Good help America!

Posted by WestHartford on September 5, 2008 at 07:17 PM

At least he did the job himself. Sarah Palin hired a city manager to do the work when she was mayor of Wasilla.

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Arctic Sees Massive Gain in Ice Coverage

By Michael Asher, Daily Tech

Data from the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) has indicated a dramatic increase in sea ice extent in the Arctic regions. The growth over the past year covers an area of 700,000 square kilometers: an amount twice the size the nation of Germany. With the Arctic melting season over for 2008, ice cover will continue to increase until melting begins anew next spring.

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The data is for August 2008 and indicates a total sea ice area of six million square kilometers. Ice extent for the same month in 2007 covered 5.3 million square kilometers, a historic low. Earlier this year, media accounts were rife with predictions that this year would again see a new record. Instead, the Arctic has seen a gain of about thirteen percent.

William Chapman, a researcher with the Arctic Climate Research Center at the University of Illinois, tells DailyTech that this year the Arctic was “definitely colder” than 2007. Chapman also says part of the reason for the large ice loss in 2007 was strong winds from Siberia, which affect both ice formation and drift, forcing ice into warmer waters where it melts.

Earlier predictions were also wrong because researchers thought thinner ice would melt faster in subsequent years. Instead, according to the NSIDC, the new ice had less snow coverage to insulate it from the bitterly cold air, resulting in a faster rate of ice growth.

Most concern has focused on the Arctic regions, rather than Antarctica. Recent research has indicated Antarctica is on a long-term cooling trend, for reasons which remain unclear. Earlier this year, concerns over global warming led the US to officially list the polar bear a threatened species, over objections from experts who claimed the animal’s numbers were increasing.

This election is not just about the incumbent John McCain. It's about all the incumbent Republicans, too. He is one of that Washington Elitist group.

If maverick Palin says that the Washington Elitists must go, then she's talking about them. Obama is the guy that was in the Illinois Senate for eight years.

And she's talking about herself. She (and her city administrator) went yearly to the Capitol to ask for hand outs for her little piece of the world from the Washington Republic Elitist while she was Mayor...to the tune of millions a year for a town of 6,000 people?

And who was in charge while she was doing it? The very Republican incumbents she now says were irresponsible...for giving her money for what she now says were unnecessary earmarks when those from other states got them.

Did you hear that the money for that Bridge To Nowhere went to Alaska after all? To pay for an access road to the Bridge To Nowhere... which is no longer going to be built.

Governor Palin is one of the biggest pork barrel politicians ever.

She's part of the the system that she says must go. And I agree with her wholeheartedly. Alaska has been one of the most corrupt states in the country since the Republicans took charge.

She's one of them...and she now under investigation.

Everyone seems so depressed and irritable in here, Could it be because you see everything slipping away?

I think so.

Some people get upset when the unemployment rate goes above 6%?

When the FDIC is borrowing money from the Social Security Trust Fund to pay for the waves of bank failures the Treasury Secretary says is just beginning?

When your home has been foreclosed.

When their child is being sent back for the third or fourth time to Iraq...or backdoored?

When the cost of everything from gasoline to eggs has skyrocked.

When your job is being outsourced and you are being asked to train the foreigner who will take it?

Etc. Ect.

God help America.

I think he had her killed.

Posted by Sally-* on September 5, 2008 at 06:43 PM

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Your one "EVIL CREWL SON OF A BITCH", FUCK YOU AND THE HORSE YOU RODE IN ON. Your lower then a snail.
Jack loved his wife immensely.

This is not a true Compassionate Republican, people. This is a genuine slimeball. No wonder his wife got rid of his sorry ass.

the trolls want to talk about anything but the state of the economy ( great jobs report today!), health care, the environment, international relations ( well condi is kissing up with the lockerbie murderer today ), the environment, the growing disparity between rich and poor....

obama will win. then the trolls will start telling us why that is good for the right wing like they did after the 06 elections....

The Sarah Palin Selection: Why McCain's Inexperienced Running Mate Falls Short of Meeting the Implicit Constitutional Qualifications For Vice Presidents

By JOHN W. DEAN

Friday, Sept. 05, 2008

In truth, the Vice President of the United States is important for only one reason: He or she will become President of the United States upon the death, incapacity or resignation of the President. Nine times in our history, vice presidents have succeeded to the presidency: John Tyler (1841), Millard Fillmore (1850), Andrew Johnson (1865), Chester A. Arthur (1881), Theodore Roosevelt (1901), Calvin Coolidge (1923), Harry Truman (1945), Lyndon Johnson (1963), and Gerald Ford (1974). Of course, the vice president also has a significant secondary role: It is he or she, acting with a majority of the Cabinet, who can declare the president incapable of carrying out the duties of the office, and then take charge - until the action is either ratified or rejected by a majority of the Congress. So far in our history, however, this has never occurred.

Given the fact that the 2008 GOP standard-bearer John McCain is seventy-two years of age, his selection of an inexperienced Vice Presidential running mate, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, has again focused attention on the process and procedures for selecting vice presidents - or, to put it more bluntly, the utter lack of process or procedures in selecting the person who is a heartbeat away from the presidency. McCain, not unlike others before him, selected a less than fully vetted running mate for political reasons. That is surely a concern for voters to think over in the upcoming election - but it raises a systemic concern, too, for the long run.

Consider this parallel: Does anyone believe that if John McCain were president and had selected Governor Sarah Palin under the Twenty-fifty Amendment to fill a vacancy in the vice presidency, Congress would have confirmed her? Not likely. In fact, it is even less likely that McCain would have even attempted to do so, for he would have embarrassed himself.

While the Constitution does not expressly set forth qualifications for the vice-presidency, it strongly implies them --- and Palin falls short.

How Our Constitutional Process for Selecting Vice Presidents Evolved

Our founders gave little thought to the vice presidential selection process. Initially, the candidate who placed second in Electoral College votes became vice president. While this worked for the first three presidential elections, the election of 1800 produced a tie in the Electoral College, between Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr (both of the same party), and although Burr was the announced candidate for vice president, when he came up with a tie vote, he refused to step aside, forcing the resolution of the contest in the House of Representatives, which proved to be a messy affair.

This clear flaw in the system was corrected by the Twelfth Amendment, which requires electors to vote separately for president and vice president. It was the Twelfth Amendment (adopted in 1804), along with the growth of political parties, that encouraged the pairing of candidates in the presidential election. Since then, the vice presidential selection process has evolved from party leaders' making the selection to the current system, under which the party's presidential nominee is given the power to select a vice presidential running mate.

The Twenty-fifth Amendment (adopted in 1967) indirectly codified the power of a candidate for president to select his vice president, for the Amendment states that when there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, "the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress." A Vice President, like a President, must be a natural born citizen, at least thirty-five years of age, and a resident of the United States for fourteen years.

Of course, Sarah Palin, McCain's running mate, meets the minimum constitutional requirements. But there also exists a clear subtext within the Constitution, and related statutes, that suggests that there are other, implicit qualifications for the Vice President, as well - qualifications as to which Governor Palin falls short. While this subtext is plainly not formally binding on either a presidential candidate or president, candidates and presidents have traditionally followed the implicit qualifications suggested by the Constitution.

The Twenty-fifth Amendment Suggests the Primary Qualifications for Vice Presidents: Be Equipped to Serve as President Starting, if Necessary, on Day One

I served as minority counsel to the House Judiciary Committee when the Committee was working on the Twenty-fifty Amendment. Accordingly, I recall well the difficult debates and discussions on how vacancies in the vice presidency should be filled. The procedures under discussion ranged from a special national election for the vice president, to a convening of the Electoral College to make the decision, to the selection of a vice president by the Congress.

The process that was actually settled on, as I mentioned earlier, codified the procedure that had evolved over the years, through which the candidate selected his running mate. In line with that procedure, presidents were similarly given the power to fill vacancies in the office of the vice president. But there was a crucial difference: Under the Twenty-fifth Amendment, presidents can only fill that office with the approval of a majority vote of both the House and Senate. Confirmation thus entails not only ratification by the public, but also scrutiny by political pros who assure Americans that the new vice president is up to the task of taking charge.

Twice, the Twenty-fifty Amendment has been employed to fill a vacancy in the vice presidency. Nixon appointed Gerald Ford to fill the office when Vice President Spiro Agnew resigned (under threat of indictment). Then, after Nixon resigned, and Ford succeeded to the presidency, Ford used it to appoint Nelson Rockefeller his Vice President.

Both Nixon and Ford explained their decisions, and the criteria at the top of their lists. Nixon wrote in RN: Memoirs of Richard Nixon that from "the outset of the search for a new Vice President I had established four criteria for the man I would select: qualification to be President; ideological affinity; loyalty and confirmability." (Emphasis added.) Nixon's first choice was his Secretary of Treasury John Connally, who was dropped because he would have confirmation problems. (Connally was, in fact, later indicted but acquitted.) New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller and California Governor Ronald Reagan were taken off Nixon's list because the selection of either one over the other would have split the Republican Party. Finally, also on the list was Jerry Ford, the Minority Leader of the House, on whom Nixon settled.

Ford explained in A Time To Heal: The Autobiography of Gerald R. Ford that he had given considerable thought to filling the vice presidency when he became president, and his staff developed a ranking system. "There was one overriding criterion," he wrote to explain his baseline: "[H]e had to be a man fully qualified to step into my shoes should something happen to me."

Ford's top aides eliminated George H. W. Bush, who had served in the House of Representatives and headed the Republican National Committee, "as not yet ready to handle the rough challenges of the Oval Office." And when Ford settled on one of the wealthiest men in America, Nelson Rockefeller, it resulted in protracted confirmation hearings because of the extent of Rockefeller's holdings (which might have raised conflicts of interest). But in the end, Rockefeller was confirmed.

Congress Has Also Suggested Vice Presidential Qualifications Indirectly In the Succession Statutes It Has Passed

The Twenty-fifth Amendment only covers succession to the presidency or vice presidency when one of these offices is vacant - not both. It is silent if there are vacancies in both of the offices of the President and Vice President. The scenario of concurrent vacancies has, however, been addressed by Congress, most recently in a 1947 law.

The line of succession to the presidency begins with the Speaker of the House of Representatives (currently, Nancy Pelosi of California). Next is the President pro tempore of the Senate (currently, Robert Byrd of West Virginia). Finally, if neither of these officers is willing or able to take the post, the succession law turns to the President's Cabinet members.

The current order of succession is Secretary of State (currently, Condoleezza Rice), Secretary of the Treasury (Henry Paulson), Secretary of Defense (Robert Gates), Attorney General (Michael Mukasey), Secretary of the Interior (Dirk Kempthorne ), Secretary of Agriculture (Edward Schafer), Secretary of Commerce (Carlos Gutierrez, who was born in Cuba, and thus not "natural born"), Secretary of Labor (Elaine Chao, who was born in Taiwan, and thus not "natural born"), Secretary of Health and Human Services (Mike Leavitt), Secretary of Housing and Urban Development (Steven Preston), Secretary of Transportation (Mary Peters), Secretary of Energy (Samuel Bodman), Secretary of Education (Margaret Spellings), Secretary of Veterans Affairs (James Peake) and Secretary of Homeland Security (Michael Chertoff). Under the succession statute, the presidency is filled for the remainder of the president's term.

Although this 1947 succession statute has been appropriately criticized, Congress has been reluctant to change it. The Congressional consensus has been that if there is a dual vacancy in the Executive branch's elected officials, it should be temporarily filled by a seasoned elected official from the Legislative Branch. In practice, while the full line of succession has been stipulated, it is unlikely that we will ever need to go beyond the Speaker of the House to fill the vacancy temporarily.

If neither the Speaker nor the President pro tempore is up to the task of serving, Congress has been comfortable with the caliber of appointees serving as Secretaries of State, Treasury, or Defense to serve as temporary president - for no one believes (absent a dramatic situation such as a massive attack on the seat of government that would call into force continuity-of-government plans) that the succession process would ever proceed beyond the "big three" Cabinet posts.

Governor Sarah Palin Does Not Qualify Under the Implicit Constitutional Standards

When Nixon selected Ford to be his Vice President, and Ford selected Rockefeller, the government was divided, with the Democrats controlling Congress. Yet a Democratic Congress approved both Ford and Rockefeller to be Vice President based on inter-branch comity. Surely no one would argue that Sarah Palin is in a league with Ford and Rockefeller when it comes to experience.

Nor does Palin possess anything close to the experience qualifications of the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, or the President pro tempore of the Senate, Robert Byrd. Indeed, I feel confident that Palin could not get confirmed for any of the top presidential succession posts, namely the posts of Secretary of State, Treasury and Defense. Palin's lack of qualifications have been widely noted. Newspapers from her state have raised questions of her qualifications.

Recently, I was in Alaska, just after Palin's name was first floated as a possible McCain running mate. Although I am not a Democrat, I gave a keynote speech at the Democrats' state convention. During my visit, a senior Democratic Party official said to me that he sure hoped McCain would select Palin, because based on his observation of her record Alaska, he opined that, : "She's screwing up Alaska big time, and she could probably assure defeat for McCain." His wish may be coming true.

John Dean a FindLaw columnist, is a former counsel to the president.

NO WAY, NO HOW, NO MCCAIN/PALIN

Posted by WestHartford on September 5, 2008 at 08:06 PM

Next thing you know you be saying your Smarter then John Dean. And have been a attorney for some dream president like McNuts/Palin.

What ever you say Sally, i got more important things to do then argue with a lowly, lowly snail.

I really enjoy the intelligent, thoughtful posts on this blog but...

This blog reeks of trolls lately. They must really feel threatened. Not surprising because that's the only way the GOP can get anyone elected right now by lying and attacking their opponents strengths. Or perhaps they are getting paid that high minimum wage to rat fuck this blog.

It cracks me up how the republicans accuse the democrats of doing exactly what they are doing. For example trying to make it look like Obama got to where he is because he is a celebrity but good grief any idiot should be able to see that this Palin is nothing but a tabloid celebrity which got McCain's campaign a lot of attention. No one even heard of her until now. Obama has been in the NATIONAL public spotlight for more than a week and has been examined by the media. Palin's 15 minutes of fame should be over soon, I hope. But never underestimate human stupidity, right Sally, Dan, et al? That's what the republican campaign is certainly counting on...the vote of the uninformed who are "mavericks" and just charge ahead and live by knee jerk reactions who fall for remarks from some cute little snarky soccer mom. I'm sure some of the dictators that have risen to power were quite the "mavericks" too.

Go ahead you trolls...attack and lie away and get your jolly's. I don't know why you bother because you'll never change our minds on this blog. We actually have some core values and believe in our party's principles.

Posted by gregg on September 5, 2008 at 07:55 PM the trolls want to talk about anything but the state of the economy (great jobs report today!), health care, the environment, international relations

I wouldn't mind them voting against their own interests if it didn't include my interests.

Seems a tough price to pay for smoking pot a few times 40 years ago.

Posted by chassie on September 5, 2008 at 08:14 PM

Evening chassie. A question just occured to me. Do you (or any of the other Dems on this blog) know: if John Dean (great post from him by the way) and Governor Dean are in anyway related?

�When the FDIC is borrowing money from the Social Security Trust Fund to pay for the waves of bank failures the Treasury Secretary says is just beginning?�

Why don't we allow individuals to roll their Social Security in to their own private retirement funds so that congress cannot spend it? That makes perfect since to me!

�Some people get upset when the unemployment rate goes above 6%?�

Why don�t we slash corporate taxes and cut taxes for small business to create meore jobs?

Posted by chassie on September 5, 2008 at 07:55 PM

Jack will ultimately see or hear about this bile. Do Republicans really think he won't take it into consideration when he make comments in the future?

It also shows just how much Republicans respect much less like women.

Every time one of these demented Republicans make such an offensive remark it comes back to haunt them. Sarah Palin's remarks this week will, too.

I still think its criminal that the rich old men in the GOP are using her to keep them from falling completely on their faces and then will blame it on her when they fail in November. She'll be lucky to get re-elected in 2010.

But since maybe all she's ever wanted to do in her life was be on TV it will all work out. After her performance at the convention, she's a shoe in to take over as the GOP's chief media pundit liar from the aging Baye Buchanan.

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Posted by marymac_memphis on September 5, 2008 at 08:35 PM Do you (or any of the other Dems on this blog) know: if John Dean (great post from him by the way) and Governor Dean are in anyway related?

If you mean John Dean, Nixon's Counsel - no - though they may be soul mates because he's calling for Bush to be impeached.

you know with miss congeniality coming on the scene it has me wondering just why the hell do alaskans get all this money??

(AP) It's the season for Alaskans to be rewarded just for living here and this year's take is extra sweet: $3,269, a record share of the state's oil wealth combined with a special cash payout to help with stratospheric energy prices.

"Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell announced Friday that every eligible man, woman and child will receive $2,069, thanks to this year's annual payment from the state's oil royalty program. On top of that, the checks will include an additional $1,200 from the state treasury to help offset soaring fuel prices."

i mean so it is a little rough living up there, who gives a shit? it's a little rough living in a lot of places....try east l.a. or the louisiana bayou or brooklyn but nobody throws those folks some mad money because their resources are being exploited...wtf?

Posted by CHStuart on September 5, 2008 at 08:40 PM Why don't we allow individuals to roll their Social Security in to their own private retirement funds so that congress cannot spend it?

Longevity risk for one - investment risk secondarily - but I do agree some portion of the trust should be invested in marketable securities outside the reach of the government (gradually - so as not to distort the market)

That makes perfect since to me!

Perfect is more complex I think.

Why don�t we slash corporate taxes and cut taxes for small business to create meore jobs?

Corporate taxes are taxes on corporat "profit" - they affect shareholders - the tax is already offset by deductions for capital investment.

Customers make jobs - not business - employees make doing buisness profitable

when you find a businees that can make money without customers - let me know.

Posted by gregg on September 5, 2008 at 08:45 PM you know with miss congeniality coming on the scene it has me wondering just why the hell do alaskans get all this money??

A windfall profit tax on oil company profits - that's what Obama proposed and McCain rejected because he knows Obama is a communist.

Posted by dorsano on September 5, 2008 at 08:42 PM

Thanks.
I have read all three of Mr. Dean's books on the subject of the Bush White House and they are all excellent. "Worse than Watergate" was my personal favorite. He and Dr. Krugman are two of my favorite authors. I totally agree that Bush needs to be impeached but more important, I think that he needs to be brought up on criminal charges (once he is out of office and can not get or give immunity) and tried for treason.

Posted by WestHartford on September 5, 2008 at 08:48 PM No one has any respect for John Dean, Republican or Democrat, just leftys that buy his name to use it.

:)

Who bought is name?

you find a businees that can make money without customers - let me know.

Posted by dorsano on September 5, 2008 at 08:48 PM

BEsides all of the good points that you made, we've been cutting taxes on corporations and corporate profits for the last 7.5 years and it has not created more jobs - it has had just the opposite effect and it has spurred the worst economy since the great depression.

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Posted by WestHartford on September 5, 2008 at 08:56 PM McCain remembers 1979, like many of us, and what a failure it was

Palin doesn't think so - she taxed oil profits herself and sent the proceeds to the people of Alaska. They love her.

Unfortunately, she also increased the price government in her city and turned a $0 debt into a $23 million debt

She's a bang up reformer though.

Posted by SandyH on September 5, 2008 at 08:41 PM

Sandy i'm getting to be a old man, but i'm not as old as McNuts, and i agree totally with everything that you said.

Good evening Mary_Mac.

Dems Michael Moore is on Larry King starting now if you don't know it.

Posted by gregg on September 5, 2008 at 08:45 PM

You don't hear Governor Palin turning down any hand outs from anywhere, but the rest of us in the other states are suppose to buck up and be self-reliant?

Posted by marymac_memphis on September 5, 2008 at 08:57 PM we've been cutting taxes on corporations and corporate profits for the last 7.5 years and it has not created more jobs - it has had just the opposite effect and it has spurred the worst economy since the great depression.

The last time we tried trickle down ecconomics is what brought on the Great Depression

It eventually brought on a generation of Democratic leadership and great leaps in prosperity.

So depending on how old you are you can take some comfort in that.

Chassie:
Thanks. I can't get to a television at the moment (well - not one with cable) but I will watch the re-run later tonight. I appreciate the reminder. I had seen the ads earlier this week and had forgotten. How are you tonight?

dors: I am hoping that we start with multiple generations of Dem. Leadership with this very election. I wonder if this great country could endure another four years of economic recession (and depression) like the last 8!

Posted by WestHartford on September 5, 2008 at 09:10 PM You seem to be confused about your facts, maybe you should look up royalties and oil taxes.

You seem to be hung up on words - my Republican governor calls his tax a "fee"

The people of our country will decide this election, WestHartford - it's not going to be won or lost here.

If you want to talk about issues I'm all for it.

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Posted by marymac_memphis on September 5, 2008 at 09:12 PM I am hoping that we start with multiple generations of Dem. Leadership with this very election.

Then check the exit polls in November and see who wins the youth vote and by what margin.

Then why do 100% of re-THUG-licans - especially the ones in congress at the time they were passed, refer to them as "The Bush Tax Cuts!"
Why is supply side economics (also called 'trickle down') more commonly called - by re-THUG-licans "Reganomics."
We've got to get some better trolls - these are just too stupid for words!
Well, gotta' go!
night all
GO DEMS GO!
OBAMA/BIDEN '08 and '12

Customers make jobs - not business - employees make doing buisness profitable

we've been cutting taxes on corporations and corporate profits for the last 7.5 years and it has not created more jobs

I am starting to see the light. So lets raise taxes on businesses and that will create more jobs. I mean why allow them to turn a profit in the first place? All they will do is pass it on to the shareholders and we know that’s an economical dead end.

This is really starting to jell for me. All I have to do to be successful with my business is pay more to the government in taxes and hire more people. You people are economic geniuses!

Micheal Moore is on Larry King, that's why you trolls have the blog to yourself. Enjoy while you can cause we will be back to kick your ass.

Why don�t we slash corporate taxes and cut taxes for small business to create meore jobs?

We have been doing this for 15 years. It's resulted in the outsourcing of our industrial base and millions of good-paying jobs. It's given us two major recessions. It's broken our banking system. It's bankrupted our Treasury.

It only creates chaos, misery, and minimum wage dead end jobs.

Why would anyone propose continuing economic policies that failed so miserably and are close to destroying our Republic. The more money these multinational interests and multi-billionaires get the more facist they act.

Posted by WestHartford on September 5, 2008 at 09:15 PM First there's the constitutional issue. Article I, Section 8 reads, "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes . . ." That means the president has no taxing authority.

Bush called on Republican congress to adopt his tax policy and they obliged.

In whatever analysis you do, don't forget to leave out the 16th ammendment to the U.S. Constitution.

Things were so bad that ammendment was circulated to everyone in the country asking them if it would be OK for the U.S. government to tax their income.

They said yes so I assume that things must have bee pretty bad.

Palin is a joke that is really backfiring on the Republicans. Here are some facts about her poor record as are being reported on websites all over the country.

As mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, Sarah Palin took over with a balanced budget, but left it over $22 million in debt, even after she pushed through a massive sales tax which taxed everything, even food.

She is dangerous. As mayor, the council had to step in to prevent her from firing people she didn't want. She even tried to fire a librarian for refusing to remove books Palin deemed "offensive".

In her short term as governor, Palin is under investigation by her own Republican state legislature for "abuse of power".

Sarah Palin believes that a woman should be forced to bear child even in cases of assault and the mother's health. She opposes stem cell research in all cases, sued to keep endangered species off the list, and even said that the Iraq war was a "task from GOD".

WHY did John McCain pick Sarah Palin, a person he barely knew, especially when there were so many qualified women to choose from? The same reason he votes with Bush 90 percent of the time.

Bad Judgment.

And we can't afford 4 more years.

Posted by CHStuart on September 5, 2008 at 09:21 PM I am starting to see the light.

Maybe - but a tax on corporations not only affects shareholders - it affects employees.

Employers have direct incentives to reward shareholders - except in a few segments of the economy they have no incentives to reward their employees.

When given the choice, Employers will reward their shareholders as much as they able.

Posted by WestHartford on September 5, 2008 at 09:19 PM If you don't understand the words, how are you going to "talk issues"?

thanks for reaching out, WestHartford. I see you're here to win an election.

Since it's not going to be won here - go for it.

Questions for Miss Congeniality to practice answering in case she ever talks to the press:

1. Your husband was a member of the Alaskan secessionist organization from 1995 to 2002...did he tell you? If not where did he say he was going on meeting nights?

2. You want to make abortions in cases of rape or incest illegal. a hypothetical...David Berkowitz breaks out of jail and finds his way to Alaska and rapes one of your daughters. He is caught and sent back to jail in upstate New York....you of course make your daughter carry the fetus and give birth but do you allow Dave visitation at the prison?

3. Jews are reluctant to take Jesus as their lord and savior even though he has brought much suffering to them over the years all of which you believe was his way of getting them to see the light...if elected, as a Dominionist, would you use the governments authority and force to punish the Jewish people into becoming more perfect?

4. Have there been any wars in history that were not God's wars? That is any wars that God did not have a side on...if so which ones?

dors, about that prosciutto??

testing.............

I think you let me in tonight???

I can`t figure out anything lately with the blog. One night you let me in another night no? I`ve been on for probably 2 years and ever since your improvement it`s been a nightmare? Except for trolls that is.

Posted by dorsano on September 5, 2008 at 09:01 PM

dors,

And your responses explain why the GOP won't let Palin anywhere near a real journalist till after the "debates." By then she will have memorized all kinds of trite, smart ass comebacks that don't answer the questions but sound soooo butch.

She will have the mindless Republican Base at her feet and begging for more. I wonder how many of them already have their backs to the wall financially and blame it all on Bill Clinton...because other smart ass Republicans have told them so?

But this time there is going to be fewer of them. And more of us. We are gaining from all demographics.

Plus there are enough of them who have had enough of the BS from their own Party. McCain was the wrong candidate. Even Palin can't carry him.

They aren't selling the truth. They are selling the performance.

so after years of deregulation and reversing all the banking safety measures put in place after the great depression the right wing nuts have brought us to the point where the gument ( us) own freddie and fannie and all their bullshit mortgage paper....wonder why palin didn't splain how they would fix this up alaska way....

BREAKING NEWS
MSNBC
updated 6 minutes ago

The federal government has prepared a plan to take control of troubled mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, several news outlets reported Friday night...

...Quoting unidentified sources, the Post said that the companies would be placed under a conservatorship and that the value of the companies' common stock would be diluted but not wiped out, while other securities, including preferred shares, would be protected by the government...

...The government-sponsored companies hold or guarantee half the U.S. mortgage debt and are considered crucial to the mortgage market's continued operation...

i guess on monday mcbush will tell us more about his character and palin will be meeting with bush to figure out how to keep the economy from completely collapsing....

Posted by WestHartford on September 5, 2008 at 09:28 PM Never mind we have one of, or the highest corporate tax rates in the world, raise it.

Really? A comparison of corporate tax rates around the world is a complicated formula.

The measure of taxable profits is different in each country. In the United States, the taxable profits are calculated according to a quite different set of rules (stat) from those used in the calculation of profits in the financial statements (GAAP).

The amounts that can be deducted for capital expenditure and for interest payments vary substantially from country to country.

I think the only way to reduce gas prices is if we remove the profits oil companies are raking in. Maybe we should have a 100% tax on oil profits while forbidding domestic oil companies from doing business outside the US.

Posted by gregg on September 5, 2008 at 09:32 PM dors, about that prosciutto??

The stuff you gave me? We hosted a house party, everyone went home sick.

Posted by kgdr24 on September 5, 2008 at 09:22 PM

And those are the facts. They cannot be explained or excused.

She isn't a Christian Right beauty queen. She's a lying, scheming, and irresponsible Republican oil woman.

dors, i don't know why we kept it safe in the hall closet ever since grannie went thru ellis island...

hi sally go to hell and dan come out the closet anf and admit your gay

Posted by CHStuart on September 5, 2008 at 09:43 PM I think the only way to reduce gas prices is if we remove the profits oil companies are raking in. Maybe we should have a 100% tax on oil profits while forbidding domestic oil companies from doing business outside the US.

No, CH - gas prices are going to continue to go up until there is no more oil.

The new goal should be to insure that we in this country pay less for energy than anyone else in the world and to do that we need investments in all forms of energy nuclear, renewables, and conservation.

And we should also leave some of our oil reserves around for our children so they have something to make scotch tape with.

we've been cutting taxes on corporations and corporate profits for the last 7.5 years and it has not created more jobs - it has had just the opposite effect and it has spurred the worst economy since the great depression.

One word: �Carter�. The worst four years since the Great Depression.

WestHartford hi dan you trool

Nuclear, Dorsano? Well, lets wave that banner around proudly in this forum. That should go over real good!

ch president cush this worst in the 200 years

i mean the old man was part of the great keating five gambit and the son...well her ya go:

Reuters:
"Silver State Bancorp Announces Director Resignation
Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:30pm EDT

HENDERSON, Nev.--(Business Wire)--
Silver State Bancorp (NASDAQ:SSBX), the holding company for Silver
State Bank, announced today that Andrew K. McCain submitted his
resignation today as a director on the Boards of Directors of Silver
State Bancorp and Silver State Bank, citing personal reasons..."

and now...tada!

"Nevada State Bank Acquires the Insured Deposits of Silver State Bank, Henderson, Nevada

Silver State Bank, Henderson, Nevada, was closed today by the Nevada Financial Institutions Division, and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) was named Receiver. To protect the depositors, the FDIC entered into a Purchase and Assumption Agreement with Nevada State Bank, Las Vegas, Nevada, to assume the Insured Deposits of Silver State Bank..."

like the man said...i don't know much about economics...

I am new to this, but I have been reading for a while. I heard on the radio today that a prominate democrate in PA has filed a suit against Obama claiming he may not be a US citizen. Has anyone else heard about this? If this gets tied up in some legal battle, this could be a problem!

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214

Its already been reported on all the major news channels, that 2/3 of the corporations, have not payed any money in taxes, in the last few years.

testing

Posted by SandyH on September 5, 2008 at 09:42 PM Plus there are enough of them who have had enough of the BS from their own Party. McCain was the wrong candidate. Even Palin can't carry him. They aren't selling the truth. They are selling the performance.

I expected McCain to try for more and I think he did - but he must have gotten some bad news from internal polls.

Palin has excited their base but that gives them only 270 electoral votes at best - and she's turned off most of those he could have reached to.

Sally was right in her analysis about the Palin choice - I expected better but once I read about her obsession with swear words in library books it all makes sense.

Posted by gregg on September 5, 2008 at 09:42 PM

A bunch of whining Americans will have to pay for this, too.

Talk about raising taxes. The Republicans keep on finding more devious and criminal ways of raising taxes on the working man.

WestHartford you like to dream alot obout nothing

Larry King, ask Moore what he thought of the Repo Convention? Michael said that it was really boring, and after he listened to Thompson, and Palin, he was expecting them to Field Dress a Moose, on Stage with McNuts.

this about macain WestHartford

So why aren't the royalties paid to Alaskans being shared with the rest of us?

Last I checked Alaska was still a member state of the United States. The US Congress approved drilling on Alaskan soil, and wants to drill more, but where are those profits going to go? Apparently not to the rest of us. Many Alaskans want to secede from the United States, which doesn't sound so patriotic to me (no offense Todd Palin).

Of course Alaskan oil is being sold to all of us at prices set by the oil market, which is controlled by the rest of the resource countries, including the Middle East. So basically, the price we pay at the pump is largely set by the Saudi's, Iranians, Venezuelans, Russian and Alaskan oil comnpanies, to name a few.

Seems like the democrats' call for windfall profit taxes should be acceptable to McCain/Palin, isn't that exactly what Americans living in Alaska enjoy? It's a national resource and the profits from its removal from our lands are being spent by Alaskans on snowmobiles, bread, homes, snowshoes, trucks, etc. The rest of us want a little money to go to the federal treasury for such things as alternative energy, roads, bridges, schools, etc.

We love Alaska, toured there and it was one of the great experiences of our lives. We saw receding glaciers, eagles and vast mountain ranges. We all want to preserve it and not ruin one of the great natural wonders that needs to be preserved for all Americans.

Posted by WestHartford on September 5, 2008 at 09:50 PM Ok enough bull, dors, you want to say the US has the lowest tax rate on coperations, then say it, post it, so every one can laugh, come on don't be shy.

I'm just providing information, West - I haven't talked about the tax structure of S-Corporations yet our proprieterships or LLCs (small business).

But for the record I don't think any segment of the ecconmy that generates wealth wheter it's labor, capital, or business should be over taxed.

I just have a problem when too much the burden is placed on labor.

And yes - I'd rather start with trimming government first.

Gee this rescue of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had to be done to save the country from a total colapse. Not only did GW and the Republican super majority congress deregulate the banking industry they also deregulated the futures trading that's why oil went to 140 a barrel. Remember Bush running for 04 "Home ownership is at an all time high." The republicans have brought about the very things they con their Kook Aide drinkers to hate, socialism.

The Federal Government will be the biggest bank in the country. Possibly the world. It had to be done to prevent the collapse of the United States. If I ever meet another f ing moron hanity voter I'm going to give'em hell.

We do not have the highest tax rate in thw world. We have the second highest. But the problem is corporations do not pay those high rates becaude we have so many loopholes to get them out of paying their fair share. That's the truth so quit with the crapola.

testing

i raise you a keating five card...

Posted by LincolnParkDem on September 5, 2008 at 10:17 PM We do not have the highest tax rate in thw world. We have the second highest. But the problem is corporations do not pay those high rates becaude we have so many loopholes to get them out of paying their fair share. That's the truth so quit with the crapola.

It's really not that simple, Lincoln - though I don't disagree with the loophole comment - Corporate taxes are progressive for one - A company making $50 million a year pays at a lesser rate than one making a $1 Billion

In the U.S. it ranges from 15% to 35%.

What's really important is what constitutes taxable profit.

If what's taxable includes what encourages investment - then that's bad.

dan go away

I read somewhere Hannity got a 100,000,000 dollar contract. Let's see why would he get that much money. He get's it for selling crap to morons who believe what he says and vote republican.

Five surgeons at a medical convention were discussing which group of people make the best patients to operate on.

The first surgeon, from New York, says, 'I like to see accountants on my operating table because when you open them up, everything inside is numbered.'

The second, from Chicago, responds, 'Yeah, but you should try electricians! Everything inside them is color coded.'

The third surgeon, from Houston , says, 'No, I really think librarians are the best. Everything inside them is in alphabetical order'.

The fourth surgeon, from Los Angeles, chimes in: 'You know, I like construction workers.. Those guys always understand when you have
a few parts left over.'

But the fifth surgeon, from Washington, DC, shut them all up when he observed: 'You're all wrong. Republican Politicians are the easiest to operate on. There's no guts, no heart, no balls, no brains and no spine, and the head and the ass are interchangeable!

hi taxes WestHartford that how we pay for your welfare so you can stay on here 24/7

Unfortunately, she also increased the price government in her city and turned a $0 debt into a $23 million debt She's a bang up reformer though.

Posted by dorsano on September 5, 2008 at 09:01 PM

Doesn't surprise me - she's a republican and that's what republicans do - screw up.

But they are now saying that they are change - with this information can someone please tell me what the hell type of change this bimbo would bring?

test

Spare me the Pitbull

Palin's acceptance speech was not only a let down, but an outright insult to American women and men. How stupid do they think we are; how gullible and naive? Haven't they heard of the Internet and the advances in technology and communications that dominate our present and shape our future? Do they really think that their lies will go unnoticed?

I, for one, have no time for soap operas, reality shows, and sarcastic political speeches lacking the one thing that America needs today more than ever: truth. I am too busy trying to keep a smile on my face while I balance my job as a public high school teacher, two 18 year old sons in college, a husband who served 20 years in the USAF, now recovering from a stroke and brain surgery, banks that could care less, insurance companies and hospitals that want their money NOW, and a lifestyle change that requires fruits and vegetables that I can't afford.

When I take away from the precious little time I have to enjoy with my sons and my dear husband to listen to a presidential candidate talk about our future, I expect, no, I demand that their message be with my future in mind, not theirs. Do I sound selfish? I am not. I am a United States citizen of the present, of the future, and as such I repudiate the dirty, mafia style political tactics of the past. I want the truth; I demand the truth in detail. Tell me straightforward, without lies or fantasy trips of denial, what your plans are for my future, for the future of the United States of America.

As many Americans, I was curious. Who was this Palin woman that was able to create all this media mayhem in such a short while? Oh, yes, because after listening to her speech, I have no doubt that all this family drama was staged to divert our attention from the fact that she had to be holed up for three days in order to "get prepared" for her speech. Was it worth it? Was it worth dragging that teenager through all the mud "hoping to quell Internet rumors about Palin's youngest son"? In their delusional minds it was. They needed the time to prepare the pitbull because they are counting on the brainwashed herd that will follow the maverick to win the election. They are counting on that pitbull to bark and snarl and bite any strays that think of leaving the herd.

What they are not counting on is that the new America, the America of the future is characterized by many mavericks with minds of their own, with the guts to stray away from the herd and choose the path that is best for themselves and their families. A path paved in nothing less than the truth and respect that they deserve. In the new America, there isn't one maverick, there are many, many brave, intelligent, fearless mavericks that see the pitbull for what it is, a "breed of dog that was historically used for dog fights", is legally banned in many places or must be "registered as a vicious animal", a breed that "must be muzzled and leashed in public". (I love Google and Wikipedia!)

The millions and millions of mavericks that will vote for Obama in November are not afraid of the pitbull. They see the dog for what it is, a vicious fighter that belongs in our past and should be muzzled and banned from public speech.

Please forgive me; I know my message does not directly address the economic and social issues that are so important to us all, but I've been watching the Republican convention on and off for the last 3 days, and, well, you know, bad habits stick easy.

September 4, 2008

this fannie and freddie thing is really a big deal...the times has a detailed piece on it...

this part is most entertaining:

Experts said that the longer the administration waited, the greater the potential risks and costs. Charles Calomiris, a professor of economics at Columbia University’s School of Business, said delaying a government rescue would only increase the risks and costs.

“The last thing you want to do is give a distressed borrower more time, because when people are in distress they tend to take a lot of risks,” he said. “You don’t want zombie institutions floating around with time on their hands.”

Posted by WestHartford on September 5, 2008 at 10:29 PM i raise you a keating five card...
Posted by gregg on September 5, 2008 at 10:23 PM

Ok,I'l match a hospital scandel and raise you ACORN.

:)

I can see that you both are concerned about America.

I heard there was women's tennis match going on - I think I'll go check that out.

Quick Vote

Which party's convention made the stronger case for why its candidate should be elected to the White House?

Democrats 58% 103223
Republicans 33% 58120
Neither 9% 15765

Total Votes: 177108

Very well said Julia - please come back and share with us your wit, your style and words from your heart.

We need more people like you. Thank you for sharing.

I used to love Ted Nugent, but he is a moron. He was on Glen Beck, puke, saying republicans are hurt over the last 7 years. They are not mad yet, but hurt, but it's getting to the boiling point. Beck asks Nugent, "who do we vote for?" Nugent says, "McCain, but keep on him, write him letters and complain" what a moron. God Help Us All

when you find a businees that can make money without customers - let me know.

Posted by dorsano on September 5, 2008 at 08:48 PM

Don't forget to try and find one that can make money without their employees, either. You know those people...the ones the CEOs don't want to pay a living wage because they need a fifth yacht?

There have been some really good posts from new posters here. No not you trolls. I would mention your names but I might miss someone. I just wanted to say "Welcome, Welcome fellow patriots"

Posted by GregL on September 5, 2008 at 10:41 PM Don't forget to try and find one that can make money without their employees, either.

It used to be the conventional wisdom that one man's employee was another man's customer and if you wanted people to buy your products everyone had to pay their people enough to get by and a little more.

That's not case now - and that's why unemployment is where it is.

Posted by pcgeek2008 on September 5, 2008 at 10:03 PM

This is the kind of crap that hannitys and the limpbaughs love to lie about. Hawaii was a state when Obama was born. The evangelical trolls were trying to push the idea that he has a forged birth certificate. Obama is a citizen.

This is of interest. I found out that mcgeezer REALLY isn't a citizen. He was born in the canal zone one year before it was officially a military reservation. So mcgeezer cannot be president.

news - I know. That post from Julia was awesome! I wish more will come online. As four years ago, we had a house full. It sort of made the trolls go away. The only reason why some of us talk to the little poop heads is because they are so much fun to piss off.

Michelle Malithon is about a "RightWingNutCase" as there is. From a One to Sean scale, She rates at level Limbotomy.

Esmeralda - good joke. I'm always looking for jokes like that!

Got to get some sleep - Notre Dame plays tomorrow and then I'm heading to Indy for the Colts/Bears game on Sunday night... time to take a break from politics for a few.

Stay safe everyone in the south and on the east coast ... and as always...

Keep On Rockn'

Posted by CHStuart on September 5, 2008 at 09:58 PM Nuclear, Dorsano? Well, lets wave that banner around proudly in this forum. That should go over real good!

Sounds like a job for CHStuart to me. I'm OK with a 10,000 year solution for nuclear waste storage - if we don't have a better way of storing nuclear waste by then, we'll all be in deep doo.

But think of this sort of like the immgration issue - we need investments in renewables and conservation (and market mechanisms which encourage them) - first.

Who wants to bet that McCain clings to the Beauty Queen for dear life?

Will he go out on his own when she so outshines him? He a war hero?

Will he stand by and watch the top media following her and not him?

Without Palin being his trophy candidate, what does McCain offer to even his Base?

He's swimming in her wake looking more and more impotent and dependent on a rookie. Let's dare him to go out and stand on his own.

Obama doesn't need any help looking like a leader. He's been out there on his own wowing voters with his Middle Class Agenda that actually will solve their problems.

Why do voters need another co-dependent presidency when the one we have now has been so bad...another third term of Bush?

Ted Nugent is a great guitar player and hunter. But his name is registered on the long list of Republican Chicken Hawks

Posted by Kathy_from_Indiana on September 5, 2008 at 11:05 PM Got to get some sleep - Notre Dame plays tomorrow and then I'm heading to Indy for the Colts/Bears game on Sunday night... time to take a break from politics for a few.

Good night, Kathy.

i bump a rich wife with a dope jones who gets involved supporting a recovery program cause it's a good way to score....

“The last thing you want to do is give a distressed borrower more time, because when people are in distress they tend to take a lot of risks,” he said. “You don’t want zombie institutions floating around with time on their hands.”

Posted by gregg on September 5, 2008 at 10:33 PM

Sounds like McCain.

i really think we need to explore palin's religious affiliations and beliefs a bit more....i think they may not be all that appealing to the moderates and independents and waitresses and busboys and everyone except self shining shoe salesmen...

Palin church promotes converting gays
By RACHEL D'ORO Associated Press Writer

Sep 5th, 2008 | ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- Gov. Sarah Palin's church is promoting a conference that promises to convert gays into heterosexuals through the power of prayer.

"You'll be encouraged by the power of God's love and His desire to transform the lives of those impacted by homosexuality," according to the insert in the bulletin of the Wasilla Bible Church, where Palin has prayed for about six years...

Posted by JuliaBellafloresBlake on September 5, 2008 at 10:31 PM

Julia,

You've said it better than I ever could. Thanks for sharing. Please post again and often.

Posted by Esmeralda on September 5, 2008 at 10:29 PM

Essie,

Good one.

And with that I wish you all a Good Night.

Sandy i just heard a not so good analogy, during 911 when Bush was reading my per goat, that Cheney was on the phone with bush, asking him if he would give him the authority to shoot down aircraft loaded with passengers, thought to be terrorists.

I don't know about you, but i don't want a trigger happy bimbo, making that decision.

Posted by WestHartford on September 5, 2008 at 10:02 PM That is the goal, except Obama does not want to drill. Obama does not want nuclear power plants built. He just wants to dream and make it go away.

You didn't listen to Obama's speech - but I do give John McCain credit for bringing nuclear power back into the national debate in a big way.

Now we need someone to point out that it's not a good idea to use natural gas to generate electricity since a lot of us use it to heat our homes.

good night for today folks. guess we'll be getting some rain tomorrow from hanna...would be interesting to drive down to long island and go out to the beach to watch her roll by...

americans reduced driving by about 3% and the price of oil dropped. conservation is the most effective way to lower prices, make a dent in global pollution and change the world.

dors as for the ten thousand year warranty on those nuclear waste piles....ever notice how every time they open up a time capsule...and they usually open them up after fifty years even though they were supposed to be opened hundreds or thousands of years later...ever notice how a frog always jumps out and everything is soaking wet?

who is going to regulate all the waste sites? who will keep them safe? who will check them? who will pay for this? the free market is not going to provide for our safety...it will maxmize profit which will result in a nightmare...forever.

If you missed the clips of Biden today, he was awesome. I was wondering when Biden would be Biden. He's had ENOUGH, you can tell.

Posted by gregg on September 6, 2008 at 12:25 AMdors as for the ten thousand year warranty on those nuclear waste piles

The waste really isn't the problem, Greg - it's with the design, construction, and operation of the plant itself - and yes - we, the people, the government of the United States should best look over that

(I'm trying the to use "regulation" "R" word here so our Republican comrades don't get offended).

What also reduced oil was a new bill that was written after the congressional hearings into Oil Futures Trading. There is a bill that is supposed to go thru the house/senate but will probably have to wait as GW will definetly veto it. That bill will put ceilings on how high speculation of energy futures can go, like it used to be before the seven years of hell people took over.

A big problem with the nuclear reactors also is that nobody wants it in their back yard. I know a perfect place for one though. Crawford Texas.

Posted by newsjunkie on September 6, 2008 at 12:44 AM A big problem with the nuclear reactors also is that nobody wants it in their back yard. I know a perfect place for one though. Crawford Texas.

I've got some nuclear power plants near by - I like my energy costs by and large - I also like the fact that the energy "deregulation" hoopla was looked by all of us like a corn dog with too much dough and not enough dog - and I'm a Democrat.

I was watching Michael Moore on Larry King and he made a comment on all the Bush people that are working on McCain's campaign. Can some talented person make an ad via the internet or tv to show who these people are so that the people can see that it really is more of the same.

Thank you
Carlos Correa

Hey folks

Hey folks

I see your black man and raise you one white woman.

Posted by larrylewinski50 on September 6, 2008 at 12:59 AM Hey folks

Hi, Larry.

I just refuse to believe that a beauty queen could be the first woman elected as Vice President of the United States of America! I thought that by now we would have gender equality in our Country. After all, that was the promise of the 1960's and 70's. Maybe we are closer to gender equality than I know and the next Republican President elected will be a Chip and Dale dancer? I mailed a contribution to help elect Senator Obama President because I feel this Country is trying to move forward and believe that he can lead us. Collectively he can win and when he takes office that will be a happy, happy day for me. I am a 51 year old woman and have voted in every presidential election since the age of 18, but if Palin takes the historical first woman VP, I will never cast another ballot. However, I do have faith in our better angels and know that together we will put the right men in office!

hornswoggle

The stakes have just been raised. Counter?

Posted by larrylewinski50 on September 6, 2008 at 01:02 AM I see your black man and raise you one white woman.

Seems a silly sort of thing to be betting right now.

I'm voting for the guy who's not obessed about swear words in the books in some library in Alsaka.

You seem to differ I suspect.

It's Barry Kivik. Four years passes fast, doesn't it?

Posted by larrylewinski50 on September 6, 2008 at 01:09 AM It's Barry Kivik. Four years passes fast, doesn't it?

You lost the nation there, Larry - you need to go out and shoot a mouse.

$4.00/gallon gas and $130/barrel oil is the best economic turn of event in the past 30 years in regard to U.S. energy policy.

Democrats and republicans claim they both have the leadership to get us to energy independence. Gov't can't do it and gov't won't do it.

The free market is the only force that can and will bring energy independence to the U.S. The higher the price of oil, the better the economic incentives in the form of Adam Smith's invisible hand to guide entrepreneurs to produce cheaper, cleaner alternatives. High oil prices are our only hope for obtaining energy independence.

Gov't will not bring us energy independence. Free marekt incentives will--incentives that exist in the form of high prices. If democrats really care about our environment, they would tax oil and gas out of existance, before the natural price point does it for us. Unfortunately, as far as oil prices go, democrats and republicans both pander to populism.

It's time we tighten our belts, suck up the cost, and realize we are the generation that must bear the burden of expensive oil in order to eliminate our dangerous dependence upon it. It's too bad neither Obama nor McCain have the integrity to share this sobering message with Americans.

Posted by ScottArceneaux on September 6, 2008 at 01:27 AM The free market is the only force that can and will bring energy independence to the U.S.

The closest thing that exists in the world to a "free" market (by your definition) is the drug trade - if you don't abide by a contract they kill your family.

Every legitimate business in the world relies on government to enforce the laws that protect their intellectual property rights, their copyrights, and their patents.

In your world, that protection should only afforded to business - not consumers.

Any other questions for me Scott and Larry? Come by any time - it's safe to post now - I'm off.

Good Morning, all of you commies, abortionists and sexual deviates!

God Bless America! God Bless President George W. Bush!

but if Palin takes the historical first woman VP, I will never cast another ballot.

Posted by Dreamer2 on September 6, 2008 at 01:03 AM

Another whiner

Environment Minister Wilson row over green 'alarmists'

The Environment Minister Sammy Wilson has angered green campaigners by describing their view on climate change as a "hysterical psuedo-religion".

In an article in the News Letter, Mr Wilson said he believed it occurred naturally and was not man-made.

"Resources should be used to adapt to the consequences of climate change, rather than King Canute-style vainly trying to stop it," said the minister.

Peter Doran of the Green Party said it was a "deeply irresponsible message."

Mr Wilson said he refused to "blindly accept" the need to make significant changes to the economy to stop climate change.

"The tactic used by the "green gang" is to label anyone who dares disagree with their view of climate change as some kind of nutcase who denies scientific fact," he said.

The minister said he accepted climate change can occur, but does not believe the cause has been identified.

"Reasoned debate must replace the scaremongering of the green climate alarmists."

John Woods of Friends of the Earth said Mr Wilson was "like a cigarette salesman denying that smoking causes cancer".

"Ironically, if we listen to him Northern Ireland will suffer economically as we are left behind by smarter regions who are embracing the low carbon economy of the future."

It is the latest clash between Mr Wilson and green groups since his appointment as environment minister in June

When your job is being outsourced and you are being asked to train the foreigner who will take it?

Posted by SandyH on September 5, 2008 at 07:54 PM

Well, well, old woman, I ask you this. What happened in the Pacific North West back in the 70´s when all of the Green Liberal Asshat Eco freaks started destroying a WHOLE American Timber industry with their warpped ideas of Conservation?
Entire classrooms of children were bussed out into the woods and planted 2-3 trees for every tree that was felled, and were taught everything about conservation by people such as loggers and woodsmen. For many years locals kept up their own forests and did their own Forest management and it worked very well. They regulated their own lands and it worked. Now the Elk, who thrived in the upper clearcuts no longer have their own habitats so they come down and destroy far crops. The result is an on going stagnation in the timber industry, and your very own peanut farming president didn´t help. Your sex addicted Slickwilly didn´t help at all. The liberal comgress blocked everything that Reagan and President Bush sr. and Jr. tried to do.
And the result is: canada is exporting everything to japan, and the most painfull thing of all, people in the pacific NW, and are forced to buy canadian wood products while their very own timber industry is nothing but a shadow of itself.

thanks to the anti american group of liberalprogressiveglobalwarmingcommiewhiners that you belong to.

Night dems. blog ya all tomorrow. IGNORE. Dan and Sally aren't worth the sweat off any Democrat's brow. Any man with any class, would not be trolling on an opposing blog.
It speaks volumes of their lives.

Posted by PamB on September 5, 2008 at 10:39 PM

Shut up you ugly old diapered pig.

You are crazier than a rabid weasel and the Obumunist folding like a house of cards has driven you right over the edge.
It's time for your nightly enema now,

Georgie! Georgie?

another tidbit for all of the greenassclowns out there, you are directly responcible for the death of the NW fishing industry also. Seals have now become a plague that is erradicating entire salmon populations. Of course you like that don´t you. Humans have now rights, because the Seals are animals.

Dan and Sally aren't worth the sweat off any Democrat's brow. Any man with any class, would not be trolling on an opposing blog.
It speaks volumes of their lives.

Posted by PamB on September 5, 2008 at 10:39 PM

Just last week you were telling us about how you got banned from blogging on the Free Republic. Did you think you were properly representing crazy old coots when you were doing that?

First Jackson Browne, then Chuck Berry, then they just couldn't resist and used Heart, but the group is not happy about the theft of their song - Barracuda - by the Republican Party to serve as the introductory music for Sarah "Barracuda" Palin.

They didn't even honor the original artists or ask permission it seems...and now the group will take action to stop the attachment of their song to the image of Sarah Palin.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080906/people_nm/heart_palin_dc

Obama/Biden 2008
Original songs, Real artists.

Go fuck yourself, you old crossdresser. "Sally", "Margaret", and whatever other women's name you have been using for several years.

Google has over 9,000 hits on that dress looking like it came from a 1960's sci-fi movie or TV show, and The Daily Show" used it as a punch line for a 2 minute segment.

Go fuck yourself, or Palin, OR her daughter. The whole family seems that they just can't get enough of that Stevie stuff. (it).

Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on September 5, 2008 at 07:57 PM

And why is her dress important to you? Are you a dress designer?

Why, you must be a homo!

Night dems. blog ya all tomorrow. IGNORE. Dan and Sally aren't worth the sweat off any Democrat's brow. Any man with any class, would not be trolling on an opposing blog.
It speaks volumes of their lives.

Posted by PamB on September 5, 2008 at 10:39 PM

Hey sa