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just saw sarah and joe respond to couric's questions on roe and the supreme court. wow was the quality of their answers different....wow.
Explain to me, somebody, please, if this bill that the Senate is trying to pass is so imperfect, rather than pleading for its passage, why not improve it? They say it is vital to the country's well-being. Surely there is time to make those amendments that would allow for those of good conscience to agree to it?
Is it just the Rovian side of my brain, but where is McCain? I've watched cspan through all the discussion on the bail out bill. Hillary and Barack spoke, but no McCain. Is he planning to flip again and vote NAY?
i dunno do you think we are beginning to see a trend or sumptin??
"(CBS) Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama leads GOP rival John McCain 49 percent to 40 percent among registered voters in a new CBS News poll. The nine-point spread marks an increase of four percentage points in Obama's lead from a CBS News/New York Times survey taken last week. Obama also leads by nine points among likely voters, 50 percent to 41 percent."
and from our comrades at realclearpolitics a nice round up of today's poll numbers:
Florida InAdv/PollPosition Obama 49, McCain 46 Obama +3
Nevada InAdv/PollPosition McCain 47, Obama 48 Obama +1
Mississippi Rasmussen McCain 52, Obama 44 McCain +8
Texas Rasmussen McCain 52, Obama 43 McCain +9
Tennessee Rasmussen McCain 58, Obama 39 McCain +19
National Gallup Tracking Obama 48, McCain 44 Obama +4
National Rasmussen Tracking Obama 51, McCain 45 Obama +6
National Hotline/FD Tracking Obama 47, McCain 42 Obama +5
Ohio SurveyUSA Ob
ama 48, McCain 49 McCain +1
Florida CNN/Time Obama 51, McCain 47 Obama +4
National Democracy Corps (D) Obama 49, McCain 45, Nader 2, Barr 1 Obama +4
Virginia CNN/Time Obama 53, McCain 44 Obama +9
Minnesota CNN/Time Obama 54, McCain 43 Obama +11
Missouri CNN/Time McCain 48, Obama 49 Obama +1
Nevada CNN/Time McCain 47, Obama 51 Obama +4
Indiana SurveyUSA McCain 48, Obama 45 McCain +3
Oklahoma SurveyUSA McCain 64, Obama 34 McCain +30
National CBS News Obama 50, McCain 41 Obama +9
National Pew Research Obama 49, McCain 43 Obama +6
National Associated Press/GfK Obama 48, McCain 41 Obama +7
Pennsylvania Quinnipiac Obama 54, McCain 39 Obama +15
Ohio Quinnipiac Obama 50, McCain 42 Obama +8
Florida Suffolk/WSVN Obama 46, McCain 42 Obama +4
Florida Quinnipiac Obama 51, McCain 43 Obama +8
National Associated Press-GfK Obama 48, McCain 41, Nader 2, Barr 1 Obama +7
New Jersey SurveyUSA Obama 52, McCain 42 Obama +10
National Ipsos/McClatchy Obama 48, McCain 45 Obama +3
National Time Obama 50, McCain 43 Obama +7
Pennsylvania Morning Call Tracking Obama 48, McCain 41 Obama +7
National GW/Battleground Tracking Obama 48, McCain 46 Obama +2
Pennsylvania Franklin & Marshall Obama 45, McCain 38 Obama +7
Wisconsin Strategic Vision (R) Obama 49, McCain 40 Obama +9
Tylin: I'm with you - what's the rush? The dow - despite all of the dire forcasts gained back a large percentage of it's loss and it held steady today. The politicians have acted like the world will come to an end if we do not hand over 700 Billion within the next few minutes. Why hand that much money, with few if any safeguards and no guarantee that it will work, to the very people who got us into this mess to begin with!
Regulation and help for individual homeowners first - then we look at the stability of banks.
the problem is in the credit markets. they are freezing up. if this goes on without intervention a lot of people will lose their jobs.
Of course if Obama is not ahead by 10 points in any given state, he will lose that state because of the Bradley effect.
If the Democrats wanted to elect a flaming asshat communist they probabley shouldn't have chosen a Negro.
Gregg: I love the way that you post the polls - even if I am totally embarrassed by the Tennessee poll! Thank you for doing that for all of us.
Does anyone else think that both sides of the aisle need to take responsibility for the mess we're in on Wall Street? I mean I have read up a lot about what was being done with lending people money for homes when in reality they should not have been considering home ownership, especially in a hyper inflated market. That had disaster written all over it.
133Johne on October 1, 2008 at 06:53 PM
Hiya, Johne. yep, lots of lawsuits here. ;P
We're doing so much on the state level to make sure that the counties are prepared and that our election is a sucess.
This morning, I had the opportunity to be in on a telephone conference with the major political parties concerning election day activities. I was almost numb realizing just what I was a part of.
Does anyone else think that both sides of the aisle need to take responsibility for the mess we're in on Wall Street? I mean I have read up a lot about what was being done with lending people money for homes when in reality they should not have been considering home ownership, especially in a hyper inflated market. That had disaster written all over it.
Posted by ezworld on October 1, 2008 at 08:29 PM
It is not a problem from both sides of the aisle. It is a Democrat created problem.
Esme:
Nice to see you this evening. How are things in the great state of Ohio? I hope that you are well.
EZ World: Welcome - I don't think that I have seen you here before. In my opinion, when it comes to de-regulation, both sides of the aisle are to blame; however, when it comes to supply-side economics (Reganomics/Trickle down/Etc) and tax codes lopsided to transfer wealth from the middle class upward into the hands of a few elite rich, the Republicans are almost exclusively to blame.
Hi Dusty. I hope that you are well.
Gregg: If you find the site for the senate vote, please post. I'm looking for it too.
g'evening, marymac. nice cool evening here tonight. should be great sleeping.
Ohio started early voting yesterday and the voter registration deadline is Oct. 6th. We've forwarded over 40,000 voter registration to the county boards in the last 3 weeks. some new, some dups, some name and address changes.
Don't fall for that racist crapola that the mortgage meltdown in due to banks being forced to open up credit to inner city neighborhoods. (It was called "red lining" in the 1960's.)
The GAO numbers show that those inner city loans are more likely to be met than those of high end properties bought by white Yuppies in the suburbs who were planning to "flip" them at a profit, or who bought inner city properties with the hope of renting them out as investment income assets; with all the tax breaks they could get.
The Yuppies mortgaged themselves to the hilt, and THEY caused the property devaluation, and the ensuing collapse of the mortgage industry.
NOT "The Blacks" or any other minority.
Check out the numbers.
Matthew 5:11-12
Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Peaceful rest, everyone.
hi p-rick!
just think, if the she-beast voted, it would have said, ay.
take off to the great white north.
have a good one.
I just saw an update that the senate passed the bailout bill 74-25. Obviously one person did not vote. Does anyone know who that was?
The Senate site doesn't have the vote tally posted yet, but here it is from Daily Kos:
WOW!!!
Congratulations, Chimpy!!!
Whatever happened to Clinton's surplus that was paying down the National Debt?
$10 TRILLION DOLLARS!!! A NEW RECORD!!!
(And that doesn't even include his little 2 Trillion Buck wet dream in Iraq.)
National Debt Exceeds $10 Trillion
As of Sept 30th, the debt was $10,024,724,896,912.49.
That last forty-nine cents was outrageous! Harrumph!
we should raise taxes on the million and billionarie to 45 percent to pay for this debt to get chimpy and darth cheny money they stole from the workers
Senate Roll Call is up.
Note: On 10/1/2008, the Senate plans to use H.R.1424 as the vehicle for the economic rescue legislation. See Senate Majority and Minority notices and documents from the Senate Finance Committee and the Senate Banking Committee. On the Banking Committee website, Division A (pp.2-113) of the draft legislation is referred to as the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008; Division B (pp. 113-261) is referred to as the Energy Improvement and Extension Act of 2008; and Division C (pp. 261-451) is referred to as the Tax Extenders and Alternative Minimum Tax Relief Act of 2008.
Okay, too much game playing to try to post here... still? WTgdF??
I just saw an update that the senate passed the bailout bill 74-25. Obviously one person did not vote. Does anyone know who that was?
Posted by marymac_memphis on October 1, 2008 at 09:23 PM
Kennedy couldn't even get up off of his death bed to cast a vote. And after everything this country has done for him.
What a petulant little whiny ass baby!
So Obama crossed over into enemy territory.He walked over to where McCain was chatting with Republican Sen. Mel Martinez of Florida and Independent Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut. And he stretched out his arm and offered his hand to McCain.
McCain shook it, but with a “go away” look that no one could miss. He tried his best not to even look at Obama.
Finally, with a tight smile, McCain managed a greeting: “Good to see you.”
{{Doo-Bee}}, Darlin'! Yes, it does, big time.
I've got more details at NBF, if ya want 'em. {{Smooooooch}}
I finaly got my Obama yard sign today. It is proudly on display.
Obama/Biden 2008
Help is on the way.
44Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on October 1, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Obama is a man, McCain is a child.
McLame is arrogant, elitist, and senile.
Three stikes, your out.
You can dress the blog up, but it's still like putting lipstick...
Ummm...
Oh, okay... youse IT guys are so funny. Now get back to work and fix this blog. It's ONLY been screwed up since the last week of fricken May. For pity sakes!
Goodnight, {{good Dems}}.
Here is more on the fundamentalist evangelical pricks of the clarion fund trying to steal the election for the RNC. The DVD is being delivered to swimg states only. Why isn't rove in jail?
Why am I the only just awestruck by palins flute performance in the Miss Alaska Contest. This woman has been flying by the seat of her pants her whole life. Olberman needs to give her the Biggest Bullshitter in the World Award. Truely, it bogels the mind how she has gotten as far as she has. I wouldn't have bought a used car from someone with that type of run-on speal. If you have missed it, here it is V
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/01/sarah-palins-beauty-pagea_n_130901.html
And to think, all we got from quail was the pota toe.
Posted by Johne on October 1, 2008 at 10:57 PM
I believe I said that safe sales would go up, and guess what, they have. Expect gun sales to go up to. Johne, more people are concerned about their next meal at this point. Rove's old tricks only work on the people that are already voting for McCain, for that very reason. They are afraid of Muslims, and I am afraid of McCain voters.
They announced on CNN radio news today that Iraq is spending some of their $70 billion.
No they aren't paying us back. They are spending it on a 600 foot high ferris wheel with air conditioned cars. It will be located in the center of Baghdad.
Johne, they also put it in the New York Times home delivery papers in the rural Upstate areas, among other targeted audiences.
They are a shipping out 28 million of them in 70 media markets, and the papers are happy to grab the revenue.
Pro-McCain Group Dumping 28 Million Terror Scare DVDs in Swing States
Baghdad power only part of each day and other utilities are spotty, but they have money to build their damn ferris wheel.
I predict that this will be a prized target for "insurgents' to blow up.
Posted by newsjunkie on October 1, 2008 at 10:58 PM
C'mon, as bad a candidate that she is, playing the flute takes all sorts of simultaneous coordination and discipline, including breathing control. Anybody who learns to play a musical instrument (even badly, as evidenced by her, but it took guts to do it in an auditorium...) deserves a little 'Way to go!".
Even Tony Snow, who I disagreed with on every point impressed me when I saw a few videos of him in a Jazz band playing Jazz Flute.
The guy was damn good, and even worked the set into a little "Bouree" (Tull fans will get the ref.)
He even did a duet with Ian Anderson.
Let's rip her on her current inabilities, not her lack of Mastery of what feeble ability she once had.
sally still working that bradley effect...the last hope of the racist is of course racism....quite fitting.
and boy is sarah a babe!!! hahahahahahaha......
Sarah looked good in the swimsuit competition and in playing the flute.
Can anyone imagine Hillary or Mrs Obama doing a swimsuit competition? Yikes!1 Gag me with a spoon!
Method Obama McCain
Latest Poll Per State 308 194
Poll of Polls 273 265
Survey USA 272 266
Rasmussen Reports 292 219
Quinnipiac 260 137
CNN 254 172
ARG 287 251
Insider Advantage 173 192
Research 2000 188 183
Strategic Vision 211 175
Public Policy Polling 219 144
Mason Dixon 190 126
Zogby 271 240
National Average 46.2% 43.3%
I'll leave the "skin / flute" jokes to the juvenile trolls, TYVM.
You all believe your own B.S. so much that you are thinking Sarah will be a pushover at the debate. Biden is the more likely one to say something stupid or look like an idiot.
No, Sally. YOU "own" BS. It's your coin of the realm.
Sally-* you might be right about the debate, Biden is in way over his head.
From what you consistantly post, it appears your level of intelligence is more suited to the debate than Joe Biden. It would be much fairer, more even, if you were the one debating Palin. That would be a u-tube debate for the ages!
To make it easier on the both of you, Cactus Jack should be the one asking the questions.
Factoring the Bradley effect into the state polls, Hussein Obama can only come up with 172 electoral votes.
Rachel Maddow is certainly a homely woman.
Maybe that is what lesbos like though.
John mccain just announced an energy saving measure. He is asking us to turn off our tv's between 9PM and 1030PM tomorrow night.
After all of your ridicule and minimizing of Sarah, Joe Biden is going to look like one silly mofo when he gets destroyed in the debate by Sarah.
Of course, Joe Biden is one silly mofo.
Biden just has to stand there and he wiil look good.
The beauty queen will make an ass of herself without anyone's help.
60Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on October 1, 2008 at 11:19 PM
I'm going to rip her the way she tried to rip obama at the convention. I'll say it again, when she goes back to alaska, I never want to hear her name or see her face in the lower 48 again.
She's been flying by the seat of her pants her whole life, puffing up her abilities for which she has none. She is dangerous in more ways than one.
Yes, Rachel Maddow. The Rhodes Scholar and multiple award winning PhD. expert in several complicated disciplines is judged on her looks.
BUT! Did she take the Minnesota Mensa on-line open book test for $18.00???
I doubt it.
another amazing day for the republicans. god they are soooooo unbeatable.....hahahahahaha
Posted by newsjunkie on October 2, 2008 at 12:06 AM
That speech she gave at the Convention was written for Romney 2 weeks before McLame-o named her to the VP slot.
I guess she took Ray-Guns "There is a BEAR in the woods" commercial as a documentary, and Johnny was chugging Cindy's Vicodin because he thought they were Tums when he decided to pick her.
But hey, she CAN shoot a bear. From a helicopter.
sally should check out how sarah looked when she and biden were asked the same questionsby couric while they were in different locations. this is pretty much what tomorrow's format is like if i understand things....there is no interplay between them, we just get to see which gives the best, most informed, interesting answers. so go check out how palin does in comparison to biden on the questions about roe and the questions about other supreme court decisions...it is quite illuminating. my prediction is that this won't be any big deal, biden will come off as having much more information at his fingertips, palin will try to maximize her "charming personality" which is already dropped her favorable/unfavorable rating by 27 points in less than a month and all in all everyone will pretty much forget what happened by saturday...at which point the house may have killed the bailout and everyone will be in a state of terror about the economy....but hey what do i know?
I love how every single question Katie Couric asks palin is a "gotcha" question. Like what magazines do you read? What Supreme Court cases other than Roe v Wade do you know of? Why did you use your baby as a prop to cover your daughters pregnancy at the rally to announce your candidency? Now that's a "gotcha" question.
Questions are only gotcha questions when the person being asked doesn't know or have an answer.
gregg, the McPalin campaign had the rules changed so that Suzy Creamcheese only has 90 seconds to answer a question.
Any bets on how much of that time is spent on blather like "Well that's a real important question to me because I am a hockey mom with a new born baby and I know the difficulties real American families face in these trying times, so I thank you for bringing up this important issue at this time so all Americans can address this complicated situation...What? Time's up? Well, O.K., then"
She's just going to run out the clock.
What the bill contained:
Details of Senate plan reveal it's not just for Wall Street
By Kevin G. Hall, McClatchy Newspapers
Wed Oct 1, 6:00 PM ET
WASHINGTON — The Senate version of a $700 billion plan designed to rescue the
ailing financial sector from potential collapse is virtually identical to large
parts of the legislation rejected Monday in the House of Representatives .
However, the Senate measure, called the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of
2008, adds unrelated tax-cut legislation. That may — or may not _bring more
House votes if and when it's re-introduced in the lower chamber. It also may
alienate fiscal conservatives who oppose tax breaks that expand federal deficits.
In the financial rescue section, the Senate bill would:
— Provide the government an equity stake, through non-voting or preferred stock,
in companies that are unloading bad assets. If these companies go bankrupt,
these warrants convert to a type of debt that places the government at the head
of the list of creditors in any bankruptcy proceeding.
— Give the Treasury secretary broad discretion to buy virtually any distressed
asset in an effort to get it off the books of a troubled bank or financial firm
and help unclog the credit markets. This is called the Troubled Assets Relief
Program, or TARP.
— Provide $250 billion immediately to purchase mortgage-backed securities and
other troubled assets, another $100 billion with the president's authorization
and the remaining $350 billion would be subject to separate congressional
approval.
— Give the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. the ability to borrow without limit
from the Treasury to help stabilize banks it regulates, both large and small.
This isn't in the House legislation.
— Allow the FDIC to raise deposit insurance to $250,000 from the current $100,000
. Affects the sum of deposits, not each account, in a depositor's name at any
given bank. This too isn't in the House legislation.
— Require the comptroller general to monitor and evaluate TARP's performance,
especially whether it is helping to prevent foreclosures, providing stability in
financial markets and protecting taxpayers. The Government Accountability Office
will have authority to order corrections in the TARP effort.
— Order the comptroller general, the nation's chief auditor, to report back to
Congress by June 2009 on whether the government should curtail the ability of
banks and others invest with borrowed money. Investment banks borrowed $30 to $40
against every $1 of their own capital they invested, helping create today's
global financial crisis.
— Limit courts from issuing restraining orders or injunctions against the
Treasury secretary unless alleging a constitutional violation. In those cases,
injunctions would have to be handled on an expedited basis by federal courts.
Significantly, there is no limited liability expressed that would necessarily
protect the federal government from lawsuits by investors when the government
purchases distressed assets.
— Create a special inspector general for the TARP program, to supervise and
audit the purchase of distressed mortgages and other bad assets.
— Raise the nation's debt ceiling to $11.3 trillion .
— Hold hearings on the effectiveness of the program and issue a special report
on proposed regulatory reform.
— Reaffirm that the Securities and Exchange Commission has the authority to
suspend an accounting rule that some critics think has exaggerated the deflated
prices of the toxic mortgage bonds at the heart of the financial crisis. The
practice, called mark-to-market reporting, requires banks and other financial
firms to report the present-day value of distressed assets that have a hold-to-maturity
value. This also is called fair-value reporting, and it was implemented after
the Enron scandal to discourage reporting of inflated prices.
— Limit the tax write-offs for executive compensation above $500,000 for
companies that sell distressed assets to the government.
— Prohibit "golden parachutes" for executives of firms that are selling assets
directly to the government. If the government purchases from a firm, via auction,
$300 million or more in troubled assets, similar limits on bonuses and other
executive compensation would apply.
The Senate bill also would:
— Make permanent authority for undercover operations.
— Make permanent authority for disclosure of information relating to terrorist
activities.
Separate from the original House legislation, the Senate bill contains an energy
section, called the Energy Improvement and Extension Act of 2008. It would:
— Extend the renewable energy tax credit for wind and refined coal facilities,
and expands use of biomass.
— Extend tax credits for marine and hydrokinetic research, which involves energy
created from waves and tides, as well as solar and fuel-cell research.
— Allow energy credits to be counted against the alternative minimum tax.
— Give steelmakers tax credits for purchase of renewable fuels.
— Let utilities issue tax-free bonds to promote use of clear, renewable fuels.
— Expand tax credits for investment in coal gasification programs.
— Extend by four years a temporary increase in the coal excise tax to fund black-lung
disability programs for miners.
— Provide tax credits for carbon sequestration efforts.
— Allow producers of cellulosic bio-fuels to seek accelerated tax depreciation.
— Double the tax credit for production of bio-diesel and renewable diesel fuels.
— Extend a tax credit of $2,500 to plug-in electric hybrid vehicles.
— Allow fringe benefit reimbursement for qualified bicycle commuters.
— Broaden the scope for issuance of conservation bonds.
— Extend current deductions for energy efficient commercial buildings and homes.
— Provide small tax credits for purchase of energy efficient dishwashers,
washing machines and refrigerators.
— Accelerate tax deductions for use of smart meters that help a consumer
regulate energy use to reduce peak-hour consumption.
— Reduce by 3 percent the tax deductions on income enjoyed by producers,
refiners, transporters and distributors of oil and natural gas.
— Eliminate the difference in tax treatment of foreign oil and natural gas
production and foreign oil-related income.
— Extend and increase by 3 cents a barrel the oil spill liability tax.
In a section on the tax code, the Senate bill also would:
— Raise the exemption level of the alternative minimum tax from the current $66,250
/ $44,350 for joint or single filers to $69,950 / $46,200 .
— Extend tuition deductions.
— Extend certain deductions for elementary and secondary school teachers.
— Extend an additional standard deduction on real property taxes for non-itemizers.
— Continue tax-free distribution from retirement plans to charities.
— Extend and modify the research tax credit.
— Extend restaurant improvement credits.
— Extend the tax credit for mine-rescue team training.
— Extend the tax credit for advanced mine safety equipment.
— Accelerate depreciation of business property on Indian reservations.
— Extend cost recovery period for motor racing tracks.
— Extend work opportunity tax credit for Hurricane Katrina employees.
— Extend increased rehabilitation credit for structures in Gulf of Mexico
opportunity zone.
— Extend tax credit for investment in the District of Colombia .
— Increase tax deduction for charitable contributions to food inventory.
— Increase tax deduction for charitable book giving.
— Raise to $8,500 the income threshold for calculating the refundable portion of
a child tax credit.
— Exempt from excise tax certain wooden arrow shafts for use by children.
— Clarify income averaging for settlement amounts received in connection with
Exxon Valdez litigation.
— Provide temporary tax relief for areas damaged by Midwestern storms, tornadoes
and flooding and by Hurricane Ike.
The legislation also includes a section on creating parity for the insurance
treatment of mental health problems. It ends with sections on state and local
government and how these governments secure funds for federal lands within their
boundaries.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the Pugs know more about the financial meltdown than they are letting on, and McLame KNOWS he's toast anyway, so the "October Surprise" will be McLame withdrawing his candidacy due to medical reasons too late for anyone else to jump in.
That way Mitt can run with Jeb in 4 years.
Remember when Clinton, on his 3rd day or so had to come out and tell the American people that ALL the books were cooked ALL the way through the Ray-Gun and Poppy years? He still fixed their mess, but it took a year or 2 longer than planned.
Same shit, different Century.
Really, 90 seconds can seem like a lifetime when you are fudging. I will guess she will refer to being a mayor and a govenor and her experience 10 times. I wonder how many times she will say, ruffle some feathers, reform, good ole boys, maybe they have cured her of those since she has already worn them out in the 3 interviews she gave. It's going to be new, new energy, new face on the scene, future, future, future.
your probably right dpd about the palin strategy for tomorrow night. problem is running out the clock doesn't do much for the ticket....tough shit i guess for them huh?
good night, see you tomorrow.
It won't be necessary for McSame to withdraw his candidacy because he's sure to lose anyway.
G'Nite, gregg & tylin.
GREAT sleeping weather here. Open the windows about 2 inches and hunker down under the covers. 50 degrees. Excellent.
Posted by tylinCA on October 2, 2008 at 12:30 AM
Good Grief, I had no idea. It appears to me at first glance that the dems got a lot of things they wanted in there. What did the repubs get, oh yeah, we saved their ass. It's true they raped the country. Everything has been cooked, every agency, every jobs report, every military contract, everything.
The most important thing is that the Dems put in that "Mental Health Parity" provision. This will force the insurance companies to pay for PTSD and other mental issues.
Maybe they can cure Pugitis?
I doubt it. That is genetic.
Governor Dean was right in 2004, and the party leaders should have heeded his words.
Amen.
Howard Dean was right in 2004, and the words should have been heeded.
How true.
Well don't do it again.
Well don't do it again.
obama will get 302 electoral votes.
to macain 188
because of the bush effect
waaaaaa!waaaaaaaaaa!wwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Posted by chassie on October 1, 2008 at 07:08 PM
have you tried writing Dear Abby?
I'll leave the "skin / flute" jokes to the juvenile trolls, TYVM.
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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on October 1, 2008 at 11:36 PM
We know you get your "skin flute" jokes when you go a midnight wandering down to the YMCA.
dusty2006 on October 1, 2008 at 09:44 PM
Hey dUHstY, got any new faggot jokes?
QOUTE
"God, Guts, Guns……..and Pansies
Why is it so hard for liberals to understand what made America great? Going back to the infancy of our nation, Real Americans (you know, those who aren't emasculated bed wetting liberals) have viewed our place as the leaders of the free world as manifest destiny. Never before has a nation achieved so much in so little time on the sweat of those who had little to speak of but a burning desire for freedom with the only impediment to success being the scourge of liberalism.
Our nation was borne of the frustration of big government that raped and pillaged at will. They silenced free speech, stole private property and enforced their will on the masses who turned out to be nothing more than sheep. If this sounds familiar, it should. The year may have been 1773, but it also could have been any of the couple hundred years between then and today, where the sheep still flock to their messianic leader with promises of more nanny state entitlements.
Truth be known, the majority of colonists did not support the out of touch visions of such radicals as Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington or Samuel Adams. They viewed those who spoke of freedom, liberty and rugged individualism with as much disdain as liberals today have for General Petraeus, George Bush, Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, Joe Arpaio or Tom Tancredo who all share a burning desire for preservation of our Constitutional rights from the continued assault being waged by the anti-American left.
Were it not for guns, our small militia never would have found a way to win at Saratoga or Trenton. Were it not for guts, Thomas Payne never would have written Common Sense. Were it not for God, Thomas Jefferson never would have had the inspiration to pen the Declaration of Independence. Were it not for pansies, Barack Obama would not be a serious presidential candidate today.
Many say that we have become a disgrace; a worthless nanny state on its way to the economic hell known as socialism. We have a nation of pansies who preach hatred of capitalism and success while bowing at the alter of failure, defeat, class warfare and racism because they know no better.
I beg to differ, as there are millions who do understand our plight. Sadly, the millions who do understand make up barely a majority of Americans, and should even some of those stay home on election day, we could put in place a president who will inevitably be the 21st century of Jimmy Carter; in other words a failure of epic proportions.
It’s important to remember that most of the colonists were against the revolution. My guess is that they were most often the stupid, the uninformed or equally as bad those who desired the security of the nanny state imperialist government. While times may have changed, people have not, as we still have the stupid and the uninformed in our midst who unfortunately are allowed to vote. Worse yet, we have those who cling to the nanny state mentality, not realizing the implications their greed will have on our freedom and our economy.
Simply put, the upcoming election will be a gathering of those who love freedom and those who are merely sheep. There is time to educate the sheep, for if we fail in this simple duty, there will be no return as liberals lead us down the beaten path to hell, better known as socialism."
UNQUOTE
The Green Bubble Bursts
By Ted Nordhaus and Michael Shellenberger, LA Times
As the election enters its endgame, Democrats and their environmental allies face a political challenge they could hardly have imagined just a few months ago. America’s growing dependence on fossil fuels, once viewed as a Democratic trump card held alongside the Iraq war and the deflating economy, has become a lodestone instead. Republicans stole the energy issue from Democrats by proposing expanded drilling—particularly lifting bans on offshore oil drilling—to bring down gasoline prices. Whereas Barack Obama told Americans to properly inflate their tires, Republicans at their convention gleefully chanted “Drill, baby, drill!” Obama’s point on conservation and efficiency was lost on an electorate eager for a solution to what they perceive as a supply crisis.
Democrats and greens ended up in this predicament because they believed their own press clippings—or, perhaps more accurately, Al Gore’s. After the release of the documentary film and book “An Inconvenient Truth,” greens convinced themselves that U.S. public opinion on climate change had shifted dramatically, despite having no empirical evidence that was the case. In fact, public concern about global warming was about the same before the movie—65% told a Gallup poll in 2007 that global warming was a somewhat or very important concern in comparison to 63% in 1989. Global warming remains a low-priority issue, hovering near the bottom of the Pew Center for People and the Press’ top 20 priorities. By contrast, public concern about gasoline and energy prices has shifted dramatically. While liberals and environmentalists were congratulating themselves on the triumph of climate science over fossil-fuel-funded ignorance, planning inauguration parties and writing legislation for the next Democratic president and Congress, gas prices became the second-highest concern after the economy, according to Gallup.
This summer, elite opinion ran headlong into American popular opinion. The train wreck happened in the Senate and went by the name of the Climate Security Act. That bill to cap U.S. greenhouse gas emissions would have, by all accounts (even the authors), increased gasoline and energy prices. Despite clear evidence that energy-price anxiety was rising, Democrats brought the bill to the Senate floor in June when gas prices were well over $4 a gallon in most of the country. Republicans were all too happy to join that fight.
Indeed, they so relished the opportunity to accuse Democrats of raising gasoline prices in the midst of an energy crisis, they insisted that the 500-page bill be read into the Senate record in its entirety in order to prolong the debate. Within days, Senate Democrats started jumping ship. Democratic leaders finally killed the debate to avert an embarrassing defeat, but by then they had handed Republicans a powerful political club.
In a tacit acknowledgment of their defeat, some green leaders, such as the Sierra Club’s Carl Pope, have endorsed the Democrats’ pro-drilling strategy. But few of them seem to realize the political implications. The most influential environmental groups in Washington—the Natural Resources Defense Council and the Environmental Defense Fund—are continuing to bet the farm on a strategy that relies on emissions limits and other regulations aimed at making fossil fuels more expensive in order to encourage conservation, efficiency and renewable energy. But with an economic recession likely, and energy prices sure to remain high for years to come thanks to expanding demand in China and other developing countries, any strategy predicated centrally on making fossil fuels more expensive is doomed to failure.
An inverse of the Clinton split-personality phenomenon can be seen in our other recent Democrat president, Jimmy Carter. The difference is that Carter, almost universally acknowledged as an inept chief executive, has been almost as widely presumed to be personally above reproach. Not unlike Clinton's job approval, Carter's personal reputation has been made to appear more impressive by sliding all of his negative characteristics into the other column. It has been as if his poor decision making as president had nothing at all to do with his personal philosophy.Jimmy Carter was possibly the first major public figure to identify himself as a born-again Christian. The media present this as a laudable trait, as long as you're a Democrat ... and especially if you're a pro-abortion Democrat. (Carter originated the "personally opposed, but" evasion that became the stock answer for liberal candidates throughout the Eighties.) That position is not the only contradiction of Carter's religious faith, either. As much as he still pokes his nose into international affairs, the former Leader of the Free World has had little to say about the slaughter, enslavement, and persecution of Christians worldwide.
The thirty-ninth president is reputed to be a bold champion of democracy and human rights, but he aided the communist Sandinista government in Nicaragua. He also ended American recognition of the nation of Taiwan, as a means of strengthening diplomatic ties with Red China. What's more, the timidity with which he engaged the Soviet Union betrayed his doubts about the superiority of representative government and free markets.
Jimmy Carter, the reluctant American
Although the bad memories of the Carter administration are routinely chalked up to innocent bumbling, many of them were the deliberate actions of a president who didn't always have America's best interests at heart. One of his first acts upon taking office was to pardon all the draft-dodgers from the Vietnam War. He would later sign an agreement to give up the Panama Canal, and negotiate the unverifiable and lopsidedly Soviet-friendly SALT II Treaty.
By betraying the Shah of Iran, the closest American ally in the Islamic world, President Carter was instrumental in the maniacal Ayatollah Khomeini's rise to power. Khomeini thanked Carter by seizing the U.S. embassy in Teheran and holding 52 Americans hostage for 444 days.
For all this and more, Jimmy Carter was voted out of office decisively in 1980.
Obama: the Kissinger Blunder
It will be interesting to see how the mainstream media plays Barack Obama’s bizarre assertion during the first debate that Henry Kissinger (currently a McCain adviser) agreed with him (Obama) about negotiating with Ahmadinejad. Kissinger was clearly alarmed, issuing this response within minutes: “Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level. My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Senator John McCain. We do not agree on everything, but we do agree that any negotiations with Iran must be geared to reality.”
My guess is the MSM will do its best to ignore this, because it certainly makes Obama look like a foreign policy amateur. My question is why he thought Kissinger would let such a statement pass? Is Obama clueless or just a sleazy liar? Either way it’s pretty disturbing. Now sure I am biased against Obama. I have long considered him the emptiest of suits. But nothing I heard tonight changed that viewpoint, though perhaps nothing could.
If we had laws like those under which Le Pen has been convicted, Moore's legal tab would have run into the tens of millions by now. He'd no longer have to pose as the downtrodden mascot of Marxism. He'd be the real thing.In an October 12, 2003 speech at the University of Michigan, Moore said, "There is no terrorist threat in this country. This is a lie. This is the biggest lie we've been told." Is that a "denial of crimes against humanity"? Luckily for him, that's not a question that will have to be answered in court.
Last June, Moore dismissed the horror of the 9-11 attacks by telling 60 Minutes, "Three thousand Americans were killed. There's 290 million Americans, all right? The chance of any of us dying in a terrorist incident is very, very, very small." He might as well have called it "a minor point in the history" of the War on Terror.
It's not that there's little chance that somebody in America will be killed by terrorists; it's just that it's unlikely to happen to any one particular person, e.g., Michael Moore. Three thousand innocent people being blown up, consumed by flames, crushed under falling buildings, and forced to jump to their deaths is no skin off Moore's nose, just as long as he is not among them. Since he's using the number killed at the World Trade Center to downplay the threat of future acts of terrorism, what he's implying is that, even if thousands more innocent Americans die in another attack, they are expendable. That's infinitely more atrocious than Le Pen's suggestion that the German occupiers, while inhumane, were not "especially" so.
Not only does Moore deny that our terrorist enemies in Iraq are terrorists, but he wrote last April that they're not even "The Enemy." Instead, he says, "They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow, and they will win."
Another anti- american
One of the most enduring fallacies in politics is that liberals love victims. In reality, they show very little compassion for genuine victims, like victims of violent crime, for example, or victims of Communist dictatorships. Liberals only love those whom they imagine have been victimized by the policies of their enemies. For this reason, they are instinctively drawn to phonies, whose identities they can define, and whose alleged troubles cannot be traced back to facts that liberals find inconvenient.Take the way that they look at abortion. Liberals have all the compassion in the world for fictitious women who were fictitiously killed by fictitious coat hanger abortions, but none at all for women who are factually known to have been killed by "safe and legal" abortions, let alone for the completely innocent children who are dismembered and killed in the womb.
Consider, also, the issue of torture. Liberals have shown lots of outrage over dubious accusations of torture leveled by anonymous terrorists being held at Guantanamo Bay. On the other hand, the countless victims of actual torture meted out by Saddam's government have gone virtually unnoticed by congressional Democrats and the liberal media.
Using a real person as a fake victim has its risks, however. Remember Winifred Skinner, who was supposed to serve as an example of the people liberals tell us are "forced to choose between food and medicine." At one of the 2000 presidential debates, Al Gore explained that Skinner had to pick aluminum cans out of other people's trash every day, so that she could afford her prescription drugs. Then, he unwittingly undercut her story by adding, "She came all the way from Iowa in a Winnebago with her poodle in order to attend here tonight." Suddenly, nobody worried about where her next meal was coming from.
It's not coincidental that the icon of the global warming movement is former vice president Al Gore, who, during the 2000 presidential campaign, sought advice from feminist author Naomi Wolf on how to become an "alpha male." Needless to say, she did not suggest that he scarf down a steak sandwich while sitting behind the wheel of a riding mower. Instead, her solution was to dress him in earth tones, as if obsessing over his wardrobe was any way to attain guydom. Never is it manly to ask, "does this make my butt look big," even if you want the answer to be yes.
For Wolf to tell Gore that he'd become an "alpha male" just by wearing the right clothing is a little like a mother patronizing her young child. She probably got the idea when Gore put a bucket over his head and said, "Look, Ms. Wolf, I'm an astronaut," and she replied, "Yes, of course you are, dear."
The lovely and talented Sarah shall make Biden look like the loopy fool he truly is. Though I suspect that the bulk of her attacks will be against Jimmy Carter II - Hussein Obama.
ACORN, Obama, and the Subprime Disaster
In light of Democrats' incredibly audacious attempt to use the massive bailout bill to funnel a fortune into the pockets of ACORN, Mona Charen provides a little background on this hard-left activist group:
ACORN is where 1960s leftovers who couldn't get tenure at universities wound up. […] Because they are on the side of righteousness and justice, they aren't especially fastidious about their methods. In 2006, for example, ACORN registered 1,800 new voters in Washington state. The only trouble was, with the exception of six, all the names submitted were fake. The secretary of state called it the "worst case of election fraud in our state's history." As Fox News reported:
The ACORN workers told state investigators that they went to the Seattle public library, sat at a table and filled out the voter registration forms. They made up names, addresses and Social Security numbers and in some cases plucked names from the phone book. One worker said it was a lot of hard work making up all those names and another said he would sit at home, smoke marijuana and fill out the forms.
ACORN explained this was an "isolated" incident, yet similar stories have been reported in Missouri, Michigan, Ohio and Colorado — all swing states by the way. ACORN members have been prosecuted for voter fraud in a number of states. (See www.rottenacorn.com)
But the outrage isn't just that Dems have tried to divert bailout money to an extremely pernicious, ultra-radical organization primarily devoted to pushing America to the Left through election fraud. ACORN helped cause the crisis in the first place:
ACORN recognized very early the opportunity presented by the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) of 1977. As Stanley Kurtz has reported, ACORN proudly touted "affirmative action" lending, and pressured banks to make subprime loans. Madeline Talbott, a Chicago ACORN leader, boasted of "dragging banks kicking and screaming" into dubious loans. And, as Sol Stern reported in City Journal, ACORN also found a remunerative niche as an "adviser" to banks seeking regulatory approval.
Guess which famous "community organizer" worked for ACORN for years?
ACORN attracted Barack Obama in his youthful community-organizing days. Madeline Talbott hired him to train her staff — the very people who would later descend on Chicago's banks as CRA shakedown artists. The Democratic nominee later funneled money to the group through the Woods Fund, on whose board he sat, and through the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, ditto. Mr. Obama was not just sympathetic — he was an ACORN fellow traveler.
He also represented ACORN as a public-interest lawyer while ACORN was exploiting the Clinton Administration's deranged revisions to the Community Reinvestment Act to force banks to make bad loans.
Now he's out there yelling that we need a massive bailout so as to keep mortgages affordable to those who can't afford them. Obviously, if a bailout occurs, another will follow, and another after that, until our economy collapses in accordance with the Cloward-Piven Strategy.
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SYDNEY (AFP) - An offbeat suggestion that Australians should eat kangaroos instead of cattle and sheep has been given a scientific stamp of approval by the government's top climate change adviser.
The belching and farting of millions of farm animals is a major contributor to Australia's greenhouse gas emissions, Professor Ross Garnaut noted in a major report to the government on global warming.
Kangaroos, on the other hand, emit negligible amounts of methane gas.
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Just think of all the heat given off by 6 billion human bodies and the gasses emanating from the same. This coupled with automobile exhaust and industrial pollution are most likely the reasons for global warming.
Posted by Johnedwrd on July 24, 2006 at 11:25 PM
If Sarah has shot a moose then that is a good thing. Moose are good to eat, much like beef only better. Deer are like dog food only not quite as tasty.
There is something definitely wrong with people who sit around worrying about cow farts.
God put all kinds of critters on this good earth so mankind would have a diversity of meat to eat. If the green leftwing movement is allowed to dictate what kind of meat we are allowed to eat, then we are doomed. They will have us eating grasshoppers, worms and rats. Such as the natives in Chicago and CT do.
We have very few moose in my county - maybe 100. Hunting is not allowed.
North Eastern Yankees are particularly prone to liberal anti-american propaganda. They will be the first to eat rats. and grasshoppers, with an occasional Cockroach.
Biden can either put it away tonight and end this thing for good (or) what's her name will pull off the biggest coup this country has ever seen. My guess is that Joe will make what's her name a laughing stock - just let her do the talking...
GO JOE!!!
Morning all good Dems,
Did you hear president ahole yesterday making a joke about wall street.
He got up to the podium and said that congress has a lot of work to do. He said it with that shit eating smile on his horse's ass face.
The audience laughed. I almost broke the television.
Posted by marymac_memphis on October 1, 2008 at 07:01 PM
Mary, you are absolutely correct. It will be my everlaasting shame that I was my normal abrasive (but still lovable) self to someone who has suffered a loss like that. For some reason my brain was not connecting the event with the person. Not sure why. Anyway, chassie, you have my deepest apologies for getting on your case at this time. I don't argue with Dems just for the hell of it, though. It has nothing to do with being mean, I really do it to try and keep people on their toes and help sharpen them up for the outside world. Because you're right...you and I and others here might understand what Mary meant, but if you're talking with a conservative, or even a semi-conservative, or a group of people with conservatives among them, those are the things they will pounce on. Most of them won't be as nice as me. And while the DNC blog may not get much play in the wider world of the Internet, other blogs do. I expect when I make mistakes that they will be pointed out by others here. Some may have a different style than I do. :shrug: It'll all work out in the end. Oh, and chassie? Don't go anywhere...cuz it IS possible for me to step over the line and I do sometimes need someone to haul me back.
Nice to see they got preview working right again.
I saw that doddering old fool on letterman last night. Letterman played that old clip of bush walking off stage and trying two locked doors before he figured out how to get off the stage.
mcgeezer did the same damn thing. Letterman played a clip of mcgeezer walking away from the podium. Is it this way or that. He seemed to be totally confused until someone backstage came out and lead him out.
Gasp! This man could be president of the world?
When he walked cross camera he was hunched over and was very unsteady just as expected from an old fart who is way beyond the age of consent and should have sense enough to retire. Hell, he has millions of dollars, 13 cars and seven homes. I can only conclude that he is greedy for power.
Now if they could only get the formatting buttons to show up at a time other than when you are previewing...
Time to work, be back at lunch
good morning folks. cool and sunny here today which makes the fall color show all the better.
It took me ten minutes to get past the "you are not signed in bullcrap".
Morning gregg,
We have fall colors too, all brown. One has to go north into northern Colorado to get into the fall colors. They still don't hold a candle to the colors in the northeast.
Sarah looked good in the swimsuit competition and in playing the flute.
62Sally-* on October 1, 2008 at 11:32 PM
ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO BE VICE PRESIDENT OF OUR UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!
It will be interesting to see how the mainstream media plays Barack Obama’s bizarre assertion during the first debate that Henry Kissinger (currently a McCain adviser) agreed with him (Obama) about negotiating with Ahmadinejad. Kissinger was clearly alarmed, issuing this response within minutes: “Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level. My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Senator John McCain. We do not agree on everything, but we do agree that any negotiations with Iran must be geared to reality.”
Stevie, oh Stevie, you really should invest in some good old fasioned TV and newspapers. What part did you miss, that it was MCCAIN who inserted "the President should talk to Iran", NOT OBAMA! Obama said that US should talk to Iran. He NEVER said the President. That fact check was all over the place. Wake up for God's sake, old man, Wake up!!
"Our attention has been consumed with Wall Street drama and the comedy event of the season -- tonight's vice-presidential debate -- but many people don't realize that in most states if you're not registered to vote by Monday, you cannot vote for president in November. In some states, the deadline is as early as this Saturday!
Will you do me a favor? Beginning right now, will you start asking everyone you know if they are registered to vote? Before you say hello, will you ask, "Hey, are you registered to vote here in (name of town)? 'Cause the deadline is Monday, and you have to be registered where you live." (Click here to find out what the deadline is in your state and click here to find out what the procedures are to sign up and vote. If you are a college student and want to find out where your vote counts most, click here.)
For the next couple of days, each of us has to do whatever we can to get people registered. Especially people who have recently moved, or students who are at college (students can vote where they go to school). Obama's two strongest bases -- young people and African Americans -- are traditionally the two groups who have the lowest voter registration and the lowest voter turnout. For Obama to win, this must change -- and it has to change today or tomorrow, not next week.
So send an email to everyone in your address book and attach this link so they know how to register and what the deadline is. Call the local Obama headquarters or the NAACP or black pastors or student Dems and offer your time to register people this weekend. It's called "the ground game," and it's where we always lose to the Republicans. Each of us need to commit to doing something in the next 48 hours to get the unregistered registered.
The more enlightened states allow you to register the day you vote. But in most places the deadline to register is this Monday, October 6th at 5pm.
Thanks for taking the time to make sure everyone you know is registered, and for helping them out if they're not.
Yours,
Michael Moore
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