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wasn't talking about sewage though except in reference to your CT drinking water
my mistake. I meant City water running through pipes to people's homes, and called them the sewers by mistake.
Ankorage I am sure, has City water , Not wells !
That is oil they drill and well, numbie, not water.
Shows how much an on-line Mensa knows. all this blabber about wells! Quit trying to pretend you know something. You would never ever make it out in the real world. That is why you hide out in the bowels of the USA !
Hey DooBee, did you see how bush is starting to reveal the truth about the last 8 years? He wants to write a book when he leaves office. I'll bet there will be a big rush on for that!!! hahahaha
RJ
Kyl is one of those, like Fred Thompson, who says that Federal Judges need to make their decisions based on the word of religion as opposed to the letter of the law. Thompson knows better and probably Kyl does too - they just can't seem to break the habit of 'pandering' to the 'base of the party,' even though it's the base of the party that cost them this election.
The Palins hit a new low, allowing 7-year-old Piper to do brief Today Show Interview. She admits she missed "a lot" of school being exploited on the campaign trail and that it is "really hard" to catch up now. Let's hope she makes out better than oldest brother (high school dropout) and oldest sister (pregnant in 11th grade, boyfriend also high school dropout).
Real Family Value people, all right!
If this turns out to work, it will be a gift from GOD!
Reprint from Previous Thread:
Doctors say marrow transplant may have cured AIDS
By PATRICK McGROARTY, Associated Press Writer 57 mins ago
BERLIN – An American man who suffered from AIDS appears to have been cured of the disease 20 months after receiving a targeted bone marrow transplant normally used to fight leukemia, his doctors said Wednesday.
While researchers — and the doctors themselves — caution that the case might be no more than a fluke, others say it may inspire a greater interest in gene therapy to fight the disease that claims 2 million lives each year. The virus has infected 33 million people worldwide.
Dr. Gero Huetter said his 42-year-old patient, an American living in Berlin who was not identified, had been infected with the AIDS virus for more than a decade. But 20 months after undergoing a transplant of genetically selected bone marrow, he no longer shows signs of carrying the virus.
"We waited every day for a bad reading," Huetter said.
It has not come. Researchers at Berlin's Charite hospital and medical school say tests on his bone marrow, blood and other organ tissues have all been clean.
However, Dr. Andrew Badley, director of the HIV and immunology research lab at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn., said those tests have probably not been extensive enough.
"A lot more scrutiny from a lot of different biological samples would be required to say it's not present," Badley said.
This isn't the first time marrow transplants have been attempted for treating AIDS or HIV infection. In 1999, an article in the journal Medical Hypotheses reviewed the results of 32 attempts reported between 1982 and 1996. In two cases, HIV was apparently eradicated, the review reported.
Hi MaryMac,
Waiting for my ride to go to the First UCONN game tonight ! Exciting season this year.
Final four is in St. Louis next Spring. I have my tickets and my hotel. Maybe I will get to meet Sandy H.
Here's good news. Even if Coleman should win, he may be indicted and kicked out of the Senate anyways. I think they have a Dem. Governor, don't they?
Group Calls For FBI, Senate Investigation Into Coleman
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/12/group-calls-for-fbi-senat_n_143320.html
Stevie had to leave to go to work? All those dumpsters, so little time! heeheehee
Pam: All the web sites keep trying to analyze what 'went wrong' for John McCain. I can sum it up in one word "hyprocisy!" Not just from Palin but from the whole campaign.
Clean water in Alaska? I wouldn't give a drink of that sludge to my babies!
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Protect_Alaska's_Clean_Water_Act_(2008)
pam, sally has a direct line to the inside info. that is why it's predictions were so accurate!
hahahahahahaha
Hook first dude and the slop bucket of sows up! She's ready to plow!
oh good golly! she beast can see russia from her kitchen window, so she is a foreign relations expert, and steve has seen pictures of she beasts home, so she must drink water from the rivers of Heaven!
humor just doesn't get any better than this.
I think I am wrong in thinking steve is miserable, because ignorance is bliss...he's really a very happy go lucky kinda guy!
hopefully the republicans will be way too stupid to realize that crist is their best shot at respectability and will bury him with maniacs like palin and huckster...
meanwhile stevens senate race up in alaska has seen his lead go from about 3000 votes to about 900. and there are still alot to count. be funny if while palin is running her mouth all over the country her party loses a senate seat in her state.
1140 W Parks Hwy Wasilla AK 99654---Monthly Payment: $3,086
Wasilla, Alaska Real Estate and Sarah Palin’s House
Alaska Governor's salary:
Alaska $81,648 $81,648
Governors' Paychecks Vary Widely
Boy, that Toddler must sell a shit load of "snow machines" and win a boat load of cash for his "snow machine" races.
One would think that family of carny's could afford their own silk boxers and fancy baby duds and kids' undies.
What a bunch of scam artists.
When is she ever going to get around to releasing her tax info?
it's a great hobby to make fun of one mentally ill old geezer in the woods of MN who posts for years on an opposing political parties blog where everyone hates him. hahaha
pristine water shall only touch the lips of your ever loverly and talented she beast. hahaha
sticks and stones you crazy loon.
dpd, what i would like to know is the details on how todd and his friends built their home. who were his friends and did they have anything to do with building the hockey arena to nowhere?
as to the water in alaska i can only assume that it is tainted with kool aid of one sort or another.
your right esmeralda, sally doesn't really care who wins the elections. it just wants a place to hang out and be annoying. after four years of telling us how badly our party would do ( 06 election and 08 election ) it's party has been decimated but sally doesn't mind. it just feels good for it to flail about and foam at the mouth.
time for this nutty fat girl to go walk power walk. I'm healthy and I have lots of people who love and adore me. unlike the loon who hides in the woods of MN and haunts the DNC blog 24/7 where everyone hates him.
our guy, begich, just went up by 3 votes in alaska!
more good news for sally because if the dems get a filibuster proof senate everything will be their fault and palin will win in 2012...
Evening all good Dems,
Thom Hartman today was reporting that both Cindy and moose barbie had affairs. These people are f**king hypocrites as are the religious freaks who support them. And they have the nerve to chastise
Democrats. The Democrats are the party of family values, not the pukes.
Evening all good Dems! Gregg: what brought about the change in the votes in Alaska - absentee ballots? Actually - who cares - as long as a Democrat gets the win!
And the Pugs molest minor boys while they steal the kid's wallet and then lie about it.
Classy Party ya have there, "Stupidest Man on Earth".
Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on November 12, 2008 at 08:36 PM
Or they accost strangers in public bathrooms!
DBDBD: And don't forget the whore-monger Vitter who patronizes houses of prostitution in both our nation's capitol and in his home state of Louisiana.
marymac_memphis on November 12, 2008 at 08:36 PM
It's because the early ballots haven't been counted, and some results can't be tabulated until the remote voter tallies arrive by registered mail, which has kind of spotty service from the tundra.
As the official count arrives in Anchorage they get put in a pile and counted in order.
Most of the absentee and early votes are going for Begich, as was always expected.
Here is a post from Noon, EST explaining which Districts are still unreported, and the breakdown of the already counted vote tallies.
DBDBD: What it comes down to is our guys give in to temptation while their guys are sexual predators out to use and abuse while hypocritically chastising others for doing far, far less.
Mary, it's in their genes that they can't keep it in their jeans. Pugs are Authoritarians who believe that their shit don't stink, and everything is OK if they don't get caught. They are not only above the law, they MAKE the law.
It's been proven by several studies that there is a flaw in their brains that makes them think that way.
They do whatever they want, and even if they DO get caught they either try to change the law or have some lame ass excuse so they can do it again.
Witness Foley today. "Well, the kids were ALMOST of legal age".
Or Larry Craig. He gets busted for lewd behavior and invading someones privacy and he immediately turns it into an anti Gay rant. "I AM NOT Gay...".
He wasn't busted for being gay, he was busted for soliciting sex in a Public restroom and abusing his Office in order to intimidate a cop.
He can suck all the dudes he wants. All he has to do is find a partner somewhere other than an International Airport.
I apologize for the length; however, this is just too good not to post.
After Four Decades, Finally, the Beginning of the End
Thursday 06 November 2008
by: Mark Weisbrot, t r u t h o u t | Perspective
The nation's capital came alive after 11 PM on election eve, as thousands poured into the streets to celebrate a victory that everyone was calling historic. Car horns blaring, whooping and shouting, high fives all around, multi-racial crowds celebrating joyously. Historic it is, most obviously in the election of an African-American president, in a country where millions of black people could not even vote when the new president-elect was born. The rapper Jay-Z elegantly expressed the Obama campaign's connection to the long struggle for equality, along with the enthusiasm that it generated: "Rosa Parks sat so that Martin Luther King could walk. Martin Luther King walked so that Obama could run. Obama's running so that we all can fly."
But there is another sense in which this election will likely turn out to be historic. For nearly four decades, this country has been moving to the right. Unfortunately we must include the Clinton years in this right-wing trajectory: with such major regressive structural changes as welfare reform, the World Trade Organization and NAFTA, the Clinton administration continued the country's rightward drift on economic if not social issues. In other words, it continued using the government to make rules that would redistribute income, wealth and power towards the upper classes. (These are generally described somewhat inaccurately as "free-market" or "free-trade" policies.)
The right's ascendancy began with the election of Richard Nixon in 1968, who rode into office on a backlash against the social movements of the 1960s, especially the civil rights and antiwar movements. Nixon's infamous "Southern Strategy" deployed a coded racist appeal that would help make the South Republican and ensure that no Democratic presidential candidate would get a majority of white voters (they didn't from 1968 to 2004).
Reagan continued this strategy, but also initiated a counterrevolution on the economic front, decimating organized labor and cutting taxes for the rich. It was an economic failure by any objective measure, but it succeeded in drastically changing the ideological climate on economic issues. By the end of the Reagan (and George H.W. Bush) administrations in 1993, the typical Democratic member of Congress was far to the right of Richard Nixon on most economic policy.
The impact of this economic counterrevolution on the living standards of the majority of Americans can hardly be over-emphasized. Prior to the Reagan years, the United States was on its way to becoming more like Europe, with a welfare state and social safety net that would allow the vast majority of its citizens to enjoy the benefits of a developed, high-income economy. When Medicare and Medicaid were enacted in 1965, it was widely believed that insuring the elderly and the poor, respectively, were just the first steps toward universal health insurance.
The assault that began with Ronald Reagan's firing of 12,000 striking air traffic controllers in 1981 set the nation on a very different path. By the time George W. Bush took over, he was even able to go after Social Security, the bedrock New Deal anti-poverty program whose beneficiaries include about one-sixth of the population. Bush lost that battle to a grass-roots groundswell of opposition. But the fact that he could even launch such a privatization effort, where Ronald Reagan would not even dare to tread, showed how far America had fallen from the economics, social norms and basic ethical principles that prior generations had taken for granted.
The end result of America's long right-wing experiment was perhaps the most massive redistribution of income and wealth in our history. Over the last 35 years, there has been virtually no increase in real wages for the majority of the labor force. At the same time, the top 1 percent of households (with earnings of more than $1.2 million) saw their real incomes more than triple. A new "gilded age" of gross class inequalities became the norm; workers without a college degree (still more than 70 percent of the labor force) could no longer have the same expectations of landing a job that would allow them to afford a home and a family.
Now that long journey into darkness has finally come to an end. My own view is that the 2006 Congressional elections may have been the turning point. It was then that Democrats regained the Congress on the basis of a more populist appeal by some of their candidates, and a mass revulsion with the war in Iraq. Even if McCain had won the presidency in yesterday's election, he would have faced great obstacles in pursuing a right-wing agenda, but he could have taken a lot of people to their graves trying. His best bet for saving the Republican Party from a long walk through the political wilderness would have been the one threatened by Vice President Dick Cheney and other fellow neoconservatives: more war, most likely beginning with a military strike against Iran. This is how they retained the Congress in 2002, when the economy was also bleeding jobs after the bursting of the stock market bubble and the consequent recession of 2001. From August 2002 until the November election, the build-up for the Iraq war pushed all of the voters' most important concerns out of the news. It worked.
This time they couldn't pull it off, and Obama's election has saved us from a repeat of these kinds of crimes. One of the most interesting things about this election is that it also showed how the Democrats could have avoided most of this long nightmare of right-wing rule by simply appealing to the class interests of the key swing demographic, which is white working class voters. Like Dorothy in "The Wizard of Oz," their way back to Kansas was right in front of them all this time. Noncollege-educated whites with household income between $30,000-$50,000 voted for George W. Bush by a margin of 24 percentage points; for those with income between $50,000-$75,000 it was 41 percentage points (70-29). Obama did not make the kind of appeal that would really clinch this demographic, which includes many "Reagan Democrats"; but Wall Street did it for him. The financial crisis that exploded in mid-September sealed the outcome of this election. The Republicans' fake populist appeal to these swing voters, painting the Democrats as an "elite" who did not respect their culture or religion, rang hollow in the face of millions of mortgage foreclosures, job losses, collapsing retirement savings and a shrinking economy. The politics of deploying "weapons of mass distraction," including the so-called "war on terror," had finally run its course.
But foreign policy will remain the Democrats' Achilles's heel for some time to come. This is also a mostly self-inflicted handicap. The most important Democratic leaders promote the same assumptions about foreign policy as the Republicans: that terrorism is practically the most important threat facing our country; that extremism and anti-US sentiment in the world has nothing to do with our foreign policy; that America is really defending itself, or promoting "democracy," when it invades other countries or destabilizes foreign governments. If this is really the state of the world, then there is some logic to voting Republican. Why not vote for the guy who is willing to protect us by any means necessary from these unavoidable, mortal dangers?
And someone who won't be constrained by a political base that includes peace activists and others who might shrink from the violence necessary to defend ourselves? Of course there are millions of Democratic Party activists and primary voters who see right through the charade, and vote Democratic with the hope that the jingoistic campaign rhetoric is just for show. But unfortunately, there are a lot of voters who believe the hype from both parties, which is often reinforced in the media. Thus, on the eve of this election, John McCain still had a 14 percentage-point edge over Barack Obama on "national security," while trailing on almost every other issue. (Interestingly, the people of Washington, DC, and New York City, the prior victims and most at-risk of any future terrorist attack, are practically deaf to the right's fear-mongering - McCain lost DC by 93 percent to 7 percent; while the most receptive audiences live in places like Wyoming and Oklahoma where they are more likely to be hit by a meteor from outer space than to get hurt by a foreign terrorist. This is another indicator of how far removed the politics of "national security" are from any real threats.)
This time, none of that stuff mattered, because the economy was going down the drain. However, until the Democrats present a more reality-based program on foreign policy, they will still be vulnerable to external events and the hyping of foreign threats, even if they are ridiculously exaggerated, of our own making or altogether imaginary.
For now, though, the domestic economy will occupy center stage as the new government faces the worst recession in decades, and one that is just beginning - the housing bubble that caused this recession is only about 60 percent deflated. The people have voted for change, including expanded health care coverage and - as they did in 2006 - an end to the Iraq war. How much change we will actually see will depend more than anything on how much pressure there is from below.
But there is plenty to celebrate in addition to the election of our first African-American president. Forty years is a long time for a country to be on the wrong track, and even worse for one that has so much influence on the rest of the world. We now have an opportunity to resume the economic and social progress that was considered almost inevitable a few decades ago, and to address some of the most urgent environmental problems - most importantly, climate change - which have only recently become widely recognized. Who knows, we might even stop invading other countries and move towards becoming a law-abiding member of the international community. Progress is now at least possible, although it will still be an uphill fight. As Obama himself said in his acceptance speech, "This victory alone is not the change we seek. It is only the chance for us to make that change."
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Mark Weisbrot is co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, in Washington, DC.
Goodbye and Good Riddance
Tuesday 11 November 2008
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by: Paul Waldman, The American Prospect
After eight years of President Bush, we almost don't know how to function without him - almost. But before we move on, we should pause to remember just what we're leaving behind.
Just over two years into George W. Bush's presidency, The American Prospect featured Bush on its cover under the headline, "The Most Dangerous President Ever." At the time, some probably thought it a bit over the top. But nearly six years later, it's worth taking a moment to reflect on the multifaceted burden that will soon be lifted from our collective shoulders.
Since last week, I have stopped short and shaken my head in amazement every time I have heard the words "President-elect Obama." But it is equally extraordinary to consider that in just a few weeks, George W. Bush will no longer be our president. Let me repeat that: In just a few weeks, George W. Bush will no longer be our president. So though our long national ordeal isn't quite over, it's never too early to say goodbye.
Goodbye, we can say at last, to the most powerful man in the world being such a ridiculous buffoon, incapable of stringing together two coherent sentences. Goodbye to cringing with dread every time our president steps onto the world stage, sure he'll say or do something to embarrass us all. Goodbye to being represented by a man who embodies everything our enemies want the people of the world to believe about America - that we are ignorant, cruel, and only care about foreign countries when we decide to stomp on them. Goodbye to his giggle, and his shoulder shake, and his nicknames. Goodbye to a president who talks to us like we're a nation of fourth-graders.
And goodbye, of course, to Dick Cheney. Goodbye to the man whose naked contempt for democracy contorted his face to a permanent sneer, who spent his days in his undisclosed location with his man-sized safe. And while we're at it, goodbye to Cheney's consigliore David Addington, as malevolent a force as has ever left his trail of slime across our federal institutions.
Goodbye, indeed, to the entire band of liars and crooks and thieves who have so sullied the federal government that belongs to us all. We can even say goodbye to those who have already gone, to Rummy and Scooter, to Fredo and Rove, tornados of misery left in their wake.
Goodbye to the rotating cast of butchers manning the White House's legal abattoir, where the Constitution has been sliced and bled and gutted since September 11. Goodbye to the "unitary executive" theory and its claims that the president can do whatever he wants - even snatch an American citizen off the street and lock him up for life without charge, without legal representation, and without trial. Goodbye to the promiscuous use of "signing statements" (1,100 at last count) to declare that the law is whatever the president says it is, and that he'll enforce only those laws he likes. Goodbye to an executive branch that treats lawfully issued subpoenas like suggestions that can be ignored. Goodbye to thinking of John Ashcroft as the liberal attorney general. Goodbye to the culture of incompetence, where rebuilding a country we destroyed could be turned over to a bunch of clueless 20-somethings with no qualifications save an internship at the Heritage Foundation and an opposition to abortion. Goodbye to the "Brownie, you're doin' a heckuva job" philosophy, where vital agencies are turned over to incompetent boobs to rot and decay. Goodbye to handing out the Medal of Freedom as an award for engineering one of the greatest screw-ups of our time. Goodbye to an administration that welcomed gluttonous war profiteering, that was only too happy to outsource every government function it could to well-connected contractors who would do a worse job for more money.
Goodbye to the Bush Doctrine of preemptive war. Goodbye to the lust for sending off other people's sons and daughters to fight and kill and die just to show your daddy you're a real man. Goodbye to playing dress-up in flight suits, goodbye to strutting and posing and desperate sexual insecurity as a driver of American foreign policy. Goodbye to the neocons, so sinister and deluded they beg us all to become fevered conspiracy theorists. Goodbye to Guantanamo and its kangaroo courts. Goodbye to the use of torture as official U.S. government policy, and goodbye to the immoral ghouls who think you can rename it "enhanced interrogation techniques" and render it any less monstrous.
Goodbye to the accusation that if you disagree with what the president wants to do, you don't "support the troops."
Goodbye to stocking government agencies with people who are opposed to the very missions those agencies are charged with carrying out. Goodbye to putting industry lobbyists in charge of the agencies that are supposed to regulate those very industries. Goodbye to madly giving away public lands to private interests. Goodbye to a Food and Drug Administration that acts like a wholly owned subsidiary of the pharmaceutical industry, except when it acts like a wholly owned subsidiary of the fundamentalist puritans who believe that sex is dirty and birth control will turn girls into sluts. Goodbye to the "global gag rule," which prohibits any entity receiving American funds from even telling women where they can get an abortion if they need it.
Goodbye to vetoing health insurance for poor children but rushing back to Washington to sign a bill to keep alive a woman whose cerebral cortex had liquefied. Goodbye to the ban on federal funding of embryonic stem-cell research.
Goodbye to the philosophy that says that if we give tax cuts to the rich and keep the government from any oversight of the economy, prosperity will eventually trickle down. Goodbye to the thirst for privatizing Social Security and to the belief that the success of a social safety-net program is what makes it a threat and should mark it for destruction. Goodbye to the war on unions and to a National Labor Relations Board devoted to crushing them. Goodbye to the principle of loyalty above all else, that nominates Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court and puts Alberto Gonzales in charge of the Justice Department. And goodbye to that Justice Department, the one where U.S. attorneys keep their jobs only if they are willing to undertake bogus investigations of Democrats timed to hit the papers just before Election Day. Goodbye to a Justice Department where graduates of Pat Robertson's law school roam the halls by the dozens, where "justice" is a joke.
Goodbye to James Dobson and a host of radical clerics picking up the phone and hearing someone in the White House on the other end. Goodbye to the most consequential decisions being made on the basis of one man's "gut," a gut that proved so wrong so often. Goodbye to the contempt for evidence, to the scorn for intellect and book learnin', to the relentless war on science itself as a means of understanding the world.
Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye to it all.
Though President Obama will be spending most of his time cleaning up the mess George Bush made, we probably won't have Dubya to kick around anymore. It's hard to imagine Bush undertaking some grand philanthropic effort on the scale of the Clinton Global Initiative, or hopping around to international trouble spots like Jimmy Carter. Republicans won't be asking him to speak on their behalf, and publishers are reportedly uninterested in the prospect of a Bush memoir. His reign of destruction complete, Bush will return to Texas and fill his days with the mundane activities of a retiree - puttering around the yard, reading some magazines, maybe enjoying that new Xbox Jenna gave him for Christmas ("I'm the Decider, and I decide to spend this afternoon playing Call of Duty 4").
This presidency is finally over. We can say goodbye to an administration whose misdeeds have piled so high that the size of the mountain no longer shocks us. In our lifetimes, we will see administrations of varying degrees of competence and integrity, some we'll agree with and some we won't. But we will probably never see another quite like the one now finally reaching its end, so mind-boggling a parade of incompetence and malice, dishonesty, and immorality. So at last - at long, long last - we can say goodbye.
And good riddance.
I know - I'm sorry for two long posts - back to back but they were so good - I just couldn't resist!
NEVER has there been spontaneous celebrations and dancing in the streets WORLD WIDE after the results of a announcement of a new President.
NEVER!
Thousands of people just showed up at the White House and started singing "NA NA NA NA...NA NA NA NA...HEY HEY...GOODBYE!"
The Secret Service is expecting about a million people to fill the Mall from the Capitol to the Lincoln Memorial (a distance of about 2 miles).
On the other hand, Chimpy's motorcade was pelted with rotten eggs and tomatoes.
DBDBD; Can you say "Woodstock 2009"? That's what it sounds like it is going to be - only better!
Oh My! Stevie has his crusty undies in a bunch, I see.
Proven wrong about Palin's house (she lives in the Governor's Mansion, idiot), wrong about the dirty sludge water in Alaska. Just Wrong, Wrong, Wrong about everything! I don;'t know how a narcissist can possibly stand being made such a fool of! Esme has it right. He is despised by more people than any who even like him.
I feel bad though at the thought of his lying in that old cabin in the woods when he kicks the bucket, and no one will miss him for weeks. We should be able to smell him all the way to CT, (where the water here is some of the best in the nation! ) heehee.
Good night good Dems. Blog ya all tomorrow.
Hello fine Dems.
I see Dufus Dan is still pretending his is JaunC.
What an idiot.
Spin it any way you want, the FACTS say this country DID NOT Move Left.
48JaunC on November 12, 2008 at 10:17 PM
AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Dufus Dan living up to his name. So Obama won because he is a conservative?
AHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
LOL
Is there anyone left on here besides Dufus Dan and Stupid Sally?
Marymac,
If you're still on, those were GREAT posts. I don't generally like long posts, but those were well worth the read. Thank you.
A few more examples of how well our pet trolls predictions turned out...
Here is a better, more correct prediction. Obama will continue to lose ground until election day culminating in a Mondale type ass thumping.
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SALLY-* ON SEPTEMBER 16, 2008 AT 11:28 PM
Of course if Obama is not ahead by 10 points in any given state, he will lose that state because of the Bradley effect.
If the Democrats wanted to elect a flaming asshat communist they probabley shouldn't have chosen a Negro.
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SALLY-* ON OCTOBER 1, 2008 AT 08:24 PM
Stupid Sally strikes again.
He took conservative positions to win. Just like Cinton. His positions were lies that he adapted to win. For example, 95% of tax filers will not get tax cuts. That is BS.
55Sally-* on November 12, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Gee, Sally, you weren't calling him a conservative BEFORE he won.
AHAHHAAH What a stupid republican dupe.
More Sally stupidity for your reading enjoyment...
McCain will probably get a 3 point bump in the polls now and with the Bradley effect that would put him at 52%.
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SALLY-* ON OCTOBER 2, 2008 AT 11:53 PM
Looks like McCain and the lovely and talented Sarah still have a good lead when the Bradley effect is factored in. And the Bradley effect always works.
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SALLY-* ON OCTOBER 5, 2008 AT 03:01 AM
Obama's lead is slipping away and that is good for America.
Also remember to subtract 5 points from Hussein Obama's polling numbers and add 5 to McCains for the Bradley effect which always works.
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SALLY-* ON OCTOBER 8, 2008 AT 06:25 PM
WOW, Sally... you really are STUPID!
Good bye George Bush and Dick Cheney.
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. Good riddance.
chicago,
sorta here. glance and move on. the trolls were wrong. obama won. the trolls are lost. they'll stay here to read their posts.
i must admit the dean 50 state strategy worked. the mccain move to the right from the center didn't work. big problems now face obama. two wars, sick economy, health care needs, housing crisis, jobs... wreckage. now, political cartoons showing w passing the broom to obama to clean up the mess ... i'd suppose this will take well into 2012 before things settle. then we'll know how obama handled the crisis. and, it'll be well beyond 2012 to move us back to the plus. i hope i'm wrong.
Yes I did numbnuts, I said that Obama has no intention of cutting any ones taxes - he is just saying that to get elected.
60Sally-* on November 12, 2008 at 11:03 PM
Nice try dip-stick. I didn't say you weren't making stupid claims about what he would and would not do. You always make stupid claims. Just look at all the quotes I have from you predicting the election results. What I said was you never claimed he was a CONSERVATIVE before he won the election.
Poor stupid little republican dupe.
america1st on November 12, 2008 at 11:09 PM
America1st,
Good to see you. Yes, Bush has dug a deep hole that Obama will have to lead us out of. All republicans do that.
Chicago doesn't know when he is being taunted.
61Sally-* on November 12, 2008 at 11:04 PM
Hey, stupid Sally... you're being taunted...
Don't you get it?
So, Stupid_Sally,
What in the world were you thinking when you typed this,
The Zogby poll has Obama ahead by only 2 47 - 45. That means that only a 2% Bradley effect would bury Obama. It will be a lot worse than that though for Hussein Obama.
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SALLY-* ON OCTOBER 8, 2008 AT 11:55 PM
Do you realize how STUPID that makes you look now?
Stupid_Sally?
Dufus_Dan?
Where did you guys go?
While I'm waiting for your answer, I'll post another of your really stupid election predictions for all to see.
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The stock market is tanking right now because investors are believing the polls and they think Hussein Obama is going to win the election.
Let me give them some guidance. Obama will not win the election because the American people are in no way gonna elect a liberal ass hat, communist muslim with nothing going for him like Hussein Obama.
You can take that to the bank because as you will recall, when Kerry was ahead by a similar margin at this point in the election, I predicted that there is no way the American People are gonna elect a hairball like John Frickin Kerry.
I was right then and I am right now.
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SALLY-* ON OCTOBER 10, 2008 AT 03:28 AM
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Gee, Stupid_Sally, it looks like you were calling him a LIBERAL BEFORE he was elected...
chicago.
bush was a disaster for his party and this country. i don't really know if anyone knows the depth of the messes aka holes. besides the messes here, we've got goodwill to rebuild overseas. usually, i'm the ultimate optimist, but after today's drop in the markets and what's happening overseas now, those are not good signs. anyone with a job should count themselves very lucky. employment gains are negative. there is a genuine fear. people around here are very worried. obama has his work cut out. i really wonder if anyone can fix this within a 4 yr term.
hi chicago. sally doesn't acknowledge his miserable prediction record or his intense racism. but then sally never mattered much and matters far less these days. here is some really good news i leave you with as i go to bed:
"Congressional Democrats are eyeing a little-known, Clinton-era law as a way to reverse Bush administration midnight regulations — even ones that have already taken effect.
It’s a move that would undermine the White House’s attempt to finalize its energy and environmental regulations by November so that Barack Obama couldn’t undo them after he’s sworn in as the 44th president on Jan. 20.
“Fortunately, [the White House] made a mistake,” said a top Senate Democratic aide.
Last May, White House chief of staff Joshua Bolten instructed federal agency heads to make sure any new regulations were finalized by Nov. 1. The memo didn’t spell it out, but the thinking behind the directive was obvious. As Myron Ebell of the conservative Competitive Enterprise Institute put it: “We’re not going to make the same mistakes the Clinton administration did.”
President Bill Clinton finalized regulations within 60 days of the 2001 inauguration, meaning Bush could come in and easily reverse them.
It could take Obama years to undo climate rules finalized more than 60 days before he takes office — the advantage the White House sought by getting them done by Nov. 1. But that strategy doesn’t account for the Congressional Review Act of 1996.
The law contains a clause determining that any regulation finalized within 60 legislative days of congressional adjournment is considered to have been legally finalized on the 15th legislative day of the new Congress, likely sometime in February. Congress then has 60 days to review it and reverse it with a joint resolution that can’t be filibustered in the Senate.
In other words, any regulation finalized in the last half-year of the Bush administration could be wiped out with a simple party-line vote in the Democrat-controlled Congress..."
He took conservative positions to win.
Sally-* on November 12, 2008 at 10:44 PM
I never claimed he was a conservative
Sally-* on November 12, 2008 at 11:20 PM
OOHH, I see. He is a liberal who runs on conservative positions...? HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA
Wow, you really are a stupid republican dupe.
chicago,
the trolls are lost... the trolls lost... the trolls are lost... the trolls lost... the trolls...
gregg on November 12, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Gregg,
Good to see you on the boards.
And good news about wiping out EVERYTHING related to the Bush nightmare.
Get some sleep. Blog ya' tomorrow.
gregg,
the demos may be able to begin to reverse laws, but the damage done by w and cheney will take decades to right. the only silver lining is that obama has a solid congress. may he use it wisely. the last 8 yrs are a loss.
america1st on November 12, 2008 at 11:35 PM
America1st,
You are of course right. But a lot can be undone by eliminating the Bush executive orders which were not approved by congress. A stroke of the pen can get rid of all of those.
Okay,
I am also off to sleep.
I leave you with two more stupid predictions by Stupid_Sally...
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The polls are totally whacked right now, the democrat should be 10 points ahead but most polls have the race withing the margin of error. And the polls always favor the Democrat candidate. And none of the polls are weighting for the Bradley effect.
It is beginning to look like I was correct months ago - McCain wins 60% - 40%.
So shall it be written - so shall it be.
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SALLY-* ON OCTOBER 10, 2008 AT 04:11 AM
This election will prove that you cannot have terrorist connections, radical goofy anti white anti Jew Anti American preacher connections over 20 years, socialist/communist connections or sleazy real estate deals with slum lords and expect to win the Presidency.
And an affiliation with a voter fraud group like ACORN doesn't help either.
The guy has no chance. None.
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SALLY-* ON OCTOBER 10, 2008 AT 04:19 AM
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Stupid_Sally... the gift that just keeps on giving.
Poor stupid little republican dupe.
QUINNIPIAC UNIVERSITY POLL
Opinion of President-Elect Obama
67% favorable
19% unfavorable
I like "Son of Stupid" posting an OPINION PIECE by Tony Blankley as "proof" that there is only a 22% population of voters who self identify as "Liberal".
First of all, "Son of Stupid" is too dense to understand that the basic FACT that it was an EXIT poll ignores the obvious. Those people were fence sitting "undecided" independents who were bludgeoned for years to think that 'Liberal" was a dirty word. Secondly, the true Liberals and Progressives more than usual voted early, and Third, "No Comment" answers aren't factored in to the totals. If people clam up and say that their vote is none of Rasmussen's business then the poll is worthless.
Just looking at the actual vote totals shows that a VAST majority of last minute voters chose Obama over Grampy Grumpy and the Grifter.
But "Son of Stupid" bases his entire premise on a single edited line from an OP ED my a drunk Brit as being important.
Here is what "S.O.S." posted:
...It is revealing that the exit polling disclosed that the public self-identified itself as 44 percent moderate, 34 percent conservative, 22 percent liberal, which was statistically identical (45-34-21) to the numbers after Bush's 2004 victory...
48 SON OF STUPID ON NOVEMBER 12, 2008 at 10:17 PM
No it isn't, asshole. This moron is comparing his interpretation of EXIT POLLS with after the fact raw data from an entirely different election cycle, which didn't have the degree of early voting as 2008. FOOL.
Here is the entire OP ED from Tony Blankhead that the troll conveniently edited to try to back up his bullshit. You'll have to read deep into it to find his favorite C & P line that he got from the Freepers. God knows he never read the fucking thing himself.
To Battle Stations
A Commentary By Tony Blankley
So, "Son of Stupid" is using a "battle cry" OPINION PIECE (once again) and posting it as "news".
This asshole is so stupid I wonder how he can dress himself, let alone eat a meal using utensils. (His ability to do either has yet to be been proven.)
No, Stupidest Man on Earth. It took about ZERO seconds to Google the first line and get the ENTIRE OPINION PIECE
Maybe you (As the Stupidest Man on Earth) can teach your lap dog (Son of Stupid) to SOURCE AND FACT CHECK!
After all, YOU were punked 3 times in 10 days into using SATIRE pieces as actual "news" because in addition to being the Stupidest Man on Earth, you are also one of the most gullible.
Just because you can Copy and Paste some bullshit from the Gasbag Pundit doesn't mean you are smart.
The thing to remember is to use "critical thinking". But, since you obviously don't know how to think, critically or not, I guess that plan is out the window.
Keep posting and keep cementing your well earned title as The Stupidest Man on Earth.
Moron.
And that math wizard "Son of Stupid" is a REAL treat with his 3rd grade analytical skills.
No wonder you morons think the flat Earth is only 6,000 years old. Go drink your Everclear and Red Kool-Ade.
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THE WORLD'S STUPIDEST MAN* ON NOVEMBER 13, 2008 AT 02:55 AM
Oh, you know what punked means, DENSA.
Bamboozled, HAD, tricked, snookered, taken for a ride, MADE A FOOL OF...
Yet, as is your mission to really clinch that title of "The World's Stupidest Man*" you "play" dumb, all the while proclaiming your mental superiority. Well if you are so damn smart why do you act like the Stupidest Man in the World?
All you have to do is SOURCE and FACT CHECK that crap you post here every night and you won't look like such an easily duped ass all the time.
As for climate change; you are once again demonstrating that you are too stupid to know (or too lazy to learn) the difference between CLIMATE and WEATHER.
But hey, you have a fan in "Son of Stupid", so I guess you can hang that on your wall. Or whatever.
Oh, Stupidest Man on Earth*, I figured out why you call yourself Sally*.
HAHAHAHAHAAAAA!
Pa-the-tic!
You took the $18.00 on line preliminary "test" and never went in for the actual supervised one.
I did take it, and I know what my IQ is. As I have said before, a college counselor slipped and mentioned it to me. BFD.
BTW, "Intelligence" and STUPIDITY (your forte, Sally*) are two different things. HEY! Just like Weather and Climate!
(Now we all know what the asterisk stands for. It is for *HAHAHAHAHAHAH! What an ass!).
I never said a damn thing about Nebraska, but when the facts stare you in the face you just revert to your default position of lying about things, Oh Narcissistic delusional one.
BFD. Ted Kasczinski, Ted Bundy, and Leopold & Loeb were also "genus" misfits.
"Intelligent" doesn't mean "smart". So wear the crown as the World's Stupidest Genius with pride, you socially unacceptable misfit. Lord knows you need something to brag about to your imaginary friends (with the possible exception of Son of Stupid, who hangs on your every word. Hey! You have a "minion"!)
So sayeth the Stupidest Man on Earth. So it has been said, so it has been written, so shall it be.
HAHAHAH!!
No, really. Go away and don't come back, "genius".
Why would MY papers be THERE? Jeeze Louise you are delusional. Now you think you have powers of telekinesis?
I'm not the dude who goes by the name of Sally*. Dress fetish, now?
Do tell. Keep talking, World's stupidest genius. It gets better by the minute.
This is a copy of an original e-mail sent out to voters across America.
Before anything else
From: David Plouffe, Barackobama.com(info@Barackobama.com)
Sent: Wed 11/12 08 1:19 pm
To: ( enter you e-mail address here )
Dear ( your name here )
Our friends at the Democratic National Committee laid it all on the line to bring change this year.
We've been reviewing the books, and the DNC went into considerable debt to secure victory for Barack and Joe. It took unprecedented resources to staff up all 50 states, train field organizers, and build the technology to reach as many swing voters as possible.
It worked.
But it also left the DNC in debt. So before we do anything else, we need to help pay for this winning strategy.
The DNC's 50-state field strategy was crucial to our campaign's success, as well as victories for Democrats up and down the ballot. Their organizing infrastructure allowed us to compete -- and win -- in states that seemed insurmountable just four years ago.
They took out substantial loans to make it happen. The DNC didn't hold back, and now, neither can we.
You were there for this campaign when we needed to reach out to more voters and compete in more states. Now we're relying on grassroots supporters like you to come through for this movement once again.
We'll get to work transforming this country. But first, we need to take care of the DNC.
Please make a donation of $30 or more today and receive your Obama Victory T-shirt:
Thank you for everything
David Plouffe
Campaign Manager
Obama for America
New York Times
"For the presidential election, the candidates themselves have raised $1.5 billion since the race began in January 2007. This is the first time that candidate fund-raising has topped $1 billion. It is also double the amount candidates raised in 2000, and triple the amount candidates raised in 2004, according to the Center’s report.
More than $1 billion of the $1.5 billion collected by candidates was raised by just three. Senator Barack Obama has raised a record-shattering $621 million, and Hillary Clinton and John McCain raised a combined $485 million."
So let’s get this straight. You raised $621 million for your campaign. You are in debt and asking ME for more. If you can't balance your own budget with all time record fund raising. How do you expect to balance the budget for my country, U. S. A .
This is a copy of an original e-mail sent out to voters across America.
Before anything else
From: David Plouffe, Barackobama.com(info@Barackobama.com)
Sent: Wed 11/12 08 1:19 pm
To: ( enter you e-mail address here )
Dear ( your name here )
Our friends at the Democratic National Committee laid it all on the line to bring change this year.
We've been reviewing the books, and the DNC went into considerable debt to secure victory for Barack and Joe. It took unprecedented resources to staff up all 50 states, train field organizers, and build the technology to reach as many swing voters as possible.
It worked.
But it also left the DNC in debt. So before we do anything else, we need to help pay for this winning strategy.
The DNC's 50-state field strategy was crucial to our campaign's success, as well as victories for Democrats up and down the ballot. Their organizing infrastructure allowed us to compete -- and win -- in states that seemed insurmountable just four years ago.
They took out substantial loans to make it happen. The DNC didn't hold back, and now, neither can we.
You were there for this campaign when we needed to reach out to more voters and compete in more states. Now we're relying on grassroots supporters like you to come through for this movement once again.
We'll get to work transforming this country. But first, we need to take care of the DNC.
Please make a donation of $30 or more today and receive your Obama Victory T-shirt:
Thank you for everything
David Plouffe
Campaign Manager
Obama for America
New York Times
"For the presidential election, the candidates themselves have raised $1.5 billion since the race began in January 2007. This is the first time that candidate fund-raising has topped $1 billion. It is also double the amount candidates raised in 2000, and triple the amount candidates raised in 2004, according to the Center’s report.
More than $1 billion of the $1.5 billion collected by candidates was raised by just three. Senator Barack Obama has raised a record-shattering $621 million, and Hillary Clinton and John McCain raised a combined $485 million."
So let’s get this straight. You raised $621 million for your campaign. You are in debt and asking ME for more. If you can't balance your own budget with all time record fund raising. How do you expect to balance the budget for my country, U. S. A .
This is a copy of an original e-mail sent out to voters across America.
Before anything else
From: David Plouffe, Barackobama.com(info@Barackobama.com)
Sent: Wed 11/12 08 1:19 pm
To: ( enter you e-mail address here )
Dear ( your name here )
Our friends at the Democratic National Committee laid it all on the line to bring change this year.
We've been reviewing the books, and the DNC went into considerable debt to secure victory for Barack and Joe. It took unprecedented resources to staff up all 50 states, train field organizers, and build the technology to reach as many swing voters as possible.
It worked.
But it also left the DNC in debt. So before we do anything else, we need to help pay for this winning strategy.
The DNC's 50-state field strategy was crucial to our campaign's success, as well as victories for Democrats up and down the ballot. Their organizing infrastructure allowed us to compete -- and win -- in states that seemed insurmountable just four years ago.
They took out substantial loans to make it happen. The DNC didn't hold back, and now, neither can we.
You were there for this campaign when we needed to reach out to more voters and compete in more states. Now we're relying on grassroots supporters like you to come through for this movement once again.
We'll get to work transforming this country. But first, we need to take care of the DNC.
Please make a donation of $30 or more today and receive your Obama Victory T-shirt:
Thank you for everything
David Plouffe
Campaign Manager
Obama for America
New York Times
"For the presidential election, the candidates themselves have raised $1.5 billion since the race began in January 2007. This is the first time that candidate fund-raising has topped $1 billion. It is also double the amount candidates raised in 2000, and triple the amount candidates raised in 2004, according to the Center’s report.
More than $1 billion of the $1.5 billion collected by candidates was raised by just three. Senator Barack Obama has raised a record-shattering $621 million, and Hillary Clinton and John McCain raised a combined $485 million."
So let’s get this straight. You raised $621 million for your campaign. You are in debt and asking ME for more. If you can't balance your own budget with all time record fund raising. How do you expect to balance the budget for my country, U. S. A .
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lasmat on November 13, 2008 at 06:31 AM
Because there are laws about Obama transferring his campaign funds to retire Clinton's debt. That's why.
Maybe that fat ass drug addicted gas bag Flush can write her a check? He can call it "Operation Pill Pop and Money Drop".
Checks and balance.We let one government run wild with our money. If you want real change, people in charge need to be accountable for what is being spent right now and for what and why.
Private political fundraising is NOT government spending. Also, Obama is stuck with Chimpy's budgets for at least 1 year (2 in certain areas).
He hasn't even been sworn in yet. Chill out.
well it looks like we are going to have a democratic senator from the great water state of alaska....begich up by 814 votes and the rest of the uncounted are from areas he is expected to do quite well in. so now if we can steal one in minn. ( yeah sally we'll even steal one in your home state ) and then pull off a big upset in georgia....
My Rush corrupted older brother responded to an email I sent him with a link to a Daily show bit with a lame attempt at humor in the form of a comment regarding having a brother in the white house. He unleashed the torrent below.
Well actually his brotherdom means nothing to me.
He is clear thinking, smart, well educated, psychologically tough, actually displays a superior character and knows how to get ideas and information in order to make good decisions.
The embarrassment that has trashed this country for the past 8 years looks and acts stupid and bizarre in comparison.
His politics are roughly middle of the road contrary to the propaganda from the bs machine (R).
You can expect good things coming to be sure, and hopefully that will put an end to the strange misguided and fanatical attachment to all things 'conservative' that I have seen disease so many minds.
My thinking tends to be conservative too, but not so much that contradictions and non-answers and corruption and arrogance and blatant lying and ineptitude and racism and oppression and the wanton use of projective character attacks and 'hot button' issues that are never going to be changed (like guns and abortion) escape my attention. I will vote for honest liberalism every single time before I vote for that putrid and desperate clamoring for power that so well defines what the republican party has been for as long as I have been politically aware. And that is not a reference to Obama because although he is a democrat and tends to lean a little left, my reference is to liberalism in general. Obama is quite simply the best presidential candidate I have ever seen in my life. McCain took on a joke for VP that was so far out of her place it was insulting even to McCain. It was a strategic pick that was shallow and poorly thought through that backfired because while the republican horse pumped its stiff green gallop the American people had had more than enough, and he got what he deserved as did anyone blind enough to vote for that ridiculous ticket.
Here is a dose of reality. We rarely if ever have the luxury of picking the candidate that best represents our world view. One, the other or all are so corrupted by pressures and/or dishonesty and/or severely flawed character in some form or another we are left with other characteristics to choose from. Their party, looks, smile, gender, race, the hints we can ascertain their mind from. In the example above, I opted for a combination of: closer to my views, but far more importantly, far far less corrupted and much more capable.
juneo water....pristine as todd palin's resume...hahahahaha
Dirty Old Mines
By Kate Golden | JUNEAU EMPIRE
"... Around Juneau, however, a few problems do remain. For instance, the lower of two tailings dumps from the Treadwell mine in Douglas was long a barren zone without plants, about a quarter of a mile south of Sandy Beach.
"I used to run down there all the time," said DEC's Janes, who grew up on Douglas Island. It has never been the kind of toxicity that would instantly make someone sick, he said.
But Department of Environmental Conservation documents noted higher levels of zinc, lead, arsenic and mercury there in 1993.
"Obvious stress to vegetation because no vegetation is growing there," an unknown author wrote of the cyanide mill tailings area in 1999.
Sometimes cleaning up is as simple as covering up.
Last summer, landowner AJT Mining Properties, which owns Alaska Electric Light & Power, covered the zone with topsoil, fertilizer and grass seed.
Residual soil contamination remains underneath the topsoil and growth, but the barrier prevents it from being harmful to people, according to DEC documents.
"I suspect they will have to re-hydroseed it every year," said Janes. "You're always balancing out cost with benefit."
The method used is much cheaper than hauling all that material outside Southeast, which could have cost up to six figures, he said.
Unknowns and cleanup dilemmas
The sand of the Thane mine tailings dump, near Sheep Creek and the old Alaska Gastineau mine, has arsenic and lead in it at twice the concentration of surrounding areas.
The official state cleanup threshold is 4.5 parts per million of arsenic. A study found 35 parts per million.
"If you had arsenic in your yard at 35 parts per million, and kids were playing in your yard, you'd have a concern," Janes said.
But nothing has been done about the Thane Road rock dump.
"Extent of contamination unknown," state documents say. "No public health concerns identified with the site at this time."
That is partly because the area isn't a residential area, and partly because arsenic levels well beyond the cleanup threshold occur naturally, according to Janes.
"What do you do, go out and clean up Mother Nature?" he said. "You've got to be realistic about this."
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service recently found elevated levels of zinc, copper, arsenic and lead in fish from that area. It's hard to say whether those metals came from natural or manmade sources, Janes said.
Clam-digging in tailings
The state is worried about some areas heavily used for subsistence.
For instance, the Salt Chuck Mine, four miles southwest of Thorne Bay on Prince of Wales Island, was an acid-producing mine from 1919 to 1941. Now it's a low-priority Superfund site. The state found heavy metal contamination of surface water, clams and intertidal sediments, and petroleum-contaminated soil.
People from the village of Kassan harvest shellfish from there, said Drew Grant of DEC, who will consider designating the area as an impaired water body.
The question is how pervasive and how chronic the problems are, he said.
Another former mine, Klag Bay, on west Chichagof Island, has been listed by DEC as an impaired water body since 1996, and is another low-priority Superfund site.
From 1906 until it was closed by a war order in 1942, more than 600,000 ounces of gold and 2 million ounces of silver were extracted from the mine. The tailings were dumped directly into the water.
Since then its blue mussels have been found to have abnormalities.
It might not be a good idea to eat them, Grant said. "Maybe not even the fish."
The area is known to be frequented by subsistence users, but the actual danger to humans is still unquantified.
The state is looking for a consultant to assess that, Grant said.
Gamma radiation on Prince of Wales
On Prince of Wales Island lies the defunct Ross-Adams uranium and thorium mine, on Bokan Mountain, with 184,000 tons of radioactive waste rock.
Discovery of the gamma radiation in 1955 is what prompted mining there in the first place.
The Ross-Adams mine is a contaminated site according to DEC, and a Superfund site that the Environmental Protection Agency tracks but has not proposed for the National Priority List.
The EPA is now filling in the "data gaps," according to DEC documents.
Meanwhile, there's been recent prospecting in the area. If the prospectors decide to develop a mine, they could be responsible for cleaning up any pre-existing problems.
Finding responsible parties to clean up abandoned mine sites can be difficult when the mines closed decades ago, according to state and federal officials. Renewed interest in old mines can be a valuable government hook into getting expensive problems fixed, and not just in this country.
For example, recently the British Columbia provincial government required Redfern Resources Ltd. to clean up acidic tailings from two old Cominco mines before digging anew at the Tulsequah Chief mine site, 40 miles northwest of Juneau.
But the expense makes prospectors wary of where they work, according to Crafford, mine permitting coordinator.
"They'll be careful to not put themselves in the position where they would be responsible for cleaning up issues related to the prior mining," Crafford said. "It can be a tremendous financial liability."
Other contaminated Southeast mine sites:
Contaminated sites around Juneau:
• Jualapa Tunnel: This former underground sluice for gold extraction now pipes Juneau's drinking water to Gold Creek. In 1987, the state found mercury on the tunnel floor, but this was not making it into the drinking water. Nonetheless, the state installed a concrete barrier and a plastic liner to prevent mercury from entering the water.
• Perseverance Mill: This site off Perseverance Trail has elevated levels of arsenic, lead, zinc and mercury. The area is "hazardous but stable," according to a 1988 study by the landowner. The Alaska Department of Environmental Conservation found the area to be too contaminated to allow plants to grow as they would naturally, though metals weren't leaching out to the surface or groundwater.
Some contaminated sites in Southeast Alaska:
• Mahoney Zinc Mine, nine miles northeast of Ketchikan. Documented since 2001. The U.S. Forest Service found highly elevated lead, zinc and cadmium levels at the site, but nothing in nearby water bodies. Abandoned equipment litters the nearby woods.
• Sealevel Mine, in a roadless part of the Tongass on the northeast end of Ketchikan. Low-priority Superfund site. Heavy metals in tailings and more than 800 cubic yards of soil.
• Riverside Mountain Mine, seven miles north of Hyder. High levels of cadmium, lead, arsenic, mercury and zinc in the sediments and surface water, flowing into the Salmon River.
• Gold Standard Mine, at Mill Creek, West Helm Bay, near Ketchikan. "Visible mercury beads in mine tailings," according to state documents.
• Kimsham Cove Mine, on West Chichagof Island. Tailings were dumped into the intertidal zone. The state found mercury, arsenic, cobalt, copper, lead and silver there.
• Beaver Falls Mine, near Ketchikan. The Alaska Lead and Silver Mine left some chemicals and processed metal ores at the mill site, but "no observed threats to groundwater," according to state documents..."
this is interesting. turns out wasilla is sixth in most chloromethane contaminated water in alaska.
Chloromethane Summary for Alaska
37,611
People drinking water contaminated with Chloromethane in Alaska
14
Communities served water contaminated with Chloromethane in Alaska
Table. The most polluted communities in Alaska
38,000 Americans in 14 Alaska communities were served tap water contaminated with Chloromethane between 1998 and 2003
Ranked by highest average Chloromethane level
6 Wasilla Lacy Lane S / D Wasilla, AK
http://www.ewg.org/tapwater/statereports/state_contaminant.php?state=AK&contam=2210
"Breathing very high levels, even for a short time, can have serious effects on your nervous system, including convulsions and coma.
Lower exposures can also cause staggering, blurred or double vision, dizziness, fatigue, personality changes, confusion, tremors, nausea, or vomiting. These symptoms can last for several months or years.
Exposure to chloromethane can harm your liver and kidneys. It could also affect your heart rate and blood pressure.
Some animal studies showed that animals that breathed low levels of chloromethane experienced slower growth and had brain damage. In other animal studies, males that were exposed to chloromethane were less fertile, or even sterile, or produced damaged sperm. Females that became pregnant by these males lost their developing young."
Rather than cutting taxes on the middle class he raised them. So will Obama.
82Sally-* on November 13, 2008 at 12:25 AM
If Obama were to put in a modest tax increase like Clinton did, and on the other side, the Stock market soared, my financial portfolio increased by thousands each year, the Economy and job market were the best ever, my children's futures were secure, then I would have no problem whatsoever with it. What on earth do you care about taxes anyways? You don't pay any selling trash on EBAY
and if there are any locos out there, who think that Stevie has employees or a cleaning lady for a one room shack in the woods, please call me. I have a bridge I am trying to sell. 1=800=SallyLies.
Palin in Larry King now. Boy, is she goofy.
Big Yellow Dog:
it's funny. We were watching Palin being interviewed by Wolf on CNN during dinner yesterday. My daughter said "What did she say"?. " She speaks in circles and at the end, you don't understand what on earth she is saying." I saw Judge Judy on Larry King the other night, say do not underestimate her, she is smart, but God Knows, I have tried and tried and don't see it. Her only gift is the gift of double talking which fools some of the people. I say bring her on! I also saw someone say this love of the spotlight is going to backfire on her. The worst thing someone like her needs, is Overexposure !
And good morning ... so this is the open Thursday thread?
rjsnj
It appears to be. A well run site by no one's standards.
But you must remember that I am the only Mensa member here on our blog so someone of your obvious intellectual deficiency shouldn't be commenting on my superior intelligence
Come on Sally, by now everyone here knows that all you passed was the online, Lake Woebegon edition of a slanted Mensa test, and are really dumber than dirt! You prove it every single day with your attempts to comment on every issue brought up here! Like Palin has Well Water!!! And it is good and clean, even though the articles posted by Esme show they have some of the worst water in the country! And then, when you have no more defense for your stupidity, you slink out. WHY do you continue to make yourself look so dumb? Do you not have an ounce of self respect?
MN Thomass! Hey, you are not on the TORO computer again, are you? tsk, tsk, I shall have to tell your boss! They did not like that one single bit!
Morning Greg, I have never seen anyone who uses tap water, no matter how good, for infant formula. The chemicals in it to clean it up are not something you want to pour into your baby. From the way they handle that baby anyways, I do not think they were well pleased at her arrival anyways.
You notice that Palin never did give up her medical records? hmmmmm, I do not like putting on my foil cap this early, but could there have been something like one of her girls had that baby, and they do not want anyone to know? Oh well, there are now 4 years in which to dig and grease some palms for the truth about Sarah Palin!
Wow, Republican Haley Barbour puts Palin in her place! How egotistical to think that a Losing Team for President/VP should be talking about taking this party to the future! She should keep her yap shut and try and learn something!
MIAMI – Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is sending signals that she is open to running for president in 2012, but another potential candidate is sending a different message: Republicans can't get ahead of themselves.
Palin, this year's Republican vice presidential nominee, is going to talk to Republican governors Thursday in a panel discussion called "Looking Towards the Future: The GOP in Transition." She's already making it clear that she wants to be a big part of that transition.
Anybody here tonight that has thought about the 2012 presidential election needs to keep their eye on the ball," Barbour, a former Republican Party chairman, told a reception for the governors and their supporters. "We don't need to talk about 2012."
Instead, he said the future of the Republican Party is with its governors since the GOP has lost power in Congress and the White House. With 38 governors' seats up for election in the next two years, that's what the party has to focus on, he said.
"That's how you get your party back going. And if you think this is practice time for people running for president in 2012, they need to get back in line. The next two years are the years that matter," Barbour said.
Dem leads in Alaska
By the count on the site of the Anchorage Daily News, Democrat Mark Begich now leads Ted Stevens for Senate in Alaska, where they're counting the early votes.
The three seats still out -- the count in Alaska, the recount in Minnesota, and the runoff in Georgia -- will help determine the scope of the new president's power, and Obama has dozens of staffers still on the ground in the latter two states, monitoring the count in one and helping out in the other.
Come on Dems. Lets get these other 3 seats!!!
How Sweet that would be! So Missy Palin would NOT get to take the Senate seat in AK, and MN would be represented by an honest, good Senator, Al Franken, and that Chambliss in GA would be replaced by a good solid Democrat!
It just would not get any better than that!
Good morning, all.
PamB on November 13, 2008 at 08:53 AM
Pam,
That woman is functionally illiterate.
Just listening to Palin in those CNN interviews yesterday must make the rest of the Republicans cringe. No wonder McCain kept her from doing media interviews....he should have interviewed her before putting her on the ticket.
For all the jokes about Biden liking to talk, she can't answer a question without making a summary statement of everything she ever did. She goes on and on and none of it makes any sense...or answers the question asked.
Larry King was obviously annoyed. Anderson Cooper said she was still talking as his show began last night.
Tina Fey has a lifetime career opportunity to fall back doing her impression of this nitwit. Fey can actually answer a question doing Palin.
qwerty on November 13, 2008 at 07:27 AM
When the dam bursts, the truth comes out in torrents. Thanks for sharing.
The Obama campaign sent out a fundraising appeal for covering the DNC's debt after the election. It would be a fantastic fundraiser if the DNC could issue a DVD of key Obama speeches and some other high points of the campaign season, plus some of those great independent videos (will.i.am's "Yes we can," MC Yogi's Obama video, that wonderful "Wazzup" sendup of the Bud commercial, etc.). Would it be impossible to do that? Is something like that already available?
Maybe we should do a commercial for Georgia featuring all of Bush's greatest hits? And include a barameter that shows the national debt going up...along with all of Chambliss' votes for those appropriations.
"Same as Bush? NO, worse than Bush!!! Chambliss voted for things like the Bridge to Nowhere that Bush didn't even ask for."
I'm assuming that fiscal responsibility is the big bone of contention (and anger) among conservatives in Georgia. Let's tie him to the big spenders.
bbl.
Rachel on November 13, 2008 at 10:07 AM
The U.S. Mint is already selling commemorative Obama coins? Maybe Hillary could sell the videos to pay off her debt.
I think Barack Hussein Obama is going to make an excellent President.
I think the period between the election and the inauguration will be a tough period for the American people.
But after that smart Americans will be as close to the starting line as possible and ready to run.
The next four years with Obama as president will be a marathon to get America back on track.
I believe that there are flaws in the ideology of free market competition.
The theory is that the market determines what is best for the common good.
That theory falls apart when a single or group of companies that hold essentially a monopoly on a particular industry invest in profit making strategies that aren't in line with the common good.
The Auto industry bailout is part of the bush legacy and because of that I neither support of dissent against this bailout.
But an auto industry meltdown in Detroit with the big three will definity reverberate across the country in negative ways.
I do believe however, that the Democratic Congress needs to do what it can to help the incoming Obama administration transition into power.
bush's 8 year disastrous legacy has resulting in nothing good.
There needs to be one last proactive effort with the Democratic Congress to ensure that bush doesn't screw things up anymore than he already has.
It seemed a bit mysterious why Governor Palin's health records were such a secret, and only released on the eve of the election.
She was adamantly determined to keep those personal health records from advanced public scrutiny, most unusual stance for a candidate for such high office. What on earth was the lady hiding so grimly?
Could it be that, since the date of her first delivery is known and also the date of her marriage, being a public record, is also known . . . that her health records would reveal this first birth was not premature, but full term, and that it strongly indicated the conception occurred before her marriage?
And that is exactly what the medical record showed, that the birth of her first child was full "term," which means 9 months, plus or minus 2 weeks. Yet the lady gave birth only 8 months after her elopement marriage. Such marriages are often rushed, for pregnancy reasons, and that seems to have been the case here.
This certainly would have been damaging in the election for one who professes such fundamentalist views and such personal virtue as the Alaska governor. She, after all, has been an ardent promoter of premarital chastity and abstinence, and an equally ardent opponent of sex education.
Seems to make her a total hypocrite, no?
http://palinshealthmystery.blogspot.com/2008/10/palins-health-mystery.html
Blue,
The republican party has been swimming in an ocean of hypocrisy. palin's lack of transparency doesn't say much for her character in post-election retrospect.
Could it be that, since the date of her first delivery is known and also the date of her marriage, being a public record, is also known . . . that her health records would reveal this first birth was not premature, but full term, and that it strongly indicated the conception occurred before her marriage?
BlueinIdaho
Since the elction is over, why continue this line of questioning?
KBCI News is reporting that students on a school bus in Rexburg chanted "Assassinate Obama." I think that says a lot about Rexburgans (Rexburgers?). Obviously these kids picked up that sentiment from their parents.
Rexburg, especially since Ricks College morphed into BYU Idaho, is predominantly LDS. I've read that it's the most LDS town in Idaho, which places it high in the running for most LDS worldwide. Odds are that most of the kids on the bus were LDS. The Mormon church came out BIG against gay marriage in California, another message of intolerance. I'm not blaming the Church for the behavior of the kids, but I think those kids are learning to be intolerant of differing views.
You'd think the LDS Church, no stranger to being an outcast, would preach a message of tolerance. Pretty clearly the kids in Rexburg aren't getting that message.
http://idablue.blogspot.com/2008/11/rexburg-family-values.html
This is a unique time in the blogosphere for the DNC.
Obama has won and the fight against the incompetence and corruptible republican party is an absolute success.
But the future is not without it's challenges.
It's nice to have a political power in charge that not only isn't as blatantly incompetent as the republican bush administration...
but actually is potentially the strongest administration America and the World has seen since FDR.
I believe that much false information was circulated about all the of the candidates in the weeks leading up to the elction. All strata of entities were pulled into this follishness and believed what later was proven false. Continued speculation and conjecture about these things are counter productive.
MSNBC retracts false Palin story; others dupedBy DAVID BAUDER – 12 hours ago
NEW YORK (AP) — MSNBC was the victim of a hoax when it reported that an adviser to John McCain had identified himself as the source of an embarrassing story about former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, the network said Wednesday.
David Shuster, an anchor for the cable news network, said on air Monday that Martin Eisenstadt, a McCain policy adviser, had come forth and identified himself as the source of a Fox News Channel story saying Palin had mistakenly believed Africa was a country instead of a continent.
Eisenstadt identifies himself on a blog as a senior fellow at the Harding Institute for Freedom and Democracy. Yet neither he nor the institute exist; each is part of a hoax dreamed up by a filmmaker named Eitan Gorlin and his partner, Dan Mirvish, the New York Times reported Wednesday.
The Eisenstadt claim had mistakenly been delivered to Shuster by a producer and was used in a political discussion Monday afternoon, MSNBC said.
"The story was not properly vetted and should not have made air," said Jeremy Gaines, network spokesman. "We recognized the error almost immediately and ran a correction on air within minutes."
Gaines told the Times that someone in the network's newsroom had presumed the information solid because it was passed along in an e-mail from a colleague.
The hoax was limited to the identity of the source in the story about Palin — not the Fox News story itself. While Palin has denied that she mistook Africa for a country, the veracity of that report was not put in question by the revelation that Eisenstadt is a phony.
Eisenstadt's "work" had been quoted and debunked before. The Huffington Post said it had cited Eisenstadt in July on a story regarding the Hilton family and McCain.
Among the other victims were political blogs for the Los Angeles Times and The New Republic, each of which referenced false material from Eisenstadt's blog.
And in July, Jonathan Stein of Mother Jones magazine blogged an item about Eisenstadt speaking on Iraqi television about a casino in Baghdad's "Green Zone."
Stein later realized he'd been had.
"Kudos to the inventor of this whole thing," Stein wrote. "My only consolation is that if I had as much time on my hands as he clearly does, I probably would have figured this out and saved myself a fair amount of embarrassment."
The fact that Obama is an African American in the long run may only prove to be fun trivial issue in the future.
The real issues are how fast can Obama get America back on track and how strong can he build this country back to the level of international respect America once enjoyed.
Just stopping by...
History Favors Republicans in 2010
The 2008 election numbers are not as stark as the results.
By KARL ROVE
...Then there were those who didn't show up. There were 4.1 million fewer Republicans voting this year than in 2004. Some missing Republicans had turned independent or Democratic for this election. But most simply stayed home.
Ironically for a campaign that featured probably the last Vietnam veteran to run for president, 2.7 million fewer veterans voted. There were also 4.1 million fewer voters who attend religious services more than once a week. Americans aren't suddenly going to church less; something was missing from the campaign to draw out the more religiously observant....
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122653996148523063.html
Like maybe divine intervention?
What Rove isn't factoring in his analysis is that Republicans are dying off in alarming numbers. Their base is literally grown so old that they are either suffering from dementia or dying outright. The rest feel betrayed.
The young want no part of the incompetence they have seen over the last eight years. Younger veterans have no respect for their current commander-in-chief. Younger church goers share values with progressives.
They want action on things like the genicide in Darfur, global warming, and helping the poor become productive. The American Dream has replace bigotry as the top political ideal in this nation. Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous are being replaced by the quest to save the Middle Class standard of living.
Rove doesn't want to admit he wasted the Reagan Revolution by picking the wrong people to run in 2000. He enabled morons. No numbers can explain that.
Older voters who didn't vote saw too many similarities with Hoover...or they had passed on to the just reward wondering what in the world had the Republican Party done.
bbl.
170LincolnParkLiberal on November 13, 2008 at 11:44 AM
I read that story and it seems to be a "hoax within a hoax" political tactic.
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What I mean is:
Palin is accused of mistakenly claiming that Africa is a country and not a continent.
Eisenstadt claims that he is the source.
Eisenstadt is accused of being a hoax.
And now there is doubt that the original Palin accusation is also a hoax.
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Bottom line:
palin is widely seen as ill-suited and ill-prepared to take over the position of Vice President of the United States of America.....
.....regardless of whether she knows about Africa.
Lincoln Park,
There are some typos with the above post but I am confident you get the gyst of what I'm saying.
Since the elction is over, why continue this line of questioning?LincolnParkLiberal on November 13, 2008 at 11:38 AM
Because she continues to try and makes herself a voice in national politics. therefore her record should be scrutinized. We need to know the full extent of her involvement with Moose and Squirrel, also.
167LincolnParkLiberal on November 13, 2008 at 11:38 AM
I think that the line of questioning is called for.
Even though the issue is trivial at best, there should always be a re-evaluation after the fact.
The election was intense and a lot of things were said and done in the heat of the moment.
Now that the election is over, we can't just stop what we're doing and not try and understand what just transpired.
I myself found it baffling that palin would withhold her medical records. Maybe it was to stay in line with McCain withholding his medical records. Or it could have been for other reasons.
palin is widely seen as ill-suited and ill-prepared to take over the position of Vice President of the United States of America.....
YayObama
And the election is widely seen as having been concluded on the evening of Novemeber 4th. That a continued rehashing of her medical history, her child bearing hitory, wardrobe, etc is unncecessary.
As you so clearly stated, I am confident you get the gyst of what I'm saying.
in today's wall street urinal kkkarl rove splains how 2010 will be a great year for the pelicans....i had no idea the pelican leaders and punditry were all taking the same on line "learn to be a comedian while wearing your pajamas" course. this shit they are coming up with is brilliant....i mean sarah slicing hot dogs length wise and stuffing them with cheese wiz!!!god i love politics these days....
172SandyH on November 13, 2008 at 11:49 AM
The republicans have used semantics to fool many American voters over the past eight years.
I kept a keen eye on what the republicans said after the 06 midterms and now that the 08 presidential election is over it's the same old same old.
The republicans will spin anything in either an anti-liberal/Democratic way or a pro-Republican way.
The facts are the facts and if the republicans want to rebuild their party from near extinction they have to be able to carry a political conversation by separating fact from political positioning and posturing.
That is the advantage that the Democratic Party now enjoys.
Facts are facts.
The Democratic Party has a no-tolerance policy for incompetence.
The republican party welcomes loyal cheerleaders no matter how ridiculous they turn out to be in the end.
177LincolnParkLiberal on November 13, 2008 at 12:03 PM
I agree with Greg.
Although I hesitated to say it, palin is considering a run in 2012 because it's a subject that doesn't individually interest me.
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The point is.
I definitely believe that there are many important issues to discuss on this blog.
But I, myself, certainly do not characterize BlueInIdaho's post regarding palin's medical records as "unnecessary".
palin is widely seen as ill-suited and ill-prepared to take over the position of Vice President of the United States of America.....
YayObama
And the election is widely seen as having been concluded on the evening of Novemeber 4th. That a continued rehashing of her medical history, her child bearing hitory, wardrobe, etc is unncecessary.
As you so clearly stated, I am confident you get the gyst of what I'm saying.
181LincolnParkLiberal on November 13, 2008 at 12:18 PM
see
180YayObama on November 13, 2008 at 12:17 PM
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p.s. You double posted. Try utilizing the "Preview" button when you are unsure if your post has been properly recorded.
p.s. You double posted. Try utilizing the "Preview" button when you are unsure if your post has been properly recorded.
YayObama
I noted that. The 1st time I hit post I got a message saying I had poted too many messages too closely (or something to that effect) so I went back, waited a minute and reposted it.
LincolnPark,
That happens to me a lot.
I believe it's because our thoughts move faster than our fingers.
Okay,
I procrastinated long enough.
I have to go.
Everyone have a pleasant day.
(oops almost I let the door hit me in the ass on the way out)
Afternoon all good Dems,
They just reported on the news that the Democratic Senator from Alaska has an 800 point lead on that criminal repuke stevens.
The other day I heard some repuke college student say "If Obama gives money to everyone to go to college then the colleges will raise tuition and I will suffer.
He is a typical selfish ahole repuke. It's all for "memememememememe and screw everyone else."
I read on the AP last night that The cities of Los Angeles and San Francisco are taking prop 8 to court to declare the proposition unconstitutional. It probably has a good chance of going to the California Supreme Court which would most likely shoot it down. The California Supreme Court is the court that gave marriage rights to gays.
Since the mormon church from Utah interfered in the California election backing prop 8 with money and sending extremist activists to California, they should be billed for all costs of putting prop 8 on the ballot and should pay for all court costs related to it's overturning.
I think that is fair. The mormon church should mind their own damn bushness and stay out of politics. We should revoke their tax exemption immediately.
Johne on November 13, 2008 at 01:44 PM
Here's the thing about that tax exempt status: it does not prevent an organization from supporting an issue or not supporting an issue. It only prevents an org from supporting a Political candidate.
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