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Tne St. Pete Times jumps all over McCain and Palin.
St. Pete Times on McCain and Palin: "Unworthy campaign of lies"
Glad to see that.
It is alarming that many are already calling Todd and Sarah Palin as chosen by God. Bush was said to be called by God and look how that turned out.
I'm thinking Sally only sees his "uncle Walter" when he stands in front of the mirror.
Poor little republican dupe.
Guys, the republicans over the internet and the talking heads have the uninformed minions believing that fannie and freddie are 100% the reason why the financial markets collapsed and somehow john mccain tried to save it but the dems stopped him.
If barack doesn't nip this in the bud quick it could mean a turn in the electorate. Nobody understands this stuff and they are believing cause obama got 100,000 in donations somehow it is all his fault.
Lou Dobbs has been attacking obama every single night while giving McSame a pass.
I'm getting pissed again. Obama needs to stick it to the republicans and Palin quick.
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newsjunkie on October 9, 2008 at 07:26 PM
should be a few laughs with this one tomorrow. seems todd thought he was governor instead of the missis....now that we have looked at michele obama's feelings about america maybe we need to examine todd's ....you know about the secesionist group he belonged to for 6 or 7 years that hated the united states of america....i mean who they hell is this todd guy anyway and where did he come from....good gosh almighty folks he ain't like us, he don come from where we come from or love this country like we do....
updated 13 minutes ago
AP
"ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Alaska's Supreme Court has refused to shut down an ethics investigation into Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee.
The decision Thursday sets the stage for state lawmakers to release a report on their investigation Friday. The report could prove to be an embarrassment for Palin and a distraction for John McCain's presidential campaign in the final weeks of the race.
Lawmakers are investigating whether Palin abused her power to settle a family dispute. Her former public safety commissioner says he was dismissed after resisting pressure to fire a state trooper who had gone through nasty divorce from Palin's sister..."
Obama: McCain Wasn't Willing To Say Ayers Attacks "To My Face" (VIDEO)
Well, I am surprised that, you know, we've been seeing some pretty over-the-top attacks coming out of the McCain campaign over the last several days that he wasn't willing to say it to my face.
McCain's been promising his supporters that he'll turn up the heat at the last debate - perhaps he'll bring Ayers up then.
John McCain started smearing Barack Obama about non-existent ties to Fannie Mae in some of his deceptive attack ads. Anonymous smear emails have followed McCain’s lead by fabricating even more connections.
These smears disguise the fact that Barack actually has a sensible, detailed plan to fix the economy — and it’s a much better source of answers than anonymous attack emails.
The non-partisan fact-check website Snopes.com looked into these smears, and their conclusions about Barack and the Fannie Mae executives shouldn’t be surprising: “None of them has (or apparently ever had) ongoing roles with the campaign as chief economic advisors.”
Not an adviser: Frank Raines
Barack estimates that he and Raines have talked for “maybe five minutes” in their lives, and Frank Raines himself even released a statement saying that he is “not an advisor to Barack Obama, nor have I provided his campaign with advice on housing or economic matters.”
Not an adviser: Tim Howard
This supposed connection appears to have been made up completely out of thin air. Snopes.com writes, “We haven’t yet found any tangible connection between Tim Howard and the Obama campaign, however, much less any information supporting the claim that Howard is a ‘chief economic adviser’ to Obama.”
Not an adviser: Jim Johnson
Jim Johnson has never held a paid position with Obama for America. He volunteered to help Barack select a vice presidential nominee but stepped down after just one week.
Where in the hell are the ads attacking the republicans for the financial crisis. Where are the ads exposing palin for the wack that she is. Where are the ads debunking the ayers relationship.Why didn't a Keating ad hit the airwaves instead of just the internet.
Guys, it's nervous time again, you just watch, McCain is going to gain some points this week.
This is for Grain_of_Salt:
The context was Clinton charging Gore with the task of streamlining the bureaucracy and paperwork of the Federal Government (everything filled out in triplicate, etc.), due to his expertise and contact with the movers and shakers in the computer world.
What happened was that instead of poring through thousands of pages of mundane crapola just to see (for example) safety standards for ashtrays (Gore even went on Letterman's show and smashed an ashtray to demonstrate the Federal guidelines...) the info was readilly available as HOT LINKS in some other mundane Bill or Regulation.
(YUP, Al Gore didn't invent the "hot link" he just figured out that thousands of typists didn't need to keep typing the same old shit when they could link to it with 1 click).
Anyway, here's the quote I think you are looking for:
Based on the President�s challenge, Vice President Gore set out to create a government that “works better, costs less, and gets results Americans care about.” The President asked the Vice President to report on the findings of this National Performance Review within six months. Vice President Gore, however, went far beyond preparing a report and led an effort that evolved into the longest-running and most successful reform effort in U.S. history to date. After the initial report, the NPR team undertook the implementation of the many recommendations, then conducted a second round of reviews in 1995. In the second Clinton-Gore term, NPR changed its mission, approach � and name -- to focus on leading a fundamental culture change in the government.oclquote>I hope the bolded portion helps you, if not, just ask here again and somebody will be happy to be your Google Monkey.
P.S., I HOPE I didn't just help some High Schooler cheat on an assignment.
Regardless, here is the "HOT LINK". (Thanks, Al!!)
[Sarah Palin] is like Jodie Foster in the movie 'Nell,' " Stewart continued. "They just found her, and she was speaking her own special language.
"Have you noticed how [Palin's] rallies have begun to take on the characteristics of the last days of the Weimar Republic? In Florida, she asked 'Who is Barack Obama?' Hey, lady, we just met YOU five f-ing weeks ago."
9MarkLof on October 9, 2008 at 07:31 PM
Oh, so Marklof gets his "facts" from The Weekly Standard.
Here is the link.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/09/obama_acorn_and_the_current_cr.asp
Article by Mary Katharine Ham
I want to know why John McCain is pallin around with criminals? I know the answer, but I'm not gonna tell ya.
Raffaello Follieri agreed not to appeal any sentence of up to five years and three months in prison for his plea to wire fraud, money laundering and conspiracy. Sentencing was set for Oct. 3.
Prosecutors have said the 30-year-old Follieri posed as the Vatican's representative to the U.S., telling investors that the Roman Catholic church would sell him property at a steep discount.
As part of his plea, he admitted misappropriating at least $2.4 million of investors' money, sending it to foreign personal bank accounts that were disguised as business accounts.
Yet Follieri's ties to McCain's orbit have been largely overlooked by the media. Follieri first met McCain when the Arizona Senator visited Montenegro from August 29-31 as part of a Congressional delegation that included Republican senators Lindsay Graham, Richard Burr, Saxby Chambliss, Mel Martinez and John Sununu. [We'll have more on what else McCain was doing in Montenegro in a forthcoming article in the print edition of The Nation.]
What, exactly, was McCain doing aboard Follieri's yacht? Or put another way, was this McCain's 70th birthday wish--to spend an evening floating on the Adriatic with one of Hollywood's top actresses and her smooth-talking Italian beau?
An even bigger mystery is how Follieri's boat came to be docked in Montenegro on McCain's birthday. According to a journalist in Montenegro, the yacht had been anchored there for several days before McCain's arrival, and only sailed away after McCain boarded. According to Vijesti, locals were told that McCain was meeting "friends from Florida" on the yacht.
McCain aides later confirmed the encounter with Follieri, but said it was "entirely social and nothing came of it." Follieri, they told the New York Daily News, was just a "passing acquaintance." (Though the McCain campaign promise to comment on the encounter, it did not respond to The Nation's request by the time this article was published.)
It must not have seemed that way to Follieri. According to the Italian newspaper Il Sole 24 Ore, in January 2007 Follieri sent Rick Davis a packet of information on his companies Follieri Capital and Follieri Media, apparently hoping to get financing from Pegasus Capital Advisors, a hedge fund in Connecticut that Davis represented. "Follieri's proposal to Davis had two dimensions to it--first, as an investment opportunity for Davis's fund; but secondly, there was the political dimension, in which Follieri offered to help deliver Catholic votes to McCain," said Claudio Gatti, a reporter for Il Sole 24 Ore, who investigated Follieri for eighteen months.
In February 2007, according to a recent article in the New York
OH, sorry, this is not criminal just Standard Operating Procedure.
Marklof,
These stupid smears have all been debunked. Everyone knows this. Where have you been?
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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on October 9, 2008 at
Doo, I'm not sure whether to focus on the quote or be offended that you think I write as if I could possibly be in high school.
Okay, this is not the exact quote I wanted, I wanted the quote in which Bill Clinton talked about why he put Gore in charge of this (it was fairly recent), but this may well help me narrow it down.
Thank you!
DBDBD: Good to 'see' you and by the way, re: the Cubbies - WTF??? I was so mad - I can't imagine what all of the good Cub fans went through! The only bright spot of the playoffs is that Joe Torre made it to the post season and the Yankees did NOT!
Hey Dors!
Hey Marklof,
Did you forget about this one...
In a bombshell article that is already roiling the presidential race, the New York Times reports that Sen. John McCain has a long-running entanglement with a lobbyist, a series of "potentially embarrassing conflicts of interest" and a "self-contradictory" fundraising operation that he ran through the nonprofit Reform Institute.
According to two former McCain associates who became "disillusioned" with the Senator, McCain admitted to "behaving inappropriately" with telecommunications lobbyist Vicki Iseman. The Times reports that McCain denied allegations of a romantic relationship, and he "declined repeated interview requests, beginning in December. He also would not comment about the assertions that he had been confronted about Ms. Iseman." The article raises several other allegations about McCain's acceptance of corporate favors, private jet rides, corporate contributions, and conflicts of interests with companies that he oversaw as a U.S. Senator.
wow i just saw this poll. it is the only one that shows obama up in west virginia but it is also the most recent. could it be that those poor souls in the hills and hollows who will take a big beating in any economic downturn and have for generations will actually vote for their own interests instead of go for some pie in the sky republican hate nonsense that leaves them eating ashes after the polls close?
ARG 10/04 - 10/08 600 LV McCain 42 Obama 50 Obama +8
CALL IN THE DOG'S, WET THE FIRE, THE HUNT IS OVER.
JAMES CARVILLE 10/07/08
Sally ole boy, Better send your Uncle Walter some TRUTH about Obama ! sounds like the apple did not fall from the tree, and he is as looney as you are !
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That's all you got anymore old man? and Markie, oh, Markie. that ACORN bullshit has been put on here and debunked LONG before you slithered in. So don't make yourself look any more foolish! AND, don't you listen to TV nor read internet articles or newspapers? Seems like everyone blames Republicans for this financial mess, because of their great love for deregulation, PLUS they have been in power in congress for 14 years, and the White House for 8. Now tell me------if this economy and jobs and stock market were all doing wonderful, YOU would take credit for it, right? WELL IT SUCKS AND YOU TAKE THE CREDIT FOR IT ! GOT IT?
17Chicago on October 9, 2008 at 07:41 PM Oh, so Marklof gets his "facts" from The Weekly Standard.
McCain's gonna have a tough time now railing on "acorn" and CRA now that he's turned populist and offered up tax payer money to buy failing mortgages.
I'm hoping McCain/Palin gather all the Sally's of the world around them and show them off on national television.
How about this one...
Mafia ties:
In 1995, McCain sent birthday regards, and regrets for not attending, to Joseph "Joe Bananas" Bonano, the head of the New York Bonano crime family, who had retired to Arizona. Another politician to send regrets was Governor Fife Symington, who has since been kicked out of office and convicted of 7 felonies relating to fraud and extortion.
dors, you are describing a scene from night of the living dead aren't you with that gathering of beagles stuff you want mcbush and paladin to do?
John McCain has no economic plan, I'm serious I just went into enemy territory and could not get a response on his economic plan. Other parts of the blog work, but economic plan is blank.
18marymac_memphis on October 9, 2008 at 07:48 PM Hey Dors!
Hey, Mary.
Cubs will win the series next year - they wanted to give the Dodgers a break because California is broke.
how about this one...
A political strategist tied to the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal is helping to raise money for John McCain, urging his fellow Georgia Republicans to attend a fundraiser in Atlanta for the GOP presidential candidate.
Ralph Reed, former director of the Christian Coalition, said he had agreed to serve on McCain's Victory 2008 Team in an e-mail that solicited donations on McCain's behalf. The Republican National Committee is host for the fundraiser, scheduled at an Atlanta hotel on Monday.
Dear Members and Friends,
Michelle Obama announced on TV this week that her family will adopt – not buy – a dog after the elections. That’s an example I hope other Americans will follow. Then rescue pets everywhere will be the real winners! (And to the 50,000 of you who signed Best Friends successful petition, thank you.)
27gregg on October 9, 2008 at 07:57 PM dors, you are describing a scene from night of the living dead aren't you with that gathering of beagles stuff you want mcbush and paladin to do?
Movies have always helped Americans through hard times like the Great Depression but we are a more complex audience now and need something more than Shriley Temple.
How about this,
Q: Did John McCain cheat on his first wife?
Hearing there was a previous Mrs. McCain before Cindy McCain. Is this so, and did John cheat on her after the 1st wife was in a bad car accident?
A: He courted his current wife, Cindy, for months before divorcing Carol Shepp in 1980. He recently called the breakup of his first marriage "my greatest moral failure."
He married the second wife one month after he divorced his first (crippled) wife. Yeah. He cheated.
Chicago - I'm following you
McShame was dropping off gambling losses?
Anti-Abramhoff, while collecting money from Indian tribes?
Here's the link
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/us/politics/28gambling-web.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
dors, you are right. i think some "crimes against humanity" trials would sooth the masses....or at least sooth me.
Sally-* on October 9, 2008 at 08:05 PM
Sally,
Thank you again for demonstrating what it means to be a republican today. Made up facts that no one with a working brain believes. Republican delusions by dupes of extremely limited mental capacities.
You are the poster child of the republican party.
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Chicago on October 9, 2008 at 08:06 PM
In the Rolling Stone 9 page write up on McCain, recently, said he actually married cindy before his divorce was final. They then had a regular wedding with guests after the divorce was final.
"Speaking to Dennis Miller, a comedian and conservative radio talk show host..."
who has managed to tank his career by signing up with the wing nuts....
MarkLof on October 9, 2008 at 08:10 PM
Marklof, it ain't workin'. The people are seeing right through your smear attempts. Your looking foolish.
You are the poster child of the republican party.
39Chicago on October 9, 2008 at 08:11 PM
NO, Chicago, He is the Poster Man for the Institute of Mental Health.
Narcisstic. Paranoid. Schizo. Neurotic.
You name it, he has it !
How long did you spend looking that up?
MarkLof on October 9, 2008 at 08:13 PM
Wow, you really are stupid. I spent about 5 seconds looking that up. Here is how you do it. Cut a phrase out of the article posted. Paste it into a search engine under "the exact phrase" window. Hit "enter". Bingo. We have an exact match.
Republicans are such stupid fools.
15dixiehen on October 9, 2008 at 07:45 PM I want to know why John McCain is pallin around with criminals?
I'd like to see a town hall style debate between John McCain and Barack Hussein Obama where the entire audience is full of Palin supporters
so long as it's broadcast live to all the all the world.
Americans will then have to struggle with the question of do Iran/OBL/DPRK truely represent our greatest threats?
LOL. THIS is all they have left? The Shrill Right? squealing like little girls over whatever trash they can find in the archives about Obama? Give it up, Wackos.
We Blame YOU, for the state of the Union, and the world! voting for Republicans and for Bush twice---it is YOU who screwed up our economy, our job market, our stock market, our dead 4200 US troops, another 33,000 missing limbs. The planet drying up from global warming. Our ruined foreign image. the US dollar down the toilet. Our jobs all sent overseas. Oil prices from $1.64 when Bush took office to $3.50 now.
YOU are to blame, and don't you ever forget it. You explain to your kids why their taxes are through the roof, trying to pay off a Chinese credit card ! Stupid SOBS!
Calling it a night, Dems. Blog ya all tomorrow.
Looking forward to the 15th and the next debate. Watching McCain is like watching the worm you just put on your fishing hook. Squirms and wiggles all over the place !
38gregg on October 9, 2008 at 08:11 PM dors, you are right. i think some "crimes against humanity" trials would sooth the masses....or at least sooth me.
There are alot of upsides.
McCain is a songbird, coward, coddled, old crooked fool. How he has fooled so many people for so many years that he had any honor, is remarkable.
Now, I want my Sara Palin ad. I know I am missing a lot of ads, due to the fact I am in a red state. But like I said before people are voting the bottom of the ticket, not most, but a lot. We need to open a can of whoop ass on her, she has gotten a free pass.
I sent the following to paulson. Of course it won't do any good.
Dear Secretary Paulson,
AIG executives headed out on a taxpayer funded junket to the St. Regis resort in California. While there, they had a blast at our expense. This is outrageous.
The Director who authorized this junket should be fired and every penny spent on this lavish retreat must be returned to the Treasury.
And on another note, Hoover tried bailing out the banks in 1929 and it was an abject failure. Congress put forth a jobs bill to create jobs for the average man and Hoover vetoed it
and the nation sunk into the Great Republican Depression of 1929.
When Roosevelt took office shortly thereafter, he resurrected the bill and it was a success.
We have lost over 5,000,000 jobs during your bush's failed administration. bush is a total failure at everything he does and he will go down in history as the worst president of all time.
To get us out of this neocon mess we must start to rebuild the economy from the bottom up like Roosevelt did.
We must pass a jobs bill to provide jobs rebuilding our infrastructure and developing a green economy.
We must double the minimum wage.
We must return to the income tax rates that prevailed up until the raygun administration.
We must encourage unionization instead of eliminating unions.
To help businesses, we must have universal health care.
We must double unemployment compensation.
We must put tariffs on all imported goods like most other countries. this will force businesses to resurrect our manufacturing base and create jobs. Under the various trade bills we have lost most of our manufacturing capabilities. I truly don't know how we are going to survive the upcoming Great Republican Depression of 2009.
Let's help the American poeople for a change and not your rich dude friends. You people obviously do not care about America or Americans.
We also need universal college education free to anyone who wants to attend. We must produce more engineers and scientists if we are to survive.
We need subsidized child care.
We need universal senior care.
I could go on and on.
Face it, Reaganomics is a failed policy forced on us by a two-bit actor. IT IS DEAD! BURY IT DAMNIT!
Let's help the average American for a change.
48PamB on October 9, 2008 at 08:22 PM LOL. THIS is all they have left? The Shrill Right?
Rich people have spent billions of dollars over the last three decades to give them a prominent voice in the way our country is governed.
They deserve their time on the national stage - I say "the more time they have, the better".
Give it up, Wackos.
No!! they can't give up yet - they need to make thier voices heard in a much bigger way - we need face to face interviews - and live video.
48PamB on October 9, 2008 at 08:22 PM Calling it a night, Dems. Blog ya all tomorrow.
Good night, Pam - I'm stepping away myself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbSI64A3lhM
In case you haven't seen it.
Republican "Hypocrisy"
Jon Stewart at his best.
I sent the following to my neocon senator.
My patience with mccain and palin is running very thin. They are out there spreading utter lies about Obama.
They are inciting people to riot at every town hall meeting. At a recent meeting mccain had the audience so stirred up that several of them yelled that Obama was a terrorist. Of course mccaiin did not say a word thereby encouraging this horrendous bechavior.
At another rally, palin got the audience so stirred up against Obama that someone yelled KILL HIM. Again she did not say a word thereby giving her consent to the act.
I for one will not tolerate mccain disrespecting a fellow senator. He should be severely censured by the senate immediately.
With palin there is no excuse.
If anything happens to Obama, mccain and palin must be charged with murder and treason.
I am so sick of their damn rovian lies.
There are reports that state officials are removing millions of people from the voter rolls(mostly Democrats). This appears to be happening in at least six battleground states. The Justice Department must immediately investigate these claims. I for one am not going to sit still and allow the republicans to steal yet another election like they did in 2000 and 2004 with the help of rove and the justice department. I feel that these are treasonous acts and should be punished accordingly.
People are fed up with this the most viscious election campaign I have seen in all my 72 years. Your (republican) party is a disgrace to civilized people throughout the world. The people will not take much more of the lying, innuendos, name calling and incitement to riot.
It is your duty as one of my senators to act and put a stop to this intolerable behavior of the republican party.
If John McLame continues the free-fall in the polls, he should just drop out and go home. Maybe he should follow the lead of the Dole campaign and just start doing Viagra commercials now...
There must be something in the water out there that makes people stupid
MarkLof on October 9, 2008 at 08:54 PM
Marklof, put the cup down before you hurt yourself.
Obama with Sympathetic's Conservative Talk Radio Host who, to his credit, didn't cut Obama's mike.
"The fact that Senator McCain wants to make this the centerpiece of his campaign is pretty remarkable," he said. "We are going through an enormous challenge right now."
"Senator McCain surely doesn't believe that I've endorsed any of the actions that [Ayers] has taken," he said. "They're trying to distract from the economy."
"We've got the biggest economic crisis on our hands since the Great Depression and Senator McCain's team has said in the newspapers, they've said it publicly, 'If we talk about the economy, then we lose the election,'" Obama said.
Obama sounds like the Voice of America.
Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which, since the 1970s, has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.
And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."
After refraining from commenting on the charge for a day, the McCain campaign on Tuesday asserted that Palin was never a member of the AIP.
But Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.
59Chicago on October 9, 2008 at 08:57 PM Marklof, put the cup down before you hurt yourself.
It's the "culture war", Chicago. Most of the country has decided to just say no.
Don't mention Jane Fonda - if you do, they'll fill the blog with rants about global warming hysteria.
So, John and Sarah,
The gloves are off, huh? Okay. Let's get to it.
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_mccain_lost_five_u.htm
There is this class act republican woman on Larry King really sticking it to Bay Buchanan. She is appauled that they put someone of Palins experience and naivete in this position. Especially the party and man who voted against equal pay for equal work. She is also nailing her on how they are smearing Obama.
Lawmaker Accused of Fannie Mae Conflict of Interest
Friday, October 03, 2008
By Bill Sammon
WASHINGTON — Unqualified home buyers were not the only ones who benefitted from Massachusetts Rep. Barney Frank’s efforts to deregulate Fannie Mae throughout the 1990s.
So did Frank’s partner, a Fannie Mae executive at the forefront of the agency’s push to relax lending restrictions.
Now that Fannie Mae is at the epicenter of a financial meltdown that threatens the U.S. economy, some are raising new questions about Frank's relationship with Herb Moses, who was Fannie’s assistant director for product initiatives. Moses worked at the government-sponsored enterprise from 1991 to 1998, while Frank was on the House Banking Committee, which had jurisdiction over Fannie.
Both Frank and Moses assured the Wall Street Journal in 1992 that they took pains to avoid any conflicts of interest. Critics, however, remain skeptical.
"It’s absolutely a conflict," said Dan Gainor, vice president of the Business & Media Institute. "He was voting on Fannie Mae at a time when he was involved with a Fannie Mae executive. How is that not germane?
"If this had been his ex-wife and he was Republican, I would bet every penny I have - or at least what’s not in the stock market - that this would be considered germane," added Gainor, a T. Boone Pickens Fellow. "But everybody wants to avoid it because he’s gay. It’s the quintessential double standard."
A top GOP House aide agreed.
"C’mon, he writes housing and banking laws and his boyfriend is a top exec at a firm that stands to gain from those laws?" the aide told FOX News. "No media ever takes note? Imagine what would happen if Frank’s political affiliation was R instead of D? Imagine what the media would say if [GOP former] Chairman [Mike] Oxley’s wife or [GOP presidential nominee John] McCain’s wife was a top exec at Fannie for a decade while they wrote the nation’s housing and banking laws."
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Well, I finally got McPalin's homeowner's bailout plan -
Funds provided by Congress in recent financial market stabilization bill can be used for this purpose; indeed by stabilizing mortgages it will likely be possible to avoid some purposes previously assumed needed in that bill.
So this is what some said initally, part of the bill that had already passed. McCain wants to change the bill he voted for and then said Bush should veto - Uncle Ziggy just took another turn on the Zig Zag express
Why are the palin twins on the No Fly terrorist list. I would classify them as terrorists. They were apparently members of the AIP.
I would say that this disqualifies her as vice president.
When a southern state seceded from the Union in 1861, Lincoln declared war. This is a pretty serious affair.
Maybe bush will have to declare war on Alaska.
Marklof,
I'll see your "Sanders", and I'll raise you a "Keating Five"
It is alarming that many are already calling Todd and Sarah Palin as chosen by God. Bush was said to be called by God and look how that turned out.
madfloridian on October 9, 2008 at 07:19 PM
I heard some idiot on a religious radio show today in NM say that "we need to bring christian principles back to the U.S".
These people are idiots. What does that do for Muslims, Jews, Budhists and every other religion that practises their faith here.
The radio host agreed wholeheartedly. This is the same station that says their advertisers are christian companies.
These people need to grow up.
Sorry if this is duplicate post - but I can't view the other one - this is running jerky tonight
McCain's home buyer plan - per his web site
Funds provided by Congress in recent financial market stabilization bill can be used for this purpose; indeed by stabilizing mortgages it will likely be possible to avoid some purposes previously assumed needed in that bill.
So the original "spinners" were right, he was referring to the bail-out bill - so what he wants more credit for it - but then who was the lame brain that decided it was a brand-new idea?
MarkLof on October 9, 2008 at 09:23 PM
Getting your facts from SNL now? LMAO your an idiot.
MC CAIN ON IRAQ: The Dangerous Losing Attitude
McCain said if America leaves Iraq and Iraq falls apart we will lose standing in the region and the world. This dangerously forfeit’s the Iraqi Governments ability to blame America if Iraq does fall apart when America leaves instead of holding them accountable for regional political compromise.
Mc Cain's ‘losing attitude’ also might feed the Iraqi people blaming past America policy if they their selves let chaos happen ‘whenever’ America leaves. Instead, America should encourage the Iraqi Government and Iraqi people to rely on their own military with their billion dollar surplus. That would help to hold people of every sect in Iraq accountable for their own behavior and attitudes towards violence as a bargaining tool.
Worse, McCain’s attitude suggests to Al Qaeda that they could still redeploy and challenge America in the war against terrorism after we leave Iraq and that the world might look upon it as somehow Al Qaeda winning instead of like Iraq’s own battle with Al Qaeda.
Personally, since most people in Iraq still think it is partly O.K. or all O.K. to kill American’s, I don’t want our soldiers standing on their street corners risking their lives fighting for Iraqi’s lives anymore.
If others in Iraq don’t want to work 100% with us for the life within us all and Al Qaeda is not organized in Iraq right now, isn't it not about what life is not worth to Iraqi’s rather than what life is worth to the rest of us?
Sorry,
Dodd and Franks wall street fiasco,
Lies about his relationship with Bill Ayers
Connection with ACORN
Obamas new taxes and cutting the military.
Too much to hold in, still too far from election, its all going to blow up in Obamas face.
CarlosDA on October 9, 2008 at 09:29 PM
I didn't think it was possible, but I think your lame attempts are even more lame than Marklof's.
It ain't workin' dupes. But you can keep on tryin'. Gourd ahead, fools. But all us Americans are saying "thanks but no thanks" to the McLame/Falin smear-talk express.
Rachel Madow on now regarding troopergate
Todd digging hole for Sarah. She was/wasn't driving Trig without proper car seat, she wanted to use the plane and it wasn't always available when she wanted it.
"Their" (its) facts have as much "fact" in them as the Ayers noice.
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Chicago on October 9, 2008 at 09:39 PM
I did not think you were smart enough to turn on a computer, but , there you are.
Glad they (it) are letting it all hang out though - eratic and angry come to mind.
CarlosDA on October 9, 2008 at 09:29 PM
Hey dumb dumb it is your, "let the free markets decide" "less govt. regulation" "no big government" "home ownership is at an all time high" party, the repukes that own this whole dissaster.
Oh and moron markoff, so what if the sandlers sold to wachovia, shouldn't wachovia be smart enough to audit what they buy. You are uneducated and have no clue about anything, that's why you vote for crooks who steal your money and laugh at you behind closed doors.
I did not think you were smart enough to turn on a computer, but , there you are.
83CarlosDA on October 9, 2008 at 09:44 PM
Hey, that's the same stupid comment Dufus Dan always makes when he can't think of anything to say. Are you Dufus Dan pretending to be someone new???
CarlosDA on October 9, 2008 at 09:39 PM
Why would McCain vote against the GI Bill
Why would McCain vote against body armor for our democratic troops, twice
Why would McCain vote against equal pay for equal work for women and then pick a nimbelsol like palin. I guess he thinks he will pay her less than cheney and save some pork barrel spending. LMAO
If you voted for bush twice, you don't know anything about anything. Go home, you are out of your league here, just like palin.
83CarlosDA on October 9, 2008 at 09:44 PM I did not think you were smart enough to turn on a computer, but , there you are.
Hmmm.... Most people like you claim Palin's a MILF - and follow her around. You must be better a sort - good for you.
that's why you vote for crooks who steal your money and laugh at you behind closed doors.
86newsjunkie on October 9, 2008 at 09:46 PM
Newsjunkie,
Exactly right. They are DUPES. The idiots the republicans can always count on to vote for them, no matter how bad they screw things up. The dupes are not smart enough to think for themselves. They're barely smart enough to repeat talking points.
Cindy says John doesn't have PTS because he was trained on how to avoid it? Young 18 year olds not properly trained.
Good God, this woman should take a lesson from Nancy Reagan and stand there and keep her mouth shut.
Ain't it great the way the Mccains support our veterans.
Does she not realize how hard it is to get Vets to seek treatment/admit they have PTS? How many families have suffered because it took YEARS to get this illness acknowledged and treated by the VA.
She just slapped down everyone of those HONORABLE, BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE FOUGHT AND ARE FIGHTING for her and her precious family.
Cindy McCain says today that john doesn't have pts because he was trained in the Academy where they got better training than the regular enlistee's. Can you belive that bitch.
Or what about, when barack voted against funding without a timetable, that sent a cold chill down her spine, oh really
JOHN MCCAIN VOTED TWICE AGAINST BODY ARMOR FOR THE TROOPS, JOHN MCCAIN VOTED AGAINST THE GI BILL, I GUESS JOHN MCCAIN THINKS BODY ARMOR IS PORK BARREL SPENDING. CINDY, SHUT YOUR TRAP, YOUR AN IDIOT.
Have to go get an attitude adjustment - bbl - blog willing
John McCain in 2000 said because of tactical decisions U.S. troops were put in the position of killing civilians in Kosovo — something awfully similar to the comments he's now attacking Barack Obama for.
During a Republican primary debate in 2000 McCain called the Clinton strategy in Kosovo "obscene" because it forced troops into using tactics that meant civilians were going to get killed.
"In the most obscene chapter in recent American history is the conduct of the Kosovo conflict when the president of the United States refused to prepare for ground operations, refused to have air power used effectively because he wanted them flying -- he had them flying at 15,000 feet where they killed innocent civilians because they were dropping bombs from such -- in high altitude."
That is almost exactly what Barack Obama said last year about U.S. troops in Afghanistan, when he said the U.S. strategy has led to air strikes rather than controlling the ground — a remark that McCain, in a new ad announced this week, calls "dishonorable."
John McLame,
Your entire campaign is DISHONORABLE!
Today at the McCain campaign they had some real winners. The lowest of the low, the dumbest of the dumb, and racist's all of them.
On guy gets up and says he's not worried about the financial meltdown, he's worried about pelosi and Obama and, get this, SOCIALISM-hey dumb, dumb your party just created the biggest socialist society since fdr. duh
Then this other guy gets up and starts to cry, why can't we get out who obama really is.
These people are either mentally ill emotional wrecks or dumb as iraq and listening to too much right wing wacko propaganda.
Dear Lord help us all.
Every word that comes out of these two republicans mouths is a lie.
I wonder what the Alaskan probe on Todd will be, he's such a moron, I'm sure they coached him and he still blew it.
It appears that the Alaskan Supreme Court couldn't be pushed around by the McCain campaign. Makes ya want to visit alaska some day, after they impeach palin.
93DIXIEHEN ON OCTOBER 9, 2008 AT 09:53 PM
I would also assume they were taught not to crash planes, but there you go.
As for the crazies, they will not be satisfied that they know the "real" Obama until he comes out and says he is a crazy terrorist who intends to rape all the white women and sell the country to Hitler. They're retarded. I mean that in it's literal sense.
‘FAIR’WELL IRAQ, ON WITH AFGHANISTAN…
While Bush tried to fix his fathers wrong and Mc Cain tries to fix Bush’s wrong in Iraq, will Afghanistan let the Democratic Party fix America’s wrong in not first helping Afghanistan to rebuild their government properly. By NOW giving credit to the Afghani people for still loving authority in government no matter how they were once abused by the Taliban or recently neglected by The United States!
If America wants to suggest a Democratic agenda in Afghanistan then show Afghanistan an open mind, understanding and forgiveness.
FREEDOM is giving Afghanistan the choice of better public representation be it Democratic representation, better Islamic representation or a CHOICE of both.
Why does McCain want to tax your health benefits? Because he considers them as wages.
I paraphrase, " when unions negotiate wage packages, health benefits are part of that wage package and should be taxed."
So as if the unions haven't suffered enough with jobs going overseas and Bush busting now he wants to tax those "gold plated cadillac" benefits.
This from a man who's had government health insurance benefits from the time he took his first breath.
This sends a cold chill down my spine and I would say John McCain come walk in my shoes.
Today at the McCain campaign they had some real winners. The lowest of the low, the dumbest of the dumb, and racist's all of them.
newsjunkie on October 9, 2008 at 10:04 PM
Newsjunkie,
Those poor stupid republicans are in a panic. They voted for Bush the idiot TWICE. They can see what has happened to this country. But they are too arrogant to admit when they have been soooo wrong, TWICE. So they continue the lie, even to themselves. They just cannot deal with the reality of what THEY did to this country by voting for Bush.
Poor stupid republican dupes.
Last week, amid concerns about an uptick in the number of requests for verification, Social Security Commissioner Michael Astrue sent a letter to officials in Alabama, Georgia, Indiana, Nevada, North Carolina and Ohio seeking to verify that the checks were run only on new voters who don't have acceptable identification. States have said the increase in checks is due partly to a stream of new voters coming in to register.
Sorry for the shout but IF YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY RECORD DOES NOT MATCH YOU COULD BE PURGED FROM THE VOTING RECORDS.
I can't say this strongly enough. If you have married but didn't change your social security card or if you have a nick name or middle name on one record you could be purged.
Alabama did a driver's license match, and an elderly neighbor who has always used her middle name was given a real hassle by the DMV.
PLEASE MAKE CERTAIN YOU AND EVERYONE YOU KNOW HAVE NOT BEEN PURGED BECAUSE OF MATCH WITH SOCIAL SECURITY RECORDS.
and on that note - I'm out of here for tonight - keep the faith y'all.
good evening, everyone.
Obama Buys 30 Minutes of TV Time
Sen. Barack Obama has purchased a half-hour of airtime on CBS, reports Live Feed.
"The Obama campaign will air a half-hour primetime special on Wednesday, Oct. 29, at 8 p.m. Sources say the Obama camp is also in talks with NBC and Fox. NBC is said to be very near a deal. With Fox, the matter is likely to remain uncertain as the time period could conflict with Game 6 of the World Series."
Good evening, all.
Anderson Cooper had his chorus of financial whiz kids on tonight talking about how you can make a killing in the current market...if you have a lot of available cash. (I kid you not. They think we have hit bottom for some reason which none of them can explain why.)
Now who would have a lot of available cash lying around? Of course, the filthy rich whose financial companies we are bailing out after they left taking their golden parachutes and stock options.
Like my husband said tonight this is a great time for slum lords to to buy up undervalued properties and rent them back to their former owners for more than they were originally paying on those sub prime loans.
The rich get richer and the poor pay higher taxes to bail out the rich. It's a better scam than the pyramid scheme they were running before this crash.
I say we add so many taxes on the rich in this country that they actually leave and renounce their citizenship for good.
That's one way of throwing the money lenders out of the temple and never having to deal with them ever again. It would be worth the initial financial hit, imho. Let's outsource the lying, scheming Republican bastards to some other unsuspecting country.
Sally-* on October 9, 2008 at 10:38 PM
Gosh Sally. I noticed its colder tonight than it was this afternoon. Does that mean global warming is a myth? Do you think the glaciers will grow back by next week or so? The polar bears will be so happy.
You dumbass trools and your chants of "ACORN" fraud! What I'm about to post should scare the hell out of you!
The SS office wants to shut down Oct. 11 - 13th to do upgrades. Enough to throw off all statewide voter registration databases (HAVA more fun, all the time...any of you remember that from me?) All HAVA VR databases must go to the BMV & then the SS office to cross check VR.
Anyone who has changed their voter registration at their county board of elections but still have a drivers license with their previous address will be placed in a "special" status, causing them to vote provisional. it's the biggest caging this nation has seen...and the repugs own it.
Esmeralda on October 9, 2008 at 10:58 PM
Essie,
That's a wonderful idea. Let Obama spend some time with the people like FDR used to do without having a bunch of pundits interrupting to give their bogus commentary. It's been a while since Americans have seen how a real leader acts.
I hear Bush is going to hold a press conference tomorrow? Maybe he's finally figured out what mistakes he's made since he was declared president by the Supreme Court. I doubt it.
Hey, did anyone see the SNL special? My husband made me watch the Philly/Dodger game. After the first inning I feel asleep.
Just for fun...gas prices, then and now
Best data -- this is from the U.S. Department of Energy. We'll take the average U.S. gas prices as of December from each year (prices not adjusted for inflation):
1990 - $1.341
1991 - $1.053
1992 - $1.069
1993 - $0.999
1994 - $1.077 (this is the year that reformulated gas was introduced)
1995 - $1.082
1996 - $1.227
1997 - $1.112
1998 - $0.993
1999 - $1.273
2000 - $1.414
2001 - $1.096
2002 - $1.441
2003 - $1.478
2004 - $1.791
2005 - $2.197
2006 - $2.341
2007 - $3.053
McLame/Palin
The "Straight Talk Express" has become
the "Hate Talk Express".
John McSame, your entire campaign has become DISHONORABLE!
A lot of people are finally seeing John McCain as the slightly senile, angry old man that he is. He would make a horrible president. He and Bush would be in race for the bottom and we would continue to suffer the consequences.
Obama/Biden 2008
Oct. 9 (Bloomberg) -- President George W. Bush will address the nation tomorrow to tell Americans they should remain ``confident'' amid falling stock markets and a worldwide credit crisis, administration spokeswoman Dana Perino said.
Ms. Perino went on to say that the Presidummie believes that shopping is the most patriotic response Americans could have during this economic "bump in the road". To show patriots the way the Presidummie will shop at a Staples in downtown Pensacola Florida with his mom Arm Bags Bush.
If ANYTHING happens to Obama before the election or after, mccain and palin should be arrested and tried for treason.
set your eyes on things above...as it is in heaven, so shall it be on earth.
I will make for you a covenant on that day with the wild animals, the birds of the air, and the creeping things of the ground; and I will abolish the bow, the sword, and war from the land; and I will make you lie down in safety.
- Hosea 2:18
I'm going to go lie down & get a couple hours of beauty sleep before another 12 hour day.
Enjoy the evening, everyone.
Misinformed people are too misinformed to know they are misinformed.
You can also use, stupid, uninformed, naive, it's all true.
Chicago on October 9, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Chicago and newsjunkie,
Ali Belshi(sp?) on CNN said that our stock market still has some intrinsic worth. Can it be much since the GOP off shored much of it during the last 30 years?
Truly, what do we still have left besides some tech, medical, mining, and transportation? I don't consider Disneyland, Walmart, and McDonalds as of much value. We have little manufacturing and scientific research being done here any longer. The financial products we developed were all scams.
Why would anybody want to buy anything we might try to sell them after this meltdown in real estate and banking speculation?
Our intrinsic worth is about as valuable as McCain's experience.
Hopefully the younger among us have learned a good lesson from this experience. It's pretty obvious that a large percentage of my generation is incapable of admitting who cheated them out of their retirement.
I'd suggest that at the next Palin rally they lock in all those conservative values voters and let Dr. Phil do an intervention. They're still in denial over how they were betrayed by the Reagan Revolution.
"What were you thinking? Snap out of it and take some responsibility for your greed and prejudices. You were sucker punched by the GOP Contract with America."
"The Unborn don't want your help. You're a bunch of unfit perspective grandparents. Get some counseling and come back when you are ready to be good and ashamed of yourself."
Thank you, Dr. Phil.
perino said she has always had a job and that if people are having financial difficulties they should get a job. WTF.
perino said she has always had a job and that if people are having financial difficulties they should get a job. WTF.
perino is simple minded. Look in the dictionary and you'll find her picture under stupid.
Johne on October 9, 2008 at 11:36 PM
Johne,
Nah, just lock them up in the same cell with each other...with frequent visits from Alberto Gonzales, Donald Rumsfeld, and Denis Miller. They'd have Cindy hiring Bin Lauden and his henchmen to break them out in no time.
Oh, the pain, the pain. Purgatory would be a relief.
Esmeralda on October 9, 2008 at 11:39 PM
Good night, Essie.
Did we tell you lately how much we appreciate what you are doing? We really do. And hopefully, there will be a place for you in the Obama administration or at least on one of their commissions regarding voter reform.
palin absolved herself of any wrongdoing in her Alaskan scandal. Whew, that was close.
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) -- Trying to head off a potentially embarrassing state ethics report on GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, campaign officials released their own report Thursday that clears her of any wrongdoing.
I think I will hit the sack as well.
Good night Sandy and Johne.
Wow, everyone is clearing themselves today. Is it honesty day?
gregg on October 9, 2008 at 11:29 PM
gregg,
And what's sad is that's probably exactly what he's going to do tomorrow.
Did you notice today that the G-7 ignored Paulson's call for a meeting of the G-20. I'm not too certain, but I think they are going to meet with China and leave us out of the G-7 meeting, too.
Spunky may need to volunteer for the next Chinese space probe. He's going to be such political and social piranha that no world leader will ever give him an audience again.
Bush might as well just step out into that great nothingness and embrace his future...and take McCain and Palin with him.
Johne on October 9, 2008 at 11:55 PM
Pontius Pilate did the same thing.
WAUKESHA, Wis. (AP) -- Republican presidential candidate John McCain said Thursday that questions about Democratic rival Barack Obama's association with a former war protester linked to Vietnam-era bombings are part of a broader issue of honesty.
McCain: Obama link to ex-radical is honesty issue
How about your lies about his involvement in a hate Israel group? How about your lies about your involvement with the Keating five? How about your lies about your behavior while a prisoner in Hanoi? How about your lies about vetting palin?
How about your lies about Obama?
mccain, shut your piehole and get lost.
Esmeralda on October 9, 2008 at 11:07 PM
What? They just announce today they are shutting down, 26 days before an election to update their databases, we have 10's of thousands being purged from the swing states and the MSM wants to talk about some people that filled out too many forms?
Certainly Obama Team is on this one, they aren't going to put up with this shit. I'll guarentee you that.
1998 - $0.993
It was a very good year unless you were Linda What's Her Face of the slimy black dress.
I'm calling it a day, too.
Good night, all.
How about your lies about his involvement in a hate Israel group? This should read "How about YOUR lies about your involvement in the hate Israel group."
evening Sandy,
mccain talking about honesty is hilarious. He and palin lie all the time. They are pathological liars like bush and cheney. Are all neocons pathological liars. I know they are all pedophiles.
Goodnight Sandy.
NEWSJUNKIE, All states where voter purging has taken place should be eliminated from the vote and not counted.
All the other states should be counted vote for vote and the winner should be by popular vote. To hell with electoral votes.
Of course, the supreme court would probably disagree with this and appoint mccain. Then we would have a decision to make whether to march on Washington and demand redress.
for sally and all the racists whose last hope is the bradley effect:
"PRINCETON, NJ -- While 6% of voters say they are less likely to vote for Barack Obama because of his race, 9% say they are more likely to vote for him, making the impact of his race a neutral to slightly positive factor when all voters' self-reported attitudes are taken into account...."
very interesting indeedy-do,
http://www.gallup.com/poll/111049/Obamas-Race-May-Much-Plus-Minus.aspx
John, Barack is soo organized, I guess community organizing not only helps communities, without a govt. paycheck, but also teaches one how to organize. With the team he has and his knowledge of the constitution, I'll bet he will be sending people down to take a look at this. Possibly filing a lawsuit.
The state that appears to have purged two for every new registration, if true, there is a stinker there for sure.
By law, I thought they can't purge anyone already on the rolls 90 days before the election.
I guess we will see what happens.
Make-Believe Maverick
This is one of the best pieces I have every read. This is a small excerpt. You can find the rest over at Truthout
Thursday 16 October 2008
by: Tim Dickinson, Rolling Stone
A closer look at the life and career of John McCain reveals a disturbing record of recklessness and dishonesty.
At Fort McNair, an army base located along the Potomac River in the nation's capital, a chance reunion takes place one day between two former POWs. It's the spring of 1974, and Navy commander John Sidney McCain III has returned home from the experience in Hanoi that, according to legend, transformed him from a callow and reckless youth into a serious man of patriotism and purpose. Walking along the grounds at Fort McNair, McCain runs into John Dramesi, an Air Force lieutenant colonel who was also imprisoned and tortured in Vietnam.
McCain is studying at the National War College, a prestigious graduate program he had to pull strings with the Secretary of the Navy to get into. Dramesi is enrolled, on his own merit, at the Industrial College of the Armed Forces in the building next door.
There's a distance between the two men that belies their shared experience in North Vietnam - call it an honor gap. Like many American POWs, McCain broke down under torture and offered a "confession" to his North Vietnamese captors. Dramesi, in contrast, attempted two daring escapes. For the second he was brutalized for a month with daily torture sessions that nearly killed him. His partner in the escape, Lt. Col. Ed Atterberry, didn't survive the mistreatment. But Dramesi never said a disloyal word, and for his heroism was awarded two Air Force Crosses, one of the service's highest distinctions. McCain would later hail him as "one of the toughest guys I've ever met."
On the grounds between the two brick colleges, the chitchat between the scion of four-star admirals and the son of a prizefighter turns to their academic travels; both colleges sponsor a trip abroad for young officers to network with military and political leaders in a distant corner of the globe.
"I'm going to the Middle East," Dramesi says. "Turkey, Kuwait, Lebanon, Iran."
"Why are you going to the Middle East?" McCain asks, dismissively.
"It's a place we're probably going to have some problems," Dramesi says.
"Why? Where are you going to, John?"
"Oh, I'm going to Rio."
"What the hell are you going to Rio for?"
McCain, a married father of three, shrugs.
"I got a better chance of getting laid."
Dramesi, who went on to serve as chief war planner for U.S. Air Forces in Europe and commander of a wing of the Strategic Air Command, was not surprised. "McCain says his life changed while he was in Vietnam, and he is now a different man," Dramesi says today. "But he's still the undisciplined, spoiled brat that he was when he went in."
You know, I don't know why the McCain camp bothers trying to link Sen. Obama with anyone when we Democrats have the best ammo of all, we just link McCain with the biggest 'terrist' that ever lived - that's right, the one, the only, DUB!
Just keep punching home that McCain was all for the invasion and occupation of Iraq. He, like Dub, was 'convinced' that we would be greated as "liberators."
Talk about "pallin' around" with bad company and exercising poor judgement! Yep, McCain wins the prize for having the worst and most embarrassing buds.
Hybrid! Wow - I haven't 'seen' you in forever! What is your 'rant' for today? Mine? I want Sen. Obama to look J. McCain in the eye at the next debate and say something like "John, can you please - in simple but exact terms - enumerate the exact definition of 'victory' in Iraq. What benchmarks have a 'realistic' chance of being met that have not yet been met? Please explain for me and the taxpayers who are all footing the bill for this. What is left to be done that has a chance of being done and how will leaving our troops in harms way help to accomplish this? Wouldn't that be a fun question?
Hello Marymac_memphis,
How is everything? I sincerely hope you are out of the market. The Japanese market is collapsing down 10% at opening.
Last week I went to the library and read 25-30 papers on obscure economics and learned the senate and the president knew about this down fall for over two years.
The overall debt level is $64 Trillion. The current default are on $6-$10 Trillion of these toxic Credit Debt Swaps. For all intensive purpose these are insurance on Mortgage
Backed Securities. The market has disposed of enough asset to secure $1.5 trillion of the debt and require another $6 to $8 Trillion to clear all the debt. That means the market can go down to Dow 6000 to 7000. The $700 Billion bought the USA 10 to 12 months of time in interest payments before full-out default set's in. I think the way they are selling and clearing assets the USA market may reach it goals of clearing the debts before the liquidity runs out.
I hope this information is useful. Please protect yourself.
Marymac,
I missed you too. For some reason it was very difficult for me to log on the last several months.
Well...my neighbors elected me to the Democratic precinct officer. It was by accident. I was at the Democratic caucus and I sat next to the ballots. Since I arranged many of the functions for the neighborhood; the group asked me to be the precinct representative. Well they signed me up. Next thing you know I am on the ballot to be the Democratic Precinct Officer for this area.
I need to clean up my act for certain!
Bless my neighbors for thinking my potty mouth is useful in combating the republicans.
Thanks Hybrid. I will pass along that info; however, I am actually in good shape but I do appreciate your thinking of me and for sharing your hard earned research. In anticipation of the Re-thugs winning, not only the White House, but retaining control of both houses of congress, I converted most everything that I had in the market to gold back in Dec. of 1999. I figured that I could convert back if I was wrong. All of my retirement and 401K accounts were switched to the same as regular passbook savings accounts.
Basically, I told anyone and everyone that would listen to me that we would be at war within Bush's first term and he would destroy the economy by the end of his second term. None of my republican friends want to run into me right now! LOL
I try not to rub it in too much - just a little 'jab' now and again hee, hee, hee!
Mary,
My district has couple hundred people with about 30% Democrats, 30% Republicans and 30% indepentents.
I was able to convert some 8 people in my district from republicans to become independents and support democratic candidates. I think that OK; to be able to convert 4% of my voting public to become independents from being republicans and supporting democratic candidates.
I've been walking door to door and softly talking to people. If you saw me in person, you woulding think I am who I am. In person I am quite mild, according to my wife. ...but on-line at a blog, my alternate personality kicks in!!
I hope you are doing well.
Congratulations! That is great. My friends and neighbors would never even consider electing me to any position. My temper is almost as bad as McCain's and my husband has (jokingly) threatened to put a muzzle on me. He's Mr. Laid Back and I'm the one running around and yelling and stressing! We make a great pair!
Hi Mary,
Yup, same with me, I am all cash or T-bills. Don't go back into the market until it drops below 7000, OK? Things are going to get much worst before getting better.
I heard gold and a shovel is the next stock trend. IE. Digging a hole in the back yard to bury the gold!
I'll give you the same advice that my husband has given me: "Honey," he says as gently as possible, "you have a better chance of getting them to listen to your point of view if you don't scream at them and call them stupid fools or idiots." "They respond much better if you hear them out first and them keep your voice conversational while you respectfully disagree with them."
To which I usually respond "I know - I know!" and stomp off.
It's really kind of funny. He just shakes his head and smiles. He told one groupd "That's what I first fell in love with - her passion."
I know that you were joking about the 'gold and shovel' thing but honestly about 6 or 7 months ago, I converted a small amount (a few hundred dollars) to gold coin which I keep in the gun safe - just in case. What is happening right now is absolutely unprecidented in the history of this country and I just feel better being as prepared as possible. Call me crazy but it's what helps me sleep with less worry.
Heck between you and me, we respond better to the hard facts.
I sincerely hope everyone is doing well at this webblog.
It seems there are less trolls.
Mary, and Hybridfuel,
Hybridfuel, I too thank you for the info. Mary, did you go to the debate in Nashville? My sister bought 14 gold coins in 1999 right before the millienum for about 300 a piece, in June they were at 850. I should have bought gold also.
I love the new spell checker red line thingy, except ever since I moved to the south, I have lost all touch with my vowels. If I listen to Palin speak anymore I will lose all sense of a sentence.
On to a different subject, have you been watching the 'spot on' imitations of S. Palin by Tina Fey on SNL.
We had gone out to dinner with some friends and I told everyone that we had to go home early to watch it. A waiter overheard me and came over and told me not to worry, they had it on in the bar! The whole restaurant stopped what they were doing - customers, waiters, bar tenders, chefs, everyone - and we all crowded into the bar area to watch it. It was so great!
News: I am actually closer to Ole Miss than I am to Nashville; but, I was unable to go to either debate. I did; however, go out to the airport here in Memphis and have the opportunity to shake hands with Sen. Obama after his plane landed. This is going to sound corny but it's almost like he is surrounded by a corona or something etheral. I got to shake hands with President Clinton and by accident - not design - with Pres. Reagan and never have I had such a profound sense of goodness as I did when I met Sen. Obama. I hope everyone of Sen. Obama's supporters gets the chance to shake his hand or meet him in person. It's not something that you will easily forget!
Well guys - it's 1:00 AM here, and I have to work tomorrow.
News - it is always a pleasure and Hybrid, try to come around more often. I enjoy your posts and I usually learn a lot from you!
Obama/Biden '08 and '12!
Mary, It is really bad. Some of the people I know who were working the trading floor for 20 years and had to take all the options trade were scared. These guys are never scared, they had billions backing their trades. They were the 7-11's of midnight beer sales and they got scared.
They were the ones who told reluctantly told me and verified what I had read was real.
These people made 80,000 to 150,000 trades per day are getting scared.
So, I figured if they are scared, I better get