Kicking Ass: The Democratic Party's Blog

Afternoon Open Thread

Posted by Matt Ortega on October 8, 2008 at 01:30 PM

Senator Joe Biden is back on the campaign trail and fired up the audience in Tampa, Florida.

Chat away...

Comments (57) «

i watched joe while doing the treadmill at the gym. his best line..." you can't call yourself a maverick if all you have ever been is a sidekick..." i am probably paraphrasing and he credited senator casey from pennsylvania for coming up with the line...

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gregg on October 8, 2008 at 02:22 PM

ahhh i see in the above two posts the racists who blame the economic meltdown on poor people are up and about....all they have left is to hope racism will save the day for their sad candidates.....it won't work so get used to saying President Obama.....

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gregg on October 8, 2008 at 02:24 PM

Why do I get the feeling that the Republicans didn't learn anything from the Watergate days. They would do anything - and I mean anything to keep power.

The people in this country have had enough of their corruption and lies and gut lowlife attacks.

Anyone who would follow anything that had anything to do with Republicans as far as I am concerned are people who are just plain dumb. They have no life, they have no thought process...they are at the low end of the gene pool. They are pure scum. They are not what America stands for.

I am so glad that finally, after all these years, they will be out of power once and for all. I hope the Democrats and the liberal tradition remains in effect for a very very long time.

Conservatism is dead. Thank you Jesus.

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Screwum on October 8, 2008 at 02:24 PM

President Obama

President Obama sir

President and Mrs. Obama

The President of the United States - President Obama

Vice - President Biden

Sec of State Richardson

It all sounds great to me!


I keep thinking ----- what were the Republicans thinking - putting such a poor candidate up like McCain. He has become such a non-issue. It's over for him - he's a loser..... a LLLLLLL oser...

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Screwum on October 8, 2008 at 02:29 PM

"I keep thinking ----- what were the Republicans thinking - putting such a poor candidate up like McCain. He has become such a non-issue. It's over for him - he's a loser..... a LLLLLLL oser...


4Screwum on October 8, 2008 at 02:29 PM"


KATH------ HE WAS THE PICK OF THE LITTER!

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PamB on October 8, 2008 at 02:53 PM

For the last few days, at a distance the McCain campaign has whipped up a frenzy of nativist sentiment against Barack Obama. They’ve accused him of being strange, not a supporter of America, and of course as a terrorist sympathizer. They’ve done it mostly through Sarah Palin’s forked tongue, but McCain also took a punch at Sen. Obama, powering through an attack as the assembled mob screamed “terrorist” at Obama’s name.

Then a funny thing happened on Tuesday night. John McCain had to go into a room with Barack Obama. He had to stand on stage with Sen. Obama and in front of the entire nation. Surely John Mccain, a veteran of combat, would take the baton from his running mate, get up in front of the naive Barack Obama and show him who the real American in the race is.

Then he fizzled.
He shot blanks.
The horse never got out of the gate.

John McCain suffered from a case of Electoral Dysfunction that no little pill can cure. Because Barack Obama was able to tell America why he disagreed with Sen. McCain right to Sen. McCain’s face in the same tone Barack Obama uses in Chicago, Miami, Indianapolis, Madison, Scranton, and everywhere else across the country.

Because Barack Obama is a man.

http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/08/impotent/

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BlueinIdaho on October 8, 2008 at 03:10 PM

The Secret Service is following up on media reports today that someone in the crowd at a McCain/Palin event suggested killing Barack Obama, according to Secret Service spokesman Malcolm Wiley. The shout of "kill him" followed a Sarah Palin rant on Obama's relationship with radical Chicagoan Bill Ayers.


Wiley says the Secret Service did not begin looking into the matter until press reports, namely Dana Milbank's article in the Washington Post, surfaced today, because no agents at the event heard anything. "The Secret Service did not hear any threatening statements directed at targets under its protection and no threatening statements were reported to us by law enforcement or citizens at the event," Wiley told Radar. Also unclear: whether the remark was directed at Obama or Ayers if the words were actually "kill" and "him."

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/10/secret-service-looking-into-potential-threat-on-obama.php

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BlueinIdaho on October 8, 2008 at 03:14 PM

Palin has been hammering home the point on the campaign trail that Obama and Ayers were friends, "palling around" the Windy City, even though the Weather Underground committed these crimes when Obama was just a child. And never mind the fact that Ayers and Obama were involved in a multimillion-dollar education grant that was funded by a right-wing Republican, media magnate Walter Annenberg. Do you hear any of them castigating this late Republican pillar?

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BlueinIdaho on October 8, 2008 at 03:16 PM

"John McCain suffered from a case of Electoral Dysfunction "


It's too bad there is no little pill to help. It can help up to 36 hours so you are always Ready when the occassion arises!

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PamB on October 8, 2008 at 03:17 PM

What will McCain call us if he wins?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqGsn6kwK6g

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Rob-in-Indiana on October 8, 2008 at 03:21 PM

Good afternoon, all.

Did you see that McCain is out stumping with Palin again today? He can't pull in the crowds without her. I wonder if this is going to be the case the rest of the campaign.

It's almost like he has to have her telling people he's great...and he needs to hear someone, anyone, telling him that, too. The road is getting pretty lonely with other Republicans distancing themselves as they sense failure...unless Palin is there.

I'd almost feel sorry for him if he wasn't such a self-centered, opportunistic rich man who stands for nothing besides furthering his own glory (in his eyes).

Why McCain feels he deserves adoration when he hasn't done anything in his political life to build coalitions or promote a cause bigger than his own ego is a mystery to me. He has put himself up on a pedestal and nobody in his own Party seems to care if he falls off it.

His only friends are corrupt lobbyists and another "maverick" just like him, Joe Lieberman.

There is a lesson in there someplace. It's lonely at the top when you look down on everybody else? "That one" will never be alone.

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SandyH on October 8, 2008 at 03:22 PM

BlueinIdaho on October 8, 2008 at 03:10 PM

Blue,

It wouldn't matter if McCain even had a few good ideas or a workable ideology. He doesn't work with others. He dictates the terms of what can and cannot be discussed and who is worthy to participate.

McCain is twice as stupid and three times as dictatorial as Spunky. We better pray he doesn't somehow steal this election. With the way Gonzales re-wrote the Constitution's balance of power and gutted the Bill of Rights (backed by the present Bush I & II Supreme Court) this man might make Napoleon look like a lamb.

He wants to be a World War Emperor. Nothing else excites him. You can tell by the way Lieberman talks that McCain feels this is his destiny.

It's time to derail the Double Talk Express and permanently disable it for the public's safety...along with all that Reagan BS voodoo economics and Newt's Social Contract with America.

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SandyH on October 8, 2008 at 03:36 PM

How is it that Sally can still post on this blog?

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Rob-in-Indiana on October 8, 2008 at 03:38 PM

Good afternoon fellow Democrats.

Yes we can!

Si se puede!

Change we can believe in!

Fight the Smears!

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BobVADemocratHawk on October 8, 2008 at 03:39 PM

SandyH on October 8, 2008 at 03:22 PM

Well, if last night was any indicaton, Palin is probably with him on these things not only to bring in people but to make sure he doesn't wander off. Did you see the way he wandered around the stage while Obama was answering?

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BlueinIdaho on October 8, 2008 at 03:39 PM

KATH------ HE WAS THE PICK OF THE LITTER!
5PamB on October 8, 2008 at 02:53 PM

You mean PRICK of the litter.........

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Screwum on October 8, 2008 at 03:40 PM

Rob - it's ok that "he" can still post. We play with him a lot because it sort of reminds us of how an animal would play with his meal before he eats it. The only trouble is little Stevie doesn't understand that we're all laughing at him....

I like to bait him once in awhile - then when I tire - I throw him out like I would any other trash....

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Screwum on October 8, 2008 at 03:43 PM

ATT: all trolls. drop everything. go to the NRCC and NRSC sites, and donate every last penney you have. They NEED you.


Poor NRCC Has to Pick and Choose
Tuesday 07 October 2008

»
by: Aaron Blake, The Hill


US President George W. Bush is introduced by House Minority Leader Rep. John Boehner as he arrives at a National Republican Congressional Committee dinner in Washington, DC. (Photo: AFP / Getty Images)

The National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC) will focus its limited resources on just a handful of GOP-held seats, if its first ad buys are any indication

http://www.truthout.org/100808D

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PamB on October 8, 2008 at 03:45 PM

Sounds like the NRCC is hurting for money. But if I were a repukican, I wouldn't want to waste my money on a losing ticket.....

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Screwum on October 8, 2008 at 03:47 PM

Rob, we need Sally on here, so that Independents and swing voters who come in for ideas and issues, can see what the Republicans look like. You do NOT see Democrats doing this on Republican blogs.

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PamB on October 8, 2008 at 03:48 PM

Yeah Pam - that's a great way to look at the troll. We need him in here to help us so that when others come in here and see what a repukican stands for or how hate filled he is, they will support us. maybe that's why so many are turning their backs on them this year!

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Screwum on October 8, 2008 at 03:49 PM

Holy Crap. I hope this doesn't get out. Obama served on the Annenberg Board with....a republican.

Arnold R. Weber, A Chicago Annenberg Board Member, Was An Assistant Secretary Of Labor And Associate Director Of The Office Of Management And Budget Under President Nixon; Weber Also Served As An Advisor To Carter And Reagan. Arnold R. Weber, former President of the Commercial Club of Chicagos Civic Committee and a longtime Republican donor, was a member of the Chicago Annnenberg Challenge Board from 1998-2003. According to Northern Illinois University (NIU)s website, Weber served as an advisor or cabinet-level appointee for three U.S. presidents. [Chicago Annenberg Challenge IRS Form 990, 1998-2003]1994, the Chicago Tribune reported, As a faculty member at the University of Chicago Graduate School of Business from 1958 to 1973, Weber developed a reputation as a labor expert. The Nixon administration called on him several times-as assistant secretary of manpower in the U.S. Department of Labor in 1969-70, associate director of the Office of Management and Budget in 1970-71 and executive director of the Cost of Living Council during the 1971 wage-price freeze. In 1994, the Chicago Tribune reported, He served in various capacities for the Nixon, Carter and Reagan administrations. His associates include former Secretary of State George Shultz, a colleague of Webers while they were at the University of Chicago. [Chicago Tribune, 12/23/94]

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BlueinIdaho on October 8, 2008 at 03:50 PM

Rob-in-Indiana on October 8, 2008 at 03:38 PM

Let him and his cronies post on. They are a prime example of what it means to be a Republican; arrogant, racist, war-mongering, and money worshipping.

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BobVADemocratHawk on October 8, 2008 at 03:53 PM

Yeah, I see where Sally, or whatever he dubs himself during the day/evening/night, does serve a purpose, but one would think that he would get bored with his blitherings, but then again I guess he would have to have a life first.

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Rob-in-Indiana on October 8, 2008 at 03:55 PM

So not only was Obama working on a Republican funded initiative, but prominent Republicans were involved on the board with Ayers.

Wow, sounds pretty seedy to me. No wonder John Drama and Bible Spice have their panties/depends in a bunch.

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BlueinIdaho on October 8, 2008 at 03:57 PM

Walter Annenberg is dead. His foundation is infested with liberal vermin.

Sally-* on October 8, 2008 at 03:32 PM

Your presidential ticket is pretty much dead on arrival, too.

Only a large influx of progressive blood might be the only thing that keeps the Republican Party from expiring altogether?

The civil libertarians and fiscal conservatives have already moved away from the Fundie, bigoted Republican Base. And I'm not too sure this wasn't the plan. They set up McCain to take the fall when it became obvious that somebody had to take the blame for their upcoming economic failure.

At the time I couldn't understand why Guilani only campaigned in Florida and The Flipper backed out abruptly. They all must have known even back then how close the bottom was to falling out and didn't want to be in the vicinity when it happened.

Why else wouldn't the RNC leadership insist that a rationale person be placed on the ticket as a V.P.? Why else did they allow their national convention to be severely curtailed on such a flimsy excuse as the weather...in Texas when they were meeting in Minnesota?

The cowards in the Republican Party still don't dare to blame the Bush Crime Family and that slippery snake Newt Gingrich. That would be admitting that St. Reagan's Revolution was a dud just like Spunky.

It's your Party and I give you permission to cry if you want to.

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SandyH on October 8, 2008 at 04:07 PM

BlueinIdaho on October 8, 2008 at 03:39 PM

Blue,

He was desperately looking for Lieberman?

That's was the weirdest thing we've seen from the Republicans since they released info about Bush passing out after choking on a pretzel. I loved that the White House communications staff even felt the need to share the tidbit that his two dogs just sat there and watched without alerting Laura.

Good doggies.

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SandyH on October 8, 2008 at 04:14 PM

Schumer rips Chamber of Commerce
By J. Taylor Rushing
Posted: 10/08/08 01:17 PM [ET]


DSCC Chairman Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) came out swinging Wednesday against the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, saying the business lobby was no longer nonpartisan and “has turned into a wing” of the GOP.
In a press conference at Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) headquarters, Schumer said the path and pattern of the contributions indicate that the Chamber is afraid of the Democrats winning the critical Senate threshold of 60 seats — a goal he said is within reach now more than ever.


Democrats already have 51 seats in the Senate, and Schumer said the party’s candidate is significantly ahead in five races and even in seven others — meaning a 63-seat majority is possible in 2009.

The Chamber’s contributions have come almost wholly in Senate races, Schumer said, not House elections or the presidential race. The sole exception to the Republican favoritism, he argued, was donations in Louisiana, where Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu is seeking reelection.

Schumer distributed a chart showing the Chamber has donated $16.28 million to Republican candidates this election cycle, and only $329,000 to Democrats. The ads funded by the contributions have all come in 2008, said DSCC spokesman Matt Miller, and have included Chamber affiliates like the Coalition for a Democratic Workplace and the Employee Free Action Committee.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/schumer-rips-chamber-of-commerce-2008-10-08.html

Thank you for stating the obvious, Senator. We knew that all along. Now how about delivering on those 63 Senate seats you just promised.

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BobVADemocratHawk on October 8, 2008 at 04:16 PM

ahhhh, but here's the difference old man


I kooked in to see what they were saying about a subject. they were very misinformed, as usual. So I posted a link to a fact check, Zap, they did not want the truth!


I did NOT keep getting other emails like you do, and continue to cyber stalk and harass and spew hatred like you do!


that is the difference! GOT IT?

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PamB on October 8, 2008 at 04:18 PM


"Throughout its rocky rise to becoming the nation's most crucial swing state, Florida has had one electoral constant: the battle for its prized 27 votes has centered on its politically motivated retirees and condo commandos. In fact, if there is any key state where Barack Obama's focus on the youth vote wouldn't seem to be much of an asset, it's Florida, where discussions of Social Security and Medicare have traditionally trumped all other issues. But the once easily pigeonholed demographics in the Sunshine State are changing, and many pundits say the 30-and-under crowd could turn out to be the decisive factor in this year's closely contested race.


That's about the last thing the McCain campaign needs to hear right now. Florida, run by a Republican Governor and legislature, was supposed to be the Arizona senator's to lose. But while polls through September showed him and Obama in a dead heat, Obama seems to be pulling away as the nation's economic crisis worsens. Four polls released last week show Obama not only leading - one, by Quinnipiac University, has him up by as much as eight points - but breaking the 50% barrier for the first time.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20081008/us_time/youngvoterscouldbethedecidingfactorinflorida

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PamB on October 8, 2008 at 04:20 PM

Afternoon Dems!

Well, I just went out and voted early here in Missoula. When I was there, I heard from a worker that they had already had 15,000 people in to vote! That's great turn out! I just hope the pugs here can't come up with some way to make this whole county not count. They're attacking voters here and in a couple of other democratic strongholds in Montana. With any luck, we may just turn this state Blue yet.

On the national front, just a bit of personal pride. My father-in-law told us last night that he was changing his party affiliation to democrat for the first time! For the record, he lives in North Carolina, he's in his 60's, he's in the union, and he's white. Hopefully that is a sign of the times in that state!

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mike_n_montana on October 8, 2008 at 04:22 PM

This is an article from way back in December of 2007 but when I went back and re-read it, it's like the author had a crystal ball!

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/12/bush200712?currentPage=1

The Economic Consequences of Mr. Bush
The next president will have to deal with yet another crippling legacy of George W. Bush: the economy. A Nobel laureate, Joseph E. Stiglitz, sees a generation-long struggle to recoup.
by Joseph E. Stiglitz December 2007

The American economy can take a lot of abuse, but no economy is invincible. Illustration by Edward Sorel.
When we look back someday at the catastrophe that was the Bush administration, we will think of many things: the tragedy of the Iraq war, the shame of Guantánamo and Abu Ghraib, the erosion of civil liberties. The damage done to the American economy does not make front-page headlines every day, but the repercussions will be felt beyond the lifetime of anyone reading this page.
I can hear an irritated counterthrust already. The president has not driven the United States into a recession during his almost seven years in office. Unemployment stands at a respectable 4.6 percent. Well, fine. But the other side of the ledger groans with distress: a tax code that has become hideously biased in favor of the rich; a national debt that will probably have grown 70 percent by the time this president leaves Washington; a swelling cascade of mortgage defaults; a record near-$850 billion trade deficit; oil prices that are higher than they have ever been; and a dollar so weak that for an American to buy a cup of coffee in London or Paris—or even the Yukon—becomes a venture in high finance.
And it gets worse. After almost seven years of this president, the United States is less prepared than ever to face the future. We have not been educating enough engineers and scientists, people with the skills we will need to compete with China and India. We have not been investing in the kinds of basic research that made us the technological powerhouse of the late 20th century. And although the president now understands—or so he says—that we must begin to wean ourselves from oil and coal, we have on his watch become more deeply dependent on both.
Up to now, the conventional wisdom has been that Herbert Hoover, whose policies aggravated the Great Depression, is the odds-on claimant for the mantle “worst president” when it comes to stewardship of the American economy. Once Franklin Roosevelt assumed office and reversed Hoover’s policies, the country began to recover. The economic effects of Bush’s presidency are more insidious than those of Hoover, harder to reverse, and likely to be longer-lasting. There is no threat of America’s being displaced from its position as the world’s richest economy. But our grandchildren will still be living with, and struggling with, the economic consequences of Mr. Bush.

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marymac_memphis on October 8, 2008 at 04:27 PM

Afternoon all good Dems. I hope everyone is doing well today. I enjoyed the debate last night. Lamebrain McSame looked like an patronizing idiot, first he insults the member of the military with his pandering and then he just wanders around the stage. And what was with the 'that one' remark. Why didn't he just call Sen. Obama 'boy' and get it over with. That's what he's dying to do. I can not believe that anyone in the entire country is still considering voting for him.

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marymac_memphis on October 8, 2008 at 04:40 PM

The 17 men currently imprisoned at Guantanamo left China amid increasing political oppression and found their way to Afghanistan, where they lived in small Uighur communities. In late 2001, they were forced to flee the aerial bombardment of the surrounding areas. Eventually, they made their way to Pakistan in the belief that they would be safer there. After crossing into Pakistan, the Uighurs were welcomed and fed by Pakistani villagers who then turned them over for generous bounties offered by the United States.

Last week, after years of litigation, the U.S. government finally conceded that none of these men would be treated as “enemy combatants.” All were cleared for release long ago. However, because of the stigma of their detention at Guantánamo and for fear of offending China, no other country had agreed to offer these men safe haven. Despite this failure to find a third country to take them, the government argued that the court could not release them into the U.S. and, therefore, that the men would have to stay at Guantanamo indefinitely.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/cernig/court-orders-17-gitmo-detainees-released

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BlueinIdaho on October 8, 2008 at 04:42 PM
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BlueinIdaho on October 8, 2008 at 04:43 PM

There is no threat of America’s being displaced from its position as the world’s richest economy. But our grandchildren will still be living with, and struggling with, the economic consequences of Mr. Bush.

36marymac_memphis on October 8, 2008 at 04:27 PM


Mary - this is chilling. I get so fustrated with people who don't understand the harm this President has done to this country. If I could I would spit on him...he is an asshole of the worse kind.

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Screwum on October 8, 2008 at 04:50 PM

marymac_memphis on October 8, 2008 at 04:40 PM

Is Idaho part of that country, cuz....

I ran into a woman last week that started ranting about Obama being a baby killer. I calmed her down and by the end of the conversation she admitted that she wasn't keen on either candidate. She promised me that she would stop watching MSM (FOX) and research the candidates for herself.

One at a time, "my friends", one at a time. :)

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BlueinIdaho on October 8, 2008 at 04:50 PM

And with that it's quitn' time....

Keep on rockn'

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Screwum on October 8, 2008 at 04:51 PM


News & Opinion
Tuesday, October 7, 2008
ROBERT M. SHRUM

McCain’s unhappy warrior

As he goes into the second debate, John McCain is more than ever the unhappy warrior of the 2008 campaign. His grumpy hostility toward Barack Obama in their first face-to-face encounter—face-to-face for Obama, that is—reflects feelings he can barely disguise. The day after Sarah Palin caricatured herself in the vice presidential debate, McCain lashed out at “my old friend Biden,” his words uttered through a manic smile stretched taut across his teeth. It was a smile of malice, like Jack Nicholson’s in “The Shining.”

A McCain aide has told friends that what kept the campaign going in the primaries was their hatred of Romney—and what keeps them going now is hatred for Obama. As McCain’s polls crater, nationally and in the battleground states, this enmity is fired by the rising prospect of defeat. Although they won’t say it publicly, more and more Republicans are convinced they will never see or say “President McCain." A Reagan-Bush grandee, one of the smartest strategists in the GOP, observed after the first debate that Obama had had his Reagan moment: onstage with his rival, he’d crossed the threshold as a credible President, much as Reagan had in 1980. In the view of this Republican wise man, the election is all but over.

http://www.theweek.com/article/index/89533/3/3/McCains_unhappy_warrior

Sorry, but my preview function isn't working for some reason. I'd sign out and sign back in but I've been shut out completely doing that in the past. Oh, the trials of posting on the DNC blog. It's an adventure that just keeps on evolving.

The McCain campaign runs only on hate? He might have something there. McCain doesn't really want to win he just wants to keep Obama from winning?

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SandyH on October 8, 2008 at 04:54 PM

?????????????

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Michigan_Dave on October 8, 2008 at 04:56 PM

marymac_memphis on October 8, 2008 at 04:27 PM

mary,

Creating chaos and governing from crisis mode offers so many profit opportunities for those wanting to defraud the system and their fellow Americans.

Republicans never miss a chance when they are in office. When they have complete control, they completely steal everyone blind.

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SandyH on October 8, 2008 at 05:00 PM

Tweety is reporting on MSNBC that after Sarah Palin spoke today at a rally in Pennsylvania and then introduced McCain people began leaving. Apparently, many came to see Palin and could care less about McCain.

Who likes McCain?

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SandyH on October 8, 2008 at 05:07 PM

Only time for one post....

Right....Anybody want to argue or debate with me on the NOW very real possiblility of a landslide victory for Obama?? Huh??

Did I not tell everybody in the house right after McLoser was nominated that he would be the single biggest republican loser in a presidential election....ever??

Christ, he needs a tether. Did you see him around like some kind of mangy dog last night? He lies, he has very little intellectual grasp of any issues and talks like a drug dealer, pimp or a used car salesman.

My Friends??? Please....that's what you hear when someone starts a conversation with.."Let me be honest with you or trust me"

Ok, gotta go...

And...poor Sally and his gang. Poor stale and angry young college republicans who talk tough and piss there pants when they get bounced by a Liberal.

Guess what pal... It's over and your days are numbered. They will end of in a smoking pile of dog shit where you and you ilk got it's start.

Liberals rule and if it wasn't part of the constitution, we'd make sure that all you neo-conic-neo liberals paid through the ass for your health care that the rest of us are going to enjoy.

You best bet is to find some small soverign country someplace where you can install a dictator and privatize the fuck out of it and run it into the ground.

We're taking back our country.

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Michigan_Dave on October 8, 2008 at 05:16 PM

BlueinIdaho on October 8, 2008 at 04:50 PM

Isn't that the truth, blue.

You wonder if they won't just go ahead and vote their fears, but you hope that just maybe next time they will remember a Democrat took the time to listen. We are planting seeds and that's what makes it all worthwhile to try.

And the young ones are just coming to us because they know that we are their only hope. There are two or three generations behind us who will never trust a Republican again in their lifetime.

We got to make sure they get what they are looking for. Once we get in power, we must deliver. I hope our leadership takes this seriously. If not, we must replace them...one by one if necessary.

We are not only changing the way things are done, we are the guardians of this quiet (well, sometimes quiet) revolution. It's a big responsibility we are taking on here. We must commit to it for the rest of our political lives.

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SandyH on October 8, 2008 at 05:22 PM

Michigan_Dave on October 8, 2008 at 05:16 PM

I just wish the election were today. You never know what smears these whack jobs are going to think up next. Although, it seems this time that every time they try to piss on our candidate the wind blows it back in their faces.

Did you get a visual? Yeah, me too. :)

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BlueinIdaho on October 8, 2008 at 05:22 PM

Okay - now I am actually starting to believe. My (much younger) step-sister just called from North Carolina for the sole purpose of telling me that she and her husband are planning to vote for Sen. Obama. "Now, don't go gettin' too excited," she laughed "we're still staunch Republicans, we just can't stand the idea of John McCain as President and his pick of Palin for VP is completely stupid!"
She said that they were leaning against McCain but not considering Obama before the debate last night; but, after that - they just came to the conclusion that not voting at all in their red state was the same as voting for McCain and that's why they decided to vote for Obama.
I love my little sister but she and her husband are evangelicals and drive me nuts sometimes, especially when they try to defend the dub; but even her husband is starting to see what a bad president we have had for the past 7.75 years!
Slowly but surely - the ones with a minimum of half a brain will come around!

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marymac_memphis on October 8, 2008 at 05:26 PM

SandyH on October 8, 2008 at 05:07 PM

That broad could end up as a problem in 2012. Too many of the ignorant masses are going ga-ga over her to ignore. I suppose stupid loves company.

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BobVADemocratHawk on October 8, 2008 at 05:26 PM

Obama's lead went up by 2 points in today's Gallup pol. He's now at 52 / 41 nationally.

Gallup Daily: Obama’s Lead Over McCain Expands to 11

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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on October 8, 2008 at 05:29 PM

Michigan_Dave on October 8, 2008 at 05:16 PM

Don't mince words with us. Tell us what you really think, Dave.

Seriously, I remember you saying this was going to be a cakewalk and maybe it is in some parts of the country.

But come down to Missouri and I'll show you the where it can get complicated. A lot of people downstate are still fighting the Civil War and actually think it's possible to have a "victory" (as McCain loves to say).

I hope you are right. If we could just pick up Virginia I'd be happy. If we won Missouri or Iowa I'd feel vindicated. If we could get North Carolina, Colorado, or Nevada I'd be ecstatic. If we won Indiana or Montana, I'd die and go to heaven.

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SandyH on October 8, 2008 at 05:39 PM

BobVADemocratHawk on October 8, 2008 at 05:26 PM
Bob: I honestly believe that Gov. Palin is fast making herself into another Dan Quayle. I think that the more people see of her, the worse their opinions will get. Unless she goes into hiding and 'studies up' she isn't one to worry about.

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marymac_memphis on October 8, 2008 at 05:42 PM

ANOTHER lame-assed campaign stunt backfires on Grampy McGrumpy.

He sent an open message to everybody (including that asshole police chief at Bible Spice's hate fest) to knock it off with the "Barack Hussein" references. I guess they looked at the polls and realized that the people aren't falling for that crapola. NOT THIS TIME!

They are also trying to reign in the Ayers, Wright and Rezko tack. But, now that the cat is out of the bag the whores in the MSM will continue with it any way. Mission accomplished.

That Didn’t Take Very Long

Maybe the Secret Service told them to put a cork i it after that "kill him" incident that Shithead McBitchy instigated.

That asshole cop should be fired too. Tweety just said "hey, if a guy in a uniform is saying it, what do you think the criminals will think. That's it's true?"

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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on October 8, 2008 at 06:18 PM

56Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on October 8, 2008 at 06:18 PM

I love this comment on the site you posted:

[Palin]will still talk about Ayers and Rezko for 2 reasons.

1. She exclusively speaks at campaign rallies where only loyal McCon supporters are allowed and they eat that shit up.
2. It took them 5 weeks to drill those talking point into her head and they only have ~4 weeks to go. You do the math smart guy.

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BlueinIdaho on October 8, 2008 at 06:40 PM

Andrea Mitchell: "We're only hours away from the holiest day in the Jewish calendar. I wish you and your family a good fast."

Lieberman: "Thank you, Andrea. I wish you the same and Lord knows I have a lot to repent for."

Mitchell: I'm not going there, Senator. That's between you and your maker.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/silentpatriot/joe-lieberman-lord-knows-i-have-lot-

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BlueinIdaho on October 8, 2008 at 06:41 PM

marymac_memphis on October 8, 2008 at 05:42 PM

mary,

You may have something there.

The McCain camp had Cindy doing the heavy lifting today...intimating that not voting for a counter Iraqi funding bill other than the Republican version (which didn't have a timetable) was somehow going to harm her children in combat.

It was interesting watching Palin's face during this impassioned plea. Palin appeared to be trying to dislodged something from her teeth and was clearly not interested since these lines were not being delivered by she, the lead actress.

Have Palin's negative number gotten so high with Independents that they're afraid of letting her do all the attacks?

Oh, please let that be the case. Can you imagine how having two female harpies instead of one going after Obama (instead of letting the man do it himself) is going to zap their approval numbers?

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SandyH on October 8, 2008 at 06:49 PM

There is a new Evening Open Thread.

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SandyH on October 8, 2008 at 06:57 PM

The US census lists 115,000,000 households. Give each household $1M, tax the income, provide a mechanism for oversight (say banks, with federal oversight, could manage the money to ensure debts were paid, health insurance purchased, college funds saved, retirement plans developed, you get the idea). The banks would have new services to sell, the feds would get a good percentage back, the bad guys would be off the hook as credit rolls back into the economy, etc.

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tucker2 on October 9, 2008 at 03:59 PM

The US Census reports 115,000,000 households. Using this and IRS data, give each household $1,000,000,000. Tax the income, create new legislation that allows banks and lending institutions, with federal oversight, to manage these funds for the tax payer (e.g.,ensuring debit was paid, fiscal plans in place, health insurance purchased, college money saved), you get the idea. With the debts paid, the bad guys wouldn't suffer bad, the economy would recover, and we would all have learned a lesson, or maybe not.

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tucker2 on October 9, 2008 at 04:00 PM


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