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Morning Open Thread

Posted by Matt Ortega on September 5, 2008 at 11:26 AM

Chat away...

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Obama/Biden all the way!

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Kathy_from_Indiana on September 5, 2008 at 11:46 AM

Good Friday morning Democrats! I hope you and yours are finding what you ‘need’ this morning: your food; shelter and clothing because the present Republican agenda is giving financial corporations everything they ‘want.’ This home mortgage crisis is something else, isn’t it?

Yeah those Republican leaders can give the tax cuts to ‘specifically who’ and what ‘certain businesses’ they ‘want’ to but they can’t do the business math.

Do you suppose most people know why Barack Obama’s $1,000 tax break is better than any amount of Republican tax cuts?

Because a set amount of a tax break is something no party can take back from you once it is given. Unlike the Republican tax cuts that their GOP hopes that Democrats might have to later roll back in order to meet the ridiculously slashed budget where they can then try to blame Democratic leadership. So Republican leadership usually doesn’t use set tax cut amounts in their tax cut agenda on purpose.

Republican leadership cares more about their political power than their tax cuts that’s why they deserve a power cut. I myself, think plain, I mean, palin is more of the same. Yeah, McCain and plain are more of the same!

(She does look mighty plain next to Hillary Clinton, doesn’t she?)

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Hope4U on September 5, 2008 at 11:47 AM

LISBON, Portugal (AP) - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice says she's excited about a landmark trip she will make to Libya on Friday, becoming the highest-ranking American official to visit the North African country in more than a half-century.

"I am very much looking forward to it," she said here before leaving for Tripoli, where she will meet and shake hands with Moammar Gadhafi and close a nearly three-decade era of bitter animosity between the United States and Libya.

"It is a historic moment and it is one that has come after a lot of difficulty, the suffering of many people that will never be forgotten or assuaged, Americans in particular for whom I am very concerned," Rice told a news conference in Lisbon.

"It is also the case that this comes out of a historic decision that Libya made to give up weapons of mass destruction and renounce terrorism," she said. "Libya," she added, "is a place that is changing and I want to discuss how that change is taking place."...

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080905/D930HSA00.html

Now what the hell is Secretary Rice doing in Libya when the Russians are invading Georgia, Iraq is still a mess, Afghanistan is neglected, and so on? Then I read on...

...As the first secretary of state to visit the former pariah, oil-rich country in more than a half-century, Rice's visit will represent a foreign policy success for a Bush administration badly in need of one in its final months...

It's all about the oil, again. COL Ghadafi should feel fortunate in one respect. We didn't send the Marines in to "negotiate" as we did in Iraq.

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BobVADemocratHawk on September 5, 2008 at 11:56 AM

boy those republicans really have screwed up the economy for anybody who actually goes to work to pay their bills....but not to worry the republicans want you to elect them to go to washington and clean up what....well what the republicans have done???

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gregg on September 5, 2008 at 11:56 AM

Posted by Kathy_from_Indiana on September 5, 2008 at 11:14 AM

That speech was written weeks ago for the man who would be VP, probably Tim Pawlenty, who was as surprised as everyone else that he was not the guy. It was modified to be less masculine and all she had to do was read it from the teleprompter. She could have been reading My Pet Goat for all the difference it would have made. She did not write the speech and I don't even know if she had any input into it but she did deliver it with fervor.

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francespryor on September 5, 2008 at 12:00 PM

Robert Reich's Blog -- This man really has his head on straight, good ammunition to put in your democratic quiver. Some recent highlights....

Today's Jobs Report, and What it Means

Today's jobs report confirms not only how badly the economy is doing, but how badly working families are doing -- and why it's not possible to revive the economy unless and until working families have more purchasing power......

It's the Economy, Stupid

The Labor Department today reported that business productivity surged to a revised 4.3 percent annual rate in the second quarter of the year. That's impressive. It's nearly double the 2.2 gain previously reported. It's also well ahead of forecasts. So why did stocks tumble and the Dow Jones Industrial Average fall more than 300 points?......

Vetting

Having been through the process of “vetting” prospective cabinet members, I can tell you it’s time-consuming, detailed, and thorough. I’d like to think the vetting of a vice presidential nominee would be more so – especially one whose odds of becoming president, should she be elected, are somewhat higher than that of the normal vice president......

Corporations and the Conventions

At the Democratic convention last week, I kept bumping into two different kinds of corporate professionals. Most have headed over to the Republican convention this week. One type says its job is "public affairs;" the other, "government affairs." They sound similar but the jobs are quite different......

McCain, Palin, and the Important Difference Between Boldness and Riskiness

At this perilous juncture, America needs boldness. But it does not need to take unnecessary risks. The distinction between boldness and riskiness is critical, as evidenced by the events of the last two days......


If you haven't heard, his motto is "Truth to Power"

Peace


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BoilerMan on September 5, 2008 at 12:02 PM

Sarah Palin
No Direct Attack from Clinton on Palin -- Yet
By Anne E. Kornblut
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton on Thursday night put out just her second statement mentioning Gov. Sarah Palin -- but continued to hold back from the harshest attacks.

"The two party conventions showcased vastly different directions for our country. Senator Obama and Senator Biden offered the new ideas and positive change America needs and deserves after eight years of failed Republican leadership. Senator McCain and Governor Palin do not," Clinton said.

"After listening to all the speeches this week, I heard nothing that suggests the Republicans are ready to fix the economy for middle class families, provide quality affordable health care for all Americans, guarantee equal pay for equal work for women, restore our nation's leadership in a complex world or tackle the myriad of challenges our country faces. So, to slightly amend my comments from Denver: NO WAY, NO HOW, NO McCAIN-PALIN."

Clinton has been exceptionally quiet since the selection of just the second female vice presidential nominee in history. With some of her supporters anxiously hoping Clinton will step up to push Palin back, she is scheduled to make stops in central Florida on Monday on Sen. Barack Obama's behalf. But the trip is not, according to people in both camps, designed as a direct response to Palin. An Obama aide said the trip was "in the works for weeks" and two Clinton advisers said she will continue to focus on issues, such as the economy.

If Clinton does elaborate on her Palin remarks -- either this weekend, when she also has public appearances, or on Monday -- it will be to make a larger point about McCain, not to burrow down into a debate over feminism, sexism or women in politics, advisers said.

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chassie on September 5, 2008 at 12:03 PM

Thanks for that Salon website on the previous page.

It also included this!! Clinton's remarks about Palin and McCain!!


Clinton: "No way, no how, no McCain-Palin"

ST. PAUL, Minn. -- When it came time for Democrats to officially respond to John McCain's speech at the Republican convention Thursday night, the task didn't fall to Barack Obama or even Joe Biden, who'll likely get called upon often to fill the attack dog role for his ticket. Instead, they turned to a figure from the recent past: Hillary Clinton. Her full statement is below.

The two party conventions showcased vastly different directions for our country. Senator Obama and Senator Biden offered the new ideas and positive change America needs and deserves after eight years of failed Republican leadership. Senator McCain and Governor Palin did not.

After listening to all of the speeches this week, I heard nothing that suggests the Republicans are ready to fix the economy for middle class families, provide quality affordable health care for all Americans, guarantee equal pay for equal work for women, restore our nation's leadership in a complex world or tackle the myriad of challenges our country faces.

So, to slightly amend my comments from Denver: NO WAY, NO HOW, NO McCAIN-PALIN.


Update: The Obama campaign has now put out a statement of its own. Attributed to spokesman Bill Burton, it reads:

Tonight, John McCain said that his party was elected to change Washington, but that they let Washington change them. He's right. He admonished the 'old, do-nothing crowd' in Washington, but ignored the fact that he's been part of that crowd for twenty-six years, opposing solutions on health care, energy, and education. He talked about bipartisanship, but didn't mention that he's been a Bush partisan 90% of the time, that he's run a Karl Rove campaign, and that he wants to continue this President's disastrous economic and foreign policies for another four years. With John McCain, it's more of the same.

That's not the change Americans need. Barack Obama has taken on the special interests and the lobbyists in Illinois and in Washington, and he's won. As President, he'll cut taxes for 95% of all working families, provide affordable health care to every American, end the tax breaks for companies that ship our jobs overseas, and eliminate the oil we import from the Middle East in ten years.

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PamB on September 5, 2008 at 12:09 PM

And the sheeple have been suckered yet again. I wonder how many more times the American sheeple will fall for these empty suits of the GOP, or in this case, empty skirts.

Posted by BobVADemocratHawk on September 5, 2008 at 11:48 AM

Sure they rate her favorably--cuz they haven't got a clue who she is YET. When they let her speak, without a script, the American people will toss her to the curb faster than Britney Spears with a buzz cut.

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BlueinIdaho on September 5, 2008 at 12:09 PM

BTW, I do not know if anyone noticed, but the trolls were erased and eliminated during the night, so THANKS TO THE DNC crew which is now working on getting the glitches and the trash out of our blog!!

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PamB on September 5, 2008 at 12:10 PM

Posted by BobVADemocratHawk on September 5, 2008 at 11:54 AM

raygun sent in bombers and missed him but killed one of his children. Remember. I wonder if she is going to apologize for mcgeezer the first.

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Johne on September 5, 2008 at 12:25 PM

Sure they rate her favorably--cuz they haven't got a clue who she is YET. When they let her speak, without a script, the American people will toss her to the curb faster than Britney Spears with a buzz cut.

I had to LMA last evening as I was in a checkout line at the store, and there in front of me, was the US magazine with glaring photo of her and all the bad stories about her, as well as the National Enquirer, which I don't buy, but lots of other people buy or else stand there and read. The Enquirer had a photo of her holding her downs child. It is the first time I have seen her even touch the child! I wonder who if anybody has been bonding with the poor thing. I started glimpsing through the mag, and it was saying how because she is always away with her career, that Bristol in particular has been out of control, according to neighbors and friends up there!

It all made me smile!

And it is a shame that those Protestors last night were not paid more attention to. they did throw the old man for a loop at the beginning though, I understand. My sister called me to ask if I was watching, as she was jumping up and down with joy!

I don't like SciFi so didn't tune in!


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PamB on September 5, 2008 at 12:26 PM

Posted by PamB on September 5, 2008 at 12:26 PM

I watched McBush's speech for about 30 seconds....then I realized it was a Depends commercial and I turned it off.

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BlueinIdaho on September 5, 2008 at 12:34 PM

Posted by BoilerMan on September 5, 2008 at 12:02 PM

Al Franken was on the Stephanie Miller show this morning. He is running for Senate in Minnesota. When he is elected, the first thing he will do is introduce a jobs program. He said that the a jobs program would put money in people's pockets which they would spend, pay taxes and generally stimulate the economy. His program would concentrate on infrastructure work like roads, bridges, sewer and water plants, etc.

During my working career the Democrats have had jobs programs every time there is a recession to turn around the economy, and it works. The repukes don't agree. You may remember Job Corps, CCC, etc. They good programs.

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Johne on September 5, 2008 at 12:35 PM

hi dumb ass dan

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dusty2006 on September 5, 2008 at 12:37 PM

oldsquirrelface get job and leave us alone

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dusty2006 on September 5, 2008 at 12:39 PM

Blue, I could no more make myself listen to more Lies, distortions, spin, fantasy, koolaid from these idiots than sticking a needle in my eye.
Just watching as I skipped through the channels, the faces of those on the floor was enough to fill me with disbelief. There is not one of them that have a pot to piss in, yet they bought into the Republican lies, that there taxes will be lower under this idiot who wants us in Iraq for the next 100 years, who wants to go bomb Iran, and who is trying to provoke Russia into a new Cold War. How stupid can these people be?

Also, the majority of the American people believe in Women's choice, so the day they think that any judge or church group is going to take that right away, is the day the march on Washington takes place and it will not be a pretty sight!

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PamB on September 5, 2008 at 12:41 PM

McCain: The 25-Year Washington Insider Comically Running as the Washington Outsider

The Republican convention is finally over. Thankfully, my large-screen TV's still in-tact despite three nights of me throwing my enraged liberal Birkenstocks at it. The whole event was a freak-show of deception, scripted by the duplicitous campaign chief Steve Schmidt and GOP operative Karl Rove and executed by a shameless parade of disingenuous conservative liars.

The biggest liar of all is the party's nominee, Sen. John McCain, who is desperately trying to portray himself as the Washington "outsider" and the candidate of change. In fact, listening to the Republicans this week would lead one to believe that it's been the Democrats, not them, who's been running Washington these past eight years. The NY Times wrote Friday that:

"The nominee’s friend described him as a "restless reformer who will clean up Washington." His defeated rival described him going to the capital to "drain that swamp." His running mate described their mission as "change, the goal we share." And that was at the incumbent party’s convention."

http://ostroyreport.blogspot.com/2008/09/john-mccain-25-year-washington-insider.html

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PamB on September 5, 2008 at 12:42 PM

Where are the ads????????? B/O are behind the 6 ball again. Fearful of going after the VP.... Aldultor.... lies.... oil... McCain ... not pay taxes... experince hurts amerinca.. votr on war... cancer.. could die


WEAK WAEK WAEK.... Going to lose if they cannot be mean...

WHY WHY WHY

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johncook on September 5, 2008 at 12:42 PM

Where are the ads????????? B/O are behind the 6 ball again. Fearful of going after the VP.... Aldultor.... lies.... oil... McCain ... not pay taxes... experince hurts amerinca.. votr on war... cancer.. could die


WEAK WAEK WAEK.... Going to lose if they cannot be mean...

WHY WHY WHY

300 000 outfit

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johncook on September 5, 2008 at 12:43 PM

OMG...

The much-noted green background behind John McCain during part of his speech was in fact the verdant lawn in front of an imposing edifice, as you can see in this wide shot. One of McCain's many dwellings? No, it turns out it's the Walter Reed Middle School in North Hollywood, California.

What, you ask, was it doing as a backdrop for McCain's speech? No one seems to know for certain, but the current speculation making the rounds is that someone on the McCain team intended for him to be standing in front of a projection of the Walter Reed Army Medical Center, which would make a great deal more sense, but goofed and grabbed this photo instead. (Alternatively, the McCain camp may be addicted to that particular electric green and the middle school's lawn provided the best example they could find that was not on a 60s-era album cover.)

TPM is on the case and trying to confirm.

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/09/05/mccain-goes-north-hollywood.aspx

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BlueinIdaho on September 5, 2008 at 12:44 PM

After listening to the Republicans for the past few days, I finally came to a realization - They only talk to the rich.

If you are a rich person and listen to what they are tell you, then everything makes sense and the facts fit.

McCain Acceptance Speech.
"All you ever asked of government is to stand on your side, not in your way."

-Under Bush/McCain, government has got out of the way for the morgage companies and people are losing their homes, while standing by the side the CEO's and stockholders making millions.

-Under Bush/McCain, government has got out of the way of the oil companies and gas prices have risen from $1.78 per gallon to over $4, while standing by the side of the oil companies and the CEO that have made Billions.

-Under Bush/McCain, government has got out of the way of companies shipping jobs overseas and the Americans have lost jobs while standing by the side of the CEO's and big corporations that have made Millions.

-Under Bush/McCain, government has got out of the way of inspecting goods arriving at our shores while the American people have eaten tainted food and children have played with led painted toys, while again standing by the side of CEO's and big corporation that made millions.

-For decades the Republicans and Bush/McCain have worked to have government get out of the way of the environment, while ice caps melt and storms intensified, while standing by the sides of the big polluters to ensure they make millions.

That list goes on and on....

"We believe in low taxes; spending discipline, and open markets. We believe in rewarding hard work and risk takers and letting people keep the fruits of their labor."

-low taxes for the rich and big corporations.

-spending discipline to keep workers wages low and CEO's can make millions.

-open markets so big corporations can take advantages to eliminate the competition and buy out small businesses. ie, farm industry is now mainly corporations, ie, walmart replaced corner grocers, etc.

-rewarding hard work with longer hours and smaller paychecks.

-risk takers with baleouts when the risk fails. ie, morgage companies, Savings and Loans, etc.

-letting people keep the fruits of their labor but you have to labor more for less fruit, unless your rich.

I agree with Obama - ENOUGH!!!!

I could go line by line through McCain's speech like this but there are not enough hours in the day to show every issue they error on.

Enjoy!

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TMH on September 5, 2008 at 12:45 PM

If McBush's staff doesn't know the difference between a middle school and a military hospital, what else could they screw up???!

Next up: McBush and Ms. Alaska hold a September 11 news conference in front of Ground Zero....blues club in Mississippi...

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BlueinIdaho on September 5, 2008 at 12:52 PM

Posted by BlueinIdaho on September 5, 2008 at 12:44 PM

I thought that ritzy building in McCain's back drop was one of his homes. Maybe one that he didn't know he had.

I wonder if any middle schools look like that on the south side of Chicago?

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TMH on September 5, 2008 at 12:54 PM

I know we are all Democrats here, but don’t you all think that this thing where McCain is calling himself the maverick but is still going along with the GOP’s pretense about the Iraq war is as scary as Palin even having the ‘slimmest chance’ in Hades of becoming president?

(Well, you know, I am not so sure Democrats wouldn’t have a harder time ‘trying to lose’ the election than trying to win it this time, but I would like to think that the country could ‘somehow’ be rationally secure if someone other than Barack Obama ‘might’ win.)

I mean, I was reminded of the same old Bush tactics when McCain loudly over-proclaimed in his speech last night that the surge had worked. As though any of yesterday’s achievement's in Iraq were the only answer to our problems with Iraq tomorrow anyway?

Sometimes I question if Bush and the GOP sent the surge in Iraq in after reports of Iraqi violence coming down when the sects were finding agreements for their oil revenue to make it ‘look’ like the Bush Administration’s war had a part in the violence coming down? I guess it doesn’t matter anyway because I know Obama will win and we will finally be out of Iraq where we don’t have to think about these political games where people die anymore!

I really trust Joe Biden with his thirty-three years in the Senate Foreign Relation’s Committee to know what needs to be done and ‘can’ be done about this mess in Iraq. I also trust Barack Obama to at least listen to Joe Biden’s advice while making his decisions about Iraq. How could Palin ever advise McCain on such issues like Iraq unless, like Bush, he’s already made up his mind that he’s not going to listen to anybody else?


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Hope4U on September 5, 2008 at 12:54 PM

The only thing that McNuts, has got to run on is, Viet Nam, and the Hanoi Hilton, and Iraq. That's it in a nutshell. And that was the whole 4 days of there stupid convention, with the exception of the little hypocrite Sarah.

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chassie on September 5, 2008 at 12:57 PM

Posted by PamB on September 5, 2008 at 12:26 PM
I guess the two older girls are. They are the ones who I usually see holding him in the publicity shots, except for the night of her acceptance speech when they had all the kids drug out on stage for the spectacle and their dad was holding him.

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Butte on September 5, 2008 at 12:57 PM

test

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dusty2006 on September 5, 2008 at 12:58 PM

How could Palin ever advise McCain on such issues like Iraq unless, like Bush, he’s already made up his mind that he’s not going to listen to anybody else?


Posted by Hope4U on September 5, 2008 at 12:54 PM


BINGO, you hit it right on the head, he thinks he knows more then all of the Generals in all of the branches of the military.

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chassie on September 5, 2008 at 01:05 PM


That RNC Convention was nothing more than an Attack against Obama. Nothing positive to say about McCain, so they have to try and take down the opponent instead!


What a group of hate filled people!

The Anti-Obama Hate-Fest»
by: Robert Parry, Consortium News


In his speech Thursday night, Senator John McCain continued the Republican Convention's theme of stretching the truth about Obama. (Photo: Chris Gardner / Getty Images)
The Republican Party, which has defined modern-day negative politics, was back at it again, bashing Barack Obama and the news media in an ugly display that rivaled the old days of Nixon-Agnew - or George W. Bush's last convention where GOP operatives passed out "Purple Heart Band-Aids" to mock John Kerry's war wounds.

After a slow start because of Hurricane Gustav, the convention in St. Paul, Minnesota, has turned into an anti-Obama hate-fest with a nearly all-white gathering laughing at and mocking the nation's first African-American presidential nominee of a major party.

However, beyond the pulsating contempt visible on the faces of the GOP delegates, many of the nasty attacks on Obama - as well as the effusive praise for the Republican ticket - were blatantly false, as if testing the depths of American gullibility and bigotry.
http://www.truthout.org/article/the-anti-obama-hate-fest

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PamB on September 5, 2008 at 01:08 PM

McCains speech sucked. There were so many things he said that congered up bad images.

Palin was the queen of receiving earmarks, he said he will expose those who want earmarks

He called people to work to make america a better place, I think he meant community organizing, for which palin just insulted the night before

Then he talked about the many comforts he enjoys in america - like seven houses

Then he says the GOP is corrupt, pretty much I have been corrupt, but trust me and I will change it. - Um, if you believe that I've got some oceanfront property in Kentucy I'd like to sell ya.

Let's just pray that there are more intelligent people in the US than dumb ones.

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newsjunkie on September 5, 2008 at 01:09 PM

When is the DNC coming out with a commericial exposing Palin and Hubby and their AIP affiliation. People need to know that as of 2002 hubby wanted Alaska to suseed from the US. Such Patriots. If we don't run commericials like this, and are too nice, we will lose. It's true and if it's true that it doesn't have to be nice.

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newsjunkie on September 5, 2008 at 01:11 PM

Mc Cain's Mental Health Records:
Since John McCain has admitted to wanting to commit suicide as a result of being a POW for 5 years should we not demand his mental health records? Does he not act like someone with PTSD with a bad temper and a warmongering "I will get even" attitude. Pretty scary thought when you consider he will have his finger on the button if he gets elected!

See: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/1/105054/2416/962/488209

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IBelieve on September 5, 2008 at 01:12 PM

Posted by PamB on September 5, 2008 at 12:26 PM
I guess the two older girls are. They are the ones who I usually see holding him in the publicity shots, except for the night of her acceptance speech when they had all the kids drug out on stage for the spectacle and their dad was holding him.

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Butte on September 5, 2008 at 01:12 PM

Where are our 527's. If we are going to win, we need to make mince meat out of these two. They need a commericial showing palen asking, what exactly is it that the VP does and then explain to them that Sara hasn't taken one question from the press since she was announced a week ago and now she is going home to study what has been going on in America and the rest of the world, cause she doesn't have a clue. Alaska First, Alaska Always.

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newsjunkie on September 5, 2008 at 01:16 PM

My husband said he doesn't want to know the truth from me he wants to hear it from Barack and Biden. He is right, it is not enough that we tell people we know, they won't believe it anyway until it is told with pictures.

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newsjunkie on September 5, 2008 at 01:17 PM

Posted by BlueinIdaho on September 5, 2008 at 12:44 PM
LOL! It most certainly NOT Walter Reed Army Medical Center. The medical center is mostly red brick with white trim, and doesn't have room for a long front walk with flower pots on its crowded campus. Of course, after 8 years of Bushiato neglect, it probably would have been embarrassing to show a photo of it anyway, they'd have had to dig up something from the archives.

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Butte on September 5, 2008 at 01:21 PM

You know, the Sisterhood of Women to each other, to their daughters, their Mothers, Sisters, all other females is very strong and very Smart!

Dem poll: Most US women voters 'unimpressed' by McCain's VP pick

WASHINGTON - Most US women are unimpressed by Republican John McCain's choice of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate, and have thrown their weight behind the Democratic ticket in the race for the White House, a national poll showed Wednesday.

Six in 10 women voters see McCain's choice of a female running mate as a calculated political decision rather than one based on Palin's experience and qualities, showed the poll conducted by the Garin-Hart-Yang Research Group


Women voters see the choice of Governor Palin as being driven by politics rather than by any sense of conviction on Senator McCain's part that she has the experience and qualities to make a good vice president," the research group said in a statement.

A majority of the 800 women polled -- 56 percent -- said they were put off by Palin's legislative record and her position on moral issues, such as abortion.

"When women voters learn that Palin opposes abortion even in cases of rape and incest, opposes stem cell research and, as governor, opposed funding for state pre-kindergarten programs... a majority say... (they) feel less favorable toward her," the poll showed.


http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Most_US_women_voters_unimpressed_by_0904.html

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PamB on September 5, 2008 at 01:28 PM

The Labor Department says the unemployment rate rose to 6.1% in August, while 84,000 nonfarm payrolls were lost, the eighth consecutive month of job losses. Mortgage delinquencies soar. Nokia warns that its market share will decrease.
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Well DUH, does this surprise anybody with all of are jobs going overseas to India, China, and others. With the blessing of the Repo administration.

We need to boycott every company thats sending are jobs over seas.

And we definitely need to get rid of all the Neo Cons that have let this happen, under there watch.

And they got the nerve to ask us as American's to trust them with 4 more years.

True Americans won't let that happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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chassie on September 5, 2008 at 01:37 PM

Todd Palin's former business partner files an emergency motion to have his divorce papers sealed. Oh God.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/here-we-go.html

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BlueinIdaho on September 5, 2008 at 01:38 PM

Good afternoon, all!

HAH! McLame couldn't draw flies to his lie fest but right across the river Ron Paul was packing them in.

10,000 people for Paul compared to a sea of empty seats for McNuts.

My convention is bigger than your convention

Sept. 3, 2008 | MINNEAPOLIS -- If you were in the Twin Cities on Tuesday, you could be forgiven for thinking that Republicans had to come to Minnesota to nominate Ron Paul instead of John McCain. At St. Paul's Xcel Center, where the real Republican convention is being held, a substantial number of seats remained empty. Next door in Minneapolis, however, a wildly enthusiastic crowd came close to filling the Target Center, capacity 10,000, where the Paul-ist faithful had gathered for their own quasi-convention to pay tribute to the Texas congressman, failed GOP presidential candidate and Libertarian hero.

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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on September 5, 2008 at 01:41 PM

For years I have been complaining that northern Indiana doesn't have any progressive talk radio. I recently bought a new car and I now have Air America. At lunch, I was listening to Ed Schultz. This is the first time I actually sat in my car and listened to him. He sounds just like Rush only with a college education and drug free. Anyway, he was going on and on about Cindy McCain and what a bimbo she is saying the whats her name has experience because she lives just miles from Russia. Then he brought up the 6 colleges whats her name went to.

My question is why and what were the colleges...anyone know?

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Kathy_from_Indiana on September 5, 2008 at 01:46 PM

Hey,
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Thanks!

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chassie on September 5, 2008 at 01:47 PM

Oy. A troll is trying his hand at "logic". Too bad he doesn't know that logic is made up from more than just fallacies. He must have worked his brain cell into an absolute tizzy on that piece.

Getting some air...

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BlueinIdaho on September 5, 2008 at 01:49 PM

Todd Palin's former business partner files an emergency motion to have his divorce papers sealed. Oh God.


Another gift from whats her name - let's see the papers are now sealed - now you have to wonder why?

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Kathy_from_Indiana on September 5, 2008 at 01:49 PM

Blue, the troll didn't do anything other than C & P a comment to an OP ED in the L.A. Times. It most certainly didn't use "logic".

OPINION L.A.

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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on September 5, 2008 at 01:57 PM

Joe Biden is going on Meet the Press this Sunday. Does that mean Sarah Pallin is going on next Sunday? My guess is 'NO'

How long will it be before the press get to finally ask her questions about her past and her views? 8 days and counting.

Don't give her a break.. She has to face the press, the sooner the better for America.

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TMH on September 5, 2008 at 01:57 PM

ANOTHER LIE from Caribou Barbie! She never sold that jet on e-Bay! It was auctioned off by a private company.

eBay Jet Sale? Didn't Happen

After going unsold for months, the jet was put into the hands of Turbo North Aviation, an Anchorage aircraft broker, which put an asking price of $2.45 million on the nearly $2.7 million jet. It quickly sold to Alaska businessman Larry Reynolds for $2.1 million ($31,000 of which went to Turbo Aviation). Today the Westwind II jet spends its days ushering wealthy hunters around Alaska and Russia.

Details, details. Why does she feel the need to gussy up her microscopically thin resume with easily checked BS? Even the part about being "Miss Congeniality" was pure BS.

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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on September 5, 2008 at 02:06 PM

Just so I can understand liberal "logic"; explain to me 1) how Kennedy can murder a young woman and be re-elected 25 times as a Democratic senator, SAME WAY LAURA BUSH KILLED HER BOYFRIEND WITH HER CAR, IT'S CALLED ACCIDENT FOR A REASON 2) how Robert Byrd can serve as a kleagle in the KKK and be the Democrats longest sitting senator HE CAN CHANGE HIS MIND, SAME WAY THAT MCCAIN HAS ON ABOUT 20 DIFFERENT THINGS 3) if a teenage kid of a Republican gets caught doing what virtually all teenagers have done - somehow her mother’s character, values, and ability to govern is called into question. AH, BUT NOT IF THE OTHER CHILDREN'S MOTHER HAS BEEN THE POSTER GIRL FOR MORAL FAMILY VALUES !!

Is this the same "logic” that calls GWB a war monger when it seemed perfectly fine that Truman incinerated 300,000 civilians in an instant (Remember that liberal credo "the end does not justify the means") while Kennedy and Johnson killed millions in Vietnam? BETCHA OLD MAN, THAT YOU WERE ONE OF THE ONES JUMPING UP AND DOWN NOT ONLY FOR THOSE 300,000 FRYING PEOPLE, BECAUSE THEY DID SOMETHING TO THE USA. IRAQIS DID NOTHING, ABOSOLUTLY NOTHING.

Is this the same “logic” that caused Obama to pick Biden who received less than 900 votes and was the first candidate to drop out the Democratic primaries yet walk away from Hillary who had 18,000,000 votes? DUH, WHAT PART OF THE 900 VOTES WERE FOR HIM TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT, NOT VICE PRESIDENT??? WERE YOU HOPING FOR HILLARY?

Is this the same “logic” that required the networks to run stories and air the photos of the underwear laden prisoners at Abu grab 100 times more than the stories regarding the decapitated civilian prisoners of Al Qaeda?EXACTLY HOW MANY DECAPS DID WE HAVE ANYWAYS? MAYBE 3? AND SCENES OF MURDER ARE OBJECTIONAL TO MOST AMERICANS BECAUSE OF THEIR CHILDREN. YET US TROOPS AT THE SUGGESTION OF THEIR COMMANDERS THOUGHT THEY COULD TORTURE AND SUBJECT IRAQIS TO ANY FORM OF HUMILIATION

Is this the same "logic" that says “we must keep people from developing the wilderness so only I can use them when I camp and hike”? UHHH, NO, BUT IT SURE IS NICE THAT THE ANIMAL SPECIES HAVE A PLACE TO SURVIVE. NOT THAT THE POLAR BEARS AND ARCTIC ANIMALS WILL HAVE IT MUCH LONGER

Is this the same "logic" that says we must do everything we can to save some obscure snail that nobody has ever or will ever see but it's perfectly fine to suck the brains out of unborn children in an effort to kill them and call it an a abortion? THIS IS EXTREMELY RARE AND USED TO SAVE THE MOTHER'S LIFE. ESPECIALLY IF THE MOTHER HAS OTHER CHILDREN TO LEAVE BEHIND ! HOPE THIS HAPPENS TO YOUR DAUGHTER, SO YOU CAN GET A CHOICE


Is this the same “logic” that says abstinence only sex education doesn’t work when virtually every girl who becomes pregnant had been taught endlessly about birth control meaning that that isn’t working either but you never seem to mention that in all your rants? IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, PALINS DAUGHTER WAS TAUGHT ABSTINECE, NOT BIRTH CONTROL.

Is this the same “logic” that says liberalism is about individual freedom and the uncensored expression of one’s beliefs in an effort to make the country a better place but conservatives are ridiculed for practicing their own form of religion, expressing their opinions towards public education, the war, welfare, the death penalty, abortion, etc, etc, etc? ONLY WHEN CONSERVATIVES TRY AND MAKE LAWS TO FORCE THEIR VIEWS DOWN PTHERS THROATS

Is this the same “logic” that says health care is biased towards men yet men live on average 7 years less than woman? AHHHH, HOW NANT RX OF VIAGRA HAVE YOU GOTTEN WHILE THE HEALTH PLAN DOES NOT COVER BIRTH CONTROL, INCLUDING MORNING AFTER PILL

Is this the same “logic” that espouses redistribution of wealth but never seems to get around to addressing investment of time, commitment of money, risk of losing everything, or endless liability?
I DONT RECALL ANYONE SAYING REDISTRIBUTE, JUST TAX FAIRLY


Is this the same “logic” that demanded we not quarantine AIDS victims when the virus was first exposed in the early 80”s because it would be a violation of human rights, so instead 10’s of millions of additional people have been killed by the virus? GEEE, I MUST HAVE MISSED SOMETHING. WASNT REAGAN PRESIDENT 1981 - 1989?


GOT IT NOW? PS, SORRY ABOUT YOUR FACE.

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PamB on September 5, 2008 at 02:07 PM

Posted by PamB on September 5, 2008 at 02:07 PM


You don´t know WHAT Sarah taught her children. She certainly didn´t teach her children any of the liberal things such as its ok to run down a pedstrian and have a snaggled tooth old woman laugh and say it was because he was wearing a McCain for president Button.

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oldsquirrelface on September 5, 2008 at 02:12 PM

SORRY FOR TYPOS, I AM HOLDING MY GRANDSON

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PamB on September 5, 2008 at 02:14 PM

Posted by PamB on September 5, 2008 at 02:07 PM


Didn´t you vote for Reagan TWICE?

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oldsquirrelface on September 5, 2008 at 02:15 PM

Being "inside the beltway" is not a vice. There's no reason to hold it against McCain that he's been inside it since 1982 (though it is perfectly legitimate to ask what he has done there). Neither is being a member of an elite a vice, or a sign of being "out of touch." Thomas Jefferson and FDR were part of the "eastern elite," among many others. And Harry Truman, whose name Sarah Palin invoked, didn't dismiss people with contempt because they couldn't point to humble beginnings, or because they were educated at prestigious universities.

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meb on September 5, 2008 at 02:17 PM

CNN as we speak just bumped up Obama's lead in the pools to plus 4 for Obama.

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chassie on September 5, 2008 at 02:19 PM

Nice Job Pam and it appears you wrote it yourself, unlike the republicans who can't write and must post or give a speech written by a professional writer.

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newsjunkie on September 5, 2008 at 02:19 PM

Sarah Palin is taking a "Timeout" -- to begin "the education of Sarah Palin"

She is going to make a few campaign stpos with Grampy Grumpy, but NOT take questions as she wends hwe way back to AK...

After that, Palin was expected to break from the trail to return to Alaska and see off her oldest son, Track, 19, who is deploying to Iraq with his Army unit on Sept. 12.

Pshaw!

(From Joe Sudbay:)

Be real. It's mostly to duck the national media. Sarah is NOT allowed to talk to the press (except FOX, Rush, probably the Moonie Times). After all, Palin is only running for vice president of the United States -- one heartbeat away from the presidency. Why does the media insist on talking to her? Be interesting to see just how long the McCain campaign can keep her sequestered.

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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on September 5, 2008 at 02:23 PM

Posted by Kathy_from_Indiana on September 5, 2008 at 01:46 PM

The "why" is still an unknown, but here's the "where":

Fall 1982: Hawaii Pacific University, Honolulu.
Spring & Fall 1983: North Idaho College, Coeur d'Alene.
Fall 1984-Spring 1985: University of Idaho, Moscow.
Fall 1985: Matanuska-Susitna College, Palmer, Alaska.
Spring 1986-Spring 1987: UI, graduating with a Bachelor Science in Journalism

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BlueinIdaho on September 5, 2008 at 02:23 PM

Posted by meb on September 5, 2008 at 02:17 PM

I think that both Biden and Obama can point to "humble beginnings". Can't quite say that for McBush the Third.

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BlueinIdaho on September 5, 2008 at 02:26 PM

Obama spokesperson Tommy Vietor confirms that the campaign has now pulled in over $10 million since her speech -- a "one day record," Vietor says.

Posted by PamB on September 5, 2008 at 09:59 AM

Sounds like the Obamunists are fearful. They should be. Money doesn't translate to votes though. This is not the primary anymore. I suspect the more visible the Obamunist becomes the worse he does.

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Sally-* on September 5, 2008 at 02:27 PM

Is this the same “logic” that espouses redistribution of wealth but never seems to get around to addressing investment of time, commitment of money, risk of losing everything, or endless liability?
I DONT RECALL ANYONE SAYING REDISTRIBUTE, JUST TAX FAIRLY


Is this the same “logic” that demanded we not quarantine AIDS victims when the virus was first exposed in the early 80”s because it would be a violation of human rights, so instead 10’s of millions of additional people have been killed by the virus? GEEE, I MUST HAVE MISSED SOMETHING. WASNT REAGAN PRESIDENT 1981 - 1989?


GOT IT NOW? PS, SORRY ABOUT YOUR FACE.

Posted by PamB on September 5, 2008 at 02:07 PM

Try this:

Is this the same “logic” that espouses redistribution of wealth but never seems to get around to addressing investment of time, commitment of money, risk of losing everything, or endless liability? Yes, it is that logic, and it does address invetment of time, yada, yada. It also addresses the fact that those who make the most money also use the most resources from our common infrastructure, thereby necessitating them to pay a higher share toward maintaining that infrastructure. It also addresses the fact that those people are not making that money without the investment of time and effort by their employees, who at this moment, make something on the order of 100 to 200% less than the heads of those companies. Those heads are NOT investing 100 to 200% more effort into their work, so therefore, they are gaining unearned money. I could go on, but it wouldn't matter to you anyway, you'll just call me names and say I'm dopey or somesuch nonsense.

As for the other point, quarantines are for people who would spread a contagion just by being in the same room with another person. We already knew that the disease was not spread by casual contact, therefore quarantining would have been an unlawful restriction...sort of like imprisoning someone for thinking, or thinking that they MIGHT be thinking. I could go on, but again, what use?

I mean that for the original poster if he/she is ever back, Pam, not for you.

Now, back to work for me. Lunch time is almmost over. See y'all tonight, maybe.

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GregL on September 5, 2008 at 02:27 PM

Bring on the bumperstickers:

"Jesus was a community organizer, Pontius Pilate was a governor"

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BlueinIdaho on September 5, 2008 at 02:28 PM

Palin Power: Fresh Face Now More Popular Than Obama, McCain

A week ago, most Americans had never heard of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin. Now, following a Vice Presidential acceptance speech viewed live by more than 40 million people, Palin is viewed favorably by 58% of American voters

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oldsquirrelface on September 5, 2008 at 02:40 PM

WORD OF THE DAY
TRUE BELIEVER, n.
Once confined to certain religious zealots, it now applies, with equal precision, to mind-numbed devotees of a Marxist Messiah named Barry, and those still enamored with the Messiah from the Fat Cave, Al Gore.

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oldsquirrelface on September 5, 2008 at 02:45 PM

How symbolic. Do these Pugs even have ONE functioning brain cell?

How telling.

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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on September 5, 2008 at 02:49 PM

McSAME HAND PUPPETS.

(Sorry, link didn't take the first time)

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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on September 5, 2008 at 02:51 PM

i look foward to spending election night with sally. should be some real laughs...

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gregg on September 5, 2008 at 03:00 PM

Savage book sales surpass Pelosi project
'Psychological Nudity' features tales from radio host's life and adventures
Posted: September 02, 2008
9:52 pm Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily


Radio host Michael Savage's new autobiography, self-published and available on the MichaelSavage.com website, has surpassed the sales of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's recent publication, "Know Your Power: A Message to America's Daughters," officials report.

Savage, who has authored other books including "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder," "The Enemy Within" and "The Savage Nation, has released "Psychological Nudity: Savage Radio Stories" on his website.

Officials for Savage's radio show, which is heard by an estimated 8-10 million listeners weekly, confirmed to WND that publicly available sales totals for Pelosi's book after one week were about 2,300, and while they wanted to withhold exact numbers, sales of "Psychological Nudity" had surpassed that significantly in its first week.


Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

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oldsquirrelface on September 5, 2008 at 03:03 PM

The Alaska Legislature has voted within the last hour to open a full inquiry into Palin administration, starting 9-12. She is now clamming up and stonewalling them.

Monegan investigation moves forward

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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on September 5, 2008 at 03:05 PM

"I put it on ebay"

Really Sarah? Is that the whole truth?

Sarah Palin, in her speech, told a carefully stated -- but accurate -- story of putting a state-owned jet up for sale on eBay.

Palin did not, as the ADN reported at the time, succeed in selling it on eBay; she tried and failed.

She didn't actually claim to have though:

While I was at it, I got rid of a few things in the governor's office that I didn't believe our citizens should have to pay for.

That luxury jet was over the top. I put it on eBay.

And she did put it on eBay, which seems like a good piece of symbolism and a clever stunt, even if she wound up selling it through more traditional channels.

But McCain, retelling the story, misstated it today:

"You know what i enjoyed the most? She took the luxury jet that was acquired by her predecessor and sold it on eBay -- made a profit," he said, introducing Palin.

Well, no. And the state sold it at a loss of half a million dollars."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Not_selling_on_eBay.html?showall


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LincolnParkDem on September 5, 2008 at 03:07 PM

Posted by PamB on September 5, 2008 at 02:07 PM


Aids is a faggot disease.

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oldsquirrelface on September 5, 2008 at 03:13 PM

Senate Dems to force McCain to show his true colors:

Democrats have hammered Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) this summer over his vote against legislation pushing equal pay for women and men. The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act will get a second act in September, as Democrats seek to remind voters that McCain opposed it, according to an e-mail from the Democratic Senate message center. It lists "[e]qual pay legislation" as among the issues the Senate will take up in September.

http://thepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.com/2008/09/senate-dems-to-force-equal-pay-vote-on.html



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LincolnParkDem on September 5, 2008 at 03:15 PM

The dem pundits need to point out it didn't sell on e-bay and she lost 500,000 in the sale.

The only reason she didn't want the cook is because she was afraid of being poisened. LMAO

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newsjunkie on September 5, 2008 at 03:17 PM

You don´t know WHAT Sarah taught her children

yeah I do. the National Enquirer told me.

Isn't that the newspaper that tracked down the John Edwards affair? hmmmmmm, I shall have to keep checking them for the Palin Story! I shall buy lots of copies and leave them all in conspicuous places.


Hey GregL, thanks for the clarification on my post above. It is hard typing one handed, but we, unlike Sara Palin, Love to hold our baby!


So OBAMA got the bounce from the RNC convention! hahahahahahahahaha Love it!!!

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PamB on September 5, 2008 at 03:18 PM

Posted by PamB on September 5, 2008 at 03:18 PM


You were gone along time, I bet those Adult Depends are a real bitch to change?

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oldsquirrelface on September 5, 2008 at 03:20 PM

Obama is sent form the messiah, yes, yes he is. He will save America from the thugs that have broken her. Yes indeed he is sent from the messiah. Thank you lord for sending america obama. We know god that you love the good people here and will not punish us any longer for the republican leaders mis deeds. Hail Obama, Hail Obama he has been sent by god to help the people.

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newsjunkie on September 5, 2008 at 03:21 PM

Any trolls want to talk economics 101 today?

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newsjunkie on September 5, 2008 at 03:26 PM

Good Afternoon to ALL Freedom Loving Democratic Minded Americans! The weekend is here! I see the hemlock/toadstool potion brewed up by republican hacks in the last four days, at the very least, have had a very strange affect on newscasters and journalist in media land. As they seem to be in a state of delusional euphoria over words concocted and delivered by a rovian speak/master writer(karlsean), and handed to a t.v. sports journalist and a professional republican flatuator to read. ALSO, their failure as journalist in not pointing out the lack of facts or substance in content delivered. Instead of pointing out the past 7 1/2 years of republican domination of D.C. and the miserable effects and damage to America and our Over Seas Friends, they (the republicans) have wrathed down upon U.S..

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johnyfaster on September 5, 2008 at 03:27 PM

Fear, Fear, Fear!

BIG DILEMMA: OPRAH BALKS AT HOSTING SARAH PALIN; STAFF DIVIDED
Fri Sep 05 2008 08:55:46 ET

Oprah Winfrey may have introduced Democrat Barack Obama to the women of America -- but the talkshow queen is not rushing to embrace the first woman on a Republican presidential ticket!

Oprah's staff is sharply divided on the merits of booking Sarah Palin, sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.

"Half of her staff really wants Sarah Palin on," an insider explains. "Oprah's website is getting tons of requests to put her on, but Oprah and a couple of her top people are adamantly against it because of Obama."

One executive close to Winfrey is warning any Palin ban could ignite a dramatic backlash!

It is not clear if Oprah has softened her position after watching Palin's historic convention speech.

Last year, Winfrey blocked an appearance by Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, timed to a promotional tour of his autobiography.

Oprah and executive producer Sheri Salata, who has contributed thousands of dollars to Obama's campaign, refused requests for comment.

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Sally-* on September 5, 2008 at 03:28 PM

FLASH: McCain TV Ratings Beat Obama in Preliminary Numbers...

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Sally-* on September 5, 2008 at 03:29 PM

Why would the Republicans spend a whole night of their convention attacking ordinary people?

With the nation watching, the Republicans mocked, dismissed, and actually laughed out loud at Americans who engage in community service and organizing.

Our convention was different. We gave the stage to everyday Americans who hunger for change and stepped up to make phone calls, knock on doors, and raise money in small amounts in their communities.

You may have missed it, but we also showed the country a video with the faces and voices of those organizers, volunteers, and donors from every corner of the country.

What you didn't hear from the Republicans at their convention is a single new idea about how to make the healthcare system work, get our economy moving for the middle class, or improve education.

Just attacks -- on me, and on you.

But what the McCain attack squad doesn't understand is that people like you -- who devote part of their busy lives to organizing and building their communities -- have the power to change this country.

With your help, that's exactly what we're going to do.

Thank you,

Barack

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johnyfaster on September 5, 2008 at 03:31 PM

She's not going on Oprah, cause Oprah isn't going to be screened by Rove. Oprah will tell rove to go f himself. Without the questions in advance, no way are they letting this VP pick talk to anyone. Alaska First, Alaska Always!

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newsjunkie on September 5, 2008 at 03:32 PM

Test

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Southern-California-Gal on September 5, 2008 at 03:40 PM

Test

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Southern-California-Gal on September 5, 2008 at 03:41 PM

Fight with me! Fight with me! I'll fight with ya you old crooked coot. How much did the Keating 5 scandal cost the taxpayer? I know it was at least a billion. Wasn't princess cindy the secretary for the Keating 5. Well, she could always say she was on drugs, that she was stealing from her own charity. LMAO What a joke!

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newsjunkie on September 5, 2008 at 03:42 PM

Test

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Southern-California-Gal on September 5, 2008 at 03:42 PM

Throughout the entire RNC Convention, I counted only 7 black faces and the cameras really zeroed in on them and, yet, I see so many black faces on MSNBC, FOX, and CNN supporting John McCain. I wonder why that is.

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francespryor on September 5, 2008 at 03:43 PM

Cindy's whole outfit, jewelry included, wed. night, was $300,000. Wow! Thats the net worth of most americans, if that. But somehow barack is the elitist. That takes a lot of ignorance to dress like that when the country has no jobs and no money to spend on commie crap because of John McCain. Are these people as dumb as they are crooked. John did rank 896 out of 899 at the Academy. Yes they are as dumb and they are crooked.

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newsjunkie on September 5, 2008 at 03:46 PM

My bad..sorry about the multiple posts. It's my first time ever doing this.

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Southern-California-Gal on September 5, 2008 at 03:50 PM

God, what's with these Pugs? And they want to stop funding schools so the Borg can grow.

Reminds me of this guy. Yep, that thar hoam skulling izz guud. Tout me alls I needta now.

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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on September 5, 2008 at 03:53 PM

Southern-CA, after you post, give it a couple of seconds, then hit the preview, scroll all the way down and the newest posts are there.

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newsjunkie on September 5, 2008 at 03:57 PM

Posted by francespryor on September 5, 2008 at 03:43 PM

The "official" total released by the Pug Party was 36. Out of almost 2,100.

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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on September 5, 2008 at 03:57 PM

This is getting more bazaar and more bazaar. First McNuts choices a gal that no one heard of, doesn't know what a Vice President does and now is being hidden away so that she doesn't have to answer questions by the media.

What is going on here? I'm thinking that the Republican Party is reeling from the fact that they have a major problem right now and they don't know what to do or how to handle it. The longer that woman stays hidden, the more pressure the media will put on McNuts and that party to get her out in the open.

This is the strangest thing I have ever seen in politics…very strange

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Kathy_from_Indiana on September 5, 2008 at 04:00 PM

It is not racist to discuss how many people in the room where old, female, male, black, had hats on, had 300,000 dollar outfits on. Is it racist when they break down the polls as to which groups are voting for who. Women make up blank % of the vote for blank. You repugs are dumb as Iraq.

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newsjunkie on September 5, 2008 at 04:01 PM

Posted by Sally-* on September 5, 2008 at 03:28 PM

nope... more lies. Oprah said no one talked about having her on.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/05/mccain-obama-jump-on-jobs-report/#comments

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TMH on September 5, 2008 at 04:02 PM

What's with links not posting now? A working "preview" button would be nice.

Probably graduated from Regent University

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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on September 5, 2008 at 04:04 PM

The surprising dominance of American politics by right-wing politicians whose core beliefs are often wildly at odds with the opinions of the majority of Americans has resulted from the careful building of a coalition of interests that have little in common with each other besides a desire for power devoted to the achievement of a narrow agenda. The two most important blocks of this coalition are the economic royalists, those corporate leaders and high net worth families with vast fortunes at their disposal who are primarily interested in an economic agenda that eliminates as much of their own taxation as possible, and an agenda that removes regulatory obstacles and competition in the marketplace. They provide the bulk of the resources that have financed the now extensive network of foundations, think tanks, political action committees, media companies and front groups capable of simulating grassroots activism. http://pol.moveon.org/gore5/

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johnyfaster on September 5, 2008 at 04:06 PM

Breaking News!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wolf just reported that Jack McCafferty's wife died this morning unexpectedly.

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chassie on September 5, 2008 at 04:10 PM

What does it say about the Republican Party that they have two people on the ticket who claim they can be trusted to change America because "they have taken on corrupt Republican lawmakers and lobbyists" and promise to do so if elected?
I think it says they should clean up their own house FIRST before we trust them to run the country.
If elected, they would bring with them the same crowd of corrupt Republican politicians and lobbyists that have been sticking it to this country for years.

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nterog8 on September 5, 2008 at 04:11 PM

The republican convention was 93% white, there were more than 80 FEWER minority representatives than four years ago, there were a few more than 50 total minority representatives at the convention. SHAMEFUL, and a strong message for the rest of the country to digest. Republican righties and their evangelical purveyors don't want to understand what is happening in America outrside of their toney neighborhoods.

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CalDemo on September 5, 2008 at 04:13 PM

I can relate ot the employment situation. I figure I'll just house sit in one of the McCain's homes. But is he a little over extended at the moment?

Did C/J. McCain take out a 2nd mortgage on her outfit she wore to cover the taxes on one their beach homes for 4 years of skipping out on payments.

OH, McCain was (WAS) a POW. It is ok.

My bad. :)

100
johncook on September 5, 2008 at 04:18 PM

Sally and Dandy Dan has a love affair with Robert.

They call everyone Robert.

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chassie on September 5, 2008 at 04:24 PM

Posted by newsjunkie on September 5, 2008 at 03:46 PM

cindy is almost as disgusting as mcgeezer. She is a disgusting POS. who does she think she is the Marie Antoinette? "Let them eat cake".

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Johne on September 5, 2008 at 04:34 PM

Posted by newsjunkie on September 5, 2008 at 03:46 PM

cindy is almost as disgusting as mcgeezer. She is a disgusting POS. who does she think she is the Marie Antoinette? "Let them eat cake".

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Johne on September 5, 2008 at 04:34 PM

Here ya go, Johne.

Laura Bush
Oscar de la Renta suit: $2,500
Stuart Weitzman heels: $325
Pearl stud earrings: $600–$1,500
Total: Between $3,425 and $4,325

Cindy McCain
Oscar de la Renta dress: $3,000
Chanel J12 White Ceramic Watch: $4,500
Three-carat diamond earrings: $280,000
Four-strand pearl necklace: $11,000–$25,000
Shoes, designer unknown: $600
Total: Between $299,100 and $313,100

(And that gold dress looked like something from a Star Trek episode.)

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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on September 5, 2008 at 04:47 PM

AP-Mohammed makes it clear that the tribal chiefs have lost all faith in both their own government and the foreign soldiers in their country.

Such disillusionment is widespread in Afghanistan, feeding an insurgency that has killed 195 foreign soldiers so far this year, 105 of them Americans.

More...............

Afghans fed up with government and US

********************

The United States spied extensively on Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, his staff and other government officials.

More..................

Iraq govt reacts sharply to US spying allegations

On top of all this the PEOPLE of Ukraine, Poland, Slovak Republic and no telling how many other Eastern European countries are everwhelmingly against our interference in their countries.

Why don't we send bush and cheney to the Hague?
Why don't they back off and mind their own busniness?

God, I am sick of these two slimeballs.

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Johne on September 5, 2008 at 04:49 PM

mcbush had a great turnout for his speech....to bad it was rated from mediocre to abysmal...but as i said last night it really wasn't bad for a deceased person.

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gregg on September 5, 2008 at 04:49 PM

WestHartford hi harpo you rascist nut job

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dusty2006 on September 5, 2008 at 04:51 PM

mcgeezer and that woman are promising more of the same but will include Iran, Syria, Lebanon, ad infinitum.

According to our anus troll, it is the Democrats fault.

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Johne on September 5, 2008 at 04:52 PM

heah dandy dan why dontt you get job and not be on here all day on welfare

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dusty2006 on September 5, 2008 at 04:54 PM

gregg,

I didn't watch it but could you tell if he was wearing Depends? It would be embarassing to spring a leak.

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Johne on September 5, 2008 at 04:54 PM

hi

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dusty2006 on September 5, 2008 at 04:57 PM

why dont the anus trool blame the republican who been in power for 8 years

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dusty2006 on September 5, 2008 at 04:59 PM

Yes, that was quite a barn burner Grampy Grumpy did last nght. Even the CNN talking heads couldn't contain their enthusiasm.

Jeffrey Toobin: I’m not gonna lie, McCain was “shockingly bad”

There were reports of some of the reporters in the press section actually falling asleep during it.

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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on September 5, 2008 at 04:59 PM

Who was the elderly woman that called Palin...Sarah Pawlenty at the repub convention? Wishful thinking?

Oh...and even though the ''bridge to nowhere was scrapped...Palin did not return the earmarked pork.

Thanks but no thanks, indeed. She was for it when she ran...but when the political winds changed, she was against it.

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mammalicious on September 5, 2008 at 05:10 PM

test

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dusty2006 on September 5, 2008 at 05:21 PM

mama, that was RNC Co-Chair Jo Ann Davidson.

RNC Co-Chair: We are proud to be nominating Sarah Pawlenty (video)

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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on September 5, 2008 at 05:24 PM

I missed that one. No way the RNC Co-Chair called Palin, Sara Pawlenty. Did you see John McCain when he went to say her name, at the end, and said the p sound and then stopped for about 5 seconds and then said Gov. Sara Palin? They can't remember her name because they have no idea who she is. They know one thing though, she will do anything Rove tells her to. I bet she will during the election, but god forbid this woman gets elected, because we have no idea what she would do.

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newsjunkie on September 5, 2008 at 05:43 PM

Posted by newsjunkie on September 5, 2008 at 05:43 PM

More like she won't do ANYTHING. Probably including the debate against Biden, too.

McCain Campaign Plans To Keep Palin Away From The Press (video)

SCARBOROUGH: Yesterday Nicolle Wallace suggested that she was sitting right there and told Jay Carney of Time magazine ‘Sarah Palin doesn’t have to talk to you, she doesn’t’ have to talk to the press.’ … Can we expect Sarah Palin on Meet the Press and other one on one interviews throughout the course of this campaign?

DAVIS: We’re going to do whatever we think is the best to win. We have 60 days left and if we think it’s a good idea to go out there and do those shows, we’ll do them.

SCARBOROUGH: Can you avoid it? Meet the Press?

DAVIS: We can afford anything we want to do. … We’re going to do what we think is in our best interest. If that means access to the press, we’ll give it to you.

(Bold in original)

They are keeping this scandal plagued, empty headed loose cannon hidden.

Sure would be nice to know who did the vetting.

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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on September 5, 2008 at 05:51 PM

Afternoon all! There is a terrific article over on truth out by Dr. Paul Krugman. For those who do not know, Dr. Krugman is the head of Economics at Princeton University and a winner of the Clark Medal, which is the most prestigeous award given for Economics.

The Resentment Strategy
Thursday 04 September 2008

by: Paul Krugman, The New York Times

Can the super-rich former governor of Massachusetts - the son of a Fortune 500 C.E.O. who made a vast fortune in the leveraged-buyout business - really keep a straight face while denouncing "Eastern elites"?

Can the former mayor of New York City, a man who, as USA Today put it, "marched in gay pride parades, dressed up in drag and lived temporarily with a gay couple and their Shih Tzu" - that was between his second and third marriages - really get away with saying that Barack Obama doesn't think small towns are sufficiently "cosmopolitan"?

http://www.truthout.org/article/the-resentment-strategy

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marymac_memphis on September 5, 2008 at 05:52 PM

hi all democrat

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dusty2006 on September 5, 2008 at 05:59 PM

Good afternoon, all.

"John McCain doesn't run with the Washington herd," said Palin, the 44-year-old Alaska governor and surprise pick as McCain's running mate.


"It's over. It's over. It's over for the special interests," McCain promised. "We're going to start working for the people of this country."


Palin is an oil woman and most of McCain's aides are lobbyists. They are the special interests. They don't run with the herd they lead it.

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SandyH on September 5, 2008 at 06:02 PM

We don't need to rush to judgement on palin and the press. We all know she doesn't know squat about the US and foriegn affairs, but they've got her a bunch of talking points to memorize. By next week she will have limited exposure. The press will not violate Rove's orders and ask pre prepared questions. If we all set the expectations to low, anything she say's will look good. I SMELL A ROVE.

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newsjunkie on September 5, 2008 at 06:04 PM

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dusty2006 on September 5, 2008 at 06:12 PM

As I have watched the events unfold over the past week, I couldn’t help but notice a sense of mystique in the air. After being introduced to Sarah Palin on Wednesday night, my suspicions were confirmed. Perhaps the Republicans should have held their convention in Las Vegas, isn’t that where a dazzling magic show belongs? We have John McCain the illusionist and his lovely assistant, Sarah Palin, misguiding our senses with spectacular demonstrations of slight-of-hand, err make that, slight-of-mind.

Every great magic act needs a magician who is capable of pacifying our defenses; he needs us to believe in him before he can pull off the deception. The second element is the lovely assistant, whose sparkling eyes and charming smile distract us from recognizing the trickery that’s about to take place. It’s in this moment – the all eyes on her moment – when the real ‘magic’ happens, then poof, the illusion has been completed. The audience stands and applauds, the magician has defied physics, or gravity, or just plain common sense.

John McCain wants us to forget that he’s a Republican. “I am the independent and reforming Oz, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.” The problem is the man behind the curtain has sided with George Bush over 90% of the time. The last eight years have given the good people of this country plenty of opportunities to see that this path is wrong and a 10% change simply won’t be enough to fix it. John McCain is an outstanding patriot, throw him a parade, erect a monument, but his Republican viewpoint is simply not what this country needs or should be made to tolerate.

Well, the show is almost over, time for the big finale. The magician is in position, the assistant is trying desperately to grab your attention, but wait we have already seen this trick. The unrest caused by lost chances, failed economic strategies, and a foreign policy that can only be classified as ‘playground bully’. The magician knows the audience is on to him and won’t be fooled. He attempts to improvise, to convince us that it will be new and different this time, but it’s too late. This is one reality that even David Copperfield couldn’t make vanish.

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TruthBTold on September 5, 2008 at 06:13 PM

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dusty2006 on September 5, 2008 at 06:20 PM

http://www.thatminoritything.com/?p=53193

The Conservative Palinguage Guide Vols. 1 and 2
September 5th, 2008 | Posted in Talkback | Vol. 1


If you’re a minority and you’re selected for a job over more qualified candidates you’re a “token hire.”

If you’re a conservative and you’re selected for a job over more qualified candidates you’re a “game changer.”


If you live in an Urban area and you get a girl pregnant you’re a “baby daddy.”

If you’re the same in Alaska you’re a “teen father.”

Black teen pregnancies? A “crisis” in black America.


White teen pregnancies? A “blessed event.”


If you grow up in Hawaii you’re “exotic.”

Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, you’re the quintessential “American story.”

If you name you kid Barack you’re “unpatriotic.”

Name your kid Track, you’re “colorful.”


If you’re a Democrat and you make a VP pick without fulling vetting the individual you’re “reckless.”

A Republican who doesn’t fully vet is a “maverick.”


If you say that for the “first time in my adult lifetime I’m really proud of my country” it makes you “unfit” to be First Lady.

If you are a registered member of a fringe political group that advocates secession that makes you “First Dude.”

A DUI from twenty years ago is “old news.”

A speech given without proper citation from twenty years ago is “relevant information.”

If you get 18 million people to vote for you in a national presidential primary, you’re a “phoney.”

Get 100,000+ people to vote you governor of the 47th most populous state in the Union, you’re “well loved.”

If you are biracial and born in a state not connected to the lower 48, America needs darn near 2 years and 3 major speeches to “get to know you.”

If you’re white and from a state not connected to the lower 48, America needs 36 minutes and 38 seconds worth of an acceptance speech to know you’re “one of us.”


If you give your wife a dap on stage, it’s actually a “terrorist fist jab.”

If your daughter licks her palm so that she can slick down your youngest child’s hair on national TV it’s an “adorable moment.”

If your pastor rails against inequality in the United States of America, you’re an “extremist.”

If your pastor welcomes a sermon by a member of Jews for Jesus who preaches that the killing of Jews by terrorists is a lesson to Jews that they must convert to Christianity, you’re a “fundamentalist.”


If you’re a black man and you use a scholarship to get into college, then work your way up to being the president of the Harvard Law Review, you’re “uppity.”

If you’re a conservative and your parents pay your way to Hawaii Pacific University . . . you only have four more schools to attend over the next five years before you somehow manage to graduate (it might be five more school over the next five years. No one has yet verified whether or not Palin was actually ever registered at the University of Hawaii at Hilo. But, you know how shady people are who ever attended any kind of school in Hawaii).

If you’re 18, white, and get a 16 year old girl pregnant “life happens.”

If you’re 18, black, and impregnate a 16 year old girl, you’re a “registered sex offender.”

If you spend 18 months building a campaign around the theme of “Change,” it’s just “empty rhetoric.”

If one week before your party’s national convention you SUDDENLY make your candidacy about “Change,” that’s “red meat.”

If you’re a Democratic woman running for office and complain about sexism; you’re a whiner …among other things.

If you’re a Republican woman running for office and complain about sexism, you’re a victim and a gang of other Republican women will stand up for you with a news conference deploying the alleged sexism.

A republican politician who raises money for and embraces a corrupt senator facing 7 indictments - you are a reform minded pol taking on the system.

A democrat who buys (pays for) property at market rate from a to-be-exposed scurrilous businessman you are the anti-christ.

A republican whose pastor condemn Jews and insists they’re responsible for their own persecution - you’ll never know because it’ll never be reported.

A democrat whose pastor points out and questions the hypocrisy of American Foreign and Domestic policy - you’re church will receive bomb threats, your pastor death threats, and you’ll be subject to deep analyzing of your faith and patriotism.

If you are a liberal and your unwed daughter gets pregnant it’s “immoral”. If you are a christian it’s called “family values”.


If you spend 3 years as a community organizer growing your organization from a staff of 1 to 13 and your budget from $70,000 to $400,000, then become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new African Amerian voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, then spend nearly 8 more years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, becoming chairman of the state Senate’s Health and Human Services committee, then spend nearly 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of nearly 13 million people, sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran’s Affairs committees, you are woefully inexperienced.

If you spend 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, then spend 20 months as the governor of a state with 650,000 people, then you’ve got the most executive experience of anyone on either ticket, are the Commander in Chief of the Alaska military and are well qualified to lead the nation should you be called upon to do so because your state is the closest state to Russia.
If you are a Democratic male candidate who is popular with millions of people you are an “arrogant celebrity”.

If you are a popular Republican female candidate you are “energizing the base”.

If you are a younger male candidate who thinks for himself and makes his own decisions you are “presumptuous”.

If you are an older male candidate who makes last minute decisions you refuse to explain, you are a “shoot from the hip” maverick.

If you are a candidate with a Harvard law degree you are “an elitist-out of touch” with the real America.
if you are a legacy (dad and granddad were admirals) graduate of Anapolis, with multiple disciplinary infractions you are a hero.

If you manage a multi-million dollar nationwide campaign, you are an “empty suit”.
If you are a part time mayor of a town of 7000 people, you are an “experienced executive”.

If you go to a south side Chicago church, your beliefs are “extremist”.
If you believe in creationism and don’t believe global warming is man made, you are “strongly principled”.

If you are a pregnant and your waters break when you are 7 1/2 months along far away in Texas where you are to give a speech, it is perfectly acceptable if you are a social conservative for you to give the speech anyway, fly to Seattle, fly to Anchorage, drive another 45 minutes to get to the podunk hospital outside Wasilla. Who needs those big city hospitals with all the resources to help your special needs child? 13 to 14 hours between waters breaking and getting medical attention for yourself and the child you know is already highly vunerable is the sign of a “tough” woman.

If you are anyone else, you are irresponsible, a political opportunist, selfish, and/or stupid and/or crazy.

If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you’re a Christian. If you have been married to the same woman with whom you’ve been wed to for 19 years and raising 2 beautiful daughters with, you’re “risky”.

If you are a Democratic woman canidate and complain about the way a women is treated and attacked in the media, it is called “whining” (Sara Palin’s own words) If you are Sara Palin and are treated the same way it is called “sexism”

If you are a Democrat and the media digs into your past and prints it, it is called “good journalism and getting to the truth”. If you are a Republican and they do the same thing, it is called a “smear campaign”

If you’re a black single mother of 4 who waits for 22 hours after her water breaks to seek medical attention, you’re an irresponsible parent, endangering the life of your unborn child.

But if you’re a white married mother who waits 22 hours, you’re spunky.

If you’re a Democrat and you get a blowjob, it’s a matter for the Supreme Court.

If you’re a 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton, the right-wing press calls you “First dog.”

If you’re a 17-year old pregnant unwed daughter of a Republican, the right-wing press calls you “beautiful” and “courageous.”

If you seek funds for building a bridge, then decide not to build the bridge and keep the money for other things you are a champion against wasteful spending.

If a Republican mother (v.p candidate) brags about and tells the false date of deployment, 9/11, which is against Operational Security (OPSEC) and illegal. it is called a “proud mother putting America first”.
If a Democrat talks about their son’s deployment it is “putting the troops in danger”.
If you’re a Republican president and you engage in illegal war, bankrupt the country, and legalize torture and spying on US citizens, that’s okay because Jesus is your favorite political thinker.

If you’re a Democratic president and you generate the largest increases in wealth for all economic classes, preside over a balanced budget, and create an unprecented surplus, you get impeached for fellatio.

If you are a Republican mayor of a small town of 8,500, and fire the Police Chief and Library Director for not supporting your political campaign, you are a reformer who is merely cleaning house.

If you're a a liberal mayor and you ask for government financing, your a “fan of big, tax and spend, corrupt government.”

If you're a conservative mayor and wind up on John McCain’s “worst pork” list in 2001, you are “”disgusted” that small towns like yours are dependent on earmarks,” even if your town had no earmarks before you became mayor.


If you teach abstinence only in sex education, you get teen parents, if you teach responsible age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.

if you're Jamie Spears your parents are pinheads because you got pregnant (O’Reilly on Fox) but if youre Bristol your mom is eminently qualified to be VP …

If you’re a young American serviceman abused by enemy captors on a daily basis, you’re a hero who stoically endured inhumane torture and put country first. If you’re a young Arab or Pakistani grabbed in a battle zone, shipped to an American military prison by way of a third country, and held indefinitely without trial, you’re a vicious Islamic terrorist who doesn’t deserve to be treated like a human being.

If you’re the so-called liberal media, you are wrong for even mentioning the Stepford Veep’s kids.

If you’re the Republicans, you’re merely introducing us to Palin’s family for what seems like forever so that people realize what great family values they have.

If you supported a war that is costing $2.4 billion a day, you’re a patriot who wants smaller government.

If you oppose the war, you’re a defeatest who wants big government.

If you’re a Republican senator who solicits gay sex in an airport bathroom, you get to return to your job in the Senate and are encouraged to run for re-election.

If you’re a conservative and you pray that the leaders of the country are sending soldiers on a task (war by any other name) that has been planned by God, you are obviously well qualified to assume a leadership position involving foreign policy.

If you’re a Democrat and you dare to question the President’s plan, you are a defeatist, barely qualified for community organization.

A white woman talkin tough is an advocate of women’s rights, a black woman is angry and bitter. A white man talkin tough is a straight shooter and a conservative, a black man is a angry gangsta rapper.

If you are the governor of Alaska and have four children with taxpayer-financed health care, you demonstrate family values by becoming pregnant with number five while working for the taxpayers. If you have two children and no health care, you probably can’t afford more children because you ARE the working taxpayer.

If you are the unmarried 17-year old daughter of a Republican right-to-life governor, your choice to remain pregnant is a private family matter. If you are the unmarried daughter of anyone else, your private right to choose is denied by the same Republican governor.

If Palin uses her children for photo opportunities, she’s a proud hockey mom.

If Obama uses his children for photo opportunites, he’s exploiting them.

If Republicans mention Obama’s children in any way, it’s a legitimate vetting of his parental skills.

If Democrats mention Palin’s children in any way, it’s disgusting partisan lies.

If you’re a Republican and you talk to America’s enemies, it’s diplomacy.

If you’re a Democrat and you talk to America’s enemies, it’s appeasement.


If you’re a Republican and you win the Nobel Peace Prize, you’re lauded as a champion for realpolitik and ending the Vietnam War (even though you actually prolonged it unnecessarily).

If you’re a Democrat and you win the Nobel Peace Prize, you’re a traitor (Carter) or a fabulist (Gore).

If you’re a Republican and you wind up on the cover of People magazine, it’s because you’re a “regular American.”

If you’re a Democrat and you wind up on the cover of People magazine, it’s because you’re a “celebrity.”

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mammalicious on September 5, 2008 at 06:22 PM

Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on September 5, 2008 at 03:57 PM

Yes, I knew that but there were not in any obvious place. The DNC Convention has a much better representation of diverse cultures and ethnic groups. The RNC Convention looked, for the most part, like a retirement village for white folks.

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francespryor on September 5, 2008 at 06:28 PM

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marymac_memphis on September 5, 2008 at 06:29 PM

Posted by Kathy_from_Indiana on September 5, 2008 at 04:00 PM

Kathy,

The McCain camp is hoping that the tabloid stories will keep some interest going for their side while they come up with yet another strategy.

Everything they have tried so far is blowing up in their face. They can't run a campaign competently and yet they are asking the American people to let them run the nation?

At this point most Americans feel McCain could run a POW museum and Palin could run a maternity store...but maybe not during a recession.

I love the jet story. Now CNN and others are saying that Palin sold the governor's jet to a Republican contributor for half a million less than it was worth. Sounds like Palin might have been paying him back?

McCain says he doesn't know anything about economics and Palin is running Alaska's Treasury like Bush bankrupted our national one.

Pick whichever one on the Republican ticket that you want...it's the economy, stupid.

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SandyH on September 5, 2008 at 06:38 PM

Breaking News!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wolf just reported that Jack McCafferty's wife died this morning unexpectedly.

Posted by chassie on September 5, 2008 at 04:10 PM

I think he had her killed.

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Sally-* on September 5, 2008 at 06:43 PM

Forget defending Obama and Biden. All the Republican pundits are now daily attacking Lincoln.

When is the Republican Party going to quit taking swipes at those who have serviced in the Illinois Senate and doesn't prepare candidates to be president?

The Republican are conveniently forgetting Lincoln's background and they can't admit that they no longer agree with his philosophy of government.

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SandyH on September 5, 2008 at 06:48 PM

The Sarah Palin Selection: Why McCain's Inexperienced Running Mate Falls Short of Meeting the Implicit Constitutional Qualifications For Vice Presidents

By JOHN W. DEAN

Friday, Sept. 05, 2008

In truth, the Vice President of the United States is important for only one reason: He or she will become President of the United States upon the death, incapacity or resignation of the President. Nine times in our history, vice presidents have succeeded to the presidency: John Tyler (1841), Millard Fillmore (1850), Andrew Johnson (1865), Chester A. Arthur (1881), Theodore Roosevelt (1901), Calvin Coolidge (1923), Harry Truman (1945), Lyndon Johnson (1963), and Gerald Ford (1974). Of course, the vice president also has a significant secondary role: It is he or she, acting with a majority of the Cabinet, who can declare the president incapable of carrying out the duties of the office, and then take charge - until the action is either ratified or rejected by a majority of the Congress. So far in our history, however, this has never occurred.

Given the fact that the 2008 GOP standard-bearer John McCain is seventy-two years of age, his selection of an inexperienced Vice Presidential running mate, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, has again focused attention on the process and procedures for selecting vice presidents - or, to put it more bluntly, the utter lack of process or procedures in selecting the person who is a heartbeat away from the presidency. McCain, not unlike others before him, selected a less than fully vetted running mate for political reasons. That is surely a concern for voters to think over in the upcoming election - but it raises a systemic concern, too, for the long run.

Consider this parallel: Does anyone believe that if John McCain were president and had selected Governor Sarah Palin under the Twenty-fifty Amendment to fill a vacancy in the vice presidency, Congress would have confirmed her? Not likely. In fact, it is even less likely that McCain would have even attempted to do so, for he would have embarrassed himself.

While the Constitution does not expressly set forth qualifications for the vice-presidency, it strongly implies them --- and Palin falls short.

How Our Constitutional Process for Selecting Vice Presidents Evolved

Our founders gave little thought to the vice presidential selection process. Initially, the candidate who placed second in Electoral College votes became vice president. While this worked for the first three presidential elections, the election of 1800 produced a tie in the Electoral College, between Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr (both of the same party), and although Burr was the announced candidate for vice president, when he came up with a tie vote, he refused to step aside, forcing the resolution of the contest in the House of Representatives, which proved to be a messy affair.

This clear flaw in the system was corrected by the Twelfth Amendment, which requires electors to vote separately for president and vice president. It was the Twelfth Amendment (adopted in 1804), along with the growth of political parties, that encouraged the pairing of candidates in the presidential election. Since then, the vice presidential selection process has evolved from party leaders' making the selection to the current system, under which the party's presidential nominee is given the power to select a vice presidential running mate.

The Twenty-fifth Amendment (adopted in 1967) indirectly codified the power of a candidate for president to select his vice president, for the Amendment states that when there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, "the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress." A Vice President, like a President, must be a natural born citizen, at least thirty-five years of age, and a resident of the United States for fourteen years.

Of course, Sarah Palin, McCain's running mate, meets the minimum constitutional requirements. But there also exists a clear subtext within the Constitution, and related statutes, that suggests that there are other, implicit qualifications for the Vice President, as well - qualifications as to which Governor Palin falls short. While this subtext is plainly not formally binding on either a presidential candidate or president, candidates and presidents have traditionally followed the implicit qualifications suggested by the Constitution.

The Twenty-fifth Amendment Suggests the Primary Qualifications for Vice Presidents: Be Equipped to Serve as President Starting, if Necessary, on Day One

I served as minority counsel to the House Judiciary Committee when the Committee was working on the Twenty-fifty Amendment. Accordingly, I recall well the difficult debates and discussions on how vacancies in the vice presidency should be filled. The procedures under discussion ranged from a special national election for the vice president, to a convening of the Electoral College to make the decision, to the selection of a vice president by the Congress.

The process that was actually settled on, as I mentioned earlier, codified the procedure that had evolved over the years, through which the candidate selected his running mate. In line with that procedure, presidents were similarly given the power to fill vacancies in the office of the vice president. But there was a crucial difference: Under the Twenty-fifth Amendment, presidents can only fill that office with the approval of a majority vote of both the House and Senate. Confirmation thus entails not only ratification by the public, but also scrutiny by political pros who assure Americans that the new vice president is up to the task of taking charge.

Twice, the Twenty-fifty Amendment has been employed to fill a vacancy in the vice presidency. Nixon appointed Gerald Ford to fill the office when Vice President Spiro Agnew resigned (under threat of indictment). Then, after Nixon resigned, and Ford succeeded to the presidency, Ford used it to appoint Nelson Rockefeller his Vice President.

Both Nixon and Ford explained their decisions, and the criteria at the top of their lists. Nixon wrote in RN: Memoirs of Richard Nixon that from "the outset of the search for a new Vice President I had established four criteria for the man I would select: qualification to be President; ideological affinity; loyalty and confirmability." (Emphasis added.) Nixon's first choice was his Secretary of Treasury John Connally, who was dropped because he would have confirmation problems. (Connally was, in fact, later indicted but acquitted.) New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller and California Governor Ronald Reagan were taken off Nixon's list because the selection of either one over the other would have split the Republican Party. Finally, also on the list was Jerry Ford, the Minority Leader of the House, on whom Nixon settled.

Ford explained in A Time To Heal: The Autobiography of Gerald R. Ford that he had given considerable thought to filling the vice presidency when he became president, and his staff developed a ranking system. "There was one overriding criterion," he wrote to explain his baseline: "[H]e had to be a man fully qualified to step into my shoes should something happen to me."

Ford's top aides eliminated George H. W. Bush, who had served in the House of Representatives and headed the Republican National Committee, "as not yet ready to handle the rough challenges of the Oval Office." And when Ford settled on one of the wealthiest men in America, Nelson Rockefeller, it resulted in protracted confirmation hearings because of the extent of Rockefeller's holdings (which might have raised conflicts of interest). But in the end, Rockefeller was confirmed.

Congress Has Also Suggested Vice Presidential Qualifications Indirectly In the Succession Statutes It Has Passed

The Twenty-fifth Amendment only covers succession to the presidency or vice presidency when one of these offices is vacant - not both. It is silent if there are vacancies in both of the offices of the President and Vice President. The scenario of concurrent vacancies has, however, been addressed by Congress, most recently in a 1947 law.

The line of succession to the presidency begins with the Speaker of the House of Representatives (currently, Nancy Pelosi of California). Next is the President pro tempore of the Senate (currently, Robert Byrd of West Virginia). Finally, if neither of these officers is willing or able to take the post, the succession law turns to the President's Cabinet members.

The current order of succession is Secretary of State (currently, Condoleezza Rice), Secretary of the Treasury (Henry Paulson), Secretary of Defense (Robert Gates), Attorney General (Michael Mukasey), Secretary of the Interior (Dirk Kempthorne ), Secretary of Agriculture (Edward Schafer), Secretary of Commerce (Carlos Gutierrez, who was born in Cuba, and thus not "natural born"), Secretary of Labor (Elaine Chao, who was born in Taiwan, and thus not "natural born"), Secretary of Health and Human Services (Mike Leavitt), Secretary of Housing and Urban Development (Steven Preston), Secretary of Transportation (Mary Peters), Secretary of Energy (Samuel Bodman), Secretary of Education (Margaret Spellings), Secretary of Veterans Affairs (James Peake) and Secretary of Homeland Security (Michael Chertoff). Under the succession statute, the presidency is filled for the remainder of the president's term.

Although this 1947 succession statute has been appropriately criticized, Congress has been reluctant to change it. The Congressional consensus has been that if there is a dual vacancy in the Executive branch's elected officials, it should be temporarily filled by a seasoned elected official from the Legislative Branch. In practice, while the full line of succession has been stipulated, it is unlikely that we will ever need to go beyond the Speaker of the House to fill the vacancy temporarily.

If neither the Speaker nor the President pro tempore is up to the task of serving, Congress has been comfortable with the caliber of appointees serving as Secretaries of State, Treasury, or Defense to serve as temporary president - for no one believes (absent a dramatic situation such as a massive attack on the seat of government that would call into force continuity-of-government plans) that the succession process would ever proceed beyond the "big three" Cabinet posts.

Governor Sarah Palin Does Not Qualify Under the Implicit Constitutional Standards

When Nixon selected Ford to be his Vice President, and Ford selected Rockefeller, the government was divided, with the Democrats controlling Congress. Yet a Democratic Congress approved both Ford and Rockefeller to be Vice President based on inter-branch comity. Surely no one would argue that Sarah Palin is in a league with Ford and Rockefeller when it comes to experience.

Nor does Palin possess anything close to the experience qualifications of the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, or the President pro tempore of the Senate, Robert Byrd. Indeed, I feel confident that Palin could not get confirmed for any of the top presidential succession posts, namely the posts of Secretary of State, Treasury and Defense. Palin's lack of qualifications have been widely noted. Newspapers from her state have raised questions of her qualifications.

Recently, I was in Alaska, just after Palin's name was first floated as a possible McCain running mate. Although I am not a Democrat, I gave a keynote speech at the Democrats' state convention. During my visit, a senior Democratic Party official said to me that he sure hoped McCain would select Palin, because based on his observation of her record Alaska, he opined that, : "She's screwing up Alaska big time, and she could probably assure defeat for McCain." His wish may be coming true.


John Dean a FindLaw columnist, is a former counsel to the president.


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chassie on September 5, 2008 at 06:54 PM

I think he had her killed.

Posted by Sally-* on September 5, 2008 at 06:43 PM


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Your one "CREWL SON OF A BITCH", FUCK YOU AND THE HORSE YOU RODE IN ON. Your lower then a snail.
Jack loved his wife immensely.

This is not a true Compassionate Republican, people. This is a genuine slimeball. No wonder your wife got rid of your sorry ass.

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chassie on September 5, 2008 at 07:01 PM

And that gold dress looked like something from a Star Trek episode.)

Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on September 5, 2008 at 04:47 PM

Pretty catty there DoPeyDoodle, ya old hen.

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Sally-* on September 5, 2008 at 07:06 PM

There once was a time when a headline like this would say the United States.

AP
ESA spacecraft completes flyby of Steins asteroid


DARMSTADT, Germany - The Rosetta deep space probe successfully passed close to an asteroid 250 million miles from Earth, the European Space Agency said Friday night.

In a mission that may bring man closer to solving the mystery of the solar system's birth, the craft completed its flyby of the Steins asteroid, also known as Asteroid 2867 — now in the asteroid belt between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter — at around 3:15 p.m. EDT.

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080905/ap_on_sc/sci_asteroid_flyby

The Chinese have now sent three manned spacecraft into orbit. The Indians and Japanese are sending up craft routinely as well as the European Union. The Brazilians and Iranians have space programs.

The Russians are about ready to sever all ties with our space program and take their money with them. Will the United States even be a player in Space if McCain is elected?

The Republicans want to spend all their budget on tax cuts for the rich and new military actions against old and new adversaries. We are going to not only lose our edge in Space exploration but also in science and technology.

A country that cannot compete globally in those areas will decline.

Like Global Warming, this is a warning sign of things to come if we continue on the disasterous path that McCain wants...a third Bush term.

The alarm bells are all ringing loudly...in so many crucial parts of our economic and national security areas.

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SandyH on September 5, 2008 at 07:17 PM

Arctic Sees Massive Gain in Ice Coverage

By Michael Asher, Daily Tech

Data from the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) has indicated a dramatic increase in sea ice extent in the Arctic regions. The growth over the past year covers an area of 700,000 square kilometers: an amount twice the size the nation of Germany. With the Arctic melting season over for 2008, ice cover will continue to increase until melting begins anew next spring.

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The data is for August 2008 and indicates a total sea ice area of six million square kilometers. Ice extent for the same month in 2007 covered 5.3 million square kilometers, a historic low. Earlier this year, media accounts were rife with predictions that this year would again see a new record. Instead, the Arctic has seen a gain of about thirteen percent.

William Chapman, a researcher with the Arctic Climate Research Center at the University of Illinois, tells DailyTech that this year the Arctic was “definitely colder” than 2007. Chapman also says part of the reason for the large ice loss in 2007 was strong winds from Siberia, which affect both ice formation and drift, forcing ice into warmer waters where it melts.

Earlier predictions were also wrong because researchers thought thinner ice would melt faster in subsequent years. Instead, according to the NSIDC, the new ice had less snow coverage to insulate it from the bitterly cold air, resulting in a faster rate of ice growth.

Most concern has focused on the Arctic regions, rather than Antarctica. Recent research has indicated Antarctica is on a long-term cooling trend, for reasons which remain unclear. Earlier this year, concerns over global warming led the US to officially list the polar bear a threatened species, over objections from experts who claimed the animal’s numbers were increasing.

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Sally-* on September 5, 2008 at 07:25 PM

The Republicans know how to hold a party?

Some of them do.

A bunch of Republicans offered me a margarita at a pool party a few weeks ago while I was canvassing an upper middle class suburb. They actually welcomed a woman handing out Obama info and bitched for 10 minutes about what their own Republican Party had done to the country.

Republicans are now saying, "God help America." They aren't afraid to say it.

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SandyH on September 5, 2008 at 07:44 PM

There is a new Evening Open Thread.

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SandyH on September 5, 2008 at 07:45 PM

Posted by Sally-* on September 5, 2008 at 07:06 PM

Go fuck yourself, you old crossdresser. "Sally", "Margaret", and whatever other women's name you have been using for several years.

Google has over 9,000 hits on that dress looking like it came from a 1960's sci-fi movie or TV show, and The Daily Show" used it as a punch line for a 2 minute segment.

Go fuck yourself, or Palin, OR her daughter. The whole family seems that they just can't get enough of that Stevie stuff. (it).

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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on September 5, 2008 at 07:57 PM

Racheal's filling in for Keith. It's pretty darn good. They showed Biden today and he has found his voice. Damn! Of course CNN didn't show Biden and didn't show a very strong part of Obama's town hall today. O was saying the R's are running on personality, O thinks he has a good personality, but they've got no plan for the middle class.

Johnyfaster, nice post about the economic royalists.

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newsjunkie on September 5, 2008 at 08:27 PM

Why does the global warming issue drive the right wing wack jobs nuts. Stop listening to that local "liberal" HA, radio. It's mushing up your brain. Global warming isn't real, Global warming isn't real. Give it a rest Sally, why in the hell do you care anyway. I'll tell you something you should worry about Sally, your next paycheck.

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newsjunkie on September 5, 2008 at 08:30 PM

Go fuck yourself, you old crossdresser. "Sally", "Margaret", and whatever other women's name you have been using for several years.

Google has over 9,000 hits on that dress looking like it came from a 1960's sci-fi movie or TV show, and The Daily Show" used it as a punch line for a 2 minute segment.

Go fuck yourself, or Palin, OR her daughter. The whole family seems that they just can't get enough of that Stevie stuff. (it).

Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on September 5, 2008 at 07:57 PM

And why is her dress important to you? Are you a dress designer?

Why, you must be a homo!

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Sally-* on September 5, 2008 at 08:49 PM

sally is a fag

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dusty2006 on September 5, 2008 at 09:49 PM

Sally and Dandy Dan has a love affair with Robert.
They call everyone Robert.

Posted by chassie on September 5, 2008 at 04:24 PM


Isn't is amusing, Chassie, that ole Danny boy, comes in under about 10 different names (I can list them if anybody wants to see them) YET THIS HYPOCRIT OLD IDIOT THINKS RJ IS HERE UNDER DIFFERENT NAMES!!!!! yOU STINKING POS !


I think he had her killed.

Posted by Sally-* on September 5, 2008 at 06:43 PM


word is you wanted your mother's crack pot and bread pans, and had her knocked off too, you worthless human being! Your Mother and Father died of embarassment from the two Sons they gave life to, which they later knew they should have had sucked out of the womb! both criminal, low class, slobs that embarassed them every day of their lives !

Night dems. blog ya all tomorrow. IGNORE. Dan and Sally aren't worth the sweat off any Democrat's brow. Any man with any class, would not be trolling on an opposing blog.
It speaks volumes of their lives.


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PamB on September 5, 2008 at 10:39 PM

Here are the Exerts from last night's Presidential Acceptance Speech - *********** - Tonight to demonstrate the constructive character of our

Party, I need only briefly picture the advance of fundamental progress

during the past seven and a half years since we took over the Government

amidst the ruin of war.
http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst203/documents/HOOVER.html ---- On poverty he promised: "We in America today are nearer to the final triumph over poverty than ever before in the history of any land." Within months, the Stock Market Crash of 1929 occurred, and the nation's economy spiraled downward into what became known as the Great Depression. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover

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johnyfaster on September 5, 2008 at 10:46 PM

Posted by PamB on September 5, 2008 at 10:39 PM

Shut up you ugly old diapered pig.

You are crazier than a rabid weasel and the Obumunist folding like a house of cards has driven you right over the edge.

Now go have Georgie give you your evening enema.

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Sally-* on September 6, 2008 at 12:09 AM

Dan and Sally aren't worth the sweat off any Democrat's brow. Any man with any class, would not be trolling on an opposing blog.
It speaks volumes of their lives.


Posted by PamB on September 5, 2008 at 10:39 PM

Just last week you were telling us about how you got banned from blogging on the Free Republic. Did you think you were properly representing crazy old coots when you were doing that?

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Sally-* on September 6, 2008 at 12:17 AM

Besides, we are fighting communism here.

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Sally-* on September 6, 2008 at 12:23 AM

Environment Minister Wilson row over green 'alarmists'


The Environment Minister Sammy Wilson has angered green campaigners by describing their view on climate change as a "hysterical psuedo-religion".

In an article in the News Letter, Mr Wilson said he believed it occurred naturally and was not man-made.

"Resources should be used to adapt to the consequences of climate change, rather than King Canute-style vainly trying to stop it," said the minister.

Peter Doran of the Green Party said it was a "deeply irresponsible message."

Mr Wilson said he refused to "blindly accept" the need to make significant changes to the economy to stop climate change.

"The tactic used by the "green gang" is to label anyone who dares disagree with their view of climate change as some kind of nutcase who denies scientific fact," he said.

The minister said he accepted climate change can occur, but does not believe the cause has been identified.

"Reasoned debate must replace the scaremongering of the green climate alarmists."

John Woods of Friends of the Earth said Mr Wilson was "like a cigarette salesman denying that smoking causes cancer".

"Ironically, if we listen to him Northern Ireland will suffer economically as we are left behind by smarter regions who are embracing the low carbon economy of the future."

It is the latest clash between Mr Wilson and green groups since his appointment as environment minister in June.

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Sally-* on September 6, 2008 at 12:30 AM

Posted by mammalicious on September 5, 2008 at 06:22 PM

awesome

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dorsano on September 6, 2008 at 04:23 PM


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