Morning Open Thread
Check out the 60 Minutes interview with the Obamas from Sunday night and then chat away...
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Lieberman to stay with his committee chairmanships!
Good news for Pammy!
The Senators standing behind him sure had sour looks on their faces.
This better not be correct. One of the reasons that I voted for President Obama was so that these criminals would be prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law. I will be very disappointed if those monsters get to walk away scott free!
Washington - Barack Obama's incoming administration is unlikely to bring criminal charges against government officials who authorized or engaged in harsh interrogations of suspected terrorists during the George W. Bush presidency. Obama, who has criticized the use of torture, is being urged by some constitutional scholars and human rights groups to investigate possible war crimes by the Bush administration
Investigate! Indict! Send them to Leavenworth. Close the country club prisons! Put these scumbags in the general population! If they get themselves shanked, it's no loss!
Think about what they've done to our kids, to the Iraqis, to the economy!
Payback needs to be a bitch!!!!
Impeach Bush NOW!!! No pardons for these sociopaths!!!!
Put them out of our misery!
Good afternoon, all.
Here's a reprint from last thread. Matt saw me coming and beat me to the punch...again.
Good morning, all.
TomN on November 18, 2008 at 11:05 AM
TomN,
The Democrats need to stop this irresponsible gambling of commodities. Speculation is what caused the Great Depression and the current mess.
We need a War on Speculation just like the War on Terrorism. They are one and the same thing as far as I'm concerned.
Oh, and that remark about canned spinach was from your hero, Stevie. that was HIS entire donation to the poor! Feel foolish now???
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PB on November 18, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Yes dummy, that was , the joke.....duh....
So, you think sending tax money to DC helps the POOR?
The POOR on Wall Street?
The Poor insurance companies?
The poor auto companies?
The poor labor, not the workers, the ones who ride in the limos, unions?
Poor Senator Dodd? Congressman Frank?
You are an Idiot.
A dollar a week at a church does a lot more.
But, you are a tight wade and never donate, like MOST liberals. Just lie and say you do.
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CactusBarrack on November 18, 2008 at 11:27 AM
Or else now they are homeless veterans
PB on November 18, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Are those the same ones you have called murderers and rapist? Oh and lazy, that could not find a REAL job!
Touching that you are worried about them now.
You old dried up fraud.
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CactusBarrack on November 18, 2008 at 11:42 AM
Sally-* on November 18, 2008 at 12:03 PM
I wouldn't be so gleeful. We saw this coming.
That tea party in Chicago with McCain/Graham looked more like a meeting of the Dons or Arab shieks to me. There was some serious horse trading going on.
Besides, if Lieberman doesn't vote the way he's expected, Obama has some connections with street gangs that could come in handy. Don't underestimate Chicago politicians.
We are going to get our middle class tax reductions, a universal health care plan, and major investments in alternative fuels. Obama said we would be off fossil fuels and no longer dependent to foreigners for energy by 2019 and he meant it. That's a gamble I'd be willing to put some money behind.
Don't mess with people who know how to get things done. This man has an army; and as he moves along, he will be picking up new recruits Left and Right. The world hasn't seen anything like this since Julius Caesar.
Obama is a tactician first and inspirational speaker second. He's going to surround himself with enforcers like Emmanuel, auditors like McCaskill, and administrators like Hillary Clinton. It's a lethal combination...the reverse of the incompetence of the last 15 years.
Get ready to see even your dismal world get a little more exciting and brighter.
bbl.
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SandyH on November 18, 2008 at 01:04 PM
Amen!
No more nice guys. The Republicans have continually abused the system, and thumbed their noses at agreements that they've made. This last "bailout" deal needs to be the last straw. It's only proved that the Republicans will say anything and mean none of it.
It's time to draw the line on all the political posturing and start doing something.
Kicking Lieberman out of the caucus and taking away his committee chairmanships needs to be the first step for two reasons; a. There will be no credibility unless they do. b. He's not going to vote with the Democrats anyway, so why keep him around? It would send a valuable message to K-street, and to the rest of the Republi-lites that they need to shape up or ship out!
The Reppublican party is in enough disarray that they are unlikely to vote as a block for a long time. I don't think they could get enough votes to support a filibuster even if they had LIEberman.
cactass the housing problem started when the republican controled congress
This is interesting:
Administration Moves to Protect Key Appointees
Political Positions Shifted To Career Civil Service Jobs
» Links to this article
By Juliet Eilperin and Carol D. Leonnig
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, November 18, 2008; Page A01
Just weeks before leaving office, the Interior Department's top lawyer has shifted half a dozen key deputies -- including two former political appointees who have been involved in controversial environmental decisions -- into senior civil service posts.
The transfer of political appointees into permanent federal positions, called "burrowing" by career officials, creates security for those employees, and at least initially will deprive the incoming Obama administration of the chance to install its preferred appointees in some key jobs.
Similar efforts are taking place at other agencies. Two political hires at the Labor Department have already secured career posts there, and one at the Department of Housing and Urban Development is trying to make the switch.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/17/AR2008111703537.html?hpid=topnews
Lieberman to stay with his committee chairmanships!
Good news for Pammy!
Why? if he supported Mr.McCain, fine, but when he got on stage and talked $%it about the dems and Mr. Obama, no! Kick him to the curb IMO.
-- Comments --
Subject: JUDAS joe lieberman
I know you have no say in Senatorial decisions but perhaps you can relay
the feelings of a loyal member of the Democratic Party who has worked hard
for and contributed financially to the party's success to those who do
have a sayso ,I am enclosing a copy of my email to SEN. REID'S office but
I am hoping for more voices to back my objections.
"Judas joe lieberman " ----I worked for the party and voted DEM. in both
bush presedential elections and contributed money to the Dem. Natl Comm.
Both of these elections could have been easily won if the party did not
cosistently shoot itself in the foot. Gore chose the only man in American
politics who had less personality than he did to be his V.P. candidate .
I canvassed for the Dem. party in this election and provided
transportation to the polls on election day. NOW after an overwhelming
denial of JUDAS joe liebermans choices by the electorate IS HE TO BE
REWARDED ???
Not only did he endorse Mc Cain once but he was there at every campaign
stop grinning like a Cheshire cat in the background.JUDAS ISCARIOT or
BRUTUS could not have betrayed more in todays climate. He will not
provide a 60 vote majority, what useful purpose can he serve the
party.Democrats can win that # in the next election. Especially if he is
on the side of the REP. party.
IF HE REMAINS I WILL CHANGE MY REGISTRATION TO IND.AND NEVER AGAIN
CONTRIBUTE ANOTHER PENNY OR OUNCE OF EFFORT to the party for fear it will
go to further liebermans agenda.He could not even win his party's
nomination in his own state what possible value can he serve other than to
represent a slap in the face to all those who worked untiringly for the
party.Then once again the DEM. party can shoot itself in the foot by
proudly announcing to all those who voted that we are putting a clone of
BENEDICT ARNOLD in charge of Homeland Security.
-- Comments --
Subject: JUDAS joe lieberman
I know you have no say in Senatorial decisions but perhaps you can relay
the feelings of a loyal member of the Democratic Party who has worked hard
for and contributed financially to the party's success to those who do
have a sayso ,I am enclosing a copy of my email to SEN. REID'S office but
I am hoping for more voices to back my objections.
"Judas joe lieberman " ----I worked for the party and voted DEM. in both
bush presedential elections and contributed money to the Dem. Natl Comm.
Both of these elections could have been easily won if the party did not
cosistently shoot itself in the foot. Gore chose the only man in American
politics who had less personality than he did to be his V.P. candidate .
I canvassed for the Dem. party in this election and provided
transportation to the polls on election day. NOW after an overwhelming
denial of JUDAS joe liebermans choices by the electorate IS HE TO BE
REWARDED ???
Not only did he endorse Mc Cain once but he was there at every campaign
stop grinning like a Cheshire cat in the background.JUDAS ISCARIOT or
BRUTUS could not have betrayed more in todays climate. He will not
provide a 60 vote majority, what useful purpose can he serve the
party.Democrats can win that # in the next election. Especially if he is
on the side of the REP. party.
IF HE REMAINS I WILL CHANGE MY REGISTRATION TO IND.AND NEVER AGAIN
CONTRIBUTE ANOTHER PENNY OR OUNCE OF EFFORT to the party for fear it will
go to further liebermans agenda.He could not even win his party's
nomination in his own state what possible value can he serve other than to
represent a slap in the face to all those who worked untiringly for the
party.Then once again the DEM. party can shoot itself in the foot by
proudly announcing to all those who voted that we are putting a clone of
BENEDICT ARNOLD in charge of Homeland Security.
marymac_memphis on November 18, 2008 at 01:50 PM
Yeah, the Clinton administration did it too. this needs to stop. Political appointees going for civil services jobs need to get in line just like everyone else. If a new civil service jobs is created, then it needs to be opened up to anyone who has the proper credentials.
There was alot of good questions asked in this first 60min. interview however I was dissapointed that Mr. Obama was not asked anything about the fact that he has not been able to prove that he has not been able to show a United States birth certificate.If he is unable to show the papers that show he was born in the U.S. he is breaking Article 2,Section1 of the United States constitution witch states that you must be born here to become president.If he ran knowing he was not born here,to me, that is fraud.In that case I would have to say that I'm suprised and disapointed in the Demecratic party that I had believed and belonged to.
Christians Venture Into the Suburbs of Hell
Christian missionaries have long faced horrible fates by attempting to bring light to the darkest parts of the world, risking being set upon and even eaten by savages. This brave spirit continues, with some Christians so bold as to venture into the unholy abyss known as San Francisco. Here's the reception they received:
If allegedly oppressed homosexuals were ever treated like this, it might be enough to knock the Moonbat Messiah off the cover of some magazines.
An eyewitness reports:
We began to sing "Amazing Grace", and basically sang that song the whole night. (At some points we also sang "Nothing but the Blood of Jesus" and "Oh the Blood of Jesus".) At first, they just shouted at us, using crude, rude, and foul language and calling us names like "haters" and "bigots". Since it was a long night, I can't even begin to remember all of the things that were shouted and/or chanted at us. Then, they started throwing hot coffee, soda and alcohol on us and spitting (and maybe even peeing) on us. Then, a group of guys surrounded us with whistles, and blasted them inches away from our ears continually. Then, they started getting violent and started shoving us. At one point a man tried to steal one of our Bibles. Chrisdene noticed, so she walked up to him and said "Hey, that's not yours, can you please give it back?". He responded by hitting her on the head with the Bible, shoving her to the ground, and kicking her. I called the cops, and when they got there, they pulled her out of the circle and asked her if she wanted to press charges. She said "No, tell him I forgive him."
… Roger got death threats. As the leader of our group, people looked him in the eyes and said "I am going to kill you.", and they were serious. A cop heard one of them, and confronted him. (This part is kinda graphic, so you should skip the paragraph if you don't want to be offended.) It wasn't long before the violence turned to perversion. They were touching and grabbing me, and trying to shove things in my butt, and even trying to take off my pants - basically trying to molest me. I used one hand to hold my pants up, while I used the other arm to hold one of the girls. The guys huddled around all the girls, and protected them.
Some corners of the world appear to be beyond the reach of civilization — like the one that produced our Speaker of the House.
why do you worry cactusdumbass you get plenty of the Sun get some solar panuals and get get of the grid and dont worry about other people
Why Lieberman bothers me.
Lieberman on contraception for rape victims, not digging into the past on Iraq, and loyalty.
I notice Dean has changed his mind since 2006. Not sure I like that...but guess he has to do so.
Moonbat Messiah who name macain or is bush but sally pray to both before he go to bed
whaT HEART you so full of hate CACTUSBARRAC the only thing you care about is hateing people i care about people i love
i like obama but cactass is full who hate everybody who don't agree with him which is never
So, you think sending tax money to DC helps the POOR?
NO, Danny old man, NOT WHEN REPUBLICANS ARE IN OFFICE. ONLY WHEN DEMOCRATS ARE.
You missed so much political works over the last years, must have been when you were so busy dishing out all that soup! hahahaha
16Jerrilyn on November 18, 2008 at 02:18 PM
I see Danny Cactus ass is playing games with other names today! YES, Danny, the State of Hawaii produced the Birth Certificate about a month ago-----remember I posted the article from my morning paper???? Now get rid of your sour grapes with a good laxative, and go get a life. How many times do you need your Lying Crapola erased, before you get the hint???? You are a Loser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
16Jerrilyn on November 18, 2008 at 02:18 PM
Do you realize how absolutely ignorant you appear by posting that nonsense? In this day and age, with so much information literally at your fingertips, you choose instead to be led around by the nose by verifiable idiots. Why not take the time to look up his birth cert? In the time it took you to demonstrate your ignorance, you could have educated yourself.
duhhhhh, what part of 92 Fillibusters that the Repugs pullled-----and the Dems could not get anything passed did you miss????????
I am sure you were so busy helping out the poor----you missed it all! Idiot!
Any give aways to Corporations have been done by Bush, and his boot lickers over the last 8 years. Don't kid yourself old man! you look more foolish !!!!
REMEMBER WHEN POPPY BUSH AND THE REPUGS DENIED AND DENIED THAT ANY OF THESE GUYS GOT SICK FROM THEIR INVASION?????
Panel: Gulf War Illness Confirmed
Anthony Averella, a Gulf War veteran, struggles with Lou Gehrig's disease as well as inadequate medical benefits. (Photo: Chiaki Kawajiri / The Baltimore Sun)
A federal health panel released conclusions Monday that evidence strongly and consistently indicates hundreds of thousands of US troops in the first Gulf War contracted long-term illnesses from use of pills, given by their own military to protect them from effects of chemical weaponized nerve agents, and from their military's pesticide use during deployment
http://www.truthout.org/111808A
Five days before Paulson struck his deal with the banks, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown negotiated a similar bailout — only he extracted meaningful guarantees for taxpayers: voting rights at the banks, seats on their boards, 12 percent in annual dividend payments to the government, a suspension of dividend payments to shareholders, restrictions on executive bonuses, and a legal requirement that the banks lend money to homeowners and small businesses.
In sharp contrast, this is what U.S. taxpayers received: no controlling interest, no voting rights, no seats on the bank boards and just five percent in dividend payouts to the government, while shareholders continue to collect billions in dividends every quarter. What's more, golden parachutes and bonuses already promised by the banks will still be paid out to executives — all before taxpayers are paid back.
No wonder it took just one hour for Paulson to convince all nine CEOs to accept his offer — less than seven minutes per bank. Not even the firms' own lawyers could have drafted a sweeter deal.
http://www.naomiklein.org/articles/2008/10/bailout-profiteers
Pam: I have seen on two different web sites (both usually good) that Sen. H. Clinton has been offered and has accepted the position of Secretary of State. Have you seen this as well? I haven't seen many details, if that is the case.
Afternoon Blue.
marymac_memphis on November 18, 2008 at 04:25 PM
Afternoon. I would have preferred Kerry as SOS, but Clinton will be ok.
Blue: Bush and his entire administration need to be booted immediately. Paulson, especially. It's the last chance that they will have to line the pockets of the rich with all of our taxpayer dollars and leave President Obama with nothing with which to begin the rebuilding of the country. They are looting our natural resources as well. They realize that, with people sharing information over the internet and not depending upon corporately owned media that they can control - the Republicans are just about history and this could be their last chance for quite some time to 'raid' our taxpayer funds.
Do Republican's ever learn from their economic mistakes? Worse still, will we - as a country - ever learn from our mistakes of 'buying and drinking the Republican kool-aid?" Voting Republican = Voting economic disaster - every single time!
The Right Choice at Treasury
Comment
By Christopher Hayes
November 17, 2008
With all the talk of a new "Great Depression," Herbert Hoover has enjoyed an ignominious revival. On the day when Lehman Brothers winked out of existence and the simmering financial crisis boiled over, John McCain infamously pronounced that the "fundamentals of the economy are strong," a phrase that uncomfortably echoed Hoover's 1929 pronouncement that "the fundamental business of the country...is on a sound and prosperous basis."
Hoover's inaction in the face of the mounting crisis has made him an enduring symbol of economic mismanagement, but as bad he was, his neglect was nowhere near that of his secretary of the treasury, Andrew Mellon. Faced with a financial crisis even greater in scale than our current troubles, the multi-billionaire robber baron said, more or less, "Bring it on": "Liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate!" Mellon railed, "It will purge the rottenness out of the system. High costs of living and high living will come down. People will work harder, live a more moral life. Values will be adjusted, and enterprising people will pick up the wrecks from less competent people"
In welcoming the widespread immiseration of the populace, Mellon was simply giving voice to his (very) narrow class interest: depression brought with it a sharp deflation that would increase the wealth of the holders of great stores of capital like himself, and provide ample opportunities to purchase assets at steeply discounted prices. Though he was putatively the treasury secretary of the entire country, his views reflected the narrow interests of his fellow Wall Street tycoons.
Blue: Check out this article written by Naomi Klein. Also, the Sen. Bob Corker that is mentioned below is the same one who ran the infamous "Call Me" ads against H. Ford, Jr. here in Tennessee. Further, he has been accused (not yet proven) of massive corruption involving - among other things - illegal alien workforce - in his construction business.
The Bailout: Bush's Final Pillage
Lookout
By Naomi Klein
This article appeared in the November 17, 2008 edition of The Nation.
October 29, 2008
In the final days of the election, many Republicans seem to have given up the fight for power. But that doesn't mean they are relaxing. If you want to see real Republican elbow grease, check out the energy going into chucking great chunks of the $700 billion bailout out the door. At a recent Senate Banking Committee hearing, Republican Senator Bob Corker was fixated on this task, and with a clear deadline in mind: inauguration. "How much of it do you think may be actually spent by January 20 or so?" Corker asked Neel Kashkari, the 35-year-old former banker in charge of the bailout.
When European colonialists realized that they had no choice but to hand over power to the indigenous citizens, they would often turn their attention to stripping the local treasury of its gold and grabbing valuable livestock. If they were really nasty, like the Portuguese in Mozambique in the mid-1970s, they poured concrete down the elevator shafts.
The Bush gang prefers bureaucratic instruments: "distressed asset" auctions and the "equity purchase program." But make no mistake: the goal is the same as it was for the defeated Portuguese--a final frantic looting of the public wealth before they hand over the keys to the safe.
How else to make sense of the bizarre decisions that have governed the allocation of the bailout money? When the Bush administration announced it would be injecting $250 billion into America's banks in exchange for equity, the plan was widely referred to as "partial nationalization"--a radical measure required to get the banks lending again. In fact, there has been no nationalization, partial or otherwise. Taxpayers have gained no meaningful control, which is why the banks can spend their windfall as they wish (on bonuses, mergers, savings...) and the government is reduced to pleading that they use a portion of it for loans.
What, then, is the real purpose of the bailout? I fear it is something much more ambitious than a one-off gift to big business--that this bailout has been designed to keep pillaging the Treasury for years to come. Remember, the main concern among big market players, particularly banks, is not the lack of credit but their battered share prices. Investors have lost confidence in the banks' honesty, and with good reason. This is where Treasury's equity pays off big time.
Read the whole article:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081117/klein/print
Good evening fellow Democrats.
CactusBarrack on November 18, 2008 at 04:34 PM
How can this be the Democrat's fault when the GOP controlled the White House since 2001 and the Congress from 1995 until 2007? This old line of "Blame the Clintons" is tired, at best. This entire financial mess rests with the Republican Party and their unregulated "free market" mentality.
Laissez-Faire is dead. Get over it. Greenspan admitted he was wrong in front of Congress when he testified that he didn't account for greed. For some strange reason, Republicans don't want ot believe that greed exists yet almost every piece of legislation they passed in the 21st century feeds into greed.
You can blame us for everything from 20JAN10 on. It's going to take at least a year to find all the skeletons in W's closet and devise plans to fix the messes. But until then, point the finger where it belongs, straight in the faces of President George W. Bush and the Republican Party.
Sally-* on November 18, 2008 at 03:30 PM
Sally, do you have a source on this?
Afternoon Bob! I hope that you and your family are well today!
marymac_memphis on November 18, 2008 at 05:34 PM
Hello, Mary. All appears to be well here in central VA today. In fact, we had a couple of snow showers. Real postcard looking scenes observed.
Notice: Does it seem like to anyone else that all the Republicans ever talk about is 'fuel efficiency' and not alternative energy sources, especially when it comes to automobiles?
From The Economist:
19:03 GMT +00:00
McConnell to Detroit: drop dead
Posted by:
Economist.com l WASHINGTON
Categories:
Economy
Are leaders in Congress balking at a bailout for Detroit carmakers? Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader in the Senate, is trying his best to stop it.
Top Senate Republicans said Tuesday that an Energy Department loan program approved last year – not this year’s $700 billion financial industry bailout program — should be the source of aid for struggling domestic automakers... McConnell said he supports a proposal being pushed by the White House to authorize immediate use of a $25 billion Energy Department loan program enacted last year (PL 110-140) to help automakers shift to more fuel-efficient production.
Notice: Does it seem like to anyone else that all the Republicans ever talk about is 'fuel efficiency' and not alternative energy sources, especially when it comes to automobiles?
Sally, do you have a source on this?
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BobVADemocratHawk on November 18, 2008 at 05:33 PM
Yes, it came from the extremely cute Michell Malkin.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/11/17/anti-prop-8-mob-watch-san-franciscos-castro-district/
The Saudi Royal Family condemned Somali pirates as terrorists today after losing $100 million worth of oil in an audacious heist that saw bandits seize a supertanker in the Arabian Sea.The Sirius Star, which was carrying two million barrels of oil, a quarter of the Kingdom's daily output, was captured with its multi-national crew, including two Britons, 450 miles off the coast of Kenya on Sunday.
The hijack was the biggest ever act of piracy in the perilous shipping lanes off the east coast of Africa. Vela International, the ship’s owners, said today that the crew were safe and that their response team was awaiting further contact with the gang.
The furious Saudi foreign minister said the banditry was akin to terrorism and demanded an international crackdown on the pirates.
Prince Saud Al-Faisal said: “Piracy, like terrorism, is a disease which is against everybody, and everybody must address it together.
“This outrageous act by the pirates, I think, will only reinforce the resolve of the countries of the Red Sea and internationally to fight piracy.”...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article5180546.ece
Somali pirates, indeed. Here's a novel concept Prince Saud, buy some security for these ships. I'm sure Blackwater or some other mercenary group would love to help, if your money is right. But why would you need help defending against Somali pirates? Is your navy that incompetent?
But don't try to hang your problem on us. We can protect our ships. Protect your own ships or suffer the consequences.
Hillary might reject State offer
Presidential Transition
Reuters – …
Hillary Rodham Clinton isn’t certain she would accept the Secretary of State post even if Barack Obama offers it to her, several people close to the former first lady say.
Press reports that portray Clinton as willing to accept the job – once the Obama transition team vets Bill Clinton’s philanthropic and business ventures – are inaccurate, one Clinton insider told Politico.
“A lot of the speculation and reporting is out ahead of the facts here,” said the person, who requested anonymity. “She is still weighing this, independent of President Clinton's work.”
Clinton, the person said, remains deeply “torn” between the possibility of serving in Obama’s cabinet and remaining in the Senate to “help pass health care and work on a broad range of domestic issues.”
That comment jibes with what others close to Clinton have been saying since the Secretary of State chatter began last week: that Clinton is conflicted and the deal far from done, despite screaming headlines in outlets including the U.K.’s Guardian newspaper claiming the offer was made and accepted.
Anger Over Prop. 8 Erupts In San FranciscoSAN FRANCISCO -- In San Francisco's Castro District, people on both sides of the same-sex marriage controversy confronted each other on Friday night, as police tried to keep the peace. Proposition 8 passed in a close vote and eliminated the right of same-sex couples to marry.
Members of the gay community said that almost every Friday night, a Christian group meets at the corner of Castro and 18th Streets. They try to convert gays and lesbians into a straight lifestyle.
This Friday night, the message didn't go over well. Some gays and lesbians reacted by trying to chase the group out of the Castro.
"Their rights were respected," said Joe Schmitz, an opponent of Prop 8. "They got a chance to go ahead and pray on the sidewalk and I had the opportunity to express my freedom of speech which is telling them to get out of my neighborhood."
San Francisco Police officers in riot gear formed a line and escorted the religious group into a van to safely get them out of the area.
Members of the gay community insisted that their reaction to the Christian group was spontaneous. "It was not an organized thing. We're tired of it. It's not religious. It's not a racial thing. It's about hate. We're trying to send a message across the world that we're standing up and we don't want this to go on anymore," said Adam Quintero...
http://www.ktvu.com/news/17986914/detail.html
Well, it is rare that I get to say this but, Sally and Michelle Malkin were correct. Apparently, members of the GLBT community roughed up a church group practicing their First Amendment rights in San Francisco.
This is uncalled for. The GLBT Community had better change its tactics before what support they do have erodes further. They have certainly lost my respect with these blatantly thuggish tactics. The GLBT community doesn't deserve civil rights for this action; they deserve jail time.
Good evening, all.
CactusBarrack on November 18, 2008 at 01:33 PM
I'll give you credit for trying, but the public no longer believes any of these slight-of-hand maneuvers by you frauds. The Heritage Foundation's project "Fool them and Confuse Them" failed. McCain told that old lady that Obama is not an Arab and she even believed him.
Go ahead and try to state a Lie as the Truth like you have during the Rove reign of terror. Who is going to believe you unless they have short-term memory loss? The fruit of the Contract with America is getting more rotten by the day, so it’s only going to become more obvious were the stench is coming from.
This is another Republican Depression. The deeper and longer it lasts, the more we will hold up the Republicans as the villains and boogie men they are. Parents will be raising the next generation with bedtime stories of how these deceitful and perverted Republicans oppressed their own people.
You're performing to an empty theater. You can't scapegoat the people who freed the slaves.
You're screwed.
BobVADemocratHawk on November 18, 2008 at 06:29 PM
Bob: I wouldn't judge too harshly until you have 'walked a mile' in their shoes, so to speak.
Imagine that, just a few days ago, your marriage and basically your choices in life had just been invalidated and you were told that you have no legal 'choice' in your mate/family. Then a group of people come to your home and preach hate against you and your family. You might just be tempted to 'run them out' and make the odd threat or two, yourself. Nothing in the report provides specifics of people being injured and it does not describe the actual 'threats,' and I certainly do not trust any account provided by M. Malkin. Before becoming 'judge and jury' and sentencing them to jail time, let's find out both sides of the issue. I strongly suspect that there is more here than meets the eye.
CactusBarrack on November 18, 2008 at 02:57 PM
It obviously frightens you that there is someone on our side who is finally in full control of his strategy, organization, and his tactical abilities. He's no Reagan. Reagan was old and senile...easily manipulated by others.
This man is nobody's fool and will not suffer that trait in others.
That Obama is also smart, highly educated, clever, and has a natural ability to lead and inspire people must strike terror to the very core of your being.
This is exactly what Julius Caesar did. I told you idiots that we had the right agenda in the 2004 election. All we needed was for people to come out of their 9/11 stupor...and a gifted orator.
We ended up getting a lot more than that.
Let Newt run against him in 2012. We will bury him on the side of the road with the rest of the corpses from this corrupt Republican era.
You have nothing to fear. Americans will be proud of themselves again when this man leaves office. Life will get better even for you.
marymac_memphis on November 18, 2008 at 06:50 PM
So that's justification for jumping a church group exercising their First Amendment rights? I wouldn't have posted what I did had I thought it came with the usual right wing slant from the likes of Michele Malkin and Sally, our resident troll.
But I watched the video and I read the article not from Ms. Malkin but from KTVU. What the GLBT community can't seem to get through their head is that any civil right can be put up to vote, not just theirs. If we had the votes to repeal the First Amendment, the Fourth Amendment, the Fourteenth Amendement, you pick one, it could be done. And that is exactly what happened in CA. The CA Supreme Court ruled that gay marriage was legal and the voters of CA amended the CA constitution to invalidate the CA Supreme Court's ruling. That is Civics 101. That is checks and balances. That is America. We are a nation of law, not men. And the GLBT community had better wake up and realize that because the course they are on now will result in a lot more hardship for their side, their people, than it will anyone else.
Sally-* on November 18, 2008 at 03:30 PM
Where is your source and link?
CactusBarrack on November 18, 2008 at 03:42 PM
I am the walrus.
BlueinIdaho on November 18, 2008 at 04:23 PM
That's the difference between corrupt Republicans and Liberal Torries.
SandyH on November 18, 2008 at 07:08 PM
Sandy, see my 1829EST post.
The source is: http://www.ktvu.com/news/17986914/detail.html
IMHO, it is a valid source and the GLBT Community of San Francisco that took part in this should be ashamed of themselves for their thuggish behavior.
Good night fellow Democrats. Keep the Faith and keep the faith. Yes we can and yes we did!
Where is your source and link?
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SandyH on November 18, 2008 at 07:08 PM
Asked and answered.
the Republicans are just about history and this could be their last chance for quite some time to 'raid' our taxpayer funds.
marymac_memphis on November 18, 2008 at 04:33 PM
mary,
It's pretty obvious that the bailouts were crafted to repay the speculators who had helped the rich get richer. The Republicans took a crisis (which their policies, mismanagement, and incompetence caused) and used it to take their final slice out of the pie...before moving on to Paraguay or under a rock in Texas.
marymac_memphis on November 18, 2008 at 04:40 PM
mary,
It never fails to amaze me how arrogant and greedy these Republicans are at heart. They have absolutely no scruples or any empathy for their fellow man. They live for their avarice and conceit.
marymac_memphis on November 18, 2008 at 04:47 PM
mary,
It makes you wonder if they didn't have this planned from the very beginning. Was this another product of the Heritage Foundation think tank? It certainly meshes well with the PNAC Iraqi war profiteering scam.
This is encouraging:
ANCHORAGE, Alaska – Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens dropped further behind Democrat Mark Begich in his re-election bid Tuesday as the convicted felon's 85th birthday became a grueling wait that could determine whether his decades-long hold on power is over.
The longest-serving Republican in the history of the Senate trailed the Anchorage mayor by 2,374 votes out of 290,198 counted as election officials continued tallying absentee and other ballots. Begich had led by about 1,000 votes before Tuesday's count.
Bob: Apologies, Apologies!!!!! I did not realize that you watched the video! Okay - your word I will take - it's just those others that I doubt! Sorry about that! I just read the short written accounts and did not know there was a video and certainly didn't realize that you had seen it.
I stand by the fact that my temper would be a little shorter than normal if someone had told me that my personal life was toast but you are correct - they should never have resorted to violence - regardless of being provoked.
Sorry again!
Sandy: are you still here? I left you a post yesterday. I wondered if you saw that A. Pujols (the best player in MLB) won the NL MVP award again?
Sandy: Do you know anything about this guy?
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. President-elect Barack Obama has conditionally offered Eric Holder the job as attorney general, and the former top Clinton administration official has accepted, a senior Democrat said on Tuesday.
BobVADemocratHawk on November 18, 2008 at 07:16 PM
Bob,
If this fundie group had gone into a Catholic neighborhood and tried to covert people on the street to become "real" Christians, I assume they would have gotten the same reaction.
While I don't condone violence, I can understand the frustration of the GLBT community especially after the close vote on Proposition 8.
No Republic can endure in peace among its constiuents, when it passes laws to deny rights to some citizens and flaunts the privilege for others...and then has the victors go into that community to rubs salt into the wound.
No two wrongs make a right.
I hope the courts throw out this proposition. It is not in line with our Constitutional law nor in the spirit of the Declaration of Independence.
I apologize for the length but this is just too good not to put up
Bill Ayers and the Demons to Come
Tuesday 18 November 2008
by: Steve Weissman, t r u t h o u t | Perspective
Leave it to Rush Limbaugh. We have just elected as our president an African-American, who would not have been able to vote in large parts of our country less than 50 years ago, and we have proved to ourselves and to the world that we remain a land of enormous opportunity. Yet, the country's best-known radio talk-show host wasted no time using our airwaves to attack the president-elect for preaching "racism" and "socialism," and for creating our current economic collapse by scaring off potential investors who fear higher taxes. "The Obama recession is in full swing, ladies and gentlemen," Limbaugh proclaimed only two days after the election. "Stocks are dying, which is a precursor of things to come. This is an Obama recession. Might turn into a depression."
Limbaugh went on to call Obama "a Chicago thug," and suggested that the incoming president would take advice, or even direction, from the 1960s radical Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground and the "terrorist" bogeyman that John McCain and Sarah Palin accused Obama of "palling around" with. "Bill Ayers is a silent adviser," warned Limbaugh. "Don't think he's not."
Many Democrats will dismiss Limbaugh as a voice of the past, who is simply trying to boost his audience ratings. But that's just the point. For all his noxious rhetoric, the motor mouth from Missouri knows precisely the kind of red meat his listeners crave, and he's happy to serve it up - just as right-wing broadcasters did against John F. Kennedy and the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., with results we know too well. Pray for an era of Kumbaya, if you will. My bet is that Limbaugh is only an opening wedge for the anti-Obama war still to come. To paraphrase an earlier column, welcome to the counterrevolution.
As for my friend from the 1960s, Bill Ayers has been anything but "a silent adviser." Many of you read his fascinating essay here at Truthout or saw his appearance on "Good Morning America," where he talked up a new edition of his political memoir, "Fugitive Days," and tried to set the record straight on just how minimal a relationship he had with our new president. "I knew Barack Obama, absolutely," said Ayers. "And I knew him probably as well as thousands of other Chicagoans, and like millions and millions of other people worldwide, I wish I knew him better right now."
Ayers explained that he had hosted one of maybe 20 meet-the-candidate gatherings when Obama first ran for the Illinois state Senate in 1996, but he did so at the request of a sitting senator and had not met Obama before. Bill characterized their subsequent association as "professional," having served together on a foundation board and school reform group. And why not? Bill is, after all, a distinguished professor of education at the Chicago campus of the University of Illinois and was named the city's "Citizen of the Year" in 1996 for his efforts to improve Chicago schools.
But wasn't Ayers being evasive, asked "Good Morning America's" host Chris Cuomo, echoing John McCain. "You have to come clean," Cuomo insisted. "You have to say ... either Barack Obama sought me out or I sought him out to discuss my ideas, my radical ideas."
"It's not at all true that he sought me out to listen to my radical ideas, or that I sought him out," Ayers replied. "The truth is, we came together in Chicago in a civic community around issues of school improvement, around issues of fighting for the rights of poor neighborhoods to have jobs and housing and so on.... So this idea that we need to know more, like there's some dark hidden secret, some secret link, is just a myth, and it's a myth thrown up by people that wanted to exploit the politics of fear."
Bill told a simple truth, that he and Obama had never palled around and never discussed anything very radical at all. But truth alone will never derail the fear-mongering that the right wing in America has always used to divide people. Read any good history of the labor movement, the inter-racial alliance of poor black and white farmers in the South in the 1880s, the Red Scare following World War I, the campaign for universal health care in the 1940s or the movements for civil rights and against the war in Vietnam in the 1960s. In all of these, the difference between success and failure for reform movements was often how well they learned to combat the race-baiting, red-baiting or other smear tactics used against them, often from within their own ranks.
Nor are right-wing bigots the only ones who have stooped to demonize their opponents. Long before John McCain tried to smear Obama with Bill Ayers, no less than Hillary Clinton cast the first stone, helped mightily in one of the primary debates by ABC's George Stephanopoulos and Charley Gibson. Happily, the voters saw the smear tactics for what they were. But, as Rush Limbaugh and the stone-throwing Sarah Palin remind us, we are a long way from putting such divisive nonsense behind us.
If this fundie group had gone into a Catholic neighborhood and tried to covert people on the street to become "real" Christians, I assume they would have gotten the same reaction.
SandyH on November 18, 2008 at 07:51 PM
Do you really think the Catholics are as shitty a people as the fags of San Francisco?
marymac_memphis on November 18, 2008 at 07:38 PM
mary,
I left you a post right after you signed off. Everyone here is thrilled for Albert.
marymac_memphis on November 18, 2008 at 07:41 PM
I never heard of him. Chris Matthews said he was a lawyer with the Clinton administration. The only negative seems to be that he advocated pardoning Mark Rich.
Sally-* on November 18, 2008 at 07:54 PM
I was raised Catholic. What do you think?
BobVADemocratHawk on November 18, 2008 at 07:02 PM
Bob,
I agree with your legal take on this. The Courts should throw this out.
However, I don't believe that there has been a law passed since segregation that has attempted to infringe on the rights of one group only.
It's disturbing that civil rights are being challenged for only the smallest of minorities. It speaks to a bully mentality and it's not what millions of immigrants came to this country to face. Liberty and justice for all?
Our country is better than Proposition 8.
marymac_memphis on November 18, 2008 at 07:36 PM
You have no reason to apologize, Mary. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. We agree that we should take everything from Ms. Malkin and Sally with a grain of salt.
SandyH on November 18, 2008 at 07:51 PM
We agree in principle. And if the GLBT community sticks to the courts, peaceful marches akin to MLK, Jr., and the ballot box then they shall enjoy my full support along with a significant portion of the moderates from both sides of the aisle. If they keep using these heavy-handed tactics however, well, you said it best, two wrongs do not make a right.
Sally-* on November 18, 2008 at 07:54 PM
It's rhetoric like this that cost y'all the last two elections for which we Democrats are certainly grateful. Heckuva job, Sally, heckuva job.
Once again, good night all and God bless.
marymac_memphis on November 18, 2008 at 05:56 PM
mary,
And have you noticed how the Republicans fought tooth and nail NOT to increase the miles per gallon car manufacturers had to meet in the last 40 years since the OPEC oil embargo?
Republicans = oil cartel
Evening all good Dems,
It has been a beautiful day, sunny and 72 degrees.
hannity is still on his tear about Obama. He continues to endlessly rag on the Ayers thing. Then he outright lies and pulls a lie out of his ass like "some group has Obama's birth certificate from Kenya. WTF. hannity is a lying f**k.
On the news today I heard that people in L.A. who were burned out are being treated like royalty with companies setting up tents and giving people checks for their loss. There was one comment that caught my attention.
AIG is just telling people to save their receipts.
These are the same bastards that were given billions in taxpayer bailout and spend it on executive perks. Then the bastard neotards have the audacity to refuse to bail out the carmakers saying that they got into this predicament themselves and it is all the unions fault. These repukes are also disgusting POS's. The money going to the carmakers is a LOAN and they are too stupid or too arrogant to care because by refusing the loan they are playing raygun and trying to destroy the unions. They don't give flying f**k that 3,500,000 people will be out of work if the carmakers go under. These bastards need to be hoisted by the collar and thrown against a wall. Maybe that would knock some human decency into their lame brains.
I think we should take away the right to reproduce spawn. This new Constitutional amendment should apply to mormons and fundies.
Let's just see how they would like to lose their rights.
Shove it you fascist pigs.
If the carmakers go under, millions of retirees will lose their pensions and health care. I wonder if the neotards would be willing to give them health care and a continuing pension?
NOT! They are too damn cheap and greedy.
The loss of 3,500,000 jobs will cause an instant Great Republican Depression much worse than the Great Republican Depression of 1929.
The loss of 3,500,000 jobs will bump the unemployment rate to about 20% which would officially swing the working class into the Great Republican Depression of 2009. hannity is even blaming Obama calling it the Obaman depression and Obama isn't even president yet.
BRING BACK THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE AND ENFORCE IT WITH BROADCAST LICENSE CANCELLATION.
BRING BACK THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE AND ENFORCE IT WITH BROADCAST LICENSE CANCELLATION.
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Johne on November 18, 2008 at 08:58 PM
Ecellent idea! Piss off about 60 million regular listeners. None of em vote anyhow.
DoPeyDoodle hasn't been back since Chassie called him a prick and a turd.
I wonder if he had the big one.
Next step, war crimes tribunal time. It will be a great day for a war crimes trial for two failed world leaders.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
A senior British law lord, former Lord Chief Justice Lord Bingham, stated yesterday in a speech at the British Institute of International and Comparative Law in London that the decision to go to war in Iraq in 2003 was “a serious violation of international law”.
Just asking.
Is it legal to urinate in their food?
Is it legal to force someone to consume what he would not normally eat due to his religion or culture?
Is it legal to rape female detainees?
Is waterboarding legal?
Is it legal to wire up a prisoner’s testicles?
Is it legal to deny a prisoner access to sanitary installations?
Is it legal to force prisoners to strip naked and lie in pyramids on the floor? Is it legal to kick them on the ground?
Is it legal to shoot wounded prisoners of war?
Is it legal to deny access to medical treatment?
Is it legal to strafe civilian areas with artillery fire?
Is it legal to target hospitals and hotels?
Is it legal to destroy a country’s water supply with weaponry?
Is it legal to destroy the gas and electricity supply lines?
Is it legal to dole out contracts to cronies without tender?
Is it legal to massacre hundreds of thousands of people or create the conditions for this to take place?
Is it legal to enter and damage property in a sovereign nation after an unlawful invasion?
CactusBarrack on November 18, 2008 at 08:28 PM
So now you are an expert in genetics?
Were you aware that some reptiles and amphibians can change their sex to reproduce? That a majority of birds are bi-sexual? Maybe God has reasons for gays that He hasn't revealed to the Republican Party?
I'd be real careful about questioning the Creator's handiwork.
CactusBarrack on November 18, 2008 at 08:37 PM
You'll really have to tell someone about the child abuse you experienced as a child. I hope you know it wasn't your fault.
The first step in accepting your humanity is to admit there is something wrong somewhere in your life and get help to rid your soul of it. Your attitude towards other adults is totally unacceptable at this stage in your life and you're actions are anti-social.
You need to take stock of where this obsession is taking you. If you don't re-connect with other people in a positive way, you will die before you ever experience any joy in this life or faith in others. This is not what God intended when you were hatched.
I won't bring this up again. Think about it.
trolls keep babbling, democrat margin keeps getting bigger.
poor sarah is gonna have to wear all that clothing she and the family stole from the rnc to moose carving parties....she ain't gonna be able to move to washington dc and fill stevens seat....he done lost....anyhow he did great things for our peace and prosperity and was always a warm and civil guy so here is a little dedication to him...
HOUSTON (Reuters) - A grand jury in South Texas indicted U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney and former attorney General Alberto Gonzales on Tuesday for "organized criminal activity" related to alleged abuse of inmates in private prisons.
Blue Dog Democrats Wield Newfound Clout
Tuesday, November 18, 2008 6:54 PM
By: John Mercurio Article Font Size
The left may still be crowing about its resounding Election Day victory, but it’s the fiscally conservative Blue Dog Democrats who are emerging as a significant force in the upcoming Congress.
The influential Blue Dog coalition of House Democrats saw their ranks increase on Election Day, and they’re likely to gain even greater power on Capitol Hill with an ally in the White House.
Just a few days after his victory, President-elect Barack Obama tapped his chief economic adviser, Jason Furman, to consult regularly with the Blue Dog leadership on economic issues.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, meanwhile, acknowledged the new power of centrists when she said, a few days after her party gained at least 20 House seats, that “the country must be governed from the middle.”
Blue Dogs, for their part, say they’ll hold Obama’s feet to the fire.
“President-elect Obama has consistently talked about restoring fiscal responsibility to government," noted Rep. Mike Ross, an Arkansas Democrat and co-chairman of the Blue Dog Democrats, who will number 51 or 52 seats in the 111th Congress (depending on one unresolved race in Louisiana).
That’s up from 49 this year and equals roughly one-fifth of the Democratic House membership. Four of the 10 candidates the Blue Dogs endorsed this year won. While southern Democrats still dominate the group, Blue Dogs expanded their reach in Blue States this year, winning a new seat in Maryland and holding seven seats in California and three in New York.
we are all roberts now. why we even have a chief justice roberts and roberts rules of disorder.
sally hit the wall so hard on 11/4 dan's head is still up his ass.
good night and sweet dreams all you roberts.
sally when your all alone you talk your self we are all robert to you are you mad you need help
we are all roberts now.
gregg on November 19, 2008 at 12:29 AM
So what has changed, most of the poster"s" here have been Robert for quite some time now.
I have been looking for evidence of evolution on the internets. The "evidence" I have found is pretty lame. Even lamer than I would have expected.
Well, I am not the only one that noticed that Mrts Obama has a huge ass:
First lady got back
I'm a black woman who never thought I'd see a powerful, beautiful female with a body like mine in the White House. Then I saw Michelle Obama -- and her booty!
By Erin Aubry Kaplan
Nov. 18, 2008 |
Free at last. I never thought that I -- a black girl who came of age in the utterly anticlimactic aftermath of the civil rights movement -- would say the phrase with any real sincerity in my lifetime. But ever since Nov. 4, I've been shouting it from every rooftop. I'm not excited for the most obvious reason. Yes, Obama's win was an extraordinary breakthrough and a huge relief, but I don't subscribe to the notion that his capturing the White House represents the end of American racial history. Far from it. There is a certain freedom in the moment -- as in, we are all now free from wondering when or if we'll ever get a black president. Congratulations to all of us for being around to settle the question.
But what really thrills me, what really feels liberating in a very personal way, is the official new prominence of Michelle Obama. Barack's better half not only has stature but is statuesque. She has coruscating intelligence, beauty, style and -- drumroll, please -- a butt. (Yes, you read that right: I'm going to talk about the first lady's butt.)
What a bonus! From the ocean of nastiness and confusion that defined this campaign from the beginning, Michelle rose up like Venus on the waves, keeping her coif above water and cruising the coattails of history to present us with a brand-new beauty norm before we knew it was even happening.
Actually, it took me and a lot of other similarly configured black women by surprise. So anxious and indignant were we about Michelle getting attacked for saying anything about America that conservatives could turn into mud, we hardly looked south of her neck. I noted her business suits and the fact she hardly ever wore pants (unlike Hillary). As I gradually relaxed, as Michelle strode onto more stages and people started focusing on her clothes and presence instead of her patriotism, it dawned on me -- good God, she has a butt! "Obama’s baby (mama) got back," wrote one feminist blogger. "OMG, her butt is humongous!" went a typical comment on one African-American online forum, and while it isn't humongous, per se, it is a solid, round, black, class-A boo-tay. Try as Michelle might to cover it with those Mamie Eisenhower skirts and sheath dresses meant to reassure mainstream voters, the butt would not be denied.
As America fretted about Obama's exoticism and he sought to calm the waters with speeches about unity and common experience, Michelle's body was sending a different message: To hell with biracialism! Compromise, bipartisanship? Don't think so. Here was one clear signifier of blackness that couldn't be tamed, muted or otherwise made invisible. It emerged right before our eyes, in the midst of our growing uncertainty about everything, and we were too bogged down in the daily campaign madness to notice. The one clear predictor of success that the pundits, despite all their fancy maps, charts and holograms, missed completely? Michelle's butt.
Lord knows, it's time the butt got some respect. Ever since slavery, it's been both vilified and fetishized as the most singular of all black female features, more unsettling than dark skin and full lips, the thing that marked black women as uncouth and not quite ready for civilization (of course, it also made them mighty attractive to white men, which further stoked fears of miscegenation that lay at the heart of legal and social segregation). In modern times, the butt has demarcated class and stature among black society itself. Emphasizing it or not separates dignified black women from ho's, party girls from professionals, hip-hop from serious. (Black women are not the only ones with protruding behinds, by the way, but they're certainly considered its source. How many gluteally endowed nonblack women have been derided for having a black ass? Well, Hillary, for one.)
But Michelle is bringing those two falsely divided minds together in a single presentation -- finally, unity for the real world! Talk about a power base. Thanks to Michelle, looking professional and provocative in a distinctly black way will become not only acceptable but also part of a whole presidential look that's more, well, inclusive. Now we'll all be able to wear leggings to board meetings; we'll sport pencil skirts sans the long jackets meant to cover the offending rear at big conferences where we have to make a good impression. It turns out that Sir Mix-A-Lot, he of "Baby Got Back" fame, was not a novelty but a prophet. Who knew? Give that guy a Cabinet post.
Many comparisons have already been made between Michelle and Jackie Kennedy. While I appreciate the spirit, I beg to differ. To put it bluntly, Jackie had no back. Same can be said for gaunt Cindy McCain and the short-lived Republican sexpot Sarah Palin. Jackie was trim and perfect, an inoffensive figure who bucked the curviness of the '50s and put American femininity on the treacherous path of smaller-is-better. Jackie was also a blue blood and a society woman -- an elite! -- so although she set new beauty and fashion paradigms, she also followed old ones.
Michelle radiates something entirely different. She's black high society but by definition that's not silver-spoon; it's the result of navigating the rough shoals of racism that bet against your success every day. It's hard work. Michelle looks great but also physically strong -- she looks ready to leap into action if she's called to it. She looks like she could kick Barack's ass, if need be. She has a physicality that's unprecedented in a first lady. Eleanor Roosevelt wasn't afraid to get her hands dirty, but she broke from family tradition; Michelle represents black striving that is the tradition. Her very presence, butt and all, is a rebuke to all those presidents who've dragged their feet on equality and justice even though they paid it lip service, from Woodrow Wilson to Bill Clinton. Even more clearly than her husband's, Michelle's prominence is saying to the old guard, step aside. Fist bump? Nah. Booty bump is more like it.
Ordinary black women have waited a long time for this. Oh, we've suffered. In a country simultaneously obsessed with consumer excess and weight control, we've been caught in the middle. Throw race into the mix, and we've been downright strangled. The expectations run something like this: It's OK for black women to be heavier than most, but we still have to conform to a universal (that is, white) standard of thinness and shape. This means that, even if you're 120 pounds, your butt better not account for more than 2 percent of that.
Women's magazines talk endlessly about whittling down thighs and waistlines, even jawlines, but butts are still so racially loaded -- so to speak -- they're not even part of the conversation (the closest it gets is "hips," but even white women know that's not equivalent). In other words, butts have never been mainstreamed. And like so many other black characteristics, it endures a double standard. A white woman with an ass can claim to have an exotic appendage that boosts her stock; a black woman with a booty is merely ordinary -- worse than that, she's potentially uncultured, unqualified, ghetto in the most unfabulous sense of the word.
I winced when I heard about "The Daily Show" spot in which two people in Florida disapprovingly described Michelle as a "horse" with a big "tuchis" -- I give them the tuchis, but the animal reference was jarring. Of course, Michelle's been described very unkindly all year; one blogger called her King Kong's sister. The primal antipathy to all things black has stood right alongside the euphoria of the Obamas' rise, and it's unnerving, to say the least. Michelle, for her part, gritted her teeth -- she actually does that -- and continued smiling and waving. That's politics, but it's also what aspiring blacks have always done in the face of insult and resistance: Bear it. Walk through it.
I can't talk about Michelle's butt without acknowledging her hair, another physical feature that stirs anxiety about black female difference. Let me just say that I hope that gets unleashed, too. How sad that, in order for a black family to prevail -- because Michelle and the girls were all running for office, not just Barack -- they had to sublimate their blackness like crazy, starting with the visuals. Michelle's ethnic butt might have snuck under the radar, but an ethnic do wouldn't have stood a chance.
But now the game is over. The jig is up. Time for us all to let the hair down and let the booty hang out, to put our hands in the air like we just don't care. Will the black aesthetic take over the White House, as many whites openly fear? As that Republican sexpot might say, you betcha. Of course the reality is that black aesthetic is a huge part of American aesthetic and American culture, from fashion to music, language to a physical sensibility that can only be described as bodacious. It's time that we admit all this and give it its place. Michelle started the official coming out with that blazing black-and-red Narciso Rodriguez dress she wore on Election Night, complete with dangly silver hoops that gladdened the hearts of sisters everywhere. She was hiding nothing, and this time she wasn't gritting her teeth about it. She was smiling.
And it was bootiful.
What is it with these Democrat Presidents (elect and Clinton) lately liking women with huge asses? (hillary/Monica/Michelle)
What happened to "Guys don't make passes at gals with huge asses."
Eyeblast.tv Asks Ayers About Sirhan Sirhan Book Dedication...Where Was The MSM?
William Ayers spoke to a Washington, D.C. audience tonight about his views on the American education system. The Ayers speech included slams towards Fox News and Governor Sarah Palin.
The event was full of mostly supporters given the amount of loud applause he received. A true question and answer session never really occurred, as audience members were required to write their questions on note cards for pre-screening. Knowing organizers would only choose softball questions, I confronted Ayers with Radio Equalizer's Brian Maloney.
I asked Ayers about the dedication to Robert Kennedy’s assassin Sirhan Sirhan in his 1974 book Prairie Fire. The video is uploaded at Eyeblast.tv:
PICKET: Professor Ayers you had an unusual dedication to Sirhan Sirhan in your previous book. Do you regret that?
AYERS: Absolutely, but that wasn’t a dedication…show me. You heard it somewhere. The dedication in Prairie Fire in 1974…It was a manifesto was to all prisoners, and if I were writing a book like that today, I would dedicate it to 2.1 million people in prison. I think it was a stupid thing to single him out, but I also think that we have created a monster in the prison system. We ought to abolish the prison system. That’s what I believe.
It is unfortunate the mainstream media refused to ask Ayers any questions about the Weather Underground’s 1974 manifesto, but that would make scrubbing his past even more difficult.
Here are some highlights of Zogby's poll of Obama voters:
* 57 percent thought the Republicans still control Congress. Note that this is worse than a random result, since there are only two possible answers.
* Only 12 percent could identify Obama as the candidate who said that his energy policies would cause the cost of electricity to skyrocket.
The only issues on which the Obama voters were well-informed (or thought they were, anyway) had to do with Sarah Palin. Thus:
* 94 percent knew that Palin was the candidate with a pregnant teenage daughter, the highest correct score recorded by the Obama voters.
* Likewise, 86 percent knew that Palin was the candidate whose party bought her a $150,000 wardrobe.
Those answers suggest that the mainstream media's emphasis in this election was not exactly on the nuances of public policy. To be fair, though, they probably also reflect where the interests of Democratic voters tend to lie. This one is interesting:
* 87 percent said that Sarah Palin was the candidate who said she could see Russia from her house. Actually, it was Tina Fey who said that. Once again, though, it shows that Palin seemed to be the candidate who made the biggest impression, for better or worse.
It's worth noting that the Obama voters in Zogby's sample were 97 percent high school graduates and--rather shockingly--55 percent college graduates. It's almost enough to make you wonder about the future of democracy.
democrat margin keeps getting bigger.
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gregg on November 18, 2008 at 11:13 PM
And the more responsibility they will have from the upcoming failures. Especially if Obama governs as a Carter like weenie.
sally is unhappy with democracy. it would be much happier with jack booted, white hooded cretins marching in the streets.
while it is true that the democrats now have responsibility to perform ( duh why else run for office??) it is also true that if they can move us out of the severe bush recession and the war of choice in iraq and begin to address some of the national and international problems that bush has created the republicans will be wandering the snows of alaska for many years to come following an imbecile with lipstick as her ass drops further and further with age...i'll take the deal.
oh sally by the way just when will joe loserman switch to the republican party? he seemed to be sucking up to reid and obama pretty hard yesterday...
kos has this quote from a thomas frank piece in the wall street urinal. i like it:
" It is possible, I suppose, that the pundits are right and the public didn't really mean it when it elected a liberal Democrat president and gave Democrats even larger majorities in both houses of Congress. Maybe America really wants the same nice, reassuring, centrist thing as always.
But it is also possible that, for once, the public weighed the big issues and gave a clear verdict on the great economic questions of the last few decades. It is likely that we really do want universal health care and some measure of wealth-spreading, and even would like to see it become easier to organize a union in the workplace, however misguided such ideas may seem to the nation's institutions of higher carping."
the reality is people are a lot more afraid of not being able to get insulin for their diabetic mother or blood pressure medication for themselves or a pension to retire on when they are old then they are of words like "socialism" and "spreading the wealth"....
By Dominick L. Auci
"Only a few short weeks ago, American Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson made the whole World a promise. If only American taxpayers would ante up $700 billion, the US Treasury would buy up enough troubled mortgages to stem the soaring tide of home foreclosures and put the brakes on a rapidly accelerating financial melt down. Despite protests and out right catcalls from millions of average Americans (who are actually much smarter than they look), Congress took the bait and put them and generations of their children on the hook for nearly a trillion dollars."
More.....................
"I remember back in October, laughing grimly when former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, a long time advocate of the so-called “Invisible Hand Theory” of Capitalism testified before Congress. He admitted “errors” and that he was in “a state of shocked disbelief” about the breakdown in the ability of banks to regulate themselves. Now, as 2008, the Bush Administration and its peculiar brand of regressive Capitalism fail, I’m remembering Greenspan’s words and perceiving that the Invisible Hand is trying to give the whole wide World a final, invisible finger."
Dominick L. Auci, Ph.D.
Escondido , California
What is it with these Democrat Presidents (elect and Clinton) lately liking women with huge asses? (hillary/Monica/Michelle)
What happened to "Guys don't make passes at gals with huge asses."
121Sally-* on November 19, 2008 at 04:46 AM
I've stated for over 5 years now, broad shoulders and a big ass is the way to go.
hahaha
Bush is giving the invisible finger to the working man in America. He will refuse to sign the LOAN to the big three carmakers and throw the country into the Great Republican Depression of 2009. This is his parting shot.
Hitler too hated the German people at the end of WWII and ordered his generals to destroy every living thing that supported human life. It served the German people right for not supporting him in his war against the world.
108YayObama on November 18, 2008 at 11:45 PM
she beast likes men who wear silk panties. I thought she would go for the comando type.
Morning Essie,
Does a big stomach count?
Morning gregg and peaceman,
Is sally in a straight jacket yet? It must drive him nuts to be a loser troll.
Next step, war crimes tribunal time. It will be a great day for a war crimes trial for two failed "world leaders and their cronies.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
A senior British law lord, former Lord Chief Justice Lord Bingham, stated yesterday in a speech at the British Institute of International and Comparative Law in London that the decision to go to war in Iraq in 2003 was “a serious violation of international law”."
More..........
If you're still around. I am Pro-Chavez, also.
Posted by PamB on October 17, 2005 at 03:58 PM
hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaahaha..
97CactusBarrack on November 18, 2008 at 09:11
I don't know what the foolish old man thinks is so funny?
first of all he takes my posts and posts them out of context, BUT secondly, THIS IS A MAN WHO VOTED FOR BUSH/CHENEY AND THE TERRORIST REGIME OF REPUBLICANS FOR 2 TERMS! There is not a country in the world that does not agree that George Bush and Dick Cheney are the worst Terrorists in the World. Countries that do respect Chavez. Did you ever see George Bush try and give discounted heating oil to poor cities and states? Not on your life. His own investments are too tied up in the Oil Industry!
Bush/Cheney started an illegal invasion, killing millions of Iraqis, 4200 US boys, and crippling another 30,000 ! All based on Lies. Have you ever gone to the PNAC website, and studied up on what Charter Member Dick Cheney has done with his life? Dedicated to taking over the Middle East and any other countries with oil. Bill clinton told him to go pound sand, which is why he helped get the little Chimp, Bush, into office.
Sometimes, Danny, I just shake my head at how absolutely dumb you are, and that you are able to look yourself in the mirror! All that blood of those US boys on your hands!!! I don't want to hear you talk about how you love those troops or vets again!!! Hypocrite!
Could that be why bush is so condescending lately. He is probably scared shitless that he and his gang will be sent to the Hague for trial.
I love it.
good morning, roberts of the world. reads like we are going to hear about big butts and a president who hasn't served in that capacity for over 30 years (carter) from our resident trool during Obama's first term.
Democrats Gain as Stevens Loses Race
it just keeps getting better and better !!
And what is great about this----ole lady Palin will not be able to appoint herself in the Senator's role in order to get herself to DC!
Not that she would not have been laughed right off the floor everytime she opened her dull witted mouth, but it throws cold water on her ambitions!
johne, I hate to disappoint, but I doubt anything ever happens to w or cheney...other than writing books, giving speeches, plotting the end of middle and lower classes of people.
history will not be kind to them, and that is about it.
Does a big stomach count?
134Johne on November 19, 2008 at 08:38 AM
not on women. haha ;)
The first step in accepting your humanity is to admit there is something wrong somewhere in your life and get help to rid your soul of it. Your attitude towards other adults is totally unacceptable at this stage in your life and you're actions are anti-social.
You need to take stock of where this obsession is taking you. If you don't re-connect with other people in a positive way, you will die before you ever experience any joy in this life or faith in others. This is not what God intended when you were hatched.
03SandyH on November 18, 2008 at 11:06 PM
SandyH, I have said the same thing to this poor old man. His very appearance, 24/7 on this opposing view blog, says all that needs to be said about a mind that is consumed with all that negativity, hatred, anger, not just because we are Democrats, but because he is as sick as Steve is. We had Psychiatrists in the past look at Steve's postings, and they agreed this was a very sick man. Danny is the same. Somehow he stumbled in here, and has gotten worse over time. I would bet his wife has left him by now. No self respecting woman would be connected with someone this ill !
Does a big stomach count?
134Johne on November 19, 2008 at 08:38 AMnot on women. haha ;)
141Esmeralda on November 19, 2008 at 08:57 AM
Unless it's a pregnant belly. Pregnant women are BEAUTIFUL. :)
Blue Dogs, for their part, say they’ll hold Obama’s feet to the fire.
This one made me smile. Old Stevie trying his hardest to throw some mud, because he has run out of 'taunts" and predictions which are never true!
Blue Dogs have to say this --to pretend to their constituents in Red states that they will work for trying not to have the country be so liberal! But underneath, they will be only too happy to vote along with the rest of the Democrats as we now enter this new LARGE majority
which is all about CHANGE and HOPE! But you keep dreaming, Stevie. I hope you are not too too disappointed when the Global Warming Committee is set up to straighten out this mess the US helped get our planet into! Try and remain calm!!!!!! :)
sally hit the wall so hard on 11/4 dan's head is still up his ass.
114gregg on November 19, 2008 at 12:29 AM
I had to smile even broader when I realized not a one of them had the balls to come in here that night or even for a few days----other than to just lurk and watch our JOY! It must have been so hard to pull their heads back out of their rearends!!! :)
Thank you, Gregg/Robert. I have a hard time keeping all the Roberts straight!
Pam/Robert
What happened to "Guys don't make passes at gals with huge asses."
121Sally-* on November 19, 2008 at 04:46 AM
well, face it, good thing this does not hold true anymore. You said your daughter finally found a boyfriend at 18? I did not realize there was a blind school so near to her home! :)
I am wondering what Arnold Schwarznegger has up his sleeve. He is now saying the same things that Obama and the Democrats have been saying for years. He is talking about energy independence, repairing our infrastructure and much more.
Is he trying out for a spot in Obama's government? Either that or his Democratic wife had a good talk with him.
Now that the election is over, JohnE, you will find a Lot of Republicans changing their tunes. That Mandate, that landslide victory proved to them the knuckle dragging platform of the past of their party has ended ! Americans want to Progress, not regress!
Off to work. We are resurfacing four tennis courts this week. It's the mayor's pet project so it has to be done right.
bbl.
Unless it's a pregnant belly. Pregnant women are BEAUTIFUL. :)
143GregL on November 19, 2008 at 09:06 AM
shame on me! of course you are correct! (just a couple of weeks before lilyrobert is here)
hardship for their side, their people, than it will anyone else.BobVADemocratHawk on November 18, 2008 at 07:02 PM
Their people???? Nice choice of words.
they should never have resorted to violence - regardless of being provoked. Sorry again!marymac_memphis on November 18, 2008 at 07:36 PM
I'm still trying to figure out what "violence" anyone could possibly see from that video. The only physical contact I saw was between the police and the residents, when the POLICE were pushing people back. There were no injuries evident to any of the "Christians", they were all walking along just fine and dandy. The only account of actual physical violence was in the Malkin story, not in the KTVU story.
GregL on November 19, 2008 at 09:54 AM
Violent? You wanna see violence? Gee, when the so-called "prolife" nuts want to change people's minds they usually don't thump people on the head. No, they resort to bombing ob/gyn centers and assassinating physicians. And, that's when no constitutional right was taken from them!
I don't condone violence either, but a few people venting on those who use their religion to do harm, do not represent the core of the American people who are disgusted by the vote in CA.
BlueinIdaho on November 19, 2008 at 10:39 AM
To be fair, those who bomb clinics and murder doctors are a very small minority of the anti-choice movement.
And my point was that, except for the "eyewitness account" on Malkin's blog, there was no evidence of violence in the Castro. Hmm, make that, there was no EVIDENCE of violence in the Castro. Malkin is not any type of credible source.
GregL on November 19, 2008 at 10:43 AM
And, that was my point as well. These few who are displaying their anger at these Kristians are similar to the small group who kill physicians to further their political agenda. They don't represent the whole, so why focus on them?
Apparently because Bob feels some need to show us how big his Hawk balls are again.
Here we go, more bailouts, this time the auto industry.
Any problem that you throw money at is not a solution, its a bandaid.
The real problem is the "refuse to change" policies that the auto industry has taken for years. They have fought every improvement and every opportunity to become better for decades.
When the Japanese first kicked their butts in the 70's, the big three fought the higher gas mileage smaller foreign cars by getting baled out by our government, and making modest changes by building mid-size cars.
For years, the industry has been building gas guzzlers and spending mega-bucks in advertisements to try to convince the American public that this is what we need, verses the better made, higher gas mileage of foreign made vehicles.
Now they are asking once again for a bail out. Just throwing money at them is not the solution.
Fire all executives and have them walk away without a penny in bonuses. Use the money to retool for hybrids and fuel efficient vehicles even SUV's and Pickups.
But if this is just a one time deal for them to change for the better, then it will be all for not. They must put in a process to continue to improve over and over again and eliminate waste in their processes.
They need to continue to search for ways to make their vehicles better, faster (process), cheaper, at a higher quality. Because the rest of the world is, American businesses tend to hold on to what worked in the past.
gabraeal wrote:
The white is Biden , he is hiden . He may be as Johnson , after you be as John F.Kennedy . Be carefull look to those you appointed around you . they are all ...... don't forget yourself . you are an African-American. arn't you ? don't forget your daughters and your wife as you forgot your parents in Kenya.
11/29/2008 6:58:55 PM
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They are saying that the is in Dec.21 , 2012
watch and read . is't true ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11iCmzGnOI8
http://www.google.com/search?hl=ar&q=dec.21%2C2012&btnG=%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%AB+Google%E2%80%8F&lr=
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It's hopeless feuture for the US .BEY AMERICA .BEY BEY OBAMA. THE END IS NEAR.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/cartoonsandvideos/telnaes/telnaes_main.html?wpisrc=newsletter&wpisrc=newsletter
My comment in the Washington post in July 29, 2008
"In The 20th century The united States of America was the nation of all nations, the nation of freedom, the nation of the United nations , the nation of democracy , the nation of truth ,the nation of technology , the nation of support and help,the nation of immigration . the nation of refugees , the nation of the international currency ( the DOLLAR ) , the nation of peace and trusting in God.
But what happen in the beginning of the new century . a Bloody Bad boy called Bush ( Benaalle ) the lei er has been the president of the United States .He distroyed all good things of the nation and made them oposite and dirty . He made the US the nation of all war actions.
He is believing that his father took him to the White house not elected by Americans. for that he is working for his father not for the people of the United States nor for the nation of US .
He created enemies while they are his partners.
So if John McCain elected he will work for the Bloody Bad Bushiest than working for America.
Oh Where are You America ? Are you in the way of
THE END
as it's in movies "
gabraeal@gmail.com
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gabraeal wrote:
Dear Obama please listen to this boy's song " TELL ME WHY ".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzLZ32kZT5M
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Dear Obama are you a reclam or a leir as the BlindBareBush? WHERE iS THE CHANGE THAT YOU PROMISSED ? HOW SOON THAT YOU ARE MISSING YOUR SELF AND YOUR BELIVETY? Why are you keeping Mr. Gate in your cabinate ? I think you are .....
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it's a big mistake to see Republicans in the new cabinet of the Obama administration . it's enough the faults and the crimes that they have done against humanity . For that I am advising President-elected Barack Obama to not keep Robert Gates as defense Secretary. But if he do that he will bite his finger after near time . Sorry it's wrong and fool decision .Dear Mr. Obama think again twice and twice before you take this bad decision . is there no an other person in the Democratic party ? What do you mean ? are you crazy or mad ? This choice is looking like the choice of John McCain when he choose Sara Plain.Please don't burn your self.But if you want Mr. Colin Paul in your carbonate let him leave the Republican party to the Democratic .I think that the history is repeating it's self your end will be the same as the end of John F. Kennedy .bey bey Obama if you do that .
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it's a big mistake to see Republicans in the new cabinet of the Obama's administration . it's enough the faults and the crimes that they have done against humanity . For that I am advising President-elected Barack Obama to not keep Robert Gates as defense Secretary. But if he do that he will bite his finger after near time . Sorry it's wrong and fool decision .Dear obama think again twice before you take this bad decision . is there no an other person ? this choice is looking like the choice of John MacCain when he choose Sara Plain.Please don't burn your self. But if you want Mr. Colin Paul in your carbonate let him leave the Republican party to the Democratic .
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