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This is how the Red States govern themselves:
Idaho ranked a dismal 44th in the nation in an "integrity index" released by the Chicago-based Better Government Association.
Idaho's score was a mixed bag — its whistleblower law tied for ninth in the nation, while its open meeting law ranked 44th. But Idaho's low ranking can be attributed in large part to lawmakers who have been unwilling to police themselves.
Idaho was one of one three states to score a "perfect" zero on conflict-of-interest issues, a well-earned mark. Idaho legislators — citizen lawmakers who spend nine months of the year working their day jobs — are not required to file reports saying who they work for, who their clients are, or where they invest their money.
http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2008/11/19/krichert/when_lawmakers_wont_police_themselves
hey blue good to see you.
bush is having his piglets rush through as many ways to screw the environment, workers, etc. as possible at the last minute. but according to this page from kos there is a way to undo all this crap...i reprint some of it below so we can all be educated about it and begin to push each and every congressional rep and senator to get on this as soon as the swearing in is over....otherwise regulations that were fought for over decades will be wiped out by these evil friggin monsters:
"...So, what options, beyond allowing these 130 rules to take effect, and spending years fighting to reverse them, will Barack Obama have? The Congressional Review Act, ironically enacted by Republicans to thwart Bill Clinton:
The Congressional Review Act set up a process in which Congress has 60 session days to review and possibly reject agency rules...
If a Congress member finds a rule objectionable, he/she can introduce a "resolution of disapproval."
The Act prescribes special expedited procedures, which limit debate in the House and ban a Senate filibuster, for consideration of the resolution...
If the motion to disapprove passes in both the House and Senate, and is then signed by the president, the rule essentially disappears. Even if it has already taken effect, the agency that issued it can no longer enforce the regulation or defend it in court. Furthermore, the agency is banned from pushing a similar version of the rule at a later date.
The Congressional Review Act has only been used once in the 12 years since it was enacted. Hopefully it will be used about 130 times when the 111th Congress convenes in January. Unless that would be too un-post-partisan-like..."
you know, i often wonder why these Blue dogs don't just call themselves centrist republicans!
looks like they got spanked!
In a stinging rebuke of the Blue Dog caucus, Henry Waxman has defeated John Dingell for Chairmanship of the House Energy and Commerce Committee.
Why, it seems like only yesterday the conservative Blue Dogs were sniffing that the Steering Committee which recommended Waxman were a bunch of unrepentant hippies who didn't reflect the overall makeup of the Democratic caucus. (In fact, it was.)
This is a huge defeat for the Blue Dogs, who have become the primary recipients of the massive corporate donations which used to flow to the Republicans. They were were hoping to use Dingell as a roadblock to keep any meaningful change from happening with regard to issues under the Committee's jurisdiction -- telecommunications and health care, energy and environmental protection, interstate commerce and consumer protection.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/waxman-defeats-dingall-bl_b_145213.html
the times they are a-changin ain't they pam?
indeedy-do, it's our turn to call some shots and watch the little piggies whine and squirm...and just in time!
Hey GregL, when you come in, yes, I went to the funeral of my past boss. The Giant Catholic cathedral was packed, with people standing in the back and around the sides. A great many people wanted to pay tribute to what was one of the most integral, finest men ever born. It was funny, praying for the salvation of his soul, when he was so close to the perfect man. He was a true success in his life and career. The world was a better place with him in it.
ya know i have to run but a final thought. rush won the senate majority for us back in 06 with his mocking of parkinson's disease victims and this year he helped us take the white house with his focus on having republicans cross over and vote for hillary and so forth....it will be really to his credit if we not only have obama as president but hillary as sec of state....funny though the other day rush was complaining about democrats having crossed over to give mcbush the nomination....ya just never know how things will turn out do ya??
hahahahahahahaha
well unless your sally:
"Here is a prediction I made "If the Republicans lose the House it will insure a Republican Presidential victory in 2008, because those Dems will behave like absolute asshats".
That one will still come true. And with Hillary bringing the ticket down the Republicans will probably re take the House as well.
Posted by TheWonderfulFrosty on January 24, 2008 at 12:26 AM"
god i love this shit!!
The Celebration of Devotion A Strategic Initiative Envisioned by Joe Brewer http://www.cognitivepolicyworks.com/what-we-do/strategic-initiative-on-prop-8Imagine a world where people celebrate the commitment of loving relationships. In this world we know that we are all in it together, that there are people we can depend on when times are tough. Through common cause we build a stable economic foundation with affordable, quality health care and secure jobs that pay living wages. The value of commitment resounds in our families where we want the best for our children through quality education and opportunities in life. And it starts with a basic emotional security that emerges when we find stable, supportive relationships with people who know how to love each other, express their commitments to one another, and demonstrate the kind of devotion we can trust through the best of times and the worst of times.
These relationships can be found in committed families across the nation. They are also found in the “extended family” of people we hold most dear though they are not blood relations. In the bonds that hold friendships together across a lifetime. Or the support we trust from our co-workers. These relationships are based in the bonds of humanity.
gregg on November 20, 2008 at 02:35 PM
Apparently the trolls don't realize that the bs they spew is forever immortalized on this blog.
Sort of like that idiot Congresswoman Bachman who thinks her previous words are urban legends. "You mean you can capture my words on tape??!"
You reap what you sow:
Focus on the Family announced yesterday afternoon that 202 jobs will be cut companywide — an estimated 20 percent of its workforce. Initial reports bring the total number of remaining employees to around 950.
Focus on the Family is poised to announce major layoffs to its Colorado Springs-based ministry and media empire today. The cutbacks come just weeks after the group pumped more than half a million dollars into the successful effort to pass a gay-marriage ban in California.
http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/proposition-8-forces-focus-family-mas
They lost in every way imaginable, on every political front. The symbol of their anti-gay crusade, Colorado congresswoman Marilyn Musgrave, was beheaded. The party that had made so much hay running against Mexicans saw noted anti-immigration crusader Bill Sali of Idaho ousted along with several other members of the Immigration Reform Caucus. The GOP's grasp on the so-called "moral values" issue likewise went up in roaring flames, with Rep. Vito Fossella of Staten Island the poster child — his morals were once so perfect that he refused to be seen with his gay sister, and now he's a national joke, bounced after being caught drunk driving and having unprotected, babymaking sex with a married Air Force officer.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/24375710/requiem_for_a_maverick
"You mean you can capture my words on tape??!"BlueinIdaho on November 20, 2008 at 02:46 PM
Witchcraft! Heresy! Call the Inquisitors!
Good afternoon, Bob. Still denying you're a progressive? :)
GregL on November 20, 2008 at 03:04 PM
He's a closet progressive with some latent conservative issues. :)
PamB on November 20, 2008 at 02:08 PM
The Democratic majority does not exist without the Blue Dogs. And while we are a minority within this party, as the vote you cite indicates, I respectfully remind our liberal Democrat colleagues that there will not be a single piece of legislation that is passed without the majority support of the Blue Dog caucus. Remember who your friends are. And calling your friends "Republicans", especially in this political climate, is not conducive to friendly relationships which is necessary for good governance.
gregg, yes, times are achanging, indeedy!
There is a grassroots movement that started a couple years ago, voted in Obama and is continuing to swell!
I have high hopes for an Obama administration, watching him choose his cabinet. He is choosing a lot of old Clinton people, and we all know how sucessful that 8 year era was. It will be good to return to Peace, Prosperity, Security, Environment interest, and international respect.
GregL on November 20, 2008 at 03:04 PM
I only play one on TV. ;-)
I wish the candidate would discuss global poverty more. According to The Borgen Project:
$30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.
$540 billion: Annual U.S. Defense Budget
Good afternoon, all!
Well, as Rev, Bill once said, the defacation has just hit the ventilation.
2 MEGA car dealerships in the area have shut their doors due to lack of buyers who can't get loans because the banks aren't parting with 1 cent of that $700,000,000,000.00 that Paulson threw their way.
These places ran full page ads in all the newspapers and advertised heavily on all the local TV and radio stations.
That means all those media companies will see a loss of revenue starting this week.
All the salesmen, bookkeepers, finance people, mechanics, body shop crew, parts department workers, valets, and all the rest are suddenly out of jobs.
I guess the Pug "trickle down" theory does work. The only thing wrong with it is that only the misery is trickling down.
Question for you, Bob. Do the Blue Dogs support the continuation of the outsourcing of government responsibilities such as disaster management, infrastructure construction and maintenance, military protection, etc. to private corporations at outlandish fees with little to no oversight of the actions of said corporations?
Nov. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Pope Benedict XVI was the first to predict the crisis in the global financial system, a ``prophecy'' dating to a paper he wrote when he was a cardinal, Italian Finance Minister Giulio Tremonti said.``The prediction that an undisciplined economy would collapse by its own rules can be found'' in an article written by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who became pope in April 2005, Tremonti said yesterday at Milan's Cattolica University.
German-born Ratzinger in 1985 presented a paper entitled ``Market Economy and Ethics'' at a Rome event dedicated to the Church and the economy. The future pope said a decline in ethics ``can actually cause the laws of the market to collapse.''
Pope Benedict in an Oct. 7 speech reflected on crashing markets and concluded that ``money vanishes, it is nothing'' and warned that ``the only solid reality is the word of God.''
The Vatican's official newspaper, l'Osservatore Romano, on the same day criticized the free-market model for having ``grown too much and badly in the past two decades.''
To contact the reporters on this story: Flavia Krause-Jackson in Rome at fjackson@bloomberg.net; Lorenzo Totaro at in London or ltotaro@bloomberg.net
Last Updated: November 20, 2008 05:54 EST
Chalk one up for the Holy Father. That is how you make a predicition, "Sally".
GregL on November 20, 2008 at 03:23 PM
While I am not is a position to speak for the Congressional Blue Dogs, I can honestly say this Blue Dog certainly does not. American jobs for American workers should be our motto.
However, give me a little time to look into that for you to see what the official position is.
Bob, you see the issues that the Blue Dogs were trying to block in that article above?
My Main contention with the Blue Dogs and other Democrats that feel they should be Centrist,is this. To me, it is a matter of mis-information that the constituents vote in these guys on. NO Democrat has ever said they are going to take away guns. Every Democrat has recited that Abortion should be rare, but available as a choice, and education is the first key to decreasing it. Democrats ARE christians, Republicans try and pretend they are not in an effort to win their own votes.
All the good things about this country were put in place by Liberal left wing Democrats. If only everyone knew that.
Oh, it's not a matter of whether the jobs are for American workers, Bob. I mean privateering. Hiring Halliburton to build roads, bridges, etc. Hiring Blackwater to provide security. Slashing the federal budget of protective agencies like the FDA and the EPA and allowing corporations to police themselves, run their own drug trials, write their own reports on the environmental hazards for their projects. The jobs are here in the U.S., but they are not being performed by the people to whom WE have entrusted the duty. Instead we pay, with our common wealth, corporations who have no accountability to us, whose responsibility is to make a profit for the shareholders and the board and not to protect and empower the population at large. This must end. All the things that were wrought by FDR and his successors, all the good that was done, all the things taken for granted by "Joe the American" are in danger of being swept away.
The Blue Dog Coalition - who celebrated 13 years of leadership in 2008 - has built a reputation as a serious player in the policy arena, promoting positions which bridge the gap between ideological extremes. Many of the group's policy proposals have been praised as fair, responsible, and positive additions to a Congressional environment too often marked as partisan and antagonistic.The 47 conservative and moderate Democrats in the group hail from every region of the country, although the group acknowledges some southern ancestry which accounts for the group's nickname. Taken from the South's longtime description of a party loyalist as one who would vote for a yellow dog if it were on the ballot as a Democrat, the "Blue Dog" moniker was taken by members of The Coalition because their moderate-to-conservative-views had been "choked blue" by their party in the years leading up to the 1994 election.
The Coalition was formed in the 104th Congress as a policy-oriented group to give moderate and conservative Democrats in the House of Representatives a common sense, bridge-building voice within the institution.
Most agree that, since then, the Blue Dogs have successfully injected a moderate viewpoint into the Democratic Caucus, where group members now find greater receptiveness to their opinions. In fact, the continuing political success of "Blue Pups" in the 1998, 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2006 elections points to the public's approval of the centrist, fiscally responsible message represented by The Coalition. Since 1996, 24 Blue Dogs won their seats by defeating a Republican incumbent.
The Coalition has been particularly active on fiscal issues, relentlessly pursuing a balanced budget and then protecting that achievement from politically popular "raids" on the budget. Past Coalition budgets have won the endorsement of the nonpartisan Concord Coalition and multiple newspaper and magazine editorials. As one column pointed out, the Blue Dogs have proven that "common sense, conservative economics and compassion aren't necessarily mutually exclusive."
Blue Dog Coalition proposals have served as middle-ground markers which laid the foundation for the bipartisanship necessary to bring about fundamental reforms, and helped set into law policies reflecting the "common sense, conservative compassion" so often attached to the group's efforts.
In the 110h Congress, the Coalition intends to continue to make a difference in Congress by forging middle-ground, bipartisan answers to the current challenges facing the Country. A top priority will be to refocus Congress on balancing the budget and ridding taxpayers of the burden the debt places on them. The group also expects to be involved in a variety of issues, where the stale extreme left vs. right approach requires a breath of fresh air.
GregL, that statement is a bit vague as to the question you asked however, I would hope, and lobby for, a bit of patriotism injected into policy positions and decisions.
Oh, that should be "Instead we pay, with our common wealth, NO BID contracts to corporations..."
Lobby, Bob? Eeek! Isn't lobbying EVIL, according to our radical lefties? :)
maryna1 on November 20, 2008 at 03:16 PM
We'll take care of the world once we get our own house in order. As long as there is one hungry or homeless American, the world will have to wait, IMHO.
Free Fall
Wednesday 19 November 2008
by: Robert Borosage, Campaign for America's Future
Free fall. The U.S. has lost private sector jobs for 10 straight months. One quarter of all businesses in the U.S. plan to cut payroll over the next year. Retail sales fell in October by the largest monthly drop on record. Auto sales have collapsed, driving the auto companies towards the precipice. Unemployment is up to 6.1 percent, with most analysts predicting it will soar past 8 percent over the next year. (That translates into unemployment among young minority men at rates of 50 percent or more). States are now facing $100 billion in deficits in operating budgets for the next fiscal year. Twelve million homes are "under water," worth less than their mortgages. The U.S. has joined Germany and Japan in what is becoming a global recession.
"The era of big government is over" is over. In the crisis, we are, as Richard Nixon once said, "all Keynesians now." Former Clinton Treasury Secretaries Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers, until recently notable deficit hawks, now call for substantial fiscal stimulus - deficit-funded federal spending - to get the economy going.
Summers, whose alliterative guidelines for this year's earlier $150 billion stimulus - "timely, temporary and targeted" - helped to fix its mistaken focus on tax rebates, has changed his consonants. Now he says the stimulus should be "speedy, substantial and sustained," noting that some estimates on Wall Street have gone as high as "$500 to $700 billion." Rubin agreed, saying "we need a very substantial stimulus," while mumbling about needing to reduce the budget deficit over the longer run.
A major recovery program - featuring substantial public investment - will be inevitably the first initiative of the Obama administration. It should feature more spending than tax cuts - investing in renewable energy and conservation, in rebuilding everything from schools to bridges to a smart electric gird, in helping cities and states avoid crippling cuts of services, in keeping college affordable, providing health care to children, and aiding those most in need.
Our public investment needs can easily use the money. A stunning report by Eric Lotke at the Campaign for America's Future details the staggering investment deficits that have accumulated over the last 30 years. For decades, we've chosen to cut taxes on the wealthy while starving vital public investments. The result is an America that is literally falling apart, while much of the private wealth was squandered in the speculative frenzy that now has leveled our economy. Rather than adding to that folly, we should be focusing on strategic public investments that will put people to work in the short term while contributing to a more competitive economy, a better-educated citizenry and a cleaner environment.
Read the whole article:
Hi Bob and all of the other good Dems here today! I hope that you are all doing well - at least better than the auto-industry!
PamB on November 20, 2008 at 03:36 PM
While we agree in principle, it was President Eisenhower that started the Interstate Highway system. Only Nixon could go to China, President Ford ended the Vietnam War, and Presidents Reagan and Bush oversaw the collapse of the Soviet Union. Now while that sounds like an ad the GOP should be running it does make my point. To say all good things came from liberals is a bit ingenious, IMHO.
GregL on November 20, 2008 at 03:44 PM
Then we agree wholeheartedly. I hope the Blue Dog Caucus agree with us since they're the ones with the votes that count. I don't have any problem with some privatization as long as the subject is not national security and as long as it is American companies, based in the U.S., and using American employees. I have no problem with capitalism, as I'm sure you don't either, however, to me, well-regulated capitalism is the smartest way to go.
GregL on November 20, 2008 at 04:02 PM
I've certainly been called worse, old sport. ;-)
marymac_memphis on November 20, 2008 at 04:19 PM
Hello Mary. I certainly feel like the auto industry these days because I have more money going out than coming in. :-)
How are things in the great state of TN?
Bush finally achieves his full potential:
http://crooksandliars.com/silentpatriot/world-leaders-refuse-shake-bushs-han
HELENA - U.S. Sen. Jon Tester has not yet made a decision on the proposed $25 billion auto industry bailout, according to a release from his office Wednesday.
The first-term senator asked the three auto executives who appeared this week at a Senate Banking Committee hearing whether they'd be willing to accept a salary of $1 per year until their companies become profitable, according to a release from Tester's office about his remarks. The executives suggested they'd be amenable to that plan.
http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2008/11/20/news/local/news05.txt
Hi Bob - Did you happen to see the the white house news briefing earlier today? Dana Perino needs to be made sit in a corner with one of Bush's dirty socks stuffed into her mouth! She's gotten to be a bigger liar than Bible Spice!
According to an article published Thursday in the New York Times, "Iran has now produced roughly enough nuclear material to make, with added purification, a single atom bomb, according to nuclear experts."And where do the experts get their information from?
"The figures detailing Iran's progress were contained in a routine update on Wednesday from the International Atomic Energy Agency, which has been conducting inspections of the country's main nuclear plant at Natanz. The report concluded that as of early this month, Iran had made 630 kilograms, or about 1,390 pounds, of low-enriched uranium."
However, all hope is not lost...
This is why it's so important that the talks between the two sides succeed, for Israel's sake too. A negotiated settlement would be the best solution for Jerusalem. Not only because Israel has concerns about Iran's nuclear program. Also, because a US rapprochement with Iran in such a scenario, and the confidence building, could help find a solution over disputes in Lebanon and Gaza.
If talks fail, the US could also take unilateral sanctions, the most powerful of which could be sanctions against the Iranian Central Bank (Bank Markazi). With oil prices falling, and reports that Iran will face a $60 billion budget deficit next year, this may force Ayatollah Khamenei to take negotiations seriously.
One can not also help but notice that such reports help those who want a military solution. This may not be around the corner; however, it is there. Even when Obama enters office.
Many have accused the Democrats of being too timid and too compromising. That's not true. The difference with them is that they are likely to give negotiations a serious chance, before reaching out for their guns. And if they do, they won't do it alone. Just ask Slobodan Milosevic.
The writer is the co-author of The Nuclear Sphinx of Tehran - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the State of Iran, and runs the Middle East Economic and Political Analysis (Meepas).
www.MiddleEastAnalyst.com
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1226404789701&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
This article is from our good friends in Israel. As you can see, they are quite nervous about Iran having a nuclear weapon and righfully so considering the Iranian rhetoric. But like us, they are hoping for a negotiated solution. I sincerely hope President Obama is capable of a negotiated peace settlement with Iran, which I believe he is for the reasons cited in this article, because the alternative could very well be WW3.
Time for a Bank Holiday
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By William Greider
This article appeared in the December 8, 2008 edition of The Nation.
November 19, 2008
Henry Paulson's $700 billion plan to save the world is dead or dying, but the bailout was not killed by his arrogance or his grossly misleading claims about what the public's money would buy. The plan collapsed because it didn't work. The Treasury secretary has launched a PR offensive to revive his falling influence. Too late. The Democrats should be equally embarrassed. In September their leaders in Congress rushed to embrace the Paulson solution, no hard questions asked. They now claim they were duped.
Paulson's squad at Treasury pumped $250 billion into the largest banks, buying their stock at inflated prices on the assumption it would persuade investors to step forward with their capital too. Instead, savvy financial players realized Paulson was spitting into a high wind, trying to save a system with stout talk.
Here is the ugly, unofficial truth that neither Wall Street nor the government will acknowledge: the pinnacle of the US financial system is broke--with perhaps $2 trillion in rotten financial assets on the books. Nobody knows, exactly. The bankers won't say, and regulators won't ask, or at least don't dare tell the public. Official silence naturally feeds the conviction that banking's problems are far worse than we've been told. The Levy Economics Institute of Bard College puts it plainly: "It is probable that many and perhaps most financial institutions are insolvent today--with a black hole of negative net worth that would swallow Paulson's entire $700 billion in one gulp."
The scale of this disaster explains why the Treasury secretary had to abandon his original plan to buy up failed mortgages and other bad assets from the banks. If government paid the true value for these nearly worthless assets, the banks would have to write down huge losses or, as Levy economists put it, "announce to the world that they are insolvent." On the other hand, if Paulson pumps the purchase price high enough to protect the banks from losses, $700 billion "will buy only a tiny fraction of the 'troubled' assets."
Paulson was trapped by these circumstances (and his own mendacity). Each time he tried to change the script, market insiders became even more alarmed. Congress is trapped too. So is President-elect Obama. From the outset of the crisis, the essential fallacy shared by governing influentials has been a wishful assumption that quick interventions with tons of public money would somehow restore the system to "normal" without disturbing free-market principles. Replenished banks would start lending again and lead us to recovery. "Normal" is not going to happen. If the new president does not break free of the denial and act decisively, his administration will be dangerously compromised from the start.
Read the whole article:
marymac_memphis on November 20, 2008 at 04:39 PM
Indeed. Ms. Perino obviously has some pent up frustrations. Of course, it must be difficult for her to roll out there every day knowing that 75% of the nation thinks her boss, whom I think she believes in, is incompetent, at best.
BobVADemocratHawk on November 20, 2008 at 04:21 PM
Eisenhower would be burned at the stake by today's GOP, whoopdidoo about Nixon, the whole China thing has been just SOOOOOO good for the U.S., the Soviet Union was falling apart, neither Reagan nor Bush actually DID anything that crumbled it, and even so, again, HOW has THAT been good for the U.S.?
Not to MENTION that those men may have been Presidents, but laws are made by Congress, not by the President, no matter how much Dumbya wishes it to be otherwise. Show me the good laws passed by conserv...regressives?
later, I'm heading home.
Looking Back to Look ForwardNovember 19, 2008 : 3:04 PM
A new study suggests the Mayan civilization might have collapsed due to environmental disasters:
"'These models suggest that as ecosystems were destroyed by mismanagement or were transformed by global climatic shifts, the depletion of agricultural and wild foods eventually contributed to the failure of the Maya sociopolitical system,' writes environmental archaeologist Kitty Emery of the Florida Museum of Natural History in the current Human Ecology journal."
As we move towards solving the climate crisis, we need to remember the consequences to civilizations that refused to take environmental concerns seriously.If you haven’t read already read it, take a look at Jared Diamond’s book, Collapse.
http://blog.algore.com/2008/11/looking_back_to_look_forward.html
Yet another nugget of wisdom from the great Al Gore. We would be wise to heed his warning.
"While we agree in principle, it was President Eisenhower that started the Interstate Highway system. Only Nixon could go to China, President Ford ended the Vietnam War, and Presidents Reagan and Bush oversaw the collapse of the Soviet Union. Now while that sounds like an ad the GOP should be running it does make my point. To say all good things came from liberals is a bit ingenious, IMHO."
Well, Bob, Eisenhower may have championed the highway system, but I am not sure Nixon's opening up China was a GOOD thing. I am watching them buy up the USA, via treasury bonds, and our stocks and our companies.
Ford may have been in office when the Vietnam war stopped, but I still believe that Kennedy was shot because he wanted to.
and I will never believe that Reagan aided in any collapse of the Soviet Union. They were frankly bankrupt, and imploded themselves.
But I will tell you what I AM talking about.
Social Security
FDIC
FMLA
ADA
Space Program
Interstate Highways
Women’s Right to vote
Peace Corp
Head State
Environmental laws
Food & Drug safety
Air and water safety
Nat’l Weather service
GI bill
Labor Laws: 40 hr workweek, child labor laws, overtime pay, unions, workers comp, unemployment insurance
To name a few.........
anybody watching Cafferty??
Latest poll says only 34% of Americans have a favorable view of GOP!
WOW. they should just fold up their tents and drift away.......
Pam:
On top of all that,
G. Ford was the only President never elected to either the Presidency or the Vice-Presidency by the people and was one of the primary members of the Warren Commission.
Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but, can anyone honestly tell me that there is zero relationship?
What's the latest in MN? I just read a little blurb that Franken is down by 174 at this point in time? When does the recount start and when is it expected to conclude?
GregL on November 20, 2008 at 04:55 PM
Again, I am no cheerleader for the GOP; far from it. However, we agree about Eisenhower, Nixon going to China prevented a Sino-Soviet relationship that could've been a lot more difficult for us to deal with. Reagan and Bush41, while do nothing directly that caused the collapse of the Soviet Union, did hold the proverbial line on isolation which, in turn, contributed toward the collpase.
As far as citing one good conservative law, I would have to say welfare reform. No one wants their tax dollars going to support a bunch of welfare queens whose "business" was to produce babies to increase their welfare checks.
Now don't anyone go and drop off the deep end on me for that one. I still support aid to those people who genuinely need and deserve it. If you're out there scrambling to make ends meet at $8/hr., you deserve some public assistance. If you're a veteran who has been shot up in one President Bush's follies, you deserve assistance. But if you're a ne'er-do-well who won't hit a lick at a stick, screw you. Tighten up or go hungry.
Bob:
This largest piece of 'meaningful' "welfare reform" was signed into law in 1996 by W.J. Clinton, not by Reagan or Bush.
26 years after the passage of Title X/Family Planning Act (provided low or no cost contraceptives for females of any age among other things) and 23 years after Roe v. Wade was handed down.
The Interstate Highway System had been in the planning stages since the 1930's and was originally designed for use only by the Government and the Military. After WWII there was a need to move building supplies to GI Bill housing developments so it was finally started. It was never supposed to enter downtowns of cities, it was only supposed to get to the edge of the major metropolitan areas.
Once Congress got hold of it, though, it somehow managed to grow so that it traversed every Congressional District except 2 or 3.
The Chinese opened the door through Ping Pong Diplomacy
Ford just happened to be sitting around when the Fall of Saigon happened. He had nothing to do with ending that war, just like Nixon happened to be President when we landed on the moon.
Reagan had NOTHING to do with the collapse of the USSR. He just kept the same policy started by Truman, as did every other President. In fact, after the Iron Curtain fell a bunch of Russian Generals said that, Reagan actually prolonged the inevitable with his Military build up and constant saber rattling. This forced the hard liners in the Party to become more entrenched and dig in a lot deeper.
Poppy Shrub didn't do a damn thing to hasten it either. The USSR was bogged down in a protracted unwinnable ground war in Afghanistan and it bled their economy dry. Their money was worthless and the net result was a Country that spanned 11 Time Zones that couldn't provide the basic necessities for its people. Like toilet paper.
The ONLY thing the Pugs are good at is myth making.
"Meaningful Welfare Reform" had it's beginnings back in 1969 when government funds were set aside so that young women could avoid or end unintended pregnancies.
These programs showed a 'direct' rate of return of $3 for every $1 spent and an incalculable (?spelling) rate of savings in social programs, youth detention programs, as well as prision savings. Studies show that the vast majority of violent crimes are committed by adults who grew up in poor homes where they were unwanted and therefore subjected to neglect and abuse.
Think about the money and the lives that have been saved by programs that the Republicans since Reagan have systematically gutted and denied 3rd world countries.
marymac_memphis on November 20, 2008 at 05:24 PM
It started yesterday, and they finished 18% of the ballots by the close of business Wednesday.
They will release more numbers a little after 5 CST today. Here is the latest.
Al Franken closing in on Norm Coleman (contains a link to Franken's web site)
As far as citing one good conservative law, I would have to say welfare reform. No one wants their tax dollars going to support a bunch of welfare queens whose "business" was to produce babies to increase their welfare checks.
Bob, That Welfar reform was passed under Clinton. Now if a President has to take all the bad that happens during his administration, he gets to take the Good! And I REMEMBER that only too clearly, being fought by a Republican Congress who spent 8 years doing nothing but making the two Clintons look bad, and to try and find ways to thwart them. It was REAGAN who thought up that little ditty about Welfare queens driving to pick up their checks in their cadillacs, and it stuck! It was nothing but Propoganda, and just another Framing job they made up that people bought! I don't know about YOUR red state, but here in CT, we always had a limit on the amount a Mother could get regardless of number of babies. But we can all tell tales of welfare abuse.
Bill Clinton legacy has Welfare Reform as his achievement, so please don't go giving it away to Republicans !
You know the Republicans Adjenda/platform. Help Corporations and it will trickle down. Well they have tried that every time they got in office and it never worked. Maybe they will someday discover that.
This is the Second Recession under Bush ! That will be part of his legacy. The volume went down today to the 7 thousands. Even with a diversified portfolio, many people are going to feel this for a long time.
You can thank George Bush for:
2 recessions
Stock Market fall
Highest unemployment numbers
Illegal invasion and occupation based on lies
Housing market crash
Major corporations, banks, financial institues going broke needing bailouts.
Loss of Respect from Foreign countries
Highest deficit in history
Highest infant mortality
Abortions up because of silly abstinence policy
Education a disaster due to NCLB
4200 dead US boys, 30,000 disabled and lost limbs
We could go on and on.
PamB on November 20, 2008 at 05:07 PM
Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on November 20, 2008 at 05:39 PM
This is one debate that I am happy to concede to y'all.
marymac_memphis on November 20, 2008 at 05:40 PM
While statistics support your conclusion, I am not one to condone anti-societal behavior. I'm not interested in excuses, just results. And the flip side to your point, my good friend and colleague, is our President-Elect though he is the exception as opposed to the norm.
CactusBarrack on November 20, 2008 at 05:23 PM
Pam does a good job at esposuing the liberal position here and has been doing such since the DNC wisely created this blog. You should take a few notes and try to do better in espousing the conservative position since you and the rest of your Republican buddies seem so bound and determined to post here. At least that way, you wouldn't be perceived as negatively as you are unless you're just a glutton for punishment which opens a giant can of psychological worms that I do not have the time or inclination to debate in this forum. Each blogger and post stand on their own merit here. Y'all would be wise to remember such.
A GOP Dirty Trickster Has Second Thoughts
by Benjamin Sarlin
Consultant Roger Stone, the notorious political hitman who helped George W. Bush prevail in the 2000 Florida recount, tells The Daily Beast that he wishes he hadn’t.
Roger Stone is one of the last guys on Earth one would expect to feel guilty over an episode of rough and tumble politicking. As a self-admitted hit man for the GOP, Stone has had a hand in everything from Nixon's dirty tricks to Eliot Spitzer's resignation to spreading discredited rumors of a Michelle Obama “whitey” tape during the 2008 Democratic primaries. You might call Stone the Forrest Gump of scandal, popping up to play a bit part in the most notorious negative campaigns in recent history.
The capstone of Stone’s career, at least in terms of results, was the “Brooks Brothers riot” of the 2000 election recount. This was when a Stone-led squad of pro-Bush protestors stormed the Miami-Dade County election board, stopping the recount and advancing then-Governor George W. Bush one step closer to the White House. Though he is quick to rebut GOP operatives who seek to minimize his role in the recount, Stone lately has been having second thoughts about what happened in Florida.
When I look at those double-page New York Times spreads of all the individual pictures of people who have been killed [in Iraq], I got to think, 'Maybe there wouldn't have been a war if I hadn't gone to Miami-Dade.’
"There have been many times I've regretted it,” Stone told me over pizza at Grand Central Station. “When I look at those double-page New York Times spreads of all the individual pictures of people who have been killed [in Iraq], I got to think, 'Maybe there wouldn't have been a war if I hadn't gone to Miami-Dade. Maybe there hadn't have been, in my view, an unjustified war if Bush hadn't become president.' It's very disturbing to me."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-11-20/a-gop-dirty-trickster-has-second-thoughts/
PamB on November 20, 2008 at 06:25 PM
Not to mention the gutting of the First and Fourth Amendments, 1 million dead Iraqis and Afghanis, My Pet Goat on 11SEP01, setting Secretary Powell up like a bowling pin at the U.N., Katrina, Rita, the burgoening trade deficit, and the list goes on and on. George W. Bush will go down in history as the most incompetent POTUS we've ever experienced. 20JAN09 can't get here soon enough for us.
marymac_memphis on November 20, 2008 at 06:35 PM
Rush Limbaugh[, Roger Stone] and his fellow right-wing attack-dogs have created baseless rumors about a non-existent video tape showing Michelle Obama using a racial epithet.
The truth is that no such tape exists, and this entire smear campaign is fabricated.
Learn more about this smear and help push back with the truth:
http://my.barackobama.com/notape
Together we can make sure these negative and divisive attacks don't affect this [Presidency].
Thanks for your help.
Bob: I think that we may have a misunderstanding. I was trying to make the point that contraception (birth control pills and other forms) being made available at little or no cost back in 1970 helped to make welfare reform 26 years later possible. I am very angry that the republicans have systematically gutted the funding this very successful program.
Bob: Please read my posts! The title of the article was "A GOP Dirty Trickster Has Second Thoughts" The whole thing is a confession of sorts and says that he regrets his actions.
McCain Pollster Explains Loss, Calls Frank Luntz A Moron
The chief pollster for John McCain's presidential campaign offered a candid diagnosis of how his candidate was done in, on occasion reserving harsh words for fellow Republicans.
Bill McInturff, speaking at a National Journal breakfast on Thursday, said the political environment for the GOP in 2008 was worse than anything he has seen in his time polling since former Soviet empires were breaking the shackles of communism.
"Reporters would call me up and say, 'have you ever seen this?'" McInturff said of George W. Bush's approval ratings. "And I say, 'yeah, Bulgaria 1992.'"
"We had a very unpopular war and the most unpopular president in American polling history," he explained, by way of summarizing the election. "We had a 70 percent wrong track and we were winning. We were winning. And what happened? We said that's not hard enough for John McCain. We should implode the financial markets. And what happens? We go from 70 percent wrong track to literally 90 percent."
Unrestrained by the formalities of the election, McInturff levied some sharps words at fellow GOPers who -- generally speaking -- never really were bullish on the idea of a McCain presidency. The most biting jabs were saved for communications guru Frank Luntz.
"I saw Frank Luntz," said McInturff, "who is a moron -- I want to make sure this is clearly on the record -- he was talking to Republican governors, making fun of John for not being able to use a BlackBerry. The man can't do it because he is much more disabled than people can imagine... I would like to take a hammer and start breaking bones in Frank's arms."
McInturff later noted that the Obama campaign ran an ad on this very topic, and vice presidential candidate Joe Biden criticized the spot because of its insensitivity.
In addition to going after Luntz, McInturff highlighted several factors that he credited with truly hurting the McCain candidacy. The first, and most obvious, was the crisis in the financial markets and the failure of the House of Representatives to quickly pass a bailout packaged.
Oh my, oh my, Governor MooseBurger is in trouble again:
Ethics Complaint Filed Against Palin Over Fox News Interview
"As Sarah Palin settles back into her job as the state's chief executive, a new ethics complaint filed Tuesday says she's already improperly mixing her official duties and broader political ambitions," the Anchorage Daily News reports.
The charge: That Palin broke state ethics rules by holding national television interviews about her run for vice president from the governor's office.
The complaint comes as Palin's personal life, her prospects as a future presidential candidate and everything she says and does continues to draw headlines.
Zane Henning, a North Slope worker from Wasilla, said he filed the complaint with the attorney general. He says Palin is promoting her future political career on state property, pointing in particular to the governor's Nov. 10 interview with Fox News Channel host Greta Van Susteren.
"The governor is using her official position and office in an attempt to repair her damaged political image on the national scene," Henning wrote.
The Palin camp, besieged by interview requests, said the governor was no longer a candidate at the time of interviews, but otherwise had little to say about the complaint.
"The consideration of complaints under the executive branch ethics act is a confidential process, by law," wrote Palin spokesman Bill McAllister.
Here's video of Palin's appearance with Greta van Susteren. The wide-ranging interview covered such familiar topics as the $150,000 spent on Palin's wardrobe for the campaign, as well as the report that she was unable to name all the countries in North America and did not understand that Africa is a continent rather than a nation. Palin denied any knowledge of the RNC's extravagant clothing bills, going so far as to say that she's never set foot in a Neiman Marcus (one of the upscale stores where the RNC racked up a $75,000 bill). Palin also denied the report that she was unaware Africa is a continent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/19/ethics-complaint-filed-ag_n_144873.html
Time for MooseBrains to hide out in the tundra from whence she came. No Senate job for Moosey.
Governing as a national majoritySteny Hoyer
I will never forget how I felt two weeks ago when I watched Barack Obama celebrating with more than a hundred thousand in Chicago, tens of millions across our nation, and millions more around the world. Now, Congress has to ensure that we live up to the possibility of that day, and the promise of this moment in history.
As Democrats, our first job is to remember where our majority came from. We did not just make full-blown ideological converts of the other half of the country. What we did do _ and this in itself was a huge accomplishment _ was convince majority-making independents that we will govern responsibly and effectively at a time of national crisis. The 33 new members of Congress coming to Washington to swell our side of the aisle are pragmatic, not dogmatic. They were elected on promises of bipartisanship and fiscal discipline.
With their help, Democrats are a true national majority party for the first time in decades _ and if we want to stay that way, we must govern like one. Voters have little patience for majorities that pursue narrow, partisan agendas to the exclusion of common-sense accomplishment. As Speaker Nancy Pelosi has said, we must govern from the middle, welcoming debate in our own ranks and reaching out to Republicans, as well. That is what we did in the last Congress, when 70 percent of the major pieces of legislation passed with significant bipartisan support.
Of course, Republicans have to be willing to reach back. Instead, they may choose to pursue a strategy of obstruction, especially when so many conservatives are blaming the media, blaming moderates, blaming everyone but themselves for what happened on Nov. 4. In the immediate future, with no governing responsibility and with the moderate Republican virtually extinct, the other party is likely to move even further away from the centrist and independent voters who sustained its majorities.
But that wouldn't just be bad for Republicans _ it would be damaging for our country. We need a loyal opposition to engage constructively on legislation, to challenge Democratic arguments and hold us to account...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/news/tms/politics/2008/Nov/20/governing_as_a_national_majority.html
And now a word from the House Majority Leader. I found Rep. Hoyer's (D-MD) piece here to be quite insightful and pragmatic.
marymac_memphis on November 20, 2008 at 06:47 PM
Thanks for clarifying Mary. We do indeed agree that the GOP position of abstinence only, fostered by the relgious right, has been counterproductive in the long run. The only purpose served was the soothing of their religious consciousness which has no place in public policy. The seperation of church and state must be observed otherwise, the First Amendment is nullified.
marymac_memphis on November 20, 2008 at 06:50 PM
I did, Mary. I remembered that the Fight the Smears site had a rebuttal to the infamous, non-existent "whitey" remark by Mrs. Obama, as noted in the article you posted, and posted the official Obama rebuttal.
My apologies for not clarifying that in my earlier post. My post was not meant in any form to be a rebuke of the article you posted but as an enhancement. Again, I apologize for not making myself more clear in my intent.
Sally-* on November 20, 2008 at 06:53 PM
Jennifer Flowers? Eeewww! "That woman" was far better looking than Jennifer Flowers. Furthermore, "that woman" didn't try to shake down President Clinton after she gave it up.
Good night fellow Democrats. Keep the Faith and keep the faith. Yes we can, yes we will, and yes we did!
wow have the bushies totally screwed the economy with their ayn randian idiotology. if the election were held today obama would get 420 electoral votes.
over the last 28 years the republicans have managed to talk americans out of traditional pension systems and into 401k plans and these are now on average worth about half of what they were a few months ago. people are shocked and scared and depressed.
we need to rethink our priorities as a people. we should put the establishment of a baseline of income for all people ahead of the rights of the few to gather obscene amounts of wealth. a good place to start would be to take about 399 million of that fat ass rush analcyst boys 400 million dollar contract and redistribute it to disabled soldiers who won't be able to earn much in their lives....i'm sure fatso would be pleased to help out after cheer leading the war of choice as he has...next up t-bone pickens needs to become slim pickens by giving up most of his wealth for funding the swift boaters who brought us the past four years of bush economics and carnage....and so on until as michael says in the godfather....all the family business is taken care of....
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rjsisnj on November 20, 2008 at 06:53 PM
but, AS USUAL, the pug mouthpiece is A LIAR! (scroll through all the pics. There ARE more available.)
Bob: I hope you have a good evening and look forward to seeing you tomorrow!
Okay - anybody:
Has anyone heard of one - even one single homeowner - who has benefited at all (even one penny) from the bailout fund? As far as I can tell it's all been handed to the big wigs with the hope of "trickle down," like that's worked so well for the last 28 (-8 Clinton years) or so years? We need to be rid of Paulson immediately!
Country First was nothing but a slogan for McCain/Palin - President Barak Obama lives it.
I went to his web site to look up some info for a friend and on the front page was a call to action to help the victims of the CA fires. Not some celebration of the Presidential win or even of the Begich win in Alaska, nothing political - just a call for help and a link to find out how you can help.
I'm so proud of the person that we elected!
BobVADemocratHawk on November 20, 2008 at 07:09 PM
Silly's favorite site (this week) has taken to referring to Michelle Obama as "Blackie-O".
As for that "Whitey tape", The ONE "source" for that flim flam has "suddenly" had internet problems, but he is SURE to release them soon.
Racially Incriminating Michelle Obama Tape Update
Only fools like Agent Flobee and his "No IQ" crowd and abject racists like Silly* believe in this scam artist.
A true sign of mental illness.
HEY, Silly*, just WHEN will "at the right time" happen?
It's put up or shut up time.
All blow and no show don't go.
CactusBarrack on November 20, 2008 at 09:05 PM
Dufus_Dan (AKA Cactus)
You ain't no registered Democrat. You're a fool.
You're anti-labor, anti-choice, anti-green, anti-intelligence. Regardless of what you marked on the card, that makes you a republican.
DPD, Marymac, Gregg,
Are you all still on?
Or do we only have idiots like Dufus and Sally posting their typical republican dupe stuff?
More dupe-stuff from dip-sticks we don't need.
Why is the majority leader, and the miniorty leaders, dragging there feet on the auto bridge loan? While your money downspirals, in your 401k's and Ira's. These people need to get off of there sorry asses, and get something done, before this country goes into depression, they act like they got all the time in the world to play games. They don't just look at what the market is telling them, thats going to happen if they don't get some legislation soon. They need to forget turkey day, this country and the world is in dire straits, and they want to play political games. Its simple they don't have the time to wait.
If they think they can wait until January, they are wrong, the damage will already be done. And it won't be pretty for Dems the next election, if they don't show leadership now, and quit playing political games. Are leaders in congress are acting just like the pugs, its hard to tell the difference.
Good night,going to get rest, i'm really getting discussed with this party. Washington is nothing but b/s all around.
what can democrat do when bush wont pass the deal for the three big car dealer
etter school system to stamp out conservitive, a terrible affliction.
You are brain dead , stupid and ignorant, that makes you a liberal
CactusBarrack on November 20, 2008 at 09:31 PM
Gee, Dufus, I thought you said you were a Democrat. Now you are bashing liberals? We are not as stupid as you. We can figure out when a dufus (psst... that's you) is making stuff up; especially when they contradict themselves!
Get a clue, Dufus. You're not smart. Stop trying to pretend you are. We can all see through it. You're STUPID. We all know that. You prove it with each and every one of your posts. You can't hide, but you can run. The wiser of the options for you.
Poor stupid little republican dupe.
Hey,... I have an idea. Let's see how smart Dufus_Dan is. Let's look at some of the things he has said in the past and see if he has been right on ANYTHING.
The democrats will lose in '08. They lied to make it in the '06 election and their campaign of doom and gloom will cost them in '08. America votes for winners not WHINERS.
Posted by D_Cactus_Weekend on November 9, 2007 at 08:38 PM
Obama,
Supported by every commie asswipe and now Hamas.
Fat chance of him being elected President.
Posted by *D____Cactus*__ on April 26, 2008 at 12:25 PM
The democrats plan to grap defeat out of the jaws of sure victory, is working.
Posted by Dan_A_Cactus** on August 16, 2008 at 11:21 AM
Dufus_Dan = STUPID
Poor stupid little republican dupe
Now Dufus,
Look back at the STUPID posts you provided and please explain why a registered Democrat would post things like that about Democrats if he was one.
WOW, you really ARE stupid, even by republican standards.
This Obama depression is killing the stock market.
101Sally-* on November 20, 2008 at 09:47 PM
And the Bush economy makes piles of crap like you look apple trees.
Notice how quiet Obama is?
No great words of wisdom yet.
104CactusBarrack on November 20, 2008 at 09:50 PM
Um, Dufus, I'll have to cut you some slack because you are, after all, really stupid, but Obama is not president, YET.
You should buy clues with two handles. You seem to keep loosing your grip.
They found the bones of Copernicus in an unmarked grave in the floor of Frombork Cathedral in Frombork poland. he was a priest and astronomer whose theories identified the Sun, not the Earth, as the center of the universe.
His final thesis was only published, however, in the year of his death. His ideas challenged the Bible, the church and past theories, and they had important consequences for future thinkers, including Galileo, Descartes and Newton.
He was probably chastised by the fundies in the church who believe the Bible in its entirety.
Scientists say Copernicus' remains, grave found
Stuck on stupid
107CactusBarrack on November 20, 2008 at 09:53 PM
Dufus,
We realize that about you. But that is no excuse. If you know you are stuck on stupid, stop posting nonsense.
Stuck on stupid
107CactusBarrack on November 20, 2008 at 09:53 PM
Dufus,
We realize that about you. But that is no excuse. If you know you are stuck on stupid, stop posting nonsense.
This bush depression is killing the stock market.
111dusty2006 on November 20, 2008 at 09:57 PM
And the banking industry, and the real estate industry and the auto industry and the United States of America. How many days till we get a real president to replace the current republican idiot?
Evening Chicago and dusty,
I am afraid to look at my 401k.
Argentina is nationalizing some private pension plans to protect the pensions (401k) of private citizens. I don't think the repukes like Americans unless they are rich.
Before the election , the magic Negro could part the sea, stop hurricanes, you would think he would be in DC telling them how to fix wall street, but no, he quit his day job as Senator and just hides out.
114CactusBarrack on November 20, 2008 at 10:00 PM
Hey Dufus,
You're showing your ignorance again. Bush is still president. Obama will start in January.
Poor stupid little republican dupe
CACTUSBARRACK some think bush ciuld do want you claim our new president
I don't think the repukes like Americans unless they are rich.
Johne on November 20, 2008 at 10:03 PM
Johne,
that is "trickle-down economics". Reagan proved it doesn't work. Bush confirmed it. But the Republicans won't give it up until this country is in ruins.
Hey, I have another idea. Let's take a look at some of Sally's past comments and see if ANY of them turned out to be true...
This place is gonna be damn funny on election night when Hussein Obama loses 60 - 40%.
Posted by Sally-* on August 30, 2008 at 01:41 PM
McCain with the fair Sarah will win 60% - 40%.
Posted by Sally-* on September 1, 2008 at 05:22 AM
Obama will lose by 20 points and if you are not a moron you know it. And that big a gap will flip the house and senate as well. Sorry baldy, you lose!
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SALLY-* ON SEPTEMBER 11, 2008 AT 10:26 PM
McCain/Palin hit 50% in daily tracking poll - Obama Bin Biden at 47%.
Subtract 5% from Obama Bin Biden and add it to McCain/Palin for the Bradley effect and it is McCain/Palin 55% and Obama Bin Biden 42%.
And it will get worse for Obama Bin Biden.
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SALLY-* ON SEPTEMBER 14, 2008 AT 04:29 PM
Sally, evidence demonstrates you are stupid.
congratulations.
Obama could have been working in the Senate right now, if he cared.
122CactusBarrack on November 20, 2008 at 10:10 PM
And you could have helped this country out by NOT voting for Bush the second time if you weren't STUPID.
Maybe Obama is just lazy.
124CactusBarrack on November 20, 2008 at 10:11 PM
Dufus,
You must be stupid AND confused. Bush is the one who spent the most time on vacation. Bush is the lazy one AND the stupid one. Maybe that is why you idolize him so. Because he is stupid TOO!
11-18) 04:00 PST Washington -- House Republicans re-installed on Friday much of the leadership team that led them to political oblivion just 10 days ago, arguing that their leaders got the message from voters and will do better this time -- in the minority.
Rep. John Boehner of Ohio, who took over in February after Majority Leader Tom DeLay was indicted, easily beat back a challenge, 168-27, from conservative Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/11/18/MNG42MFMDJ1.DTL&feed=rss.news
In the era of Larry Craig, some republicans get their hands on a Boehner and they just can't let it go.
Yes, Obama could be in the senate right now, showing leadership, but no, he is sitting around in his living room, having a few beers with Bill Ayers.
130CactusBarrack on November 20, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Gee, maybe Obama needs to be working on organizing his cabinet? Similar to EVERY other president-elect. You really are stupid. Another example of republican "intelligence".
PSLRD (Poor Stupid Little Republican Dupe)
CactusBarrack on November 20, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Dufus,
Where did your friend Sally go? Did he abandon you? Did he realize that you were looking really stupid with your posts? Why has he left you here all alone? Is he ashamed to be associated with you? You responded to his post. How come he ignored you? Maybe he doesn't respect stupidity?
What do you think?
Stevens gives last Senate speech as staffers weep
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081121/ap_on_go_co/senate_stevens_11
Larry Craig is going to miss him.
You have to wonder why the republican dupes keep coming back in here using names that are only slightly different. I can understand why they would want to use new names considering how stupid they look on a nightly basis. But why would they use similar names so that everyone knows who they are. Dufus is everything cactus. We all know who he is when he posts. I don't think any two people could be THAT stupid. When ignorance is demonstrated at levels that make it unique, then a threshold has been crossed. I guess smarter people would change their names, stupid people keep right on.
Oh well, I'm off to sleep.
Obama won't get in trouble for it, he will just say "I was only 8 years old when I hit her".
136CactusBarrack on November 20, 2008 at 11:04 PM
Dufus,
This is really just stupid. Obama has never hit his wife and he did not know her when he was 8 yrs old. Is this really the best you can do? When you rub both brain cells together, this is what falls out? I think maybe one of those two brain cells is already dead. That would also explain why you vote republican.
Dont let the door hit in the fat ass, loser.
139CactusBarrack on November 20, 2008 at 11:16 PM
Don't worry, Dumb-shit. I don't have a fat ass and YOU are the loser. Remember, you voted for McLame.
PSLRD
Dufus,
Where did your friend Sally go? Did he abandon you? Did he realize that you were looking really stupid with your posts? Why has he left you here all alone? Is he ashamed to be associated with you? You responded to his post. How come he ignored you? Maybe he doesn't respect stupidity?
What do you think?
How would you know?
CactusBarrack on November 20, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Well gee, dumb-ass. Because no one has claimed he has including his wife and all the media.
Are you really THAT stupid? You think you can just make a stupid claim like this and ANYONE will accept it? We all know you are a fool. Even Sally knows it.
CactusBarrack on November 20, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Wrong as usual, Dufus,
I voted for Obama. And McLame is a more descriptive term for McCain. Even moderately stupid people understand that. I guess you are more than moderately stupid.
Larry Craig is going to miss him
You think you can just make a stupid claim like this and ANYONE will accept it?
CactusBarrack on November 20, 2008 at 11:29 PM
Well, dufus, if you knew what you were talking about, you would know that Larry Craig said he would miss Stevens on the floor of the Senate today. It was reported on the news. They showed the actual footage.
Do you even realize how stupid you look right now?
I'm guessing your too stupid to realize.
Mclame is a name a five year old would come up with, so for you I guess it would be age appropriate.
149CactusBarrack on November 20, 2008 at 11:35 PM
Dufus,
That's the best come-back you can come up with? WOW, not only are you stupid, you also have no imagination.
PSLRD
evening chicago...i see you found yourself bored and decided to spar a bit with the clown posse...can be good for a laugh. sally is truly delusional these days. it is acting as though the election was really bad for the democrats because now they are in charge of everything...this is a really lame tact to try to push but there really isn't much left for the right wing and there will be less than nothing for them to do once the inauguration takes place.
i had hoped bush's economic guys had something on the ball and would be able to keep the economy from tanking but it looks like more of the same from the white house...."great job brownie and tally-ho"....these pieces of excrement can't go back to the underworld fast enough for me.
so time for bed here in the hudson valley. looks like about 20 degrees outside so the mosquito problem is fixed!
You have lied in the past.
150CactusBarrack on November 20, 2008 at 11:37 PM
That is a lie. I have never lied in the past. I saw it on MSNBC today, fool. I'll try to find it for you.
one more thing. i was listening to the huckster on npr this evening while driving and he was demonstrating a gift of chutzpah that would make g. gordon liddy blush. huckster was blaming the pelican problems on libertarians!! i guess he figures many libertarians vote for pelicans for the anti-government, anti-tax ideology but he wants them out of the party as they are not really into the values shtick ( and they are always whining about pot being illegal ) ...he blamed romney for some primary stuff and dissed him a few other ways as well...all the time failing to mention that sarah was his pick as leader of the nut ball far right religious wing of the party ( in fact pretty much the only wing these days ) and that sarah buried the already tarnished ( read bush/cheney/rummy/rove) image of the party even deeper in horse manure.
we should pray deeply and frequently that god sees fit to bring the ascension of huckster and sarah and that they should lead the pelicans into an endless labyrinth of frustration and bewilderment for many years to come.
now i must get some sleep.
Goodnight Chicago.
159Johne on November 20, 2008 at 11:54 PM
Good night Johne.
Dufus,
Here you go. Since you missed it, watch Countdown with the guest host and see the Craig statement. He says he is going to miss Stevens.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#27830667
Then you can come back and tell us what a stupid fool you REALLY are. I would say you will look stupid then, but you look stupid now, so I don't see that changeing much.
Try reading the blog BEFORE you post, dummy.
163CactusBarrack on November 21, 2008 at 12:12 AM
That's just stupid, dufus.
It makes no sense. Do you have a point that makes any sense?
So Dufus,
Go watch the MSNBC video from the Countdown broadcast of today. I provided the link. Remember you claimed I was a liar. See the video of Craig saying he will miss Stevens. Can you figure out how to play the video or are you too stupid?
Nice try Dufus, but remember how this topic started? YOU claimed,
Larry Craig is going to miss him
You think you can just make a stupid claim like this and ANYONE will accept it?
CactusBarrack on November 20, 2008 at 11:29 PM
See, you claimed I made it up.
Do you want me to go over all the Posts?
Read them to you?
HAHAHAHAHAHHA. YOu look REALLY stupid now.
CactusBarrack on November 21, 2008 at 12:26 AM
Dufus,
Do you have a point?
I opted to stay a little longer so I could enjoy pointing out your stupidity. Its fun. I enjoy it. Something wrong with that?
By the way, have you watched that MSNBC video yet? Or are you too stupid to figure out how to do it?
No both posts HAVE YOUR NAME on them.
170CactusBarrack on November 21, 2008 at 12:28 AM
WOW. Really, Wow. You really are very stupid. Okay. Let me play it out for you.
You made a stupid comment about Obama hitting his wife. I pointed out how stupid that was because no one (except you) claimed he did that.
Later I provided this post:
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Stevens gives last Senate speech as staffers weep
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081121/ap_on_go_co/senate_stevens_11
Larry Craig is going to miss him.
134Chicago on November 20, 2008 at 10:58 PM
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Then you came back with THIS stupid comment:
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Larry Craig is going to miss him.
134Chicago on November 20, 2008 at 10:58 PM
You think you can just make a stupid claim like this and ANYONE will accept it?
Chicago
146CactusBarrack on November 20, 2008 at 11:29 PM
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See, you cut and pasted my comment into yours (comment #134 is in your comment #146)
Then I provided the link.
Then you posted the stupid comment that democrats will miss him too, trying lamely to change the subject.
Do you get it now? YOu are stupid. You are wrong on everything, and when you get caught in your stupidity, you try to change the subject.
It ain't workin'. YOur still stupid and we can all see it.
WOW. YOu look realy dumb now.
But don't feel bad, Dufus,
We all knew you were stupid before tonight. We have known it for a long time.
Remember back before the election, Dufus?
When I would ask you questions on McCain's tax plan or foreign policy and you would run and hide? We knew you were stupid then.
All anyone has to do, Dufus, is read back through your 1, 2, or 3 sentence posts that are ususally only attacks on people. That is all you ever post. You are not educated on the issues. You don't appear to be able to articulate a political position. You're obviously just stupid. Deal with it. We all know it.
You reposted them under my name, that was a lie.
177CactusBarrack on November 21, 2008 at 12:44 AM
Dufus,
I spelled it all out for you. I provided the posts. You still don't understand? Everyone else does. WOW. You are stupid. Can you tie your own shoes?
I hope they don't let you drive. Do you live in your mothers basement and wear "toughskins"?
Thats why you are not worth the time.
180CactusBarrack on November 21, 2008 at 12:48 AM
Nice try LOSER.
That is what you always say when you are LOSING.
Poor, poor Dufus-Dan.
Head full of gas like a methane can.
Dumber than a post,
Stupider than most,
Spews his gas like a flatulent fan.
Dufus,
I am sober as a judge. How about you?
Are you always stupid, or only when you have had too much to drink?
CactusBarrack on November 21, 2008 at 12:50 AM
I know, Dufus, I spelled it all out for you. You tried to take my comment regarding your lie about Obama and turn it around on me claiming I lied about Craig's statement. I backed up my statement with a link. It's that simple. Anyone but a real dufus can see that. Then you tried to change the subject to be that Democrats said they would miss Stevens TOO.
Do you still not get it, because everyone else who reads this will. Your lame attempts aren't working because you are too stupid.
Poor stupid little republican dupe.
Dufus,
Have you been stupid your entire life, or were you in an accident of some kind? I don't want to pick on you if you have some kind of brain injury. But if you have been just plain regular stupid since birth, well then I think it's okay if I pick on you. NO one is forcing you to come to this site after all.
Dufus,
Were there a lot of open paint cans around when you were growing up? That might also explain a lot about your mental capacity.
Dufus,
Did you perhaps build a LOT of model airplanes when you were young? Perhaps without proper ventilation? Maybe in your mom's basement? Do you still live there?
Dufus,
Where have you gone?
YOu haven't posted anything for 20 mins.
OH, I see. This is a common ploy by Dufus. He puts his tail between his legs and hides until I go away. Then he will come back and pretend to be all big and smart.
Poor stupid little republican dupe.
Okay. pretend your not stupid. I'm off to sleep.
See, I just reposted two of your post about how stupid it is to just attack peole and then you attacking me.
191CactusBarrack on November 21, 2008 at 01:10 AM
Well of course, Dufus,
YOu have to fight fire with fire. Don't you know that?
Okay, Dufus,
I really have to get some sleep.
I'll leave the blog to you. Try to post something to show you are not a complete idiot. I doubt you'll be able to do it, but I think it would be good for you to try. Why don't you tell everyone what you think should be done with the "Big 3"? THat will show what a "rocket scientist" you are.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
G'nite
peole- people
194CactusBarrack on November 21, 2008 at 01:12 AM
OH, that's really smart. YOu can spell "people".
WOW. Congratulations.
Later
sally and cactus are loser were not all robert you two idoits
no one else can be that annoying and argue stupidity as sally and cactus
boy is sarah and her staff a bunch of morons. i bet john mcsame knows just what that turkey in the background felt like! i bet sarah would have loved hanging out at the spahn ranch back in the sixties:
Hey, didja hear Mukasey was blasting critics of the Bush administration and then collapsed? I guess He IS a vengeful God, after all.
i think the next interview palin does will be from a mortuary and we will get to watch the bleeding of the corpse while she discusses how helpful she was to mcbush's campaign...may she lead the pelicans over the cliff in 2010 and 2012 just like she did in 2008.
and sally is all excited that coleman may hold on to his senate seat...very quaint...as if martinez of fla., gregg of nh, voinivich of ohio and specter of penn. who are up in 2010 won't be under intense pressure to vote with the democrats on most stuff and as if snowe, collins, lugar, mccain and murkowski won't support the democrats on many issues jsut because their own party is full of imbeciles....yup looks real good for the pelicans!
I guess He IS a vengeful God, after all.
242GregL on November 21, 2008 at 07:51 AM
Morning {{GregL}}
As the hundreds of people were praying for the salvation of the soul of one of the finest men ever born yesterday, I had to think "Who will pray for the saving of the troll's souls on their demise, and would HE even listen if they can scrape up one person to do so?"
They think they are sneaking this filth, racism, homophobia, in and HE is not noticing. By slithering in here in the wee hours of the morning, I guess they figure HE is sleeping and they can play all they want.
I have to LOL at the German. He is the only one in his country to dislike Obama and the new HOPE this entire world has to look forward to.
Morning {{{GregG}}} too.
that Musassey story is on front page of Yahoo.com this morning.
Also---confirmation that Obama WILL offer the SOS job to Clinton. I guess it took some time to check out Bill's contributors, but there is nothing there to use as conflicts of interest.
Shame the Repugs will not be able to ruin that!
Good morning fellow Democrats! It's snowing like crazy here in Streetsboro ohio!They say maybe 12" today.
morning Pam,
The German is a closet fascist. There is a God after all, mukasey was struck down. Maybe he is faking the stroke to stay out of prison.
Here's the one from the L.A. Times with the paragrapghs about him "railing against critics":
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-mukasey21-2008nov21,0,3452895.story
Mukasey's speech Thursday night was one of the longest and most strongly worded of his tenure. In it, he railed against those who criticized the Justice Department for sharply changing its focus after the Sept. 11 attacks from a prosecutorial agency to one that keyed on preventing future attacks -- even if that meant not charging some suspected terrorists with crimes and not prosecuting them in federal courtrooms like the one he presided over."As the end of this administration draws near, you would expect to hear broad praise for this success at keeping our nation safe. Instead, I am afraid what we hear is a chorus with a rather more dissonant refrain," Mukasey's prepared remarks said. "Instead of appreciation, or even a fair appraisal of the administration's accomplishments, we have heard relentless criticism of the very policies that have helped keep us safe. We have seen this in the media, we have seen this in the Congress, and we have heard it from the legal academy as well."
morning peaceman and gregg,
The wind started yesterday and blew from about 0700 yesterday until midnight last night. i came home about noon and found my gate about to blow off the hinges so I drove my truck up to the gate to support it propped and walked the 600 feet to my house. About a month ago the wind ripped apart the gate actuators which I just had repaired. I should just say screw the gate.
It is now 25 and calm, still no rain or snow and as dry as an Ohio oil well.
The_Evil_Dr*Burd on November 21, 2008 at 08:29 AM
Shut the hell up mcturd,get a life!
I really don't know what it says about our country when the man heading our Justice Department seems to think it was renamed the Detain and Torture Department. They take away freedoms, and they say it is in the name of safety...well, freedom is never safe and the sooner these Life-phobic assholes realize that, the better off we will all be.
Why isn't it Jan. 21 yet?
Hi {{{Johne}}}
yeah, the German is filled with venon, as usual. Must be so frustrating to watch US politics from afar and not be able to have any say in the voting process. Hmmmm, Friday at around 2:00PM his time, and he is not working? Maybe that is why he is girlish crotchety! :)
I got a kick out of the other troll in the night, trying to make it like the Media was all to blame for Obama's win! It does not occur to these foolish dopey jerks, that even the Media has ethics and realize how they were too afraid to show up Bush for what he was, and now decided to make up for it, by not electing in McCain and another 4 years of Destructive, Corrupt, Criminal, Perverted Republicans.
Anybody who has not thrown Franken nor Martin in GA a couple bucks, please try and do so. I know, we just donated till it hurt, and Christmas is coming, but two more seats would be Gravy.
Johnnyweird, To tell you the truth, I am jewish.
255The_Evil_Dr*Burd on November 21, 2008 at 08:37 AM
Non practicing, of course! No wonder you are here on Christmas----your wife and inlaws are celebrating the birth and life of Jesus without you. Must be unusual to have a NAZI Jew.
And, btw. Ask anyone here if they CARE what the hell you are, religion or otherwise ! Nobody could give a shit.
Another Slap across Bush's and the neo cons faces. Finally, it is being admitted that these slobs were rounded up with no evidence of they're being terrorists !
Judge Orders Five Detainees Freed From Guantanamo
HE_EVIL_DR*BURD why dont you get a life and leave the chat sight
No, you remind me of what it means everytime you slither in, Burd!!! You are very very girlish in your Shrillness and other ways.
DEMS,
Joblessness at a 16 year high. Now 16 years takes us back to the Ronald Reagan,( the Repugs hero), era !
It always take a Democrat to fix Republican's failures.
HE_EVIL_DR*BURD why do you care what we do the united states you live in germany so mind your own bees wax about our elections take your hate some where else
HE_EVIL_DR*BURD but you think it your own private chat sight for hate
You could at least donate some of your husbands hard earned money to the USO, The Army Relief Fund; or even do some volunteer work at the USO. But no, a good liberal doesn´t do something like that. They throw money at liberal assclown politicians.
266The_Evil_Dr*Burd on November 21, 2008 at 08:52 AM
You just don't get it, do you dunderhead!
By putting in Democrats in the majority, there will be no NEED for any Relief funds! Democrats take CARE of their military AND their Vets. Active, Disabled, college bound! With enough armor and ammunition and amount of troops to get the job done.
What part did you miss about this last illegal invasion and the push into Afghanistan, where Parents had to send their kids equipment??? Were you sleeping when McCain and Republicans voted AGAINST Veterans benefits? Did you not see General after General say that more troops should have been sent in, but Bush never did?
I know you get the news late in Germany, but try and stay up with us here! You are the Anti-Military, Anti-Veteran fella !
palinclown, btw, did you watch that segment on TV the other day, where they showed World leaders shaking hands with the line of men meeting for economics talks, and not a one of them reached for or shook Bush's? My GAWD, I am so embarassed at this man representing our country still. I cannot wait until his ass is back in Crawford or Paraguay or whereever he is headed.
Morning Gregl,
I realized the other day that the TSA was contracted out. I wonder if blackwater has this no-bid contract too? We are most likely paying through the nose for the contract and it is most likely a cost plus contract including bush's religious buddy's obscene.
bush said we signed the Iraq agreement the other day. I hope that Iraq did not roll over about holding our people responsible for crimes in Iraq. I think the Congress should approve or disapprove this agreement on our side but bush apparently has no plans to do so. He's the decider. We will be the deciders sending him to the Hague to be tried , found guilty and hanged.
January 21 cannot come soon enough.
Well, off to work. This morning they are going to sand the tennis court, pressure wash it and paint tomorrow.
That should be "bush's religious buddy's obscene salary".
I do not know how accurate this email is, but want to forewarn you all. Another nail in Bush's legacy coffin!!
Watch those store money cards and gift cards.. and credit slips! Stores that informed the Security Exchange of closing plans between October 2008 and January 2009. PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO ALL YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS.
Circuit City stores.. . A few in NJ
Ann Taylor- 117 stores nationwide are to be shuttered
Lane Bryant,, Fashion Bug ,and Catherine's to close 150 store nationwide
Eddie Bauer to close stores 27 stores and more after January
Cache will close all stores
Talbots closing down all stores
J. Jill closing all stores
GAP closing 85 stores
Footlocker closing 140 stores more to close after January
Wickes Furniture closing down
Levitz closing down remaining stores
Bombay closing remaining stores
Zales closing down 82 stores and 105 after January.
Whitehall closing all stores
Piercing Pagoda closing all stores
Disney closing 98 stores and will close more after January.
Home Depot closing 15 stores 1 in NJ ( New Brunswick )
Macys to close 9 stores after January
Linens and Things closing all stores
Movie Galley Closing all stores
Pacific Sunware closing stores
Pep Boys Closing 33 stores
Sprint/ Nextel closing 133 stores
JC Penney closing a number of stores after January
Ethan Allen closing down 12 stores.
Wilson Leather closing down all stores
Sharper Image closing down all stores
K B Toys closing 356 stores
Loews to close down some stores
Dillard's to close some stores.
Hey PalinClown, They are showing that blip about Palin pardoning her turkey, then stupidly stepping outside for her press conference with the guy slaughtering turkeys on the bloody table behind her! HAHAHA
Palin----The Repub gift that keeps on giving!!!
Here is another thing that Bush/Cheney created. Remember how we all used to say how the US was #1 in the world??? Looks like the Republicans killed that image off!!!
Sun Sets on US Power: Report Predicts End of Dominance
http://www.truthout.org/112108M
by: Julian Borger, The Guardian UK (so dopey Dan knows who wrote it!)
JUDGE RICHARD LEON just got the kind of lesson you can't learn in law school. At least not if you want a Bush appointment. Last seen denying Guantánamo Bay inmates the right to challenge their detainments, Mr Leon was over-ruled by the Supreme Court. Today Mr Leon ruled that five of six detainees exercising their restored habeas corpus rights were detained without merit. He ordered the men freed "forthwith". Demonstrating that justice remains free of fear or favor, Mr Leon then asked the government to waive its right to appeal.
The lesson, and hopefully all those who might need it are already seated on the federal bench, is that habeas is the foundation of justice precisely because the executive branch should never be trusted. These men spent nearly seven years imprisoned (and were mentioned during George Bush's 2002 state-of-the-union address) based on the strength of a rumour. Since that time, the administration blocked their release with iterative ridiculous legal arguments, including the one Judge Leon originally upheld. At least he finally faced up to the truth. The New York Times reports that some consider an appeal likely.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2008/11/guantanamo_bay_1.cfm
In light of the passage of Proposition 8, Harvey's message of thirty years ago remains as vital today as it was then. It is our responsibility to let our loved ones, co-workers, friends, and neighbors know who we are, so that those who vote in favor of discrimination have our names and faces in their minds eye when doing so.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-epstein/what-harvey-milk-tells-us_b_145288.html
Oh boy making a big deal about abortions when they just love executing people...
Good morning / afternoon, all
Remember last week when I posted that Mayor Daley announced that he had a meeting with a bunch of CEOs from companies HQed in Chicago in order to give him a heads up on the business so he can plan next years budget, and he announced to the world that he was told to expect massive layoffs in the next 2 months and a LOT more next year?
Here it comes.
Boeing warns layoffs coming in 2009
Sara Lee to stop making kosher meats, close Chicago plant
Ford has already started making good on their plan to cut nearly 800 jobs
It must be really nice to live on that Elite South Side these days.
There are more to come. All we have to do is look at the companies that have HQs in Chicago and figure out which part of the Country have plants owned by them.
Heck of a job, Chimpy.
Coulter is the best comedienne EVER! I just love her satire.
Until we elect a stupid black man to the presidency, at least comparable to George W. Bush, this country has not truly acheived equality.
BILL MAHER'S "NEW RULE(S)" ...
New Rule: Stop saying that we've overcome racism just because we've found a qualified black man and elected him president. Everybody knows we won't have true equality until we elect a dumb, unqualified black man.
New Rule: When you say you're not comparing someone to Hitler, you're comparing them to Hitler. This week, a Georgia congressman said, "I'm not comparing Obama to Adolf Hitler. What I'm saying is there's the potential of going down that road." Well, Congressman, I'm not comparing your head to a butt-plug, but it does seem to spend a lot of time up your ass.
New Rule: Stop calling it "Scotch" tape. I ate a whole roll; I didn't even get tipsy.
New Rule: Hank Paulson must drop the $700 billion in bailout money from a plane and let everyone scramble for it on the ground. Sure, it'll be chaos, but at least this way we have a chance of getting our money back.
And, finally, New Rule: The rest of the world can go back to being completely jealous of America. Yes...our majority white country just freely elected a black president; something no other democracy has ever done. Take that, Canada! Where's your Nubian warrior president? Your head of state is a boring white dude named Stephen Harper. And mine is a kick-ass black ninja named Barack Hussein Obama!
The_Evil_Dr*Burd on November 21, 2008 at 12:18 PM
don't ya get it, silly puss? It is the HYPOCRISY that we hate!!! Republicans are ALL two faced.
show your own 2 adopted kids that video. Watch Palin saying she will show mercy and pardon her turkey, then stand outside with that butcher and that bloody table killing turkey after turkey!!!
see what THEY say.......
Mann Coldsore is a hack who's time has come and gone. Has anybody noticed the refreshing lack of her ugly mug and whiny nasal drone on TV during the election coverage?
Even a LOT of those second ties small town newspapers that provided most of her readership have dropped her/it.
So, what's a fading hermaphrodite to do?
How the mighty do fall: Ann Coulter pitching right-wing stock-tip scams.
Pretty soon she will be on QVC screaming hype about some second rate product in the middle of the night.
Maybe she can go the route of Joan Rivers, but instead of shilling cheap jewelry she could push black cocktail dresses. "YOU can look just like Man Coldsore with this authentic GOP Hooker dress" (Annoying voice, sociopathic attitude and dearth of ideas sold separately.)
PamB on November 21, 2008 at 01:09 PM
Conservatives don't "get" irony...or hypocrisy, for that matter.
325YayObama on November 21, 2008 at 01:35 PM
Agreed. The more they post the better the dems look. That's why the majority of Americans view the republicans so unfavorably. They know that so many of them are more concerned with taking down the discussion in this country rather than building it up.
i have to say it again you dems are some hateful people remember we are all americans GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
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