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Sorry to disillusion you but Obama is changing the state of Georgia too and he is predicted to win
McCain is lagging and Palin in dragging, we do not need Dumb and Dumber for the next 4 years.
President Obama and Vice-President Biden sounds great to me.
neo_con on October 25, 2008 at 04:52 PM
She's already shreeeching like a cat on a hot tin roof.
McLame and Palin continue to lie to the American people. The only chance they have is to try to fool as many dupes as they can into believing that Obama will not provide a tax cut for the middle class. It ain't workin'.
emeup on October 25, 2008 at 04:54 PM
Georgia? Wow, I'll have to add that fair state to my Indiana and Montana wish list. This is good news.
Barack Obama's presidential campaign advisers weren't quite gloating outright during a conference call Friday, but it was quite clear the Democratic candidate's operation is more than happy with where they are 11 days from the election.
Highlighting Obama's emerging advantage in several states President Bush carried in 2004, campaign manager David Plouffe said the campaign has several paths to victory.
Plouffe said he was unfazed by John McCain's decision in recent days to continue harping on "Joe the Plumber" in an attempt to convince voters that Obama will raise their taxes. The "tax & spend liberal" attack is one of the most well worn tools in the GOP's arsenal, and Plouffe pointed to polls showing voters prefer Obama's proposal for tax cuts to every American earning less than $250,000 per year.
"McCain is on a new mission here with his 'Joe the Plumber' routine. ... This is not a new argument, we have been dealing with tax attacks for months," Plouffe said. "We're happy to have a tax argument because it really is consistent with the overall argument we're making" that Obama cares more about the middle class.
With just more than a week until Election Day, early voting has started in several key swing states, and Obama's advisers said more Democrats than Republicans -- including more new voters -- have showed up at the polls so far in places like North Carolina and Florida. Both those states went for President Bush in 2004 but are among the most closely contested races this year
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obama_campaign_Were_happy_to_talk_1024.html
what's great about early voting, no matter whay happens , those votes are locked in. repugs can't steal them.........
Education to help kids compete! Yeah!
That should include mathematics programs for grade school children which are written by people with an understanding of the mathematics that kids will need in high school and college.
We need an end to fuzzy math(the new New Math). The misguided "educators" who have decided unilaterally, with out input from mathematicians, that kids need to "discover" math principles rather than have them learn the standard algorithms that have been developed over a couple thousand years and which kids need to understand thoroughly, in order to continue to grow and to advance not only their own, but the sum total of human understanding.
We need to ask why college professors are having to dumb down freshman math courses because the kids don't understand the math that their parents' generation studied as a matter of course.
We need to ask why so few American math and engineering majors can find jobs in US companies while they continue to important foreign workers to fill those positions. Hint: It's NOT just because they are cheaper.
We need to look at the just as fuzzy reading courses that are being foisted on our kids, and ask why kids are taught to the test and not taught to the kid. Why teachers are made to teach in lockstep with some "program" rather than to the understanding of their students. Why grammar is being dumbed down. Why art, music and foreign languages are being dropped in favor of teaching to the test.
WE need to review the American education system from Pre-Kindergaden through 12th grade. We need to give the school systems the funding that they were promised by the Bushiato to assist in improving our schools and never delivered, even though they were saddled with the "No Child Left Behind" test that is leaving every child behind.
HINT: Go to Google, type in the name of your kid's grade school math course and check out the sites, or Google "Illinoisloop" and check out the links. What you will find will be voluminous and scary.
Grade school kids' minds are at the peak of their learning potential, and what they learn will form the basis for what they will continue to learn and apply throughout life. Our kids are being cheated!
Dan_A_Cactus** on October 25, 2008 at 05:07 PM
Hey look... it's Dufus Dan!!!
So Dufus, what issue would you like to discuss today? Go ahead, pick one and we can discuss it. You can go first. Show us your not just an idiot who attacks people. Share with us your keen insights...
(this ought to be good)
"Funny no republicans are running around calling McCain their Messiah."
ROTFL!!!!
NO, Judging from the number of prominent Republicans defecting from the McInsane campaign and endorsing Obama, Republicans are running around calling OBAMA their messiah!
The slimy little trool got it right that time!
LOL!!!!
Chicago on October 25, 2008 at 05:02 PM
Chicago,
It really isn't fooling them.
Most Independents have that "95% of Americans will get a tax cut" copy point down flat. And lots of Reagan Democrats are really torn...they want this tax cut (need this tax cut) but are having a hard time letting go of their bad habits with Republicans.
Thank goodness for grandchildren. Lots of older people have really gotten worried about the future for their grandchildren...especially since the economic meltdown.
"None of them seem to know what to do"...
Translation: The Republicans are a bunch of damned fools. I'm ready to wring their necks even if I have to hold my nose and vote for that young black guy.
I predict a lot of Reagan Democrats won't bother to vote at all. Even the rednecks think McCain/Palin is sorry choice.
Oh, I get it, if you don't agree with dan, you should kill yourself. That would just leave like dan, and sally, and neocorn. Guys, you can't repopulate that way.
Hi Sally! Good to see you again! What do you want to talk about today?
Me and sally had a great chat last night about whatever crazy, rightarded, ignorant crap he wanted to post. It was fun.
Palin gives deposition in trooper case
ST. LOUIS, Missouri (CNN) -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin finished giving three hours of depositions Friday night to the state Personnel Board, which is looking into whether she unfairly fired Alaska's public safety director this summer, her attorney told CNN.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/24/palin.deposition/index.html
Palin/McCain = More of the same
hen there is the Obama "turth squads" only Hitler, Stalin and Castro had these, Youth groups the same.Dan_A_Cactus** on October 25, 2008 at 05:03 PM
McCain 'Truth Squad' Makes First AttackJanuary 15, 2008 6:35 PM
...McCain said yesterday he did not expect there to be a recurrence of the smear campaign that occurred in South Carolina in 2000 but the 'Truth Squad' was being formed to immediately rebut any negative attacks on him if they did occur. McCain lost that primary to George W. Bush, effectively ending his bid for the Republican nomination....
You really need to bone up before you open your stupid mouth, danny boy.
After the mass suicide, Chicago sent a post card to the Jim Jones camp saying "wish I could have been there".
19Dan_A_Cactus** on October 25, 2008 at 05:21 PM
Dufus,
I said you could pick the issue to discuss. What you posted isn't really an issue. It's just another of your stupid un-funny attacks.
What's the matter? YOU SCARED????? Don't you know anything about ANY of the issues???
No liberals are the asshats and dopey ones.
That's true. NO liberals are the asshats and dopey ones.
However, all Pugs are.
Ralph Nader is the reason McCain will lose in Montana. I'm loving this. He may well be one of the reason (along with Barr) McCain looses in general. Wouldn't that be a good bit of pay back?
Yes Obama's great tax plan, its called BO or bend over and "You all believed that?"
24Dan_A_Cactus** on October 25, 2008 at 05:29 PM
Dufus,
Is that the best you got? You cut and paste from an opinion piece that is not even signed?
And it claims a tax cut for the middle class is impossible. THink about it. McLame says he will cut taxes for EVERYONE. So if Obama;s plan is impossible, what would McLame's be? The opinion you posted just doesn't make sense.
Here is Obama's plan:
Obama’s Comprehensive Tax Policy Plan for America will:
Cut taxes for 95 percent of workers and their families with a tax cut of $500 for workers or $1,000 for working couples.
Provide generous tax cuts for low- and middle-income seniors, homeowners, the uninsured, and families sending a child to college or looking to save and accumulate wealth.
Eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses, cut corporate taxes for firms that invest and create jobs in the United States, and provide tax credits to reduce the cost of healthcare and to reward investments in innovation.
Dramatically simplify taxes by consolidating existing tax credits, eliminating the need for millions of senior citizens to file tax forms, and enabling as many as 40 million middle-class Americans to do their own taxes in less than five minutes without an accountant
well, that was a lot of fun. i just finished calling a bunch of folks with my same last name in indiana and it went over really well. there aren't many people in the country with my name - somewhere around a couple hundred - but in indiana there's one particular town where there are a bunch. and since we need help in indiana i thought calling and inviting my relatives to join me in voting for barack wouldn't be a bad idea. we didn't really talk much politics, i just wanted to get the message out, but we did talk some family history, built some bridges and spread the word. all-in-all, i'd call it a good thing.
What's the matter? YOU SCARED????? Don't you know anything about ANY of the issues???
Whats the matter, do you have a mental problem?
?????, ??????? , ?????
30Dan_A_Cactus** on October 25, 2008 at 05:38 PM
No, Dufus, I don't have a mental problem but you seem to. You don't seem to know anything about the issues so you try to hide that fact by attacking people. Your lame attempt by posting an opinion piece demonstrates my point. Thank you Dufus. You are a typical republican troll.
Hi Dan,
You seem to be some sort of Republican. I was wondering, do you think Palin is a drag on your ticket? I only ask because a lot of other Republicans seem to think so. I would ask Sally, but it won't talk to me anymore.
Just thought I'd ask. Love to hear your opinions on the matter.
Dan_A_Cactus** on October 25, 2008 at 05:56 PM
Well, Dufus, I thought you wanted to talk about the tax cuts. You provided an unsigned opinion piece that didn't even make sense. (according to that opinion piece, a middle class tax cut is impossible...wow, the republicans surely want you to believe that)
I provided information on Obama's tax plan from Obama's web site.
So what is McLame's tax policy? Do you know? Which plan will be better for you???
Come on, Dufus, let's see what you got.
you???
There you go again, go lay down a while and settle your nerves.
Dan_A_Cactus** on October 25, 2008 at 06:09 PM
Poor little Dufus Dan. Doesn't know McLame's tax plan. Doesn't know if it will be better for him or anyone else. Just another uninformed dupe the republicans count on to get elected. Go run and hide Dufus, if you are afraid everyone will see how stupid you are on the issues.
BoilerMan on October 25, 2008 at 05:50 PM
BoilerMan,
What a great idea. Chatting up potential relatives is a natural. I think you might have hit upon a untapped resource here.
bbl
42Dan_A_Cactus** on October 25, 2008 at 06:14 PM
Bye Bye Dufus Dan,
I'm not surprised to see you go. Every time we try to get you to tell us what you know on the issues and where you stand, you have to run and hide.
40DAN_A_CACTUS** ON OCTOBER 25, 2008 AT 06:07 PM
I agree, this election isn't about parties. But there are two parties that are currently trying to get votes. Hence, "your parties". If you are a conservative democrat, I find myself wondering what your stance could possibly be on several issues. Personally, I feel like you are probably a republican troll. I draw that conclusion based on the information that you present e.g. your constant badgering of the people on this blog, etc...
You contest that this is a race between liberals and conservatives, I disagree. If that were the case, you would not see as many republicans crossing the isle to endorse Obama. For many this is a race of change. For many they are offering their endorsements simply because they wish to be on the winning side, a lot of them simply can't stand their own parities candidate. One thing even you can't argue is that neither Gore nor Kerry had anything like this kind of support from the Republicans.
Oh Chicago, feel free to babble on, remember you are your only and best freind, enjoy.
46Dan_A_Cactus** on October 25, 2008 at 06:19 PM
Another stupid comment. Come on Dufus, what is McLame's tax plan? Do you know? Or are you just a dupe?
WORKINGMANOUTWEST ON OCTOBER 25, 2008 AT 06:28 PM
I think you may be confused about Senator Obama's plans regarding taxation. I am part of the working class, not the entitlement class. I don't feel that what sen Obama has proposed in any way harms me, quite the contrary. Everyone that I know will be getting a tax break under Sen. Obama's plan. I might add that as part of the "working class" I don't know a single person who makes anything close to $200,000 per year.
Chicago on October 25, 2008 at 06:15 PM
Chicago,
The problem with McCain is that he has a lousy tax plan. It's so bad, he won't share the details with voters. That's why dan and all the rest of the Reagan Democrats don't know what it is.
I've gotten only one piece of mail from McCain. It was a patriotic piece talking about victory in Iraq...no details about how that was going to happen or how he would handle any other issue.
His whole strategy is...Trust me; I chose Palin. We're both reckless, thoughtless mavericks who will make your lives even more insecure than Bush has.
His staff doesn't even understand what they are selling to voters. It's one gimmick or publicity stunt after another.
If they list the details of McCain's agenda, people will know that it's another eight years of Bush. So they punt and punt and punt.
You can't score if you don't have the talent or a real plan. That's the Palin/McCain agenda.
52WORKINGMANOUTWEST ON OCTOBER 25, 2008 AT 06:40 PM
And this is why people jumped on you. Did you watch this interview? Did you read the rest of the article? It's like Biden was being interviewed by Rush Limballs or something.
Follow this guys link and watch the video if you haven't seen it yet. Biden dominated this hateful woman.
SandyH on October 25, 2008 at 06:42 PM
Sandy, you are absolutely right. I've been watching McLame's events all day on CNN, FOX and MSNBC. It's obvious that he knows he cannot win on his own plans. So he is lying to people about what Obama's plans are. The people are seeing through that strategy. And each time McLame makes the claim that Obama will raise their taxes, he looks a little more desperate and a little less honest.
John McCain has decided that he can't beat our ideas so he decided to just make up some ideas and run against those!
~Barack Obama
It is very interesting that finally a reporter is trying to confront the Obama campaign about this very disturbing underlying theme of his politics and the Obama campaign's reaction to such questioning.
52WorkingManOutWest on October 25, 2008 at 06:40 PM
Workingman,
Are you really a "working man"? If you are, I think you are being fooled by the republicans. If you make under $200,000, they have been giving your tax breaks to the top 2% for the past 8 yrs. They have you believing that "spreading the wealth" is somehow a bad thing.
The American "working" men and women have been increasing their productivity over the past decade. But as they have been producing more, increasing the profits of the companies they work for, they have seen their wages go down and their tax burden remain the same. The wealth they are creating with the sweat is not coming back to them. It is going to make the CEO of that company even more rich. The gap has been widening thanks to Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy. When Obama says he wants to "spread the wealth around" that means he wants the American worker to enjoy some of the fruits of their labor. He wants to reduce the tax burden on the "working man". How could ANY true American believe that is "Marxist". Do you believe it is marxist?
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WorkingManOutWest on October 25, 2008 at 06:28 PM
You know, it's funny. I didn't hear any Republicans complain about Bush being a socialist when he transferred a lot of wealth from the lower and middle classes to the rich with his unprecendented tax cuts for the rich, which when they are allowed to expire will make the tax system in the US a more level playing field, and put the taxes for the rich back to the levels of the Reagan administration. I've never heard a Republican call Reagan a socialist either.
If you, as a working person, like paying unfair taxes so much, you can go ahead take your reduction in taxes you will get from the Obama administration and contribute them to the Red Cross, St Jude's Children's hospital, The Shriners' hospital, or some other deserving charity which are not considered socialist.
Has anyone else noticed how quickly Dufus Dan tucks his tail between his legs and runs when he is "called out" on the issues? He likes to come in here and attack people with slurs and insults. But when pressed to state his position on an issue and defend it, he can't do it. He doesn't know anything. He knows he looks stupid, so he cuts and runs. When he comes in here, let's not "ignore" him (as many have told me to do). Let's press him on his understanding of the issues. We can all have a good laugh when he cuts and runs like the stupid little republican dupe he is.
Now is the time to consider all the problems with infrastructure that have been caused by 8 years of neglect and underfunding while the Bushiato has pursued its illegal war and overpaid their no-bid contractor buddies to scam the taxpayers and under serve our kids in Iraq and Afghanistan.
We need to start repairing our highways, bridges and public buildings and bring them back up to specs, following proper bidding procedures and contractor oversights.
This will not only improve our infrastructure, but put more money into the economy, in the hands of the working people, who have been shortchanged for far too long.
In the meantime, each and every one of the no-bid contracts needs to be reviewed, and investigations into the procedures used to obtain those contracts, their legality, and the manner in which they were or were not fulfilled needs to be investigated by a special prosecutor's office and with Congressional oversight. Those found guilty of fraud, bribery, etc. should be punished and monetary damages pursued in civil court.
In addition to repairing infrastructure, we should also look at upgrading that infrastructure, especially government buildings, using current technology to give them smaller carbon footprints. By using solar technology, newer and better windows, the latest in roofing and roof insulation, and other upgrades we will not only give a boost to green technology companies, but reduce the costs of operating those buildings in the future.
mike_n_montana on October 25, 2008 at 06:34 PM
mike,
The entitlement class is now the wealthy.
They got the tax cuts under Bush. They are getting the bulk of the bailout money. They are the ones who got the no-bid war profiteering contracts. They got the golden parachutes and stock options. They garnered the graft from privatization of government services and bribes from K Street lobbyists.
Welfare for the poor was phased out over 15 years ago. The unskilled must now work multiple minimum wage jobs without health care benefits. The Republicans have put a limit on unemployment benefits even during recessions and found a way to stick a doughnut hole in the middle of prescription drug benefits for seniors.
Now McCain wants to cut back Medicare benefits for seniors and Medicaid for poor children and the disabled to pay for a $5,000 health care credit that will mainly benefit the wealthy...and make tax middle class workers add it to their income tax?
The idle rich are the entitlement class and they want more, more, more. McCain wants to see they get it.
The working poor and middle class are now paying for the excesses of the rich. It's time to stop making the working people pay for welfare for the wealthy.
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SandyH on October 25, 2008 at 07:19 PM
Though MikeinMT didn't say so I think that the rich were who he was talking about as being the entitlement class.
After dealing with the spoiled rich out-of-staters who want to take our public land access, and treat us like we have no right to use our own public land, streams and roads, while paying less than living wages for local workers to build their trophy homes in what were once pristine sites and then demand services such and police and fire that they don't want to pay taxes for, that's how I took it and probably most real(year around resident) Montanans would take it that way too.
George W. Bush had (and has) no compunction about lying to the American people because his entire life has been one huge lie. He owes his wealth and education, not to any intelligence or business acumen, but to the preferential treatment he received through family connections, yet he has the audacity to condemn affirmative action policies as “preferential treatment.” He makes jingoistic speeches and tells Iraqi insurgents to “bring it on” from the safety of the White House, yet again relied on family connections to avoid serving in Vietnam. Both of his so-called “elections” to the presidency were outright lies, manipulated by unlawful purges of prospective voters, corrupt election officials, and unethical Supreme Court “justices” like Antonin Scalia, who wanted to ensure that his “hunting buddy” Dick Cheney was elevated to the vice-presidency.
the only difference between chimp and mcchimp is mcchimp married money. Otherwise they are identical and will lead the nation to ruin.
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I really don`t get this crap about the top money-makers in this country needing to pay less taxes? There is a reason they are rich and that is they were already rich before Bush`s tax break! In other words they really don`t need help to be rich! If you really want money spent then the middle class is where to put it. How soon the greedy forget about anyone else. Funny we weren`t considered socialist before the Bush tax breaks for the wealthy?
George W. Bush had (and has) no compunction about lying to the American people because his entire life has been one huge lie. He owes his wealth and education, not to any intelligence or business acumen, but to the preferential treatment he received through family connections, yet he has the audacity to condemn affirmative action policies as “preferential treatment.” He makes jingoistic speeches and tells Iraqi insurgents to “bring it on” from the safety of the White House, yet again relied on family connections to avoid serving in Vietnam. Both of his so-called “elections” to the presidency were outright lies, manipulated by unlawful purges of prospective voters, corrupt election officials, and unethical Supreme Court “justices” like Antonin Scalia, who wanted to ensure that his “hunting buddy” Dick Cheney was elevated to the vice-presidency.
the only difference between chimp and mcchimp is mcchimp married money. Otherwise they are identical and will lead the nation to ruin.
George W. Bush had (and has) no compunction about lying to the American people because his entire life has been one huge lie. He owes his wealth and education, not to any intelligence or business acumen, but to the preferential treatment he received through family connections, yet he has the audacity to condemn affirmative action policies as “preferential treatment.” He makes jingoistic speeches and tells Iraqi insurgents to “bring it on” from the safety of the White House, yet again relied on family connections to avoid serving in Vietnam. Both of his so-called “elections” to the presidency were outright lies, manipulated by unlawful purges of prospective voters, corrupt election officials, and unethical Supreme Court “justices” like Antonin Scalia, who wanted to ensure that his “hunting buddy” Dick Cheney was elevated to the vice-presidency.
the only difference between chimp and mcchimp is mcchimp married money. Otherwise they are identical and will lead the nation to ruin.
Sorry for the triple post, my damn computer has constipation and just sits there and cranks away.
BUTTE ON OCTOBER 25, 2008 AT 07:28 PM
Thanks, that's what I meant.
I love how spread the wealth around is a socialist comment when you're talking about the middle class, but when tax cuts for the rich do exactly the same thing, it's just good old fashioned capitalism.
Johne on October 25, 2008 at 07:45 PM
Johne,
Well said and absolutely right.
And the only way the republicans can win this election at this point is to steal it. We have to make sure EVERYONE gets out and votes to make our majorities BIGGER.
AND, Obama needs to call McLame out right now. Obama needs to tell everyone that, win or lose, he will be demanding a complete investigation of the voting right after the election. And McLame needs to agree to that. So when the voting is done, we can prosecute ANYONE who tampered with the vote. By purging, hacking or any other means, anyone who tampers with the vote should go to JAIL.
why is nothing done about:
“A poll worker directed me to a touch screen voting machine & instructed me how to use it. I touched “Obama” for president & nothing lit up. I touched 2 or 3 more times & still nothing lit up. I called the poll worker back over to tell him I was having a problem. He said I just needed to touch it more lightly. I tried it 2 or 3 more times more lightly with the poll worker watching & still nothing lit up. The poll worker then touched it for me twice — nothing lit up. The third time he touched the Obama button, the Cynthia McKinney space lit up! The McKinney button was located five rows below the Obama button. The poll worker just kind of laughed and cancelled the vote. He hit the Obama button again & it finally lit up. I continued on to cast the rest of my votes. After completing the process & reviewing my votes, I went to the VOTE page, hit the VOTE button & nothing happened. Again after several tries, I called the poll worker over & he finally got the machine to register my votes. Hurray — I voted! — or did I? I left the polling place feeling uncertain.” Patricia Earnhardt - Friday, Oct. 17 - Howard School Building - Nashville, Tennessee
evening Dems. I see foolish old man Danny is still here. 24/7---you can count on him, except when he takes a break for the Senior Buffet bar down the street.
How you enjoying that Social Security check the Dems got for you, danny? and your Pension fought for and achieved for you by Democrats? You like our Medicare plan that the Democrats got so you can take your obese old body to the Dr when you need to?
Bet you enjoyed that 8 hour workday, the minimum wage, Workers compensation, Unemployment insurance, child labor laws, your Union, all earned for you by Democrats!!
Your Welcome! I will make sure Obama and the rest of the Dems know you are grateful!
West later asked Biden about his comments that Obama could be tested early on as president. She wondered if the Delaware senator was saying America's days as the world's leading power were over
WTF does this have to do with Biden's remark about the President will be tested????? This guy was obviously that Ashley Todd's brother, you know the gal who injured herself to try and make it look like a black Obama supporter did it??? (OH, and Lieberman made the exact remark about 5-6 months ago! Did you miss that?)
Are you REALLY that stupid, MN Thomass, or do you think you are funny? Go work on your resume. You are going to need it !
gee, it is nice to read this, after reading how Palin has destroyed the little left to McCain's campaign!!!!!!
Biden a reliable running mate amid the stumbles
OH NO ! Hide the sleeping pills Mrs Cactus and.....ooops, sorry Sally you are on your own!
Obama Widens Lead Over McCain in Nation, Key States
Oct. 25 (Bloomberg) -- Democrat Barack Obama widened his lead over Republican John McCain in most national polls and surveys of key states as the U.S. election contest heads into its final full week.
The Illinois senator was up 8 points over presidential rival McCain in an average of 16 polls taken during the last week, according to RealClearPolitics.com. Last week, Obama was up about 6 points.
Obama also has built leads in so-called battleground states including Pennsylvania and Ohio and he has an edge over McCain in some states that were Republican strongholds, such as Virginia and North Carolina.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20081025/pl_bloomberg/acc_gj9gwbk8
this is one to look forward to!
Obama to campaign for first time with Bill Clinton
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Dallas WASHINGTON – Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama will campaign for the first time alongside former President Bill Clinton at a rally next week in Orlando, Fla.
The two will appear together Wednesday in the perennial battleground state, Obama campaign spokeswoman Jen Psaki said.
Orlando sits in an important swing part of the state, where Clinton could help Obama among the white working-class voters who so strongly supported his wife.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081025/ap_on_el_pr/obama_clinton;_ylt=AjWqzPEZx4Ctxmy2v_WayYFsnwcF
here's a little bit of that West/Biden interview that MN Thomass left off:
"Marsh said West's insistence that Obama was an organizer for ACORN was "100 percent false." "In a line of questioning that would make Rush Limbaugh proud, West even went as far as to quote Karl Marx, a Communist icon, in a disturbing attempt to associate Barack Obama with socialism," Marsh wrote.
"There's nothing wrong with tough questions, but reporters have the very important job of sharing the truth with the public -- not misleading the American people with false information," Marsh added. "Senator Biden handled the interview well; however, the anchor was completely unprofessional. Senator Biden's wife is not running for elected office, and there are many other stations in the Orlando television market that would gladly conduct a respectful and factual interview with her."
Yeah, real fair, real balanced, real unbiased!
Hey Sally! Dude, it looks like Coleman is pretty screwed to me. He's going to loose to a comedian. Minnesota must hate you pugs.
But now, in addition to reaping some benefit from voter anxiety about the economy, he is also profiting from the statewide popularity of Senator Barack Obama, the Democratic nominee for president. In Minnesota, Mr. Obama was leading Senator John McCain, the Republican nominee, by 51 percent to 40 percent as of mid-October, according to a Quinnipiac University poll.
“I come to you in challenging times,” Mr. Coleman told the supporters here in Red Wing. “I need your help. I need your hope. I need your prayers.”
But what the crowd gave him, at least that night, were more hard questions.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/26/us/politics/26minnesota.html
Their usual practice is to choose Republicans who either can't lose, or can't win. For that paper to endorse a Republican in a major, hotly contested race is unprecedented in my memory. I'm speechless.
76Sally-* on October 25, 2008 at 08:37 PM
My guess would be that they are following their usual practice, i.e. endorsing a Republican who can't win!
well, heading out Dems. Husband just got home from work. Will spend some time with him.
blog ya tomorrow, Dems.
Dan,
Please on wise one, explain the difference between a conservative democrat and a liberal republican. I would love an example of a "conservative democrat" who has endorsed McCain so that I can understand that mind-set.
87WORKINGMANOUTWEST ON OCTOBER 25, 2008 AT 09:09 PM
* Nationalization of key industries, such as coal, steel, power, and transportation. A common model was for a sector to be taken over by the state and then one or more public corporations set up for its day-to-day running. Advantages of nationalization are:
o The ability of the state to direct investment in key industries
I love the way people put the things they want you to see in bold but don't think you will read the rest of the article.
By your logic, we're already a socialist state.
Mike google it, O' dopey one.
91DAN_A_CACTUS** ON OCTOBER 25, 2008 AT 09:27 PM
I figured it would be easier for you to explain it since you know about it.
DAN_A_CACTUS** ON OCTOBER 25, 2008 AT 09:38 PM
Alright danny, I tried it, nadda. I guess I just can't use this here fancy interweb. How about give me one example of a prominent democrat who has "crossed the isle" in support of McCain. Come on, just the one.
Sally,
Hi, sorry, you can't count Liberman. He's an Independent. We can talk about it. Maybe you could tell me someone if Danny boy won't.
Zell Miller has been a ruepug since 2003. He's not a conservative democrat, he's a former democrat.
SALLY-* ON OCTOBER 25, 2008 AT 09:51 PM
"Lieberman describes himself as being "genuinely an Independent,"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Lieberman
Sally old man, you just can't get it right can you?
Dan,
The reason that we say the things you post aren't true is usually because they aren't. Just take sally as an example, he just spews lie after lie, when you refute him, he calls you names. You do similar things. If we say anything that you think is stupid, you probably just don't understand it.
I didn't say you posted lies, you said I said you posted lies. I've never seen you post a link that was a good one. You did post one earlier to a yahooanswers page. That wasn't a lie, it just wasn't the whole truth. And as for where do you go? You could go away.
It was just a suggestion, you did ask where you could go. At least I stayed away from the obvious answer.
Actually, I meant we as in "some lib" .
Who, exactly, do you think I am. You did this to me the first time I came to this blog. I think you thought I was Butte, I'm not by the way. Just who are you? Maybe you are someone else. Hmmmmm
By the way, can I have some of that "imaginary ice cream"?
Mike_n_Montana,
The ice cream used to be our "reward" for not playing with the trolls. That was after there used to be a "donate" deal for if someone did.
That doesn't make any sense. Are you some kind of crazy person?
Are you high?
DAN_A_CACTUS** ON OCTOBER 25, 2008 AT 10:44 PM
I was actually talking to you.
what flavor would you like mike? we have peach, mango, chocolate chip and coffee.
dan is going to have a very bad evening on 11/4. right now dan is in denial but reality is rushing toward him like the shock wave of an atomic bomb detonation.
dan, tell sally's mom to hand you the carbona huffing bag and change those nasty bloomers of hers. she is so stanky!
I didn't know you had chocolate, I totally want chocolate.
two scoops or three? sugar or wafer cone?
oh dan by the way you are going to lose and lose big. in about nine days. and then you will get to watch social security not get privatized, national health care be enacted and all federal court appointments be progressives....oh and lots of regulations....hahahahahha
dan is hugo the death row inmate whose sperm they used to artificially inseminate the brain dead sociopath that bore you?
JohnPShirley on October 25, 2008 at 08:25 PM
You needed to call the Obama hotline number. We have a state hotline in Missouri. I assume there is one in TN, too.
We are telling voters to call on a cell phone directly from the polling place if there is a problem like this. They will put you directly on the line with a lawyer who will tell you what to do.
Don't let anyone intimidate you when something like this happens. I would challenge the election officials if I didn't think my vote was properly being recorded. We need to document these cases and make sure that every vote is being tabulated.
Please get in touch with your local Obama field office. I'm sorry I don't know what that number is, but if you go to www.barackobama.com I'm sure there is a link.
I'm sorry you experienced this. Don't give up. You have a right to know your vote is recorded properly...and everyone else who votes on that machine, too.
Thanks for posting.
The Long Road Ahead -- Are You Ready for the Worst the Economy Has to Offer?
It's fascinating to read the commentators in mainstream journals like The Financial Times and The Wall Street Journal all strenuously pretending that "the worst is over" (maybe… we hope… fingers crossed… hail Mary full of grace… et cetera). The cluelessness would be funny if it didn't involve a world-changing catastrophe. All nations that have reached the fork-and-spoon level of civilization are now engineering a vast network of cyber-cables that lead directly from their central bank computers to the Death Star that is hovering above world financial affairs like a giant cosmic vacuum cleaner, sucking up dollars, euros, zlotys, forints, krona, what-have-you. As fast as the keystrokes create currency-pixels, the little electron-denominated units of exchange are sucked out of the terrestrial economies into the black hole of money death. That's what the $700-billion bail-out (excuse me, "rescue plan") and all its associated ventures are about.
To switch metaphors, let's say that we are witnessing the two stages of a tsunami. The current disappearance of wealth in the form of debts repudiated, bets welshed on, contracts cancelled, and Lehman Brothers-style sob stories played out is like the withdrawal of the sea. The poor curious little monkey-humans stand on the beach transfixed by the strangeness of the event as the water recedes and the sea floor is exposed and all kinds of exotic creatures are seen thrashing in the mud, while the skeletons of historic wrecks are exposed to view, and a great stench of organic decay wafts toward the strand. Then comes the second stage, the tidal wave itself -- which in this case will be horrific monetary inflation -- roaring back over the mud flats toward the land mass, crashing over the beach, and ripping apart all the hotels and houses and infrastructure there while it drowns the poor curious monkey-humans who were too enthralled by the weird spectacle to make for higher ground. The killer tidal wave washes away all the things they have labored to build for decades, all their poignant little effects and chattels, and the survivors are left keening amidst the wreckage as the sea once again returns to normal in its eternal cradle.
So, that's what I think we will get: an interval of deflationary depression followed by a destructive wave of inflation that will wipe out both constructed debt and constructed savings, scraping the financial landscape clean. There's no question that stage one is underway. But we can be sure the giant wave of money recklessly loaned into existence in just a few weeks time will wash back through the global economy leaving a swath of destruction.
And then what?
Chicago on October 25, 2008 at 08:02 PM
Chicago,
Did you see the new Obama commercial? One of this top priorities upon taking office will be to audit everything that the Bush administration filed for accuracy. He's not going to assume any of it is true.
my, my, my danny boy more trouble from that hot babe, sister sarah....she is such a drag on the mcbush ticket...i wonder if the old geezer will put the blame on her after he gets crushed 11/4
AP INVESTIGATION: Palin pipeline terms curbed bids
By JUSTIN PRITCHARD and GARANCE BURKE – 11 hours ago
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — Gov. Sarah Palin's signature accomplishment — a contract to build a 1,715-mile pipeline to bring natural gas from Alaska to the Lower 48 — emerged from a flawed bidding process that narrowed the field to a company with ties to her administration, an Associated Press investigation shows.
Beginning at the Republican National Convention in August, the McCain-Palin ticket has touted the pipeline as an example of how it would help America achieve energy independence.
"We're building a nearly $40 billion natural gas pipeline, which is North America's largest and most expensive infrastructure project ever, to flow those sources of energy into hungry markets," Palin said during the Oct. 2 vice presidential debate.
Despite Palin's boast of a smart and fair bidding process, the AP found that her team crafted terms that favored only a few independent pipeline companies and ultimately benefited the winner, TransCanada Corp.
And contrary to the ballyhoo, there's no guarantee the pipeline will ever be built; at a minimum, any project is years away, as TransCanada must first overcome major financial and regulatory hurdles.
In interviews and a review of records, the AP found:
_Instead of creating a process that would attract many potential builders, Palin slanted the terms away from an important group — the global energy giants that own the rights to the gas.
_Despite promises and legal guidance not to talk directly with potential bidders, Palin had meetings or phone calls with nearly every major candidate, including TransCanada.
_The leader of Palin's pipeline team had been a partner at a lobbying firm where she worked on behalf of a TransCanada subsidiary. Also, that woman's former business partner at the lobbying firm was TransCanada's lead private lobbyist on the pipeline deal, interacting with legislators in the weeks before the vote to grant TransCanada the contract. Plus, a former TransCanada executive served as an outside consultant to Palin's pipeline team.
_Under a different set of rules four years earlier, TransCanada had offered to build the pipeline without a state subsidy; under Palin, the company could receive a maximum $500 million...
good night friends and others. see you tomorrow.
Why Obama Has Pulled Ahead on Taxes and Economic Issues
Republicans push policies that redistribute income from working and middle-class Americans to the rich. No wonder people are turning to Obama.
The Debt Trap: How Banks Push Troubled Borrowers Deeper Into Debt
Big Finance's pursuit of struggling American consumers is one of the overlooked causes of the debt boom and the resulting crisis.
Esp, click Preview at the bottom and the comments come back. (Secret magic code!)
The truth about Gregg's "Goat":
"Although Pontiac had strenuously promoted the GTO in advertising as the "GTO Tiger," it had become known in the youth market as the "Goat." Pontiac management attempted to make use of the new nickname in advertising but were vetoed by upper management, which was dismayed by its irreverent tone."
The guy I work for called me from downtown Albuquerque about 6:45PM and said that it is a zoo. He said there must be 55,000 people lining the streets awaiting Obama's arrival. Obama will be speaking in the UNM stadium. He said people are lined up for miles to see him.
I understand that mcahole was speaking today in Santa Fe. He probably had a crowd of 10 lost souls and the rest were bought by the RNC of NM.
mcahole is toast.
virgo1 on October 25, 2008 at 07:41 PM
Good point. Most of the top 2% inherited that wealth and could care less about any of it trickling down when there are so many tax loopholes that let them accumulate more wealth without even trying.
They have done little with their tax cuts except manipulate the markets through speculation. They obviously didn't want to invest in jobs here in America or creating alternative forms of energy for the past 40 years since the OPEC oil embargo.
If they were true capitalists, they would have created new products and technologies to grow their wealth. Basically all they have done with the tax cuts Bush and the Congressional Republicans gave them was gamble them away in an orgy of new financial pyramid schemes created by crooks with super computers and bogus mathematical models.
They don't have a brain in their heads and neither do the Republicans who encouraged them to do it by deregulating the banking system and financial markets.
Dumb (ignorant 2nd or 3rd generation rich) and dumber (incompetent, fiscally-irresponsible Republican politicians) need to have their wings clipped until they learn how to fly without crashing...just like those 3rd generation, militarily-challenged fly boys McCain and Bush.
America has always been a cradle of creativity and innovation. We have produced great new ideas and products in the past and we will again once the bottom 90% take back their capitalist society and resurrect a viable middle class.
Lesson learned. Case closed.
-->157Dan_A_Cactus** on October 25, 2008 at 11:52 PM
Liar, liar. Pants on fire.
Nose as long as a telephone wire.
{{SandyH}} @ October 25, 2008 at 11:58 PM
You've got it. Well said.
esp on October 25, 2008 at 11:49 PM
esp,
We know that those Diebold machines were designed by Republicans and that the owner promised Bush he would deliver the presidency for him. There is no reason not to believe that the rest of those touch screens were also designed with this same purpose in mind.
After Nixon was disgraced out of office, the conservative think tanks went into super charge mode trying to devise new ways to get back into power. Voter suppression was one of their top priorities. It still is and has become even more important now that Bush screwed up the country and weakened (if not outright destroyed) The Republican Brand.
Job Losses Accelerate, Signaling Deeper Distress
Employers are moving to aggressively cut jobs and reduce costs in the face of the nation's economic crisis, preparing for what many fear will be a long and painful recession.
The labor market has been weak all year, with a slow drip of workers losing their jobs each month. But the deterioration of the job market is now emerging as a driver of economic distress, according to a wide range of data and anecdotal reports from corporate America.
In September, there were more mass layoffs -- instances in which employers slashed 50 or more jobs at one time -- than in any month since September 2001, the Labor Department said yesterday. And nearly half a million Americans have filed new claims for unemployment benefits in each of the past four weeks, the highest rate of such claims since just after the terrorist attacks seven years ago.
Anecdotal reports suggest that the hemorrhaging in the job market has only begun. [snip]
The nation has shed jobs every month this year, but at a slower overall pace than in past economic downturns. The slide accelerated in late summer, with declines similar to those in past recessions. Last month, employers shed 159,000 jobs, the most this year and more than the average number of monthly job losses in the terrible labor markets of 2001 and 2002. [snip]
The nation's unemployment rate was 6.1 percent last month, not astronomical by historical standards. But the rate was up from 5 percent in April, and many forecasters now expect it to hit 7 percent or more by the end of this downturn.
How Big Oil's Lobbyists Contributed to Big Finance's Crash
Unless the current financial meltdown is to become a permanent state of ruin, the SEC is hardly the only government agency that must immediately be reformed. Among others, the Commodity Futures and Exchange Commission (CFTC) -- the government agency that regulates futures markets -- now needs a heavy dose of re-regulation.
The house of cards that is the deregulated futures market has so far benefited the remaining top two investment banks, Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs -- and one industry, Big Oil. Even with the recent wild volatility in the price of oil (a hallmark of deregulated markets), Big Oil has maintained its spot as the largest economic victor the world has ever known, profiting from an area of "voluntary regulation" that should be far more worrisome for the average American and for the global economy than the collapsed subprime mortgage market.
Deregulation of energy futures took place in two stages, in 1992 and 2000, under the heavy and coordinated lobbying efforts of the nation's largest oil and energy companies and banks, including Mobil, Exxon, Conoco, Phillips, BP North America, Enron, Goldman Sachs, J.P. Morgan, Morgan Stanley, Chase Manhattan Bank, Citigroup and the American Petroleum Institute. The first effort succeeded in removing certain energy trades from CFTC oversight, while the latter removed entire exchanges from the agency's control.
There were two immediate beneficiaries of the deregulation: the Intercontinental Exchange (ICE) and Enron (which is why the latter effort is known as "the Enron Loophole"). In May 2000, just before deregulation became the law, BP, Shell, TotalFinaElf, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, among others, came together in Atlanta to form ICE as their own privately held futures exchange, specializing in the very trades deemed outside the CFTC's jurisdiction. It took a few years, but once ICE caught on, its trades skyrocketed. By 2006, the unregulated ICE replaced the regulated NYMEX (New York Mercantile Exchange) as the home to the majority of crude oil futures trades.
The problems are that Congress had a republics majority until January 2007. And since then, the republics have obstructed, or stonewalled on a large number of issues. And the republics are in the WH. And in charge of running governmental departments (though incompetently).
The solution?
Barbi on October 25, 2008 at 11:31 PM
Hi, Barbi.
It's odd but I think most American voters understand exactly what I just wrote above about the way capitalism is supposed to work...instinctively. They know the middle class has to take matters back into our own hands.
The super rich in our nation are not acting like American capitalists any longer. They consider themselves multinationals with little alliegance to our Constitution or our American Dream/Way of Life.
We can register more voters and GOTV than the Republicans can suppress the vote...and we will this election. It's the thing to do if you believe in our republic...or on a more elementary level, if you are worried about what a third term of Bush would do to your future and that of your kids and grandkids.
Survival mode has kicked in for the middle class.
And the poor are opportunistic again. That is the most encouraging sign of all. I can't believe how the working poor in the apartment complexes that I have canvassed are so hopeful. They sense something good is coming again to this nation if the participate in this election.
Perhaps we Democrats can reclaim God and country again...not just the Republicans? It's our flag and military, too. We can again be the United Red, White, and Blue States of American. It's no longer a futile wish.
Why did we Democrats ever cede an inch of our patriotism to the Republicans? We'll never do it again. We will show them what can be done by those who are truly committed to making this country great again. Those moderates Republicans and Independents who also want to make that commitment are welcome to join us.
Good night, all.
esp on October 26, 2008 at 12:34 AM
Without a true majority and the White House we were powerless to do anything. We are about to correct the problem.
Sit tight. It's going to happen. America is not going to go away.
The nation's unemployment rate was 6.1 percent last month, not astronomical by historical standards. But the rate was up from 5 percent in April, and many forecasters now expect it to hit 7 percent or more by the end of this downturn.
Barbi on October 26, 2008 at 12:25 AM
Barbi,
We know that Bush has been manipulating these numbers. It will take sometime to figure out the true state of affairs and then target solutions to combat the economic problems we face.
Obama will insist that we face them. He has the determination and drive to do it. We as a nation want to do it. I believe this with all my heart.
We are at a crossroads, Barbi. We are not going to continue on the course we have been on. We will chart a new one.
Good night, again.
Good night, {{Sandy}}. Rest well. Thank you for all you're doing.
And, Sandy, you're so correct about those things. And Bushco just can't seem to tell the truth on anything.
Jackson Browne - The Load Out / Stay - Live 1978
Good night, good {{Dems}}.
As I suggested earlier, we need a obstruction-proof majority in congress.
Good night, again.
Hmmm, I wonder why more college educated people vote democrat than republican?
I showed hubby the video of the Biden interview with that anchor bringing up Carl Marx. Afterwords my hubby was like, these people are f-ing crazy.
Why is a tax cut for the wealthy just fine, but a tax cut for the middle class is communism?
I'd like for JM and SP to explain that.
CFO's made 40 times more than the worker under clinton, under bush it rose to 400 times more. Ole' chip on the previous thread doesn't know shit.
the utter collapse of the American economy. is caused by the republican first giving tax breaks to the rich then spending like drunking sailars
it not the democrats fault there the ones who will fix it and bring the economey back then bring job grouth and help the middel class to prospers with taxcuts
sally your dreaming obama will win so sally duffus dan The_dumbass_Dr*Burd will all be crying on the 5th of november the senate will have 60 democrats and house will have 251 members and all the legistation will be all progresive and republican will watch and not say a peep
Put on your hockey hemet before you stumble while getting on the short bus again.
198The_Evil_Dr*Burd on October 26, 2008 at 06:28 AM what hell are you talking about i dont where a hockey helment or short bush are you talking about your self so you need hockey mask while you ride the bus wil picking up sally and dan going to the mentel instution
Sally-* on October 26, 2008 at 05:11 AM
neo-con, looks like you have the wrong party thinking their candidate is the Messiah.
good to see the trolls thick here late at night again. i thought they had lost their spirit and waddled away with their tails betwix their legs...they will be fun to commune with on 11/4...
wow it rained like crazy here last night and today is supposed to be warm and sunny. and good morning to all my friends.
167esp on October 26, 2008 at 12:34 AM
the public is permitted to observe the open testing of each election, they are permitted to be observers of election night, recounts, and official counts.
work as a poll worker to learn how the machines operate, how to check for voter reigstration, ect.
good morning, to you, gg. sunny with highs in the lower 60's today. great solar clothes drying weather if I do say so myself.
The_Evil_Dr*Burd on October 26, 2008 at 06:46 AM
go find what I posted. please, pretty please. haha
I'll give you a hint....it was a song.
Public records requested by The Dispatch disclose that information on Wurzelbacher's driver's license or his sport-utility vehicle was pulled from the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles database three times shortly after the debate.
Information on Wurzelbacher was accessed by accounts assigned to the office of Ohio Attorney General Nancy H. Rogers, the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency and the Toledo Police Department.
It has not been determined who checked on Wurzelbacher, or why. Direct access to driver's license and vehicle registration information from BMV computers is restricted to legitimate law enforcement and government business.
185Sally-* on October 26, 2008 at 04:45 AM
Information on Wurzelbacher was accessed by accounts assigned
of course these government sites were used to find information -the public has access and can do their own lookup. get it? accessed by accounts assigned to
HAVA more fun all the time! gotta keep all those VRs online with BMV & SSA! hahaha
It's awesome and looks easy to do. Email it to friends.
I'm going to Google some more.
161esp on October 26, 2008 at 12:05 AM
here ya go, folks. someone who thinks hacking is awesome and easy to do...and going to share the info to all it's friends.
vote by mail, or in the office of the BOE, or at their designated early voting site. use an optical scan ballot, follow all the instructions so that your votes will be tabulated by the scanner correctly.
don't use the machines. in some cases, they are not being calibrated which causes vote jumping.
Morning {{Esme}}}, {{{gregg}}}, Dems !
Now Esme, don't we just know, if that were a Democrat who was caught as a plant for the McCain campaign, who posed as something he was not, that Stevie would be the FIRST one to be checking anywhere he could to prove he was a Crook? A Liar? I think that is called a Hypocrite, isn't it??? :)
plus anyone who believe that the German redneck spent 4 weeks up in Alaska, I have a bridge to nowhere I am trying to sell! Wonder if he realizes that any beauty in Alaska, will soon be gone as soon as those oil rigs are set up there, and all the game, the wilderness is gone! Nahhhhh, he would not realize something like that! His job on the BMW assembly line is not conducive to intelligent thinking.
OH county BOEs will be mandated to perform an audit of the Presidential race.
detailed procedures will be uniformly applied. those who are permitted by law to observe any other counting of results will be permitted to observe the audit.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081026/pl_politico/14941
Law may preclude TV stardom for Palin
...
Section 39.52.170 of the ethics law declares that public employees “may not render services to benefit a personal or financial interest or engage in or accept employment outside the agency which the employee serves, if the outside employment or service is incompatible or in conflict with the proper discharge of official duties.” In addition, “the head of a principal executive department of the state may not accept employment for compensation outside the agency that the executive head serves.”
hey Esme, this year I am to be the "Assistant Registrar" at our polling district. Training is Thursday night. Our polls open at 6:00AM, we have to be there at 5:15, and close at 8:00, and we have to stay until everything is added up and matches books to machine. I do not expect to get home until after 9:00. I expect you will have a long day also. I hope to run into you here on Election night.
g'morning, Bold.
the carpenter & I would love to have a 4 week vacation hunting and fishing in Alaska. or taking a cruise with site seeing.
I have a friend who lived there for over a decade. she said it's the worst place to try to find a job, and that when the 6 month winter hits, all everyone does is drink and fight.
WOW ! Alaskan Daily News endorses OBAMA! Because they KNOW Sarah Palin and are afraid of her being one heartbeat from the Presidency!
I guess this says it ALL, folks! When your own newspaper thinks you are not suited, what does that tell you???
Obama for president
Palin's rise captivates us but nation needs a steady hand
Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic nominee, brings far more promise to the office. In a time of grave economic crisis, he displays thoughtful analysis, enlists wise counsel and operates with a cool, steady hand. The same cannot be said of Sen. McCain.
Since his early acknowledgement that economic policy is not his strong suit, Sen. McCain has stumbled and fumbled badly in dealing with the accelerating crisis as it emerged. He declared that "the fundamentals of our economy are strong" at 9 a.m. one day and by 11 a.m. was describing an economy in crisis. He is both a longtime advocate of less market regulation and a supporter of the huge taxpayer-funded Wall Street bailout. His behavior in this crisis -- erratic is a kind description -- shows him to be ill-equipped to lead the essential effort of reining in a runaway financial system and setting an anxious nation on course to economic recovery.
Yet despite her formidable gifts, few who have worked closely with the governor would argue she is truly ready to assume command of the most important, powerful nation on earth. To step in and juggle the demands of an economic meltdown, two deadly wars and a deteriorating climate crisis would stretch the governor beyond her range. Like picking Sen. McCain for president, putting her one 72-year-old heartbeat from the leadership of the free world is just too risky at this time.
I'm so thankful for people like you, {{{Bold}}} who take their civic duty even further. I know how much responsibility is involved in the "job" you are undertaking, overseeing the operation.
We currently have 3 administrators. I'm the lucking one who will have to pull a straight 12 hour shift. I highly doubt all precincts will be reported by the time I arrive first thing in the morning the day after the election.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-michelle26-2008oct26,0,6927360.story
Obama's point woman with military families: his wife, Michelle Obama
Like military spouses, she juggles multiple roles — wife, mother, working woman — she says.
Esme, my daughter worked in Alaska for 10 months. She hated it. Outside of the day trips she took when her sister came to visit, it is a desolate, depressing, 'night is day and day is night' state. There were more men than women there, but the saying was, "The Odds are good, but the Goods are Odd!" She did not meet anyone she wanted to bring home to Mom!
Here is Real Clear Politics Electoral poll as of today:
Unless a big bright star shines down over the next 9 days onto McCain's manger, he is GONZO!
Obama/Biden 306
255 Solid 51 Leaning
McCain/Palin 157
137 Solid 20 Leaning
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h0S_-WZ32SLwqlSl84qr8MxA1SbQD9416KHO0
Christian right intensifies attacks on Obama
time for shower and breakfast. bbl, Dems.
Have a great day, Esme!
time to use that wind & solar clothes dryer! ahhh, line dried bed sheets. and make the carpenter breakfast before he gets home from taking the deer he hunted/killed to the processers. a freezer full of meat that will last all winter!!!
Enjoy the day, everyone.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Now I don't feel so bad about Palin's $4000 spent on makeup!!! Anybody watching McCain right now on Meet the Press?
His is so thick, you could cut it with a knife. At least they are sharing that pancake crap that they spread on his puss. Notice his wrinkly neck is white compared to the orange face !
PamB on October 26, 2008 at 09:29 AM
Damn those liberal newspaper elites!
oh shit things are really tightening up in new hampshire!!!!
New Hampshire Boston Globe/UNH Obama 54, McCain 39 Obama +15
I am not sure where this one came from, Esme. I don't believe it was the Bible, but it is a Great Reminder:
"MAN PLANS, GOD LAUGHS"!
This Election is all in God's hands! BUT God helps those who help themselves, so sign up for Nov. 4th off from work. Call your local Dem office, volunteer ! Drive. Phone people and ask them if they need rides. Help anyway you can over these next 9 days. Not just Obama, but all those Democrats for your local offices, for the House and the Senate ! Get people out to vote. You will find that the majority of Americans are like minded like we are, and they want CHANGE! Get them to the polls.
Good morning, all.
Yes, Senator Kennedy is working the phone hard trying to line up Senators from both sides of the aisles. He's trying to forge a consensus that will result in action once this election is over to provide affordable health care for all Americans.
It's going to be the work of his life, because he knows there won't be many more springs for him to let Change flourish again in America. We have maybe two years at the most...if we can get a magic number in the Senate from either the vote on November 4 or from building an alliance with moderates from the right.
I'm hearing the MSM talking about the possibility of a filibuster-proof Senate today and raising an alarm that we didn't hear from them when Bush had it. Some are saying that Americans like a divided government.
WTF is that all about? One of the most quoted remarks by Lincoln is the House Divided Speech. Any reasoning person understands the value of free men working together for the common good.
If it went wrong under Bush, could it possibly be because he was incompetent and in over his head? Could it be that his conservative ideology was given a full reign and proven that it doesn't work well? Did he abuse Executive Power? Did he neglect his duties and allow markets to be manipulated? Were fraudulent accounting methods used and oversight blocked?
I don't understand why the MSM would take these
Bush failures and apply them instantly to Obama when he has laid it out exactly how he intends to do things differently than Bush.
As Kennedy, like a Lion in Winter, tries desperately to put his house in order, a younger progressive is taking a measured, cautious attempt at forging alliances, too.
One party rule is not one party rule if reasonable men recognize the importance of counsel from outside as well as inside their Party and ideological circle. We Democrats are determined to do it differently.
If one wants a House Divided, they don't have to look anything further than the Civil
War to see what damage can be done above and beyond what has been done in the last eight years. We are going to give the Constitution a second chance to work the way the Founders wanted it to work...and we are not going to destroy the Bill of Rights to do it.
2nd Amendment advocates should feel vindicated. They saw the danger, raised the alarm, and now they have new Democratic allies to protect what is most important. Change is coming in this country.
Gotta run. later.
Sandy,
There is a Ballot question on the CT ballot this year, "Should there be a Constitutional Convention to amend and revise our State Constitution"!
I cannot think of anything more dangerous than to give the ability (to either party) to be able to change a State Constitution !
What lurks in the mind of men who want this power to do this?
WATERLOO, Iowa - Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the Republican presidential nominee, said Sunday that he was a proud Republican but believed the Bush administration had failed in a number of areas, asking voters to remember that “I’m not George Bush.”
McCain went further, grabbing Tom Brokaw by the neck and screaming: "...and I am not Spartacus either you fuckhead!!!!"
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PamB on October 26, 2008 at 10:18 AM
My grandma used to have a similar dicho, or saying.
Hombre propuesto, Dios dispuesto
Man proposes, God disposes.
I've been talking to Him about the election quite a bit lately.
Good brunch time, everyone.
I sort of get the idea that Seth would resent me copying and pasting this here, but I'm going to do it anyway. I like the way he says things.
That Sarah Palin is one unreal Alaskan
By SETH KANTNER
GUEST COLUMNIST
...Come on, people. Our ice is melting. Your jobs are turning to dust. Everyone's bank statements are on the verge of being firestarter. Your heating oil is $4 a gallon, ours is $8.
John McCain's answers to those problems? Heck, I honestly don't know what he stands for this week. Talk about a shifting ice floe. But his running mate, we've heard her answers: She's already sued the polar bears, now she's chanting, "Drill, baby, drill!"
Wake up, folks. Sarah Palin is America's bridge to nowhere. Get off it.
From up here in the Arctic -- not left or right but north of the campaign trail -- the reality is clear and cold: When John McCain chose Sarah Palin, he wrote America out of his will. It's time for us to write him out of our future.
* * * *
Seth Kantner was born and raised in the Arctic and is a commercial fisherman in Alaska's northernmost salmon fishery. He is the author of "Shopping for Porcupine" and the best-selling novel "Ordinary Wolves."
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/383843_alaska19.html?source=mypi
PamB on October 26, 2008 at 10:52 AM
Pam,
I heard something about that the other day. It might be on the ballot here, too. We have so many propositions, tax proposals, and state amendments up for a vote this time it makes you wonder why we even have a state legislature.
What do they do? They want us to do their work for them? Or are they setting us up to take the blame when everything goes wrong by passing one of these dumb ideas?
In this climate, in this crazy time...who wants another political arena for all these bozo conservatives to showboat their incompetence for the 24/7 media divas? Another Constitutional Congress? Where would the hold it in Wissila?
Just vote for Democrats if you want change.
Looks like Ms. Bachman is the new Katherine Harris
realclearpolitics
Bachmann Remarks Come At Cost
Controversial comments have put Republican Rep. Michele Bachmann in electoral hot water, a new survey shows, as more than two in three voters in Minnesota's Sixth Congressional District say they disagree with her remarks.
The poll, conducted for the University of Minnesota's Humphrey Institute and Minnesota Public Radio by the Center for Survey Research and Analysis at the University of Connecticut, surveyed 430 registered voters 10/21-23 for a margin of error of +/- 4.7%...
Tinklenberg......45 / 90 / 10 / 23
Bachmann.........43 / 3 / 79 / 51
Anderson......... 5 / 3 / 6 / 5
...Few races have changed faster than the Bachmann-Tinklenberg battle. Bachmann's non-apology ad is on the air, while Tinklenberg raised over $1.3 million in a week since the comments. Meanwhile, national Democrats launched a $482,000 ad buy while Republicans pulled funding from the district.
This Election is all in God's hands!PamB on October 26, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Talked to the old boy this morning. He said he's busy picking the winners of the World Series, The Amazing Race, and Dancing With The Stars right now. He said we're on our own in this politics thing.
that's ok with me gregl as long as the big fella doesn't help the pelicans and stays out altogether we should kick some serious ass...
This Election is all in God's hands!
PamB on October 26, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Talked to the old boy this morning. He said he's busy picking the winners of the World Series, The Amazing Race, and Dancing With The Stars right now. He said we're on our own in this politics thing.
234GregL on October 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM
hiya, gregl.
The bible tells us that our leaders are indeed in God's hands. I don't recall any ball games, but there was that one time they rolled the dice for Christ's clothes.
Be a good citizen. All governments are under God. Insofar as there is peace and order, it's God's order. So live responsibly as a citizen.- Romans 13:1
A leader of good judgment gives stability. Proverbs 29:4
Without wise leadership, a nation falls; with many counselors, there is safety.- Proverbs 11:14
Here's one of my all time favorites:
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chron. 7:14
In an interview with Wolf Blitzer, McCain was asked if passing a bill that would allow seniors to opt for allocating 10% of Social Security payments to the stock market was still a good idea, in view of the recent crash. McCain refused to answer, even though repeatedly asked. Just rambled on in the usual way, changing the subject.
Does this mean that if elected, he will push for a bill that dupes seniors into rewarding Wall Street with billions more?????
Say it ain't so!
Esmeralda on October 26, 2008 at 01:03 PM
I bet they weren't worth $150,000 but then we didn't have EBay back then.
Good Sunday,
This economic collapse is going to get much worse if we allow the same businesses and corrupted officials to put their fix on it.
The opportunity has arrived to get business influence out of the government of the people, and make businesses the responsible servants of real people.
The businesses, with government blessings, that were shocking and preying on people have shocked themselves somehow and stand there with hands outstretched for more money. Do we dare give them our checkbook, or do we get wise and put some constraints on them to do no more damage?
He said he's busy picking the winners of the World Series, The Amazing Race, and Dancing With The Stars right now...
GregL,
I only saw the last half of the 9th inning last night. There's no way that God would have managed the Rays that way.
There's no reason any manager would have done that. Somebody's been watching McCain in crisis mode and adopted his worst moves.
gregg on October 26, 2008 at 11:11 AM
gregg,
Did he really do that?
I'm waiting to see McCain break down into a temper tantrum. It's the only reason I continue to watch 24/7. I want to see the NASCAR wreck when it happens.
REPRESENTATIVE PETER DEFAZIO: The golden parachutes, yeah, they were exchanged for camouflaged parachutes. The execs on Wall Street are still going to get millions. Look at the loopholes there.
BILL MOYERS: And take note: since the start of Fiscal 2004, the once mighty five of Wall Street - Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch, Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns - lost around $83 billion in stock market value. But they reported employee compensation of around $239 billion.
In other words, the financial engineers who dug this disastrous hole paid themselves almost three dollars for every dollar they lost.
And now this. The cost of all these bailouts to the taxpayer is more than two and half times what we forked over twenty years ago to pay for the Savings & Loan crisis - a whopping $8,750 per household. So while you may have seen your retirement savings or college tuition account destroyed or have been on of the 800,000 who have lost their jobs so far this year, the masters of the universe are doing just fine, thank you. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson is looking out for them.
During his 32 years at Goldman Sachs, where he knew many of the players now floating to earth with taxpayer parachutes, Paulson accumulated $700 million. And now he says he's afraid that if he clamps down too harshly on compensation for his old friends, they might not be enthusiastic about participating in his plan to save our economy. I am not making this up.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/10242008/transcript4.html
God bless Bill Moyers. Truth and justice resonate in reporting even when the odds are heavily stacked toward BS. I think I'm not making this up.
In an interview with Wolf Blitzer, McCain was asked if passing a bill that would allow seniors to opt for allocating 10% of Social Security payments to the stock market was still a good idea, in view of the recent crash. McCain refused to answer, even though repeatedly asked. Just rambled on in the usual way, changing the subject.
Does this mean that if elected, he will push for a bill that dupes seniors into rewarding Wall Street with billions more?????
Say it ain't so!
Dan_A_Cactus** on October 26, 2008 at 01:30 PM
He doesn't even speak Spanish. While Palin speaks in tongues. Get your facts straight.
Are you planning to keep the tax cut Obama wants to give you? I'll take it if you don't need it.
TomN on October 26, 2008 at 01:32 PM
TomN,
So what he's saying there is that Palin would take some of that $700,000 and give it to Alaskans in $1,300 welfare checks and have the investment bankers write it off as a business expense?
Dan_A_Cactus** on October 26, 2008 at 01:37 PM
How about this:
http://cancun-hotels.tripadvisor.com/LocationPhotos-g150807-Cancun_Yucatan_Peninsula.html
I personally can't wait for the wall to come down between Cuba and America. I bet freedom will come a lot faster without this stupid ban on travel and trade.
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OldShaggy on October 26, 2008 at 01:58 PM
So what's your point? The guy is part white and black. I'm part Irish and German. You going to say I'm a Nazi and IRA domestic terrorist?
Sure you would, if you thought someone was stupid enough to believe it. Are you by any chance related to the woman who told McCain that Obama was an Arab?
Go back to selling hot tamales to illegal workers.
OldShaggy on October 26, 2008 at 01:58 PM
Old chipper on the previous thread said he got the same e-mail.
These nut jobs will believe anything that hannity or repubican radio tells them. They have no mind and are the dumbest amoung us. God help us all with such lazy, self loathing people on earth.
So Palin has went A Wall. McCain has no control over who his picked. She thinks she knows more than the McCain handlers do.
Now she is out using the C word.
I guess taxing oil companies and giving the checks to the people is not communism when she does it.
You can't fix stupid!
BILL MOYERS: You call your book THE PREDATOR STATE, what do you mean predator?
JAMES GALBRAITH: What I mean is the people who took over the government were not interested in reducing the government and having a small government, the conservative principle. They were interested in using these great institutions for private benefit, to place them in the control of their friends and to put them to the use of their clients. They wanted to privatize Social Security. They created a Medicare drug benefit in such a way as to create the maximum profit for pharmaceutical companies.
They used trade agreements to extend patent protections for various interests or to promote the expansion of the corporate agriculture's markets in the third world. A whole range of things that were basically political and clientelistic. That's the predator state.
BILL MOYERS: You call it a corporate republic.
JAMES GALBRAITH: It is a corporate republic.
BILL MOYERS: Which means that the purpose of government is to divert funds from the public sector to the private sector?
JAMES GALBRAITH: I think it's very clear. They also turned over the regulatory apparatus to the regulated industries. They turned over the henhouse to the foxes in every single case. And that is the source of the decline in, the abandonment of environmental responsibility, the source of the collapse of consumer protection, and the source of the collapse of the financial system, all trace back to a common root, which is the failure to maintain a public sector that works in the public interest, that provides discipline and standards, a framework within which the private sector can operate and compete. That's been abandoned.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/10242008/transcript4.html
Corporate Republic of America V People's Republic of China, or in cahoots with? Usury and economic slavery in symbiotic permutations that wouldn't be possible during peacetime?
peacetime
Well, there goes St. Louis and St. Charles Counties for the Palin/McCain ticket in Missouri...
Blues goalie Manny Legace trips on the carpet pulled out for Palin
Palin’s Legace: Carpet injures Blues goalie
By Jake Wagman
St. Louis Post-Dispatch
Before his team fell to the Los Angeles King last night, Blues goalkeeper Manny Legace took a fall of his own.
The Note’s netminder tripped on a carpet pulled out on the ice for Republican veep nominee Sarah Palin — who dropped the puck to begin the game — and went to the bench with a strained left hip-flexor.
The goalie told Post-Dispatch beat writer Jeremy Rutherford that the injury isn’t too bad...
Legace is questionable for tonight’s game against Florida. Palin, meanwhile, is set to headline a rally tonight in Fort Wayne, Ind.
This woman is a walking Zamboni nightmare.
The_Evil_Dr*Burd on October 26, 2008 at 02:14 PM
I've heard that a lot of German tourists like to get quality health care treatments in Cuba at a reasonable cost. How did your boob job work?
The_Evil_Dr*Burd on October 26, 2008 at 02:20 PM
Ah, Obama is running for President and it's 2008.
What does South America have to do with anything? You trolls must need a vacation? I hope you liked the slide show I posted because I doubt your passport is still valid...or your voter registration.
Dan_A_Cactus** on October 26, 2008 at 02:25 PM
Lucille Ball had no problem traveling there and neither should any of the Cuba refugees and their relatives who live in Miami. Castro is dying and it's time to lift the sanctions.
Get with the cosmopolitan spirit of the Western Hemisphere.
If you don't like Ricky Ricardo’s music that's your problem. Stick with your CD of polka hits and Nazi chants from the Motherland.
CNN poll of polls: Obama's advantage at nine points nationally
Posted: 04:55 PM ET
From CNN Associate Producer Martina Stewart
(CNN) – Sen. Barack Obama’s is ahead of Sen. John McCain by nine points, according to CNN’s latest national general election poll of polls. Fifty-one percent of likely voters support Obama while 42 percent support McCain. Seven percent of those surveyed are unsure about their choice of president.
Obama was ahead of McCain by eight points – 50 percent compared to 42 percent in CNN’s previous general election poll of polls released Friday afternoon.
CNN latest national poll of polls is composed of the following eight surveys: Newsweek (October 22-23), ABC/Washington Post (October 19-22), CBS/NYT (October 19-22), Fox/Opinion Dynamics (October 20-21), Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby (October 22-24), Gallup (October 22-24), Diageo/Hotline (October 22-24), and IBD/TIPP (October 19-23).
The poll of polls does not have a sampling error.
Filed under: Barack Obama • CNN Poll of polls • John McCain
So Palin has went A Wall. McCain has no control over who he has picked. She thinks she knows more than the McCain handlers do.
Now she is out using the C word.
I guess taxing oil companies and giving the checks to the people is not communism when she does it.
You can't fix stupid!
The_Evil_Dr*Burd on October 26, 2008 at 02:30 PM
I like to think of him as a black John F. Kennedy with a smidgen of Lincoln and Eisenhower thrown into the mix.
Just a bit of common sense here, the undecided voters, if they show up to vote, will see the long lines and keep on driving.
If they don't feel strongly now for one side or the other, they are not going to wait an hour in line to vote.
Just a little reality for the moron trolls, it's called thinking. You should try it some time.
Here's Another One I LOVE. I think I will go send him another Donation!
The latest poll of Minnesota voters shows Republican Senator Norm Coleman, up for re-election in 2008, with 49 per cent, and Democratic challenger Al Franken at 42--a seven-point spread. Four months ago, Coleman was ahead by 22. The reason for Coleman's shocking collapse in the polls? He's been supporting Bush on the war.
PamB on August 6, 2007 at 08:08
Better break out those overdrawn credit cards and FIRE off a few more bucks his way Pammy !
Even better, perhaps you should send more of George's disability money to Clown Mouth Al Franken. The notoriously liberal fishwrap The Minneapolis Start-Tribune has endorsed Republican incumbent Senator Norm Coleman in his bid for re-election:
Editorial: Norm Coleman for SenateCount this newspaper among the Minnesota voices that long for a lessening of partisan polarization and a return to constructive problem-solving in Washington. If demonization of the partisan opposition continues to be the political coin of this realm, effectiveness of American democracy will be diminished.
Independent judgment, exercised on behalf of the best interests of the country and state, is what we hope to see from our U.S. senators. With that hope in mind, this newspaper recommends the reelection of Republican U.S. Sen. Norm Coleman.
The more independent, pragmatic Coleman emerged when he helped speed money to Minneapolis for a new Interstate 35W bridge; when he promoted tax credits for renewable energy investment; when he pushed for larger Pell Grants for needy college students; when he stood up to President Bush on extending publicly subsidized health insurance, including MinnesotaCare, to more poor children and their parents.
He showed good judgment most recently when, despite a tide of constituent opposition, he voted to authorize spending $700 billion to inject capital into banks and thaw a credit freeze. He rightly judged that quick action was needed to avert serious damage to the nation's economy.
Coleman didn't begin his Senate service as an agent of bipartisanship. But that's the note on which he wound up his six-year term and which he has sounded repeatedly in his reelection campaign. We like the trend we've seen and believe Coleman is capable of taking it further.
Bidding process for Palin's pipeline was flawed
AP investigation shows terms benefited the winner: TransCanada Corp.
Sat., Oct. 25, 2008
ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Gov. Sarah Palin's signature accomplishment — a contract to build a 1,715-mile pipeline to bring natural gas from Alaska to the Lower 48 — emerged from a flawed bidding process that narrowed the field to a company with ties to her administration, an Associated Press investigation shows...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27374946/
So the lovely and talented Sarah is no stranger to no-bid contracts for her friends? Can anyone say another four years of Cheney/Bush?
Just a bit of common sense here, the undecided voters, if they show up to vote, will see the long lines and keep on driving.
If they don't feel strongly now for one side or the other, they are not going to wait an hour in line to vote.
Just a little reality for the moron trolls, it's called thinking. You should try it some time.
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OldShaggy on October 26, 2008 at 01:58 PM
Snopes says NOPE Send that email back with the link attached.
Hemmingway had alot of fun there, but that was before they went commy.....
And so did Jimmy Buffet have fun in Key West before it went tres chic commercial.
You trolls really need to paddle your canoe someplace warm. This pre-occupation with Southern climes is a call for help...or a plausible explanation of global warming.
Indulge yourself...and leave your laptops at home for a few weeks. We won't miss you after Obama wins. It might actually save your sanity...and your summer tans.
bbl.
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Sally-* on October 26, 2008 at 02:50 PM
Hey dumb, dumb, it's the big city turn out that will kick rural america's ass.
Hey dumb, dumb, it's the big city turn out that will kick rural america's ass.
newsjunkie
Just imagine how well the small corner liquor stores and tobacco stores will do on election day with all the pints of cheap booze and packs of cigarettes Acorn will be handing out to the bums.
Get outta the curb and get out the vote!!!
PHILADELPHIA (AP) - A federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit challenging Barack Obama's qualifications to be president. U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick on Friday night rejected the suit by attorney Philip J. Berg, who alleged that Obama was not a U.S. citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency. Berg claimed that Obama is either a citizen of his father's native Kenya or became a citizen of Indonesia after he moved there as a boy.Obama was born in Hawaii to an American mother and a Kenyan father. His parents divorced and his mother married an Indonesian man.
Internet-fueled conspiracy theories question whether Obama is a "natural-born citizen" as required by the Constitution for a presidential candidate and whether he lost his citizenship while living abroad.
Surrick ruled that Berg lacked standing to bring the case, saying any harm from an allegedly ineligible candidate was "too vague and its effects too attenuated to confer standing on any and all voters."
Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D941NCJG0&show_article=1
Now that's settled it's time to move on to putting this country back together. Whomever from the GOP that paid Mr. Berg to file this meritless suit should ask for their money back.
it's the big city turn out that will kick rural america's ass.
293newsjunkie on October 26, 2008 at 02:57 PM
It was the rural americans that is Gov. Strickland's secret weapon.
Folks in small villages and in townships, consider election day a community event. Most polling places are located near churches and community centers that hold election day dinners and bake sales.
One of the smallest counties in my state, Noble, usually has the highest voter turnout, sometimes getting to 90+ %.
You city slickers better get used to standing in lines...no patience. I see this in how people drive in the city vs. the country. And when I shop in a big city vs. local.
Taking fits about a long line to vote, when people will stand in line/crowds to go to a sporting event makes no common sense to me.
How's this for a defining moment....
Today in Albuquerque: Obama Draws 45,000+; McCain
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/26/04442/730/314/642440
Someone's campaign is surging and someone's campaign has bottomed out in New Mexico. Take a look at the Ross Perot graphics.
"It’s like Robin getting mad at Batman," he says of McCain's recent efforts to distance himself from Bush.
just for kicks, a few times I have googled S* headlines and find they are found at rightwing blogs.
gee, who would have thunk it?
Taking fits about a long line to vote, when people will stand in line/crowds to go to a sporting event makes no common sense to me.
Esmeralda
Perhaps it is because you have always backed losing teams. Then you low opinion of standing in long lines would make sense.
I imagine many common things in life confuse you.
Sally-* on October 26, 2008 at 03:20 PM
Still spreading lies, Sally? Well, what did you expect from a Republican...
On IsraelEnsure a Strong U.S.-Israel Partnership: Barack Obama and Joe Biden strongly support the U.S.-Israel relationship, believe that our first and incontrovertible commitment in the Middle East must be to the security of Israel, America's strongest ally in the Middle East. They support this closeness, stating that that the United States would never distance itself from Israel.
Support Israel's Right to Self Defense: During the July 2006 Lebanon war, Barack Obama stood up strongly for Israel's right to defend itself from Hezbollah raids and rocket attacks, cosponsoring a Senate resolution against Iran and Syria's involvement in the war, and insisting that Israel should not be pressured into a ceasefire that did not deal with the threat of Hezbollah missiles. He and Joe Biden believe strongly in Israel's right to protect its citizens.
Support Foreign Assistance to Israel: Barack Obama and Joe Biden have consistently supported foreign assistance to Israel. They defend and support the annual foreign aid package that involves both military and economic assistance to Israel and have advocated increased foreign aid budgets to ensure that these funding priorities are met. They have called for continuing U.S. cooperation with Israel in the development of missile defense systems.
http://origin.barackobama.com/pdf/IsraelFactSheet.pdf
I am a strong supporter of Israel and its right to self-defense from the hordes who would eradicate Israel merely because it is a Jewish state. I would not support Sen. Obama (D-IL) if the lie posted by this troll were true. Click on the link above and learn the truth about U.S. - Israel relations under an Obama\Biden administration. Learn the truth now before sixty-two million of you make the same mistake you did in 2004 by voting for a Republican.
gazoo, you make no sense, common or otherwise.
you are not funny, you are unable to reason, you are argumentive.
what a sad, miserable life you live.
In Defense of White Americans
By FRANK RICH
Op-Ed Columnist
Published: October 25, 200
...There are at least two larger national lessons to be learned from what is likely to be the last gasp of Allen-McCain-Palin politics in 2008.
The first, and easy one, is that Republican leaders have no idea what “real America” is. In the eight years since the first Bush-Cheney convention pledged inclusiveness and showcased Colin Powell as its opening-night speaker, the G.O.P. has terminally alienated black Americans (Powell himself now included), immigrant Americans (including the Hispanics who once gave Bush-Cheney as much as 44 percent of their votes) and the extended families of gay Americans (Palin has now revived a constitutional crusade against same-sex marriage). Subtract all those players from the actual America, and you don’t have enough of a bench to field a junior varsity volleyball team, let alone a serious campaign for the Electoral College.
But the other, less noticed lesson of the year has to do with the white people the McCain campaign has been pandering to.
As we saw first in the Democratic primary results and see now in the widespread revulsion at the McCain-Palin tactics, white Americans are not remotely the bigots the G.O.P. would have us believe. Just because a campaign trades in racism doesn’t mean that the country is racist. It’s past time to come to the unfairly maligned white America’s defense.
That includes acknowledging that the so-called liberal media, among their other failures this year, have helped ratchet up this election cycle’s prevailing antiwhite bias.
Ever since Obama declared his candidacy, the press’s default setting has been to ominously intone that “in the privacy of the voting booth” ignorant, backward whites will never vote for a black man...
Well, there are racists in western Pennsylvania, as there are in most pockets of our country. But despite the months-long drumbeat of punditry to the contrary, there are not and have never been enough racists in 2008 to flip this election. In the latest New York Times/CBS News and Pew national polls, Obama is now pulling even with McCain among white men, a feat accomplished by no Democratic presidential candidate in three decades, Bill Clinton included. The latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News survey finds age doing more damage to McCain than race to Obama...
Such human nuances are lost on conservative warriors of the Allen-McCain-Palin ilk. They see all Americans as only white or black, as either us or them. The dirty little secret of such divisive politicians has always been that their rage toward the Others is exceeded only by their cynical conviction that Real Americans are a benighted bunch of easily manipulated bigots. This seems to be the election year when voters in most of our myriad Americas are figuring that out.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/26/opinion/26rich.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Sorry for the long post. But I think our trolls need to know where they went wrong this year...before they paddle on down to South America to visit their German relatives.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/25/MNCV13INNO.DTL&type=printable
Obama's family in Kenya weary, wary of media
this is for the trools who are concerned about the brother:
HelpObamasBrother.org
while you are at it, I make more money than one of my brothers, will you send him some cash too?
Hello fine Democrats.
Especially Esmeralda, SandyH and BobVADem,
There is a new open thread.
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Esmeralda on October 26, 2008 at 03:23 PM
I believe you missed the point. The undecided voters will not stand in long lines in the city if they don't have strong feelings for either candidate at this point in the game.
while you are at it, I make more money than one of my brothers, will you send him some cash too?
Esmeralda
This would be your responsibility.
The One really should slide a bit of cash over to his brother so he can buy a pair of shoes and a flea collar.
OH,
Look who's here... it's Dufus Dan.
Did you do any homework and find out what McLame's tax policies are? Or did you just figure you would log back in and we would all forget how you tucked tail and ran last time?
just for kicks, a few times I have googled Esmeralda's headlines and find they are found at leftwing/devilworshiper blogs.
gee, who would have thunk it?
306Sally-* on October 26, 2008 at 03:42 PM
no they are not! I post the link I get them from. News sources, not blogs, not left or right opinion sources.
what about the bible verses I get from biblegate.com or verse of the day? you are saying that the word of God is devil worship. You blaspheme God and His Holy Spirit!
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/22/bts.obama.brother/ is the link where you can read about Sen. Obama's half-brother. Of note...
Unlike his grandmother in Kogela, in Western Kenya, George Obama had received little attention from the media.But reports surfaced in the past few days, springing from an Italian Vanity Fair article saying George Obama is living in a shack and "earning less than a dollar a day."
The reports left him angry.
"I was brought up well. I live well even now," he said. "The magazines, they have exaggerated everything.
"I think I kind of like it here. There are some challenges, but maybe it is just like where you come from, there are the same challenges," Obama said.
Obama, who is in his mid-20s, is learning to become a mechanic and is active in youth groups in Huruma. He said he tries to help the community as much as he can.
At least one of his neighbors feels that perhaps the candidate should help the brother.
"I would like Obama to visit his brother to see how he is living, to improve his way of life," said Emelda Negei, who runs a small dispensary near Obama's house.
But George Obama will have none of it. He draws inspiration from his famous half-brother. He acknowledges that he is biased but said he knows that his half-brother will be the next president."Because he wants to be [president]," he said. "I think in life, what you want is what you are supposed to get."
TheGreatGazoo on October 26, 2008 at 03:55 PM
Maybe McLame should share of his anger management sessions with his brother Joe McLAme. And maybe he should explain to him what "communism" means and what the 911 call centers are for (they are not to report traffic problems)
After Joe the Plumber, Joe the Hothead?
http://news.aol.com/article/mccains-brother-apologizes-for-calling/225456?cid=12
what the 911 call centers are for (they are not to report traffic problems)
Chicago
At least McCain's brother knows how to use a phone. Plus he has one to use. Maybe if Obama "spread" his wealth around with his brother than the poor guy wouldn't have to beat on a hollow log to get a dial tone.
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