking heads were saying how well McCain did. He was only mouthing hackneyed phrases that are supposed to bring on Pavlovian responses, which is NOT doing well in my book.
It's time to deal with very pressing issues, and not drool in response to repetitious phrases that are designed to hide a candidate's real agendas while they studiously avoid the discussion of our very real problems, like the destruction of the Constitution, or economic crisis, our destruction of our position as a world leader, or any of the very, very many other problems we and our kids and grand-kids are facing because of 8 years of the Bushiato.
The contrast between the candidates was like day and a rather creepy night.
Obama replied to his questions with thoughtfulness and candor, and told it like it is. From what I saw he did much better than the pundits claimed.

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Butte on August 17, 2008 at 11:58 AM

Republican are un-patriotic, un-american liars who support baby killers, killers of pregnant womens and mass murderer.

McCain is calling mass murderer Georgian President his friend.

President Bush is calling Mass Murderer Georgian President his friend!

The Evangelical x-tian reich have been broadcasting their support for mass murderers, baby killers and murderers of pregnant womens in Georgia!!

Do you want to follow these liars to hell with your soul!!??

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HybridFuel on August 17, 2008 at 11:59 AM

Rural economic woes may provide opening for Obama

By KIMBERLY HEFLING, Associated Press Writer

BELLEVILLE, Pa. - The folks in this picturesque mountain community with red barns and Amish buggies have been voting overwhelmingly Republican in national elections for decades.

But tough economic times in Mifflin County and in rural areas all around the country have created possible openings for Democrat Barack Obama.

President Bush won nearly 70 percent of the county's vote in both 2000 and 2004, but the standard of living here has declined steadily during his administration.

The farm equipment factory that employed 500 workers here is closing. So is the milk plant. Farmers are facing skyrocketing feed and fertilizer costs, and gas prices are squeezing household budgets of those who now have to drive elsewhere for work...

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080817/ap_on_el_pr/rural_voters

The Republicans have closed the rural clinics. People have to travel to regional hospitals for routine medical care and big cities to see a specialist. It's hard to find a docotr anywhere in the countryside.

This sounds more like a third world country than America. But that's what life in McBushWorld has become for rural Americans.

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SandyH on August 17, 2008 at 12:23 PM

testing

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HybridFuel on August 17, 2008 at 12:25 PM

Hello SandyH,

It seems the Republicans are leaders of the inland third world.

Where doctors are few and far between, finding heathcare is difficult, and they have to travel into Democratic controlled regions because they don't know how to provide for themselves??

Is this what America wants as proof the republicans do not understand what America needs in Healthcare??

Show me republican controlled regions of the country and I will show you an inland third world nation!!

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HybridFuel on August 17, 2008 at 12:32 PM

test

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highserenity on August 17, 2008 at 12:40 PM

Heeere posts, posts, posts!

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Butte on August 17, 2008 at 12:41 PM

The liberals' intolerance by Klaus Rohrich Wednesday, February 8, 2006

Last week I heard some left-wing commentator talk about how "dangerous" the "Religious Right" is and how an overtly Christian agenda has wound its way into conservatism. Hmmm. As a card-carrying member of the vast-right-wing-conspiracy this is news to me. I haven't heard a lot of "God is on our side" rhetoric emanating from my fellow conservatives. But assuming that there are some devout Christians who have gotten interested in politics, so what?

Does having strongly-held religious beliefs automatically disqualify one from participating in a democracy? Well, if you listen to the hysterical rantings of people like Al Franken and Michael Moore, you'd think the Spanish Inquisition was being revived in America because Christians are getting involved in politics.

It's really interesting to note that when some liberal icons, like the famously incompetent former President Jimmy Carter, or the famously incompetent former Vice-President Al Gore, talk about their faith and God, they're transformed into paragons of goodness. Yet According to left/lib orthodoxy conservative Christians pose a grave danger and should be disenfranchised.

See, there is yet another example of liberalism's famous contradictions. You would never hear a liberal say that fundamentalist Muslims, for instance, should barred from voting as they pose a danger to our way of life. Even if they espoused hatred toward Western culture, it's considered their right in a free society. Anyone who would dare suggest that Islam might be a threat to our way of life would be vilified by liberals; yet, they'd take the vote away from Jerry Falwell in a New York minute.

We are all familiar with the Rev. Jessie Jackson and the Rev. Al Sharpton, both of who figure prominently among liberals as outstanding leaders of the civil rights movement. But no one is warning Americans about the dangers of their faith, even if that faith is apparently the same as that of those on the "Religious Right".

What's with that? Is it because the Rev. Jackson, who is famous for putting the bite on American corporations with threats of mass boycotts and using the proceeds to pay off his mistress, is an alleged black civil rights leader? Or is it because Jackson has been given some kind of special dispensation from Chuck Schumer or Ted Kennedy and is therefore an "acceptable" Christian.

The Rev. Sharpton, you may recall, was involved in the Tamara Brawley affair some years ago, which amounted to bearing false witness (a Christian ‘no-no') as the rape that Tamara and the Rev. Sharpton alleged never occurred. Those falsely accused are still waiting for an apology. What makes Sharpton's faith acceptable over George W. Bush's and why is it that no one seems to be able to note the contradictions of the liberals' viewpoint?

It appears that liberals have a built-in filtering mechanism, somewhat like those 3-D glasses they used to give you at the movies that allows them to determine good Christians from bad Christians. I don't think it's a color thing, as that would have sunk former President Jim-ah and I certainly don't think it's a "character" thing, as that would sink both Jackson and Sharpton.

So the only reason to fear conservative Christians would seems to be their belief in "traditional values", which are directly opposed to the radical left's anti-family, pro poly-sexual agenda.

Jimmy Carter seems to constantly be defending America's enemies, among them some individuals whose world views are a hell of a lot scarier than any Christian, while Sharpton and Jackson are working hard to keep African Americans down on the liberal plantation, as it is in their own self-interest for them do so.

Yet those who have a belief system that opposes the cynical nihilism of the left are reviled as iconoclasts and treated like pariahs. What's wrong with this picture?

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neo_con on August 17, 2008 at 12:54 PM

test

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patti on August 17, 2008 at 12:56 PM

Butte,

McCain lives in the past and never learned a thing from the mistakes made there. We have to deal with the present or there will be no future for the middle class and the working poor.

Our military is overextened and under supplied because of funds being syphoned off for no-bid war profiteers. Yet McCain wants to start a new Cold War that's good for Halliburton and business interests...in Georgia?

General Eisenhower warned about this. Perhaps it's time that the American people in the 21st century listened to him not a former prisoner of war who sat in a cell being tortured without any idea what was going on outside.

He still doesn't know what's going on outside.

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SandyH on August 17, 2008 at 12:59 PM

hey cactus, it sure took them long enough, I´ve known it all along

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neo_con on August 17, 2008 at 01:00 PM

I would like to remind everybody that since yesterdays "Rightwing Day" on our blog was such a succsess, we have decided to extend it into today. I hope you enjoy your day and suggest you visit Ann coulter, Michele Malkin and even Rush Limbaugh´s websites!

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neo_con on August 17, 2008 at 01:03 PM

Hybrid: Montana is a poster child for the medical non-care you have been talking about. Butte does not consider itself a rural area, but with 32,000 people, we are a major urban area only in Montana, where the entire state population is smaller than most cities in the East or the West Coast.
I have had decent medical care here, until the NPs were hired away by clinics on the Pacific Coast. My current NP will probably stay here forever because she is only competent, sort of. You literally have to wait until someone dies to get into see one of our few MDs, they are that booked up. We are about 5 doctors short on family practicioners, and the for really competent specialists you have to travel 2 hours to Missoula. Try that flat on your back in an ambulance sometime.
We also need to look at the discontinuous state of medical care. I have found that the NPs don't necessarily talk to the specialists who don't talk to them, and nobody listens to the patient.
I miss the days of the GPs, who may not have been the top surgeons in the country, but they knew everybody, talked to the specialists, listened to the patients, and among their other jobs acted as a clearinghouse for medical care. I really feel that this current state of affairs is only adding to the increased iatrogenic medical problems caused by medical specialists not talking to each other or to the family practicioner be they, MD, PAC, or NP.

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Butte on August 17, 2008 at 01:03 PM

"traditional values not republican thing

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 01:05 PM

I think sandyH is having another Hormonally induced hot flash.

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neo_con on August 17, 2008 at 01:05 PM

Posted by dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 01:05 PM

Who the heck rattled your cage?

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neo_con on August 17, 2008 at 01:07 PM

i through dan a cactus and neo con are Bigots, America hating fools and commies.


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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 01:07 PM

traditional values are not republican thing is very true all they care about is helping the rich that not christain

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 01:09 PM

"traditional values not republican thing

Posted by dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 01:05 PM


Hey you little illiterate whacko, you shouldn´t be preaching about "traditional values" to anyone, I suppose the the liberal idea of traditional values includes abortion, lesbo and faggots?

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neo_con on August 17, 2008 at 01:11 PM

helping the poor is a christain thing

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 01:12 PM

i dont belive in abortion or gat right s so go bug some else ima very inteligent person not wako like you

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 01:15 PM

Dan_A_Cactus dont you need docter for fat condition your at 350 pounds

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 01:16 PM

Posted by dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 01:12 PM


Traditional Values American style means that you first of all have to try and help yourself.
Liberals believe that first of all, put welfare in someones face, then they can help thems selves to welfare. get it? Or is that too friggen much for you? DUSTY?

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neo_con on August 17, 2008 at 01:16 PM

So where do McCain and the Republicans really stand? Wherever it will get them the most votes?

Ridge: GOP would accept abortion-rights VP


WASHINGTON - Former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge said Sunday he thinks Republicans would accept a vice presidential candidate who supports abortion rights.

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080817/ap_on_el_pr/ridge_abortion

Earlier this week McCain said he had no problem with a V.P. who is pro-choice. Then he tells Rich Warren's group that he was for banning abortions. Then Ridge says the GOP would be happy to run a pro-choice V.P. candidate to get Independents on the bandwagon.

Seems like someone is playing both sides to the middle.

I believe McCain is an opportunist. When asked in 2000 what he would do if his daughter came to him unwed and pregnant and needed an abortion...he said he'd support her in whatever choice she made.

He's against abortion for eveyone else but his own daughter. That's his real stand about banning abortion.

It's a moral decison for some but a purely political decision for McCain and the rest of the GOP.

The Republicans have aborted just about everything good this country has ever done or stands for but still brazenly says they are pro-life?


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SandyH on August 17, 2008 at 01:16 PM

no they dont belive that you idiot and that not what god had i mind he told us to take of each other not fend for outself

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 01:19 PM

WASHINGTON – Former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge said Sunday he thinks Republicans would accept a vice presidential candidate who supports abortion rights

The key word is that he THINKS they would; as if a former Gov. has anything to say at all.

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neo_con on August 17, 2008 at 01:21 PM

heah necon that hater of everyone

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 01:22 PM

i dont belive in abortion or gat right s so go bug some else ima very inteligent person not wako like you

Posted by dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 01:15 PM


Somebody lied to you too.

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neo_con on August 17, 2008 at 01:23 PM

how is your ssi necon

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 01:24 PM

Dan_A_Cactus** and macain is any diffent get real cacass

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 01:25 PM

obama will beat macain by hug amout

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 01:27 PM

obama will beat macain by huge amout

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 01:27 PM

We don't have to. All we have to do is whisper our suspicions and spread rumors.Posted by SandyH on August 16, 2008 at 08:30 PM

That sounds like a conspiracy to take down and overthrow our legally elected government. that one goes into file SandyH.

Posted by neo_con on August 17, 2008 at 03:38 AM

So you are putting it into the Bush/Cheney impeachment file? That's how they have been operating to start unnecessary war and out CIA agents.

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SandyH on August 17, 2008 at 01:28 PM

obama will beat macain by huge amout

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 01:29 PM

macain will get 39 and obama will have 61

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 01:29 PM

i hope obama become president

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 01:34 PM

So they feel they are going to be made to live by the same rules as everybody else? That's just not fair.

Group wants to attack Obama on abortion

By LARRY O'DELL, Associated Press Writer

RICHMOND, Va. - A group purporting to tell the "real truth" about Barack Obama's views on abortion wants a judge to rule it is not subject to federal election restrictions on fundraising and advertising.

The Real Truth About Obama Inc., a group formed by anti-abortion activists, is trying to establish a Web site and air radio ads. But the group's attorney says his clients fear they will be prosecuted for breaking federal rules that restrict fundraising and advertising by political action committees, or PACs.

The Richmond-based group argues it is not a PAC because it would be talking about an issue, not advocating Obama's defeat or election...

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080817/ap_on_el_pr/obama_abortion


Now what is the name of this group again? The Real Truth About Obama Inc.? Who do they think they are fooling? It's all about an issue not Obama? Sure.

Isn't it so opportunistic that when rich people need to get their way, they always use the court system to circumvent process. But they are for tort reform for the rest of us? Ha.

It's always the same with the Republicans. They only get creative about lying and bending the rules for themselves...not about solving any real problems facing the country.

What is the biggest problem in the country today according to Republicans? Running on the record. Hahahahahaha

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SandyH on August 17, 2008 at 01:44 PM

hello trolls

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 01:48 PM

Hi Dems.......

Interesting article in morning's paper "Mideast Sees Hypocrisy in US Stance"! What on earth makes Bush, Rice, McSame think they can tell Russia what to do in regards to Georgia, while they sit their illegal asses in Iraq, killing off our troops to do it!!!

Do they think anyone in the world admires or is listening to them? They are laughing stocks and have made our country the same. You wantch the Olympics and how the other countries cheer and pull for the other competitors against the US! There is no more of that "Oh, I wish I could move to America "out of anybody.

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PamB on August 17, 2008 at 01:50 PM

The trolls are becoming more shrill every day and they are a pain in the ass spewing republican bullshit.

When are the stupid republican voters going to get it and think for themselves.

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Johne on August 17, 2008 at 01:51 PM

test

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patti on August 17, 2008 at 01:52 PM


this is also why no photos of dead US troops being brought home to rest in peace.

"If we let people see that kind of thing, there would never again be any war": Pentagon official explaining why the U.S. military censored graphic footage from the Gulf War

some more good ones that define Republicans.


The true hypocrite is the one who ceases to perceive his deception, the one who lies with sincerity": André Gide

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"Integrity is telling myself the truth. And honesty is telling the truth to other people": Spencer Johnson

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"Every violation of truth is not only a sort of suicide in the liar, but is a stab at the health of human society": Ralph Waldo Emerson

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"Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime": Ernest Hemingway

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PamB on August 17, 2008 at 01:52 PM

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GregL on August 17, 2008 at 01:57 PM

Thought Obama did well in the Faith Forum last night, for a forum he should not have had to go to and defend his faith to.

McCain, the adulterer said just what that audience wanted to hear! That one little micro started at joining of sperm and egg is a full fledged baby and has every right that any citizen of the USA has!
His remark on Destroy Evil shows what a small man who thinks with his little head, not his big one he is! God forbid one should try and compromise, no, just beat the shit out of it and think you have gained some kind of false respect! If you liked Neo Con Evil do-er Bush, you will love McSame !

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PamB on August 17, 2008 at 01:57 PM

Thank you you dimwitted criminal republican assholes.

"As soaring home prices set the stage for America's great housing meltdown, a critical step in making sure those home sales were a fair deal - the real estate appraisal - was undermined from within.

After the nation's last major banking disaster, Congress set up a system to catch rogue appraisers.

Their game: inflating the value of homes at the direction of equally unscrupulous real estate agents and mortgage brokers, whose commissions are determined by the size of the deals.

And despite ample evidence appraisers are pressured into inflating home values - sometimes to prices in support of loans that are more than buyers can afford - the federal regulators charged with protecting consumers have thus far made a conscious choice not to act.

Both state appraisal boards and the federal agency charged with overseeing them are chronically understaffed, many with only one full-time investigator to handle the hundreds of complaints that arrive each year. Some don't even have an investigator.'

More........

AP IMPACT: Weak rules cripple appraiser oversight

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Johne on August 17, 2008 at 02:02 PM

When

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GregL on August 17, 2008 at 02:05 PM

The trolls are becoming more shrill every day and they are a pain in the ass spewing republican bullshit.

When are the stupid republican voters going to get it and think for themselves.

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Johne on August 17, 2008 at 02:10 PM

testing

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 02:12 PM

Dim Witted Commie- da cactus

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 02:14 PM

dan a cactus is Creep, sorry ass

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 02:16 PM

hi pam

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 02:18 PM

wy do we have to read your gibberish, more gibberish, dan a cactass

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 02:20 PM

heah dan c cactus why is your posting so inportant for to read and trowup

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 02:22 PM

why is this sight being a peice of cactass

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 02:26 PM

Joining in the hard-line rhetoric, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice accused Russian President Dmitry Medvedev of failing to honor a promise to withdraw troops quickly from Georgia under terms of a cease-fire he signed Saturday.

"I hope this time he'll keep his word," Rice said after Medvedev announced the withdrawal would begin Monday.

bush lies all the time

Shadows of the Cold War emerged as the Bush administration struggled for the appropriate response to Russia's aggression against its smaller U.S.-backed neighbor, which Moscow ruled for most of the two centuries before the 1991 breakup of the Soviet Union.

Fighting broke out after Georgia launched a massive barrage Aug. 7 to try to take control of the separatist province of South Ossetia. The Russian army quickly overwhelmed Georgia's forces and drove deep into the country, raising fears that of a long-term Russian occupation.

Even AP says Georgia started the war. f**k you bush and shut up. It's none of your damn business what Russia does. Leave it up to the UN.

If Russia thought it was going to be able to bring down the Georgia state, bring down the democratic institutions, it has failed," Rice said. "What they've done instead is to bring down Russia's reputation as a potential and I want to emphasize potential partner in the international system."

rice is an idiot. bush and cheney have brought down America's reputation. And mclame as presidunce will just make it worse.

Russia's foreign minister said this past week that Georgia could "forget about" getting back the breakaway provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, which sympathize with Moscow. President Bush said over the weekend that Russia's vision of Georgia without those regions was a nonstarter and that Georgia's borders need to be respected.

F**K YOU BUSH! What happens in Georgia is none of your damn business.

US worries Russia returning to authoritarian past

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Johne on August 17, 2008 at 02:28 PM

ima the only person here

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 02:32 PM


why would serious journalists continue to pay homage to a form or leadership that they know doesn't work, impedes our future growth, and has derailed this country?

Posted by SandyH on August 17, 2008 at 11:07 AM

Sandy, I've recently come to a rude awakening about journalists in this country. They are a bunch of morons. They're still stuck in this mode of thinking that words are neutral and have only one meaning. That if a conservative says "freedom", it means the same thing as when a progressive says it. I think most of us here can attest to the fact that it probably doesn't. But journalists go on their merry way talking about issues from the conservative viewpoint because they don't question the underlying (and completely anti-American) assumptions that conservatives make. Journalists call it a "war on terror" without questioning how it can be a "war". I've always thought Al-Quaeda was more like a gang of thugs, more like the Mafia. So shouldn't we be arresting them? We arrested people the last time, and it seemed to work pretty well.


Obama replied to his questions with thoughtfulness and candor, and told it like it is. From what I saw he did much better than the pundits claimed.

Posted by Butte on August 17, 2008 at 11:58 AM

Yes, but don't forget how "sickening" it is that he participated in the first place. I mean, how DARE he speak with people of faith, because they are ALL so EVIL.

Ok, enough sarcasm...seriously, if you want an indication of how well Obama did, screw the pundits and listen to the audience. They applauded him at times when you would have thought that they would be booing. Now, I don't know how McCain did with that because I really couldn't bear to listen to another recitation of "my friends". So the applause may have been greater for him. :shrug: The thing is, Obama spoke as a progressive all the way through. He spoke of our responsibility to one another and to our government, and of government's responsibility to us.

Btw, does anyone know where I can get the last 15 minutes of the Obama portion, or the WHOLE thing in one video? CNN has the thing in four parts, and the second part is screwed up :(

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GregL on August 17, 2008 at 02:33 PM

Trolls eat shit.

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Johne on August 17, 2008 at 02:45 PM

Luke 10:17-20

17 The seventy-two returned with joy and said, "Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name."

18 He replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. 20 However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven."


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Esmeralda on August 17, 2008 at 02:58 PM

hello

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gregg on August 17, 2008 at 03:01 PM

ARGH!

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GregL on August 17, 2008 at 03:04 PM

Good Afternoon great dems, defenders of the constitution, defenders of American jobs, defender of god's green earth, the christlike ones who don't wear it on their sleve, the ones who oppose republican commie global corporate give aways, good afternoon the cream of the crop the democrats.

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newsjunkie on August 17, 2008 at 03:19 PM

yet another test

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Kathy_from_Indiana on August 17, 2008 at 03:29 PM

Good afternoon junkie,

You are in the right place. The republicans are drowning in their their own cesspool of lies and filth.

It won't be long now.

Goodness and family values always win in the end.

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Johne on August 17, 2008 at 03:32 PM

I hope DNC realizes we only have a week to go till the Convention, and they put all their efforts into the blog this week! It is still screwed up.

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PamB on August 17, 2008 at 03:39 PM

testing

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 03:40 PM

Dan_A_Cactus dont you need docter for fat condition your at 350 pounds

Posted by dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 01:16 PM

Hey Dusty just step on these parasites, 350 lbs. of blood that they sucked out of the good people is nothing but blood. Their blood sucking parasites. Like Johne said trools, or parasites as i like to call them eat shit.

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chassie on August 17, 2008 at 03:47 PM

On the night of 7/8 August, Georgian Armed Forces (backed by the USA) murdered 2.000 civilians in South Ossetia. This treacherous act of mass murder has been totally ignored in the western press and by the US leadership. We therefore present photographic evidence for the benefit of George Bush and Condoleeza Rice. Maybe now they will start mentioning the Georgian war crimes that started this sorry episode.

More.....................

Georgian War Crimes


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Johne on August 17, 2008 at 03:52 PM

Honk Honk Honk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Trolls, you know who they are, Cactus, Sally, Harpo, Neo Con, and many others, are parasites with many psychiatric disorders. Just spray on some bug spray, and ignore them.

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chassie on August 17, 2008 at 03:53 PM

I'm not Robert, never have been never will be. My name is Marvelous Marvin.

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chassie on August 17, 2008 at 03:56 PM

Cactus if you were 1/5 as smart as Pam B., Sandy H., Johne, Gregg, GreggL., Robert, Cal Dem., Marine, Bob from Virginia, Butte, Chicago, Dee Bee Doo, Jethro, Jen, Fade 2 Bluz, Kathy, and many many more it would be one hell of a good world to live in. Parasite.

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chassie on August 17, 2008 at 04:02 PM

The Dnc will have to ban all of you anyway when Hilary takes over because Obama drops like a rock in next weeks polls.

Posted by Dan_A_Cactus** on August 17, 2008 at 03:47 PM

Next weeks polls don't mean squat parasite, its what happens in Nov. that counts when we take control of America back to the American people. Jesus parasite i digress.

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chassie on August 17, 2008 at 04:06 PM

Whats your story going to be, parasite when we take control of the white house, the senate, and the house of reps? What are you going to do then? I guess you'll just fly fly fly away into the wild blue yonder!

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chassie on August 17, 2008 at 04:15 PM

They do when Hilary takes the vote at the convention dummy.

Posted by Dan_A_Cactus** on August 17, 2008 at 04:12 PM


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That will never happen you shit stirring parasite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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chassie on August 17, 2008 at 04:17 PM

Here we go again!

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Butte on August 17, 2008 at 04:23 PM

testing to see if dan c cactass is still here

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 04:28 PM

cactuss deam of fat lier himself and rush limpdick

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 04:32 PM

fat ass dac c cactass

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 04:33 PM

Commie ass hat parasite McSame will be exposed for the treasonous asshat that he is in the next 3 months, your the one dreaming. Like Johne said were Americans, and we ain't taking it no more, you know as your the same age as i am, kind of like Pop Eye the cartoon said, i have took all i can stand and i can stand no more, bang, bang, boom. We're eating Spinach and you don't even understand parasite.

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chassie on August 17, 2008 at 04:34 PM

fat ass dac c cactass

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 04:36 PM

Here we go again!

Posted by Butte on August 17, 2008 at 04:23 PM

O.K. Butte i can take a hint, i'll shutup.

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chassie on August 17, 2008 at 04:37 PM

comunist love parsites like dan c cactuss

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 04:40 PM

Dusty, Cactus is just a parasite riding on the back of others. Sorry Butte!

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chassie on August 17, 2008 at 04:47 PM

D

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GregL on August 17, 2008 at 04:53 PM

Yes Robert, you are a sorry excuse for a cartoon.

Posted by Dan_A_Cactus** on August 17, 2008 at 04:51 PM

Ignorance at its finest.

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chassie on August 17, 2008 at 04:53 PM

test

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patti on August 17, 2008 at 04:54 PM

I'm going to watch the games, parasite, bbl.

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chassie on August 17, 2008 at 04:55 PM

Posted by chassie on August 17, 2008 at 04:55 PM

Don't let the door hit you in the fat ass on the way out and don't come back, little boy.

Posted by Dan_A_Cactus** on August 17, 2008 at 04:58 PM

Caught this one on my way to the TV. Parasite, and you ain't getting the last word, as your psychiatric disorder, is telling you to do. I'm 63 five foot 11, weight 165, whats your weight, and height, and age, foolish one?

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chassie on August 17, 2008 at 05:07 PM

Oh and btw parasite, i have been noticing that you have been answering to parasite, at least you know that you are a parasite, Honk Honk Honk!!!!!!!

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chassie on August 17, 2008 at 05:14 PM


I do not think the DNC should invest any tme or money to this blog. I once enjoyed reading the comments before it became a childish name calling
playground.

Dusty and Chassie please refrain from commenting anymore. Chassie, we get it, you think all republicans are parasites. No need to post it 100 times. Dusty, we get it, you cannot form a complete sentence.

I liked the forum last night. I think both candidates did well. They are clearly different people with opposing views on a wide variety of issues. I don't think anyone can say this year that they will not vote because they are both the same.


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patti on August 17, 2008 at 05:31 PM

onw two three

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dusty2006 on August 17, 2008 at 05:55 PM

Here's one that just makes you grin from ear to ear folks. If you have not chosen a Democratic Candidate for Senate, (or Landrieu in LA) to help on their campaign, now is the time! 80+ days till election. Be part of the Change! Save this country if you love it.....


Forces Align Against Republicans in Senate Races
Saturday 16 August 2008

by: Julie Hirschfeld Davis, The Associated Press



Washington - Even the top Republican in charge of the party's Senate campaigns concedes that the GOP will lose seats this year - the only question is how many.

With President Bush's ratings at rock-bottom, fewer Republicans signing up to vote, and voters nationally gravitating toward Democrats in public polls, the GOP is bracing for defeats in November that will expand Democrats' now razor-thin 51-49 majority in the Senate.

Democrats have solid chances of winning five seats, according to strategists in both parties and public polls, and realistic shots at picking off another three to five Republican senators. Republicans have only one good opportunity for replacing a Democrat, in Louisiana.

http://www.truthout.org/article/forces-align-against-republicans-senate-races


We need 11 more, Dems. and then Lieberman is thrown to the curb, where he belongs!

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PamB on August 17, 2008 at 06:56 PM

No tension here, working man

We of course have our share of trolls. These little men came in after last 2006 election, full of sour grapes. Sore losers who just want to spew their hatred somewhere.

The rest of us are fine! Eagerly working already with local and state campaigns . Waiting for the phone banking and door to doors. Working on voter registrations.

I think in her gut, Hillary knows that should she pull off something at the Convention, there would not be one single bit of respect left for her, and any support she might have counted on would not materialize!

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PamB on August 17, 2008 at 07:05 PM


I am sure you have probably all seen these pictures of Bush at the Olympics, having to be carried out his seat, holding the flag upside down, etc, but the questions is, IS he drinking again? Sure looks like !
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/editorblog/112

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PamB on August 17, 2008 at 07:12 PM

The Democrats should pick up seats this time but it is unknown yet how big a drag Obama will be on voter turnout.

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Sally-* on August 17, 2008 at 07:14 PM


I do not think the DNC should invest any tme or money to this blog. I once enjoyed reading the comments before it became a childish name calling
playground.

Dusty and Chassie please refrain from commenting anymore. Chassie, we get it, you think all republicans are parasites. No need to post it 100 times. Dusty, we get it, you cannot form a complete sentence.

I liked the forum last night. I think both candidates did well. They are clearly different people with opposing views on a wide variety of issues. I don't think anyone can say this year that they will not vote because they are both the same.


Posted by patti on August 17, 2008 at 05:31 PM


Patti get off of my arse, you got no right to tell me to not comment on this blog, I've probably done more for the Dems in the last 40 years, then you could even dream of. And I'll post when i damn we'll feel like it. Are you trying to run off votes, if you are no wonder we keep loosing. And as far as the Dnc. investing more money to this blog, they have not been doing that for a long time, or the parasites, would not be here. And BTW i don't classify all Pugs as Parasites.

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chassie on August 17, 2008 at 07:24 PM

Why not every scientist worships at Darwin's feet

John Lennox

Next year marks the 150th anniversary of the publication of Charles Darwin's On The Origin Of Species. The momentous occasion will be celebrated with new books, articles, documentaries and editorials. One commentator has called for a public holiday in Britain to honour Darwin - the "humble Shrewsbury family man who changed the world forever".

For some, this anniversary celebrates the high point of human liberation from stultifying religion and superstition, our freedom from past theological "delusions". For others, it is more complicated.

The leading atheist Richard Dawkins, speaking of this God delusion, as he calls it, offers a succinct summary of Darwin's theory. "Given sufficient time, the non-random survival of hereditary entities … will generate complexity, diversity, beauty, and an illusion of design so persuasive that it is almost impossible to distinguish from deliberate intelligent design." The power of evolution to simulate the illusion of design, says Dawkins, is threatening to what he suggestively calls a "certain kind of mind". Mostly he means unscientific, naive or stupid.

But things aren't so simple. Scattered among the world's top scientists are those who do believe in a conscious intention behind nature's processes. I think of people such as Francis Collins, director of the Human Genome Project, and Professor Bill Phillips, winner of the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1997. The presence of such people poses awkward questions for the view that evolutionary theory and a sophisticated scientific brain lead inexorably towards atheism. There must be more to the so-called "science versus God" story than this.

Indeed, the fact that there are brilliant scientists who believe in God and brilliant scientists who don't makes it clear that the conflict is not a simplistic one between science and religion, but between opposing world views - naturalism and theism. Naturalism opposes supernaturalism and insists that the natural world exists without incursion from outside, or as Carl Sagan put it: "The cosmos is all there is, or was, or ever shall be." The theistic view finds expression in the opening words of Genesis: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Theism understands the universe not to be a closed system, but a creation, initiated and maintained by God.

The Genesis statement is a statement of belief, not a statement of science. This is precisely the case with Sagan's assertion as well. He is expressing a personal belief that emanates from a world view, rather than science. When we ask ourselves whether science has sounded the death knell of God, we are really asking: "Which world view does science support, naturalism or theism?"

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Next year marks the 150th anniversary of the publication of Charles Darwin's On The Origin Of Species. The momentous occasion will be celebrated with new books, articles, documentaries and editorials. One commentator has called for a public holiday in Britain to honour Darwin - the "humble Shrewsbury family man who changed the world forever".

For some, this anniversary celebrates the high point of human liberation from stultifying religion and superstition, our freedom from past theological "delusions". For others, it is more complicated.

The leading atheist Richard Dawkins, speaking of this God delusion, as he calls it, offers a succinct summary of Darwin's theory. "Given sufficient time, the non-random survival of hereditary entities … will generate complexity, diversity, beauty, and an illusion of design so persuasive that it is almost impossible to distinguish from deliberate intelligent design." The power of evolution to simulate the illusion of design, says Dawkins, is threatening to what he suggestively calls a "certain kind of mind". Mostly he means unscientific, naive or stupid.

But things aren't so simple. Scattered among the world's top scientists are those who do believe in a conscious intention behind nature's processes. I think of people such as Francis Collins, director of the Human Genome Project, and Professor Bill Phillips, winner of the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1997. The presence of such people poses awkward questions for the view that evolutionary theory and a sophisticated scientific brain lead inexorably towards atheism. There must be more to the so-called "science versus God" story than this.

Indeed, the fact that there are brilliant scientists who believe in God and brilliant scientists who don't makes it clear that the conflict is not a simplistic one between science and religion, but between opposing world views - naturalism and theism. Naturalism opposes supernaturalism and insists that the natural world exists without incursion from outside, or as Carl Sagan put it: "The cosmos is all there is, or was, or ever shall be." The theistic view finds expression in the opening words of Genesis: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Theism understands the universe not to be a closed system, but a creation, initiated and maintained by God.

The Genesis statement is a statement of belief, not a statement of science. This is precisely the case with Sagan's assertion as well. He is expressing a personal belief that emanates from a world view, rather than science. When we ask ourselves whether science has sounded the death knell of God, we are really asking: "Which world view does science support, naturalism or theism?"

One scientist views images captured by the Hubble telescope of the unimaginably large scale of the universe and remains convinced of the random nature of a godless existence. Another stares through a scanning tunnelling microscope at the unimaginably small and complex entities of molecular biology and feels compelled to worship the creator. It isn't the science itself that is definitive for the question of the divine.

The late evolutionary biologist Stephen Jay Gould wrote that science simply cannot "adjudicate the issue of God's possible superintendence of nature". For Gould, it was a mistake to apply scientific principles to questions of metaphysics.

In 2009, when the champagne is uncorked in celebration of Darwin's legacy, we might pause to consider the presuppositions we bring to the question of what his theory tells us about God. There are essentially only two options. Either the wonder of human intelligence ultimately owes its origin to mindless matter; or there is a creator. It remains a mystery to me why some people claim it is their intelligence that leads them to prefer the first to the second.

John Lennox is professor of mathematics and fellow in the philosophy of science at Oxford University. He is a visiting scholar of the Centre for Public Christianity. Tomorrow he will take part in an IQ2 debate on the statement "We'd be better off without religion", at 6.45pm in the City Recital Hall.

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Sally-* on August 17, 2008 at 07:39 PM

Working man,

I am having trouble today too. I find if I use preview all the posts show up. scroll to the bottom.

If I want to send a message I have to go back to the top of the page and click on blog.

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Johne on August 17, 2008 at 07:45 PM

a message to condoleza rice:

"Are you hysterical or what? Having a difficult menopause? How many times do we have to tell you, Russia calls the shots these days. So keep your hysterical whining to yourself and stop reiterating the same thing time and time again. Russia will withdraw from Georgia when it sees fit."

"And if it doesn’t see fit, it won’t. Russian troops will move around Georgia for as long as they like. As and when they like. As and when they choose. They will drive to the south if they please. They will push to the east and west if they choose to. And if they decide to go north, and then drive back south, so they will. And you will not be able to do a thing about it, will you? Except scream like a hysterical schoolgirl, the screams of someone who lost. And you are afraid of what? That Russia will discover how much your troops were involved in the act of butchery of 2.000 civilians in one night?"

Condoleeza Rice, what is wrong with you?

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Johne on August 17, 2008 at 07:52 PM

More about condoleza rice.

Russia responded to the massacre of 2.000 civilians by Georgian forces, backed by your advisors. Why have you not had the decency to mention that massacre even once?

And after Iraq, how do you expect to be taken seriously?

Do you honestly believe in yourself? You are a joke, an insult to the intelligence of humanity, an insult to the diplomatic community, and the worst sort of joker playing on the world stage at present. Perhaps you are the most hated US Secretary of State, the most ludicrous and ridiculous figure to have insulted international diplomacy and the most incompetent, insolent, useless waste of space ever to have occupied your office.

So once again, Russia calls the shots, you do not. Go commit more acts of terrorism in Afghanistan, go lie again about NATO expansion, go support your murderous acts of butchery, your Saakashvilis and Yuskchenkos, but please, do not expect us to take you seriously. Go give a medal to the great American heroine Lynndie England. Sterling job, what?

The author of this piece caught you out lying before you entered office some 8 years back. You haven’t changed, you never will.

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Johne on August 17, 2008 at 07:58 PM

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patti on August 17, 2008 at 08:03 PM

Posted by patti on August 17, 2008 at 05:31 PM I liked the forum last night. I think both candidates did well. They are clearly different people with opposing views on a wide variety of issues. I don't think anyone can say this year that they will not vote because they are both the same.

I enjoyed the forum also - it was a good attempt at try to change things up a bit and do something different.

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dorsano on August 17, 2008 at 08:07 PM

bush's legacy as spelled out in his resume.

•I attacked and took over 2 countries.
•I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the US Treasury.
•I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history (not easy!).
•I set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
•I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
•In my first year in office I set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history (tough to beat my dad's, but I did).
•After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history.
•I set the record for most campaign fund raising trips by any president in US history.
•In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.
•I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history.
•I set the all-time record for most real estate foreclosures in a 12-month period.
•I set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president, since the advent of TV.
•I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
•I cut health care benefits for war veterans.
•I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.
•I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
•I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history.
•Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (The poorest multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, had a Chevron oil tanker named after her for a while.)
•I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy.
•I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world.
•I am the first president in US history to order a US attack AND military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the vast majority of the international community.
•I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States, called the "Bureau of Homeland Security
•I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history (Ronnie was tough to beat, but I did it!!).
•I am the first president in US history to compel the United Nations remove the US from the Human Rights Commission.
•I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board.
•I removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.
•I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. I withdrew from the World Court of Law.
•I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
•I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors access during the 2002 US elections.
•I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
•The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
•I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.
•I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government.
•I took the world's sympathy for the US after 9/11, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
•I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
•I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
•I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.
RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
• I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine
(Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).
•I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during time of war.
•I refuse to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
•All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
•All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
•All minutes of meetings of any public corporation for which I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
•Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.

Original available at:
http://www.bordergatewayprotocol.net/jon/media/bush/

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Johne on August 17, 2008 at 08:09 PM

time to log off for the day. Not that I am able to get on much anymore.

Great day. Went to an Estate sale early morning, got some nice things, then met other daughter at a Peach Festival where there was a band, face painting, free peach sundaes, fruit to pick, hay rides , etc.

I am enjoying my grandkids so much, just like Jacque.

They are the reason I will contribute till it hurts, phone bank, door to door, register voters, LtEs, keep the media fair, deliver yard signs, etc.

If each of us do something, the wave will not be able to be stopped.

Keep the flame lit, as fade use to say!


Never give up, never give in. Not this time will we allow the slime balls to cheat, steal, and smear an election !

Night Dems.....

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PamB on August 17, 2008 at 08:34 PM

Oh, and watch for this !!


WASHINGTON (AFP) - US political junkies will be casting nervous glances at their mobile phones this week, with Democratic White House pick Barack Obama promising to name his running mate by text message and email.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080817/pl_afp/usvotevp

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PamB on August 17, 2008 at 08:36 PM

working man,

I use Firefox.com. It works better than Explorer for some reason.

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Johne on August 17, 2008 at 08:41 PM

Secretary Rice is doing exactly what she needs to do and build a consensus among other nations in the west to apply slow but steady pressure against Putin.

and sorry to disagree with you there, working, but Rice should keep her's and the US nose OUT OF RUSSIA and GEORGIA!


the entire world is laughing their ass off at the hypocritical BUSH, sitting his illegal ass in Iraq after invading where he had not right to be, and lying to the world, and HE thinks he should tell russia to get out of Georgia?

Come on, now, you see the hypocrisy in that don't you?

ps, Rice is a joke to the entire world. She has done NOTHING. A poor black female who hitched her wagon to the wrong party!


Now, night night, Dems.........

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PamB on August 17, 2008 at 08:42 PM


Goodnight Pam,

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Johne on August 17, 2008 at 09:00 PM

"Republican are un-patriotic, un-american liars who support baby killers, killers of pregnant womens and mass murderer."

That's rich coming from the abortion party!

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CHStuart on August 17, 2008 at 09:36 PM

Thanks John for the printable version of bushes "accomplishments" I'll make copies and pass them out everywhere. I noticed it doesn't mention stripping the mine regulators of any power to close down mines. Whats he's done to protected species. How he stripped the Consumer Product Safety Commission, the fema quagmire, I guess there is just too much bad stuff to mention.

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newsjunkie on August 17, 2008 at 09:38 PM

If 40 million women in America had abortions, there should be 40 million votes for the dems. Free Condoms in all public high schools will help bring down this number, also why do repub's always blame the girl not the boy? I think the men against abortion are really women haters. I can see them now, you had a miscarriage, you didn't eat right, go to jail. Oh yeah and like the jails are already full. These people don't want to solve or reduce abortion they want to hate as evidenced by the republican hate filled trolls that blog here.

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newsjunkie on August 17, 2008 at 09:43 PM

Where is the "religious" freak outrage at bush for killing over 1,000,000 innocent Iraqis and no telling how many thousands of women and children in Afghanistan. Just last week he killed 2,000 innocent Russians in South Ossetia.

Don't even start me on abortion. How many of those innocent women in Iraq, Afghanistan and Russia were pregnant?

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Johne on August 17, 2008 at 09:46 PM

How many convicts did bush execute when he was governor of Texas? How many were innocent and how many of those were black or hispanic?

I am willing to bet this was a disproportionate amount.

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Johne on August 17, 2008 at 09:50 PM

These executions involved the taking of a human life. These lives don't count to religious freaks just like the millions murdered in Iraq, Afghanistan and Russia.

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Johne on August 17, 2008 at 09:53 PM

The religious freaks are being snookered by george w. bush and they are too damn stupid to see through this alcohol addled individual. You are being used and are to damn stupid to see it.

While we are at it. You freaks don't give a damn about Jesus Christ because you don't give a damn about the poor or the homeless. You tell them to get a second or a third job and pull them up by their bootstraps. You are a bunch of selfish misguided individuals who don't deserve to call themselves religious or American.

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Johne on August 17, 2008 at 10:00 PM

You republicans call yourselves the party of family values, humpfh! What a laugh.

republicans have no values whatsovever and then have the audacity to accuse Democrats of having no family values. How many pedophiles are republican? How many homosexuals are republican? The republicans that are homosexuals desperately hide it and rail against homosexuals like a bunch of damn hypocrites and toe-tap their way through life in airport restrooms.

Never again say you are the party of family values. Give it a rest.

And while you are at it give the bullshit that Democrats are for abortion a rest too. Quit the damn lying. God you are misinformed.

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Johne on August 17, 2008 at 10:08 PM

Posted by Dan_A_Cactus** on August 17, 2008 at 04:58 PM Don't let the door hit you in the fat ass on the way out and don't come back, little boy.

Another McCain volunteer visits the DNC blog. Thank you for your service to our country.

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dorsano on August 17, 2008 at 10:23 PM

Whats your story going to be, parasite when we take control of the white house, the senate, and the house of reps?

Here is mine: first the economy came to a stand still because Obama and the democrat party have no grasp of what makes an economy grow. For those of you in the democrat party that would be profits. Second, unemployment rose because the dems kept raising the minumum wage rate and now companies are laying off workers and generaly not hiring becaue the cost of employment is too high. Third, more and more companies are now moving off shore becaue of the above mentioned problems plus the Dems raised the capital gains tax which casued corporate investment to decline. Oh shit! Did I mention drilling? Well the dems are not going to go for any domestic drilling so gas is now $6 a gallon and growing, but dont worry Obama says that the new wind mills will be up to 60% capacity soon.

Ok, this is too easy and I dont have enough time or patients to point out how fucked up our county and the world would be if the modern day dems get control of it all. Lets just say that Obama could actually make Jimmy Carter look not so bad!


www.chstuart.com

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CHStuart on August 17, 2008 at 10:41 PM

CHStuart, you are dumb as Iraq. Bush has been losing jobs since 2002 the dems raised the minimum wage in the middle of 2007. Wake up and smell the facts. Whats with you people, can you not take something you hear and apply logic to it. The teamsters back Obama, the teamsters support labor, you know people that use their hands, and backs, you know the working class we used to have before bush gave our jobs to china, with free trade, low taxes so they could get cheap commie labor. No one has raised the capital gains tax since bush lowered it and I find it hard to believe that you ever made a capital gain in your life. I bet you don't even know what a capital gain is. God you people are dumb as rocks.

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newsjunkie on August 17, 2008 at 10:55 PM

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patti on August 17, 2008 at 10:55 PM

Good evening, all.

Posted by GregL on August 17, 2008 at 02:33 PM

GregL,

Right you are. They're not jounalists.

They operate out of safe little newsrooms and are paid literally millions of dollars to look attractive...while they look the other way. Any remotely curious person who had been trained to pursue the facts would wonder why things don't add and rebel in this sort of set up.

But these pampered and spoiled media whores find cold, hard reporting beneath them. They wait for others to come to them with their lies.

What passes for news today is a bunch of paid, specially-trained spokespersons from special interest groups sitting around discussing their own copy points with celebrity "communicators". They are as big a frauds as the fascist conservative think tanks that came up with this idea of orchestrating The Big Lie.

Journalists seek the truth. They don't comment on rumors and unsubstantiated rumors. They insist on at least two sources before even considering breaking as story. They don't pass off "commentary" as facts.

The airways have been filled so long with these media gossips who have relinquished their responsibility to inform the public that nobody cares about the truth. This is how democracies die...not with tanks but with indifference.

The national "conversation" has become so vile and insulting that people of good will are repulsed even as they are fascinated by it. So is the work of the devil dished out every day in America.

It's pure propogranda. It's not even entertaining. McCain personifies what is wrong...he's a blithering fool wandering around in search of something worthwhile to say.

America has lost its way. But there are signs that voters may have discovered something (all on their own) that they find important.

The Truth.


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SandyH on August 17, 2008 at 11:22 PM

Posted by Johne on August 17, 2008 at 10:00 PM

What Jesus would do is not really the concern of the Religious Right. They have all the answers that He didn't...in their opinion.

Posted by newsjunkie on August 17, 2008 at 10:55 PM

newsjunkie,

No wonder we no longer produce capital in this country. The natives don't know there are capital gains to be made?

Maybe if the freakin' conservatives understood that you can't give away your equity without risking the entire principal, they'd
stop manipulating what's left of the equity in the country (that they didn't ship overseas) and start investing it back into creating something of value here at home.

Bob Herbert had an interesting column about that today. He was comparing the death of the British Imperialism with what's happening today with American Globalization.

Nationalism has nothing to do with it? Bush as a man of the world? Hahahahahah. His Middle Eastern Empire collapsed into a banana republic even before he could siphon out a drop of their oil.

Just a passing thought. Do you think Putin could be buying up our worthless IOUs from China?

Good night, all.

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SandyH on August 17, 2008 at 11:51 PM

Johne,

You can't save them from themselves. Pray for the brainless and hope God will have mercy.

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SandyH on August 17, 2008 at 11:53 PM

?

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Butte on August 17, 2008 at 11:58 PM

Goodnight Sandy.

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Johne on August 18, 2008 at 12:03 AM

At least I will give credit to CHStuart for articulating a position, compared to the rouge trolls here who can only cut and paste and call names. Maybe if CHStuart were open to listening to some facts he/she would think differently. After all saying that the dems will ruin the country is a joke. My brother in law said, "The dems could ruin the country" and then he started laughing as he realized how rediculous that statement was considering the damage the bushies/republican congress has done.

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newsjunkie on August 18, 2008 at 12:09 AM

Posted by CHStuart on August 17, 2008 at 10:41 PM Here is mine: first the economy came to a stand still because Obama and the democrat party have no grasp of what makes an economy grow.

Beginning with FDR, Democratic leadership in our country built the largest economy in the world, the largest job creation engine, the largest middle class.

Go ahead and fight to change things around -

Bring us back to way things were.

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dorsano on August 18, 2008 at 12:54 AM

Posted by CHStuart on August 17, 2008 at 10:41 PM Lets just say that Obama could actually make Jimmy Carter look not so bad!

That's profound. I hope John McCain picks up on this.

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dorsano on August 18, 2008 at 12:58 AM

Posted by SandyH on August 17, 2008 at 11:51 PM Good night, all.

Good night, Sandy.

I'm not gonna jinks the Cubs and predict that they will win the world series - we've already got a bunch of jinks we're trying to figure out how to unjink

But if they do happen to win, can Cubs fans still come and visit St. Louis?

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dorsano on August 18, 2008 at 01:02 AM

Posted by CHStuart on August 17, 2008 at 10:41 PM Ok, this is too easy and I don't have enough time or patients to point out how fucked up our county and the world would be if the modern day dems get control of it all.

I understand how you feel. This is a lost cause. There are a lot better ways to help John McCain than trying to convince block liberals to change their ways.

Wether you are a doctor or dentist though I hope you get more patients because regardless of which party you belong we all need to make a living.

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dorsano on August 18, 2008 at 01:35 AM

I'm an American, chstuart. Let me know when ever you think I'm out of line.

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dorsano on August 18, 2008 at 01:57 AM

This is for Pammy who is always extolling the virtues of muslamism.


Saudi girl executed for becoming Christian

A young girl in Saudi Arabia was brutally executed by her Muslim father this week after he learned his daughter had converted to Christianity.

Middle East business news website Zawya.com reported that the man, who is a prominent member of a "virtue committee," first cut out his daughter's tongue and held a one-sided religious debate with her. He then burned his daughter alive.

Observant Muslims hold that their Prophet Mohammed taught that Muslims who convert to any other religion must be killed, often in extremely brutal fashion.

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Sally-* on August 18, 2008 at 03:21 AM

Seattle Super Toilets Sell for 0.25% of Original Cost

Seattle has finally gotten a return on the $5 million it invested in space-age public toilets, which actually resulted in even more bums crapping in the streets, but did prove useful to prostitutes and drug-dealers. The toilets sold to a race track owner for $12,500, 0.25% of their original cost.

Yet bureaucrats continue to insist that they can spend your money more wisely than you can.

A surcharge was added to Seattle sewer bills to finance this boondoggle. Don't count on it being repealed right away. A phone tax imposed in 1898 to help pay for the Spanish-American war wasn't repealed until 2006.

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Sally-* on August 18, 2008 at 03:40 AM

This is very truthful and funny.

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Sally-* on August 18, 2008 at 03:45 AM

Your ChiCom un-Olympic moment of the day
August 18, 2008 12:15 AM

The Olympic creed turned on its head again by the ruthless ChiComs. Damned, damned shame:

Beijing’s ruthless demand for perfection was highlighted when Tan Zongliang was made to squirm on China Central Television after missing out in the men’s 50m pistol competition.

Even though it was his first ever Olympic medal, he was harried until he bowed his head and admitted he had “let his country down” for not getting gold.

His grilling goes against the central belief of International Olympic Committee founder Pierre de Coubertin, who stated: “The important thing is not to win, but to take part.”

…In the interview, a CCTV journalist asked Tan: “In your first shot you only got 7.9 points. What is the reason for this?”

“I was maybe a little bit anxious,” the 36-year-old replied, before adding: “Overall my performance was fine.”

“But you came into the finals leading on points,” the reporter chipped away. “The result really is a shame. Feel bad?”

The reporter continued the grilling until Tan lowered his head and apologized to his motherland.

He said: “I have been doing this sport for 23 years. I have been nurtured by my country in that time. I have let my country down.”

***

Related from ESPN…an encounter with one of the Chinese gymnasts. Sad:

For a few brief moments, it was as if a curtain had parted. We had one of China’s young — perhaps too young — Olympic gymnasts alone.

Yang Yilin, through no fault of her own, has been one of the stories of these games because of questions about whether she and two other gymnasts on the Chinese team are old enough to compete. China insists they are, but that hasn’t erased the doubts that they may be under the minimum age of 16.

Now we had our chance to find out more, to get a close-up look at this 4-foot, 11-inch figure of controversy, as she waited for her medal-winners’ news conference to begin.

…What emerged was a picture of a young girl who has been kept largely cut off from family and the outside world for more than a year, so she could be intensely trained to win medals for China at its own Olympics.

Were your parents here to see you compete, among the cheering crowds?

“I don’t know.”

When was the last time you went home?”

“Ummm … before I joined the national team,” Yang said, her small voice hard to hear.

When was that?

“More than a year ago.”

Will you go on holiday after the games?

“I don’t know.”

How many holidays do you get a year?

“I have not had a holiday since I joined the national team.”

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Sally-* on August 18, 2008 at 04:26 AM

Are you going to be at mile high?Denver 08 The Democratic National Convention, coming to Denver Aug. 25-28, 2008, is already shaping up to be one of the biggest events in the Mile High City’s 150-year history.Only One More Week To Go     

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kickingass08 on August 18, 2008 at 04:27 AM

ima i all by my self in here this morning

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dusty2006 on August 18, 2008 at 05:04 AM

test

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dusty2006 on August 18, 2008 at 05:15 AM

Whew - CH - you are one screwed up mess... but keep posting. It makes your party look just that more out of touch.

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Kathy_from_Indiana on August 18, 2008 at 07:38 AM

testing

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virgo1 on August 18, 2008 at 07:52 AM

Are you people going to let me in? You don`t seem to have a problem with neo`s!

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virgo1 on August 18, 2008 at 07:54 AM

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YouAllSuck on August 18, 2008 at 08:25 AM

Morning Dems.....

Guys like CH Stuart should be shown in Webster's Dictionary next to the definition of "Ignorance"!

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PamB on August 18, 2008 at 08:29 AM

Good morning virgo and kathy,

virgo, the blog is still a little screwed up but they are working on it.

kathy, this is my message for CH.

He is obviously he is a worshipper on the altar of raygunism and greed. raygun's policies are a total failure just like both bush's. When are the American people going to see through these phonies?

The rise in unemployment has nothing to do with the minumum wage. If people have money they spend it on the products these cheap companies produce. Get a clue.

The cost of employment is high because companies provide health care and they have to pay for the employers share of Social Security. One solution is to have universal health care. "Oh my, a few illegals may get free health care, we can't have that". "We can't have that". I demand Universal Health Care and I am tired of you bastards deriding it as "socialism".

More companies are now moving off shore becaue the "free" trade agreements passed by the neocon congress. We need "fair trade" agreements.

Neocons think oil bubbles up from the center of the earth, ala rush limpballs. They are too stupid to know anything about geology yet they profess that they know it all.

Oil IS running out and we must produce alternate fuels and energy. Of course the moron neocons have shot down every alternate energy bill the Dems have proposed despite the fact that the alternative energy choices would bring millions of jobs and prosperity to the working man. Don't you see it?

I happened to accidently tune in to that moron cunningham on the radio. He is even more hateful than hannity and limpballs if that's possible. He says the Dems have let in all these illegals who are taking our jobs, our health care and our education system. I beg to differ. Your buddy raygun provided amnesty to 2,000,000, that's a 2 with 6 zeros after it. And raygun was a republican. The other 10,000,000 were let in by the republicans. Do you conveniently forget that fact that we have been cursed by republicans moron presidents 27 of the last 35 years. The "conservatives" are the morons that let them in.

And while I am at it how about providing free college to anyone who wants an advanced education.
Denmark and Germany do it as well as many other countries. We are too damn cheap. When the moron raygun became governor of California in 1967 the University of California had free tuition. raygun ended all that saying "why should I pay for someone else's education". Enough said, raygun was a cheap bastard republican and we are paying for it today. We have been dumbed down as a nation because of the greedy and stupid conservatives.

The policies of these moron republicans brought us the Prohibition in the 1920's, the Great Republican Depression of 1929, the meltdown of the savings and loan industry which provided loans on a local basis to home buyers. Remember the movie with James Stewart. Now thanks to the republicans , we are free falling into the Great Republican Depression of 2009.

Have a good day CH.

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Johne on August 18, 2008 at 08:34 AM

Morning Pam.

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Johne on August 18, 2008 at 08:35 AM

This is for guys like CH Stuart, and the rest of the trolls, who are too blind to know that they vote against themselves over and over !


A Day in The Life of Joe Republican

Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.

All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance -- now Joe gets it, too.

Joe prepares his morning breakfast; bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and the amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.

Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air.

He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union.

If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FDIC (or the NCUA, if he's part of a credit union) because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe also forgets that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he attended a state funded university.

Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards to go along with the tax-payer funded roads.

He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans.

The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.

He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.

Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."

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PamB on August 18, 2008 at 08:45 AM

Furthermore the stupid republicans refused to sign on to the League of Nations in 1920. By not signing up and joining the rest of the world to stave off future wars, they made it possible for Hitler to come to power. A treaty they later proposed was for the destruction of our army and navy. Then they reduced our army to 100,000 and sunk most of our beloved navy.

And these ignorant red necks republicans have the audacity to say that Bill Clinton destroyed our navy.

I have one message for the neocons. GO TO HELL!

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Johne on August 18, 2008 at 08:47 AM

Oh, Stevie, such compassion for the Chinese athletes who have not had any holidays or time with their families.

What do you think these people would be doing with their lives, had not the government chose them to train for athletics? Probably working in a rice paddy. The well-to-do Chinese do not have children in those Government run day care centers where the Chinese go and select them. These children's parents WANT them in these sports. Did you not hear the story of one girl who wanted to quit, called her parents and they told her "NO, stay, because we have a nice home now given to us by the Government"! We are well taken care of now."

So don't feel too too bad !

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PamB on August 18, 2008 at 08:52 AM

Pam,

That post is really good. You should write a book. You obviously have the talent. It would be a best seller.

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Johne on August 18, 2008 at 08:52 AM

ahhh, if only Bush and Cheney had the honor to just quietly go away! And if Musharraf was the US ALLY IN THE WAR ON TERRORISM, God help us all! (You saw McCain bluster how he was going to capture Bin Laden, huh? Let's see him do it with a new President in place!)

President Musharraf of Pakistan Resigns


ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Under pressure over impending impeachment charges, President Pervez Musharraf announced he would resign Monday, ending nearly nine years as one of the United States’ most important allies in the campaign against terrorism.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/19/world/asia/19pstan.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

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PamB on August 18, 2008 at 08:55 AM

Got to walk the dogs then go to town to see if my contractor is working. The contractors are starting to feel the effects of bush's economy. We had about twelve bidders on this small sewer job I will be starting soon.

We usually only have a couple of bidders on any job because the work is there. Money must be drying up and the cities are feeling the pinch.

Vallejo California is going belly up. They are laying off most of their police force it is so bad. Wasn't it Bill Clinton who put 100,000 policemen on the street and wasn't it bush who promptly cut the cord and cancelled the program?

Every day recently on the New York TV news feed I hear about murders in New York City. Sometimes there is only one a day and sometimes there are multiple murders. Most of these crimes are gun related. Go figure.

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Johne on August 18, 2008 at 09:04 AM

From Daily Kos !

McCain LIED about his little stories during the Faith Forum!!!!! Let everyone know this, folks.
Especially those easily manipulated folks who bought this hook, line, sinker!

"Cross in the Dirt" story stolen from Solzhenitsyn (updated X3)

I was watching the forum last night and decided that since I hadn't eaten yet, I would try to listen to John McCain speak. I was doing OK with the "my friends" and the evil chuckle when I heard him talk about his POW story of the cross in the dirt. That was when I couldn't take it anymore.

rickrocket's diary :: ::
It just sounded so fake and so contrived, so I did a little research about it. Someone on here said it sounded like a scene from Ben-Hur, so I did a google search about Ben-Hur and cross in the sand and such. No dice. But I searched around a little bit more and here is what I found. A story about Alexander Solzhenitsyn from his times in the Soviet Gulags.

Along with other prisoners, he worked in the fields day after day, in rain and sun, during summer and winter. His life appeared to be nothing more than backbreaking labor and slow starvation. The intense suffering reduced him to a state of despair.

On one particular day, the hopelessness of his situation became too much for him. He saw no reason to continue his struggle, no reason to keep on living. His life made no difference in the world. So he gave up.

Leaving his shovel on the ground, he slowly walked to a crude bench and sat down. He knew that at any moment a guard would order him to stand up, and when he failed to respond, the guard would beat him to death, probably with his own shovel. He had seen it happen to other prisoners.

As he waited, head down, he felt a presence. Slowly he looked up and saw a skinny old prisoner squat down beside him. The man said nothing. Instead, he used a stick to trace in the dirt the sign of the Cross. The man then got back up and returned to his work.

As Solzhenitsyn stared at the Cross drawn in the dirt his entire perspective changed. He knew he was only one man against the all-powerful Soviet empire. Yet he knew there was something greater than the evil he saw in the prison camp, something greater than the Soviet Union. He knew that hope for all people was represented by that simple Cross. Through the power of the Cross, anything was possible.

Solzhenitsyn slowly rose to his feet, picked up his shovel, and went back to work. Outwardly, nothing had changed. Inside, he had received hope.

[From Luke Veronis, "The Sign of the Cross"; Communion, issue 8, Pascha 1997.]
So, it is very interesting that Mr. Solzhenitsyn and Mr. McCain had the same Christian guard/prisoner experience. Or maybe it is all just a made up story. Somehow I doubt that Alexander Solzhenitsyn heard John McCain's story and copied it.

UPDATE: This story was actually excerpted from "The Gulag Archipelago" by Alexander Solzhenitsyn, which was released in the US in 1973.

UPDATE X2: It seems that McCain is a bit of a Solzhenitsyn fan, as evidenced in his article in the NY Sun here. Thanks to Turing for the link.

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PamB on August 18, 2008 at 09:25 AM

Johne, I cannot take credit for the Day in Life of Joe Republican! But it is a good eye opener for those little men who come in here, voting with their wallets, who do not understand how they vote over and over against themselves!

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PamB on August 18, 2008 at 09:45 AM

ahhhh, fat dan, aka Joe cholla,

You NEVER, ever read the evidence provided with these stories do you little man? That might PROVE you were on the wrong side, and that all Republicans are LIARS!!!


Go sit on your tenement steps with your bottle and leave the governing to the grown ups!

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PamB on August 18, 2008 at 11:05 AM

PamB I love your Day in the Life of a Republican Story - that one needs to go global, good luck, maybe Huffington Post will let you do it there.

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newsjunkie on August 18, 2008 at 01:31 PM


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