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Only 74 days until the inauguration!
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Good morning / afternoon, all!
74 days and 45 minutes until PRESIDENT OBAMA!
One of the things I love about the internet is the ability to cross lines.
People that you might not have talked with because of percieved differences, don't seem so different when you are reading their typing. I think it helps remove our prejudices towards one another.
I think it will help move us forward.
DooBee, It has been interesting watching his choices for various positions. Will he pick ex-Clinton people, who faced the same exact problems (except for an illegal occupation)and brought this country out of the economic mess, the joblessness, etc, or will he be forced by Republican Obstructionist saying that that is not change, and have to pick lesser candidates?
Instead of being humbled, there are many Republican big mouths out there still trying to keep the divide going. Who want to paint the party as incompetent for their own political partisanship.
THIS is what I was hoping for from an Obama election....reasonableness:
Over the weekend, a good friend of mine berated me for my presidential choice, listing off several predictable (and easily debunked) conservative talking points about the evils of Barack Obama. He flat out said that he can not support someone who is in favor of full-term/partial-birth abortions & post-abortion infanticide. I would agree with him, except the belief that Obama is in favor of those things is speculative... if not plain silly. In another conversation this weekend, one of my best friend’s mother stated that it is sinful to vote for Obama. She continued to deny Oboma’s claim to Christianity because of his views on abortion. (something along the lines that he is a liar, and true Christian will recognize that)
Does Obama have a pro-choice stance? Yes. Does that mean he wants to kill a bunch of babies? No. To believe that he does is foolish. So, what is Obama’s stance on abortion? He wants pro-life and pro-choice advocates to work together to reduce the number of abortions. That sounds like a good plan… right? Doesn’t logic demand that a reduction in abortions performed in the US satisfy both camps? Pro-choicers maintain their goal of freedom for women to choose, and pro-lifers preserve the sanctity of life.
http://nicholasccasey.blogspot.com/2008/11/abortion-aka-why-this-pro-lifer-is.html
5Kathy_from_BLUE_Indiana on November 7, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Let limpbrain and hannibal say what they like.
When all is said and done, "who is their daddy?"
Hey Pam- Thanks for the apology. I didn't see it right away...
Hi backacha, Cate. They should put a modified "Bush Countown Clock" on the KA front page and call it the PRESIDENT OBAMA Countdown Clock.
PAm, I hope he picks Kerry for Sec of State.
marymac had a good idea of Alexander (Pug) as Education Sec'y, because it would be bi-partisan, and Alexander held that position before.
Another Pug to consider would be Tommy Thompson for Transportation. He was the former head of Amtrak and is a big proponent of bullet trains and intra-city rail.
Blue, like Bill Clinton did; make abortion safe, legal and rare. It's odd that abortions always go down under Dem administrations and they always go up when Pugs are stinking up the joint.
Good afternoon, all.
Why doesn't Obama appoint Biden as the Secretary of State?
He has the credentials. Unless there is another project that Obama has in mind for him, what better way to utilize Biden's talents and contacts?
A petition those of you who hate Joe Leiberman will want to sign.
Say no to Joe!
Cate on November 7, 2008 at 12:19 PM
I so agree.
I think that was why Franklin insisted that a public post office be part of the Constitution. He new it opened up lines of communication and would keep citizens exchanging ideas.
I also think travel is an important because it exposes one to other people and environments. It makes you think.
Sandy- You meant Kerry, right?
I'm pretty sure Biden will be busy enough as VP. :)
SandyH on November 7, 2008 at 01:10 PM
How can he be both VPOTUS and Secretary of State?
My daughter, in elementary school, had her poster of Obama on her desk. She told me, mama, I kept it out there cause I wanted to see what this kid that sits next to her would do. The kid that told her that barack was a muslim. She has been sitting between him and a evangelical who told her obama will close all of the churches.
She said when she turned around real quick, she caught him as he walked by her desk swiping her poster to the ground.
My poor little girl had put up with some bull and has stood her ground against the children of the wacko white southern baptists.
BlueinIdaho on November 7, 2008 at 12:30 PM
Blue,
That is the best argument I've heard in a long time about abortion.
I stated telling people this election that I was pro-life...and pro-choice. It's our responsibility as progressives to make this case to the nation.
I hope Obama's administration furthers a dialogue on the subject and follows up with forums and other forms of action. Let's make it a national objective/priority that no woman is ever faced with making that choice that no woman really wants to make.
BlueinIdaho on November 7, 2008 at 01:26 PM
Blue,
Why not? I don't think there is anything in the Constitution that says that he can't.
Sometimes you have to think outside the box to come up with a solution that is right there in front of you.
I remember Bob of VA talking about how Biden was the best choice for President. He always said that Biden's foreign policy credentials were the best of anyone in Washington. Why not put the best person in the job that is open.
Contrary to what Palin thinks, Biden is not going to be spending all his time over in Congress leading them in legislative matters. If he's not going to be heading up a specific project for Obama, why not utilize him where he might be the most effective?
Someone inform Bradley that Oprah is a free citizen AND the producer of her own show. Figures that the republicans would want to dictate what she does as well...
Well, Danny, I should have prefaced that remark with"although I will not allow the trolls to lie, spin, distort, spew hatred, I am very tolerant" I do not have a racist, homosexual bias bone in my body. I judge people by what they are, not their color or sexual preference. That is why I judge you so poorly. You are a small, cold, mean hearted man with no empathy, no compassion , no understanding of man kind. You are to be pitied. Disability or no disability.
Cate on November 7, 2008 at 01:18 PM
Cate,
No, I meant Biden. I'm not sure if Kerry has as intensive of a background in foreign affairs as Biden. Maybe he does, but I am more impressed with Biden.
Before Al Gore, most Vice Presidents didn't do anything more than attend state funerals and sit in on Cabinet meetings...if the president trusted them.
I'm not suggesting that Biden become another Dick Cheney. Lord forbid.
I'm thinking he could be President Obama's chief foreign policy adviser and a clear extension of the president's will. If we ever want to get a workable peace in the Middle East, what better way than to put someone close to the president in charge?
Who else but Vice President Biden (who may suddenly have to suddenly ascend the role of President someday) would have the greatest interest in solving the top foreign policy problem of our time...and which has been neglected for the last eight years?
I think it would send a significant signal to all the countries in the region that we are serious about finding a lasting solution....just as they have been telling us to do for eight years. And it would dishearten al Queda that such an emphasis was being put on stabilizing the region by the new President.
I'd like Kerry to be the new Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He's next in line and has worked for it. It would give him more responsibility and a chance to show us what he can do to move legislation.
30 minutes until Obama's press conference. He's with Biden and Volker right now working on economic issues.
Gee, and all Dubya got his name on was a sewage plant...
The prime minister of Antigua wants to rename the island's highest mountain Mount Obama in honour of the US president-elect.
The prime minister, Baldwin Spencer, announced the plans on Wednesday in a congratulatory letter to Barack Obama.
Antigua's attorney general, Justin Simon, said he would find out if parliament needed to approve the name change. The political analyst Avel Grant said it could draw more tourists to the island.
http://crooksandliars.com/logan-murphy/antigua-name-mountain-after-obama-pub
I'll never forgive Oprah for inviting Bush on her show during the 2000 campaign and legitimizing his candidacy. She should have slapped his face when he reached over and kissed her. (He probably thought she was Rice and would be flattered?)
Just imagine how many people in Iraq would have been spared the grief and indignities of Bush' incompetence and greed. You can't be too careful when it comes to breaking bread with morons.
I don't think she should never have gotten political on the show at all.
I'm still angry that she allowed Arnooold to use her show as a springboard for the recall in California. The man doesn't respect women and is an unrepentant masher.
bbl
Good afternoon fellow Democrats.
Sally-* on November 7, 2008 at 01:49 PM
Y'all Republicans should quit throwing the "lovely and talented" Gov. Palin under the bus. You know she can't stand up to a legitimate interview. Do you really want another Katie Couric incident where Gov. Palin proves yet again that she is just as dumb as the idiots in her state voted for a convicted felon?
SandyH on November 7, 2008 at 01:38 PM
Artcle I Section 6 would prevent VP-Elect Biden from serving as SECSTATE and VPOTUS though it was a good idea. I learned that watching the West Wing.
SandyH on November 7, 2008 at 02:13 PM
Someone better call the whammmbulance for Bradley, he's so hoppin mad at Oprah that it's likely he'll never watch her show again!
Sandy re your 2:13, ditto.
However, I felt Oprah did redeem herself somewhat with her support of Obama. I haven't watched her show since 2000.
Interesting take on the SoS position, but I am inclined to agree with Gregl. We have a lot of bridges to rebuild, I imagine the SoS will have his/her hands full. It would be great if we also utilized the VP for some of this repair.
Since we're deep into Cabinet speculation, here's a thought for you:
Colin Powell for Secretary of Defense
He would have a hard time turning down our new commander in chief, he would sail through confirmation, and he showed sane decision making abilities until he was forced to loose all credibility (in civilian circles) with his UN speech.
GregL on November 7, 2008 at 02:06 PM
GregL,
Who would replace Kerry as Senator? Is there a Democratic governor in Massachusetts now to name his successor?
LOL Blue, and I'm sure Oprah will miss Bradley about as much as she missed me. I loved that name change for him BTW...
g'afternoon, everyone. what an awesome victory! i'm filled with renewed pride in the potential of our people and the future of our country. i hope all of you have visited obama's transitional website, www.change.gov and shared your thoughts and ideas. what a breath of fresh air to have an administration be truely representative of the people and responsive to their wishes.
i hope, also, that everyone has taken note of the republicans apparent move towards pushing 'states rights' as a major platform issue. this is another example of their shift toward libertarianism and is a natural extension of their 'small government' and 'less taxes' thinking. we should counter this with a renewed emphasis on human rights, social and economic justice, and a restoration of our national democracy. the fascists will never stop trying to 'divide and conquer', any apperance to the contrary is false.
SandyH on November 7, 2008 at 02:13 PM
Fair is fair, Sandy. If we're going to advocate the return of the Fairness Doctrine, which we should, then it cuts both ways. We get 50% of the air time but so do the Republicans.
SandyH on November 7, 2008 at 02:26 PM
Gov. Deval Patrick (D-MA) is currently the governor of MA. He's a sharp guy and has a bright future in politics, IMHO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deval_Patrick
Still, with Sen. Kennedy (D-MA) being in the condition he is in, I don't know if it is a good idea to pull Sen. Kerry (D-MA) out of the Senate at this time as that would have th epotential to leave MA with two rookie senators.
FOXNEWS Greta Van Susteren obtains first post election interview with Gov. Palin... Van Susteren traveling to Alaska for extensive sit-down interview with Palin to air Monday night exclusively... Developing...
Looks like another softball interview for Gov. Palin (R-AK). In fact, Ms. Van Susteren was whining last night on how bad she thought Gov. Palin has been treated. If Gov. Palin wants to impress anyone outside of the hardcore righties, she needs to get on one the major networks news shows like Meet the Press, This Week, or Face the Nation and prove herself to be something other than the "dim bulb" which we all believe her to be.
Iraqi Shiite clerics warn against US security pact
By SAMEER N. YACOUB, Associated Press Writer Sameer N. Yacoub, Associated Press Writer BAGHDAD – Shiite clerics warned the government Friday not to sign a security pact that would keep U.S. troops in Iraq until 2012, as the prime minister studied what U.S. officials described as the final draft of the agreement.
Parliament must approve the agreement by year's end when the U.N. mandate expires. Failure to approve the agreement or get the U.N. Security Council to issue a new mandate would force the U.S. to suspend operations in the country.
Last month, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's Cabinet proposed amendments to the pact, including a demand for expanded Iraqi legal authority over U.S. soldiers and the removal of language that could allow U.S. troops to stay past 2012.
Iraq also asked for an explicit ban on the use of Iraqi soil for attacks against the country's neighbors, like last month's U.S. raid in Syria, and authority to search all U.S. military shipments into and out of Iraq.
Washington sent its response to the proposals Thursday and said the next move belongs to Baghdad...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081107/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq
It looks like our troops may be home for the holidays? Let us hope and pray we can leave Iraq without Bush causing another international incident.
WASHINGTON (AP) - Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell is talking to Connecticut independent Sen. Joe Lieberman about the possibility of Lieberman caucusing with the GOP.Lieberman's affiliation with Democrats is up in the air. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, angered by Lieberman's support of Republican John McCain for president, is considering yanking Lieberman's chairmanship of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee as punishment.
Lieberman and Reid met Thursday to discuss Lieberman's options, including possible committee and subcommittee posts for him. Those talks are ongoing.
A Lieberman aide, who requested anonymity because the talks are confidential, said Friday that Lieberman and McConnell, R-Ky., have spoken in recent days about the possibility of Lieberman joining the GOP conference. McConnell spokesman Don Stewart would only confirm that the two men have had recent discussions...
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D94A939O0&show_article=1
It would appear, though by no surprise whatsoever, that Sen. Lieberman (I-CT) is seeing which "power pimp" is going to give him the most. Well, this is America after all.
I have an idea. We'll trade Sen. Lieberman to the GOP for GEN Powell and Sen. Hagel (R-NE) and a first round draft pick in the 2010 season.
Kathy_from_BLUE_Indiana on November 7, 2008 at 03:02 PM
Nothing yet except a lame attempt by Drudge and the trolls to blame the last two days in the stock market on the election results.
BobVADemocratHawk on November 7, 2008 at 02:35 PM
Robert, I'll take 50% all day long. Conservative talk radio is hate speech and it is offensive. It's time to bring back the Fairness Doctrine period. Liberal and Progressive talk radio listeners are being discriminated against. Even in metro markets, our options are limited.
The idea that there is a liberal bias in the media is bullshit and every survey and analysis proves that.
Our analysis in the spring of 2007 of the 257 news/talk stations owned by the top five commercial station owners reveals that 91 percent of the total weekday talk radio programming is conservative, and 9 percent is progressive.
Lieberman in talks about caucusing with Senate GOP
WASHINGTON – Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell is talking to Connecticut independent Sen. Joe Lieberman about the possibility of Lieberman caucusing with the GOP...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081107/ap_on_go_co/lieberman_republicans
If Lieberman decides to caucus with the Republicans, I hope Pam and the rest of the Democrats in Connecticut get their recall machine running.
BobVADemocratHawk on November 7, 2008 at 03:04 PM
Liebermans options should only be to caucus with the republicans or run as the minority leader in the senate of his party of two. Shouldn't be hard. Hell all they would have to do is flip a coin.
As a democrat, I will never accept any deal with Lieberman. He has committed treason and now has to suffer the consequence.
Strip him and send him on his bike.
BobVADemocratHawk on November 7, 2008 at 02:47 PM:
I think we need to leave all of our senators in the Senate, particularly those with seniority and thus having chair*ships.
There are rumors circulating the tech world that Bill Joy is under consideration for a senior Technology slot. I don't know his politics, but he has been a tad "out there" lately when it comes to technology.
Bob,
You and I seem to be accessing the same stories. If the Independent Democrat decides he's a Independent Republican and caucuses with them, Lieberman will find himself at odds with those who elected him in Connecticut. He should not expect to be treated in the same way as he has in the past two years.
I'm so glad that in Obama's first press conference today that he said he would not delay his economic priorities such as alternative energy, education, and tax cuts for the middle class because of the newest bad economic news.
I was afraid that he might not realize the urgency and be dissuaded by Moderates from taking bold action. The times demand it.
He also showed his understanding of the economic situation being global and the need to work with other countries. Bush never seemed to care or take our allies or adversaries seriously.
I also like that he called himself a mutt. So much for the elitist label the Republicans like to pin on him.
BobVADemocratHawk on November 7, 2008 at 02:35 PM
Once again, the Fairness Doctrine IS NOT about dividing up the clock. It is NOT the "Equal Time Rule" (which is a Law still on the books that applies only to political candidates).
The F/D only meant that if a controversial issue arises, ALL sides have to be aired. It stopped outright bias of the stations and advocacy slant that was common with newspapers of the time. Since the public airwaves are owned by the Public, every issue had to be presented in a fair and balanced manner.
Your example of Global Warming deniers getting equal time doesn't hold. All they need is 1 time to air their side and that's it.
Michigan_Dave on November 7, 2008 at 03:06 PM
Agreed Dave. If you're going to use public airwaves, then 50% belongs to the left and 50% to the right. If Rush et al don't like that, tell him to go to Pay-Per-View or start his own cable network.
Michigan_Dave on November 7, 2008 at 03:12 PM
It looks like we agree again. After he trashed us at the RNC convention and on the campaign trail, what little respect I had for him evaporated. He and Zell Miller can go to Hades for all I care now.
Marc on November 7, 2008 at 03:12 PM
If you're referring to the Bill Joy of Sun Microsystems, then that may be a good idea. Like you, I'm a little fuzzy on his history. However, when it comes to technology and defense, I believe partisanship should go out the proverbial window. Either someone is competent, or they're not. They serve at the pleasure of the POTUS.
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/05/john-doerrs-advice-for-barack-obama-hire-bill-joy/
SandyH on November 7, 2008 at 03:15 PM
I'd love to get Pam's input on this since she is a well connected resident of CT. I agree with your opinion though. I think Sen. Lieberman may have a difficult time getting elected as a Republican from CT. He doesn't come up for re-election until 2012 though and who knows how much the political landscape will change by then.
Ah, the Reagan years...
November 7, 2008
A Dreadful Jobs Report Recalls the 1980s
By David Leonhardt
Today’s jobs report was dreadful — much worse than economists had anticipated — and you will be hearing a lot of comparisons that try to put it in context. This one may be the most telling:
The share of adults who are working — 61.8 percent — is at its lowest level in 15 years. And even that, arguably, understates the depth of the problem. Fifteen years ago, women were less likely to be in the labor force than they are today.
The share of adult men with jobs, which has been gradually falling for much of the last few decades, is now at its lowest level since a two-month period in early 1983. Other than that, it’s the lowest level since the Labor Department began keeping records in 1948...
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/
Bush is leaving office just about the way we expected him...a complete failure as a leader. The man never had any purpose others than to help big oil and the top 2%. He even failed them.
He doesn't come up for re-election until 2012 though and who knows how much the political landscape will change by then.
BobVADemocratHawk on November 7, 2008 at 03:33 PM
All the more reason to start a recall initiative. He better not caucus with the Republicans.
Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on November 7, 2008 at 03:27 PM
If global warming doesn't qualify as a "controversial issue" then I don't know what would, Doo-Bee. Thanks for the clarification about the equal time rule though.
Maybe Greta can ask Palin about this...
Alaska Turnout, Results Raise Questions
POSTED: 03:16 PM ET, 11/ 6/2008 by Derek Kravitz
TAGS: Alaska, Sarah Palin, Ted Stevens, politics, voting
A woman votes with the help of her daughter at a polling center in Saxman, Alaska, Nov. 4. Despite Gov. Sarah Palin's spot on the Republican ticket, turnout among Alaskans for this year's presidential election is not expected to eclipse the state's 66 percent turnout from 2004. (Hall Anderson / AP)
Alaskans are different. Very different.
Elections officials, party leaders and voters are wondering what happened this Tuesday in the Last Frontier, where turnout was surprisingly low and two lawmakers who have been the focus of FBI corruption investigations appear to have been reelected despite polling suggesting they would be ousted.
The final voter turnout numbers won't be available until absentee ballots are counted, which could take at least another week. But this year's total is not expected to eclipse Alaska's 66 percent turnout in 2004 or its 60 percent clip in 2000. (This is especially odd given that Alaska's Board of Elections saw a 12.4 percent hike in turnout for the August primaries, before Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin was selected as the Republican Party's vice presidential nominee.)...
Just how corrupt are politics in Alaska? Why would the vote count be less than in the primaries?
Transcript: 'I'm going to confront this economic crisis,' Obama says
Transcript of Obaba's first Presser.
I need to mulch the leaves before it rains and more come down tonight. It's knee deep in maple leaves out in the back by the creek. They only turned color Monday and now they're on the ground.
later.
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BobVADemocratHawk on November 7, 2008 at 03:40 PM
It is a controversial (to the morons) issue. But the deniers don't get "equal time" to spew their nonsense. They only need one shot to plead their case and that's it. It may distill all the Pug talking points down to just a few minutes of utter nonsense and that would be good for everyone.
"If Lieberman decides to caucus with the Republicans, I hope Pam and the rest of the Democrats in Connecticut get their recall machine running."
55SandyH on November 7, 2008 at 03:08 PM
Sandy, read Jane Hamsher article today, about Lieberman's options! He will not go sit with the MINORITY party. He will stay with the majority, and keep praying that they bend and let him keep his seats ! There goes another Small man, who should be a Republican though. There is no recalling him-he ran as an independent. But Note, in polls here, he will never win again!
Reading the Lieberman Tea Leaves
It's being reported that there was no conclusion reached in the meeting between Lieberman and Reid yesterday regarding the weaselly one's future as the Chairman of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.
The same sources who told about the substance of yesterday's agenda indicated that Reid is not kicking Joe out yet because there are several Senate seats still to be decided. If by some miracle Franken wins the recounts, Chambliss loses the runoff (which would probably only happen if Obama campaigned for him), and the extremely questionable election in Alaska comes down in favor of Begich, that makes Lieberman the 60th vote in the Senate.
Unlikely.
So what are Lieberman's options at this point?
1) Remain in the caucus stripped of his seniority, sulk away and suck it up. Hard to imagine from a guy who has used bitterness over his 2006 primary loss as rocket fuel, and whose sole political ideology seems to be revenge against the party.
2) Switch parties. The Republicans would love to have him, but they have no power, and neither would Joe. Further, he'd be giving up any chance of winning the seat again in 2012 because he's already trailing Ned Lamont by 10 points in the polls, and his chances of winning as a Republican in Connecticut are about zero.
3) Resign. This was essentially what bitterman was threatening the Democratic caucus with in his press conference yesterday, when he said he was "weighing his options." Republican governor Jody Rell then appoints Rob Simmons, and the seat threatens to turn into a solid "R."
4) Fight like a mofo to retain his seniority.
As long as 4) is an option, Lieberman will take it.
Reid doesn't want to bear the sole burden of that decision himself, so he's punting to the Senate Democratic Steering and Outreach Committee, whose members make recommendations for committee chairs.
Right now Lieberman has his friends in the caucus lobbying Reid to keep him in his committee chair. (Is Boxer showing up for Joe again? Salazar? Dodd?) So even if the Steering and Outreach Committee does the right thing and recommends stripping Lieberman, someone could object. In which case it may head for a full vote in the caucus - which would probably happen in two weeks.
You can sign a letter to the members of the Steering and Outreach Committee letting them know -- Joe Must Go.
BobVADemocratHawk on November 7, 2008 at 03:33 PM:
I hear a certain Bill Gates has a lot of time on his hands these days.
Only days after losing the White House and suffering large defeats in both houses of Congress, the Republican Party is striking a posture of defiance.
Within the past 48 hours, the RNC has sent out memos blasting the president elect for appointing Rahm Emanuel as his chief of staff and hiring David Axelrod to serve an advisory role.
"Barack Obama's first White House hires are hyper-partisan operatives," read a statement from spokesman Alex Conant. "For a President-elect who promised to change the tone in Washington, it's disappointing that he is filling his White House with partisan bomb-throwers."
Additionally, Republicans have put out a press release drawing attention to the fact that the president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, had congratulated Obama on his victory -- as if it represented a certain brand of foreign policy acquiescence.
Not everyone within the GOP has shared the fight-them-at-every-corner mentality. Craig Shirley, a conservative consultant, argued that the party needed "to start getting about the task of what they are for," and said of the RNC memos, "You got to pick your fights. It is almost like the RNC is in desperate need of adult supervision."
Both Sen. Lindsey Graham and former White House Chief of Staff Ken Duberstein, meanwhile, have praised Emanuel's appointment. Others, including a group of young Republicans, have begun charting out a path to rebuild the party from within -- an avenue that, noticeably, isn't premised on constantly punching at the Obama administration.
And so, the Republican Party seems to be entering a crossroads: either dedicated to contesting every move made by Democrats over the next few years or working on some issues in bipartisan faith while selling itself on a new set of policy proposals. One political scientist described it as such: "they could be the 'hell no' party, or they can be the 'yes and no' party."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/07/will-the-gop-be-the-hell_n_142134.html
The REAL Joe Lieberman will now come out. Is he the DINO we claimed he was, or does he really only disagree on the War issue/protecting Israel!
He is only using that GOP caucus offer, to try and blackmail the Dems to let him keep his seat, because once he is stripped, he is just another NOTHING in the Senate.
Keep your fingers crossed, Dems! this would be SOOOOOO GREAT!
Minnesota Senate Race: Typo Fix Gives Franken 100 More Votes
The vote gap between Senate candidates Norm Coleman and Al Franken fluctuated throughout the day Thursday, with Franken closing to within 236 votes by Thursday evening.
The fluctuations are normal, said a spokesman at the Secretary of State's office, as county's double check their work and report minor changes.
A typo in Pine County got fixed Thursday, giving Al Franken 100 more votes and tightening Minnesota's unresolved Senate race even tighter.
Republican Sen. Norm Coleman's lead over Democrat Al Franken stood at 236 votes Thursday night.
With nearly 2.9 million ballots cast, the difference between the top two candidates is about one one-hundredth of a percentage point.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/07/minnesota-senate-race-typ_n_142066.html
(watch how the no-it-all narcissist jumps in with His opinion, which we all know is worth shit)
Oh Gawd, here is another one!
The casino company of billionaire Sheldon Adelson, financial backer of right-wing attack groups, may be going bankrupt:
Las Vegas Sands Corp., billionaire Sheldon Adelson's casino company, fell the most in New York trading since going public after saying it may default on debt and face bankruptcy.
The casino owner, which had $8.8 billion in long-term debt at the end of June, said in a regulatory filing today that it probably won't meet the requirements of loans arranged by Citigroup Inc., Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. unless it cuts spending on developments, boosts earnings at its Las Vegas Strip casinos and raises more capital.
The reversal of fortune is a black eye for the 75-year-old Adelson, who was once America's third-richest man on the strength of his Las Vegas Sands holdings. The Las Vegas-based company's dwindling cash flow is threatening $16 billion worth of developments in Macau, China, and Singapore, where Las Vegas Sands is building resorts to cater to wealthy Asian gamblers.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/07/right-win-smear-funder-go_n_142135.html
When is the Democratic Party filing a lawsuit for the 2008 Election data??
Can that be done today??
In 2006, the Democrats filed a lawsuit against the Alaska Division of Elections to release public records needed to verify the 2004 election results. The Democrats also sought to have the Alaska Division of Elections release the raw data for the 2006 election.
UNEMPLOYMENT AT 14 YEAR HIGH !! Another gift from Republicans and Bush, the Worst President in History of the United States of America!
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GregL on November 7, 2008 at 03:56 PM
Bingo! 91% of all media are owned by the "Big 6" corporations. Clear Channel has 7 stations in Chicago alone.
Who Owns the Media? (Interactive site.)
Just type in your home town and get a list of all the info you need.
Click on any company logo and you will get a link to their home page with all of their holdings. It is broken down by TV, Cable, Radio, etc.
BFD, Danny. A nearly 2 year old article about PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS making campaign donations.
Are you going to display your OCD complex for the next 4 years (at least) and just whine non stop?
Grampy and the Grifter lost. Grow up. Get over it. Then get lost.
think limiting the number of stations owned in a market area by one corporation might be a way to start bring more progressive programming. I cna see how it would be better around here, where everything excet maybe one or two stations is owned by....take a guess. It's the media conglomeration that really stifles debate.
72GregL on November 7, 2008 at 03:56 PM
Standing ovation....nailed it.
Felix Gillette at the New York Observer got a look at some of the documents and found a list of names that CBS executives had compiled for its "independent panel" to examine the claims against Dan Rather.
The list includes Mr. Boccardi's name as well such seemingly reasonable potential candidates as David Gergen, Gene Roberts (former managing editor of The New York Times) and Dick Wald (former president of NBC News).
Then things get a little bit more conservative. Under the category "others" are the names of potential candidates such as… Matt Drudge, Ann Coulter, and Rush Limbaugh.
Herein, CBS’s full list of "others":
* William Buckley
* Robert Novak
* Kate O’Beirne
* Nicholas Von Hoffman
* Tucker Carlson
* Pat Buchanan
* George Will
* Lou Dobbs
* Matt Drudge
* Robert Barkley
* Robert Kagan
* Fred Barnes
* William Kristol
* John Podhoretz
* David Brooks
* William Safire
* Bernard Goldberg
* Ann Coulter
* Andrew Sullivan
* Christopher Hitchens
* PJ O’Rourke
* Christopher Caldwell
* Elliot Abrams
* Charles Krauthammer
* William Bennett
* Rush Limbaugh
At the very bottom of the list, someone wrote in one more name. "Roger Ailes."
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/cbs-independent-rather-panel-would-h
Once again, BFD.
He can only donate $2,300.00.
Just like every contributor to any other candidate.
PamB on November 7, 2008 at 03:56 PM
I've also heard that Gov. Bobby Jindall (R-LA) is going to IA around the holidays to test the waters up there. Look for him to make a run in 2012. Though as redneck as the GOP has proven to be, I doubt he'd stand a chance.
Former Gov. Huckabee (R-AR) has to be considered as the GOP frontrunner right now. The GOP sheeple will go for Gov. Palin (R-AK). Look for former Gov. Romney (R-MA) to represent the money worshiping wing of the GOP and former Mayor Giuliani (R-NY) to represent the war mongerers. I expect Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA) to represent the racist wing of the GOP.
Did you see the trending map that shows the parts of the country that vote more democrat or republican vs. four years ago?
The only stretch of red was from Northern Texas, through Arkansas to West Virginia. The rest of the country was deep blue, even deep red states like Utah, Idaho and Wyoming.
The map was pretty impressive. What Obama done was really impressive.
JaunC on November 7, 2008 at 04:47 PM
That is the most moronic thing I have ever heard. Just stay hidden under your bed. Be afraid, be very afraid, cuz change is coming, and to those that are nasty and divisive, your strangle on power is over. This country will now start moving in the right direction once again.
Pam, does Ned Lamont have more than just the anti-Iraq occupation thing going for him?
74GregL on November 7, 2008 at 03:58 PM
Hi GregL
At the time that Lamont ran against Lieberman was at the height of the anti-war fever, when everyone realized once and for all, it was all based on lies.
But Yes, Ned Lamont owns a business in the southern part of CT. He is intelligent, he is untouched by politics so is clean and integral. He has plenty of his own money, so he will not be influenced by lobbyists.
This state is a Defense industry state. submarines, helicopters, guns, ammunition, etc.
That is another reason Lieberman has always been a Hawk---to bring money to the War industries. He has been bought and sold to them.
Ned Lamont will not be like that. He hates war, even if our state may suffer some loss.
BFD, Danny. A nearly 2 year old article about PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS making campaign donations.
Are you going to display your OCD complex for the next 4 years (at least) and just whine non stop?
Grampy and the Grifter lost. Grow up. Get over it. Then get lost.
84Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on November 7, 2008 at 04:30 PM
DooBee, the fact that this small little man , had the nuts to come back here, after making a total fool out of himself, after his candidate losing tells a lot about him!
If he REALLY cared about the USA, about the troops, about his kids and grandkids, he would have accepted the fact that Obama won, that he should sit back and see what happens before he starts with his bitching, but he is not that kind of guy. Now Stevie is sick. We have had professionals look at his posts, and say he is mentally ill. But then you get hate laden guys like Danny, who discovered after the election they have nothing else to live for except this blog, so they throw away the little self pride they have and come back.
One thing I can say about MN Thomas/Harpo, he had enough class to take the loss, and let it go!
Danny shows he is nothing more than white trash every time he comes here. That is why he liked the Wasilla hillbillies so much.
That is the most moronic thing I have ever heard.
Stick around. He is a bottomless well of stupidity.
Thanks DooBee. I didn't have a link.
It's a great time to be a Democrat again, after sooo many were fooled for sooooo long.
BlueinIdaho on November 7, 2008 at 04:41 PM
Blue, that's a who's who list of the righties. CBS is trying to keep its money in the bank as opposed to giving it to Dan Rather who they know they shafted. Some, not all, of the documents may have been shifty but the story was essentially sound. 2LT George W. Bush ducked the Vietnam draft, was with the TX Air National Guard, on paper alone, and shirked his responsibilities as a pilot.
Cross Burned On Lawn Of N.J. Obama SupporterFamily's Obama Banner Went Missing The Night Before; Police Believe It Was Draped On 6-Foot Cross
Incident Follows Alleged Bat Attack On Staten Island Teen
NEWARK (CBS) ― Acts of racism have popped up in parts of the tri-state area since Barack Obama was elected president on Tuesday night.
In the latest, a family who had supported Obama's campaign emerged from their home in the northwestern New Jersey town of Hardwick Thursday morning to find the charred remnants of a 6-foot wooden cross on their front lawn.
Pieces of a homemade bed-sheet banner reading "President Obama -- Victory '08," which had been stolen from the yard the night before, also were found, leading investigators to believe the banner had been wrapped around the cross before it was set afire.
Lt. Gerald Lewis of the New Jersey State Police said his agency is treating the incident as a bias crime...
http://wcbstv.com/local/obama.bias.crime.2.858391.html
And so it begins. Some examples are going to have to be made of these racists.
Who Got To Ask Questions At The Obama Presser?In order:
Nedra Pickler (AP), Lee Cowan (NBC), Jake Tapper (ABC), Chip Reid (CBS), Karen Bohan (Reuters), John McCormick (Chicago Tribune), Lynn Sweet (Chicago Sun-Times), Candy Crowley (CNN), Jeff Zeleny (New York Times).
Which network didn't get a question? Fox News.
HAHAHA!!
They don't even deserve a chair in the Press Briefing Room.
Wow - signing in today was the worst it's been in a long time. Did anyone else have trouble today? I used all of the 'tricks' and none seemed to work until now - If that actually worked. We'll see ... now!
rjsnj on November 7, 2008 at 05:28 PM
Not only losers but paranoid losers. They revved up the black helicopters and molded their tin foil hats faster than anyone could've imagined. These people thrive on nothing less than fear and now that the fearmongers are being thrown out, they have to come up with their own boogiemen. They should all be sent back to their basements with duct tape and water.
The US Army issues a total repudiation of Chimpy and his phony "Forever War".
Army counselor sends out recruiting e-mail promising Obama will ‘get us out of Iraq.’
Bob: We have one or two Churches here in the Memphis Area that have signs with messages "Are you an Outcast in Obama Land?"
It is so sickening to from a "God Bless President Bush" sign (same church) to that.
Makes me ill. I am so ashamed of them.
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marymac_memphis on November 7, 2008 at 05:46 PM
Get the names and addresses of those political operatives (churches) and tell them that you are going to contact the IRS and petition to have their 501(c)(3) status revoked.
Then DO IT!
IRS Memphis Field Office
22 N. Front St.
Memphis, TN 38103
(901) 544-3243
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JaunC on November 7, 2008 at 05:50 PM
Well, asshole, the ARMY never used Chimpy's string of failure and lies as a RECRUITING TOOL. They just basically told Chimpy "You Suck! Good Riddance!"
JaunC on November 7, 2008 at 05:27 PM
Sen. Byrd (D-WV) has apologized long ago for his KKK membership and the sensible people of WV have accepted the apology. Those that did not accept the apology and wanted him to stay in the KKK vote Republican anyways.
When he entered WV politics in the 1940's, being a member of the KKK was just as important as being a member of the NRA or the Minutemen is for Republicans. But look how far we've come especially since Sen. Byrd fully suppported the Obama candidacy.
marymac_memphis on November 7, 2008 at 05:46 PM
They'll come around. It may take a generation or two but, they will come around. The newer generations, by and large, do not subscribe to the theory of racism or white supremacy nearly as much as they did when we were kids. The "Old South" will die a long and painful death over the next forty years, or so, hopefully sooner.
We see the evidence of such in the diminishment of the Bradley\Wilder Effect. In 1982, it was 12% in CA. In 1989, it was 8% in VA. In 2006, it was less than 3% in your state of TN during Rep. Ford's (D-TN) run against Sen. Corker (R-TN). The 2008 POTUS race it was less than 2%. We're definitely pointed in the right direction.
Have Faith. Humanity has a great potential in this new century. Let's hope and pray we can all live to see it come to fruition.
JaunC on November 7, 2008 at 06:08 PM
The late Sens. Helm and Thurmond were never able to live it down because they practiced racism until the day they died. And I seriously doubt your claim that Sen. Byrd has dropped any "N-bombs" in decades.
We both know that racism is rampant through the rank and file of the GOP. That is why all of the former Dixiecrats bailed on us after the passage of the Civil and Voting Rights Acts. It is this nation's worst kept secret. You and your fellow trolls postings here are evidence of that when y'all dip to that third-grade schoolyard mentality you show here from time to time.
President Johnson (D-TX) was incorrect about losing the south for a generation due to passage of those Acts. It was actually two generations and in some quarters, like TX, AL, and MS, is still goes on. But in VA and NC, we have turned the corner. The racists are right where they belong; in the minority. Ironic, isn't it?
wow the trolls actually show up here after they got totally crushed and all their predictions were wrong!
i guess this blog has served its purpose. probably best to either figure out how to block trolls or just shut it down. after all we now control the white house and both houses of congress. better to invest our time in lobbying our reps for various progressive legislative efforts than go back and forth with losers...
The words of the trolls along with the words of Rush Limpbrain and faux's hannibal seem extremely hollow after the majority of the American Electorate spoke on November 4, 2008. Americans had a choice and that choice was made.
Good evening everybody, does anybody got any idea, who Obama is going to pick for Secretary of the Treasure? Who is on the list.
I think it will either be Tim Geither, head of the New York Fed. Or Larry Summers, and i hope it is Summers, Geither i don' think can be trusted.
What do you all think?
140gregg on November 7, 2008 at 06:41 PM
Who you callin' a loser?? :) IMO, this blog still serves a purpose which is information dissemination. Without this blog, I think that many of us would not have had the ammunition to use against the small minded people who send and believe every email they receive. Without this blog, I think many of us would have given up after 2004. It is still a great tool, and while it has its resident trolls, at least we know what the other side is saying and can respond quickly to the BS.
Plus, I still like y'all....even Bob. :)
News Junkie, are you around? How about those stock picks, i gave you last night?
140gregg on November 7, 2008 at 06:41 PM wow the trolls actually show up here after they got totally crushed and all their predictions were wrong!
The fact that they're showing up to post the same gobbilty gook is even more bizzare - not unexpected - but still bizzare.
Good evening, all.
rjsnj on November 7, 2008 at 05:34 PM
In a sign of how far the party has fallen, the Republicans set up a hotline and website yesterday appealing for suggestions from the public on how to rebuild...
rjsnj on November 7, 2008 at 05:34 PM
Hi, rj.
First, they might want to let anybody (including the trolls on this website who have no other place to express their frustration) post on the RNC blog instead of using it as a propaganda tool. The RNC has to be the less tech savvy, unsophisticated organization on earth.
Second, it's not the 19th century any longer. Slavery ended, so why are they still treating gays and women that way? Minorities and women are going to decide elections in the future. Get used to it.
* * * *
..."We are now free to start thinking again, acting again, and doing the right thing by what our constituents and our country need."
Now that is a big admission. Why did they stop thinking and doing the right thing for their constituents and our country? Because they are greedy, corrupt, and incompetent fools?
For starters I'd suggest that they stop outsourcing our American jobs and assets ...before the Communist Chinese and Indians nationalize them.
Poor babies indeed. They really don't want to reform their corrupt ways. They just want ideas on how they can appear to be more caring, less incompetent jerks.
I suggest they join the Peace Corps.
144BlueinIdaho on November 7, 2008 at 06:57 PM Plus, I still like y'all....even Bob. :)
GregG, yes - but Bob? - just kidding Bob :)
JaunC on November 7, 2008 at 06:27 PM
So you would hire this Negro as your butler?
J(ERK)AUNC,
clarence thomas is an uncle tom.
Obama is going to stuff the supreme court with northern liberals who will serve for the next 50 years.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
151SwirlyEyedObamabot on November 7, 2008 at 07:02 PM I'm going to take a swipe at a wild guess and say you all must be on government assistance.
Sally claims he has his own business - maybe it's successful - maybe not - you'll have to ask him/her/his goat.
149SandyH on November 7, 2008 at 07:01 PM Now that is a big admission. Why did they stop thinking and doing the right thing for their constituents and our country? Because they are greedy, corrupt, and incompetent fools?
No - because Sally and his friends are the only ones who show up caucus and nominate.
Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on November 7, 2008 at 05:45 PM
I give the guy credit for being inventive. That has to be one of the hardest jobs these days. I used to get angry when they called trying to con my kids into signing up to die in Iraq. Now I talk with them and we have a few laughs.
155JaunC on November 7, 2008 at 07:08 PM Did Dodd, Obama and the others give the money they took from Fannie Mac back, I must have missed that news today.
blah, blah, blah - the nation has been all through that spin, JuanC and elected a socialist who pals around terrorists and buys his house from felon and is a closet Muslim, blah, blah, blah
You're brain-dead, JuanC.
I think we all owe a debt of gratitude to Sen. Clinton (D-NY) for her help in the general election. Sen. Clinton proved once again that is a class act and the epitomy of what it means to be a Democrat. Though a few of her supporters never came around, the fact that well over 90% of Democrats voted for President-Elect Obama showed that the "PUMA effect" was practically non-existent. The election of President-Elect Obama was due to the Clinton Democrats' full support and for that, I, and many others like me, are certainly grateful.
R.I.P. PUMA and Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild. You're about to learn how cold it is in the poltical wilderness.
They'll come around. It may take a generation or two but, they will come around.
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BobVADemocratHawk on November 7, 2008 at 06:08 PM
Bob, They will come around in ONE loss of tax exemption. Period! A genberation or two ain't gonna work. TAX THESE MOFO'S TO DEATH!
Then go after the Mormons and the Catholics.
Enough of this "Oh well, that's the way they are" bullshit.
Either they PAY UP or SHUT UP.
Hey stupid troll, you should learn to read you ignorant fool:
From Wikipedia:
Albert Gore. Sr. was one of only three Democratic senators from the eleven former Confederate states who did not sign the 1956 Southern Manifesto opposing integration, the other two being Senate Majority Leader Lyndon B. Johnson (who was not asked to sign) and Gore's fellow Tennessean Estes Kefauver, who refused to sign. South Carolina Senator J. Strom Thurmond tried to get Gore to sign the Southern Manifesto, but was told "Hell no" by Gore. Gore could not, however, be regarded as an out-and-out integrationist, having voted against some major civil rights legislation including the Civil Rights Act of 1964. (Gore later claimed that the 1964 vote was his biggest mistake.) He did support the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
149SandyH on November 7, 2008 at 07:01 PM Good evening, all.
Hi, Sandy.
If the McCain of 2000 had run in 2008, I think the results whould have been much different.
This time around, he talked and acted like Sally.
I think he did it on purpose myself - knowing the results - look at the grimace on his face in the 3rd debate when finally brings up Ayers
It's like he's being tortured.
BlueinIdaho on November 7, 2008 at 06:57 PM
dorsano on November 7, 2008 at 07:02 PM
Wow, with friends like these... ;-)
You two are great Democrats and I enjoy the debate even when we're on opposite sides. Thank you for all you do here and for the Democratic Party.
We now own Freddie and Fanny Mac. It's your puppy and you should quit whacking it on the nose.
171BobVADemocratHawk on November 7, 2008 at 07:26 PM Wow, with friends like these... ;-)
:)
You two are great Democrats and I enjoy the debate even when we're on opposite sides.
Thanks, Bob - if Palin runs next time though I'm gonna support her - I want the freedom to regurgitate nonsense and not feel guilty.
Here, you all expect me to feel to guilty.
Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on November 7, 2008 at 07:21 PM
We are in full agreement there, Doo-Bee. Keep the politics out of the pulpit and the pulpit out of politics on both sides. I hope the Obama Administration will direct the IRS to put an end to "politcal houses of worship" once and for all.
BobVADemocratHawk on November 7, 2008 at 05:57 PM
Bob: Did you happen to catch the story by Gov. Geo. Wallace's daughter supporting then Sen. Now Pres. Obama. She said that, were he still alive, she believed that Gov. Wallace would have chosed to support Obama over any of the Republican Party candidates. She said that she believed that her father would be very, very disappointed in where the republican party has gone in the last several years.
After Eisenhower, Nixon, Goldwater, Reagan, Buckley and Powell (and well - I've lost count) endorsed, what respectable republicans are left?
BREAKING NEWS!!! PALIN LOSES IT!! SHE'S ABSOLUTELY NUTS AND COMPLAINING ABOUT HER CHEAP CLOTHES SHE NOW HAS TO WEAR!!!!!
Boo f***ing Hoo. She is crying now and complaining that everybody is mean.
This ain't a 400 person High School, Queenie.
Welcome to the "Real America" where "Real AMERICANS" look at the TRULY REAL FACTS.
YOU IGNORANT DIVA!
dorsano on November 7, 2008 at 07:25 PM
I agree. If the 2000 version of McCain had run, the results would've been a lot closer.
He thought his best chance of winning was to hire the people who beat him in 2000 and won the POTUS race in 2000 and 2004. Therefore, it was either bad judgment or he sold out. Either way, I'm certainly glad he is not the President Elect based solely on that.
176marymac_memphis on November 7, 2008 at 07:34 PM Did you happen to catch the story by Gov. Geo. Wallace's daughter supporting then Sen. Now Pres. Obama. She said that, were he still alive, she believed that Gov. Wallace would have chosed to support Obama over any of the Republican Party candidates.
That was well written piece - in it she referred to the 1995 re-enactment of the march from Selma to Montgomery where Wallace joined black marchers in his wheel chair. He fought for integration long after his polical career had ended - so he wasn't just doing it for show.
JaunC on November 7, 2008 at 07:35 PM
It does cut both ways, Dan. I have the same opinion about "Democrat churches" as I do "Republican churches". Keep the politics out of the pulpit and the pulpit out of politics. Houses of worship are just that, and absolutely nothing else. Otherwise they cease to be houses of worship and should be subjected to the same tax code any money generating entity is.
173SandyH on November 7, 2008 at 07:27 PM We now own Freddie and Fanny Mac. It's your puppy and you should quit whacking it on the nose.
Which Socialist bought Freddie and Fannie? - I hope he got them for a good price at least.
marymac_memphis on November 7, 2008 at 07:34 PM
I did not however, thanks for pointing that out. Former Gov. Wallace (I-AL) turned out to be a fairly decent fellow after he shed the smallmindedness of racial politics.
167JaunC on November 7, 2008 at 07:23 PM No, you are a Kool Aid drinker that can't think for yourself or accept the truth, you are a sad case.
A large electoral majority in the country likes my Kool Aid
There are other Socialist countries you can live in besides ours if you don't like my Kool Aid.
SwirlyEyedObamabot on November 7, 2008 at 07:12 PM
And you are basing your opinion of Justice Thomas on which opinions that he has authored?
190Sally-* on November 7, 2008 at 07:59 PM I see Hussein
Hussein - What a great middle name for the next President of the United States.
History will record that the United States elected a black, muslim, socialist, terrorist, name Hussein who does business with felons despite the loud warnings of independent thinkers.
Even people in Nebraska drank the Kool Aid - it looks like Hussein won part of that state's EVs too.
Well, asshole, the ARMY never used Chimpy's string of failure and lies as a RECRUITING TOOL. They just basically told Chimpy "You Suck! Good Riddance!"
123Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on November 7, 2008 at 05:55 PM
hey Doobee, did you notice when the ole fool from AZ has no answer to the corrections/truths we post to his foolish dopey crapola, he resorts to attacks and his stupid "koolaid' remarks? He never even knew what the term Koolaid meant till a few weeks ago!!! Now all you see is Koolaid and Jim Jones . what a Loser !
why does Lieberman have to change his party
He doesn't, you brain dead moron. He is the ONLY member of the "Joe for Joe" party.
191JaunC on November 7, 2008 at 08:02 PM People voted on the economy, not the liberal agenda, get over it.
Ah yes - the liberal agenda to buy up WallStreet investment banks with public money.
JaunC on November 7, 2008 at 07:50 PM
Those who would want to "destroy all churches" have a vicious enemy in me. The First Amendment guarantees the right for everyone to worship as they see fit as long as it does not infringe on the rights of other's worship.
As far as Washington wanting to tax goes, we're in agreement. We could go too far. But the reverse applies. We could go not far enough and end up with huge deficits. We've tried that already. We see how well that has worked.
That is why I'm a ardent supporter of PAYGO (Pay as you go) for Congress. If Congress enacts new legislation, they need to pay for it with spending cuts or tax increases and the process should be completely transparent including earmarks. To do less is a disservice to the American taxpayer.
But because of the current economic crisis, we'll have to waive the PAYGO rule for at least all of 2009. It's going to take a new New Deal, or something equivalent, for us to get out of this mess. Jobs, baby, jobs!
I see Hussein has already canceled his plan to cut taxes for the middle class as I told you he would. Eventually he will say "it is worse than thought - we must RAISE taes on the middle class".
190Sally-* on November 7, 2008 at 07:59 PM
Sally that is not going to happen, you idiot.
Although he will raise taxes on the rich, it might be delayed some what but i doubt it.
But i think he leave capital gain taxes as is.
Of course not many people have capital gains anyway, so its a non starter to begin with. In this environment.
Dan you were more fun, when you posted as Cactus, Januc. is boring.
Hey Dors! How are you? Sorry that I have been in and out and did not acknowledge your post earlier.
Have you noticed how the most stupid trolls grab an isolated fact and post it in an attempt to make someone, anyone appear to be something that they are not?
Sen. Albert Gore, Sr. was famous for his support of civil rights and voted against one major bill that supported it. He was a pioneer in the South and his son, Vice President Al Gore, Jr. has and will continue to pay the price for his father's great work.
The ignorant, unprincipled troll takes one act - one that the man himself called his 'biggest mistake' - and tries to make the man into a racist.
The trolls learned this trick from the Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society, both of whom pay 4th tier or lower academics to spin facts to support the conclusions that benefit their political position. Never mind the truth.
Clarence Thomas is a respectable and honorable Supreme Court judge who just happens to base his opinions on common sense. The term "Uncle Tom" is offensive to the Black race and anyone who uses it is a racist cement headed idiot.
157SwirlyEyedObamabot on November 7, 2008 at 07:12 PM
MN Thomass (I am so disappointed in you. almost as much as TORO was )
Clarence Thomas was a pig of a man. Ask Anita Hill and a Republican led Senate Committee who let all the evidence of what a pig of a man he is to slide by in order to get him nominated.
shame on you. I thought you were different from the rest of them, but you are not. Just more small men full of sour grapes. Sick in the pit of your stomach that you LOST again! Suck it up! You lost, we won and you look even more the fool!
Pam, why are you such a lighting rod, for these stupid trolls? They must envy you! YES!
Chassie!!!
How goes it?
what were are the stock picks for Monday?
I'm going to 'sell' some of the gold and start buying (a little bit at a time).
197JaunC on November 7, 2008 at 08:09 PM Dors,
Did you sleep throuh the election, it was a few days ago.
hmmm - that's supposed to be a taunt or something I guess - by my count there are 3 undecided senate races yet and MO's votes aren't final - and it looks like NE's will finalize today.
205JaunC on November 7, 2008 at 08:16 PM That seemed to be Obama's agenda.
apparently he was heard by everyone but you. because you're special and an independent thinker.
Sally-* on November 7, 2008 at 07:54 PM
In a March 4, 2001 interview with Tony Snow, Byrd said of race relations:They're much, much better than they've ever been in my lifetime... I think we talk about race too much. I think those problems are largely behind us... I just think we talk so much about it that we help to create somewhat of an illusion. I think we try to have good will. My old mom told me, 'Robert, you can't go to heaven if you hate anybody.' We practice that. There are white niggers. I've seen a lot of white niggers in my time. I'm going to use that word. We just need to work together to make our country a better country, and I'd just as soon quit talking about it so much.[34]
Byrd's use of the term white nigger created immediate controversy. When asked about it, Byrd responded,I apologize for the characterization I used on this program... The phrase dates back to my boyhood and has no place in today's society... In my attempt to articulate strongly held feelings, I may have offended people.[34]
Byrd has since explicitly renounced his earlier views on racial segregation.[35][36] Byrd said that he regrets filibustering and voting against the Civil Rights Act of 1964[15] and would change it if he had the opportunity. He has stated that joining the KKK was "the greatest mistake I ever made".[35] Byrd has also said that his views changed dramatically after his teenage grandson was killed in a 1982 traffic accident, which put him in a deep emotional valley. "The death of my grandson caused me to stop and think," said Byrd, adding he came to realize that black people love their children as much as he does his...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd
If we're going to air the dirty laundry, let's do it completely. I accept Sen. Byrd's explanation and his apology. I think his electorate does as well otherwise he wouldn't be on his ninth senate term.
Well ya dope, why does Lieberman have to change his party. All he has to say is "the Democrats in the Senate are major turds so I am gonna caucus with the Republican who are much finer people."
184Sally-* on November 7, 2008 at 07:47 PM
speaking of turds, you numb one, Lieberman can caucus with the Republicans like he has right along if he wants to . We don't care anymore. He is NOTHING now. Did you see his face yesterday, after his talk with Reid? And now blackmailing the Dems , that if they take away a Democratic committee seat and give it to a REAL Democrat, he will go caucus with the MINORITY party? Oh that will sure hurt them, won't it>
Looks like we have 57 seats, and MAYBE you will have Al Franken as your MN senator after all. I sent some more money to his campaign . And maybe Chambliss may fall yet too. It just keeps getting better and better, and you Sick Losers are still as shrill as you were right before the Election, when you KNEW MCcain was going down! Danny is going to have a stroke one of these days, he is so wound up! and won't that be a shame!!!
hi dors. good god am i happy! what an amazing string of victories...way beyond my hopes!!!
Good night fellow Democrats. Keep the Faith and keep the faith. The time of change has begun!
167JaunC on November 7, 2008 at 07:23 PM No, you are a Kool Aid drinker that can't think for yourself or accept the truth, you are a sad case
bwhwaaaahaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha, gasp, OMG!
Sad???? YOU are as sick as Stevie/Sally !!!!! LMAO!
Pam: Hi! Thanks again for all of your hard work - not just on election day - but everyday.
I just figured out that swirleyeyed is Sally, who turns my stomach - just as I know he does yours.
He really thinks that Thomas is a competent jurist? Wow, now that's stupid. I did not know that they made people as stupid as Silly/Sally/Swirley, did you?
Chassie!!!
How goes it?
what were are the stock picks for Monday?
I'm going to 'sell' some of the gold and start buying (a little bit at a time).
207marymac_memphis on November 7, 2008 at 08:18 PM
Mary-Mac, come in about 7:00 P.M. Sunday and I'll let you know if i have any. I got to work on it over the weekend. I was suppose to go fishing with my grand children, this weekend, but my Daughter in Law canceled that out, I'm very disappointed, i was really looking forward to it.
So i guess I'll just stay around here, and do some things that i have been putting off, thur the election. Bummer.
202marymac_memphis on November 7, 2008 at 08:13 PM Hey Dors! How are you?
Hi, Mary.
Have you noticed how the most stupid trolls grab an isolated fact and post it in an attempt to make someone, anyone appear to be something that they are not?
That's an old trick actually - it was first catalogued by Aristotle (devices of persuassion) - it was rediscovered by Western Europe after the Middle Ages during the Renaissance and is taught as part of Classical Rhetoric.
The people funded by Heritage have learned it well.
marymac_memphis on November 7, 2008 at 08:18 PM
I really don't want to quibble here, but this is a DOT ORG and is not supposed to be endorsing, supporting or promoting specific corporate entities. Notice the lack of advertising.
The Pugs GOP DOT COM is set up as a COMMERCIAL enterprise, and CAN deal with such.
If you and Chassie want to talk business that is LEGAL over at GOP DOt COM, here on this blog, it isn't.
This gives the impression that the DNC is favoring or manipulating the Markets.
Just a comment. Check with Matt for the legalities.
BUT, the terms of use specifically note that this forum is not to be used for commercial purposes.
Contact the KA administrator for the specifics.
So tolerant pammy, is that what you posted?210JaunC on November 7, 2008 at 08:20 PM
You show me where there is a RACIST bit to that comment of mine, or shut your big obese pie hole, Danny. I am sick of a big fat ass like you sitting there , hiding behind phoney names because you have no guts, DARING to call others racist or biased, when YOU are the biggest pig of a man ever born! You never answer me when I ask you where is your wife when you are on here 24/7!! Or don;t your kids need anything anymore? I have a very clear picture of your life, and it ain't pretty!
217BobVADemocratHawk on November 7, 2008 at 08:27 PM Good night fellow Democrats. Keep the Faith and keep the faith. The time of change has begun!
Good night, Bob.
215gregg on November 7, 2008 at 08:24 PM hi dors. good god am i happy! what an amazing string of victories...way beyond my hopes!!!
It was a good election :)
Hi MaryMac,
no, swirleyeye is the old MN Thomass. You can smell his arrogance ! There is a certain attitude of assumed superiority when he comes in.
I have a nice folder going of all his posts.
Every Dem on here worked just as hard as I did. Donated more than they should have.
The Victory was worth every single minute, every dollar! Watching these trolls makes it all worth while, too. You can FEEL their pain!
LOL!
216JaunC on November 7, 2008 at 08:26 PM Dors,
You seem to still be campaigning,
No, JuanC - I'm not campaiging - I thought I'd indulge in your hobby for awhile.
I was refering to wall street and how is he going to "change it" when he took the money?
Then it seems you're still campaiging - because I posted numerous links to that gibberish when you posted it back when the campaigns where still going on
and my indulgence in your hobby only goes so far - when I feel like I have to hit you in the head with hammer it is no longer fun.
But you're right - Obama won.
I really don't want to quibble here, but this is a DOT ORG and is not supposed to be endorsing, supporting or promoting specific corporate entities. Notice the lack of advertising.
Doo Bee, what the hell does that got to do with one, dem relating to another dem? Your being a complete jerk. Are you a Jerk?
I think you are, a extreme far leftest Jerk, I guess you didn't like what i said about Obama, catering to the far left yesterday. So now your attacking in another way. I think that you got a narrow mind, and are a first class Prick. Do you enjoy being a Prick? You must!
Oh, Poor, Poor Sarah. So Un-Lovely,. So Un-Talented! Just a thief. So damn dumb! RNC going to be going up there to go thru all the closets! hahahahahaha
ANCHORAGE, Alaska – Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin called her critics cowards and jerks Friday for deriding her anonymously and insisted she never asked for the expensive wardrobe purchased for her use on the presidential campaign.
"I never asked for anything more than a Diet Dr. Pepper once in a while," Palin said as she returned to the governor's office from her two-month odyssey as the GOP vice presidential nominee. She said the Republican National Committee paid for the tens of thousands of dollars in designer clothes and accessories.
"Those are the RNC's clothes. They're not my clothes. I never forced anybody to buy anything," she said.
Republican Party lawyers are still trying to determine exactly what clothing was purchased for Palin at such high-end stores as Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus, what was returned and what has become of the rest.
She particularly lashed out at the anonymous Republican campaign sources cited in a Fox News report who said she did not know Africa was a continent, not a country, and could not name the three countries in the North American Free Trade Agreement — Canada, the United States and Mexico.
Meanwhile, RNC lawyers are discussing with Palin whether what's left of the clothing and accessories purchased for her on the campaign trail will go to charity, back to stores or be paid for by Palin, a McCain-Palin campaign official said Friday, speaking on condition of anonymity because the campaign hadn't authorized comment.
The sorting should be completed in the next four or five days, the campaign official said, declining to say whether the RNC was sending anyone to Alaska to help take inventory
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081107/ap_on_el_pr/palin_clothing
234SwirlyEyedObamabot on November 7, 2008 at 08:45
LMAO. evening Thomass. Gotcha!!! hahahahahahaha
Doo Bee, in case you don't know it, they is a fine line, between a prick, and a troll.
Not much difference in my book. Why don't you call Matt or email him and get me blocked from the Blog, it won't be the first time.
Good night Bob, God Bless
228JaunC on November 7, 2008 at 08:37 PM
you REALLY have nerve using God's name, after the filth, racism, mean spirited bullshit you post on here! Don't think for a minute he is not paying attention to you-----or that your not headed directly to hell! God hates hypocrits more than anything.
236JaunC on November 7, 2008 at 08:46 PM Man you have been drinking the Kool aid.
JuanC - corporations, including hybrids like Fredie and Fanie can't donate to political campaigns - only individuals can.
If you look at the individual donations coming from employees of those firms - the officers and lobbiest gave to McCain.
Those not in a position to influence donated to Obama.
You likely could make a similar claim by looking at individual donations from government employees in any state - and claim they are supporting big government with salaries paid by public money.
And no doubt - some day you will.
Logging out Dems.
Still can't get the smile off my face since Tuesday night, 11:00PM, when Obama declared Winner! I hope this glow lasts a long time!
blog ya tomorrow..........
I found this post over on another blog, but I absolutely love it!
"I am (what you might call) a
Fri, 11/07/2008 - 18:33 — Anonsensical (not verified)
I am (what you might call) a have, versus a have not. I voted for Obama. I do not believe in redistributing wealth, but I do believe in 'balancing the playing field' Words are important. I don't want our government's policies to take anything from anybody who has earned it, just because they are successful; however, I also don't believe that laws (tax or otherwise) should be skewed in favor of one group, or groups, because they can spend millions per year on lobbyists. Why we are paying billions to subsidize big oil is beyond me. In 2005 the Bush administration authorized an additional 32.9 billion dollars in NEW subsidies over a five-year period. This to an industry which has recorded record profits each quarter for the last 2 years. The corporate give-aways must end and we need to strengthen the 'safety net' that protects the average American who needs health care or TEMPORARY assistance based upon the economy and job loss. I agree with 'Conan' who talked about using the unemployed to help improve the U.S. infrastructure, as was done with the New Deal. Justice is the removal of inequality. No one should be talking about 'taking' from people because they have wealth; it is counterproductive. Instead we should be asking for equality under the law (which is our right as citizens) Not even the most dyed in the wool conservative could argue with that."
243PamB on November 7, 2008 at 08:57 PM Logging out Dems.
Good night, Pam - I'm off too - need to be productive tomorrow - yuck
Still can't get the smile off my face since Tuesday night, 11:00PM, when Obama declared Winner!
:)
House Races Push Women's Numbers to New High
Thursday 06 November 2008
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by: Alison Bowen, Women's eNews
The number of women in the US House of Representatives will reach a high of 74 when the victors take office in January. (Photo: Pingree for Congress)
Election night nudged up the female composition of the next US House of Representatives by three lawmakers, to a record 74. But the political gender gap remains wide, with women's share of the House staying at 16 percent.
Obama is getting his administration and cabinet in order.
In the meantime, the republicans are scrambling.
Even the trolls are desperate as everyone can see on this blog.
It's funny to see how the trolls lost the election by a mandate and a landslide and yet they don't learn from their mistakes.
Everyone should be happy that the trolls are "staying the course".
At this rate, the midterm elections in 2010 will complete a filibuster proof senate and an even larger Democratic majority in the house.
Think about it.
Good night, PamB, Mary, chassie, the doo bee brothers (GregG and DPD), and Click and Clack the troll brothers, and the blues brothers, and the band of brothers, and my brothers (even the Rush Limbaugh ones).
The republicans do not want Obama to succeed, but there is nothing they can do about it.
The republicans have already been voted irrelevant by the majority of Americans. And if they keep it up they will enjoy the status of "irrelevant" for years to come.
Mary-Mac, and New Junkie before i get blocked from here again, give me another blog that we can related to each other, with out the interference of bias folks.
Bullshit. If a Nurse witnessed that she would be in prison still. Christ (note the name) in Oak Lawn is a Level 1trauma center and one of the best hospitals in the Midwest.
As for your bullshit fest about Obama's votes on the issue, perhaps you can take your small mind and open it a bit to the thinking of a Constitution Scholar. Here is the real poop (which you enjoy, as evidenced by your diaper and dildo "gay curious" meet ups that you attend on a regular basis. OK I'll give you 2 of them, but what's up with the diapers?).
What you need to know about the `Born Alive' controversy and Barack Obama
(Which the troll will NEVER read because it contains Facts and TOO MANY WORDS.)
Now Danny will say "Oh yeah, whacky liberal blogs like the Chicago Tribune!).
Then the insults will start.
It's what they do. It's all they know. It's all they CAN do.
DBDBD: Sorry for offending you.
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marymac_memphis on November 7, 2008 at 08:41 PM
You didn't offend me, it's just that trading stock tips violates the "terms of use" of this NOT FOR PROFIT blog. I just don't want your posts to get deleted if the administrators decided that the purpose of this site has become personal enrichment.
Besides, openly mentioning specific corporations can be seen as manipulation of the Markets and is NOT allowed by ANY political Partry.
Let's not forget, we are playing on someone else's private property.
Let's not forget, we are playing on someone else's private property.
257Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on November 7, 2008 at 09:45 PM
That is a bunch of horse shit, you act like you own this blog. In case you can't comprehend this is a open Blog. Now do you get it? What is your problem? I'm just trying to help people, do you have something against that? I'm not charging nothing for the advice. You could of even took the advice your self if you was not so rebellious.
You act like i have never had nothing Political to add to the blog, and that I'm here for profit. That simply is not true.
I don't need this blog for that.
Yes, that's wonderful and all. I don't own this blog and I have zero authority to throw anybody off (if I did there would be a few trolls with sore butt cheeks and boot prints on their asses).
That doesn't change the fact that this is a tax exempt privately held entity and it was specifically pointed out in the "terms of use" that this is not to be used for commercial purposes.
That's all.
Blog away. If you want to trade stock tips with each other, use PB and set up personal IM and email accounts through there that only you and your "PB FRIENDS" can access, and you can weed out the trolls. That also takes the DNC entirely out of the exchange and transactions.
As everybody knows, ya don't mess with the IRS, especially when the Pugs are salivating to find ANYTHING to sink their fangs in to.
Peace, dude.
P.S., "prick"?
Take this to the bank, Doo Bee, I will never put another stock expertise, My speciality. On this blog ever again. Does that make you happy, that your to stupid to pick up on it? When all i was doing was trying to help dems. I thought that was what we was all about, but i guess not in your narrow mind.
It has nothing to do with ME, it has EVERYTHING to do with the DNC and the IRS*. As I said, set up a Party Builder site and tell everybody where to meet you. You can then have a private email account and "talk" about stocks privately through that. You control the members of your group.
Problem solved.
*not to mention the howls coming from the Pugs if ONE of those stocks goes down even a buck. They will say "The DNC did it!!".
I don't trade stock tips, with no one, absoutly no one, done been down that road, i trust me, and my research, and spend extensive time doing it.
Good night everyone, and have a great weekend!
Chassie, your damn good. Dumb me, I wasn't sure when they opened, had been talking about it all morning, then I saw the bell ringing, went to the computer and by the time I logged in, STP went up something like 1.38 a share. I bought it anyway. It's still good. I'm not playing with a lot of money, we only bought 50 shares. But damn, you are good. The other one you told me about, FRO was it was up also.
I liked STP because they had more Cash on the balance sheet and more Retained Earnings/Equity.
Hey, did you see gov. Granholm of Michigan with barack and his economic group. I didn't know Granholm was an economic wiz. I think she was there to get some money for Detroit. Obama want's to help the Auto Industry. I think Ford is looking good at about 2 bucks a share. What do you think?
I really hope the only money they get is to re-fab the plants to make hybrid cars, otherwise let them suffer.
News Junkie here is a email if you want to correspond with me. marvin.1900@hotmail.com.
I can't talk about stocks on here anymore according to one of are fellow bloggers, go back and read the last 2 or 3 hours.
But to anwser your question yes FRO was up by 9 percent today.
Mary-Mac if you want to email me you can to.
News Junkie here is a tip, you can get REAL TIME STOCK QUOTES, on CNBC.Com when the market is open between 0930 and 1600 eastern time. Monday thur Friday, this can be critically important, when buying or selling, stocks. Delayed quotes, of 15 to 20 minutes can be unforgiving. Especially when the market is moving up or down big time.
Wow, the loser trolls are starting have a mental breakdown, staying up all night talking to themselves on a Friday night.
The trolls like Stevie Lloyd Thornburg from Hinkley MN, should get a myspace page.
That way he would have a date and he wouldn't stay up all Friday night playing with his computer.
Stevie once said he had a girlfriend from Niagara Falls.
Ppbbbffft!
Yeah right.
The republicans are getting more desperate and more desperate everyday.
Three years ago when bush got re-elected they thought the republicans would be in charge forever.
Now they are really hurting for credibility.
As Obama begins his term by cleaning up the mess that the republicans created over the past 8 years....
....the loser republicans and their trolls can only sit back and do nothing about it except spend dateless night after dateless night playing with their computers and themselves.
Eventually they will go crazy.
sarah palin is a hairball....
...yyyyaaaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh
good morning, everyone. woo-hoo! 4 day weekend for me!
An historic first
Throughout this year, New Hampshire was a state that we watched closely. On Election Day, the Granite State offered plenty of good news, but one statistic in particular caught my eye.
In addition to maintaining Democratic majorities in both the state house and state senate, the voters of New Hampshire chose to make a bit of history.
For the first time ever, women have gained the majority in a legislative chamber.
After Tuesdayʼs election, thirteen of the twenty-four state Senate seats in New Hampshire are now occupied by women. Peggy Gilmore (District 12), Bette Lasky (District 13) and Amanda Merrill (District 21) beat out their Republican opponents to join the eight Democratic female incumbents (and two Republican women) in the upper chamber.
steve, for someone who claims to be disgusted by homosexuality, you sure to talk about it more than anybody else I know.
and in detail, no less.
hahaha
ok, steve, you work on returning the vote to male property owners. I'll keep working on having a female dominate government.
The curse must be lifting off of us. hahahaha
"I can bring home the bacon, fry it up in a pan, and never let you forget you're a man."
Now, that is power.
;)
steve, you should concern yourself with getting laid and not homosexuals getting some.
it even has evil "wondering."
shame on you perverts. hahaha why don't "you two" go get some sleep? it's early here, so you won't miss much. I'm just going to post a few news articles I'm reading. Nothing you would be interested in, seeing how I'm a woman.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-excerpts8-2008nov08,0,5522514.story
Excerpts from Obama's first news conference
why repeat something that disgusts you? what is the logic in that? talking/thinking about something manifests it.
cate brought up marriage for homosexuals, not fagism. you have the two confuse.
but who knows, maybe it's one and same for you.
hahaha
evil, you should go hang out on the repug sites, that's where all the hottie women like she-beast are found, not here with us dumpy liberal bags.
go, run along, love is waiting for you there.
If you cannot gut a moose than you are no Sarah.
310Sally-* on November 8, 2008 at 06:33 AM
Praise and Glory to God! I would never want to be like the she-beast or have any of her tendencies!
I did de-head a deer once though. hahaha
Good morning fellow Democrats. Let the daywatch begin.
so sally would like to spend time with us arguing about whether or not sarah will be president in 2012?
sorry sally i think we might have more interesting things to discuss here like who the new supreme court nominees will be and how we can get a national health care plan and so on...i bet the anchorage news has a great blog where one could discuss fetchin sarah's life now that she has been tagged and released back into the wild as bill maher said...
and for my good friends here, would it be possible to return to the old standard of ignoring the troll in an effort to reclaim this site??
94BobVADemocratHawk on November 7, 2008 at 04:43 PM
The skin color barrier has been broken. Jindal will go for it. Have you heard him? Do you know where he stands? The repugs were so stupid with their 'choice' this year.
The_Evil_Dr*Burd on November 8, 2008 at 06:45 AM
you better run along, evil. the place you just described is no place for a "man" of your caliber.
hurry! get going! before it's too late!
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-watch8-2008nov08,0,7537966.story
Obama curbs the euphoria and builds his base
gg, when has the resident troll been ignored? the numbskull will never leave!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081108/ap_on_go_co/congress_global_warming
Obama climate policy caught in Democratic tussle
Morning Essie, Kathy, Bob and gregg,
Another glorious day of freedom. Will the shrub slink away to Texas like he promises or will he flee to Paraguay where he will not be welcome? In any case we will be free very soon to resurrect our America.
It's been cold (28-36) here the last few mornings. Later next week it is supposed to warm up and rain. I am already tired of winter and it isn't even here yet.
and there are those who want to destroy all churchs.
185JaunC on November 7, 2008 at 07:50 PM
Limiting God again? Do you honestly think He would allow His church to be destroyed?
esmeralda, me thinks there was a time back in 05 or so when for a week it was ignored. but then my memory does not serve me well....anyhow i find it difficult to imagine enjoying this site with the continued presence of the moron. i feel too good to feel bad.
Palin: I'm not a divaBy JONATHAN MARTIN | 11/7/08 8:16 PM EST
After enduring three days of brutal post mortem attacks, Sarah Palin and a group of Republicans who worked with her during the presidential race are pushing back hard against claims that she was a “diva” who helped tank John McCain’s campaign.
"I never asked for anything more than a Diet Dr. Pepper once in a while," Palin told reporters as she returned to the governor’s office Friday.
She said she “never forced anybody to buy anything for her” – a reference to the $150,000 in clothes and makeup the RNC purchased.
And, as the Associated Press reports, she lashed out at unidentified GOP sources who told Fox News that she didn’t know that Africa was a continent and couldn’t name the parties to NAFTA.
Palin said it was “cowardly” for people to make those charges anonymously.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15438.html
Well, it's rare that this happens however, I agree with Gov. Palin (R-AK). IMHO, it is cowardly that someone is making these allegations against her and hiding behind the press to do it. Whomever is making these allegations should step forward and provide further details.
But having said that, I am in the camp that believes Gov. Palin is dumb as a box of rocks. I have seen no evidence whatsoever that would indicate Gov. Palin is an intellectual of any stripe on any subject. If someone can provide evidence to the contrary, please do. Until then, my name is BobVADemHawk and I approve this message.
g'morning johne. I think I've pissed the others off and they are waiting for me to get to my chores. haha
Autumn rain here today, (can't use that there solar clothes dryer) but the temps are not bad.
I'm going to a few holiday bazaars this morning and then grocery shopping for my Necee's baby shower, which is tomorrow. only 3 weeks until Lily arrives!
Kathy has PEWS:
Post-Election-Withdrawl-Syndrome:
The feeling of general depletion and emptiness in the few days after a presidential election. Caused by the sudden withdrawal of any campaign coverage, sound bites, or pictures of babies being kissed. May be accompanied by aimless clicking on news websites looking for something to read.
*NOTE: This condition has been observed in people whether their chosen candidate won or not.
Wife, to her Doctor: "I'm worried about my husband. Ever since the 4th, he's just been sitting at home wandering the New York Times and CNN for hours on end."
Doctor: "I wouldn't worry about it. He probably just has an acute case of PEWS. He should be back on his feet by the end of the week."
Esmeralda on November 8, 2008 at 07:07 AM
Good morning, Esme. The color barrier make have been broken on our side of the proverbial aisle however, these are Republicans we're referring to here. Gov. Jindall (R-LA) may enjoy a modest amount of support in LA however, he would not win a single southern primary other than LA and I believe he would be trounced in the Applachian and Rust Belt states. The GOP electorate will declare him unelectable and that'll be the end of his national career just like Alan Keyes.
Kathy, I read where you said that there wouldn't be Christmas for many families in your area.
Last year, I was broke! I had nothing left after paying my bills. I was thankful that I could pay the house payment and my utilities.
My family didn't get much in the way of gifts. We cut our own tree down for $10. My parents received framed pictures I had blown up myself, my daughters got jewelry that I have been given over the years from their father, I recycled a lot of things from bed sheets to furniture, they got baked goodies and deer meat for their freezer. I felt like the bob cratchet family! but you know what? it was a most wonderful Holiday, it was the last one we spent with my Mother, and that is a cherished memory that will live on much longer than any store bought gift.
This year I can buy my children and granddaughters many gifts, but their grammy/Great-Great, isn't here to watch them open them up.
BobVADemocratHawk on November 8, 2008 at 07:56 AM
I don't know, Bob. We'll see what 4 years brings.
Sally-* on November 8, 2008 at 06:24 AM
...We must return the electorate to male property owners.
Spoken like a true Republican. If a person isn't white, male, Christian, and rich, then they're not up to GOP "standards".
Esme-
When I first heard about your Mom, I was not able to log in. My timing has been bad ever since. I just wanted to let you know how sorry I was to hear about your loss. You and your family have been in my thoughts and prayers. I hope your Dad is feeling better, I know he was pretty sick for a while there.
Presdient Elect Obama called us this. It's not his site, just one I found while researching.(aka-slacking on my backside while enjoying a lazy Sat. morning)
http://www.thejoshuageneration.org/default.aspx
Welcome to
The joshua generation
"Not by might nor by power, but my Spirit says the Lord Almighty." Zech. 4:6 (NIV)
“...to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the nations with the priestly duty of proclaiming the gospel of God, so that the nations might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit” Romans 15:16
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
Matt 28:18-20(NIV).
Enjoy the day, everyone.
hello, cate. thank you so much. I really appreciate your prayers. Dad is very depressed and lonely. 49 years, 4 kids, 11 grandkids and 2 great kids is a lot to share with one person. Love your "one person" with all your heart. ;)
He's not completely blind, but he is unable to see due to diabetes, so he listens to books and news/entertainment on the tv. I take Bella over to visit when she is here on the weekend. He really loves that brown eyed beauty! I have an interesting mini-story given to me by one of the office staff at the SOS, titled "The Five Negro Presidents" by J.A. Rodgers to read to him today. If you only understood our culture here in SE OH! then you would trully know how amazing it is that we have Obama as President!!!
Be well!
Essie,
The first Christmas after you lose your mother is sad but you will have family around you and I am sure she will be looking down from heaven.
I drained my solar water heater the other day and the water was still very hot despite the cool weather. If I don't drain it the pipes coming down through the roof freeze. Someone needs to come up with a solar clothes dryer.
Morning Dems.
Esme, have a great day with the granddaughter. I love being with mine.
Hi Bob, The amusing thing about the MN Troll saying only land owners should vote, is that it would mean that he Could Not. He does not own any property in his name. He filed too much bankruptcy in his lifetime that he is afraid anything in his name would be taken away. So this is just another one of his infamous 'taunts".
I get such a kick out of the German troll. He pays not a penny of taxes here in this country, yet he dares to comment on how taxes will be raised under obama! I bet he hates it that 85% of his countrymen are THRILLED that Obama got elected! But of course he is merely here to get rid of rage and hatred, has nothing to do with politics! How the internets must have flown with rage on Election Night, as Obama won! makes me smile at the picture.
bbl, Dems. Have a great weekend .
Someone needs to come up with a solar clothes dryer.
343Johne on November 8, 2008 at 08:41 AM
There is such a thing! I use it every weekend that it isn't raining. It's called a clothesline.
The carpenter built it, and God provides the power.
;)
Insulating Paint Powder Turns Every Color 'Green'Thermographic image shows areas of high heat loss (red and yellow) from a home. The blue roof indicates good insulation and little heat loss. Image Credit: The Insuladd Company
Remember that grade-school riddle, "What's black, white, and red all over?" Depending on who gave you the punch line, the answer was "a sunburned zebra" or "a newspaper."
Here's an updated version: What's every color in the world, but still always green?
The answer is paint that includes an insulating powder that originated at NASA. Widely used on commercial and residential structures, it transforms any color of paint into an environmentally friendly insulation barrier that saves energy and cost.
The solution is simple: mix the powder into any color of interior or exterior paint, then break out the brushes. When spread on walls, ceilings, and roofs, it creates a barrier that deflects the sun's heat away from the house, plus it helps keep heating and air conditioning where they belong. This reduced need for energy is not only cost-effective, but also a kindness to the environment -- an easy way to create your own "green house effect."
Many businesses use insulating paint to coat air-conditioning ducts, steam pipes and fittings, metal buildings, and cold storage facilities, such as walk-in coolers and freezers. For example, Purina Feeds uses a version of the insulating powder to cover storage silos, helping to prevent feed spoilage. The poultry industry uses it to help regulate the climate inside its hatcheries. Samsung applies it on military vehicles, and Hyundai Corporation's shipbuilding division paints it onto ships. It's even been used to insulate electrical switch boxes on the outside of fighters jets to prevent overheating...
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/nasalife/green_paint.html
This is yet another reason why I support dramatic increases to the NASA budget. NASA has been responsible for everything from this to microwave ovens to Teflon. I hope you'll let your House Reps. and Senators know how important NASA and science are as a whole.
Bob,
Basic science is extremely important to our well being. Didn't NASA develop the first hand held calculator and the microchip? They also developed the fuel cell.
We must do more. The State of California has teamed up with private funding to give UC Berkeley and another university in Chicago hundreds of millions of Dollars to conduct basic research of all kinds. I have the article here somewhere. UC Berkeley also runs the Livermore lab in Livermore California where they were building the National Ignition Facility. This is a huge spherical chamber fitted with lasers to study fusion energy. I haven't heard anything about it in a few years so I imagine that it was cancelled by the shrub.
His wars are more important than the well being of future generations.
Morning rj,
Finally a breath of fresh air in Washington. Now we may see some progress toward peace and prosperity.
The sun is up so I have to walk the dogs. bbl.
Johne on November 8, 2008 at 09:16 AM
Good morning, Johne. You're absolutely correct to point out that science funding took a major hit under the Bush Administration. For some strange reason that I've yet to fathom, the GOP appears to be anti-science. I guess it has to do with the scientific principle of proving your theories. Very few conservatives principles could stand up to the rigors of scientific research.
Good Morning, all.
rjsnj on November 8, 2008 at 09:17 AM
Hi, rj.
It's almost criminal the way MSNBC keeps Pat Buchanan around. He's obviously in over his head these days and Chris Matthews is always using him as a punching bag. They often team him up with Rachelle Maddow making him look even more antiquated.
His sister Baye Buchanan is even worse. The woman comes across like Joan Rivers and has the same irritating voice modulations as Palin. It's like they are letting the Republicans kill themselves off by just putting them out there to make fools of themselves.
Couldn't happen to nicer people?
There is such a thing! I use it every weekend that it isn't raining. It's called a clothesline.
The carpenter built it, and God provides the power.
Esmeralda on November 8, 2008 at 08:52 AM
Essie,
I have one of those, too. I don't use it as much as I used to...those wet clothes clumped together in a basket weigh me down more than they used to. The lower back goes faster than anything else if you don't exercise it every day.
Don't you just love the fresh smell the clothes get on a windy day? I love when detergent companies offer it as a fragrance...not the same thing at all.
This week, I spoke with President Bush, who graciously offered his full support and assistance in this period of transition. Michelle and I look forward to meeting with him and the First Lady on Monday to begin that process. This speaks to a fundamental recognition that here in America we can compete vigorously in elections and challenge each other’s ideas, yet come together in service of a common purpose once the voting is done. And that is particularly important at a moment when we face the most serious challenges of our lifetime.
Yesterday, we woke to more sobering news about the state of our economy. The 240,000 jobs lost in October marks the 10th consecutive month that our economy has shed jobs. In total, we’ve lost nearly 1.2 million jobs this year, and more than 10 million Americans are now unemployed. Tens of millions of families are struggling to figure out how to pay the bills and stay in their homes. Their stories are an urgent reminder that we are facing the greatest economic challenge of our lifetime, and we must act swiftly to resolve them.
In the wake of these disturbing reports, I met with members of my Transition Economic Advisory Board, who will help guide the work of my transition team in developing a strong set of policies to respond to this crisis. While we must recognize that we only have one President at a time and that President Bush is the leader of our government, I want to ensure that we hit the ground running on January 20th because we don’t have a moment to lose.
We discussed several of the most immediate challenges facing our economy and key priorities on which to focus in the days and weeks ahead to ease the credit crisis, help hardworking families, and restore growth and prosperity.
First, we need a rescue plan for the middle class that invests in immediate efforts to create jobs and provides relief to families that are watching their paychecks shrink and their life savings disappear.
Then, we’ll address the spreading impact of the financial crisis on other sectors of our economy, and ensure that the rescue plan that passed Congress is working to stabilize financial markets while protecting taxpayers, helping homeowners, and not unduly rewarding the management of financial firms that are receiving government assistance.
Finally, we will move forward with a set of policies that will grow our middle-class and strengthen our economy in the long-term. We can’t afford to wait on moving forward on the key priorities that I identified during the campaign, including clean energy, health care, education and tax relief for middle class families.
Let me close by saying I do not underestimate the enormity of the task that lies ahead. We’ve taken some major actions to date, and we will need further actions during this transition and subsequent months. Some of those choices will be difficult, but America is a strong and resilient country. I know that we will succeed if we put aside partisanship and work together as one nation. And that is what I intend to do.
The preceding was the transcript from President-Elect Obama's first radio message as President-Elect.
The very suggestion that Hillary Clinton would have held a seance is ridiculous. She was merely talking in a retorical way about how she admired Elenore Roosevelt and wanted to conduct herself in the same way.
I personally think it's cute that Nancy Reagan believes in that sort of stuff. It makes her appear a lot more vulnerable. It's a shame that the Republicans have to idolize their own instead of accept their peculiarities.
Dennis Kucinnich and St. Reagan both saw UFO's but it's the Democrat that gets mocked for it?
I'll now steel myself for your typical Messiah retort. What is it about Obama that makes you get so Biblical?
Of course, you idiots will start disparaging the Great Nancy Reagan with your usual venomous bullshit but you should be aware that your own darling former First Lady was a fan of such contacts with the other world:
duhhhh, MN Thom-ass, it has never been the seances that we looked disparagingly on Reagan with. It was many other reasons, starting with her adulturous affair with Reagan, and her covering up for his Alzheimer's when he was beyond being able to protect and run our Country. Her first priority was to protect and defend his feebleness, instead of the country, so she showed a certain anti-Americanism by doing so. Her accomplishments while in the postion were few and of no great value. Much like Barbara Bush who thought women should be in the kitchen baking cookies! Republian First Ladies are notoriously Stepford type wives, with not much intelligence, drive, or love for country.
ps, Thomass, I have a feeling that is just the kind of wife you have. Not exactly the sharpest tack in the box, which is how you come to spend time on an opposing view blog, distorting, lying, attacking. Can't you ever get any overtime at the TORO plant? Maybe I should talk to them!
SwirlyEyedObamabot on November 8, 2008 at 10:26 AM
Let's see, astrology in the White House, dope smoking in the CA governor's mansion, hiding the fact that President Reagan had Alzheimers that affected his judgement during his second term which would've led to him being removed from office under the 25th Amendment Section 4; we don't need to deride her. She did herself in.
For some strange reason that I've yet to fathom, the GOP appears to be anti-science.
BobVADemocratHawk on November 8, 2008 at 09:40 AM
Bob,
Maybe it's because of their high reliance on the occult? Palin won't have ventured into politics without the blessings of her witch hunter adviser. Pleeese bring back that woman in 2010 to campaign for incumbent Republicans.
The Republicans are so heavily invested in oil and other mining industries that they worry about their future incomes as science comes up with new ideas that bypass our country's reliance on them.
Esmeralda on November 8, 2008 at 08:06 AM
Essie,
I know that this might seem odd, but now that it's been two years since my mother's passing, she seems to be closer to me than ever. As I was getting out the decorations for Thanksgiving the other day, her turkey platter and gravy boat gave me such warm memories and a solid sense of peace. Life is for the living. One generation anchors the next.
Why is it that I always read up and seem to be so behind in where I'm going? I guess it's like a left/right brain thing?
PamB on November 8, 2008 at 10:48 AM
Pam,
I think you may be surprised by Michelle Obama. Professional women often throw themselves wholeheartedly into whatever challenge presents itself.
Being in the White House may give her the opportunity to really concentrate on being a wife and mother. Otherwise she would have been concentrating on a career. This may be a blessing for all of them. It's rare nowadays when any woman has the luxury or can afford to be a stay at home mom.
I get the feeling that her top priority will be to work hard to make sure that her children have as normal of a childhood as she can. That may mean spending more time with them and her husband instead of taking on lots of ambitious outside causes.
BobVADemocratHawk on November 8, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Thanks for sharing. Obama is obviously fixed on the challenges that lie ahead in a determined and organized way. I especially appreciate that he understands the urgency of putting his agenda into place ASAP. I shudder to think where McCain's path would have led us.
bbl.
SandyH on November 8, 2008 at 11:04 AM
sandy, as part of a broader inclusive energy policy and to protect our non-renewable natural resources, short of nationalising all extractive industries, we should at the least impose a conservation tax structure requiring that those who extract the most pay a higher rate. funds generated from such an approach could go a long way toward helping develope alternative sources.
BoilerMan on November 8, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Almost impossible to get any intelligent energy legislation passed with the present cimcumstances and embedded corruption.
But what might appeal to many and knock down obstacles and interests is to take away the subsidies to coal and gas and nuclear. Then just let the market and investors back the non-destructive and sustainable energy producers.
It's unfair to back industries when they are obviously doing a bad job and the alternatives have many advantages.
i am always amazed at how fast people can move past good things and wallow in the bad.
here is a reminder. just a few days ago our party vanquished the republicans in the election. all the ideology and practices of the republicans of the past eight years were completely rejected by the voters. we now have huge margins in both houses of congress and our mixed race candidate beat there cranky guy by eight million votes.
in short rejoice! life does not always go this way....
oh yeah, it looks like franken has a great shot at winning the recount in minn.
Russian missiles are a test, of empire limits. But the really important test that is here now is to our democratic principles. Do we continue to compromise them for energy and military strategies? And whose strategies are these?
Tell me again the wisdom of a powerful democratic nation suppressing a soverign country's population by force, until they sign away their mineral rights to multinational corporations. I don't quite get the value of the example this sets, except that it destroys democracy and makes enemies. Makes for more wars is all that I can forsee. This is the test on which the world is grading the US democracy. IMO.
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Iraq warns US on deal over troop withdrawal
By Ernesto Londoño in Baghdad
Iraq warned on Thursday that an effort to reach a so-called status-of-forces agreement that would sanction the US military presence in Iraq beyond 2008 would collapse if no deal were reached by the end of this month.
Two days after Barack Obama’s election as president, Iraqi officials were insisting on a withdrawal date for US troops regardless of conditions on the ground, and maintaining their demand that US forces be subject to Iraqi legal jurisdiction in some instances.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/624dff0e-ac39-11dd-bf71-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1
Aides: We Didn't Obsess About Obama's Race
One Of His Top Aides Tells 60 Minutes "Zero" Meetings Were About Obama's Race
Nov. 7, 2008
(CBS) Not getting obsessed about Barack Obama's race was one of the secrets of the successful campaign to put the first African American in the White House, Obama's closest counselors tell 60 Minutes correspondent Steve Kroft...
Answering Kroft's question about whether race was a part of planning the campaign, Plouffe replies, "No, honestly, you had to take a leap of faith in the beginning that the people will get by race. And I think the number of meetings we had about race was zero," he says...
The only time that Obama's race became a campaign issue for them was when the media began playing video of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's former pastor, excoriating America's treatment of blacks from his pulpit. "That was a terrible weekend," Dunn remembers. "The excerpts were endlessly looped on television." Then, said Axelrod, "[Obama] said 'I'm going to make a speech about race and talk about Jeremiah Wright and the perspective of the larger issue…And either the people will accept it or I won't be president…'"...
The speech was crucial believes Plouffe. "It was a moment of real leadership. I think when he gave that race speech in Philadelphia, people saw a president…out of the ashes really, he rose as the candidate," says Plouffe.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/07/60minutes/main4584507.shtml
I think this is a fundamental tenet for those who are successful. Confront issues and problems head on. Never back away or fail to see the broader picture.
I was honestly startled at the reaction to Obama's win by people of all colors and races. I never realized how much of a burden they had carried. The tears and signs of pure joy touched me in a way I really can't express.
If this Republic is able to oppress so many of its citizens so blindly and yet free them just as easily with the basic concept of the right to vote for change...we may not be in as bad a shape as the economy seems to suggest. There is an untapped, inner strength that prevails in this nation.
We have truly lived through a cathartic moment in our history. We overcame a lot of our demons by simply uniting behind the will to change and fully practicing our right to vote. This country has been way, way too apathetic and taken far too many things for granted.
Was anyone ever figured out who was behind releasing and circulating those Rev. Wright tapes?
gregg,
Right you are. And a great evil cloud is lifting.
But what a fricking mess these gorged elephants in office have shat. And no, there will be no surprise ponies found in the dung heap.
But I say clean it up quick as we can so as to not have to wallow in it any longer than absolutely necessary.
in short rejoice! life does not always go this way....
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gregg on November 8, 2008 at 12:24 PM
No, it doesn't. As that great philosopher, Ferris Beuller once said, "Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once and a while, you could miss it."
"Ladies and gentlemen, you are such a wonderful crowd, we'd like to play a little tune for you. It's one of my personal favorites and I'd like to dedicate it to a young man who doesn't think he's seen anything good today - Cameron Frye, this one's for you."
"What is so dangerous about a character like Ferris Bueller is he gives good kids bad ideas."
I'm now going to set up a see-thru bird feeder on the front porch so my two cats can watch the birds through the picture window all winter. Let's see if the the birds...or the cats...are smart enough to realize what I'm setting up here.
Actually, I'm really setting up another chore to attend to; but what the heck, there isn't much else to do but read after I put my garden to bed. I've been canvassing every weekend since July. This will give me something to do now with all that spare time?
A friend gave me this bird feeder after my mother died. Essie's comments this morning reminded me that it was still in the cellar unused. Time to give that friend a call.
bbl.
TomN on November 8, 2008 at 12:43 PM
TomN,
The Shiite clerics are dead set against the Iraqi politicians signing anything that would allow our troops to stay under any circumstances. The truce that has held in Iraq for more than a year may be about to explode again.
later.
Why is there concern? Could it be that it is blatantly obvious that the overriding purpose for Iran's nuclear program is to develop nuclear weapons. If our resolve toward Iran is anything like it has been towards North Korea we will be seeing fireworks fairly soon.
If we know where a murderous criminal is, do we get them on the phone and talk about how we think that using that ax they just bought isn't a good idea? or do we take the weapon away and dispose of the offender?
It's things like this that make it imperative that impeachment hearings begin now.
This insanity has to stop.
U.S. AND ALLIES TORTURED KIDS IN IRAQ PRISONS
Submitted by davidswanson on Sat, 2008-11-08 17:11. Evidence
By Sherwood Ross
Since it invaded Iraq in 2003, the U.S. has detained thousands of juveniles---some of whom were tortured and sexually abused, according to published reports. Figures of the number of children behind bars vary. Some estimates put the number as high as 6,000.
While the criminal abuse of male prisoners at Abu Rabi is well known, child and women prisoners held there have also been tortured and raped, according to Neil Mackay of Glasgow’s “Sunday Herald.” Abu Ghraib prison is located about 20 miles west of Baghdad.
Iraqi lawyer Sahar Desiri, representing the Federation of Prisoners and Political Prisoners, said in a published interview there are more than 400,000 detainees in Iraq being held in 36 prisons and camps and that 95 percent of the 10,000 women among them have been raped. Children, he said, “suffer from torture, rape, (and) starvation” and do not know why they have been arrested. He added the children have been victims of “random” arrests “not based on any legal text.”
Former prisoner Thaar Salmon Dewed in a witness statement said, “(I saw) two boys naked and they were cuffed together face to face and (a US soldier) was beating them and a group of guards were watching and taking pictures and there was three female soldiers laughing at the prisoners.”
Iraqi TV reporter, Sahib Bard-Adding al-Baz, arrested while making a documentary and thrown into Abu Ghraib for 74 days, told Mackay he saw “hundreds” of children there. Al-Baz said he heard one 12-year-old girl crying, “They have undressed me. They have poured water over me.” He said he heard her whimpering daily.
Al-Baz also told of a 15-year-old boy “who was soaked repeatedly with hoses until he collapsed.” Amnesty International said ex-detainees reported boys as young as 10 are held at Abu Ghraib.
German TV reporter Thomas Reutter of “Report Mainz” quoted U.S. Army Sgt. Samuel Provence that interrogation specialists “poured water” over one 16-year-old Iraqi boy, drove him throughout a cold night, “smeared him with mud” and then showed him to his father, who was also in custody. Apparently, one tactic employed by the Bush regime is to elicit confessions from adults by dragging their abused children in front of them.
The Los Angeles Times as far back as August 26, 2004, reported U.S. military police at Abu Ghraib “used Army dogs to play a bizarre game in which they scared teenage detainees into defecating and urinating on themselves.”
And reporter Hersh told the American Civil Liberties Union convention he has seen videotapes of Iraqi boys that were sodomized, “and the worst part is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking.”
Jonathan Steele, wrote in the British “The Guardian” this past Sept. 9th, “Hundreds of children, some as young as nine, are being held in appalling conditions in Baghdad’s prisons, sleeping in sweltering temperatures in overcrowded cells, without working fans, no daily access to showers, and subject to frequent sexual abuse by guards, current and former prisoners say.” Sixteen-year-old Omar Ali told the “Guardian” he spent more than three years at Karkh juvenile prison sleeping with 75 boys to a cell that is just five by 10 meters, some of them on the floor. Omar told the paper guards often take boys to a separate room in the prison and rape them.
As the occupying authority in Iraq, the Bush administration cannot escape legal responsibility for the torture crimes of Iraqi jailers or for the deplorable conditions in the prisons they operate.
Raad Jamal, age 17, was taken from his Doura home by U.S. troops and turned over to the Iraqi Army’s Second regiment where Jamal said he was hung from the ceiling by ropes and beaten with electric cables.
Human Rights Watch(HRW) last June put the number of juveniles detained at 513. The grounds: they pose “imperative security risks.” In all, HRW estimates, since 2003, the U.S. has detained 2,400 children in Iraq, some as young as ten.
HRW said the children “are subject to interrogations, have no access to lawyers, and sometimes are held for more than a year without charge, in violation of the United States’ own regulations.” It said children “have very limited contact with their families.” HRW called upon the U.S. to “ensure that children it takes into custody are treated according to their status as children, and given prompt judicial review and access to independent monitors.” Apparently, this has not been the case.
Clarissa Become, of HRW’s Children’s Rights Division said, “The vast majority of children detained in Iraq languish for months in U.S. military custody. The U.S. should provide these children with immediate access to lawyers and an independent judicial review of their detention.”
IRINA, the humanitarian news service, last year quoted Khalid Rabia of the Iraqi NGO Prisoners’ Association for Justice(PAJ), stating: “Children are being treated as adults in Iraqi prisons and our investigations have shown that they are being abused and tortured.” IRIN was refused permission to visit child prisoners.
Five boys between 13 and 17 accused of supporting insurgents and detained by the Iraqi army “showed signs of torture all over their bodies,” such as “cigarette burns over their legs,” she said.
One boy of 13 arrested in Afghanistan in 2002 was held in solitary for more than a year at Bagram and Guantanamo and made to stand in stress position and deprived of sleep. And 15-year-old Omar Khadr, a Canadian, was held in Guantanamo for two years without being allowed to see a lawyer or have contact with his family. Khadr has been held for a total of six years. According to the current “Catholic Worker,” Mohammed Jawed was 17 when captured in Afghanistan and was subjected to sleep deprivation at Gitmo day and night for two weeks. Every three hours jailers shackled and transfered him to another cell under a “frequent flier” program, forcing him to change cells 112 times.
Jawad’s defense lawyer Air Force Major David J.R. Frakt said the most likely reason Gitmo authorities tortured the youth (who had attempted suicide five months earlier) was “for sport, to teach him a lesson, perhaps to make an example of him to others.”
Officials from UNAMI, the United Nations Assistance Mission to Iran, said that children awaiting trial at severely overcrowded Tobchi prison, Baghdad, said they had been tortured and sexually abused while in custody in adult facilities prior to their transfer to Tobchi, and showed the marks to prove it. And at Karkh juvenile prison, children showed skin sores from lying on soggy mattresses in temperatures that average 112 during the day.
Former President Jimmy Carter wrote in “Our Endangered Values”(Simon & Schuster) that the Red Cross found after visiting six U.S. prisons “107 detainees under eighteen, some as young as eight years old.” And reporter Hersh, (who broke the Abu Ghraib torture scandal,) reported 800-900 Pakistani boys aged 13 to 15 in custody. President Carter wrote that the Red Cross, Amnesty International and the Pentagon “have gathered substantial testimony of torture of children, confirmed by soldiers who witnessed or participated in the abuse.”
In an effort to conceal conditions in its Iraqi compounds, the U.S. has closed them to human rights monitors such as AI, HRW, and the International Federation of Human Rights, says Ciara Gilmartin, the Security Council Program Coordinator at Global Policy Forum(GPF), a New York-based organization that seeks to strengthen international law.
GPF called for opening the Iraqi detention facilities “to national and international observers” and for establishing clear accountability for U.S. officers and contractors in charge of the prisons.
“The whole abusive system must be thoroughly overhauled or closed down,” Gilmartin said. “U.S. military and civilian leaders are not the only ones complicit in the abuse and lack of due process of Iraqi detainees. All who stay silent in the face of the Iraq gulag allow it to continue.”
In 2005, the AP reported from Geneva that UNICEF was “profoundly disturbed” by reports of abuse of children in Iraq prisons. “Any mistreatment, sexual abuse, exploitation or torture of children in detention is a violation of international law,” UNICEF spokesman Damien Peronnaz said.
According to a report by Felicity Arbuthnot published last June 9th in Global Research, the UN Special Representative for Children in Armed Conflict, Radhika Coomarswarmy, said children are not allowed any outside lawyers and may be held hostage to force an adult family male to give himself up.
HRW said that as of February of this year the length of detention for children was more than 130 days and “some children have been detained for more than a year without charge or trial, in violation of the Coalition Provisional Authority memorandum on criminal procedures. Not surprisingly, “One of the biggest complaints (by Iraqis) is that the vast majority of (U.S.) detainees have not been charged with any crime,” David Enders writes in the October 27 issue of The Nation.
Although President Bush says he reads the Bible, the words about children Matthew ascribes to Jesus may not have sunk in and so are worthy of repeating: “Who so shall offend one of these little ones…it were better that a millstone was hanged about his neck and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.”
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(Sherwood Ross is a Miami-based public relations consultant and reporter that can be reached at sherwoodr1@yahoo.com Ross compiled this article from news sources he believes to be reliable and is particularly indebted to the Glasgow, Scotland, Sunday Herald.)
The lower back goes faster than anything else if you don't exercise it every day.
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SandyH on November 8, 2008 at 10:35 AM
Afternoon Sandy,
I used to have trouble with my lower back until I started walking a couple of miles a day. I haven't had trouble since. It took awhile to strengthen the muscles but walking really did a lot of good.
ALBANY, New York - Even as voters in California banned same-sex marriage in a tight referendum, Tuesday's election opened the door for the same debate in New York.The pending shift in state Senate control away from Republicans removes one clear obstacle to legalizing gay marriage in New York, though opponents aren't conceding anything yet and advocates say they have work to do.
Democrats won a narrow majority in New York's Senate, where Republicans have buried legislation to start issuing marriage licenses regardless of gender. A Senate power shift was not a sure thing because four Democrats were considering an alliance with the Republicans, which could swing the 32-30 majority back to Republicans...
...A Quinnipiac poll in June showed New Yorkers split over gay marriage, with 42 percent saying same-sex couples should be allowed to legally marry, 31 percent saying they should be allowed to form civil unions but not marry, and 21 percent saying there should be no legal recognition of same-sex unions...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27605365/
I'll say it again. From a purely political perspective, Civil Unions are the way to go for now. Civil Unions enjoy a significantly broader range of support than does gay marriage. It would be most prudent to pursue this line of legislation.
Have a good weekend fellow Democrats. Keep the Faith and keep the faith. The time for change has begun!
Johne on November 8, 2008 at 02:57 PM
Johne,
Thanks for the advise. I knew there was a reason all that canvassing seemed to make my back feel better.
I take an exercise class three times a week where the instructor has us do this Superman exercise (lying on your stomach and then reaching out as far as you can with arms forward and legs high in the back) that just about kills me. Then we follow up with the Cobra yoga pose which feels great.
I like hiking in the woods anytime of the year but it's not as much fun since my kids are so busy with their own lives now to go along. I NEED grandchildren...but not until the boys finish their higher educations.
BuzzFlash has a survey asking folks to give Obama their best piece of advice. I think he should appoint only enthusiastic people. They are the only ones who will get past the obstacles and get anything done in the first year....and we really need to get some things in motion.
BobVADemocratHawk on November 8, 2008 at 03:42 PM
You have a good weekend, too, Bob.
While it might be easier, I think denying any American the rights that others have is not the right thing to do. It's not in the spirit of democracy.
It might be harder, but I'd like to get the ERA passed in the next four years. It's always better to work for something than allow others to work against you.
Bob- Do you not understand what happened in Florida?
They made gay marriage illegal, they made civil unions illegal, they made domestic partnerships illegal.
I'll say it again, they made civil unions illegal.
They don't care what you call it. They want gay people to go away. They want us in the closet, or imprisoned or dead. They think gay people are not humans. Got that?
This isn't about words Bob, it is about rights.
And Bob, maybe if it actually affected YOU, you'd have a different opinion.
PH on November 8, 2008 at 02:43 PM
This article was pretty hard to read, but it's about what I suspected. Not one Senator who heard those tapes with the young boys screaming has come forward to insist that they be released.
We can't hide this national disgrace forever.
Let me just state for the record that I did not bring this up the first time, nor did I bring it up the second time.
I am sickened by what happened in CA. You can't even begin to imagine what it feels like. They gave chickens the right to bigger cages, but told me I didn't deserve the same rights and protections you enjoy.
If you are straight, you should be just as offended. Why? Because if they can take my rights away, they can take your rights away.
Imagine waking up to find that if your name is Bob, you are not allowed to be married. Maybe if you are lucky someday they will allow you to have civil unions, but in the meantime they will villify you. They will lie and cause people to fear you. They will suggest that you are trying to change all children's names to Bob.
Sally and Dan will call people Bob as a way of hurting them.
People will respond by calling each of them a Bob as a retort.
That is "so Bob" they will say when they mean it is bad.
Don't be too sensitive about it, Bob.
They will tell you what you should and shouldn't do to try and get your rights back. Just wait it'll change. Call yourself Rob instead!
Sandy-
I think pursuing the ERA has some merit. I do think that we have to also continue fighting for equal status in every way possible. State by state.
Bob's original argument against trying for gay marriage revolved around the cost to the Democrats. I believe the fight in CA was funded privately. I know "No on 8' was privately funded.
Evil-
Good name for you, BTW.
You might put down the books by Thomas Aquinos and try reading some scientific studies. Preferably from this century.
Homosexuality is perfectly normal for a percentage of the population.
My turn to hit and run.
"Equal rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged on account of sex."
I'm pretty sure that was the wording for the ERA.
I marched and lobbied for it back in the day.
homosexuality is against natures law. duh
395The_Evil_Dr*Burd on November 8, 2008 at 05:22 PM
Explain to me why there are homosexuals if it is against natures laws. Is it the love or is it the sexual?
please forgive. I asked a serious question to a troll who only wishes to fight and call names.
I'll try to keep it to "taunting" them.
OH Geez, look at this! LOTS of Republicans think it was Sarah Palin who lost the Race, and you can bet they will see she never sees the light of day in 2012! anyways, by that time, Obama will have named 3-4 Supreme Judges, plus others, so there will Zero she can do about anything.
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by: Oliver Burkeman, The Guardian UK
Many Republicans are pointing fingers at Sarah Palin, blaming her for John McCain's loss. (Photo: Reuters)
As the implosion of the defeated Republican campaign continued yesterday, the landscape of American conservatism was dotted with signs that these were very strange times indeed.
Rush Limbaugh, behemoth of rightwing radio, took to the airwaves to declare war on two enemies: Barack Obama and the Republican party. Bloggers at FreeRepublic.com, an internet hub for conservatives, announced a boycott of Fox News and John McCain's aides fell over one another to leak embarrassing details about the campaign to the press.
Liberals, indulging in what the writer Andrew Sullivan termed "Palinfreude", were presented with a smorgasbord, ranging from the tale of how McCain's pro-Palin foreign policy adviser had his Blackberry confiscated in the closing days of the race, to how the party had paid for Todd Palin's silk boxer shorts.
The fighting consuming the McCain and Palin camps threatened to derail broader efforts to overhaul the Republican party after Tuesday's decisive defeat, for which some insiders blamed Sarah Palin. Veterans of the right gathered in the Shenandoah Valley, Virginia, on Thursday for a summit on the movement's future, but even as they did so, the blame went on.
http://www.truthout.org/110808D
Silk shorts for Toddy? Now surely those weren't purchased with the idea of giving them to charity at the end of the campaign, were they???
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081108/wl_asia_afp/chinausdiplomacy
Hu, Obama discuss China-US relations: state media
China and the United States should "accommodate each other's concerns," Chinese President Hu Jintao told US President-elect Barack Obama Saturday in a telephone conversation, state media reported.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/campaign-2008/story/762628.html
Obama's victory may show the way to win in future
Cate: I agree with you. It is merely all in the use of the word Marriage. If certain people are finding that difficult to imagine as uniting of a couple, regardless of gender, then let's change the term of when two people enter into uniting as Civil Unions. Let's do away with the word marriage. Let's all have Civil Unions. Then perhaps those hung up on a word, would wise up, and understand it has nothing to do with the word.
There has been homosexuality since the beginning of time. NO CULTURE ever found it unnatural until the American Religious Right Conservative party came along and thought they could stick the Bible into our laws . When someone finds and points out what Jesus said about homosexuality, then maybe we should listen. But I have a feeling he never mentioned it, not because there were none around, but because he found no problem with the idea.
We never thought we would see a Black Man elected as President of the USA in our lifetimes. Hang in there. We will see TRUE EQUALITY for all people, including gays in our lifetime too. Please bear with us.
good news abounds....
Obama Positions Himself to Quickly Reverse Bush Actions on Environmental, Social Issues
By Ceci Connolly and R. Jeffrey Smith
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, November 9, 2008; Page
Transition advisers to President-elect Barack Obama have compiled a list of about 200 Bush administration actions and executive orders that could be swiftly undone to reverse the president on climate change, stem cell research, reproductive rights and other issues, according to congressional Democrats, campaign aides and experts working with the transition team.
A team of four dozen advisers, working for months in virtual solitude, set out to identify regulatory and policy changes Obama could implement soon after his inauguration. The team is now consulting with liberal advocacy groups, Capitol Hill staffers and potential agency chiefs to prioritize those they regard as the most onerous or ideologically offensive, said a top transition official who was not permitted to speak on the record about the inner workings of the transition.
In some instances, Obama would be quickly delivering on promises he made during his two-year campaign, while in others he would be embracing Clinton-era policies upended by President Bush during his eight years in office.
"The kind of regulations they are looking at" are those imposed by Bush for "overtly political" reasons, in pursuit of what Democrats say was a partisan Republican agenda, said Dan Mendelson, a former associate administrator for health in the Clinton administration's Office of Management and Budget. The list of executive orders targeted by Obama's team could well get longer in the coming days, as Bush's appointees are rushing to enact a number of last-minute policies in an effort to extend his legacy.
A spokeswoman said yesterday that no plans for regulatory changes had been finalized. "Before he makes any decisions on potential executive or legislative actions, he will be conferring with congressional leaders on both sides of the aisle, as well as interested groups," Obama transition spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter said. "Any decisions would need to be discussed with his Cabinet nominees, none of whom have been selected yet."
Still, the preelection transition team, comprising mainly lawyers, has positioned the incoming president to move fast on high-priority items without waiting for Congress.
Obama himself has signaled, for example, that he intends to reverse Bush's controversial limit on federal funding of embryonic stem cell research, a decision that scientists say has restrained research into some of the most promising avenues for defeating a wide array of diseases such as Parkinson's. Bush's August 2001 decision pleased religious conservatives who have moral objections to the use of cells from days-old human embryos, which are destroyed in the process.
But Rep. Diana DeGette (D-Colo.) said that during Obama's final swing through her state in October, she reminded him that because the restrictions were never included in legislation, Obama "can simply reverse them by executive order." Obama, she said, "was very receptive to that." Opponents of the restrictions have already drafted an executive order he could sign.
The new president is also expected to lift a so-called global gag rule barring international family planning groups that receive U.S. aid from counseling women about the availability of abortion, even in countries where the procedure is legal, said Cecile Richards, spokeswoman for Planned Parenthood Federation of America. When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, he rescinded the Reagan-era regulation, known as the Mexico City Policy, but Bush reimposed it.
"We have been communicating with his transition staff" almost daily, Richards said. "We expect to see a real change."
While Obama said at a news conference last week that his top priority would be to stimulate the economy and create jobs, his advisers say that focus will not delay key shifts in social and regulatory policies, including some -- such as the embrace of new environmental safeguards -- that Obama has said will have long-term, beneficial impacts on the economy.
The president-elect has said, for example, that he intends to quickly reverse the Bush administration's decision last December to deny California the authority to regulate carbon dioxide emissions from automobiles. "Effectively tackling global warming demands bold and innovative solutions, and given the failure of this administration to act, California should be allowed to pioneer," Obama said last January.
California had sought permission from the Environmental Protection Agency to require that greenhouse gas emissions from vehicles be cut by 30 percent between 2009 and 2016, effectively mandating that cars achieve a fuel economy standard of at least 36 miles per gallon within eight years. Seventeen other states had promised to adopt California's rules, representing in total 45 percent of the nation's automobile market. Environmentalists cheered the California initiative because it would stoke innovation that would potentially benefit the entire country.
"An early move by the Obama administration to sign the California waiver would signal the seriousness of intent to reduce the nation's dependence on foreign oil and build a future for the domestic auto market," said Kevin Knobloch, president of the Union of Concerned Scientists.
Before the election, Obama told others that he favors declaring that carbon dioxide emissions are endangering human welfare, following an EPA task force recommendation last December that Bush and his aides shunned in order to protect the utility and auto industries.
Robert Sussman, who was the EPA's deputy administrator during the Clinton administration and is now overseeing EPA transition planning for Obama, wrote a paper last spring strongly recommending such a finding. Others in the campaign have depicted it as an issue on which Obama is keen to show that politics must not interfere with scientific advice.
Some related reforms embraced by Obama's transition advisers would alter procedures for decision-making on climate issues. A book titled "Change for America," being published next week by the Center for American Progress, an influential liberal think tank, will recommend, for example, that Obama rapidly create a National Energy Council to coordinate all policymaking related to global climate change.
The center's influence with Obama is substantial: It was created by former Clinton White House official John D. Podesta, a co-chairman of the transition effort, and much of its staff has been swept into planning for Obama's first 100 days in office.
The National Energy Council would be a counterpart to the White House National Economic Council that Clinton created in a 1993 executive order. "It would make sure all the oars are rowing in the right direction" and ensure that climate change policy "gets lots of attention inside the White House," said Daniel J. Weiss, a former Sierra Club official and senior fellow with the Center for American Progress Action Fund.
The center's new book will also urge Obama to sign an executive order requiring that greenhouse gas emissions be considered whenever the federal government examines the environmental impact of its actions under the existing National Environmental Policy Act. Several key members of Obama's transition team have already embraced the idea.
Other early Obama initiatives may address the need for improved food and drug regulation and chart a new course for immigration enforcement, some Obama advisers say. But they add that only a portion of his early efforts will be aimed at undoing Bush initiatives.
Despite enormous pent-up Democratic frustration, Obama and his team realize they must strike a balance between undoing Bush actions and setting their own course, said Winnie Stachelberg, the center's senior vice president for external affairs.
"It took eight years to get into this mess, and it will take a long time to get out of it," she said. "The next administration needs to look ahead. This transition team and the incoming administration gets that in a big way."
Now lieberman, bachmann and krystol are all praising Obama.
What a bunch of two faced losers.
And the trolls are still here playing with themselves and their computers.
Remember when Stevie Lloyd Thornburg from Hinckley MN tried to tell everyone he had a "girlfriend" from Niagara Falls.
And yet he would stay up all night long everynight posting about it.
Hahahahahhaha
He was dreaming because the love of his life is his boyfriend is the other troll who posts here.
Stevie Thornburg doesn't even get along with women on this blog.
Hahahahhahahahaha
the thing about sally is she is not a racist and is always right in her predictions...
"Another prediction for greggy. "There is no way that the American people are gonna elect a Negro of Muslim origin during a time of war against muslim slugs"
Mark it down.
Posted by Sally*Sally* on June 28, 2008 at 05:43 AM"
Four days since the election, and this blog has turned into a gay blog. Does anyone else here see a problem with this other then me?
I guess you folks, forgot about the worst economy since 1932, and 2 wars, and healthcare, and education, and energy independence, the national debt, judicial appointments, Tax cuts for the middle class, and on, and on. These were the issues that Obama run on, not special minority groups, interests.
These issues concern every American, special interest groups, that are expecting miracles, at this point are delusional. Its not going to happen, so get use to it.
These issues concern every American, special interest groups, that are expecting miracles, at this point are delusional. Its not going to happen, so get use to it.
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chassie on November 8, 2008 at 07:31 PM
Human RIGHTS are NOT "special interests".
How can anyone write discrimination INTO a Constitution? "Everybody is equal, EXCEPT YOU"?.
Get with the program. Human Rights ARE NOT to be subjected to a popularity contest.
Grub time, BBIAB.
415Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on November 8, 2008 at 07:54 PM
Well, well, well, i have noticed that this is your first post of the day. I guess you was waiting on me. What about human rights in third world countries, are as concerned about their rights, or just your priorities?
Mary, and News, i just want to acknowledge that i received e-mail from both of you, and will get back to both of you, tomorrow evening between 1930 and 2030 eastern time. I just got on the computer a few Min's. ago, I've been very busy today.
Everybody is equal, EXCEPT YOU"?.
415Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on November 8, 2008 at 07:54 PM
Well, well, well, you got me on that one splain please.
You folks don't have to wait for DPD, to eat his supper, you can voice your opoions, don't be bashful.
No, I wasn't "waiting for you". I have a life and Saturday is Saturday. As for that 'YOU" thing, you must know (without going the passive aggressive victim route) that the inclusive "you" meant anybody that waas EXCLUDED by that stupid vote.
"I have rights, YOU don't because I said so! So there!"
"And we took a vote on it!"
Really? Is that how you think? Because according to the final vote tallies more people agree with the Democrats than the Pugs so the Pugs should be all lined up against a wall and shot.
The popular vote proved it.
They have no rights because they are in the minority.
Easy Cheesy.
sarah, patriot, creationist, lunatic demagogue...
Telegraph.co.uk
Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over death threats against Barack Obama
Sarah Palin's attacks on Barack Obama's patriotism provoked a spike in death threats against the future president, Secret Service agents revealed during the final weeks of the campaign.
By Tim Shipman in Washington
Last Updated: 4:04PM GMT 08 Nov 2008
Sarah Palin's attacks on Barack Obama's patriotism provoked a spike in death threats against the future president, Secret Service agents revealed during the final weeks of the campaign.
Palin's tone may have unintentionally encouraged white supremacists Photo: Reuters
The Republican vice presidential candidate attracted criticism for accusing Mr Obama of "palling around with terrorists", citing his association with the sixties radical William Ayers.
The attacks provoked a near lynch mob atmosphere at her rallies, with supporters yelling "terrorist" and "kill him" until the McCain campaign ordered her to tone down the rhetoric.
But it has now emerged that her demagogic tone may have unintentionally encouraged white supremacists to go even further.
The Secret Service warned the Obama family in mid October that they had seen a dramatic increase in the number of threats against the Democratic candidate, coinciding with Mrs Palin's attacks.
Michelle Obama, the future First Lady, was so upset that she turned to her friend and campaign adviser Valerie Jarrett and said: "Why would they try to make people hate us?"
The revelations, contained in a Newsweek history of the campaign, are likely to further damage Mrs Palin's credentials as a future presidential candidate. She is already a frontrunner, with Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, to take on Mr Obama in four years time.
Details of the spike in threats to Mr Obama come as a report last week by security and intelligence analysts Stratfor, warned that he is a high risk target for racist gunmen. It concluded: "Two plots to assassinate Obama were broken up during the campaign season, and several more remain under investigation. We would expect federal authorities to uncover many more plots to attack the president that have been hatched by white supremacist ideologues."
Irate John McCain aides, who blame Mrs Palin for losing the election, claim Mrs Palin took it upon herself to question Mr Obama's patriotism, before the line of attack had been cleared by Mr McCain.
That claim is part of a campaign of targeted leaks designed to torpedo her ambitions, with claims that she did not know that Africawas a continent rather than a country.
The advisers have branded her a "diva" and a "whack job" and claimed that she did not know which other countries are in the North American Free Trade Area, (Canada and Mexico). They say she spent more than $150,000 on designer clothes, including $40,000 on her husband Todd and that she refused to prepare for the disastrous series of interviews with CBS's Katie Couric.
In a bid to salvage her reputation Mrs Palin came out firing in an interview with CNN, dismissing the anonymous leakers in unpresidential language as "jerks" who had taken "questions or comments I made in debate prep out of context."
She said: "I consider it cowardly. It's not true. That's cruel, it's mean-spirited, it's immature, it's unprofessional and those guys are jerks if they came away taking things out of context and then tried to spread something on national news that's not fair and not right."
She was not asked about her incendiary rhetoric against Mr Obama. But she did deny the spending spree claims, saying the clothes in question had been returned to the Republican National Committee. "Those are the RNC's clothes, they're not my clothes. I asked for anything more than maybe a diet Dr Pepper once in a while. These are false allegations."
Speaking as she returned to her native Alaska, Mrs Palin claimed to be baffled by what she claims was sexism on the national stage. "Here in Alaska that double standard isn't applied because these guys know that Alaskan women are pretty tough, on a par with the men in terms of being outdoors, working hard," she said.
"They're commercial fishermen, they're pilots, they're working up on the North slopein the oil fields. You see equality in Alaska. I think that was a bit of as surprise on the national level."
How long does it take you to eat a few flautas and a few tacos, Silly*?
I realize that your sustenance depends on a hot plate and whatever shit you can pour out of a Franco-American can; but really, do you think you are being clever?
Doo Bee lets get something straight here. No doubt in my mind that you got a higher degree of education then i, i was raised dirt poor, and went to work when i was 8 years old, to help my parents. But as far as common sense goes I'll put mine up against yours any day, cuz i don't think you got any, and i mean any.
Have you ever watched anybody die from Aids, well i have, and its the most digressive disease i have ever seen in my life, its worst then cancer.
I watched my dad, and a couple of his brothers, and some friends die of cancer.
I have only watched one person die from Aids, and it was my beloved son, just less then 2 months ago. He was only 38! He was married, with 3 kids. I don't know where he got off on the wrong track, but he did. I didn't even know it until he went in the hospital. The first time i seen him in the hospital he looked like he was in his 70's but he was only 38. I hadn't seen him in one and one half years, and he had aged like 35 years since the last time i had seen him prior to him going in the hospital. He lived 500 miles from me, which is the reason for the lapse of time.
I told everyone on here it was a accident, but i Lied. I didn't want to admit the truth. But i can tell everyone on here He was not raised that way.
Here is the question, and he was my Son, and it hurts like hell, do you think that he did his children right? For his own priorities. I don't think so.
And i definitely don't condone Homosexuality.
And you want to talk about Human Rights.
I've said a many of times that Animals have much more sense then people do, in a lot of categories.
SO answer these questions, have you ever seen a Buck deer humping another buck? Have you ever seen anykind of a male bird, humping another male bird. And on and on. Last question have you, ever seen anykind of Pig, a Cow, a Moose, humping another Male? I can tell you i have lived in the country, and farming all of my life, and i have never seen this.
Which tells me Animals, have more sense then people, and to a certain degree, i respect them more.
Damn Chassie. I'm soo sorry for your family's pain.
I have a dear friend, I haven't seen in years cause he moved. If I called him today it would seem like we last spoke last week. He is gay. He told me when he was seven his parents asked him to play piano for some guests. He told me that he doesn't know why, he was only seven, he went into the kitchen and made a skirt out of a plastic trash bag and put it on before he went out to play.
Thanks News, but the really bad part is, i feel like i must of failed some where along the line, and at the same time, i feel like i failed my grandchildren to. If you can understand what i'm talking about its a snowball effect.
I can't put my finger, on it, and its driving me crazy. And then folks get on here and talk about it, that just makes it worst. I need to stay completely off of here.
Good night everyone, i'm going to watch some Clint Eastwood, they got a all night Eastwood Marathon on AMC, Sudden impact is coming on right now. No doo bee Amc, is not a stock symbol its a tv channel.
Chassie, I just logged on and wanted to say hello. I'm so sorry for all of your pain. I wish that I could type something or wave a majic wand and take your pain away but I know that I can't. I won't insult you with platitudes, I'll just say prayers for you. You are obviously a very good father and you love all of your kids - just like I love all of mine. Again, I wish you God's blessings.
I don't know if anyone else is here but with this thread at over 400 posts and me on dial up, it's taking way too long.
I'll be back when there is a new thread. Prayers to everyone.
Hey Mary, i wish you could to. Do you remember the song Daddy's Hands By Kathy Mattea. Well that is me. But my hands were not big enough!
Sally-* on November 8, 2008 at 08:55 PM
Now that's just silly. 90% of all Democrats want her to come back, too.
I was just watching the CBS New York feed and they were dedicating the refurbished Carrier Intrepid. It cost $65 million. bush is going to be in New York for veterans day. I wonder if he will be wearing his flight suit and have a "Mission accomplished" sign handy? I am also wondering who paid for it the rehab.
New York City is claiming poverty and bush is claiming that he is broke.
Why did we piss away that much money when bush has driven us into bankruptcy. And bush refuses to provide health care for children.
God we need a change. The sooner the better.
Chassie,
I told you how badly I felt when you told us your son died. It doesn't matter to me if he was black, homosexual, or a Republican. I still feel badly for you. You need to quit blaming yourself. He was a human being and no one wants anyone to suffer so in their last days.
A part of you died when he did. You just don't realize yet that this is what your are so angry about. Please seek some help dealing with your grief.
Check with your church or with a hospice organization. Most hospitals have affiliations with grief counseling services. There is help close at hand. Seek it out before the holiday season. You will be glad you did.
Others have gone through what you are going through now. You are not alone and others care.
Johne on November 8, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Johne,
The Intrepid is a symbol of some sort for Republicans? The entire Bush presidency was built on propaganda and photo opps.
You would think that Bush would better serve the memory of those who served on the Intrepid by visiting those rehabbing at Walter Reed...but then it has become a symbol of something else that the Republicans would rather forget.
We honor the dead best by honoring the living. Our troops want to serve their country not be patronized. I hope President Obama honors their professionalism by giving them the tools they need to do their job.
You do not fight a war with what you have. You prepare and equip your troops with the best officers, training and strategy.
I am happy that the Intrepid is again ready for battle. We may need it sooner than we think.
gregg on November 8, 2008 at 08:50 PM
You're not even making a dent with the troll, so please spare the rest us the latest from Alaska. I'd would rather hear the ravings of Man Coulter.
So how do you think the Republicans are faring at their summit this weekend? Is there any way they can attract young intellectuals to their Party after this latest disaster of a Bush presidency and McCain/Palin presidential campaign?
I assume they will try to adopt some of our agenda in an attempt to confuse the sheeple. Maybe they will go full blown Socialist?
mary,
I'm going to sign off, too. This thread is too long for all of us. I can't see my posts any longer. It's like talking to yourself.
Good night, all.
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SandyH on November 9, 2008 at 12:15 AM
They already did Sandy, with the financial institutions, the republican sheeple are too ignorant to know what socialism is.
gee i can't wait for those supreme court selections obama will make. should be good fun to watch the right wing lose it's mind over and over.
gee i wonder what happened to the bradley effect?
it is fun watching the mcbush and palin camps tear each other up. it will be more fun watching al franken win the recount....57-41 (figuring lieberman will have to caucus with the republicans and then cast votes against them to save his ass with his very liberal connecticut voters, hahahaha)...ouch! and then we have to settle georgia where the democrats will have difficulty but could win and alaska which is so fucked up no one knows what will happen....
gee senator johnson won re-election by 24%. didn't sally promise that he would lose??
i think sally's predictions are a bit flawed, perhaps his sampling methodology needs to be reviewed...i mean asking just his mothers drinking buddies does take in quite a few ex-convicts but maybe....
this is gonna be some fun!
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, November 9, 2008; Page A16
Transition advisers to President-elect Barack Obama have compiled a list of about 200 Bush administration actions and executive orders that could be swiftly undone to reverse White House policies on climate change, stem cell research, reproductive rights and other issues, according to congressional Democrats, campaign aides and experts working with the transition team...
frank rich:
"The festive scenes of liberation that Dick Cheney had once imagined for Iraq were finally taking place — in cities all over America."
Morning Gregg,
See how Silly Sally Stevie thinks the Republican party is going to go back to their old base of Gods, Guns, Gays, and Sarah Palin will be a shoe-in?
Guess what! REAL Republicans are admitting that those issues are no longer selling, and they have to get rid of them from their platform!
So that would mean Missy Sarah would be dropped like a hot potato from any consideration for President of this USA! Can you even imagine that dumb bimbo in the highest position? These Republican----voting with their little heads instead of their big ones!
No More 'Guns, God and Gays'
McKinney said the party must broaden its appeal to moderates, echoing an argument that some conservative thinkers make.
David Frum, the pragmatic author of "Comeback," the book Republicans display in Hartford, said the party no longer can rely on rallying working-class white voters with the trinity of "guns, God and gays."
Will the GOP pursue the growing numbers of college-educated voters who once helped elect Reagan in states such as Connecticut, Pennsylvania and California?
"To do so will involve painful change, on issues ranging from the environment to abortion," Frum wrote recently. "And it will involve potentially even more painful changes of style and tone: toward a future that is less overtly religious, less negligent with policy and less polarizing on social issues."
http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc-gop1109.artnov09,0,3084904.story?page=2&track=rss
(speaking of Religious freaks, isn't it LOL funny, that these trolls all quote the Bible, and what God and Jesus want? These same idiots who think God is not watching when they come in here with their hatred, their racism, their homophobia, their distain for a woman that is anything but subservient, their cyber stalking and abuse, and the fact that they just won't mind their own business and tend to their own tent, when it comes to living! I so can imagine what awaits them when they leave this life kicking and screaming !
That German troll should probably lay low for awhile. Germans will not tolerate his brand of Racism and anti-Semitism nor even homophobia I will bet!
BERLIN, Germany (AP) -- Chancellor Angela Merkel is calling on Germans to stand together against racism and anti-Semitism as the nation marks the 70th anniversary of the Nazi pogrom known as "Kristallnacht" or "Night of Broken Glass."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/11/09/germany.commemorate.ap/index.html
Well, Well, this is going to piss off the AZ troll. Joe the Plumber, their hero, was one of those "gimme guys". Yup, all those Republicans who thought he was so cool------your tax dollars went to supporting him. Wonder if he drove to the Welfare Office in his big old Cadillac? Pulled his lazy ass out of it, and went in and got his piece of your pie?
LMAO!!!! I don't want to hear anymore about Democrats and welfare! Not since Bill Clinton created the biggest Welfare reform bill ever made, AGAINST every Republican attempt to kill it!
Joe the Plumber, a recipient of Welfare: now that's a wingnut.
Who is a hypocrite and a liar.
Joe "the Plumber" Wurtzelbacher is the perfect symbol for right wing hypocrisy. The guy survived on welfare, a program designed to help the needy that right wingnuts don't like, but now says Obama is not loyal to our country because he wants to take our money and give it to needy people. I guess if it wasn't for welfare he wouldn't be littering our air waves. His 15 minutes are almost up.
Oh, his parents were recipient of that socialist program as well. TWICE. I am sure you were glad to use welfare, you hypocrite. Just make sure not to get back into that WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION program.
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977500983
(I find it fascinating that Danny knows so much about low-income housing, disability, workers comp permanent disability payouts, etc. Could it be that old man troll, is on government assistance himself? Is that all self-hatred coming out of his guts?)
Looks like the un-talented Sarah will have some REAL competition with REAL Republicans come next election!
"In serious conversations among Republicans since their election debacle Tuesday, what name is mentioned most often as the Moses, or Reagan, who could lead them out of the wilderness before 40 years?
To the consternation of many Republicans, it is none other than Newt Gingrich, the former speaker of the House.
Gingrich is far from a unanimous or even a consensus choice to run for president in 2012, but there is a strong feeling in Republican ranks that he is the only leader of their party who has shown the skill and energy to attempt a comeback quickly.
Gingrich appears to be consciously positioning himself as a possible savior. He has been working to shape the next generation of GOP foot soldiers in Congress, allegedly whipping up last-minute opposition to the financial bail-out package in September. NBC’s Mike Barnicle said that conservatives told him this event was “the opening salvo of Newt Gingrich’s presidential campaign four years hence,” although Gingrich has denied any such involvement. Gingrich even appeared as a “guest star” in the GOP energy protest over the summer, which conservatives considered “America’s greatest hour.”
be back after some breakfast, Dems..........
(our newspaper this morning had a big section with photos, articles, etc on the Election. Got me smiling all over again! Oh My, isn't it great! Bradley effect? Never happened one little tiny bit. LOL)
Chassie- I hope you see this and read this, it will be long.
First, I am very sorry for your loss. Losing a kid, no one should have to go throught that. Losing someone to AIDS, even worse. I DO know.
You said you raised your son better. Honest that is sad. My Dad hated gay people too. He ended up with 3 out of 9 kids being gay. Lucky for him he died young enough to never know, I guess.
We were raised strict Catholics. Parochial school even though we couldn't afford it. That meant Mass six times a week. Religious instruction five days a week. Raised better than to be who we are? You really don't choose who you are attracted to.
I was the youngest and the first one to come out. My friends knew. My Mom found out. I didn't tell my older sibs though. At 18, I was disowned -until I was needed. It was under a year so my sibs still didn't find out.
My brother was years older. He had been in the seminary. He had been engaged. He sat me down when I was 24 and started crying. I laughed when he told me he was gay. We ended up being really good friends.
He died 16 years ago from AIDS. It still makes me cry. Our oldest brother said the day we buried him- that he deserved it. That was the "religious" talk of the day.
None of my neices or nephews were gay. Frankly, I was happy about that. But now I have a great nephew whose favorite color is pink and wants to be a girl when he grows up. He is five. His parents are strict Catholics. They don't let him have the dolls he wants, but they will eventually realize that you can't change what you are. Sexual orientation is widely believed to be determined by age five.
Now, no matter how tired I am from fighting this battle for rights, I have no choice.
Sally-* on November 9, 2008 at 04:32 AM
All that inner breeding of conservatives has finally paid off. They have developed the perfect moron genes...and are passing them on for generations to come.
All that inner breeding of conservatives has finally paid off. They have developed the perfect moron genes...and are passing them on for generations to come.
476SandyH on November 9, 2008 at 10:27 AM
Sandy, watching Conservatives on morning TV, every one says the Party image must be changed, and brought back from the extreme right if they hope to ever recover moderate Republicans and Independents and Conservative Democrats! That means Palin will be told, "Stay in Alaska where as long as you keep paying off the people, they will vote for you"
BTW, good morning, everyone.
All the pundits are talking about Obama's bi-racial background and how it will shape his presidency.
I think his Hawaiian upbringing is far more telling. He accepts people the way they are and moves right past the prejudices that hold the rest of us back. I think a lot of folks are going to be truly surprised at how he will operate once in office.
He may be far more assertive with foreign affairs than it appears from the rhetoric of the campaign. I see him rapidly pushing to assimilate immigrants groups and gays into the fold rather than allowing the destructive debates to continue.
People around the globe immediately fixed on this inclusive trait. The Russians are worried. The emerging third world countries are excited. And the French are inspired. That's far more telling than anything else out there that the MSM and 24/7 pundits are saying.
While we here in America are still hung up on race and ideology, the rest of the world is looking toward Hawaii as the model for how Obama will govern.
He may be laid back in style, but Obama's focus is as sharp as a razer. He will act and he will act boldly once a decision is carefully made. He's going to take the powers that Bush grabbed from Congress and use them.
Be forewarned. This is going to be a period of great change in American politics...maybe not like anything we've seen since Andrew Jackson.
He want to elevate the middle class and he won't rest till he does.
He will turn the balance of power in the Middle East on its head. We will be free this nation of its dependence on fossil fuels in ten years just like he said he would. This will change everything.
We are no longer going to look at ourselves the same way we have since WW II. We are evolving as a nation and a people. The principles that our Founder's saw as key are now back into play. We are back on the right track.
Catch you all tomorrow. I'm going to catch up with my reading and get out and enjoy the brisk fall weather.
DEMS----A MUST SEE. ONLY TAKES A MINUTE BUT IS GREAT ! "DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU IN THE ASS, BUSHIE"
OH, and for those that think that Obama has to rule from the Center, NO HE DOES NOT>
Tuesday, Nov. 4, 2008, is a date that will live in fame (the opposite of infamy) forever. If the election of our first African-American president didn't stir you, if it didn't leave you teary-eyed and proud of your country, there's something wrong with you.
But will the election also mark a turning point in the actual substance of policy? Can Barack Obama really usher in a new era of progressive policies? Yes, he can.
Right now, many commentators are urging Mr. Obama to think small. Some make the case on political grounds: America, they say, is still a conservative country, and voters will punish Democrats if they move to the left. Others say that the financial and economic crisis leaves no room for action on, say, health care reform.
Let's hope that Mr. Obama has the good sense to ignore this advice.
http://www.truthout.org/110908Z
(Like JFK, be proud to be a liberal. Every good thing this country has for it's people has been provided by Democrats! )
Danny, Danny, you really should not try and be funny, you are not, especially when you steal your material from other trolls. 3/4 of what you post on here you take from other's comments.
YOU, helping in your community? Give me a freaken break. You are on here 24/7. You help no one but your own self. Your own kids and wife do not give a shit if you are around or not. GREED and HATE are your middle names.
you NEVER saw me or anyone else on here take a penney they did not earn. Unlike your heros, Joe the Plumber, Sarah Palin, McCain from Lobbyists, all leeches on the systems. You people all make me sick to death talking out of the hypocritical side of your mouths! Most of us here were intelligent and hard working enough to retire early, unlike you.
You are a laugh a minute, with your "I helped other people" bullcrap!
(Oh, and we wish our daughter could get pregnant again, but unfortunetly this first miracle birth gave complications that make that impossible. So stow it, you ugly pig. You only make yourself look the fool----not me!!!!!!)
Good read Dems.........
Conservative Wishful Thinking
by DemFromCT
Rich Lowry in a WaPo op-ed engages in one of the more thoughtful examples of Republican and conservative wishful thinking about the election, Sarah Palin and the future of the electorate. Most of the wishful thinking by other conservatives is just nonsense. The recognition of the electoral vote shellacking, the dancing in the streets all over the world over a Republican loss
The festive scenes of liberation that Dick Cheney had once imagined for Iraq were finally taking place — in cities all over America - Frank Rich
the refusal to appreciate the across the board nature of the win, and above all, the ignoring of the demographic shifts to come - both ethnic/racial and age-related - are all too common.
Lowry, the editor of National Review, at least recognizes that
Read any of the Abbreviated Pundit summaries to find confused conservatives claiming that the real problem is that conservatives aren't conservative enough, or that bogey man socialists progressives are going to overreach in the first hundred days and ruin the country while opening the door for conservatives to come roaring back by February
By the way, America is clearly a moderate country, not center-right.
Lowry's correct that conservatives have lost that moderate middle (Daily Kos is more reflective of the middle these days than National Review). Want more examples? Lowry and most conservatives say the personal attacks about Wright and Ayers were "fair game", just somehow not integrated early enough into the campaign. That's a concept soundly rejected by the voters, who thought McCain unfairly attacked, and way too much.
Give Lowry credit for understanding that McCain was a dunce who didn't understand his own policies.
But McCain didn't seem to have a firm grasp on his own plan, and the Obama campaign successfully distorted it as a huge new tax increase. Conservatives were outraged by many things during the election season, but Obama's dishonest and brutally effective attack on McCain's plan wasn't one of them. Even though it addresses a top public concern, health-care policy still doesn't move the right.
I guess that means compassionate conservatism, which never really existed, is dead. And the lack of addressing issues that Americans care about is why conservatives are wandering in the wilderness. And Sarah Palin will address these things as the new face of Republican conservatism? Seriously?
The best thing for conservatives to do is figure out, as Lowry has, that they were soundly trounced, and figure out how to rein in the loudmouth blowhards like Limbaugh, Hannity and O'Reilly. Not because free speech is threatened. Not because we are afraid of them. But because if they don't, they will be in permanent minority status with an aging regional base and diminishing prospects of returning to power.
What frustrates conservatives most is that character assassination (Ayers is "fair game" only to conservatives; to everyone else it's unserious and ineffective) can't mask policy failures and a lack of new ideas. It couldn't happen to a nicer party.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/9/8046/81705/50/657943
Like I said, Danny old boy, you make yourself look the fool---not me.
And your coming back in here says SO MUCH about you. The first thing I thought of Tuesday Night, 11:00PM, was your face when they announced Obama the winner. Your's and Silly Sally and MN thomas, and yes, even the German who must have stayed up for it! All crapping your pants and stomping your feet and emailing each other "the sky is falling, the sky is falling". "The Democrats won! Fair and Square! "
bwhwhhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. gasp, that was a wonderful picture!
(Maybe because I have been involved with my community and have volunteered my time for years in programs to help the needy.. Is it true they gave you free lunch at those soup kitchens? Did you give your wife and Mother extra when they went thru the line? LOL)
Good morning, afternoon. all!
The Sun-Times has a 32 page Special Section about Obama, and the Tribune has one too (with full page front pages of Obama's career from getting elected to the State House until Teusda).
My neighbor asked if I could give her the newspapers because she usually buys them on her way back from Church, and she said she tried the 7-11 and 2 gas stations and all of them were sold out by 8AM. She said one guy bought 75 Tribunes at the 7-11. They sold over 300 brfore 8AM.
I just got back from the store and I saw a line of about 50 people standing in front of the CVS so I asked someone if that was a line for Flu shots, and he said "Hell No! That's people waiting for the emergency shipment of papers to arrive". People are lined up on Michigan Avenue in front of Tribune Tower.
Now really, has there ever been a US Election where people started spontaneously dancing in the streets all over the world?
Chimpy is that bad and that much hated worldwide.
You know these are good times when,
Stevie Lloyd Thornburg from Hinckley MN and his "boyfriends" are here all the time.
Stevie Lloyd Thornburg from Hinckley MN who is posting under the name Sally and his "boyfriends" have no place to go because no woman would have anything to do with them.
How sad.
Ooops
I meant to say:
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BRADLEY EFFECT?
The Bradley effect was supposed to help mccain/palin:
At least that was according to
STEVIE LLOYD THORNBURG FROM HINKLEY MN WHO POSTS UNDER THE NAME SALLY
But of course trolls are always wrong about everything.
The trolls thought Obama wouldn't win.
But Obama won in a landslide and an electoral mandate.
You can take that to the bank.
sarah palin is a hairball
yyyyyyyyyaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh!
GOD BLESS PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
PRESIDENT BRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS PRO-AMERICA AND A PATROIOT
Oooops!
I meant to say:
PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS PRO-AMERICA AND A PATRIOT
The trolls spent all their time with negative campaigning and that actually helps the Democratic Party.
That is a good thing.
So STEVIE LLOYD THORNBURG FROM HINCKLEY MN WHO POSTS UNDER THE NAME SALLY and his "boyfriend" trolls....
.......can keep on saying negative things but that helps the Democratic Party
fantastic! now sally is praying that obama will turn into reagan. take that to the bank...hahahhaha
sally is in for years of disappointment...
I don't know about anyone else, but I am keeping a file of all the negative bad things of Sarah Palin for the next 4 years!
Sarah Palin Blamed by the US Secret Service Over Death Threats Against Barack Obama
by: Tim Shipman, The Telegraph UK
Sarah Palin's attacks on Barack Obama's patriotism provoked a spike in death threats against the future president, Secret Service agents revealed during the final weeks of the campaign.
The Republican vice presidential candidate attracted criticism for accusing Mr Obama of "palling around with terrorists", citing his association with the sixties radical William Ayers.
The attacks provoked a near lynch mob atmosphere at her rallies, with supporters yelling "terrorist" and "kill him" until the McCain campaign ordered her to tone down the rhetoric.
The revelations, contained in a Newsweek history of the campaign, are likely to further damage Mrs Palin's credentials as a future presidential candidate.
When is the last time you volunteered for a soup kitchen? or a food bank?
You might be very surprised at what I volunteer for. As well as supporting a child in Paraguay monthly, as well as buying school backpacks loaded with supplies every fall for a couple of town school kids, as well as adopting a welfare family for Christmas and buying presents for them all. Donating turkeys to the food bank, and bags of food to the local food pantry. I get a request from a charity daily, which I send something to every single one, no matter how small some may be. AND, I do not mind paying taxes so that the Elderly, the Children, the Disabled, the Veterans can be helped. And you go pour out a little soup and think you are doing something? typical Republican. Bet you think that $1 your wife gives weekly to the Church is a big help too.
No, you drive your daughter to the food bank in your New SUV, then when she comes out with a box, both of you get in it take what you want and throw the rest on the sidewalk and drive off.
Either prove it or shut your fat pie hole up! My daughter could buy and sell you! She makes more money annually than you made in your entire lifetime. You are white trash, Danny. Always have been, always will be! Typical Republican with your talk about how YOU help the poor in other ways! HA! Greedy selfish slob.
Ah, poor Palin, the price of oil is sinking, which is good for America! Oh, but not so good for that other country, Alaska. Their budget is going into deficit territory because they can't boost the price of crude.
PALIN WILL BE LOOKING FOR OPEC, COUNTRIES LIKE IRAN, SAUDI ARABIA AND OTHER COUNTRIES LIKE VENEZUELA AND RUSSIA TO CUT PRODUCTION AND RAISE OIL PRICES TO SAVE ALASKA'S DEPENDENT ECONOMY. WHEN IRAN'S ECONOMY GOES INTO THE TANK, IT'LL TAKE ALASKA WITH IT!!!
Guess Palin isn't that popular with her republican base for calling on Ted Stevens to resign; a clever campaign ploy but she'd be cutting off their biggest earmark sugar daddy.
And she isn't that popular with democrats either for attacking them on the Troopergate investigation and the outrageous campaign rhetoric right out of the Limbaugh/Hannity play book.
Have we seen the last of Palin? You betcha! Nothing short of an IQ transplant will bring her back to political life in the lower 48!!
511GREGG ON NOVEMBER 9, 2008 AT 02:42 PM
The republicans and the trolls and:
STEVIE LLOYD THORNBURG FROM HINKLEY MN WHO IS POSTING UNDER THE NAME SALLY
are in for years of dissapointment.
They are already "FUMING" mad.
Everyone can tell by all of their posts how "FUMING" angry the extreme right trolls are.
It is funny to see them get angry.
sarah palin is hillarious.
sarah palin was easily fooled by a canadian disc jockey who pretended to be President of France.
sarah palin is gullible and naive.
Someone who is as gullible and naive as sarah "MOOSE FACE" palin should be the face of the republican party........
.......republicans are gullible and naive.
The trolls attack the other bloggers because they are "FUMING" mad that they lost in the election.
Everyone believes that the republicans are falling apart.
These are the same people who predicted that PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA would win.
STEVIE LLOYD THORNBURG FROM HINKLEY MN WHO IS A TROLL THAT POSTS UNDER THE NAME SALLY is 'FUMING" mad and his boyfriend trolls are mad too.
NOTICE how the trolls attack all the bloggers.
The republicans have no agenda.
The republicans have no ideas.
it's almost as if sally might be a sore loser...but that couldn't be the case could it??
perhaps a trip down memory lane would be helpful...
"But it is good to start setting up your excuses ahead of time because it is beginning to look like the Republicans are going to win this election too.
Posted by FrostyMacCowpie on October 27, 2006 at 12:34 AM"
"The Republicans will hold a 4 seat advantage in both the House and the Senate.
That prediction may change again but one thing is certain - it will not be a blowout year for either side.
Posted by FrostyPumpkins on November 2, 2006 at 03:21 AM
"The democrats will lose in '08. They lied to make it in the '06 election and their campaign of doom and gloom will cost them in '08. America votes for winners not WHINERS.
Posted by D_Cactus_Weekend on November 9, 2007 at 08:38 PM"
"If you take the average of the 3 top polls, Hussein Obama's lead is now only 3.7 points. If you consider that is virtually within the margin of error and subtract the Bradley effect, it is shaping up to be a McCain landslide.
188
Sally-* on October 18, 2008 at 10:54 PM"
yes i guess it hasn't gone well for ms. sally and her predictions this past few years. so very sad....sally just can't feel glad...and wait for the upcoming supreme court appointments...boy that is gonna be a real heartbreaker....
silly little troll is now hoping that obama will turn out to be the reincarnation of ronald reagan...who i assume is still dead? funny that the trolls can't accept that their asses got kicked up and down the road from florida to carolina to maine to indiana and on and on ....and as for that turn to the right they figure obama will make here is some news from the reality based community:
"(CNN) -- The head of President-elect Barack Obama's transition team said Sunday that the incoming administration is conducting an extensive review of President Bush's executive orders.
Asked about reports that the transition team already has identified a number of areas where Obama could issue executive orders as soon as he takes office, John Podesta said he would not "preview decisions that [Obama] has yet to make."
"I would say that as a candidate, Sen. Obama said that he wanted all the Bush executive orders reviewed and decide which ones should be kept and which ones should be repealed and which ones should be amended, and that process is going on. It's been undertaken," Podesta said Sunday on "Fox News."
Podesta pointed out that there is a lot the president can do without waiting for Congress, and voters can expect to see Obama do so to try and restore "a sense that the country is working on behalf of the common good."
"I think that we're looking at -- again, in virtually every agency to see where we can move forward, whether that's on energy transformation, on improving health care, on stem cell research," he said.
Podesta, chief of staff under President Clinton, is president and CEO of the Center for American Progress, a left-leaning think tank that he founded.
Podesta said Sunday that preparations for Obama's transition have been in the works since early August..."
my, my that is so unfair....the obama folk were planning their moves way back in august before fetchin sarah even got on the scene to save the day for mccain! talk about arrogance! i mean why couldn't they be more like the bushies who played with themselves until the world trade center got attacked that first year in office and then stumbled about like a bunch of heifers infected with mad cow disease....?
it used to be that dealing with the trolls was like shooting fish in a barrel....it still is but now the barrel is drained of water and the trolls just lay there on the bottom hoping someone will take the time to put them out of their misery.
i am encouraged that the trolls feel so good about obama being elected. i guess we can all just be friends after all.
Greg
I agree. Now that Obama is in charge the trolls are eventually going to have to admit that they were wrong.
STEVIE LLOYD THORNBURG FROM HINKCLEY MN WHO IS POSTING AS SALLY and the other trolls cannot tell lies about Obama because no one will believe them.
REMEMBER THAT TIME.......
STEVIE LLOYD THORNBURG
Everyone knew he was lying because he spent all of his time with his troll "boyfriends" on the internet "falsely accusing" others of being homosexual.
He still does that.
Some of the bloggers are starting believe that he is really "in the closet" and that is why he is so angry all the time.
The trolls are always angry because the republicans and the extreme right keep losing elections.
sally you are such an optimist. it is a pleasure to watch you spin silk from despair. god bless you demented little brain.
STEVIE LLOYD THORNBURG FROM HINCKLEY MN.......
......is always spreading lies about other bloggers.
He once said hd had a "girlfriend" but that turned out to be untrue.
Stevie, who posts as Sally, can't get along with women, that is why he is all alone and angry all the time.
Everyone knows that.....
STEVIE LLOYD THORNBURG FROM HINCKLEY MN WHO IS POSTING UNDER THE NAME SALLY
spends all of his lonely nights posting on this blog because he can't find a woman to love him.
I feel sorry for him.
Some people think he is "latent" and "in the closet" and that is why he is angry all the time.
PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS PRO-AMERICA AND A PATRIOT
it used to be that dealing with the trolls was like shooting fish in a barrel....it still is but now the barrel is drained of water and the trolls just lay there on the bottom hoping someone will take the time to put them out of their misery.
531gregg on November 9, 2008 at 03:47 PM
It IS just like shooting fish in a barrel now, isn't it, Gregg. I get such great satisfaction out of knowing how their bowels are twisted into tight knots and they are kicking the kids and the cats every time they go by !
We WON, They LOST. What greater satisfaction can be given?
I see MN Thomass is also back under another assumed name. You can smell his arrogance before you even see him. this smell-o-vision monitor is not all it is cracked up to be!
I often wonder how his boss at TORO would think of him, should he see each and every post. I shall keep them and maybe someday decide to mail off a package to the company. they know exactly how I mean, when I mentioned 55 year old, arrogant guy name of Thomas!
I am in and out today. My daughter has a bad cold, so I am trying to babysit too.
pam, i think the thing that impresses me most is how well the trolls represent their christian faith here. they are so pious and full of grace. or is it pitiful and full of shit...?
I'm glad Obama is going to undue all of the bad executive orders bush did. Seeing how he knocked out the election, can you believe a black man with the name Barack Hussain Obama won! Know he is going to reverse the dictator bush's executive orders. I bet he makes short work of it.
God I love this guy.
Tomorrow Barack and Michelle will be checking out their new living quarters at the White House. If Barack expects intelligent conversation with bush, he better be prepared to be disappointed. The man is a loon.
pam, i think the thing that impresses me most is how well the trolls represent their christian faith here. they are so pious and full of grace. or is it pitiful and full of shit...?
551gregg on November 9, 2008 at 05:52 PM
I cannot believe the gall of these guys trying to act all like family valued, moral, Christians.
What a farce. Posting psalms from the Bible, saying "God Bless" when signing off! WHO do they think they are kidding?? Not us!! Not GOD!! So who?????
How they must have cursed God on tuesday night, as they watched first PA and then every other state fall for Obama!!! Even the little German man must have stayed up past his bedtime hoping for McCain!
Not a one of them dared to come in here, to say "OBAMA IS MY DADDY!" or "Good Luck to President Obama, I shall try and help him save this country all I can". "I am glad President Obama will get our troops out of harm's way in this illegal Iraqi occupation"!
Oh well, what do you expect from a group of middle aged and Elderly sour grape Republican wing nuts!!
Good ole Al Gore. I pray that Obama names him as head of some dept to fix this Terrible Global Warming problem!!
The Climate for Change
»
by: Al Gore, The New York Times
The inspiring and transformative choice by the American people to elect Barack Obama as our 44th president lays the foundation for another fateful choice that he - and we - must make this January to begin an emergency rescue of human civilization from the imminent and rapidly growing threat posed by the climate crisis
http://www.truthout.org/110908A
(I saw where Howard Dean indicated an interest in being head of Health & Human Services to work on Health Care. I hope that Obama chooses him. He is a Doctor, too)
I CAN'T WAIT !!!!! THE DICTATORSHIP IS COMING TO AN END!!
Obama Positioned to Quickly Reverse Bush Actions
»
by: Ceci Connolly and R. Jeffrey Smith, The Washington Post
Stem cell, climate rules among targets of President-Elect's team.
Transition advisers to President-elect Barack Obama have compiled a list of about 200 Bush administration actions and executive orders that could be swiftly undone to reverse White House policies on climate change, stem cell research, reproductive rights and other issues, according to congressional Democrats, campaign aides and experts working with the transition team.
A team of four dozen advisers, working for months in virtual solitude, set out to identify regulatory and policy changes Obama could implement soon after his inauguration. The team is now consulting with liberal advocacy groups, Capitol Hill staffers and potential agency chiefs to prioritize those they regard as the most onerous or ideologically offensive, said a top transition official who was not permitted to speak on the record about the inner workings of the transition.
here's the link in case you want to read more what Obama plans to do:
It Still Felt Good the Morning After
»
by: Frank Rich, The New York Times
On the morning after a black man won the White House, America's tears of catharsis gave way to unadulterated joy.
Our nation was still in the same ditch it had been the day before, but the atmosphere was giddy. We felt good not only because we had breached a racial barrier as old as the Republic. Dawn also brought the realization that we were at last emerging from an abusive relationship with our country's 21st-century leaders. The festive scenes of liberation that Dick Cheney had once imagined for Iraq were finally taking place - in cities all over America.
For eight years, we've been told by those in power that we are small, bigoted and stupid - easily divided and easily frightened. This was the toxic catechism of Bush-Rove politics. It was the soiled banner picked up by the sad McCain campaign, and it was often abetted by an amen corner in the dominant news media. We heard this slander of America so often that we all started to believe it, liberals most certainly included. If I had a dollar for every Democrat who told me there was no way that Americans would ever turn against the war in Iraq or definitively reject Bush governance or elect a black man named Barack Hussein Obama president, I could almost start to recoup my 401(k). Few wanted to take yes for an answer.
So let's be blunt. Almost every assumption about America that was taken as a given by our political culture on Tuesday morning was proved wrong by Tuesday night.
so who is the terrorist after all? why sister sarah seems to have gotten her white supremacist friends all hot and bothered...kinda like the effect she has on ms. sally....
Palin blamed for Obama attacks
Updated 4 hr(s) 29 min(s) ago
The US Secret Service has blamed Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin for the death threats against president-elect Barack Obama.
According to the agents, Palin’s repeated questioning of Obama’s patriotism sparked off the death threats from white supremacists.
According to The Telegraph of London, Palin attracted criticism for accusing Obama of "palling around with terrorists", citing his association with the 1960s radical William Ayers.
In actual sense, the only thing that Ayers, now a university professor in Chicago, shared with Obama is that they both sat on a school board. Ayers’s subversive activities were reported in the 1960s when Obama was a toddler.
Incidentally, Palin prematurely launched the first Ayers attack even without the approval of Republican presidential candidate John McCain’s team.
The attacks provoked a near lynch mob atmosphere at her rallies, with supporters yelling "terrorist" and "kill him" at Obama until the McCain campaign ordered her to tone down the rhetoric.
But it has now emerged that her demagogic tone may have unintentionally encouraged white supremacists to go even further.
The Secret Service warned the Obama family last month that they had seen a dramatic increase in the number of threats against the Democratic candidate, coinciding with Palin’s attacks...
Oh, I am counting down the days till the 2012 election cycle starts. I have a hefty file on Palin already going. I shall keep close track of Jindahl too.
"The same commentators who dismissed every conceivable American demographic as racist, lazy or both got Sarah Palin wrong too. When she made her debut in St. Paul, the punditocracy was nearly uniform in declaring her selection a brilliant coup. There hadn't been so much instant over-the-top praise by the press for a cynical political stunt since President Bush ‛landed' a jet on the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln in that short-lived triumph ‛Mission Accomplished.'
The rave reviews for Palin were completely disingenuous. Anyone paying attention (with the possible exception of John McCain) could see she was woefully ill-equipped to serve half-a-heartbeat away from the presidency. The conservatives Peggy Noonan and Mike Murphy said so on MSNBC when they didn't know their mikes were on. But, hey, she was a dazzling TV presence, the thinking went, so surely doltish Americans would rally around her anyway. ‛She killed!' cheered Noonan about the vice-presidential debate, revising her opinion upward and marveling at Palin's gift for talking ‛over the heads of the media straight to the people.' Many talking heads thought she tied or beat Joe Biden.
The people, however, were reaching a less charitable conclusion and were well ahead of the Beltway curve in fleeing Palin. Only after polls confirmed that she was costing McCain votes did conventional wisdom in Washington finally change, demoting her from Republican savior to scapegoat overnight.
But Palin's appeal wasn't overestimated only because of her kitschy ‛American Idol' star quality. Her fierce embrace of the old Karl Rove wedge politics, the divisive pitting of the ‛real America' against the secular ‛other' America, was also regarded as a sure-fire winner. The second most persistent assumption by both pundits and the McCain campaign this year - after the likely triumph of racism - was that the culture war battlegrounds from 2000 and 2004 would remain intact.
from that same story above, "It still felt good the next morning".
Here are those US Senators up for Re-election in 2011. They will start the year before of course, so pick out a Repug, and be prepared to help his Democratic opponent. We can do this folks. Let's hit way over 60 seat this next time!
Senators of the 110th Congress
Evan Bayh D-IN
131 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-5623
Web Form: bayh.senate.gov/contact/email/
Bennett, Robert F.- (R - UT) Class III
431 DIRKSEN SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-5444
Web Form: bennett.senate.gov/contact/emailmain.html
Bond, Christopher S.- (R - MO) Class III
274 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-5721
Web Form: bond.senate.gov/contact/contactme.cfm
Boxer, Barbara- (D - CA) Class III
112 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-3553
Web Form: boxer.senate.gov/contact
Brownback, Sam- (R - KS) Class III
303 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-6521
Web Form: brownback.senate.gov/CMEmailMe.cfm
Bunning, Jim- (R - KY) Class III
316 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-4343
Web Form: bunning.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.Co...
Burr, Richard- (R - NC) Class III
217 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-3154
Web Form: burr.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.Home
Coburn, Tom- (R - OK) Class III
172 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-5754
Web Form: coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactSena...
Crapo, Mike- (R - ID) Class III
239 DIRKSEN SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-6142
Web Form: crapo.senate.gov/contact/email.cfm
DeMint, Jim- (R - SC) Class III
340 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-6121
Web Form: demint.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.Home
Dodd, Christopher J.- (D - CT) Class III
448 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-2823
Web Form: dodd.senate.gov/index.php?q=node/3130
Dorgan, Byron L.- (D - ND) Class III
322 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-2551
E-mail: senator@dorgan.senate.gov
Feingold, Russell D.- (D - WI) Class III
506 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-5323
Web Form: feingold.senate.gov/contact_opinion.html
Grassley, Chuck- (R - IA) Class III
135 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-3744
Web Form: grassley.senate.gov/contact.cfm#emailform
Gregg, Judd- (R - NH) Class III
393 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-3324
Web Form: gregg.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.Cont...
Inouye, Daniel K.- (D - HI) Class III
722 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-3934
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Gregg, let's see how long this lasts!!
Cantor: GOP stands ready to work with Obama
By Klaus Marre
Posted: 11/09/08 11:11 AM [ET]
Rep. Eric Cantor (Va.), who is poised to become minority whip, said Sunday that the House GOP wants to work with President-elect Barack Obama to fix the nation’s problems.
“If you look at the roiling global financial situation, if you look at the fact that much of this country distrusts its government, if you look at the fact that we’re still fighting in two wars, I think that the Republicans in Congress will stand ready to work with this new president,” Cantor said on “Fox News Sunday.”
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/cantor-gop-stands-ready-to-work-with-obama-2008-11-09.html
pam, the democrats defend 15 seats and the pelicans 19. i would think that vitter, specter, voinovich, thune, judd, grassley and bunning are all good targets for defeat.
i also think palin will fade from the scene. the pelicans are going to have to put the christian nut wing of their party in check or they will be a minority for a very long time. i look to see romney move up and for the "culture" issues to take a back seat...if not its clear sailing for us as far as the eye can see....
Presidents who have governed from the left have been some of our biggest failures. Obama will govern right of center. Forget about undoing Bush - it ain't gonna happen.
564Sally-* on November 9, 2008 at 07:42 PM
Now tell me, Stevie ole man. when I file this, is it to be under PREDICTIONS, or TAUNTS?
Or do they only become Taunts when you are proven full of shit???????
You really have to be one of the stupidiest men alive, Danny! I purposely leave the author of my articles now, because you have such a hard time trying to figure out who they are by. Greg's article says 'THE SECRET SERVICE BLAMES PALIN" wHAT PART OF THAT DID YOU MISS???
AND STEVIE OLD MAN, IN 2011, IS WHEN THOSE WHO ARE DEFEATED IN THE 2010 ELECTION TAKE THEIR NEW SENATE SEATS! DID THAT CONFUSE YOU, ? I FORGOT I HAVE TO TALK SLOW AND INTO YOUR GOOD EAR FOR YOU TO COMPREHEND WHAT IS GOING ON.
I SHALL BE SO SO HAPPY TO SEE OBAMA IN THE WHITE HOUSE TOMORROW. WATCH BUSH'S FACE. WHEN HE FEELS STUPID, HIS EYES GET CROSSED. SERIOUSLY, WATCH HIM. AND I HOPE THEY SHOW LAURA SHOWING MICHELLE WHERE SHE, LAURA SLEEPS, AS COMPARED TO WHERE THE CHIMP PASSES OUT ! AND THAT HE HAS NOT BROKEN TOO MANY OF THE GOOD DISHES WHILE EATING WITH HIS FINGERS!
nothing you have ever said, has been taken as true, as your credibility was killed the first day you came in under Marge Hanson with filthy dead babies attached toyour name. We learned everything we needed to know at that time. Sick and pitiful.
I AM STILL WAITING TO HEAR YOU AND DANNY AND MN THOMASS ANSWER THE ALL IMPORTANT QUESTION!!!
WHO'S YOUR DADDY, BOYZ?????
COME ON, YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TO SAY IT. LET'S HEAR IT! YOU CAN DO IT!!!!!!
LMAO! AFTER ALL YOUR BULLSHIT, YOU HAVE TO EAT CROW EVERY TIME YOU TUNE IN HERE. THERE IS NO FOOL LIKE OLD FOOLS !!!
Good night, Dems. I shall head out early and just chill with my family. Wish the trolls had one.
blog ya tomorrow.........
When Obama does the New Deal it is important when they hire contractors to re-build bridges and roads that it is required that US citizens, displaced by jobs overseas, get these jobs. There has to be a program of oversight making sure the workers are paid a payroll, not contract, wage.
This way, US citizens will pay taxes on their income from those jobs. It would be an insult to every american to see illegals getting the jobs from the contractors.
Voinovich, George V.- (R - OH) Class III
561PamB on November 9, 2008 at 07:38 PM
hiya, bold. We'll work on that here.
I sent you a couple of pix from the baby shower.
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-obama-churches,0,2035599.story
At church services nationwide, black Christians ponder the meaning of Obama's election
http://news.sbs.com.au/worldnewsaustralia/39extraordinary_man_for_extraordinary_times39__562097
'Extraordinary man for extraordinary times'
In the days since Barack Obama won an historic victory in the United States' presidential election, the world has presented him with a to-do list of astonishing proportions.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081109/ap_on_el_ge/blue_new_england
GOP a dying breed in New England
A generation ago the Republican Party was the dominant political force in New England, populating the region's congressional delegations with moderates like Connecticut's Lowell P. Weicker Jr. and Rhode Island's John Chafee.
http://www.fresnobee.com/384/story/998634.html
Nevada GOP leader urges party to change
Veteran state Sen. Bill Raggio, one of Nevada's most influential Republicans, is urging his party to move away from the extreme right after the state swung sharply to Democrats this year.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15455.html
Dems get new crop of military voters
An interesting subtext to John McCain’s defeat last week is what it means for the future of the Republican Party with respect to veterans and military voters. With McCain facing a diminished role in the GOP, and Chuck Hagel retiring from the Senate, there are few prominent Republican leaders left with military bona fides. This is in stark contrast to the Democratic Party, which has seen the emergence of a new generation of veteran leaders.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/09/the-senate-majority-leader-on-stevens/
Senate Majority Leader on Stevens
Isaiah 1:18
'Come now, let us reason together,' says the Lord. 'Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool.'
Thoughts on today's verse
Nothing stains quite like sin. It not only leaves a stain in our heart but a residue in our minds. But God's grace is shown in that he doesn't just forgive our sins, he doesn't just forget our sins, he banishes them. They are gone. The stain is removed, the guilt is taken away. We are clean by his grace.
Enjoy the evening, everyone.
It sure would be nice to
a) have a blog that you could actually sign on to without walking over burning coals and
b) where we got a new thread every now and then.
This is too frustrating. I give up.
I will never, as long as I love, give one red cent to the DNC ever again. I will contribute to individual campaigns but never another cent to the DNC.
They never answer an email, never help with signing on and ignore request after request for new threads.
I keep hearing how use of the internet helped President Elect Obama - well it sure couldn't have been this blog!
Too FRUSTRATING!
468gregg on November 9, 2008 at 08:14 AM The festive scenes of liberation that Dick Cheney had once imagined for Iraq were finally taking place — in cities all over America.
Too funny, GregG :) Thanks for posting Frank Rich - that's right on.
FreeRepublic Calls for Boycott of Fox
They are incensed at FOX for discussing the rumors about their beloved Sarah Palin's shopping sprees, incredible geographical ignorance, and especially that totally inappropriate, nothing-but-a-bath-towel performance in front of her campaign staff.
This boycott of Fox thing should be a big warning that if the radical right goes any further left it will join the radical left.
More quotes from FreeRepublic
We need a new tv news channel that is completely conservative. We have the talent. Rush, Ingraham, Levin, Hannity, Beck, Boortz, and others. Until then, I am cancelling cable.
I watch the Weather Channel often - to actually get the weather - but they are very liberal and promote “climate change” as part of their agenda. Be warned.
With all the stories about people doing happy dances in the street and smiling on the subways after Barack Obama won, we have overlooked the dark side of the postelection mood
...
The Republicans are being way more nasty to Sarah Palin than the Democrats are to Lieberman. They’ve been portraying her as both a shopaholic and a woman who walks around in nothing but a bath towel, a hillbilly who’s also a prima donna. The leakathon climaxed this week when Fox News’s Carl Cameron announced that Palin did not know that Africa was a continent.
Palin says this is untrue. But the worst part is that if these people get any meaner, we’re going to wind up feeling sorry for her. This is not something we are looking forward to, Republicans, and we will resent you for it.
599Sally-* on November 10, 2008 at 12:44 AM There used to be a channel like that run by Paul Weirich (sp) then he sold it and the new guy ran it into the ground.
I think you mean Weyrich - I can't spell the German names either - they all sound alike - Weirich was a Mathematican I think.
Interesting Weyrich sold it. I'm just familar with his influence at the beginning - not sure what happened to him after that.
600Sally-* on November 10, 2008 at 12:49 AM The liberal Republicans are upset with Sarah cause they no their time ended with McCain. Conservatives, who will now control the party, are delighted with Sarah. All the criticism of Sarah is coming from liberal or moderate (same thing) Republicans and McCain was their last hurrah - they are heading for the last roundup
You're right on that for the most part, Sally - though they don't call themselves "liberal" - and it's not a done deal yet.
But it has the potential to turn out much like the alignment that took place in 1912 - the last time the "liberal" Republicans bolted - which led to a generation of Democratic majority.
Whether it does or not is up to you - and how willing you are to compromise.
It's morning in America
On the Pulse of the Morning
Here on the pulse of this new day
You may have the grace to look up and out
And into your sister's eyes, into
Your brother's face, your country
And say simply
Very simply
With hope
Good morning.
I hope the conservatives and the extreme right take over the republican party.
The republican party is suffering two humiliating defeats in the midterm 06 election and now in 08 with the conservatives and the extreme right in charge.
If they keep it up the republican party will go bankrupt.
sarah palin didn't even know that Africa was a continent and not a country
sarah palin is gullible and naive. sarah palin was easily fooled by a canadian disc jockey who pretended to be the president of France.
sarah palin should be the face of the republican party because she is gullible and naive.
PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS PRO-AMERICA AND A PATRIOT
Some interesting quotes from Paul Weyrich
We have to stop the movement of all our manufacturing to China and other foreign countries. If that requires tariffs, starting with tariffs to protect industries of strategic importance, so be it.
"If we want to stop or at least reduce outsourcing of jobs to foreign countries, we should tax outsourcing. In my view, that would be a good new tax."
Christ was crucified by the Jews.... He was not what the Jews had expected so they considered Him a threat. Thus He was put to death.", Indeed, He is Risen!, April 13, 2001
What a tangled web we weave.
Weyrich is also an advocate of mass transit and rail transportation. He is an ordained protodeacon in the Melkite Greek Catholic Church. Weyrich is a regular columnist for NewsMax and The Washington Times.
Hi everyone,
I read the post a few down about the little girl who was picked on in school and the child that said Obama would close the churches. Tearjerker there. Wait until the people that believe this see that it is not true when it never happens, they will realize they are being lied to and hopefully will not be manipulated by fearmongering anymore. I wonder who tells them these things, do people like Limbaugh and Hannity drop these hints in order to manipulate them when those two know very well that this nonsense will never happen?
The best strategy on the abortion issue is one that is fair. IMO we need to be honest and say look, we are pro-choice but we too want to make it rare. We need to work together for that to happen. I am against third-term abortion unless there is death/serious harm to mother or the infant has very serious problems and will die after living briefly (and suffering). I do think it is okay for the government to monitor that. I worry that abortion is being made too big an issue by both sides, in other words there are "extreme" groups on both sides and IMO they cannot be allowed to lead the entire party on what the stance on abortion will be--and that goes for both sides. I wish Repubs would stand up to their extremists and tell them this is not the number one issue and the whole party does not need to adopt their stance--let it be legal, monitor third-term closely and work hard to stop unwanted pregnancy.
Why is it so hard for us as people to get where we need to be on this?
HAHA
Sally admits he is a crossdresser?
Wow, Stevie Lloyd Thornburg from Hinckley MN is finally coming out of the closet.
Good for you.
But I'm not your type so don't ask me out on a date.
HAHA
I wonder why conservative commentators aren't really conservatives these days. The days where we heard people debating ideology seem to be passing and we see pundits and critics who are more about pushing their party's line instead of ideology.
When Limbaugh and Hannity blindly defended the Bush Administration no matter what, I wondered if they understood that they were more Republicans than conservatives. And what is a Republican right now? Big-government/totalitarian types.
We need to educate people as to what the definitions of words are. Myself, I am quite to the left/social democrat. But who could possibly deny some truths to "real" conservative ideas, like avoiding wasteful spending? Did anyone notice how much this administration spent? Not conservative, right?
615GEENA ON NOVEMBER 10, 2008 AT 03:41 AM
The pro-choice issue is really simple.
If a woman wasn't able by constitutional law to make a decision in regards to her own body that would open a pandora's box for civil liberties.
Pro-lifers don't see that because they are too wrapped up in legislating their religious beliefs.
Roe-v Wade will never be overturned because it isn't based on abortion but rather the right to privacy between a medical physician and the patient.
If it were to be overturned the consequences would be devastating to civil liberties.
Even libertarians secretly want Roe v Wade to stand because taking away a woman's right to choose would drastically change how the constitution is interpreted.
Geena,
Extreme right talk show hosts such as Limballs and Hannity, neo-cons and modern day repubicans aren't less conservative than the hippies from the 1960's.
They are partisan political party loyalists.
The repubican party is taken over by extreme loyalists.
GEENA,
Take the extreme right troll blogger who is posting under the name Sally.
This troll will say anything to promote the republican party.
This troll will boldface lie and say untrue things about any blogger who doesn't support the republican party agenda.
This troll will "stay the course".
This troll has admitted he is a cross-dresser and his name is:
STEVIE LLOYD THORNBURG FROM HINCKLEY MN
Geena,
Now Sally is saying that Limpballs and Hannity were "mavericks" who fought against bush.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
No, those two will jump off a cliff for bush.
They stopped supporting bush when they realized that mccain/palin were goners if bush even showed his face in public during the campaign.
But two years ago before the midterm, republicans were all saying "Stay the Course".
And now we know how that ended up.
Now Sally is listing phone numbers and maps of the bloggers here who don't support the republican party.
You would never see me do that.
(heh heh heh)
The troll tells lies just like limpballs and hannity.
Nothing the troll says can be believed.
He will even post addresses and phone numbers of bloggers who post here.
You will never see me do that.
(heh heh heh)
One final comment--sorry to be posting so much, last one. Above, there was a post about the Republicans and how now they are going to push libertarianism. Interesting, yet again think about ideology. There are some truths to all ideologys, that is why we need to work together and find common ground. Who could possibly disagree with the notion of civil liberties and rights? The problem is when it becomes too extreme. They are going to adopt a strategy where they push libertarianism by manipulating the public on notions of freedoms and rights....people need to be educated. Yes it is American to defend rights, but we need to remember that it is also American to help one another. Both can fit together. I worry that the avg American is going to hear the argument about rights and think it sounds fair without realizing that libertarian fundamentalism is what brought us our unregulated economy. And our big government Patriot Act was not libertarian, but they could sell it as such.
We need to watch libertarian fundamentalism, totalitarianism, and *ultra*-conservative ideology
The troll thinks I'm some guy named Robert from NJ.
He even thinks we won some war.
I know we won WWII because of FDR who by the way is a Democrat.
And of course Hoover was a republican who messed up the country.
Just like now.
bush 41 messed up the country and Clinton cleaned it up.
bush 43 messed up the country and Obama is now going to have to clean it up.
Every night you will see the lonely troll blogging away because he has no friends.
The lonely troll once told everyone he had a girlfriend from Niagara Falls.
No one believed him but we just humored the lonely old troll anyway.
(heh heh heh)
We need to watch libertarian fundamentalism, totalitarianism, and *ultra*-conservative ideology
632GEENA ON NOVEMBER 10, 2008 AT 04:11 AM
YAY GEENA
Sally admitted he is a crossdresser and......
sarah palin is a hairball.......
yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhh!
PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS PRO-AMERICAN AND A PATRIOT
Sally's code word for "cross-dressing boyfriends" is associates.
Whenever Sally says associates he is trying to indiscreetly tell us about his "cross-dressing boyfriends".
(heh heh heh)
I see what you are saying about the civil liberties issue with abortion. Yes, I do think it needs to be supported because of civil liberties and I hope the Repub people/voters will see that even if they do not like it, we need to keep it legal because America is a nation based upon notions of civil liberties.
If we get to that point together where we both agree with that perspective, hopefully we can move on together.
I'm sorry.
I can't help making fun of the troll.
Stevie Lloyd Thornburg from Hinkley MN is just so easy to manipulate.
All this time his extreme rants help display how the republicans mislead it's supporters.
And Sally who is really Stevie Lloyd Thornburg from Hinkley MN is the perfect example.
646GEENA ON NOVEMBER 10, 2008 AT 04:27 AM
I agree.
A lot of males even understand that the right to choose affects them in Roe v Wade.
Another tactic the extreme right uses is the "pro-abortion" fallacy.
The extreme right believes that Pro-Choicers are really "pro-abortion".
No one wants abortions.
No one wants unwanted pregnancies.
That is something that we all agree on but it is not mainstream.
Roe v Wade is about choice and privacy.
Technically, Roe v Wade is not just about abortion.
You can even say that abortion is just part of the issue.
It becomes more complex when you add in the Planned Parenthood issue.
I also believe that the abortion issue was a political promise made by the republican party to secure a demographic voting block.
The republicans don't care about the abortion issue anymore than they care about family values.
The abortion issue is very much the same as the immigration issue.
They are political wedge issues that the republican party traditionally relied on to secure votes in a close election.
The republican party has become a laughing stock just like the trolls on this blog.
Ok,
I see I got Sally's "panties" in a bunch.
Poor Sally has no one who loves him.
Esmerelda used to stick up for him but she doesn't anymore.
If Sally were a real "MAN" he would just say he is sorry and admit that he has been brainwashed by the republican party.
Hey Steve,
You are starting to lose your sanity.
I'm not some guy named Robert in New Jersey.
Hey Steve,
Your losing your sanity.
Barack Obama will not raise your taxes if you make less than 250,000 a year in taxable income.
Hey Steve,
Barack Obama is not a socialist.
Barack Obama does not "pal" around with terrorists.
And Barack Obama is not muslim.
Well, it looks like the troll is a lost cause.
Just like the republican party.
I would feel sorry for him if he wasn't such an asshole.
But then again,
I've seen bigger men go down for lesser reasons.
Believe me.
i hope obama makes an exception and in the case of sally raises the taxes on his income of $45.87 a year and figures in all the free food sally gets when the locals throw their rotten vegetables at it.
Will you shut the fuck up, Sally*
Yayobama is Benji, who is a woman in California. PeeWee is a guy who is NOT in New Jersey. Johnny Boswell is a dude from the Midwest.
Why so you think everybody is named "Robert"? Remember, I was some Jewish Catholic named Robbie who simultaneously lived in two different upscale towns 15 miles apart and at the same time was on welfare while holding a government job, and now I live in a third town in a different County according to you and your "sources".
You are mentally ill. Even the people you were cyber stalking at eBay reported you, and called you "mentally unstable".
Seek help.
Extrapolate that.
To all sane Democrats.
Here are the numbers to the Senate Commerce Committee dealing with the internet. Please contact them and ask that new members of the next Congress pass legislation banning the use of Proxy Servers in the US. This will get rid of the trolls and cyber-stalkers for good.
Science, Technology, and Innovation Subcommittee
Majority: 202-224-0415
Minority: 202-224-4852
good morning, everyone. it's a new day!
Job 37:5-6
God's voice thunders in marvelous ways; he does great things beyond our understanding. He says to the snow, 'Fall on the earth,' and to the rain shower, 'Be a mighty downpour.'
and steve, the silly trool, tells us he is of a higher intellegence. hahaha
what a great way to start the week. lmao
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081109/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama
Obama to use executive orders for immediate impact
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/764291.html
Bush administration to blame for McCain's failure, she-beast says
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/nov/10/barack-obama-zombies-running
Is Obama really president or am I just watching a fantasy? It's almost too good to be true
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/764532.html
Texas clout takes a hit as Democrats take control
You have totally lost it, Stevie-o!!
I knew you were nuts, but Benji can twist your little brain up really bad. That paranoia should be fixed!
I KNOW rj. He came to CT to work for Lamont. I also know Benji from email conversations. He lives in Beverly Hills.
They are NOT the same person, and if I were you, I would not take MN Thomass' assertion they were the same person as true. Where the hell does Johnny Boswell come into RJ from NJ?
Get a hold of yourself, man! If and when I send these rants to your daughter & ex, they will have you locked up faster than you can say goodbye!
We all know your MENSA came from an internet test called Woebegon or something. It is slanted for lower IQ people to pass. You are dumber than dirt, as you just proved above. Go back and read yourself!!! WOW, certifiable!
Time to use that there solar/wind powered clothes dryer...ahhhh...line dried bed sheets!
Ezekiel 18:27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
Maybe by the time I get my chores done, there will be a new thread!
Joe S just said the F word on TV. hahaha.
ok, time to hang the laundry.
I have a feeling the DNC IT crew got to take their year's vacation time, once the election was over. That's why they were not around their laptops this weekend. Maybe they will be back to work this morning, and clean up the place. What a lot of trash spewed by hatred in the guts of Republicans.
I have decided the best answer to them from now on, is merely WE WON, YOU LOST. Nothing more needs to be said than that.
FINALLY! Let's get them tried, and if they are guilty, hang them, if not, and merely used by Bush for PR show, then let them go.
Obama planning US trials for Guantanamo detainees
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081110/ap_on_el_pr/obama_guantanamo
Morning all good Dems,
It's raining.
Can the UN indict bush and cheney and try them for war crimes in the Hague?
By the way, where is cheney?
Pam, Scarborough drops the "F bomb" quite bit.
Here is today's F Bomb.
Yikes, some guy on the Bill Press show just said after that F Bomb Scarborough was yanked off the set and Mika and Barnacle are ending the show without "boring Joe". I'm not watching it. I never do.
DooBee, Joe Scarborough just a typical Republican. Why they did not bleeb this out is mind boggling.
I lost respect for MSNBC this election cycle anyways. They appeared to be very right leaning. More so than CNN.
Chris La Voie just said Scarborough is suspended indefinitely.
Pam, After Russert died Brokaw became the point man for NBC News and he was tasked with being the "Good Will Ambassador" to the McLame Campaign.
Grampy Grumpy was complaining that Olbermann and Tweety were reporting the news and not just reading talking points from the Campaign office.
GregL on November 10, 2008 at 10:43 AM
How about we move to the "Head On" posting.....
Let's try and break a world record for how many posts in one thread.
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