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Morning Again, Dems!
just a little repost from last night's.
REMEMBER, even should McCain come out of this looking good, IT WILL NOT MATTER !
Trailing in every recent national poll, McCain heads into the debate with more ground to cover. ``With McCain's challenge getting tougher and tougher each day, the potential effectiveness of attacks by McCain gets less,'' said Charlie Cook, editor of the nonpartisan Cook Political Report in Washington. ``We're getting to the point when a campaign event isn't likely to alter the trajectory of the race
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20081007/pl_bloomberg/aeqhidejpots;_ylt=AnKB4.utjOeFT.1h1C4cUUxsnwcF
In tonight's debate: we all know McCreep will come out swinging...hard. Here's what I'd like to see Obama do in the first 3 minutes....
Take a good long hard look at McNuts. Smile. And then simply say - You know John, in the last debate, all you did was attack me. Since then all of your ads have also attacked me. You haven't come out with one plan to the American people to tell them what you're going to do to fix this broken country. I'm not wasting one more minute or one more second here tonight with attacks that the American people don't want to hear. They need plans and they need answers and tonight from me, that's what I intend to give them."
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Come out with a challenge; John, let's both agree right here and right now with a hand shake that from tonight until the election, we will cease all negative ads. Would you shake my hand on that?
If he doesn't do that - then go after the son of a bitch.
Good morning, all.
You know what is nutty and socialist? The Republican Party.
The Republicans' "deregulation, greed is good" philosophy resulted in the Fed having to loan companies money today to meet payroll.
They have brought this nation and capitalism to its knees. These friggin' old men don't have any idea what they are doing.
The Republicans destroyed our military strength with the Iraqi occupation. They destroyed our national security by staffing Homeland Security with a bunch of Brownies. They destroyed our banking system and economy with their deregulation. They destroyed our Middle Class standard of living with privatization and outsourcing. They destroyed our Bill of Rights with domestic spying and legalization of torture.
McCain is vigorously advocating the destruction of our social safety nets like Social Security, Unemployment Insurance, and now the most frightening proposal...Medicare...with our economy in a economic meltdown?
Nutty and socialist is OK when it helps save McCain and the Republicans necks in an election year. But the American worker must bite the bullet with foreclosures and pink slips? We must accept the elimination of the very safety nets we have worked to fund with own earnings, so the Lehman Brothers can have golden parachutes?
Nutty and socialist...that's the McCain/Palin Agenda.
Enough of this Republican corporate socialism. Let's get back to creating Capitalism in this country not exporting our assets to other countries for multinationals to squander among the world's wealthy.
McCain isn't concerned about the American Middle Class. I hope somebody in the audience asks him where his wife has been investing the family's income in the last 10 years....I bet it wasn't been in the United States.
I think tonight McGeez is going to be over the top out of control and will say anything. I hope this doesn't happen because if it does, I think all hell will break out in this country. Every time I think of Sarah and what she is going around saying about Obama - I get so damned pissed. You hear a person yell "kill" at a McSane rally yesterday... I think it's getting so far out of control that both candidates need to chill and that goes for all the rotten ads they're running.
I'm sick of it.
Morning Kathy,
the trouble with this debate is, it is Town Hall. That is where the people in the audience get up one by one and ask questions, so it will be hard for Obama to face McCain and confront him. He will have to do it in his ability to follow up to the answers given by McCain. Now McCain is said to have an advantage in this type of debate, so let's see how the old man looks tonight. I hope that Barack can stand up when McCain does, so his height is emphasized, and it makes McCain look small and old ! Lots of people go by visuals.
Kathy- I was very sorry to hear about your Dad. Unfortunately, during the time of your loss, I was unable to post. Please accept my late condolences, and know that my thoughts were with you. I have been keeping Jacqueline, Chassie and you in my prayers.
Every time I think of Sarah and what she is going around saying about Obama - I get so damned pissed. You hear a person yell "kill" at a McSane rally yesterday... I think it's getting so far out of control that both candidates need to chill and that goes for all the rotten ads they're running.
I'm sick of it.
5Screwum on October 7, 2008 at 10:37 AM
You know, Kathy, if that were a Democrat yelling that about McCain at a Rally, the RNC, McCain campaign, the NRCC and NRSC would all have ads out today showing that over and over and over! The Dems are still far too placid and try and play too nice! Like you, I say Screwum, and show up exactly what they really are like!
Pam - you're so honestly mean and I'm loving it. Yes, let's hope Obama and McAngry are standing together... ol' Johnny boy will look more pasty then he usually does... give that man a Ronald Reagan make-up please so he doesn't look half dead.
Eric Mink
St. Louis Post-Dispatch
At risk in America
More and more, you're the one carrying the load
...Nothing I've read better explains these fundamental contemporary Americans anxieties than "High Wire: the Precarious Financial Lives of American Families," by Peter Gosselin, the national economics correspondent for the Los
Angeles Times...Finally, Gosselin rejects the notion that America’s reverence for individualism prohibits society and government from protecting people from some of the unpredictable risks of life. In one of the very earliest documents of the American experience, the Mayflower Compact, settlers from England agreed to forgo some rights as individuals for “the general good of the colony.” And 167 years later, the Founding Fathers declared that the purpose of the U.S. Constitution was to “promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessing of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.”
Americans today did not decide to accept greater risk for the possibility of a greater reward. Americans did not choose to unravel the fabric of protections woven from the devastating experiences of the Great Depression. There was no debate and discussion about these things. They were imposed on us by the champions of unchecked market power, and the scale has swung wildly out of balance.
As a result, we and our families are more vulnerable to serious setbacks that we can’t control. Those setbacks are harder and harder to recover from - if we can recover at all. Whatever else you call that, it is not the American dream.
http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/the-platform/campaign-2008/2008/10/mink-column-at-risk-in-america-youre-the-one-carrying-the-load/
Did the Pilgrims and Founding Fathers say, "It's everyman for themselves?"
That's what McCain and Palin are telling us. It's not the American way or Country First.
Oh Cate - thank you so much. It's strang that the three of us are going through this at the same time.
I'm ok - it's the circle of life. My father was 93, had a great life and joked right up to the end. I should hope to go as he did.
My family is now all gone. I try to keep busy. It was a long goodbye. I'm still not sure if I have mourned through out this year or if that is still to come.
I want to get busy in the community with the party again but I'm finding I don't have the will any more. Perhaps I'm just burnt out..I'm looking forward to the end of this election and hopefully, we can put our country back together again. Eight years has been a long long time.
You know----when Republicans lead this nation at time of Military force, they f**k us up royally! Admit it Republicans, you do not know how to win wars !!!
UN Agrees Afghan War Cannot Be Won Militarily
Pam - you're right about the repukes. If it were someone in our crowd saying "rape that bitch" - we'd probably have the CIA and the FBI screening everyone in the crowd!
Kathy,
Obama needs to turn every parley back to his Middle Class Agenda. He should use humor to deflect attacks; and yes, stand tall and composed.
McCain is going to be performing tonight, but he doesn't have the acting skills to pull it off with an impartial audience. This is not going to be his typical town hall meeting packed with Republian stooges.
McCain is going into this debate overconfident without an agenda that pertains to the current economic circumstances this country now faces. He's going to repeat copy points and pander.
Americans are looking for assurance not bravado. McCain's strategy will seem stilted and insincere. Obama needs only to connect with voters. He will not fall into any trap because he can think on his feet.
If McCain is so stupid as to try to pull another stunt, it will land dead on arrival. People are looking for stability tonight not mavericky irresponsibility.
McCain has never been held to a higher standard in his life. Tonight he will be.
Gotta run. later.
McCain is using a mob mentality for his campaign.
The McCain and Palin campaign are the true terrorists.
Both McCain and Palin whip all their supporters into a frenzy in very much the same way as Hitler did in Germany.
That's the reason why McCain and Palin attract neo-Nazis and the extreme right-wing.
If it were someone in our crowd saying "rape that bitch" - we'd probably have the CIA and the FBI screening everyone in the crowd!
Screwum on October 7, 2008 at 10:58 AM
This weekend it was revealed that this is just what the Bush administration has authorized the Justice Department to do ...pre-emptively...without any facts. All they need now is a suspicion or maybe just their own political agenda which they want to pursue as the reason.
The Founders would be furious. The Constitution is just a piece of paper for Republicans to ignore or tear up at will.
I think the article discussing this was in either the Washington Post or Los Angeles Times. I didn't hear anyone in the broadcast media talking about it...as usual.
LMAO.
NAIROBI, Kenya - The American author of a best-selling book attacking Barack Obama as unfit for the presidency was being deported from Kenya on Tuesday, a criminal investigations official said.
Jerome Corsi, who wrote "The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality," was picked up by police Tuesday for not having a work permit, said Carlos Maluta, a senior immigration official in charge of investigations.
He was briefly detained at immigration headquarters before being brought to Jomo Kenyatta International Airport for deportation, said Joseph Mumira, head of criminal investigations at Jomo Kenyatta International Airport.
It was not immediately clear when he would fly out. A message left on Corsi's mobile phone was not returned.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/ap_on_re_af/af_kenya_obama_author_detained
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SandyH on October 7, 2008 at 10:51 AM
This is part of our heritage that the right wingers are choosing to ignore.
Although they claim to be "social conservatives" they are turning their back on the history of how our country was built in favor of the everyone for themselves culture that would have made it impossible for anyone to survive in early America.
The loners did not last long, often falling prey to illness or accident with no one to take care of them.
The early communities, like Plymouth Colony, were realistic enough to know that they needed to support each other.
This tradition came into the 20th century as Granges, where farmers would band together to fight unfair railroad shipping prices, and continues in the form of co-ops, rural electric co-ops, among others, labor unions and credit unions.
"Social conservativism", as the Republicans call their "me-first" economic policies is neither social, conservative, nor traditional.
Kathy, just learned of your loss.
I hope those memories of him that bring you joy also provide you with great comfort at this time.
Good morning / afternoon, all!
So, Grampy McGrumpy thought he could change the subject from the economy to smears and it would help him?
Not going to happen this time. That kitchen sink won't fly.
Obama's "rapid response" team is Johnny on the spot, as opposed to McLame-o being "Johnny full of snot".
Kathy, As someone who has lost her parents, I can tell you that you won't have energy for a while, grieving takes the energy, but it will return. You have a big hole in your life right now, and it will take time to heal.
Know my prayers are with you.
GOP presidential nominee John McCain has past connections to a private group that supplied aid to guerrillas seeking to overthrow the leftist government of Nicaragua in the Iran-Contra affair.
The U.S. Council for World Freedom was part of an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America. The group was dedicated to stamping out communism around the globe.
The council's founder, retired Army Maj. Gen. John Singlaub, said McCain became associated with the organization in the early 1980s as McCain was launching his political career in Arizona. Singlaub said McCain was a supporter but not an active member in the group.
yelling 'kill him!' at a political rally is completely and utterly unacceptable behavior. the authorities should identify and arrest the person who said this and should monitor all future palin events. it seems that since the denver convention occurence the media has decided to keep quite for fear of further inciting similar actions. i'm not sure whether or not this is a good decision, but screwum is correct. in the event of such an unthinkable autrocity, our nation could very well follow mclame and dipshit palin over the edge.
If the country ever needed new direction under a fresh, steady, calm president, this is the time. Sen. Barack Obama is the country's hope, the kind of promising, intelligent leader who comes along perhaps once in a generation.
Obama is the best candidate for president. He has the vision, patience and fortitude to put America on a track to recovery after an eight-year run of financial irresponsibility, aggressive adventurism abroad and mismanagement, secrecy and dissembling on numerous fronts.
The issues and the superiority of the Obama-Joe Biden team have become clearer than ever in the past few days. Obama spoke the unvarnished truth when he called the need for a record-breaking economic rescue plan a "final judgment." It was a sweeping verdict not just on the disastrous presidency of George W. Bush but also on the Republican deregulatory obsessions that Sen. John McCain has shared broadly.
I don't want to give currency to this sewage, so it will remain below the fold. And I'll try to devote the lion's share of my time to the issues--the war, the economic crisis, the fraying health insurance system, the environment--that should define this campaign. But what a desperate empty embarrassment the McCain campaign has become.
The people that voted social issues in the last two presidential elections thought that if they voted for a candidate that said he was against abortion, then they could vote their way to heaven.
The most segregated hour in america is 11 o'clock Sunday morning. Most Evangellicals are racists, hiding behind god. They are some of the meanest people you never want to meet.
Just look at palin and how vile she is, all the while claiming to be christian. This is the new face of christianity and it is very scary.
A new Washington Post-ABC News poll, however, shows that Obama now has the advantage in Ohio because more voters believe he would be a better steward of the economy. McCain still has the edge on leading the U.S. fight against terrorism and the Iraq war, but fewer voters identify those as top issues.
Other polls of battleground states, these by CNN/Time magazine/Opinion Research Corp., underscore the challenge for McCain in Indiana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio and Wisconsin. The only one of those states where McCain enjoys a lead is Indiana, where 51 percent of likely voters say they back him compared to 46 percent for Obama. But that's a slim margin, especially when you consider that Bush carried the state by 21 percentage points four years ago.
But what do exspect from a red state where the KKK is still in full swing.....
Hey thanks everyone. It was tough losing my Dad. He was my rock. But one thing is for sure, I have his fire and some say his wit...(don't know about that).. he lives within me.
But thanks again.
On another note - is anyone anyone else nervous about tonight? I am - don't know why....
Kathy, have you heard about the ongoing voter suppression antics the Pugs are pulling in Lake County?
Kathy,
I had no idea that you had lost a loved one. My thoughts and prayers are with you. Take time for yourself and grieve. It's healing and restoring.
There is a new AFTERNOON OPEN THREAD.
Biden really made sense at his debate. When the middle class does well, the wealthy do well also.
Economics is a very simple study, because it is common sense. When a "market" has jobs, they have money to buy products from the seller/manufacturers. When you give take breaks to the top and say, that will provide more money to hire more workers, that is not true. When you are against minimum wage increases for 12 years, when you are at maximum productivity per worker with flat wages, when you have jobs going overseas for cheap labor, when your market doesn't have money to spend, then ultimately your business will fail, no matter how many tax breaks you received.
Obama and Biden understand this basic economic truth. Great societies are when all share in the wealth, it is a long term simple win win for all.
A handful of people didn't really care about america or the world. They wanted short term multibillion dollar gains on a scam they knew would fail. They don't care cause they already got theirs.
Bush is on TV this second, saying if people can't borrow money then they don't have the money to spend. No sir, if people don't make a living wage, then they don't have money to spend. There is where you are still so wrong. Don't let the door hit you in the ass, sir.
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