Afternoon Open Thread
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A repost from last night !
LMAO! So ALREADY, the Repugs are making up excuses for Palin tomorrow night! It is that damn Gwen Ifill! She will ask Palin some Really, Really hard questions, like when was the last time she saw russia, or maybe did she read a newspaper today!! hahahahahahaha.
and then she will ask Biden what he thinks of the Georgia/Russia situation which he went over to, or maybe about this bailout and what it all means, and how we will approach Iran to assure they do not aim nukes at us. You know, all those easy questions for Biden !
And all this on World Wide TV in front of millions of people, Gwen Ifill is going to somehow make Palin look stupider than she already is!
What a bunch of idiots !
I was listening to NPR as I drove this morning, and an ex CIA agent, who had been one for 21 years was on. He was saying the ONLY hope in the Middle East for Peace, is that the US negotiate and talk with them.
He also said that will make the Saudis very unhappy if we do, but they have never explained WHY 15 Saudis blew up the Twin Towers on 9/11 either!
Hello Pam.
Yeah I caught the preemptive whine from the republicants. The truth is that they knew Ifil was working on a book when they ok'd her for the role of moderator. They also ok'd Scheiffer who has ties with the republicans. They have set the bar so low for Moose killing barbie that if she fails in their eyes it would be only if she jumped Bidens bones on stage and dry humped him.
ON a bright note, I caught Barack's call in to ESPN this morning. He was GREAT!
Some insights for the debates
A Brief Guide to the Debates George">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-lakoff”>George Lakoff Posted October 2, 2008 | 10:07 AM (EST)In the first debate, Obama did what he needed to do: convince a majority that he has what it takes. But there is room for improvement.
1. Obama kept working within McCain's frames: Earmarks, tax policy, military policy as foreign policy, and so on. McCain would say something false using one of his frames, and Obama would be lured into correcting McCain in McCain's own frame and then stay in it. Rule 1: Change to your frame.
2. A simple thing: Instead of saying "I agree with Sen. McCain ...," Obama should try "Sen. McCain agrees with me that ..." The former frames McCain as setting the standard. The latter frames Obama as setting the standard. Or try " Sen. McCain and I agree" if you are stressing bipartisanship.
3. Obama's answers kept drifting off and falling in intonation at the end. Both beginnings and endings should be short and passionate.
4. Obama missed a great opportunity when McCain said he would freeze nonmilitary spending. A short, but powerful list of what would be cut and how it would affect people's lives could have been devastation. This can still be done however, even by Biden on Thursday.
5. McCain used "no second holocaust" to effect last week in courting the Jewish vote, which could be decisive in Florida. Obama and Biden need to use it, while pointing to Olmert's anti-bombing position along with Olmert's reasons.
6. Obama didn't take the opportunity to talk about foreign policy at the level of the person, not the state -- about foreign policy issues like poverty, hunger, disease, clean water, women's oppression, ethnic cleansing, refugees, global economics, and so on. Military experience doesn't help with these vital issues, and McCain is inexperienced in them.
The reason the list is short is that Obama did so well.
Goes on from there to talk about what Biden should do tonight.
In a Senate floor speech, Sanders elaborated on the bailout bill's flaws:
This country faces many serious problems in the financial market, in the stock market, in our economy. We must act, but we must act in a way that improves the situation. We can do better than the legislation now before Congress.
This bill does not effectively address the issue of what the taxpayers of our country will actually own after they invest hundreds of billions of dollars in toxic assets. This bill does not effectively address the issue of oversight because the oversight board members have all been handpicked by the Bush administration. This bill does not effectively deal with the issue of foreclosures and addressing that very serious issue, which is impacting millions of low- and moderate-income Americans in the aggressive, effective way that we should be. This bill does not effectively deal with the issue of executive compensation and golden parachutes. Under this bill, the CEOs and the Wall Street insiders will still, with a little bit of imagination, continue to make out like bandits.
Read the whole speech:
http://www.truthout.org/100208J?print
This subject should be addressed in tonight's debate
More violence in Pakistan; U.N. children to leave
By Augustine Anthony 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - The United Nations has ordered children of its international staff to leave Pakistan after raising its security level following a suicide attack on the Marriott hotel in the capital, a U.N. official said on Thursday.
The security alert came as a suicide bomber killed himself and three other people in northwest Pakistan in an attack aimed at a prominent ethnic Pashtun politician, police said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081002/ts_nm/us_pakistan_violence
They have set the bar so low for Moose killing barbie that if she fails in their eyes it would be only if she jumped Bidens bones on stage and dry humped him.
BlueinIdaho on October 2, 2008 at 01:16 PM
Hell, blue, I doubt that would even change their mind, that she is the best thing since sliced bread!
I heard a gal on TV the other night say, Palin has caught on with Americans because they think "She is just like me"! And the gal said, "she is just like ME, too, but I don't think I could be VP of the United States!
This broad caught on for one reason and one reason only. She was used because she was a female----and she didn't give a shit as long as she gains power!
And another subject for the debate tonight:
Russia to deploy new nuclear missile
By Michael Stott Thu Oct 2, 10:37 AM ET
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia hopes to deploy a new nuclear missile next year designed to penetrate anti-missile defenses and will build eight submarines to carry it, defense officials said on Thursday.
The latest statements underline Moscow's determination to upgrade its nuclear strike forces on land, sea and air. They are regarded by Russian commanders as the cornerstone of the country's defenses.
The F-word Channel fails math. Count the hands for yourself:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/10/01/its-split-fox-news-correspondent-needs-math-classes/
GregL: I don't quite know how to put this; but, I am really sorry about not stepping up yesterday and letting Chassie and everyone else know that we didn't have any ill-will or mean-spiritedness. We were just trading little jibes - nothing serious. We've done it in the past but it's been before the blog was 'upgraded' and a lot of people didn't blog here before.
I should have realized how sensitive Chassie is right now and understood that he was really serious in his defense of me. He's a really good guy and a serious Democrat.
So, anyway, did you happen to hear or read Sen. Sanders speech. I posted a link above. It is really good - very worth the time to read.
I'm speechless. So, if she agrees that privacy is an inherent right, how can she say that it should be a state issue only?
The "Abundance of scientific statements" that you mention as justification of your belief in 'global warming' is no sound or logical basis for deciding or believing anything. The question is whether the scientific statements have any rational justification, and whether those making them are in effect making statements that are political rather than scientific, rent-seeking rather than objective. After all, this is the age of reason (or it was). Therefore, one should not accord to "scientists" the status of infallible high priests merely because they mumble a hieratic language with which one is unfamiliar. There is clear, compelling evidence that many of the major conclusions of the IPCC, your new religion's constantly-changing Holy Book, are based on evidence that has been fabricated. The "hockey stick" graph that purported to abolish the mediaeval warm period is just one example. So let me try to lure you away from feeble-minded, religious belief in the Church of "Global Warming" and back towards the use of the faculty of reason.
Let us begin with the "devastation of New Orleans" that you mention. Even the High Priests of your Church are entirely clear that individual extreme-weather events such as Hurricane Katrina cannot, repeat cannot, be attributed to "global warming". Even the Holy Book makes this entirely plain. There was one priest - Emanuel (a good, religious name) - who had suggested there might be a link between "global warming" and hurricanes; but he has recently recanted, at least to some extent. Very nearly all others in the hierarchy of your Church are clear that ascribing individual extreme-weather events to "global warming" is impossible. Why? Well, let's take the question of landfalling Atlantic hurricanes such as Katrina. The implication of your attribution of Hurricane Katrina to "global warming" is twofold: that "global warming" is happening, and that in consequence either the frequency or the intensity of tropical weather systems such as hurricanes is increasing. Neither of these propositions is true.
Yes, there has been "global warming" for 300 years, since the end of the 60-year period of unusually low solar activity known as the Maunder Minimum (after the celebrated solar scientist-photographer who studied it). But there has been no net warming since 1995, and Keenlyside et al, in the theological journal Nature a few months ago, say they do not expect a new record year for global temperatures until 2015 at the earliest. If these theologians are correct, there will have been a D There is clear, compelling evidence that many of the major conclusions of the IPCC are based on evidence that has been fabricated. The "hockey stick" graph that purported to abolish the mediaeval warm period is just one example. 20-year period of no net "global warming" even though the presence of the devil Siotu in the ether grows inexorably stronger. And, secondly, the number of Atlantic hurricanes making landfall has actually fallen throughout the 20th century, even as temperatures have risen. Indeed, some theologians have argued that warmer weather actually reduces the temperature differential between sea and sky that generates hurricanes, reducing their frequency, and that the extra heat in the coupled ocean-atmosphere system increases wind-shear in tropical storms, tending to reduce their intensity. Certainly the frequency of intense tropical cyclones has fallen throughout the 30-year satellite record, even though temperatures have increased compared with 30 years ago. Also, the damage done by Hurricane Katrina was chiefly caused by the failure of the Democrat-led city administration to heed repeated warnings from the Corps of Engineers that the levees needed to be strengthened.
Next, you mention the recent hurricane damage at Galveston, and you imply that this is something new and terrible. Perhaps you would like to do some research of your own to verify whether the High Priests of your Church, some of whom have blamed the Galveston incident on the wrath of the devil Siotu, are likely to be telling the truth. And how, you may ask, may a non-theologian such as yourself argue theology with your High Priests? Well, the Galveston incident will give you just one indication of the many ways in which a lay member of the Church of "Global Warming" may verify for himself whether or not the Great Druids of his religion are speaking the truth from their pulpits in the media. Cast your eye back just over a century, to 1906, and look up what happened to Galveston then. Which was worse - Galveston 2008 or Galveston 1906? Next, check the global mean surface temperature in 1906: many theology faculties compile surface temperature data and make it publicly available to the faithful and to infidels alike. Was the global mean surface temperature significantly lower or significantly higher in 2008 than in 1906? What implications do your two answers have for your proposition that Galveston 2008 can be attributed to "global warming"?
Next, you mention fires in California. Once again, you can either sit slumped in your pew, gazing in adoration at the Archdruids as their pious faces flicker across your television screen, or you can do a little research for yourself. It may, for instance, occur to you to ask whether droughts were worse in the United States in the second half of the 20th century than they were in the first half. Once again, you may want to check with your local theological faculty to obtain the answer to this question. Or you may like to pick up a copy of The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck. And you may want to verify whether temperatures in the second half of the 20th century were warmer than in the first half. Once again, what are the implications of your two answers for your proposition that "global warming" is causing forest fires? You could also talk to the Fire Department in California and obtain its data on the causes of forest fires. You might be mightily surprised by the answers you get.
Next, you talk of beetles in your forests destroying natural resources. Here, you could ask the Druids just a couple of simple questions. What evidence do they have, if any, that whichever species of beetle you have in mind has not wrought havoc in the forests before? And, even if your clergy think that they have evidence that the beetle-damage is new, what evidence do they have, if any, that the beetle-damage is greater because of "global warming" than it would otherwise have been? Of course, you could ask them the wider question what evidence there is that anthropogenic "global warming", as opposed to solar warming, is the reason for the temperature increases that have occurred over the past 300 years. The more honest parish priests will admit that for 250 of the past 300 years none of the inferred warming can be attributed to human industry. They will also be compelled to concede, if you press them, that the warming of the most recent 50 years has not occurred at a rate any greater than that which was observed before, so that it is in fact very difficult to discern any anthropogenic signal at all in the temperature record.
Next, you talk of people migrating from one place to another because in some places water has become scarce. Once again, it is easy for a layman, whether a true believer such as yourself or not, to verify whether such migrations are as a result of "global warming". For instance, you could ask whether there have been changing patterns of drought and flood before in human history. Once you have collected some historical data - most theological faculties have quite a lot of this available, though you may have to dig a little to get it - you could compare previous migrations with those of which you now speak. And you could also ask your local imam whether a theological phenomenon known as the Clausius-Clapeyron relation mandates that, as the atmosphere warms, the carrying-capacity of the space occupied by the atmosphere for water vapor decreases, remains static, or increases near-exponentially. Once you have found the answers to these not particularly difficult questions, you may like to spend some of your devotional time meditating on the question whether, or to what extent, the changes in patterns of flood and drought that have occurred in the past give you any confidence that such changes occurring today are either worse than those in the past or attributable to "global warming", whether caused by the increasing presence of the devil Siotu in the atmosphere or by the natural evolution of the climate. During your meditation, you may like to refer to the passage from the 2001 edition of the Holy Book of the IPCC that describes the climate as "a complex, non-linear, chaotic object" whose long-term future evolution cannot reliably be predicted. For 250 of the past 300 years none of the inferred warming can be attributed to human industry, and the warming of the most recent 50 years has not occurred at a rate any greater than that which was observed before, so that it is in fact very difficult to discern any anthropogenic signal at all in the temperature record.
If you are willing to reflect a little on the questions I have raised - and, with the exception of the Clausius-Clapeyron relation, I have done my best to avoid anything that might be too technical for a layman to find out for himself - you will perhaps come to realize that there is very little basis in scientific fact for the alarmist, hellfire preaching in which your clergy love to indulge. And you may even find your faith in your new religion beginning to weaken a little in the face of the truths that you will have unearthed by the not particularly difficult process of simply checking those statements of your lamas that you can easily and independently verify. There are, of course, many environmental problems posed by the astonishing recent success of humankind. If you were concerned, for instance, about deforestation, or the loss of species whose habitats have been displaced by humans, then your concerns would have a good grounding in fact. But, given the abject failure of global temperatures to rise as the Druids had forecast, it must surely be clear to you that the influence of the devil Siotu on global temperatures - your theologians call this "climate sensitivity" - must be a great deal smaller than your Holy Book asks you to believe.
Finally, you may wonder why I have so scathingly described your pious belief in your new religion as founded upon blind faith rather than upon the light of reason. I have drafted this missive in this way so that you can perhaps come to see for yourself just how baffling it is to the likes of me, who were educated in the light of TH Huxley's dictum that the first duty of the scientist is skepticism, to see how easily your hierarchy is able to prey upon your naive credulity. I do not target this comment at you alone: there are far too many others who, like you, are in positions of some authority and whose duty to think these things through logically is great, and yet who simply fail to ask even the most elementary and blindingly obvious questions before sappily, happily, clappily believing in, and parroting by rote, whatever the current Establishment proposes. I do not know whether you merely believe all that you are told by the Druids because otherwise 6 you will find yourself in conflict with other true believers among your colleagues or, worse, among your superiors. If you are under pressures of this kind, I do sympathize. But if you are free to think for yourself without penalty, may I beg you - in the name of humanity - to give the use of reason a try?
Why "in the name of humanity"? Because, although the noisy preachers from the media pulpits have found it expedient not to say so, there have been food riots all round the world as the biofuel scam whipped up by the High Priests of your religion takes vast tracts of agricultural land out of food production. Millions are now starving because the price of food has doubled in little more than a year. A leaked report by theWorld Bank says that fully three-quarters of that doubling has occurred as a direct result of the biofuel scam. So your religion is causing mass starvation in faraway countries, and is even causing hardship to the poorest in your own country. Can you, in conscience, look away from the sufferings that your beliefs are inflicting upon the poorest and most helpless people in the world?
-Monckton of Brenchley Christopher Monckton was policy adviser to Margaret Thatcher as UK Prime Minister and has lectured on climate at university physics departments and at corporate meetings.
This broad caught on for one reason and one reason only. She was used because she was a female----and she didn't give a shit as long as she gains power!
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PamB on October 2, 2008 at 01:46 PM
Gee, that sounds an awful lot like Hillary. AND, YOU dearest pammy are no different. Look at what you try to do on our blog. Being Queen Troll for a bunch of spastic libs isn´t what one would exactly call the "high life".
So John McDumb is now saying that the reason Obama is rising in the polls is that "life isn't fair." WTF? If Obama was dropping would that mean life is fair? Could it possibly be that Obama is a better man running a better campaign? What an effing moron.
Oh heck Mary, don't worry about it. I felt really bad yesterday though, when I connected the dots and realized it was chassie whose son had died and also realized, to my horror, that I had never said anything to him about it. Shows where THIS election has got my head...hey, I wonder if that's one of them there polyp thingies....
BlueinIdaho on October 2, 2008 at 02:01 PM
Because she thinks their should be fifty-one, instead of one, seperate interpretations of what is private and what is not? In other words, she's talking out of the side of her neck.
Oh, and reading the Sanders speech now. I'm very disappointed in our Senators....maybe someone can make sure the House doesn't pass this garbage, or is it already done?
This is a bunch of crap - McCain is beginning to sound like Bush more every day. He wouldn't know how to tell the truth if it bit him in his ass.
"I came back and suspended my campaign and got the House into the negotiations at the table, which they had not been before. We were able to get a large increase in the number of Republicans who voted for it. We were able to make significant changes in the bill, which improved it rather dramatically. And I'm confident it will go through the House of Representatives."
McCain said Obama's approach was to "phone it in" -- in regards to working with congressional leaders.
"That's the difference. I suspended my campaign and put my country first. And even if I had failed, it was still the right thing to do. We didn't fail. It's going to pass."
McCain also said his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, will perform well in Thursday night's vice presidential debate in St. Louis, Missouri.
"The fact is she'll do fine tonight. She has experience, talent, leadership. She has great inner strength. She has an ability to lead that's been proven, taken on her own party," he said. "Joe Biden and Barack Obama have never taken on the leaders of their party on any issue. She's stood up for what's right for the people of Alaska. And she will stand up for what's right for America."
"The fact is she'll do fine tonight. She has experience, talent, leadership. She has great inner strength. She has an ability to lead that's been proven, taken on her own party," he said. "Joe Biden and Barack Obama have never taken on the leaders of their party on any issue. She's stood up for what's right for the people of Alaska. And she will stand up for what's right for America."
and there really is a white rabbit and Santa Claus is coming to town....
35 Inconvenient Truths
The errors in Al Gore’s movie
ERROR 1
Sea level "rising 6 m"
Gore says that a sea-level rise of up to 6 m (20 ft) will be caused by melting of either West Antarctica or Greenland. Though Gore does not say that the sea-level rise will occur in the near future, the judge found that, in the context, it was clear that this is what he had meant, since he showed expensive graphical representations of the effect of his imagined 6 m (20 ft) sea-level rise on existing populations, and he quantified the numbers who would be displaced by the sea-level rise.
The IPCC says sea-level increases up to 7 m (23 ft) above today’s levels have happened naturally in the past climate, and would only be likely to happen again after several millennia. In the next 100 years, according to calculations based on figures in the IPCC’s 2007 report, these two ice sheets between them will add a little over 6 cm (2.5 inches) to sea level, not 6 m (this figure of 6 cm is 15% of the IPCC’s total central estimate of a 43 cm or 1 ft 5 in sea-level rise over the next century). Gore has accordingly exaggerated the official sea-level estimate by approaching 10,000 per cent.
Ms. Kreider says the IPCC estimates a sea-level rise of “59 cm” by 2100. She fails to point out that this amounts to less than 2 ft, not the 20 ft imagined by Gore. She also fails to point out that this is the IPCC’s upper estimate, on its most extreme scenario. And she fails to state that the IPCC, faced with a stream of peer-reviewed articles stating that sea-level rise is not a threat, has reduced this upper estimate from 3 ft in 2001 to less than 2 ft (i.e. half the mean centennial sea-level rise that has occurred since the end of the last Ice Age 10,000 years ago) in 2007.
Ms. Kreider says the IPCC’s 2007 sea-level calculations excluded contributions from Greenland and West Antarctica because they could not be quantified. However, Table SPM1 of the 2007 report quantifies the contributions of these two ice-sheets to sea-level rise as representing about 15% of the total change.
The report also mentions the possibility that there may be an unquantified further contribution in future from these two ice sheets arising from “dynamical ice flow.” However, the Greenland ice sheet rests in a depression in the bedrock created by its own weight, wherefore “dynamical ice flow” is impossible, and the IPCC says that temperature would have to be sustained at more than 5.5 degrees C above its present level for several millennia before half the Greenland ice sheet could melt, causing sea level to rise by some 3 m (10 ft).
Finally, the IPCC’s 2007 report estimates that the likelihood that humankind is having any influence on sea level at all is little better than 50:50.
The judge was accordingly correct in finding that Gore’s presentation of the imagined imminent threat of a 6 m (20 ft) sea-level rise, with his account of the supposed impact on the present-day populations of Manhattan, the Netherlands, Bangladesh, etc., etc, was not a correct statement of the mainstream science on this question.
The first time, something did not post correctly, let me try again:
A Brief Guide to the Debates George Lakoff Posted October 2, 2008 | 10:07 AM (EST)In the first debate, Obama did what he needed to do: convince a majority that he has what it takes. But there is room for improvement.
1. Obama kept working within McCain's frames: Earmarks, tax policy, military policy as foreign policy, and so on. McCain would say something false using one of his frames, and Obama would be lured into correcting McCain in McCain's own frame and then stay in it. Rule 1: Change to your frame.
2. A simple thing: Instead of saying "I agree with Sen. McCain ...," Obama should try "Sen. McCain agrees with me that ..." The former frames McCain as setting the standard. The latter frames Obama as setting the standard. Or try " Sen. McCain and I agree" if you are stressing bipartisanship.
3. Obama's answers kept drifting off and falling in intonation at the end. Both beginnings and endings should be short and passionate.
4. Obama missed a great opportunity when McCain said he would freeze nonmilitary spending. A short, but powerful list of what would be cut and how it would affect people's lives could have been devastation. This can still be done however, even by Biden on Thursday.
5. McCain used "no second holocaust" to effect last week in courting the Jewish vote, which could be decisive in Florida. Obama and Biden need to use it, while pointing to Olmert's anti-bombing position along with Olmert's reasons.
6. Obama didn't take the opportunity to talk about foreign policy at the level of the person, not the state -- about foreign policy issues like poverty, hunger, disease, clean water, women's oppression, ethnic cleansing, refugees, global economics, and so on. Military experience doesn't help with these vital issues, and McCain is inexperienced in them.
The reason the list is short is that Obama did so well.
Get your schnapps ready for tonight, folks, and...
Why would anyone want to deny Global Warming? So they can watch their children starve or drown? Hopeless idiots. The science is solid and the deniers are useless pieces of shit.
One last post before heading back to work...I keep hearing about how the more Congress delays on this BAILOUT, the more credit dries up, yada, yada, yada...anybody seen credit drying up? Any credible sources of businesses closing their doors because Congress hasn't passed this legislation yet? Any one know of someone (with good credit) going for a loan that can't get it? Hmmm? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
Posted by Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on October 2, 2008 at 02:25 PM
Don´t forget your diaper dopedoodle, you´ll all crap yourselves when the Lovely and talented sarah rips ole joe a new asshole.
The science is solid and the deniers are useless pieces of shit.
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Christopher_blunt_proud_member_of_the_VLWC on October 2, 2008 at 02:27 PM
Why should anyone believe what your doofus Uncle Al says? He´s nothing but a sore loser, and anybody who would blindly believe any of his crap is a retard.
Politico reporting McCain is pulling out of Michigan, click below for link.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/McCain_pulling_out_of_Michigan.html
Posted by Christopher_blunt_proud_member_of_the_VLWC on October 2, 2008 at 02:27 PM
Why? Cuz once they admit that it is a legitimate concern they'll have to also recognize that the earth revolves around the sun and that cigarettes cause cancer.
Denying the obvious is their job.
Ok, really the last one now...
Joe Biden and Barack Obama have never taken on the leaders of their party on any issue.
Does McCain ever stop to think the reason someone may never have "taken on the leaders of their party" (a false statement anyway, but neither here nor there.) might be because they agree with the leaders of their party on most things? Oh, and btw, John? Obama and Biden ARE the leaders of their party.
35 Inconvenient Truths
The errors in Al Gore’s movie
ERROR 2
Pacific islands "drowning"
Gore says low-lying inhabited Pacific coral atolls are already being inundated because of anthropogenic global warming, leading to the evacuation of several island populations to New Zealand. However, the atolls are not being inundated, except where dynamiting of reefs or over-extraction of fresh water by local populations has caused damage.
Furthermore, corals can grow at ten times the predicted rate of increase in sea level. It is not by some accident or coincidence that so many atolls reach just a few feet above the ocean surface.
Ms. Kreider says, “The IPCC estimates that 150 million environmental refugees could exist by the year 2050, due mainly to the effects of coastal flooding, shoreline erosion and agricultural disruption.” However, the IPCC cannot be basing its estimate on sea-level rise, since even its maximum projected rise of just 30 cm (1 ft) by 2050 would not cause significant coastal flooding or shoreline erosion. There are several coastlines (the east coast of England, for instance) where the land is sinking as a consequence of post-ice-age isostatic recovery, or where (as in Bangladesh) tectonic subduction is similarly causing the land to sink. But such natural causes owe nothing to sea-level rise.
There have been no mass evacuations of populations of islanders as suggested by Gore, though some residents of Tuvalu have asked to be moved to New Zealand, even though the tide-gauges maintained until recently by the National Tidal Facility of Australia show a mean annual sea-level rise over the past half-century equivalent to the thickness of a human hair. The problem with the Carteret Islands, mentioned by Ms. Kreider, arose not because of rising sea levels but because of imprudent dynamiting of the reefs by local fishermen.
In the Maldives, a detailed recent study showed that sea levels were unchanged today compared with 1250 years ago, though they have been higher in much of the intervening period, and have very seldom been lower.
A well-established tree very close to the Maldivian shoreline and only inches above sea level was recently uprooted by Australian environmentalists anxious to destroy this visible proof that sea level cannot have risen very far.
Al Gore sure has been shoved to the back of the media room since this crisis on Wall Street broke. Hell, I haven't seen a word on that idiot in months. I guess his scam is fast losing it's appeal in a world where people are worried about keeping their jobs instead of tilting at windmills that generate electricity.
I have, one of my absolute best friends for the last 30 years who happens to be gay. And I love her dearly. And she is not my “gay friend.” She is one of my best friends who happens to have made a choice that isn’t a choice that I have made. But I am not gonna judge people. And I love America where we are more tolerant than other countries are. And are more accepting of some of these choices that sometimes people want to believe reflects solely on an individual’s values or not. Homosexuality, I am not gonna judge people. -- Palin
I bet she thinks that Barack chose to be black and McBush chose to be old. She'll never forgive him for that...
If I pedal my bicycle home from my job (providing I still have one this winter) would it be OK with Al Gore if I burned some of my carbon credits to heat my home?
Geez, it looks like someone has it bad for Al Gore. I thought he was a bit better looking when he was slimmer, but, to each his own.
I bet she thinks that Barack chose to be black and McBush chose to be old. She'll never forgive him for that...
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BlueinIdaho on October 2, 2008 at 02:38 PM
Well BlewinIdaho, what about the liberal lapdog Mikey jackson? Whats HIS excuse for his odd lifestyle? AHHHHHH, he had a bad childhood and that coupled with global warming made him like little boys and also made him screw up his face.
By the way Blew, Now that the business climate is getting worse and companies like Blue Cross have to tighten their belts in order to stay above water, do you think they might take a dim view of employees, especially highly paid lawyers, who abuse their work computer privileges by blogging all day on the company nickel?
Chris, These Repugs are so lock step with Right moonbat thinking, they can't even TELL you why they are against Global Warming iniatives! Try and ask them Why they would not want clean air, clean water, and they don't know what to say. Kool aid drinking sheeple is all they are.
LMAO at this one !
McCain On Ifill: I Wish They'd Picked Someone Else
OF COURSE YOU DO, YOU OLD SENILE DOUCHE BAG! SOMEBODY LIKE MAYBE KARL ROVE, RIGHT? OR HOW ABOUT GEORGIE BUSH? OR PERHAPS EVEN YOURSELF, SEEING AS HOW YOU HAVE BEEN HER PUPPET MASTER SINCE YOU CHOSE HER !
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/02/mccain-on-ifill-i-wish-th_n_131162.html
And she is not my “gay friend.” She is one of my best friends who happens to have made a choice that isn’t a choice that I have made. But I am not gonna judge people. And I love America where we are more tolerant than other
Oh the Baptists are going to love that line. NOT. I swear, in the south, the white baptists are all paranoid about gays. I was at a birthday party and a 9 yr. old girl comes dragging her 4 yr. old brother up crying. All of the moms are like what happened, the little girl says, He kissed another boys hand. I kid you not. I said, "Why is everyone around here so homophobic." In school, because they had gay marriage on the ballot, all of the kids started accusing the other kids of being gay. Hell, my kid didn't even know what it meant. So now I had to explain to my 9 year old what a homophobe is.
God help us all, let this be over and remembered as a time of hell that has passed, please god I beg of you. Amen.
The republicans have tainted everything with their greed and hate.
Posted by PamB on October 2, 2008 at 02:46 PM
hey old broad, your shouting again. Don´t you have any manners?
I believe that Biden is the first vice presidential candidate with hair plugs.
35 Inconvenient Truths
The errors in Al Gore’s movie
ERROR 3
Thermohaline circulation "stopping"
Gore says “global warming” may shut down the thermohaline circulation in the oceans, which he calls the “ocean conveyor,” plunging Europe into an ice age. It will not. A paper published in 2006 says: “Analyses of ocean observations and model simulations suggest that changes in the thermohaline circulation during the last century are likely the result of natural multidecadal climate variability. Indications of a sustained thermohaline circulation weakening are not seen during the last few decades. Instead, a strengthening since the 1980s is observed.”
Ms. Kreider, for Mr. Gore, says that “multiple scientists” have claimed that we cannot exclude the possibility of the disruption or shutdown of the Conveyor. Disruption, perhaps: shutdown, no. It is now near-universally accepted that the thermohaline circulation cannot be and will not be shut down by “global warming,” and the film should have been corrected to reflect the consensus.
By the way Blew, Now that the business climate is getting worse and companies like Blue Cross have to tighten their belts in order to stay above water, do you think they might take a dim view of employees, especially highly paid lawyers, who abuse their work computer privileges by blogging all day on the company nickel?
KIND OF LIKE THE TORO COMPANY IN MN WERE ABOUT YOUR BUDDY, THOMASS???? boy were they pissed!
In the continual stream of open-mouth-insert-foot sound bites from Sarah Palin's interview with Katie Couric is this latest tidbit:
"I'm not going to solely blame all of man's activities on changes in climate because the world's weather patterns are cyclical, and over history we have seen changes there. But it kinda doesn't matter at this point in the debate what caused it. The point is it's real; we need to do something about it."
Well, kinda, it does matter. Because knowing and caring about the cause of a problem help us determine the solution—whether it's climate change or anything else that affects our country. Right? Not that this is the first time Palin has proved herself to be cavalier about environmental issues, which she's changed her position on before.
You can see the video here. The climate change remarks are about four minutes and 30 seconds in, but before that, Palin and McCain have a segment about "Drill, baby, drill" that's worth checking out for anyone who's missed it.
I believe the republicans have truly secured the trifecta of failure in their choice for VP. Not only is she an ignorant Pollyanna who doesn't keep up with National or World events, she also phrases her unsupported opinions in such a way that she offends both sides of an issue, and to top it off she doesn't even realize it!
No wonder the trolls are so pissy lately.
35 Inconvenient Truths
The errors in Al Gore’s movie
ERROR 4
CO2 "driving temperature"
Gore says that in each of the last four interglacial warm periods it was changes in carbon dioxide concentration that caused changes in temperature. It was the other way about. Changes in temperature preceded changes in CO2 concentration by between 800 and 2800 years, as scientific papers including the paper on which Gore’s film had relied had made clear.
Ms. Kreider says it is true that “greenhouse gas levels and temperature changes in the ice signals have a complicated relationship but they do fit.” This does not address Gore’s error at all. The judge found that Gore had very clearly implied that it was changes in carbon dioxide concentration that had led to changes in temperature in the palaeoclimate, when the scientific literature is unanimous (save only for a single paper by James Hansen, whom Gore trusts) to the effect that the relationship was in fact the other way about, with a carbon dioxide feedback contributing only a comparatively insignificant further increase to temperature after the temperature change had itself initiated a change in carbon dioxide concentration.
The significance of this error was explained during the court proceedings, and was accepted by the judge. Gore says that the 100 ppmv difference between carbon dioxide concentrations during ice-age temperature minima and interglacial temperature maxima represents “the difference between a nice day and a mile of ice above your head.” This would imply a CO2 effect on temperature about 10 times greater than that regarded as plausible by the consensus of mainstream scientific opinion (see Error 10).
Ms. Kreider refers readers to a “more complete description” available at a website maintained by, among others, two of the three authors of the now-discredited “hockey stick” graph that falsely attempted to abolish the Mediaeval Warm Period. The National Academy of Sciences in the US had found that graph to have “a validation skill not significantly different from zero” – i.e., the graph was useless.
Why is it that Pamela has no life outside of politics? Has her plans for retirement been reduced down to blogging on here day and night, never leaving her hovel save to sneak out at night and kick over Liberman lawn signs and howl at the moon? Why does she never mention George anymore? is he still around or has he finally had enough of living under the same roof as a wigged out psychopath who wakes him up in the middle of the night screaming "GODDAMN GEORGE BUSH, GODDAMN LIEBERMAN"? maybe he just walked down to the corner bar one night and never came back, finding life on the road living out of the back of his pickup more appealing than living with a genuine nutcase?
Try and ask them Why they would not want clean air, clean water, and they don't know what to say. Kool aid drinking sheeple is all they are.
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PamB on October 2, 2008 at 02:46 PM
I know what to say. Clean air and clean water have nothing to do with what they are trying to pass off as global frickin warmin. Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. In fact we put it in our water to make soda.
So this is where everyone is? Sorry, I've been posting to myself since lunch break. Here's a repost:
CalDemo on October 2, 2008 at 01:11 PM
Caldemo,
Those so called tax breaks never filter down to the middle class or working poor. They always pop up as higher fees and new forms of taxation at different levels of government ultimately being tacked on in the form of inflation, less services, or poor maintenance/neglect.
Everything is falling apart because of the excesses of the Republicans. Not only couldn't they contain themselves with no-bid privatization contracts...they went way overboard with pork spending that they have always attributed to only Democrats.
That fallacy has been debunked for all time now.
The Bush Era has proven again that Republican ideology doesn't work and leads to greed and corruption...and especially incompetence. Every generation has to re-learn what everyone has always known: Republicans are in it for themselves.
doesn´t all of the major american breweries put carbon dioxide in beer also?
Posted by PamB on October 2, 2008 at 02:52 PM
Pam, doesn't bother me in the least if they think that I work for that company. Maybe my health benefits will get better... :)
I wonder if Al Gore had a distant ancestor who lived in Europe in the middle ages. One who, when the sun spots increased and caused the earth to warm allowing for better crops and more food, ran around yelling that the end of the world was at hand and that everyone should stop burning wood for heat and cooking? I wonder if that ancient ancestor of Al Gore's isn't one of those bog men they find every so often. Tied hand and foot and with thier heads bashed in, left to sink deep into the marsh and molder for eternity.
newsjunkie on October 2, 2008 at 02:35 PM
news,
He may have to pull out of Arizona if things keep going the way they are.
35 Inconvenient Truths
The errors in Al Gore’s movie
ERROR 5
Snows of Kilimanjaro "melting"
Gore says “global warming” has been melting the snows of Mount Kilimanjaro in Africa. It is not.
The melting of the Furtwangler Glacier at the summit of the mountain began 125 years ago. More of the glacier had melted before Hemingway wrote The Snows of Kilimanjaro in 1936 than afterward.
Temperature at the summit never rises above freezing and is at an average of –7 Celsius. The cause of the melting is long-term climate shifts exacerbated by imprudent regional deforestation, and has nothing to do with “global warming.”
Ms. Kreider says, “Every tropical glacier for which we have documented evidence shows that glaciers are retreating.” However, a recent survey of the glaciers in the tropical Andes shows that they were largely ice-free in the past 10,000 years, except on the very highest peaks. The mere fact of warming or melting, therefore, tells us nothing of the cause.
Ms. Kreider says, “Global warming exacerbates the stresses that ecosystems (and humans) are already experiencing.” However, since the temperature at the summit of Kilimanjaro remains below freezing and has not risen in 30 years, “global warming” is not “exacerbating the stresses” at the summit of Kilimanjaro.
Wish They'd Picked Someone Else
Posted by PamB on October 2, 2008 at 02:46 PM
That's the Republican lament alright...about McCain and Palin.
35 Inconvenient Truths
The errors in Al Gore’s movie
ERROR 6
Lake Chad "drying up"
Gore says “global warming” dried up Lake Chad in Africa. It did not. Over-extraction of water and changing agricultural patterns dried the lake, which was also dry in 8500BC, 5500BC, 1000BC and 100BC. Ms. Kreider says, “There are multiple stresses upon Lake Chad.” However, the scientific consensus is that at present those “stresses” do not include “global warming.”
The lovely and talented Sarah will make plugs look like the fool he obviously is.
BlueinIdaho on October 2, 2008 at 02:53 PM
Blue,
The pundits are calling Palin's problem "getting it a little backward." Most Americans would call it "getting it a little Britany."
Have you noticed how the MSM thinks all the new voters are under 25? That's a stupid assumption for these doorknobs to make.
Many of the people I've met at registration events are well into their 40's. These are the untapped Democrats that we have been overlooking for ages. Most are the working poor.
It took the determination of a new generation and millions of women finally finding their voices (and the disasters of the Bush Crime Family) for them to come out and take their place among millions of other responsible Americans and exercise their rights.
It's our country and we only have a stake in it if we vote. It's finally sinking in for these previously disenfranchised adults. They have to be assertive and make their government work for them not the rich.
35 Inconvenient Truths
The errors in Al Gore’s movie
ERROR 7
Hurricane Katrina "man made"
Gore says Hurricane Katrina, that devastated New Orleans in 2005, was caused by “global warming.” It was not. It was caused by the failure of Gore’s party, in the administration of New Orleans, to heed 30 years of warnings by the Corps of Engineers that the levees – dams that kept New Orleans dry – could not stand a direct hit by a hurricane. Katrina was only Category 3 when it struck the levees. They failed, as the Engineers had said they would. Gore’s party, not “global warming,” was to blame for the consequent death and destruction.
Ms. Kreider says, “Mr. Gore has never addressed the issue of climate change and hurricane frequency.” What Gore actually says, however, addresses the frequency not only of hurricanes but also of typhoons and tornadoes –
“We have seen in the last couple of years, a lot of big hurricanes. Hurricanes Jean, Francis and Ivan were among them. In the same year we had that string of big hurricanes; we also set an all time record for tornadoes in the United States. Japan again didn’t get as much attention in our news media, but they set an all time record for typhoons. The previous record was seven. Here are all ten of the ones they had in 2004.”
For the record, however, the number of Atlantic hurricanes shows no trend over the past half century; the number of typhoons has fallen throughout the past 30 years; the number of tornadoes has risen only because of better detection systems for smaller tornadoes; but the number of larger tornadoes in the US has fallen.
I think that the McDumb camp's complaints about tonight's moderator are a transparent attempt to give her an excuse to walk out if she doesn't like the way things are going. She'll complain that the questions are unfair and leave the stage.
Any of you liberal oddballs seen Elvis lately?
neo_con on October 2, 2008 at 03:03 PM
Yes, in Branson. Along with John Wayne and Barry Goldwater. The Ghost of Conservatism Past was certainly there but it's fading fast.
I really enjoyed the new 50's and 60's music acts performing there as well as the great country music...especially the bluegrass. There is change in the air even in Branson.
Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. In fact we put it in our water to make soda.
See if you can wrap your mind around this! NO ONE SAID IT WAS A POLLUTENT! IT TRAPS THE HEAT
The greenhouse effect is the rise in temperature that the Earth experiences because certain gases in the atmosphere (water vapor, carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, and methane, for example) trap energy from the sun. Without these gases, heat would escape back into space and Earth’s average temperature would be about 60ºF colder. Because of how they warm our world, these gases are referred to as greenhouse gases.
Have you ever seen a greenhouse? Most greenhouses look like a small glass house. Greenhouses are used to grow plants, especially in the winter. Greenhouses work by trapping heat from the sun. The glass panels of the greenhouse let in light but keep heat from escaping. This causes the greenhouse to heat up, much like the inside of a car parked in sunlight, and keeps the plants warm enough to live in the winter.
The Earth’s atmosphere is all around us. It is the air that we breathe. Greenhouse gases in the atmosphere behave much like the glass panes in a greenhouse. Sunlight enters the Earth's atmosphere, passing through the blanket of greenhouse gases. As it reaches the Earth's surface, land, water, and biosphere absorb the sunlight’s energy. Once absorbed, this energy is sent back into the atmosphere. Some of the energy passes back into space, but much of it remains trapped in the atmosphere by the greenhouse gases, causing our world to heat up.
http://epa.gov/climatechange/kids/greenhouse.html
There! now you got it??
come on over,guys and gals! it's a big tent!
Economic Fears Driving Voters Into Obama Camp
35 Inconvenient Truths
The errors in Al Gore’s movie
ERROR 8
Polar bear "dying"
Gore says a scientific study shows that polar bears are being killed swimming long distances to find ice that has melted away because of “global warming.” They are not. The study, by Monnett & Gleason (2005), mentioned just four dead bears. They had died in an exceptional storm, with high winds and waves in the Beaufort Sea. The amount of sea ice in the Beaufort Sea has grown over the past 30 years. A report for the World Wide Fund for Nature shows that polar bears, which are warm-blooded, have grown in numbers where temperature has increased, and have become fewer where temperature has fallen. Polar bears evolved from brown bears 200,000 years ago, and survived the last interglacial period, when global temperature was 5 degrees Celsius warmer than the present and there was probably no Arctic ice-cap at all. The real threat to polar bears is not “global warming” but hunting. In 1940, there were just 5,000 polar bears worldwide. Now that hunting is controlled, there are 25,000.
Ms. Kreider says sea-ice “was the lowest ever measured for minimum extent in 2007.” She does not say that the measurements, which are done by satellite, go back only 29 years. She does not say that the North-West Passage, a good proxy for Arctic sea-ice extent, was open to shipping in 1945, or that Amundsen passed through in a sailing vessel in 1903.
Why is this nitwit wasting time post 2 year old opinion pieces by "Lord" Christopher Monckton of Brenchley?
Especially when he KNOWS that the entire article was debunked and the American Physical Society issued a statement to that effect.
The American Physical Society reaffirms the following position on climate change, adopted by its governing body, the APS Council, on November 18, 2007:
"Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate."
An article at odds with this statement recently appeared in an online newsletter of the APS Forum on Physics and Society, one of 39 units of APS. The header of this newsletter carries the statement that "Opinions expressed are those of the authors alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of the APS or of the Forum." This newsletter is not a journal of the APS and it is not peer reviewed.
07/18 08:41 AM
The troll "inonveniently" leaves off the disclaimer that appeared above the article which says:
The following article has not undergone any scientific peer review. Its conclusions are in disagreement with the overwhelming opinion of the world scientific community. The Council of the American Physical Society disagrees with this article’s conclusions.
Oh, and "Lord Monckton" got his title through bought peerage.
As if that weren’t enough, Lord Monckton is a British upper-class loony who, when not financing and publishing phony scientific papers, falsely claims to be a member of Parliament.
Even that right wing hack Jonah (Lucienne's spawn) Goldberg had to issue one of his rare apologies and retract his statements.
You've Got To Love It [Jonah Goldberg]...The same day that Al Gore does his man-to-the-moon spiel on global warming, the American Physical Society — the second largest professional association of physicists — rescinds its total support for the global warming.
I await the usual chorus to sing us a tune about how the APS is "anti-science."
Correction: Nevermind. I've led you astray. See here. From the APS website:
(He then goes on to post the same APS correction that I posted above.
Shorter Jonah Goldberg, "Eskimos R Stoopid"
BUT, since the trolls can't talk about their dynamic duo of McUnstable and McUnqualified I guess 2 year old Global Warming Denial screeds will have to do.
neo_con on October 2, 2008 at 03:36 PM
You sure liked that movie. How many times have you watched it now? Still have a crush on Al?
Someone here earlier posted a link that said McCain is pulling all of his staff out of Michigan and sending them to Florida. That's an inconvenient truth that must really have you worried?
How many errors can you spot in the McCain campaign so far?
STFU, Neo_dickless. No one wants to look at your lying posts.
I love this!
Bob Barr: McCain Is A "Hypocrite," Obama Isn't
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The Hill | October 2, 2008 02:58 PM
John McCain isn't the opponent of big government that he claims he is, according to Bob Barr, the former GOP congressman and Libertarian presidential candidate.
"I think McCain is a hypocrite," Barr said of the Arizona senator. "He claims he is for smaller government and that's not the case."
Barr doesn't think Democratic candidate Barack Obama is a hypocrite. He's just a "classic liberal," according to Barr.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/02/bob-barr-mccain-is-a-hypo_n_131302.html
35 Inconvenient Truths
The errors in Al Gore’s movie
ERROR 9
Coral reefs "bleaching"
Gore says coral reefs are “bleaching” because of “global warming.” They are not. There was some bleaching in 1998, but this was caused by the exceptional El Nino Southern Oscillation that year. Two similarly severe El Ninos over the past 250 years also caused extensive bleaching. “Global warming” was nothing to do with it.
Ms. Kreider says, “The IPCC and other scientific bodies have long identified increases in ocean temperatures with the bleaching of coral reefs.” So they have: but the bleaching in 1998 occurred as a result not of “global warming” but of a rare, though not unique, severe El Nino Southern Oscillation.
Christopher_blunt_proud_member_of_the_VLWC on October 2, 2008 at 03:42 PM
Christopher,
I love that the GOP pundits are saying that Biden is so old and Palin can capitalize on it if she goes on the attack.
Biden looks like a young Indiana Jones compared to that old fart McCain and has the skills of a seasoned Sean Connery when it comes to using his wits.
If Sarah has been listening to the McCain camp, she doesn't have any idea who she's up against. I'm betting that Britney has it all figured out...wrong.
35 Inconvenient Truths
The errors in Al Gore’s movie
ERROR 10
100 ppmv of CO2 "melting mile-thick ice"
Gore implies that the difference of just 100 parts per million by volume in CO2 concentration between an interglacial temperature maximum and an ice-age temperature minimum causes “the difference between a nice day and having a mile of ice above your head.” It does not. Gore’s implication has the effect of overstating the mainstream consensus estimate of the effect of CO2 on temperature at least tenfold.
Temperature changes by up to 12 degrees C between glacial minima and interglacial maxima, but CO2 concentration changes by no more than 100 ppmv. Gore is accordingly implying that 100 ppmv can cause a temperature increase of up to 12 degrees C. However, the consensus as expressed by the IPCC is that 100 ppmv of increased CO2 concentration, from 180 to 280 ppmv, would increase radiant energy flux in the atmosphere by 2.33 watts per square meter, or less than 1.2 degrees Celsius including the effect of temperature feedbacks.
marymac_memphis on October 2, 2008 at 03:56 PM
mary,
I'm thinking Barr may pick up a lot of the Republican fringe this time. And a lot of the Nader people are not that solid this time around. If they think this is going to be a landslide, watch them jump on the Obama/Biden bandwagon.
Thompson Defends Palin: She Hasn't Seen List Of Supreme Court Cases
WTF??? I am not an attorney and I can tell you two - off the top of my head - that I disagree with. The recently handed down decision that appears to overturn - at least a portion of - Brown v. Board of Education. Then, how about Gore v. Bush - I certainly disagreed with that one. How about the stay of execution granted Troy Davis? - oops - I guess that is three.
While Thompson may have graduated from Law School, Dead Fred hasn't practiced law in many, many years. He's nothing but an over-the-hill actor who thinks that he knows what's best. He's so far out of date that he should have an 'expired' label!
Wait - correction to last post - I totally AGREED with the stay of execution!
Damn! And I was just gonna blast ya for that one, Mary! :grin:
SandyH: I hope so. Either way - it's nice to know that others are starting to realize what a 'complete liar' McLame-o is! If Ron Paul signs on with or endorses in any way Bob Barr, it's all over for McLame!
neo_con on October 2, 2008 at 04:05 PM
You are basing your opinion on whether Global Warming is a hoax or not... on this clown?
Are you serious?? C'mon....you have sometimes displayed a minimum of intellectual curiosity...and at times, have also indicated that , it is possible for you to remove your head from your ass.
But this guy??
If you are and your head has somehow permanently stuck in your rectum.... you are gonna love his cure for the HIV/AID's epidemic.
Monckton's views on how the AIDS epidemic should be tackled have been the subject of some controversy. In an article entitled "The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS", written for the January 1987 issue of The American Spectator, he argued that "there is only one way to stop AIDS. That is to screen the entire population regularly and to quarantine all carriers of the disease for life. Every member of the population should be blood-tested every month ... all those found to be infected with the virus, even if only as carriers, should be isolated compulsorily, immediately, and permanently." This would involve isolating between 1.5 and 3 million people in the United States ("not altogether impossible") and another 30,000 people in the UK ("not insuperably difficult").[
I've Debated Sarah Palin More Than 20 Times -- Here's What It's Like
By Andrew Halcro, Christian Science Monitor. Posted October 1, 2008.
I know firsthand: She's a master of the nonanswer.
Anchorage, Alaska - When he faces off against Sarah Palin Thursday night, Joe Biden will have his hands full.
I should know. I've debated Governor Palin more than two dozen times. And she's a master, not of facts, figures, or insightful policy recommendations, but at the fine art of the nonanswer, the glittering generality. Against such charms there is little Senator Biden, or anyone, can do...
"Andrew, I watch you at these debates with no notes, no papers, and yet when asked questions, you spout off facts, figures, and policies, and I'm amazed. But then I look out into the audience and I ask myself, 'Does any of this really matter?' " Palin said.
While policy wonks such as Biden might cringe, it seemed to me that Palin was simply vocalizing her strength without realizing it. During the campaign, Palin's knowledge on public policy issues never matured -- because it didn't have to. Her ability to fill the debate halls with her presence and her gift of the glittering generality made it possible for her to rely on populism instead of policy.
Palin is a master of the nonanswer. She can turn a 60-second response to a query about her specific solutions to healthcare challenges into a folksy story about how she's met people on the campaign trail who face healthcare challenges. All without uttering a word about her public-policy solutions to healthcare challenges...
http://www.alternet.org/election08/101011/i%27ve_debated_sarah_palin_more_than_20_times_--_here%27s_what_it%27s_like/
So Sarah doesn't have to have answers because she has her "image." Then let her "new" image from the past week of stupid statements shine brightly.
Palin debated in a vacuum up there n Alaska within a state that is more exotic than Hawaii. This is the real world.
People who are fighting for their Middle Class lifestyle in the lower 49 will not be impressed with more Britney the Beauty Queen when they can't get a car loan easily or their equity line of credit has been suspended till further notice.
O.K., so now they are saying that Palin has a large bandage on her right hand? Is that where Rove is hiding the radio equipment this time? What a bunch of freaks. The McCain camp is always working off some gimmick or stunt instead of having the facts or reliable policies.
So now it's all about her bandage? Why doesn't she have one around her head...to keep the straw from falling out?
This subliminal messaging is great. For some unexplained reason I really, really want to watch an inconvenient truth again. Maybe I'll buy it this time...
Greg, just curious - I'm a member of the ACLU - I think I remember us discussing this awhile back - aren't you a member as well?
marymac_memphis on October 2, 2008 at 04:20 PM
And we all had thought Thompson would have been a diaster? If he thinks Palin shouldn't be held accountable, then we all know that the heavy weights have come to roost.
BlueinIdaho on October 2, 2008 at 04:32 PM
I was thinking more of "One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest."
{{marymac_memphis}} on October 2, 2008 at 04:20 PM
Wait...wait..call on me...Didn't some big ass oil tanker spill a whole bunch of shit off the coast of Alaska (Palin and her family are from Alaska..aren't they?) and the oil killed just about everything it touched and caused billions or dollars in damage and wound up in the fresh water supply and kind of fucked up Alaska for some time?
And wasn't the Supreme Court reasonably light on Exxon and weren't there a lot of Alaskans that were pretty pissed about that??
Maybe she got confused because it was the Exxon-Valdez case and Valdez sounds mexican and she thought it was the Mexican Supreme Court.
So now it's all about her bandage? Why doesn't she have one around her head...to keep the straw from falling out?
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SandyH on October 2, 2008 at 04:30 PM
Good one!
Palin mentioned that she read "Vast Variety"..
I googled Vast Variety and couldn't find the magazine. She acted as if she had "secret knowledge" from reading Vast Variety and I'd like some of that secret knowledge too.
"Vast Variety" is a Hollywood trade paper for slightly overweight actors.
Mexican Supreme Court.
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Michigan_Dave on October 2, 2008 at 04:38 PM
No, she thought that was the "Spanish" Supreme Court - she's not aware that Mexico is now (and has been for quite some time) independant of Mexico!
Does anyone want to compare the mayor of their local community with Palin?
The idiot that is running our suburban paradise can't even keep a city administrator because he's always interjecting this non-expertise into decisions that backfire.
Local politics produces the worst kind of incompetent tyrants who don't have any answers but like to throw their weight around. Palin has not shown any evidence of being any different.
She became Governor because she was in the right place at the right time and that the others running were more corrupt than her. The oil industry found the right stooge and she's lived up to their expectations.
bbl.
Oops - again! Independant of Spain!
Sorry - phone rang and distracted me!
Jon Stewart on Palin-Couric:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Download/33350/1/TDS-Couric-Palin.wmv
Ok - stupid question of the day - what time is the debate scheduled to start tonight?
AFL-CIO confronts racisim in our election:
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/02/afl-cios-richard-trumka-hero-of-the-day/
O.K., so now they are saying that Palin has a large bandage on her right hand?
Gwen has a broken ankle. How much you wanna bet the first 90 seconds is about her injury?
"and well you know Gwen..it's the hazards of the job..I had to take a piss and some numb nuts had left the seat up. At Johns Sedona ranch, he has these very cool wooden seats on the thrones and I turned for just a split second ant BANG! the seat came down on my hand just as I was getting ready to turn around and park myself. I went to scream out for help...but...yuk,yuk..I was in..well in Alaska..where I am the most popular govenor in the history of govenors..we call it..a compromised economy..it's about job's..or..did you know I can see Putins summer ranch in Russia from my front porch??"
"Bet my hand hurts more than your ankle Gwen..yuk, yuk,.."
Reminds me of college. It's where you hide your cheat sheet.
Posted by marymac_memphis on October 2, 2008 at 04:49 PM
9 EDT, 8CDT.
She's going up against the Baseball Playoffs.
SandyH on October 2, 2008 at 04:44 PM
Our Mayor was a gangsta. He was indicted on (11) felony counts. He had an affair with his Chief of Staff....Get it? Chief of Staff....brahahaha
Ok...I know he can help Palin. He can show her how to plead out a case...how to stay in office until they take you away in cuffs and how to ensure that you get paid and get under the table money through the whole time you are in office and doing time..
She'll need his advice. He might even be a consultant for her by now.
I can see it now - Bushie and his re-THUGs will claim credit for reducing illegal Immigration - by destroying the economy!
Illegal immigration declines as U.S. economy falters
By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER, Associated Press Writer Thu Oct 2, 10:57 AM ET
WASHINGTON - Illegal immigration, which has sparked political and social turmoil in communities across the nation, is on the wane, according to an independent report released Thursday.
The number of illegal immigrants entering the United States has slowed significantly the past few years, falling below the number of those entering the country legally, according to the report by the Pew Hispanic Center, a Washington think tank.
The report estimates there were 11.9 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. as of March. That would be a decline of 500,000 from the center's estimate a year ago. However, the change was not statistically significant because of the large margins of error.
The Pew study does not address why the decrease occurred, but other researchers cite the nation's struggling economy and stepped up enforcement of immigration laws.
"The decline in job prospects in construction, service and other low-skilled jobs are communicated through extended networks of would-be movers from Mexico and Latin America," said William Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institution, another Washington think tank. "It also may propel more return migration."
Michigan Dave!
I know what you mean about slimy mayors - google Willie Herenton from here in Memphis!
Thanks DBDBD - are the Cubs playing again tonight or is it tomorrow? I think Zambrano is set to start the next game, isn't he?
marymac_memphis on October 2, 2008 at 05:02 PM
Later...mentor night tonight...
Back tomorrow for debate wrap up :)
Yep, mary. Diggers @ Chubbies. The White Sox are losing game 1 right now.
Getting closer to the real be-witching hour:
Repugs are telling Palin to just be herself, wow! Game, set, match to Biden if she follows that advice.
AND...Let's hope she gets this question: "Sarah, we know why McCain chose you, being a neo-conservative female and all, but can you tell the American Public why you said 'yes'?"
Nervous, Sarah nervous? Wait 'til she sees that Katy Couric isn't the one asking the questions; a lady, plus one who happens to be African-American, not many of 'em in Alaska, that's for sure.
Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. In fact we put it in our water to make soda.
See if you can wrap your mind around this! NO ONE SAID IT WAS A POLLUTENT!(Spelling) IT TRAPS THE HEAT
There! now you got it??
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PamB on October 2, 2008 at 03:46 PM
Wrong old squirrel faced one, greggy has said it is a pollutant right here on our blog. And you are intimating by implying that dirty air and water have something to do with global frickin warmin.
Carbon dioxide content in the atmosphere is minuscule, it constitutes 3/100ths of one percent. (nytrogen and oxygen constitute most of the atmosphere) If we doubled or tripled the amount of atmospheric CO2 it still would have no effect on the temprature.
The number one greenhouse gas is water vapor.
It is all moot though since the earth is cooling now mainly due to the sums inactivity.
Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. In fact we put it in our water to make soda.
See if you can wrap your mind around this! NO ONE SAID IT WAS A POLLUTENT! IT TRAPS THE HEAT
The greenhouse effect is the rise in temperature that the Earth experiences because certain gases in the atmosphere (water vapor, carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, and methane, for example) trap energy from the sun. Without these gases, heat would escape back into space and Earth’s average temperature would be about 60ºF colder. Because of how they warm our world, these gases are referred to as greenhouse gases.
Have you ever seen a greenhouse? Most greenhouses look like a small glass house. Greenhouses are used to grow plants, especially in the winter. Greenhouses work by trapping heat from the sun. The glass panels of the greenhouse let in light but keep heat from escaping. This causes the greenhouse to heat up, much like the inside of a car parked in sunlight, and keeps the plants warm enough to live in the winter.
The Earth’s atmosphere is all around us. It is the air that we breathe. Greenhouse gases in the atmosphere behave much like the glass panes in a greenhouse. Sunlight enters the Earth's atmosphere, passing through the blanket of greenhouse gases. As it reaches the Earth's surface, land, water, and biosphere absorb the sunlight’s energy. Once absorbed, this energy is sent back into the atmosphere. Some of the energy passes back into space, but much of it remains trapped in the atmosphere by the greenhouse gases, causing our world to heat up.
There! now you got it??
So now McNitwit is lying about meeting the British Ambassador. The smell of desperation is in the air.
In an answer to questions about her foreign policy experience ahead of tonight’s make-or-break vice presidential TV debate, her aides listed numerous contacts with foreign officials – including Britain’s ambassador to Washington, Sir Nigel Sheinwald.However the meeting never occurred. Officials at the embassy swiftly contacted the McCain-Palin campaign to inform them of the discrepancy.
A British Embassy spokesman said the error arose after Sir Nigel’s name was listed among those who had attended a US Governor’s meeting in July.
Mrs Palin was at the meeting in her role as Governor of Alaska. However Sir Nigel pulled out at the last minute, leaving his name on the guest list.
Again, it just never stops with these guys
Repugs are telling Palin to just be herself, wow! Game, set, match to Biden if she follows that advice.
CalDemo
So, anyone taking bets on how far into the debate before Biden open's his moth and inserts his big foot? I wonder if his handlers advised him not to try to come off as too "intellectual". I like it when he starts pontificating on his take of historical events.
Like Franklin Roosevelt's Great depression Fireside broadcasts on digital television.
See if you can wrap your mind around this! NO ONE SAID IT WAS A POLLUTENT!(Spelling) IT TRAPS THE HEAT
There! now you got it??
62
PamB on October 2, 2008 at 03:46 PM
Wrong old squirrel faced one, greggy has said it is a pollutant right here on our blog. And you are intimating by implying that dirty air and water have something to do with global frickin warmin.
Carbon dioxide content in the atmosphere is minuscule, it constitutes 3/100ths of one percent. (nytrogen and oxygen constitute most of the atmosphere) If we doubled or tripled the amount of atmospheric CO2 it still would have no effect on the temprature.
The number one greenhouse gas is water vapor.
It is all moot though since the earth is cooling now mainly due to the suns inactivity.
There! now you got it??
Have you noticed how Cindy always walks behind him and when John stops she stops but it's the look of pure submission that reveals that she has the shear look of terror on her face. A classic example of a battered wife.
A question to you Gov. Palin.
What's more important: securing Russia's cooperation on nuclear proliferation and Iran, or supporting Georgia's NATO bid? If Vladimir Putin called you on the phone and said, "It's one or the other," what would you tell him?
Thank you. I would tell Valadimir Putin if he would call me and ask me about a choice I'd have to make between Iran and nuculear proliferation and Georgia's NATO bid, I would reply, I didn't know a state of ours could belong to NATO. Maybe I'll get back at cha....
Another question for Sarah:
How are you like Hillary Clinton?
I have boobs and so does she.
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