Post-Election Open Thread
Thank you for all you do, did and will continue to do as we work to get our great country back on track with President-elect Barack Obama.
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i think rush mixed some meth in with the oxy today.
RUUSSSHHHH!!!!!!
Hello all good Dems! Wow - I know Pres. Elect Obama has not yet taken office but somehow today actually feels different! I am now actually hopeful for this country - something I could not say with any real conviction until 11:00 PM EST last night. It's such a relief!
Winning was the easy part.
Governing will be the hard part.
GOD BLESS THE DNC
Also, does anyone know what finally happened in Alaska - with that criminal Stevens? The last time that I saw a report, he had a very narrow lead with about 45% of the vote counted. Also, about the Oregan Senate Race?
Yesterday I spent the day as a "Florida Voting Rights Attorney" on behalf of the DNC and the Obama Campaign. I was assigned to an almost completely African American precinct from 7 AM to 7 PM. I am a white, female, 48 year old attorney. Along with two other lawyers, we dealt with about 400 people throughout the day. Most of them had no problems voting, although a few did have to vote provisionally. We answered questions for people, helped check their precinct assignments for them, and passed out sample ballots while they stood in line. These folks started lining up to vote about 5:45 AM and at times the lines were so long that the wait was up to two hours. No one minded, no one complained, I only saw one person leave before voting, and mostly everyone was happy to be there. They all agreed that they were willing to wait as long as it took to cast their ballot in this incredibly special and historical election.
The mood was more like a party or a concert than an election voting line. During the busiest and longest waiting time of the morning, people from the neighborhood showed up with donuts, OJ and water and GAVE them away for FREE - no strings attached, no campaigning, just folks being neighborly. This was hours before the Obama Campaign sent out a mass text message asking supporters to bring water to people standing in line to vote. When the people in line thanked these good Samaritans for the sustenance, they in turn thanked the voters for coming out to vote. Later in the day, these same people returned with water, juice boxes, fried chicken and more donuts.
At the end of the day, we calculated that approximately 52% of this blue collar, working class community voted that day. Add to that the early voting tallies and the absentee ballots (the league of women voters rep said they had collected about 300 of those in advance) and you have some impressive voting numbers. The unofficial consensus was that the rate was about 65 - 70%. Wow.
I have voted in numerous Presidential and local elections since 1978 (30 years worth) and have never seen anything like what I experienced on 11/4/08.
I am completely overwhelmed and I have never been so moved, or so proud to be an American. Every generation has its defining moment. For some, it was the end of WWII, for others it is the day Kennedy was shot or when a man first walked on the moon. While I have lived through some of these events and they have impacted me strongly, the day that I will remember as the defining moment of my political life, is the day we elected a black man to the highest office in the land, as the acknowledged leader of the free world. I will never forget this day or this election as long as I live.
The Youth Vote
66 percent to 32 percent in favor of Obama.
There is a new and young generation of Democrats amongst us.
LaurieBeloffMarks on November 5, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Thank you for sharing your experience and for all of your hard work - that was very moving. I had a good experience driving people to the polls but it was no where near as moving as yours!
"Four long years - I have been on this blog. Four long years I have put up with the trolls. Four long years of hating what Bush has done tot his country. NO MORE! ENOUGH!"
Four years ago, I was a bit of a regular here (*waves back at Doo-Bee-Doo*), and while I still peeked in a lot, the trolls' moronic messages of hate and lies kept me from posting. It just wasn't worth it.
Last night, I watched people celebrating in Grant Park - a place where I have left many footprints in the past, which made me feel I was a little bit there too. (Which was kinda cool.)
Today, a different Europe looks at a different America - one we can start to respect again.
Happy Obamaday everybody!
PS. Obama '12! ;-)
Obama won 52% of the popular vote.
No Democrat has won more than 51% of the popular vote since LBJ in 1964!
POPULAR VOTE MANDATE!
Obama won the electoral college by an almost 2 to 1 ratio.
ELECTORAL LANDSLIDE!
No more republican congressmen or congresswomen in the North East.
Since Nixon's Southern Strategy in 1968 the Republican Party has been the party of Red Baiting, Religious Bigotry, and Racism. These tactics used in varying proportion gave them control of the White House over most of my lifetime.
As such it is not surprising that the only three Democratic Presidents since the Civil Rights era were southerners that ran as conservatives.
But now for the first time in forty years, the three "R"s of Republicanism completely failed.
Americans finally came to grasp the meaning of the words "by their fruits ye shall know them".
What are the fruits of the present regime's hate based initiative? What any sensible citizen and decent human being should expect: Market Mania, Economic depression, and War.
Undoing the damage of the past forty years will be difficult, but the mandate is clear and the time is right.
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The_Mother_Road on November 5, 2008 at 12:55 PM
You are so right! I am so sick of 'family values' meaning 'racism is good' I could scream. I am sick of being called un-American, un-patriotic, un-Christian and Godless because I am a democrat and I am so proud of the American People for standing up and finally saying - ENOUGH! I just wish that we had - politically speaking, burried that witch (with a capital "B"), Bachman in Minnesota! I am in Tennessee and I have several Republicans I would love to be 'rid of' but none in the country raise my anger like the Bachman witch! Who ever runs against her in two years, will receive contributions from the get go from me!
YES WE DID!
Thank you fine Dems for being so supportive for these past four years. I cried tears of sorrow after Kerry's loss in 2004 and found myself crying tears of joy last night.
And, thanks to the trolls for demonstrating the ignorance, viciousness and obsoleteness of the republican party for all to see. Especially Sally, who shall from now and forever be named "Bradley" on this blog for his insistence that the racist hatred he devoutly holds will be felt by others as they vote....and was DEAD WRONG...again.
YES WE DID, Bradley. YES WE DID.
Today is truly proud and historical day for the United States. We the people of this great nation have come together with one voice to say that we are ready for change.
May God Bless you Barack Obama as the 44th President of the United States.
Hey, Kathy. when i was akid we sued tos ing thsi song "no bears out tonight, daddy killed them all last night"
So - No trolls out tonight, Obama killed them all last night.
Boy, my typing sucks - "used to sing this song"
christopher: I have wondered this for a long time, what is the VLWC?
Holy Joe can vote any way he likes as far as I'm concerned, except that if the votes in favor of any Repug fililbuster he should be immediatley kicked to the curb.
I think I just set a new record on the number of times I signed in before I got the comment screen.
Anyway
Wahooooo! Wahoooo! Wahoooo!
OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA!
HOOOOOAH!!!!!!!!
Onward to the future! Yeah!!!!
Obama's Path to Greatness: Health Care as Stimulus
Wednesday 05 November 2008
by: Dean Baker, t r u t h o u t | Perspective
President Obama will have a historic opportunity to establish himself as a truly great president in his first days in office. He can take advantage of the current economic crisis to announce plans to jump start national health care insurance. Extending health care insurance can be an effective stimulus that will provide an immediate boost to the economy.
Read the whole article:
Butte, Kathy
I have had good 'luck' after signing in, and being sent back to this thread, rather than signing in again here, going out to the home' blog' page and going into another thread, signing in there and usually that works. It's a pain but it's better than signing in here 10 or 20 times before actually getting in.
By the way... is it me or are we troll free today????
19Kathy_from_BLUE_Indiana on November 5, 2008 at 01:23 PM
The trolls, the extreme right and the republican party have a lot of soul searching to do.
I don't believe Matt is deleting them because the trolls would be walking into a minefield if they dared log in today.
Ditto! However,I don`t think it will stop the Kool-Aid drinkers who call Barack the Anti-Christ and other things. Some people do this to try to convince other people through fear,so I agree it`s so rewarding for the people to say enough. It is amazing in a sense how far the country had to be pushed to say enough. It`s time to be thankful that we will be heading in a new direction.
30Kathy_from_BLUE_Indiana on November 5, 2008 at 01:58 PM
There are plenty of things to do now that the election has been won.
We need to stay on top of the issues that Obama is going to face.
When the trolls and the extreme right start to attack his proposals we need to be ready to keep things in control on a grassroots level.
The world looks much brighter today, even from the blood red state of Tennessee.
Democrats, today, your words, for the most part, seem to be much more thoughtful, calmer, and project hope and confidence for the CHANGE to come. We have waited for eight long years.
YES WE CAN
This blog was born out of a movement that rebelled against a past time when people would only take the republican party line as gospel.
But now that the Democratic Party is in charge, we should remember to always stay vigilante with what's going on.
Complacency is our biggest enemy.
But we should never forget to spend time smelling the roses and enjoying life.
Life without enjoyment is hell.
As Obama prepares his staff and cabinet.
The people who truly support this wonderful new president should prepare themselves for when Obama is tested.
Remember Biden said that the world will test the next President and Obama will need all the support he can get.
Why We Vote
Wednesday 29 October 2008
Along with the ugliness, this election has produced a tremendous number of grace notes: the recent report of employees at an Indiana call center walking out rather than read anti-Obama talking points; the McCain supporters who confronted and shunned an Islamophobe outside a rally (captured on YouTube); and the story (reported on Politico) of how a McCain backer in line to vote early in Hamilton County, Ohio, lent his NASCAR jacket to three elderly Jewish women after overhearing that they would not be allowed to enter the polling place wearing their Obama gear. While chatting with the women, who spoke of the alliance of Jews and blacks during the civil rights struggle, the man was seized with the desire to be on the right side of history; when it was time for him to cast his ballot, he voted for Obama as well.
This last story gets at something profound about why we go to the trouble of voting. We vote in order to change the country, to exercise our rights, to make our voices heard and a hundred other clichés as shopworn as they are true. But we also vote because it places us in direct fellowship with other citizens; we vote because it is a secular sacrament, an act of civic solidarity. Because it is the ultimate declaration that we are, indeed, all in this together.
When I worked the phones for Obama, there were still times when I had to walk away and just enjoy the life that was around me.
Now that Obama has won, there will still be times when thinking about politics is not appropriate.
But as Americans we should always be ready for that next big challenge that faces us in the future.
THIS IS OUR MOMENT
THIS IS OUR TIME
-President Elect Barack Hussein Obama
Jaunc,
Now, now, don't be mad.
Remember John McCain said that he urges everyone who supported him to support Barack Hussein Obama.
Dear Mr. Obama,
May I offer my warmest congratulations on your success?
British by birth I have been given the honor of permanent residency in the United States but, alas, am not yet eligible to vote; however I was praying that you would be victorious as this country needs a massive change.
After eight years of misrule, you are facing a daunting challenge but I know that you will prove to be successful. Not only can the US look forward to a vastly improved image in the world, but now there is hope where none existed previously.
Mere words are totally inadequate for such a momentous occasion. However, my best wishes for your future [eight years!]
45JaunC on November 5, 2008 at 02:18 PM
Jaunc,
That post looks like "sour grapes".
Jaunc,
Yes, we will get there.
Just like the way we got here.
Democrats have proven that there is a place in this great country for a "skinny kid with a funny name".
That place is 1800 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, DC.
Jaunc,
Since you have decided to act in a troll like manner,
I respectfully will disengage.
I will now have to support the community here because it is they who deserve respect.
Inquiring minds want to know:
VLWC = Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy.
This is a special day.
The beginning of a new era and it's a day of celebration.
GOD BLESS AMERICA
55YayObama on November 5, 2008 at 02:26 PM
Don't be too hard on juan, after all, eating crow for breakfast doesn't do much for the attitude.
61Sally-* on November 5, 2008 at 02:36 PM
Obama will bring us the lovely and talented Sarah.
I think that the Republican Party would rather put Shrill Palin under Mt Rushmore.
rashlimbo,
The sun is shining out my window and the world is ready for change.
Everyone has to be strong for those among us who are not "brave" enough to deal with change.
The weak and the cowardly will always be weak and cowardly.
I see Bradley is on the blog. Do you think that L on your forehead will ever come off?
YES WE DID!
62rashlimbo on November 5, 2008 at 02:46 PM
Dan Quayle has more of a chance to run for president than sarah palin.
She doesn't have the financial resources to be a competitive contender for the presidency.
The only money she can raise are from republican donors who have already lost millions of dollars.
A sarah palin candidacy in 2012 would ensure that Obama is President for eight years.
Good afternoon fellow Democrats. Yes we did!
JaunC on November 5, 2008 at 02:32 PM
Speaking as one of those moderate blue dog Democrats you can rest assured that we will assist the Obama Administration in any way that we can. We have fought long and hard to get to this place and we darn sure aren't going to give it up on some crackpot legislation.
As a moderate, President Elect Obama can expect support from us on any issue that lies somewhere between the 2000 version McCain on the right and Kennedy on the left. Senator Elect Mark Warner from the Commonwealth of VA is a prime example of the types of Democrats that were elected last night as is now our senior senator, Jim Webb (D-VA).
The political pendulum has now swung our way. in 2002 it was on the far right. In 2004 it was on the center right. In 2006, it was dead center. Now in 2008, it has swung to the center left and, IMHO, as long as we govern from center left, we'll keep the Congress and the White House for at least two decades and maybe more.
rashlimbo,
Four years of governing the state of Alaska will not prepare her for a White House run.
As Obama and the Democratic Party have proven, Joe the voter wants positive results and Joe the voter wants change.
ABC News has learned that President-elect Obama has offered the White House chief of staff job to Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill.
Emanuel, a knowledgeable source tells ABC News, has not yet given his answer. The sharp-tongued, sharp-elbowed, keenly intelligent veteran of the Clinton White House is said to have ambitions to some day be Speaker of the House. But he also has a keen sense of "duty."
http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/rahm-emanuel-offered-chief-staff-posi
OBAMA: 63,042,806
MCCAIN: 55,821,650
A 7.2 million vote difference, 250-260 House Reps. and 55+ Senators is a mandate. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. If they do, tell them to try to pass something.
There has been some speculation that current landslide to the left will only result in a soon expected shift to the right.
But the demographics aren't there to be believed.
The republican party is now a party for a minority of the extreme right wing.
If the Latino population become a reliable vote for the Democratic Party, Texas may even become a swing state.
But the extreme right are filled with anti-immigrant racists and the hispanic vote will not support it.
Ralph Nader makes a fool of himself...again:'
http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/you-stay-classy-nader
New Junkie if your on here Sell CHK. it at about 27.00 which is up 6.60 from where i recommended it, around a 30 percent gain.
BTW, fellow Dems, did y'all notice that Idaho sent a Dem to the House??
Please Welcome Walt Minnick (D) from the great state of Idaho!
And, again a big round of applause to the rightwingnuts that made this possible!!!
Saying that the Democratic Party will not be able to keep control of power in Congress is like saying....
America will never elect an African American President.
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Anything is possible.
The time for change has come.
Florida's I-4 Corridor which was targeted by Obama, looked bluer than I thought.
I-4 Corridor across center of Florida almost goes all blue.
What kept them from it was conservative Polk County in between Tampa and Orlando.
Kathy, I can't believe Indiana went Blue. My dad lived in Angola for a time and I have been there to visit years ago. I would have never dreamt it would go BLUE!
I'm just watching Palin say, "what would I be doing in 8 years, enrolling trigg in kindergarten" She can't add either. Trigg is what 7 months in eight years he'd be in 2nd or 3rd grade.
Now she is saying the country has to come together. After the hate and fear she has incited. Pleeze, go home witch. We never want to see your stupid, hate filled, god using self again.
It's such a great day even the trolls can't do anything to spoil it.
America and the world are at peace.
Investors on Wall Street are starting to buy and invest because Barack Obama is President and the wealthy know that the economy will back on track in not time.
i think rush mixed some meth in with the oxy today.
Gregg, We have a local hate radio talk show guy here in CT. All he did this morning was Sour grapes
" yadda yadda, that was NOT the biggest turnout in history"", blah blah, that was NOT a record Youth turnout!"
It was so obviously sour grapes, he sounded like an ass ! (well, more of an ass than usual)
BlueinIdaho on November 5, 2008 at 03:09 PM
Congratulations to all the fine Democrats of the great state of Idaho. Well done, Blue!
It's such a great day even the trolls can't do anything to spoil it.
America and the world are at peace.
80YayObama on November 5, 2008 at 03:12 PM
Yay Obama are you, on crack or what? You have been on here for the last 18 hrs.
However as far as the trolls go, they are laid back on there backs, with there legs in the air, bent over double, licking there nuts. In other words there confused, they can't figure out why the rest of America is not as hateful, as they are.
Potential Obama Picks for Treasury Secretary
::New Jersey Governor Jon Corzine
::Clinton-era Treasury Secretary Larry Summers
::Tim Geithner, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York
::Former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker
Investors on Wall Street are starting to buy and invest because Barack Obama is President and the wealthy know that the economy will back on track in not time.
81YayObama on November 5, 2008 at 03:14 PM
Are you crazy? The market is down 384 point as we speak, the pugs are rebelling.
PamB on November 5, 2008 at 03:16 PM
Hiya Pam. Great job y'all did on the Chris Shays race last night. CT has gone from blue to neon blue. ;-)
84chassie on November 5, 2008 at 03:20 PM
Chassie,
I'm really benji.
And believe me I have a deeply profound disdain for the trolls, but there are other bloggers here who have been here around even longer than me that really hate when I engage with the trolls. So as an act of respect to the older bloggers who have consistently berated me for engaging with the trolls, I am trying to be congenial to their wishes.
This is a great day.
I came in about a year before the 06 midterm elections as an angry Independent. The Kerry loss still loomed large around here.
I have been priviledged to witness the hardworking bloggers like Gregg, PamB, Peppermint Lizzy, FOS just to name a few who have toiled here supporting Dr. Howard Dean. And after this election, I am so proud of what these bloggers have done.
I don't know if I know you that well, if you are a blogger that I knew in the past but changed your name to Chassie. But I like reading your posts.
Good afternoon, all.
Sometimes it takes a little Christmas.....
Obama victory sparks cheers around the globe
By JOHN LEICESTER, Associated Press Writer
PARIS – Barack Obama's election as America's first black president unleashed a renewed love for the United States after years of dwindling goodwill, and many said Wednesday that U.S. voters had blazed a trail that minorities elsewhere could follow...
Many expressed amazement and satisfaction that the United States could overcome centuries of racial strife and elect an African-American as president.
"This is the fall of the Berlin Wall times ten," Rama Yade, France's black junior minister for human rights, told French radio. "America is rebecoming a New World.
"On this morning, we all want to be American so we can take a bite of this dream unfolding before our eyes," she said.
In Britain, The Sun newspaper borrowed from Neil Armstrong's 1969 moon landing in describing Obama's election as "one giant leap for mankind."...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_elections_world_view
The American Dream lives around the world. Bin Lauden must be disheartened and very worried that we have gotten back our bearings. Our Founding Father's dream of democracy is alive and well.
We are that "Shining Light on the Hill" that Reagan spoke about. He would be as proud of us today as Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Jackson, Lincoln, the Roosevelts, Eisenhower, and Kennedy.
We are so much better than the last eight years of Republican failures.
The rest of the world looks to us again for leadership. We have defeated the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 and we didn't have to go to war to do it.
Strong, wise men and women lead by example not by the sword or lies.
Oh, how corrupt and vile were the likes of neocons like Dick Cheney and Newt Gingrich. We must never allow our country to go down that destructive path again. It almost destroyed our free enterprise system, our Constitution, and our honor.
We must rebuild what has been broken in our military and economic markets and never allow greedy, power-hungry madmen ever to stand in the way of the American Dream.
86chassie on November 5, 2008 at 03:23 PM
Buffett, Google Invest Big
In Little-Known Renewable
http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-fi-geothermal3-2008nov03,0,7002141.story?track=rss
86chassie on November 5, 2008 at 03:23 PM
FCC Approves New Airwave Use:
"Wi-Fi On Steroids"
BobVADemocratHawk on November 5, 2008 at 03:19 PM
Thanks Bob! Idaho aspires to someday turn blue like VA!
Yeeeeehaw!
Good afternoon Sandy H, i'm so sorry that you worked your everloving ass off and fell just a few votes short, of winning Mo. However people like you will make the difference in the future, the pugs are a dying party, as the old racist, bigot die off.
Its people like you that will make the difference in the future, thank you so much for all of the very Hard Work That You Did, you are the one!!!
It took me 3 election cycles to turn Florida Blue.
And people like you could make the difference in the next election cycle, don't give up all good things are worth waiting for. I'm sure you and your kind will turn Mo. blue next time aroud.
P. S. I LOVE YOU!!!!!
JaunC on November 5, 2008 at 02:58 PM
So you say. President Elect Obama is no President Carter. He knows how to work with the Congress to accomplish a fiscally sound agenda.
One thing the conservatives are going to have to wrap their brains around though is the fact that they've mismanaged the fiscal policy of this nation so poorly, we're looking at a trillion dollar deficit next year. Of course, they're going to try to pin that debacle on us. It'll be up to President Elect Obama to edcaute the masses as to why it's going to take us at least twenty years to clean up this God-awful mess created by the Bush Administration.
If he does, I stand by my original prediction that we'll contrl the Congress and the White House for at least twenty years. If he does not, then he'll end up just like President Carter.
86chassie on November 5, 2008 at 03:23 PM
The economic shift is only beginning.
Last nights election for Obama is the catalyst.
The republican control kept the economic status quo from evolving.
The new Democratic Party position is opening doors for a new economy as we speak.
I believe that whole-heartedly.
90SandyH on November 5, 2008 at 03:29 PM
The world stood still with bush in power because they could never trust what he would do next.
The world is now free to work with the U.S. because they believe in Obama.
GOD BLESS PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
Amazing, isn't it? There are people who think that taxes are going to go down, and that the government is going to pay for their mortgages.. all because they backed Obama. Got news, folks, before the end of his first year, taxes will go up to pay for the unemployment for people fired because Obama bin Laden raised taxes on corporations, and they let go of people to afford to pay the tax increase... and someone said Obama is smarter than 90% of the foreign leaders: how many of them do you hear the word "Uh" or "Um" as much as Obama??? Sorry, but the truth hurts sometimes, doesn't it? He won't take my gun or bible away from me, I promise you that...
I believe Jimmy Carter was a great philanthropist and a great humanitarian, but he had his fraities as a President.
Jimmy Carter was elected on an anybody but Gerald Ford platform, that is why he won.
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President Barack Hussein Obama is a leader that many believe can become a great President....
....not because bush was a lousy president....
....but because President Barack Hussein Obama in the two years he has hit the national political scene has been tested over and over again and has proven that he has the temperment and judgement to do what is right for America.
GOD BLESS BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
The new Democratic Party position is opening doors for a new economy as we speak.
I believe that whole-heartedly.
97YayObama on November 5, 2008 at 03:39 PM
Benji, i believe that too, however some folks simply don't have the time to wait, and there monies have been, decimated, in the last couple of months. Here's a simple fact that young folks have time to wait, but old folks don't they need there money now, just to keep up. Now since the pugs have raped them of there money, they will have to cut every corner imaginable in there old years just to stay afloat.
These old people are the best amongst us, and have suffered thur thick and thin. And now there fucked thanks to the pugs.
IMHO, as long as we govern from center left, we'll keep the Congress and the White House for at least two decades and maybe more.
BobVADemocratHawk on November 5, 2008 at 02:52 PM
Bob,
That sounds just about right to me, too....as long as we are not entering another Great Depression. Oh, how I wish Obama's advisers could get into the Executive and start auditing the books NOW. Just how much damage has been done that they aren't telling us?
I'm a fiscal conservative at heart and hope and pray that we don't have to go into a deeper deficit to climb our way out of the hole the Republicans put us into. But if we must, FDR left a blueprint that points in the right direction.
Developing alternative fuels, rebuilding our infrastructure, encouraging our young to seek higher education, and straightening our medical care delivery system have to be top priorities...right behind voting reform.
This will rebuild our markets and revenues, create jobs and equity on our own shores again, and allow us to strengthen our military...which has to be the biggest blunder these morons made.
I firmly pray that Americans never again allow a President to send our troops into battle without the best equipment and generals to lead them. One does not go to war with what you have...or dismiss those officers who protest such an idiotic move.
Hey yayobama, how was he tested? By taking money from Fannie May with his buddy Barney Franks to keep mortgage regulations low? For helping ACORN put people in homes that everyone knew wouldn't be able to make the payments? For saying that people in the midwest are gun totin' bible thumpers?
One of the challenges that Barack Hussein Obama has is to prove the extreme right wrong.
However, that is not his biggest challenge.
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President Barack Hussein Obama's biggest challenge is to clean up the mess that bush left behind.
He has the support of the majority of Americans and he has the support of the international community.
And that is a wonderful thing.
92JaunC on November 5, 2008 at 03:33 PM
As per usual your wrong! Go away!
103chassie on November 5, 2008 at 03:49 PM
Anything is possible.
-Barack Hussein Obama.
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We did it before and we can do it again.
Yes we did.
and
Yes we can.
guntotinbiblethumper on November 5, 2008 at 03:46 PM
I feel bad for you. Get rid of the anger and rejoice! Things will get better because we have elected a man who cares about America...all of it, not just the privileged few.
And, a word of advice: perhaps instead of thumping that Bible you could read it. In it you will find, among other writings, the eighth commandment. Learn it and live it.
The economy took its' biggest downturn 2 years ago, when the Democrats took over Congress then went on record to say that there was nothing wrong with FNMA and the securitization of the mortgages. Thanks to them, the mortgage industry went down, I lost an $80K a year job because of the downsizing in our industry, and now make $30K a year doing pest control... Now, Obama will RAISE taxes to pay for the unemployment and the government programs he wants to use to "spread the wealth" around, and unfortunately, it'll be folks like me, making below middle income and supporting a family of 4, who will be hurt the most by the bad decisions of the liberals in this country...
the republican trolls will cry and whine about everything under the sun that isn't branded republican.
that's just who they are.
the republicans biggest failure is that they don't trus anyone and consequently nobody trusts them.
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Not only do a majority of enthusiastic, energized and patriotic American voters trust Obama...
... but so does the international community.
That's something that republicans can only dream of.
YayObama on November 5, 2008 at 03:55 PM
I know that you are high on life, but your not getting the drift, old folks don't have the time to wait for things to turn around. They are already screwed don't you get that point?
Democratic political activists are going through post-election down syndrome.
But it won't last long.
There is too much at stake.
guntotinbiblethumper on November 5, 2008 at 03:46 PM
President Elect Obama has no intention of taking your gun or your Bible away. He never did contrary to the lies spread by the far right. But know this and know it well. This is a new era in American politics. Gone are the days of divisive politics based on theological hot button issues. You are now the minority. You are a dying breed soon to be remembered only in annals of history.
Let me end with this: Congrats to Obama for running a good and fair campaign. Congrats to all who voted for him, those who put in the time and effort to help him win a tough election. I do read my bible.. but blueinidaho, I also believe in a thing called the Constitution, which in his own words Obama has said is fundamentally flawed. The document that set up the basis for this country is fundamentally flawed. Well, again, Congrats to all y'all.
112chassie on November 5, 2008 at 03:59 PM
Yes, I get the point, "old people are screwed".
But we worked hard to get to this point, and giving up isn't an option.
I hate the republicans just as much as you do.
Ask any of the older bloggers, they will tell you the crazy things I've done on this blog to motivate these wonderful political activists.
And I say that I recognize your point that "the old people are screwed".
That is why we are here.
To do everything we can to do what is right.
Seniors, take it on the chin again today, thanks to the rebellious pugs, the dow is down 490 points today, when will they get a break?
All of you spoiled, young folks out there, that is expecting a hand out from your elders, need to rethink yours, and there's, position respectfully. Its time that you younger folks help your elders, after all they have done for you. And that is the end of that story.
YayObama on November 5, 2008 at 03:42 PM
After the way the Bush Crime Family has operated, the world would have welcomed even Sarah Palin as our new president...The First Dude and Joe the Plumber, too.
I blame everything that has gone wrong in this country on one dubious Supreme Court ruling. I'm no lawyer, but I have read the Constitution and know a scam when I see it.
Why do we treat these Lifers of the Bench like saints? They can be as corrupt as any politician if given enough encouragement. The Founders gave us a remedy to handle such situations. We should use it when it becomes necessary.
This single act, which I still maintain they had no authority to make under our Constitution, almost destroyed this Republic. There should be no mercy for the corrupt and arrogant.
For the first time in 44 years I did not vote for the Democratic candidate for President - because I can't imagine what life will be like with Obama as the leader of this country. Don't get me wrong, I didn't vote for McCain either - I wrote in a candidate. I think this country is ready for a change, and I wish that I believed we were going to face better times with Obama at the helm. I will be praying everyday for him and our congress - God knows they need all the help they can get - because he is our president and they are suppose to represent the people. It is a shame that so many sell themselves to lobbyists and special causes for political gain at the expense of the people they were elected to serve. I am a 62 year old female who has worked in the defense industry, supporting our armed forces in peace and conflict for 35 years, and I believe our form of government is the best in the world. I'm sad to say, I think the parties let the American people down with the candidates for this election.
Blue,
Guntotin will always play Monday morning Quarterback with anything that a Democrat does.
But what he will not do is look at the republican party and admit it was their policies that got us into this mess in the first place.
Bob, thanks for letting me know that as a 44 yr old white male with a family, mortgage and a job, that I am now a minority.. only to be remebered in the annuls of time. Let's just hope that things really do get better... OK?
BJohnson62 on November 5, 2008 at 04:08 PM
Why are you here? Go away.
A little bucket of cold water for you moon bats.
why Danny boy, did you sleep off your hangover? Cried yourself to sleep? I guess you do not have enough self esteem to stay off the blog !
Well, just remember, President Obama is now your Commander in Chief, and as an ex military man, you better show proper respect ! After the crapola you posted here about us and Bush!
Who's your Daddy, Danny? what's that? I can't hear you!!!!!!!!!!!
Did you say Barack Obama is my Daddy???????? I thought that is what you said!
The number one issue on the table for President Barack Hussein Obama is filling his Administration and Cabinet with competent leaders.
bush spent all his time filling his Administration and Cabinet with loyal cronies.
That is not a mistake that President Barack Hussein Obama will make.
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YayObama on November 5, 2008 at 03:32 PM
It's not little known along the Rocky Mountains, and its not just in California and Nevada.
Geothermal's been discussed in the whole region as a possible energy source.
There are hot springs all along the Rocky Mountain chain, and can be used for various things from heating buildings, and growing tomatoes, and as a tourist attraction (Yellowstone Park) to tapping it for a source of electrical energy.
There was even one outfit that was talking about using some of our deeper underground mines in Butte as a starting point for drilling into some of the deeper, hotter geothermal layers.
Personally I like to go to swimming outside in the hot springs on New Year's day. ;-D
guntotinbiblethumper on November 5, 2008 at 03:58 PM
That is complete and utter balderdash. It's people like you, and I for that matter, who will receive the most assistance in the Obama Administration. And because of the gross incompetence of the Bush Adminstration and conservative fiscal policy as a whole, it will take a new New Deal to get us out of it.
Congrats Bob, and thank you for all of the hard work that you did in the fine state of Virginia!!
Your a winner, my goodness, just to think that are man won, Virginia, Florida, Colorado, New Mexico, Ohio, Nevada, and wow wow Indiana. Boggles the mind.
Have they called North Carolina yet?
What are the trolls going to do when the pissed-off moderate Republicans start demanding their party back, and they are left out in the cold? Join the Libertarians?
They are kind of like Republican anarchists.
126Kathy_from_BLUE_Indiana on November 5, 2008 at 04:12 PM
Kathy,
What you did in Indiana is something that you will one day tell your grandchildren.
What you did in Indiana was historical and monumental.
That is something you can keep not for just one day, but for the rest of your life.
But don't forget, there is still much to do.
Do your best to smell the roses and enjoy the fruits of you labor.
And when you are finished resting......
......Indiana will still need you to be there for them.
I am so proud of Howard Dean and his leadership at the DNC. The 50-State Strategy made the difference. Gov. Dean, you deserve a lot of credit for the Democratic victories yesterday. Thank you.
I am also struck by the role that Gov. Dean's 2004 campaign played in Obama's campaign strategy and tactics. I wrote a post on my blog at lifeonq.com about my experience as a Deaniac during the '04 campaign and how I think Dean for America, now Democracy for America, helped set the stage for Barack Obama's victory. I believe Howard Dean's campaign strategy in 2004, followed by his leadership of the DNC, deserve a lot of credit for the Democratic Party's success yesterday. I see hope. I see positive change. And I see Dean people.
My fellow Deaniacs: We ultimately did get our country back. Thank you.
128Butte on November 5, 2008 at 04:14 PM
Ooooohhhh, a good swim sound real nice right now.
Good nioght fellow Democrats. Keep the faith and keep the faith. Yes we did!
chassie on November 5, 2008 at 04:07 PM
chassie,
I beg to differ. We gave these youngsters Bush the Incompetent...his legacy will live on and on. They have a right to try to save themselves.
Everyone is going to have to sacrifice. There is no easy answers in life. If you believe that, you're a Republican.
But I do understand what you are feeling. I figure I'm never going to be able to retire. I'll be lucky if I ever get a real job again with benefits and a fixed salary. This is not the life my parents worked so hard for me to have. Imagine what our children are facing?
We have to buck up and live with the hand that fate has dealt us. But I'm not going down without a fight...John McCain at least had that much right. Americans are not quiters.
IT'S NOT A DREAM
AMERICA HAS JUST ELECTED
PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
Perhaps Obama says an "um" on occasion, like many of us do. However, at least, unlike Palin, he doesn't "give a shout out" or use other contemporary slang when speaking to the American people. He also recognizes that most of us don't need a six-pack under our arms when we come home from work at night: sounds like Joe Six-Pack needs a little AA.
After eight years of hearing a president sound "down home" and clueless, it will be great to hear an intelligent president who can speak well and who won't make be cringe with embarrassment.
The sleazebag from Alaska, Sarah Palin, had better stay up there, where Alaskans seem not to have any Morals or integrity anyways, re-electing Stevens!
From the Alaskan Daily News today:
At least Sarah, The Toddler and clan come home with some "parting gifts"!!
Posted by RobertDN
Posted: November 5, 2008 - 8:31 am
NEWSWEEK has also learned that Palin's shopping spree at high-end department stores was more extensive than previously reported. While publicly supporting Palin, McCain's top advisers privately fumed at what they regarded as her outrageous profligacy. One senior aide said that Nicolle Wallace had told Palin to buy three suits for the convention and hire a stylist. But instead, the vice presidential nominee began buying for herself and her family--clothes and accessories from top stores such as Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus. According to two knowledgeable sources, a vast majority of the clothes were bought by a wealthy donor, who was shocked when he got the bill. Palin also used low-level staffers to buy some of the clothes on their credit cards. The McCain campaign found out last week when the aides sought reimbursement. One aide estimated that she spent "tens of thousands" more than the reported $150,000, and that $20,000 to $40,000 went to buy clothes for her husband. Some articles of clothing have apparently been lost. An angry aide characterized the shopping spree as "Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast," and said the truth will eventually come out when the Republican Party audits its books.
PamB on November 5, 2008 at 04:12 PM
OMG! Have you been waiting to say that???!
ROFLMAO!
Bible to tin: The United States Constitution, the GREATEST DOCUMENT EVER FORGED BY MAN, has to be considered a 'living, breathing' entity to continue to be relevant. After all, they did not have little things like electricity, automobiles, the internet; heck, they didn't even have indoor plumbing. The framers were not plagued by immoral heads of corporations who, having run their companies into the ground, absconded (albeit legally) with millions! President Elect Obama did in fact say that the Constitution was flawed; however, he was referring to the legality of slavery, not allowing women to vote and 'valueing negroes' as 3/5 of human. All of which have been LEGALLY changed (basically admitting that they were wrong to start with!) with ammendments enacted by Congress and signed into law by Presidents. If you disagree with these changes - if you are a racist who thinks that slavery should still be legal and women should be esentially chatel - then please, by all means, LEAVE!!!!!!!!!
Well, Well, looks like al Franken may have a chance after all! Keep your fingers crossed!
Maybe we should send charters of Democrats to MN, to bang on the wall and intimidate the counters, like the Repugs did in FL 8 years ago!!!
AP Uncalls Minnesota Senate Race
Wednesday 05 November 2008
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by: The Associated Press
Holy Joe can vote any way he likes as far as I'm concerned, except that if the votes in favor of any Repug fililbuster he should be immediatley kicked to the curb.
Christopher_blunt_proud_member_of_the_VLWC on November 5, 2008 at 01:42 PM
I second that motion.
Hi Blue, Yeah, I have been waiting to say that for a long time! Nothing like putting an ignorant, surly, sour grape Republican Troll in his place!!!!!!! :)
beg to differ. We gave these youngsters Bush the Incompetent...his legacy will live on and on. They have a right to try to save themselves.
Everyone is going to have to sacrifice. There is no easy answers in life. If you believe that, you're a Republican.
But I do understand what you are feeling. I figure I'm never going to be able to retire. I'll be lucky if I ever get a real job again with benefits and a fixed salary. This is not the life my parents worked so hard for me to have. Imagine what our children are facing?
We have to buck up and live with the hand that fate has dealt us. But I'm not going down without a fight...John McCain at least had that much right. Americans are not quiters.
136SandyH on November 5, 2008 at 04:21 PM
Sandy i agree with you, to a certain degree about the real youngsters, I'm talking about the one's in there late 30's and early 40's. That there elders gave them all that they had. And now a big percentage of these elders need help, from there siblings. Just stop and think about it for one minute, if the elders had kept there money and not give it overwhelmingly to there siblings, they would not be hurting today, its time for there siblings to help them, so they don't have to sit around and look at four wall's.
This is not what the Us. is about, they should be able to enjoy life, in what few good years they have left. And most of them could of, if they had not give it all to there siblings.
And Sandy as far as you not being able to ever retire, who's fault would that be?
If you don't plan for your retirement, it will never happen. ( THAT WOULD BE YOUR FAULT AND NO BODY ELSE'S).
WE AMERICANS CAN AGAIN HOLD OUR HEADS UP WITH PRIDE IN THE WORLD ! NO PAPERS ASKING HOW 60,000,000 AMERICANS CAN BE SO STUPID THIS MORNING. NO, QUITE THE OPPOSITE !!!
Obama victory sparks cheers around the globe
Slideshow: World reacts to U.S. election Play Video Video: Obama's Kenyan relatives cheer win AP Play Video Video: Postcard to U.S. President: Tehran Reuters AP – Koichi Morii, an Obama citizen, holds Obama fish burgers, which are sold in the city, to celebrate Barack … PARIS – Barack Obama's election as America's first black president unleashed a renewed love for the United States after years of dwindling goodwill, and many said Wednesday that U.S. voters had blazed a trail that minorities elsewhere could follow.
People across Africa stayed up all night or woke before dawn to watch U.S. history being made, while the president of Kenya — where Obama's father was born — declared a public holiday.
In Indonesia, where Obama lived as child, hundreds of students at his former elementary school erupted in cheers when he was declared winner and poured into the courtyard where they hugged each other, danced in the rain and chanted "Obama! Obama!"
"Your victory has demonstrated that no person anywhere in the world should not dare to dream of wanting to change the world for a better place," South Africa's first black president, Nelson Mandela, said in a letter of congratulations to Obama.
Many expressed amazement and satisfaction that the United States could overcome centuries of racial strife and elect an African-American as president.
"This is the fall of the Berlin Wall times ten," Rama Yade, France's black junior minister for human rights, told French radio. "America is rebecoming a New World.
"On this morning, we all want to be American so we can take a bite of this dream unfolding before our eyes," she said.
Read more:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_elections_world_view
You can be proud once again too, Danny. We will let you ride on President Obama's coattails.
After eight years of hearing a president sound "down home" and clueless, it will be great to hear an intelligent president who can speak well and who won't make be cringe with embarrassment.
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Nancy23 on November 5, 2008 at 04:27 PM
Those are some of the truest words ever typed!
I am not thrilled with Obama's Chief of Staff. Rahm is much too much of a Centrist for my taste.
Hey Pam, Chassie, Blue and all of you great, great dems.
Pam - a special 'thank you' for all of your hard work yesterday!
...and said the truth will eventually come out when the Republican Party audits its books.
PamB on November 5, 2008 at 04:27 PM
This is a joke. The Republicans never seek the truth nor do they audit their books. They are too busy making out like bandits like Palin was.
Maybe Grandma-to-be Palin will get ran over by reindeer this Xmas on her way to a grand jury?
O.K. Good-Evening good Dems, i am not staying around arguing with good Dems. Have a good evening.
And Con_Grats to everyone.
MaryMac, my only regret is that I live in a Blue state that was going for Obama anyways.
I am particularly proud that CT finally kicked out our LAST Republican House Rep, Chris Shays. We are totally blue now. Feels good.
I am also proud, that we had an amendment forced onto the ballot to try and get rid of Gay Marriage just passed here. Disguised as "Do you want to have a Constitutional Convention so that CT residents can make changes to our Constitution". VOTED AGAINST OVERWHELMINGLY!
This is a nice state to live in. Civilized, intelligent, tolerant people!
Thanks so much to Bradley and Juan for making this victory soooooo efffing sweet!
Idaho sent a Dem to the House Partay! Yessss!
Pam, CT sounds like a great place except for one thing, I think that below 65° is COLD! Seriously, I get very unhappy when the day time high doesn't exceed 60! As much as I agree totally with the politics, I don't think that I could handle the winters! ;-)
I liked the fact that sarah palin wasted all that republican donation money.
if republicans keep donating money and it keeps on getting wasted they will go bankrupt
plus if sarah palin tries to run for president, you don't have to have a phd in financing to know she doesn't have enough money to compete on a national level.
if sarah palin runs in 2012 that will all but guarantee Omama will be president for 8 years.
chassie on November 5, 2008 at 04:36 PM
Not all of us have pursued careers which pay well or are recession-proof. Nor have we been blessed not to have faced major medical emergencies that drained our savings.
I've saved for the time when I can no longer work and will not starve. But quite frankly I don't need a lot of material things. I believe that you grow rich by giving of of yourself to the needs of others less fortunate.
Everyone should at least be left with their dignity.
More from Newsweek:
McCain himself rarely spoke to Palin during the campaign, and aides kept him in the dark about the details of her spending on clothes because they were sure he would be offended. Palin asked to speak along with McCain at his Arizona concession speech Tuesday night, but campaign strategist Steve Schmidt vetoed the request.
Sally/Bradley: "four years of grooming"
I don't think even the RNC can handle that bill! LOL!! My God, look at what just three months cost!
No, I don't think that the RNC will even remember Caribou Barbie come 2012 - she's already embarrassed them way too much.
I have it on good authority that the RNC is looking at Gov. H. Barbour of Miss.
unfortunately, i believe sarah palin will become another dan quayle.
she will try and relive her 15 minutes of glory and fame but she will eventually burn out and disappear as an "almost was" or a "what could have been".
Chassie, if you come back and get this, I didn't get to buy CHK cause there wasn't any money in the acct. Just today my husband put some in so I'm ready to go. Damn your good.
I'm ready for some peace and serenity. It's about time. It can really make you age and physically ill to have anger, like I have had, inside for 8 years.
It's over! I'm going to spend more time with my kids and you have a wonderful time with the grandkids. It's this week-end that your going if my memory serves me correctly.
Peace good Dems.
unfortunately, i believe sarah palin will become another dan quayle.
she will try and relive her 15 minutes of glory and fame but she will eventually burn out and disappear as an "almost was" or a "what could have been".
What happened to the Bradley Effect?
White Americans play major role in electing the first black president. Race proves to be no discernible handicap, even among the small-town, working-class whites who were considered most resistant to Obama.
duhhhh, Danny boy, I LEFT AP on there just for you, because of your blind bias ! It was the AP who wrote that article that NEWSWEEK found that story out. Still making yourself look so so stupid aren't you!
And yeah, we know exactly who are Daddy's all are. And I KNOW you will like your new one, President Barack Obama !
You know, you Republicans have a chance to finally come together in this country, to bring about fixing everything that is wrong , that was broken by Bush, but you would rather still choose to live in Hatred and fear and ride your Party, instead of your country! This all says a lot about you, Dan, a very very lot.
And Stevie old boy:
#1- Jealous of Sarah? Are you watching TV today? The Repugs are all finally talking about how she lost this for them!!! Tune into MSNBC and CNN if you doubt me!
But too dumb to figure out how to mark their ballots. (as you said)
And I have NO IDEA what your are blubbering about here, but I NEVER said they could not figure out how to mark any ballot! Your senility is getting worse and worse! sick mofo.
Failn' Palin mya be the favorite of the twenty-percenters but she will never get as close to the mainstream as she landed when McDumb plucked her out of obscurity. Just look at how fast she faded as the campaign wnet on. Her highest point was at the very beginning and the trend was straight down from there. she's gone, soon to be forgotten.
But if there's a real crisis in the House right now for the Republican Party, it's the gradually diminishing voice of moderation. Virginia's Tom Davis famously criticized his cohorts earlier this year, saying that "the Republican brand is in the trash can...if we were dog food, they would take us off the shelf." This morning, Davis can take comfort in the fact that he read the political landscape correctly. Unfortunately for the GOP, he'll also be retiring -- one more non-shrill voice who won't be participating in the process. This morning, Davis took a shot at the Club For Growth, an anti-tax zealotry outfit who've taken great pains to increase the fringe faction in the GOP side: "We call it the Club for Democratic Growth," Davis told WAMU Public Radio today.
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Not looking good for the republicans.
Not all of us have pursued careers which pay well or are recession-proof. Nor have we been blessed not to have faced major medical emergencies that drained our savings.
Sandy i don't want to argue with you, i respect you. However that is a lame excuse, i don't care if you work for minimum wage, the idea is to live well within you means in your working years, and pay your self first, by saving for retirement.
Sure i understand that 1 illness can wipe anyone out these days. But really that is not the case in most cases, most people just blow it by living above there means, living like dime store millionaires. Which is the reason that we are in a crisis at the present time.
Here is a good example of what i'm talking about, most youngsters these days want to start off in there 20s that took there parents all of there lives to achieve, this has to stop. Here's a example of what i'm talking about CELL PLONES we did not have the luxury, and can barely afford it at our age. But 12 year olds think that they are entilted to one. We'll say its only 50.00 per month times 12 that is 600.00 per year. Times 60 years, that is 60,000 thousand dollars, and that is just one little example. This is why working people don't have squat. How much would that 60,000 be worth in 50 years invested, at say only 7 percent interest, for retirement. That don't even consider texting or any other bells and whistles. Just this one little thing over a 50 year period, is the difference being able to retire or not. And there is many other little things, that mean just as much. Its not the big things, like houses, and cars that break people, its the little things, that i described above.
Sandy i respect the dignity thing, but you can have both, dignity, and comfort, in your old years.
Can Sarah Palin go home again?
In the 68 days since Alaska's governor began her run for vice president, things have changed on the home front. Some of her former allies are fuming, and former enemies are lying in wait. Public perceptions of the governor have also changed. Has the governor changed as well?
Questions about Palin's future began to circulate at Alaska's Election Central on Tuesday night almost as soon as the national election results came in.
Palin is expected to arrive in Alaska sometime today in a campaign plane. Will she be the old Palin, a populist who worked with Democrats to achieve victories in the Legislature, or the sharp partisan from the national campaign?
At an Alaska Obama gathering Tuesday night, some celebrants said they were disappointed by the new Palin they saw in the campaign.
"All the alliances she used to get things done have been shattered," said Kate Troll, executive director of the Alaska Conservation Alliance. "She comes back to unknown territory."
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Things aren't boding well for sarah palin.
I really do like the prospect of sarah palin in 2012.
If she ran in 2012 than Obama is a lock for 8 years in the WH.
....palin is dumber than a moose
....she doesn't do her homework
....she is gullible and naive
....and she spends money worse than bush
palin was fooled by a Canadian disc jockey who pretended to be the president of France.
And boy did she fall for that one, hook line and sinker.
Sandy i hate to keep harping, but here is another example. Let say that you have a grandson, or a granddaughter. And let say that you can give them a paper route, that pays 2,500 per year. And you can tax exempt the 2,500. For say a 8 year old, and put that money into a IRA which is tax except. And never ever, put one more dime into it. At the time that child is 65, it will be worth One and one half million dollars, based on a 8 percent return. Now let me ask you this question which one is worth the most 3 and one half years of a cell phone, or the one time investment of 2,500 dollars? Its a non starter!
Chassie: I like and respect you so much but I deal with people every day and Yes, there are a certain percentage of people who have lived 'beyond their means' and that percentage has contributed to the economic meltdown; but, not as large a percentage as you might think.
Since WWII, the conventional wisdom has held that you invest in a house that you can barely afford now and will be comfortable affording in 5 years. This has held 'true' because the economy, even with some downturns, has always grown, until the last 8 years.
The current economy has suffered 'stagflation' for 8 straight years. That is when wages do not grow - at all - not even 'cost of living' increases but prices grow at more than the normal rate of inflation. Not since the great depression have we suffered 'stagflation' for more than 3 years in a row.
According to economists, the average family now has $2,000 less per year than they did 8 years ago. The middle class economy has deteriorated for 8 straight years! People have been dipping into their savings and, when that runs out, putting "Luxury" items like rising utilities, groceries, and gas on 16% to 30% interest credit cards and "robbing Peter to pay Paul" just to make the minimum payments for the last five or so years, just trying to make ends meet and when confronted by a medical emergency, there is just nothing left. With the new laws, bankruptcy is not an option.
Traditionally the biggest savings investment people make in their lifetimes is in their homes; however, due to 'creative financing,' job losses, and stagflation, people are now 'under water' in that they owe more than their homes appraise for.
Trickle down economics and the Republican Tax policies have lined the pockets of the richest 1% to 2% while literally puting the 'weight of the world' on the backs of the American Middle Class! Please believe me that SandyH is not alone in her plight, this is primarily a 'product' of Republican Rule and not simply the American Middle Class 'living beyond it's means.'
chassie on November 5, 2008 at 05:34 PM
chssie,
I really don't think we are really in that much of a disagreement.
Everyone will have to sacrifice in this economic downturn. It's far from getting better anytime soon. But if we have raised our children well, they will not abandon us in our old age. They will make the necessary changes in their lives to make their parents comfortable.
I firmly believe that it is the responsibility of one generation not to leave the next one without any hope. By electing Barack Obama we have taken the first step in correcting a situation which my generation let get out of control.
I respect your views and insights. We will just have to agree to disagree sometimes...if we really are disagreeing.
Peace.
sarah palin is gullible and naive.
sarah palin was easily fooled by a canadian disc jockey who pretended to be the president of france.
sarah palin is not very smart.
marymac_memphis on November 5, 2008 at 06:07 PM
Marymac, and Sandy, i love both of you, and both of you are very good people, but your missing the point. (Everybody has to live well within there means no matter what there income is.) If you don' think I'm right then that is your interpretation, but just look at the one's that makes say 250,00 to 500,00 per year, they got the same problems that poor people have, because they are living above there means. ( And that is the end of that story)! You will not win this argument with me!!
Chassie:
One of my favorite economists is Joseph Stiglitz, who is a Nobel Prize Winner and a Professor of Economics at Columbia. He has written a couple of GREAT overviews and started predicting the current economic crisis over 3 years ago.
This article if from December of last year:
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/12/bush200712
This one is in the current issue of Vanity Fair:
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/11/stiglitz200811
They are both excellent reads.
Sandy i don't think that we are disagreeing that much just a little bit, but that little bit is what makes a difference over a life time, of financial stability.
I "Love You" and respect You, please don't get mad at me for stating, what i belief in, PLEASE.
chassie on November 5, 2008 at 05:55 PM
chassie,
It was George W. Bush who told these kids (and all the rest of us) after 9/11 to go out and shop.
It was his complete disregard for the principles that you stated and his corrupt policies that lead to so many people living on credit, making risky investments, and assuming that life can only get easier if you put off taking responsibility for your actions.
I don't think there has ever been a world leader who has deliberately done this to his own people. Sure, people should have had more common sense and smelled a rat. But remember the Republicans have conditioned Americans for nearly 40 years now to think they were family values, morally superior beings.
Who could have thought they were swindlers? These were supposedly reputable, honest men. Bush certainly didn't fool you and me, but he and his Republican Congress scammed millions of others. It's the greatest heist of personal fortunes in history. The slight of hand was masterful.
When a nation can't trust the people who they've entrusted their future, it's time to get rid of them. We got rid of some of them yesterday. But the rest of them are still there and plotting their next move to fool the sheeple again.
We have to help the younger generation now or the Republicans will try again to destroy this nation for their own personal gain and glory.
So what do you have against cell phones? They can be expensive if you don't shop around for the right plan. But the the newer ones are a great way to communicate and share information. You can catch a Republican saying something stupid and put it up on U-Tube in minutes.
When I say Obama
You say Ayers
Obama
Ayers
Obama
Ayers
I built me a bridge it ain't going nowhere
Ooooooohhhhhh!
In Wasilla
we just chill baby chilla
But when I see oil
Drill baby drilla
chassie on November 5, 2008 at 06:20 PM
I agree that people need to live within their means; however, when just regular living expenses increase at 20 to 30% and wages go down instead of up - it's extremely difficult to do so much less save for the future. Before I married my current husband, I had a house, he had a condo and then after we married he inherited a home from a grandparent. All are paid for - thankfully - but we are trying to sell two of the three (we don't care which two) and the market is so depressed that we are renting two of them for the property taxes, insurance and upkeep monies. We are just barely breaking even. I saved 10% per month religiously - all my life and in the last five years, I haven't been able to save even 1% per month. Almost everyone I know is in the same boat. While I realize that some have done as you said - lived beyond their means - at least an equal number are victims of the Republican economic policies.
chassie on November 5, 2008 at 06:30 PM
chassie,
I couldn't get mad at you if I wanted.
I've been on this blog for over four years now and have had disagreement on policy or philosophy with each and every one of the rest of the posters here.
Democrats come in many shapes and forms. We have a big tent which attracts people with diverse ideas and backgrounds. We are all passionate about what we believe.
Please don't think I would get angry with you expressing your opinion.
You are no Independent, Stevie-o ! Just because you may not have signed up for a party, you are a Hard Core, Religious Right Zealot. You have blinders on, and your Holy Roller , fanatical values are what guide you. You refuse to just mind you own business, there in the backwoods where you belong, and just leave other people to their own lives, and to their own hard decisions. You refuse to believe there is any woman who went for an abortion, who did not labor with the question ahead of time. Fate would be kind if they would have your daughter approach you and tell you she is a lesbian coming out of the closet, and this is her partner. Would you love her less? Would she sicken you?
You are such a small, small man. You just don't know it, Steve, you just don't know it.
Now, with our Victory in mind, and knowing your stomach is sick to death today, I can only wanly smile at your efforts to pretend that none of this matters, and that Sarah Palin might really become the future of the party. Turn on your TV old man, listen to what Republicans are all saying. They do not WANT her or that image for their party if they want to win. Good luck with your wet dreams. That's all they are !
O.K. Ladies, i can see that i'm not going to win this debate. But my belief will not change. Sandy, and Mary-Mac you are using excuses, and that is all they are, which reminds me of my living children. Sandy i don't have a damn thing against Cell Phone's, that was just a example of how working people waste there money over a life time. Cigarettes, and Chewing, and drinking are other examples over a life time. T.V. that people pay for but never watch, ( I"M GUILTY ) All i was trying to say is these little things over a life time is millions of dollars, compounded on interest, that's it. And since you both are women that this debate is going on with, maybe your little things are eyebrows, hairdows, the spa. whatever, you know what i am saying its millions over a life time.
Go ahead and buy the big things like a house, and a car, the point is this, that the little things is what destroys most working peoples wealth.
Chassie: The Republican Economic policies are one of the many, many reasons that I was so determined to elect a Democratic President. I'm very angry with my fellow Tennesseans and feel that they voted against their own best interests when they voted for J. McCain. I read alot about economics and the economy of the USA has suffered under every Republican President since Nixon. Not one of them has been a 'good steward of the economy' and I am so very happy that we elected President elect Obama and that he will be working with majorities in both houses of Congress. When the economy grows for the middle class under the administration of Pres. Obama, the way that it did under Pres. Clinton, you will see a vast difference from the last 8 years.
mary,
You have made some excellent points. The markets and economy are completely out of control. Those with the least amount of education or financial means are going to be hit the hardest.
I guess I'm like an evangelical Christian when it comes to this. We have to watch out for those with the least among us. We have to empower the young to make the necessary changes we oldsters neglected to make.
But I also agree with chassie that there comes a time when you have to kick them out of the nest and ask them to be responsible for their actions.
What a state Alaska is ! Ted Young, Stevens, and Palin ! Three Republicans for the Wall of Shame! You betcha !
Will the Re-Election of Convicted Felon Ted Stevens Lead to Sen. Sarah Palin?
by Meg White
Yesterday's election was historic in many ways. The shock and joy here in Chicago over our own Sen. Barack Obama becoming the first black president in the history of the United States was tangible in the streets. But there were local races that made history right alongside Obama. For example, Anita Alvarez hit a double-whammy in Chicagoland as the very first Hispanic and first woman to be elected Cook County State's Attorney. Little ripples of historic change just like Alvarez's followed the Obama win all over the country.
Much of this allows for a huge grin and a sigh of, "Only in America." But there is a dark side to history-making as well, and it rears its head this morning in Alaska. That state is likely to be the first to return a convicted felon to the U.S. Senate.
Though Sen. Ted Stevens hasn't yet been confirmed as the winner of the Alaska Senate race, as of today, CNN has Stevens up over Anchorage Mayor Mark Begich by more than 3,000 votes with 99 percent of precincts reporting.
chassie on November 5, 2008 at 06:50 PM
I apologize for the cell phone crack. I thought I was changing the subject with a little (very little) humor.
Incidentally, I only use mine to talk with my husband which I could do on our land line anytime...or when I get lost.
My kids only talk to me when we run out of milk...or when they are unsure of themselves and need Mom to give them a pep talk.
The technology changes, but the conversation is still the same, no?
191marymac_memphis on November 5, 2008 at 06:40 PM
Marymac, your going to be OK, just let things work out. Quit worrying your on the right track. When ever you sell those 2 out of 3 properties, take some of the profit and enjoy yourselves, but after you do that be prudent, and start putting more away, so you don't have to sit and watch them 4 walls like so many Old Folks are doing. And then when you quit working you will be able to do what you what to do to a certain degree.
Your smart, i got all the faith in the world in you, you'll get there i can forecast this right now. All you got to do is follow thur, and you will be suprized at what you have accomplished.
sally has the shamelessness to show up here talking about how much sarah did for the ticket?????holy shit!!!
"If you take the average of the 3 top polls, Hussein Obama's lead is now only 3.7 points. If you consider that is virtually within the margin of error and subtract the Bradley effect, it is shaping up to be a McCain landslide.
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Sally-* on October 18, 2008 at 10:54 PM"
we can only hope that sarah will be a major player in the repulican party for many years to come as it shrinks and shrinks and shrinks....
Chassie: I love you too! You are a great, great Democrat and We agree in principle. I have either given (as wedding present in lieu of big wedding) or loaned all 3 of my oldest children enough money to put down at least 15% on the purchase of their first home. I would have preferred that they wait until they could put down 20 to 25% but with rents in this area being higher than payments on 30 yr. traditional fixed home loans, what was the point? Seriously, my 26 yr. old, was able to, with 15% down, get a home for $80 less per month than a decent (not top of the line - just decent) two bedroom apartment. So why not buy instead of rent? She's 'underwater' due to the market but she is okay for the moment and hopefully will stay so until the housing market rebounds - which it - of course - will.
I'm not trying to make excuses, I'm just trying to make the point that the Republican economic and tax policies have put an unfair amount of the financial burden for the country upon the shoulders of the middle class and that the negative growth in 'our' sector of the economy is now reflected in the wall street markets and other areas of the economy. Yes, the richest 1 to 2% are paying 38% of the taxes but they are enjoying over 65% of the wealth. Pres. Elect Obama understands and intends to change the tax policies to ensure that we, the middle class, are provided a fair tax rate, one that reflects our portion of the income and until we rid ourselves of these unfair republican policies, we will not have middle class growth and the economy of the world will suffer as a result.
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marymac_memphis on November 5, 2008 at 05:06 PM
I've never been in -65 degree weather, but I can tell you that -50 degrees is pretty chilly. ;-D
201gregg on November 5, 2008 at 07:10 PM
Gregg i usually agree with you but this time your wrong. Sally does not have any shame, whats so ever.
His prediction of a 60 to 40 percent win. Was crap, that you and i and others knew all along.
His prediction about the Moose, is wrong to, her party will eat her alive, before breakfast.
Evening all good Dems,
A train load of military equipment is heading east up Abo Canyon. What does cheney have up his sleeve?
I tuned in briefly to hannity, limpballs, parschall and bates today just to see if they have mellowed. They are as shrill as ever calling Obama herbert hoover and how "liberals" have no respect for the Constitution and how "liberals" are going to raise your taxes and cut the military to the bone. These aholes have no intention of coming together and mending fences like Obama wants to do.
F**K THEM!
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BRADLEY EFFECT?
White Americans play major role in electing the first black president
Race proves to be no discernible handicap, even among the small-town, working-class whites who were considered most resistant to Obama.
206Johne on November 5, 2008 at 07:33 PM
Herbert Hoover was a republican.
FDR is a Democrat.
..........................
Bush = Hoover
Obama = FDR
.......................
Hoover/FBI = Bush/CIA
FDR/WWII = Obama/War on Terrorism
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It's funny how history repeats itself.
If History is way to tell the future......
PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA COULD BE ONE OF THE GREATEST PRESIDENTS IN THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY.
AMAZING.
Merkley has a 2464 lead over Smith in Oregon with about 76% reporting.
Go Merkley!
If you want to hear something funny:
Listen to sarah palin make a fool of herself.
It's hillarious.
Good evening, everyone. About a week ago, the carpenter was in the drive-way working on his truck, when one of the locals pulled up and told him that he always knows who are the best candidates to vote for by the signs in my yard and he told the carpenter to thank me for it.
Tonight I came home and found Obama/Biden and Zack Space signs lining my driveway! What a sight! I have a feeling it was a "gift" from the local that paid a visit last week.
;)
Here is a prediction for greggy:
There is no way that a Christian nation like America is going to elect a socialist/communist, fairy loving, gun rights denying, baby killer, ass frickin clown such as Hussein frickin Obama.
Take it to the bank.
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Sally-* on November 1, 2008 at 04:17 AM
Here's the truth for you! The Democratic Party is the party of FAITH!
Why did you keep telling people to take it to the bank? Haven't you heard, the government owns the banks now.
Economy is the mandate if any, not any of the liberals ideas.
77JaunC on November 5, 2008 at 03:10 PM
We knew that, but I'm glad it makes you feel smart by sharing that little tidbit.
Butte: Negative 50 degrees? I didn't know that it got that cold north of the south pole? Are you serious? I can't even imagine how cold that is!
Go Merkley!
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grammyC on November 5, 2008 at 07:59 PM
I'll second that!!!! Go Merkley!
geez, the republicans and the trolls are wrong about everything.
If repugs were "smart" they would run Gov. Bobby Jindal in 16 years.
g'evening, marymac. exactly. we're just lounging and watching tv here.
Esmeralda on November 5, 2008 at 08:22 PM
Esme - if the repugs were smart - they wouldn't be repugs - they would be Dems!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/06/us/politics/06elect.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
After a Decisive Victory, Obama Chooses Transition Team as Challenges Loom
With his history-making election behind him, President-elect Barack Obama was moving ahead with his transition on Wednesday as he prepared to confront the daunting challenges that he will have to face as president in just 76 days, amid two wars and the gravest economic crisis to afflict the country since the Great Depression.
...
if they wanted to when the presidency, they should have run Jindal as VP. He is truly conservative and could have energized the base. He talks intelligently too.
oh well, I'm not in charge of repug politics. hahaha
it's going to be so exciting the next 75 days, watching and learning about President Elect Obama's TEAM. And then, the first 100 days! I'm stoked!!!
New Jersey Gov. Corzine Is Being Vetted for Treasury Secretary, Two New Jersey Democrats Say
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/11/sources_corzine_being_vetted_f.html
Gov. Jon Corzine, a multimillionaire and former Wall Street chief executive, is being actively vetted by the Obama transition team as a possible candidate for Treasury secretary in the new administration, two New Jersey Democrats familiar with the process said early this morning.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27550469/
Hard choices and challenges follow triumph
Wed. night UFC fights are on. Good golly, Spider has it already! Less than a minute!
Enjoy the evening, everyone.
How precious is your steadfast love, O God!
All people may take refuge
in the shadow of your wings.
They feast on the abundance of your house,
and you give them drink from
the river of your delights.
For with you is the fountain of life;
in your light we see light.
- Psalm 36:7-9
Is someone effing kidding me? She honestly didn't know that Africa is a continent? Okay - now this is just too much!
WATCH McCain Camp Tells Fox News Reporter: Palin "Didn't Understand That Africa Was A Continet"
I love Paul Krugman!
November 5, 2008, 8:25 am
The monster years
Last night wasn’t just a victory for tolerance; it wasn’t just a mandate for progressive change; it was also, I hope, the end of the monster years.
What I mean by that is that for the past 14 years America’s political life has been largely dominated by, well, monsters. Monsters like Tom DeLay, who suggested that the shootings at Columbine happened because schools teach students the theory of evolution. Monsters like Karl Rove, who declared that liberals wanted to offer “therapy and understanding” to terrorists. Monsters like Dick Cheney, who saw 9/11 as an opportunity to start torturing people.
And in our national discourse, we pretended that these monsters were reasonable, respectable people. To point out that the monsters were, in fact, monsters, was “shrill.”
Four years ago it seemed as if the monsters would dominate American politics for a long time to come. But for now, at least, they’ve been banished to the wilderness.
Evening Dems. This one caught my eye.
I was ready to give up on Americans a couple years ago. They have Awakened from their hypnotic state, and decided they were not going to take it anymore! What an energized force came out yesterday!!
In Many States, Voters Reject Anti-Choice Ballot Initiatives
Stevie, Stevie, you only get angry and rant at me, when I prove you wrong ! When you gut is filled with anger like it has been since Obama was called the winner last night-----and you are too stupid just to stay away from here where you have made fool after fool of yourself with your predictions! Give it up, old man, you know you are seen as a loser here.
Based on the current numbers and the fact that white liberals are lying to the polsters, Mcain will defeat Hussein by 56% - 44%.
Take it to the bank.
Sally-* on November 2, 2008 at 06:44 AM
OK Veneita, but remember that Hussein must have a 10 point lead in the polls in order to win on accounta the Bradley effect and turnout and other factors.
This is likely to be a year of big Republican turnout, not because of McCain, but because of Sarah, queer marriage amendments in CA and elsewhere, Hussein's racist and terrorist background, Hussein's communist/socialist beliefs, Supreme Court Justices and Hussein's associations.
In this time of war, I cannot imagine the American people turning to a pussy like Hussein Obama. You will probably pick up some Senate and House seats though. And with McCain in the White House you are likely to get some dopey shit passed.
Sally-* on November 2, 2008 at 04:27 AM
Watch Hussein Obama's numbers crumble this week. It always happens that way when you nominate a liberal moonbat i.e. McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry.
Sally-* on October 25, 2008 at 04:25 AM
In my 56 years of watching presidential elections, I have never seen one easier to predict than this one. Obama loses 60% - 40%. It is a lead pipe sinch.
Mark it down.
Posted by Sally-* on August 23, 2008 at 02:54 AM
So it shall be written.
So shall it be done.
Posted by Sally-* on August 23, 2008 at 03:01 AM
Another prediction for greggy. "There is no way that the American people are gonna elect a Negro of Muslim origin during a time of war against muslim slugs"
Mark it down.
Posted by Sally*Sally* on June 28, 2008 at 05:43 AM
WE DID IDIOT! WE DID
Here is a prediction for greggy. This is not a taunt. This is a prediction.
If Obama is the candidate he will not carry more than 4 states. Massachusetts will be one of them.
Posted by FrostyMilkweed on May 30, 2008 at 04:54 AM
I knew political correctness would eventually be the undoing of y'all and this election will be the clincher. You are about to nominate an inexperienced, unelectable candidate simply because he is a Negro.
Posted by FrostyMilkweed on May 23, 2008 at 04:58 AM
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Any thoughts of winning seats in Congress with an ass clown like Hussein on top of the ticket are foolish. You will be lucky to maintain status quo.
Posted by FrostyMilkweed on May 23, 2008 at 06:27 AM
McCain and Hillary would be close. McCain Obama will not be. Obama will carry as many states as McGovern did. I think he carried Massachusetts or Mondale who carried Minnesota.
Obama could lose all 50 states. That would be a first.
Leave it tho the Democrats to select a candidate that will lose in a landslide to a whistle ass like McCain.
Posted by FrostyMilkweed on May 22, 2008 at 02:59 AM
AND YOU HAVE THE NUTS TO COME BACK IN HERE? YOU ARE ONE SICK OLD MAN. MARK THAT DOWN. TAKE THAT TO THE BANK. SO IT SHALL BE, SO IT SHALL BE DONE!!!!!
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
This is a great day now I can not wait for the festivities on 1-20-08 when he officially becomes President of the United states. I woke up feeling like ther was hope and change was actually on the way. I 'm ready willing and able to help to get the job done.
Sorry, Mary Mac and other Dems. I just get such a kick out of proving what a fool Stevie is.
I must say, the only troll with enough self esteem , not to return has been MN Tom/Harpo/gazoo ! Stevie and Danny are both two white trash guys with no life outside of here.
I am still smiling over Obama's win. I have left my Obama and local candidate signs up in my yard. The Mccain ones all went down early this morning. I smirked and nodded as I went by their houses! I shall leave mine up until the snow takes them down.
heading out for the evening. Went shopping for lighting and paint tonight with my daughter, tomorrow is granite. I will be thrilled when her house is finished .
BE WELL DEMS. WE HAVE LOTS OF WORK IN FRONT OF US. Keep your eye on Bush Cheney. they will try and sneak in as many dirty underhanded things that they can.
blog ya tomorrow.
Mr. President Elect Barack H. Obama;
Greetings from the Family of Ms. Lovesta Johnson Jones & her children and grandchildren: (Mr. G. Henry Fumbah & Family, Mr. Dazia Fumbah & Family, Mr. Alex Fumbah & Family, Mrs. Henrietta Fumbah & Family, and Ms. Miatta M. Dennis & soon to be family).
We extend our greetings & sympathy on the loss of your Grandmother to you, your family, and all your loved ones. May GOD bless you as you cherish her memory...we thank GOD for what she imparted in you! May all the departed souls that pre-deceased her..rest in peace and light perpetual shine upon them!
GOD Bless You All!
I don't have much time to spend here tonight.
But I thought I would share a couple of interesting quotes from our idiot trolls.
And there is no viable, electable Democrat candidate - Hillary will fold like Larry's lawn chair when the Republicans remind us of all the sleaze she has been involved in. They have had 16 years to compile it all. Obama is unelectable because the rank and file won't vote for him because he is a Negro and swing voters won't vote for him because he has no experience.
Posted by FrostyCapone on November 9, 2007 at 10:50 PM
Face facts Paaaaaamela Daaaaaarling, Hillary's going to get her wide ass kicked to the curb by the fine democrats at the polls and at the convention and the great Mohammad Obama is going to get his ticket torn by the majority of the American public in the general elections.
Your bitter dreams of regaining America in your lifetime will never come to fruition, not at all.
HONK HONK HONK YOU COMMIES ASSHATS!!!!!!!!!!!
AAAAA... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Harpos_got_your_back_Pam_its_heavy_as_hell on January 10, 2008 at 08:31 PM
The argument has been gaining steam that obama is the candidate that has the best chance of winning a landslide election in november
Posted by queencityjefro on February 7, 2008 at 11:02 PM
That is nutty talk. Candidates similar to Obama always lose in a landslide - McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis et al. A wild eyed liberal like Obama has no chance of winning let alone winning in a landslide.
Posted by ArmPits on February 7, 2008 at 11:15 PM
Looks like the Dems are fixing to grab defeat out of the jaws of victory again.
The Republicans have their candidate now. The Democrats are gonna be fighting it out till September and then when the Super delegates decide on who the winner is, half of the Democrats are gonna be plenty pissed. Especially if the supers give Hillary the nod.
Posted by ArmPits on February 7, 2008 at 10:58 PM
Poor stupid little republican dupes. They never learn, do they?
A few more from our pet republican dupes:
Obama,
Supported by every commie asswipe and now Hamas.
Fat chance of him being elected President.
Posted by *D____Cactus*__ on April 26, 2008 at 12:25 PM
Hussein Obama has no chance to win. His "Spiritual Mentor" is a flaming racist, communist and anti American. And Obama never noticed any of that in 20 years.
If Obama is the nominee he will be correctly labeled a communist in time for the election.
Obama would lose, even to a whistle ass like McCain, 60% to 40%.
Posted by FrostyMilkweed on May 3, 2008 at 03:54 AM
Late last year I predicted that 2008 would be the beginning of the end of the dopey theory of human induced global frickin warmin. It appears that I am right on target in that prediction. (The earth has been cooling for 11 years)
My prediction that Al Gore will replace Jimmy Carter as our nations greatest political fool still stands as well.
Posted by FrostyMilkweed on May 3, 2008 at 04:43 AM
Democratic voter reg is WAY UP. Thank you, W.
Posted by Big_Yellow_Dog on May 4, 2008 at 05:43 PM
No, it is thanks to Rush and operation chaos. Those guys won't be voting Democrat in the general election though.
Posted by FrostyMilkweed on May 4, 2008 at 06:42 PM
The democrats plan to grap defeat out of the jaws of sure victory, is working.
Posted by Dan_A_Cactus** on August 16, 2008 at 11:21 AM
JaunC on November 5, 2008 at 11:01 PM
Dufus,
You look even more stupid on THIS side of the election. What's the matter? Don't you like having your nose rubbed in all your STUPID predictions and opinions?
Poor stupid little republican dupe
A few more.
It does not matter how much money Obama raises, the American people are not going to elect a communist, racist, unqualified and inexperienced asshat, who happens to be a Negro. Those are the kind of qualifications it takes to get nominated in the moonbat dominated Democrat Party.
Posted by Sally-* on August 16, 2008 at 03:12 PM
The Dnc will have to ban all of you anyway when Hilary takes over because Obama drops like a rock in next weeks polls.
Posted by Dan_A_Cactus** on August 17, 2008 at 03:47 PM
Late October is prime time for "The Big Bomb". That's when McCain's people will bring out several items against Obama that will make him look very bad. Then come election time McCain will be elected and become our next president.
Now won't that be just grand?
Posted by TheGreatGazoo on August 24, 2008 at 10:03 PM
Well DoPeyDoodle, ABC is not a reliable news source and it matters not who is collecting the most money from service people. If Hussein is collecting more it is because he is collecting it from people who are fired up about his candidacy. McCain doesn't fire anyone up but when it comes time to vote, the military will vote 60% - 40% Republican just like always.
Posted by Sally-* on August 27, 2008 at 08:01 PM
This place is gonna be damn funny on election night when Hussein Obama loses 60 - 40%.
Posted by Sally-* on August 30, 2008 at 01:41 PM
McCain with the fair Sarah will win 60% - 40%.
Posted by Sally-* on September 1, 2008 at 05:22 AM
Poor stupid little republican dupes
Mr. President Elect Barack H. Obama;
Greetings from Ms. Lovesta Jones & Families;
We give our Heavenly Father Thanks for creating you, molding you..for you to become our first Black President of the United States of America! You are continuing the journey of the Late Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. to bring peace to the world, equality, GOD's love, and CHANGE that the world may see all human beings as equals! We trust and believe that GOD will continue to use you and direct your path as you govern this great country! May HE grant you wisdom, knowledge, and understanding and protect you and your familiy; and the VP and familiy, and all of your Cabinet Ministers!
Blessings, In Jesus Name
Amen
May GOD Bless
If anyone wants to see more quotes/predictions from the idiotic republican dupes, let me know. I'm working my way through from the front (earliest). I'm only on page 4 of 11.
What a great two days this has been
What a rare mood I'm in
Why, it's almost like being in love
There's a smile on my face
For the whole human race
Why, it's almost like being in love
On behalf of all Canadians I want to thank all the Americans that voted for Obama. We are elated that change is a coming....thank god. We couldn't take another Republican clusterf.... We held an opinion poll up here and Obama had an approval rating in the 90% range. We would love to have him for Prime Minister.....Good Luck and best wishes in turning things around. Incredibly happy up here and congratulations!
236PamB on November 5, 2008 at 10:22 PM blog ya tomorrow.
bummer - missed, Pam.
wow the trolls still show up. really absurd. i see chicago is keeping the flame lit at the bush/troll library.
i am not sure why any of us are here never mind the trolls...i mean we won so big all my attention for awhile will be watching the obama team come together, watching world events under bush continue to get more and more fucked up and having some laughs at the expense of the republicans and their friends in the media....rush was really funny this afternoon. he takes no responsibility for the election outcome even though he was the real creator of the mcbush campaign approach. and fox news is going on about the incredibly important issues about who will be what leader in the gelded republican house reps group....they take time out to throw palin under the bus again ( shit the bus, then the trolley, then the cable car, then the horse and buggy and then the cable man...) green lighting cameron or whatever the fuck his name is to tell us all that palin didn't know africa was a continent, threw temper tantrums about her media coverage, refused to practice for debates with that fetching blond harvard woman who was trying to run the runaway bus mcbush campaign.....
...sooo i guess i'll stop by here for the friends i've made and to share various witticisms, observatoins and inanities but what pray tell are the trolls getting out of this now that they have been totally vanquished???
251CanadiansForChange on November 5, 2008 at 11:27 PM We are elated that change is a coming....thank god.
We are elated too - a little drained from the effort perhaps - but elated none the less.
254gregg on November 5, 2008 at 11:30 PM i am not sure why any of us are here
I'm here for good spahgetti gravy recipes. DPD's looks like it might be a pretty good one.
wow the trolls still show up. really absurd. i see chicago is keeping the flame lit at the bush/troll library.
i am not sure why any of us are here never mind the trolls...i mean we won so big all my attention for awhile will be watching the obama team come together, watching world events under bush continue to get more and more fucked up and having some laughs at the expense of the republicans and their friends in the media....rush was really funny this afternoon. he takes no responsibility for the election outcome even though he was the real creator of the mcbush campaign approach. and fox news is going on about the incredibly important issues about who will be what leader in the gelded republican house reps group....they take time out to throw palin under the bus again ( shit the bus, then the trolley, then the cable car, then the horse and buggy and then the cable man...) green lighting cameron or whatever the fuck his name is to tell us all that palin didn't know africa was a continent, threw temper tantrums about her media coverage, refused to practice for debates with that fetching blond woman who was trying to run the runaway bus mcbush campaign.....
...sooo i guess i'll stop by here for the friends i've made and to share various witticisms, observations and inanities but what pray tell are the trolls getting out of this now that they have been totally vanquished???
254gregg on November 5, 2008 at 11:30 PM wow the trolls still show up. really absurd. i see chicago is keeping the flame lit at the bush/troll library.
In today's world - this is how the melting pot melts us I guess - O'Reilly cuts people off whenever they threaten to start melting ideas together - Rush is anti-melting period, and "conservative" radio only melts brains cells.
good point dors. not to mention the cheese and who did or did not cut it.
there is so much to savor about the election. we should all try to sip it very slowly and deeply.
good night.
It's morning in America.
Here on the pulse of this new day
You may have the grace to look up and out
And into your sister's eyes, into
Your brother's face, your country
And say simply
Very simply
With hope
Good morning.
Good evening, all.
Just passing through to share an interesting artcle.
I'd find this hilarious if it wasn't so ironic. AhmadiNutjob's interior minister gets caught lying and the Iranian Parliament kicks him out.
While Bush and his entire cabinet lied and/or committed perjury and other felonies and the Republicans still want us to believe they are regular guys? We should offer them thanks and give them all a gold watch as they leave in Januray?
Minister’s Dismissal Is Setback for Iranian Leader
By NAZILA FATHI
Published: November 4, 2008
TEHRAN — The Iranian Parliament voted Tuesday to dismiss a top government minister, another setback for President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad eight months before he faces a presidential election.
Parliament dismissed the interior minister, Ali Kordan, on charges of dishonesty and lying about a fake honorary doctorate he said he had received from Oxford. Of the 247 members present, 188 voted to fire Mr. Kordan, while only 45 voted against dismissal. Fourteen members abstained.
Analysts said the vote underlined the assertiveness of Parliament amid a growing economic crisis. Inflation is running at 30 percent, and falling oil prices — Iran has the third largest known oil reserves in the world — are undermining the government’s budget. The impeachment suggested that Mr. Ahmadinejad could be losing many political allies before the presidential vote next June.
Parliament had urged the president to dismiss Mr. Kordan after he refused to resign. But Mr. Ahmadinejad called the dismissal “illegal” and said Mr. Kordan’s forged degree was nothing more than “a piece of torn paper,” hardly worthy of a scandal. He also refused to appear in Parliament to defend his minister, though many of the lawmakers who voted for Mr. Kordan’s dismissal were among Mr. Ahmadinejad’s political allies.
In his defense, Mr. Kordan said that his 30 years of service to Iran was worth more than a degree...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/05/world/middleeast/05iran.html?th&emc=th
The similarities between Bush and NutJob are startling. For instance, Bush has been quoted as saying the Constitution is "just a piece of paper"...which he proceeded to tear up.
Bush considers any attempts by Congress to obtain White House documents or even question key officials as "illegal" because of Executive Privilege.
Just think of all those years of "distinguished" service that Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Greenspan, and Paulson gave us...certainly worth more than any degree? Their performance has been priceless?
Considering this country is in a similar economic crisis, perhaps it's time Congress got more "assertive" when it comes to questioning All The President's Men?
Now that the election is over, it's time to haul their asses back into Congressional hearings to explain how they screwed up and what the Obama administration should not repeat. Since we could never get them to deliver adequate service, we should at least be given the privilege of knowing how they arrived at such a grand scale of incompetence.
Why should the taxpayers have to pay to get the details when they all write books after they leave office?
Paulson has had $700,000 billion for more than six weeks now and the banks still aren't lending money. What happened to the promised liquidity? What are Paulson's whiz kid friends from the financial banks doing with the bailout money?
Who is minding the store till Obama takes over?
The Lame Duck and his cast of Quakers owe us an explanation...now.
My friends welcome to history and change it's here.
Obama-Biden 08
"If you take the average of the 3 top polls, Hussein Obama's lead is now only 3.7 points. If you consider that is virtually within the margin of error and subtract the Bradley effect, it is shaping up to be a McCain landslide.
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Sally-* on October 18, 2008 at 10:54 PM"
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
So Silly is still pontificating to himself all alone every night. Pathetic. He really needs to seek help.
Good morning, gregg.
Good morning, Kathy.
Remember when Sarah McFailin was talking about being in "Real America" with "Real Americans"?
Well, let's see what the "Real Americans" thought of that two bit nitwit and her Grampy.
Results for Guilford County, where Sarah Palin made her remarks about real Americans in pro-America parts of the country:Obama/Biden 58.75%
McCain/Palin 40.44%HAHAHA!! They told her to ride her snow machine back to the Outback and stay the Hell away from the REAL America that WE know and love and have no desire to secede from.
More on foreign comments on our new President. what a breath of fresh air after this stinking republican stranglehold we have had for over 15 years.
"Russian politicians are being cautiously optimistic about Barack Obama’s triumphant victory at the election.
Russia’s major media outlets and prominent politicians said prior to the voting in the United States that building relations with Russia would become one of the serious tests for the new American president. Spokespeople for Obama’s headquarters stated after the victory of their candidate that Obama would obviously defend USA’s interests although he would be able to find a pragmatic base for cooperation with Russia."
More.............
Russian politicians being cautiously optimistic about new American phenomenon
Kathy,
I understand that rupert murdoch owns fox news and
is the one who pays hannity. he just signed a $200 million contract with this loser.
rupert's son is a liberal and should tell his father to take a walk. This would be a tremendous change if we can get rid of hannity by not giving him a platform to lie and slander all Democrats like he does every day.
Three cheers for Hugo Chavez. We got rid of the brainless and arrogant repuke administraton.
Please Welcome Oregon Democrat Jeff Merkley to the Senate.
They have called the race For Jeff Merkley, Beating Republican Senator Gordon Smith. (YES!!!)
http://www.oregonlive.com/special/index.ssf/2008/11/senate.html
You dopes don't have clue do you? You can't even tell when you are being taunted. You even save the taunts for years and years.
249Sally-* on November 5, 2008 at 11:26 PM
hahahahahahahahahahahaha
NOW they are merely taunts? His "take this to the bank" His "so it is, so it shall be" were taunts? NOT narcisstic predictions conjured up in a sick head? Not distortions, lies, koolaid rhetoric? Not a sign of a very disturbed, racist, homophobic, small man?
Oh, Stevie. Your Father and Mother are rolling over and over in their graves. No wonder they dis-owned you.
Morning Dems. Heading out shortly.
yes, gregg, those trolls who have no self pride, no self esteem , and their guts are filled with hatred continue to come in here.
Danny lurked all night and morning yesterday, afraid to come in and face us, till he finally broke down in the afternoon. You get a full picture now of what this man is made out of. Just another sick old man, with zero life, with kids who have nothing to do with him, and a wife who is relieved he is out of her sight. I actually feel pity when I think of his and Sally's lives.
But we ended up with the last laugh! We ended up the winners--they the losers. We are in the majority of REAL Americans who care about this country, the Constitution, etc, and they care nothing but themselves.
Thank goodness they are both so old. We shall be here long after they are gone to their big Republican meetup in hell!
that IS good news GrammyC
Keep your fingers crossed for the other 3. That would be a dream come true!!
Dems Gain in Oregon Senate Race, Three Other Races Unresolved
By Rachel Kapochunas and Marie Horrigan, CQ Staff
By the end of election night, it was clear that the Democratic Party had gained at least five seats in the Senate.
And, 24 hours later, the Democrats appeared to have increased their take to a full half-dozen, as Oregon Democrat Jeff Merkley pulled ahead of two-term Republican Sen. Gordon Smith with most of the yet-to-be counted votes in strongly Democratic-voting areas. The Oregonian newspaper in Portland projected a victory for Merkley, the Speaker of the Oregon House, and CQ Politics’ independent analysis of the outstanding votes concurs with that conclusion
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000002983043
KATHY,
At last count it was 56 according to CNN. With Merkley it is 57.
I heard a good one the other day. Someone was saying that Obama's grandmother was going to be voting in Heaven for her grandson. There aren't any repukes up there so Obama should be a shoe-in.
Good morning, all.
Japanese researchers make brain tissues from stem cells
Thu Nov 6
TOKYO (AFP) – Japanese researchers said Thursday they had created functioning human brain tissues from stem cells, a world first that has raised new hopes...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081106/ts_afp/healthsciencestemcelljapan
Good news for sally* and Sarah Palin?
The rats are regrouping...
Bill Berkowitz: Heritage Foundation gears up to 'fight back against resurgent left'
The Washington, D.C.-based think tank, which celebrated its 35th anniversary earlier this year, sensed an Obama victory and got a head start on trolling for money....
Support Heritage's work to defend conservative ideas after the election.
Heritage is doing the important work to fight for and defend conservative ideas against the toughest of obstacles. Our record tells the story: we helped shape President Reagan's agenda, helped beat back Bill Clinton's big-government health care plan, successfully fought for welfare reform and the Bush tax cuts, and helped lay the groundwork for missile defense.
We have a concrete plan to defend and advance our cause. As part of our Leadership for America campaign, we have developed a plan to work for real change in ten key areas, reforms that will help keep America a remarkable nation...
Fuellner is undoubtedly correct when he writes: "In Washington, there are no permanent victories and no permanent defeats. We must remain firmly committed to our principles in both good times and in bad. That's why your help is so important."
Liberals and progressives should understand and adopt this credo as well.
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/contributors/1836
Apparently, the multinationals never gave McCain a chance and were scurrying around in the shadows setting up a new maze for the sheeple to navigate after the election.
grammyC on November 6, 2008 at 09:26 AM
Yay Merkley!
Kathy_from_BLUE_Indiana on November 6, 2008 at 10:56 AM
KATHY,
How about war crimes, crimes against humanity and crimes against peace?
Kathy_from_BLUE_Indiana on November 6, 2008 at 10:56 AM
Kathy,
They will do the same Whitewater job on Obama as they did to Clinton. But this time we are prepared for it.
Gotta run. later.
CNN) -- Two men accused of plotting to kill Barack Obama and other African-Americans have been indicted on charges including making threats against a presidential candidate, federal officials said Wednesday.
A federal grand jury in Tennessee indicted Daniel Cowart, 20, and Paul Schlesselman, 18, on the threat charges and with illegal possession of a sawed-off shotgun and conspiracy to rob a federally licensed gun dealer.
According to court documents, Cowart and Schlesselman -- who authorities said are self-described white supremacists -- planned to kill more than 100 African-Americans, including 14 who would be beheaded.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/11/05/obama.plot.indictment/index.html
Bush on the Constitution: A 'goddamned piece of paper'
By DOUG THOMPSON
Dec 5, 2005, 07:53
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml
If the rats are regrouping, I would like to respond and let them Know that Electing Pres Elect Obama, was Not the End for "us", It Is Only The Beginning.
If they believe WE are gonna just relax, walk away and "forget about it" now? They need to run a Chem Test on that Lemon sour kool-aid they drank.
Kathy, I have faith that "We the People" will urge them by demonstrating how it can and Will change/work. There will always be a segment of our populace, whose minds will never change. But if We are good at leading by Good example, Most will follow suit, imvho
Yes CEO, we all do....and not just on the Internets. :)
Good morning, winners,
Let's be magnamimous in victory, and show some kindness, perhaps.
Equal time, or any time, to espouse the benefits of hatred and war and violence? I suppose the research will show the detrimental effects on the economy and society of such dangerous rabble rousing.
Then maybe this could clearly be defined as obscenity by the FCC and rules for heavy fines be administered, with precision. Retroactively. ;)
Or, perhaps a more balanced approach would be required warning disclaimers before and after hate and fear mongering to warn that this emotional behavior has consequences and could be detrimental to your health and cause bankruptcy, morally and otherwise.
Why? I didn't see that they had created "soul" cells, and that is the part that is actually lacking in them.
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GregL on November 6, 2008
The mirror neurons I do bbelieve are cloned by meditation only.
These Japanese researchers probably cloned mouse brains, which I can see as maybe beneficial to Wisconsin if Alzheimer's sufferers can be restimulated to appetite by such implants.
Good afternoon fellow Democrats. Good morning to the left coast.
Marriage has traditionally been between a man and a woman since the founding of the United States. To change something that embedded in the history of America should be put to a fair vote of the electorate as was civil rights. The results of CA Proposition 8 should send a clear message to the GLBT community that even in the most liberal of states; more than half of the electorate do not share your view in this matter. That is a democracy. That is the very foundation our great nation is built upon.
The GLBT community should reconsider their strategy at this time and come to the realization that, for at least another generation, Civil Unions will have to be an alternative. Polling indicates that state electorates, such as in CA, will have a lot easier time supporting Civil Unions than they will gay marriage.
Is this fair? No. Is it the old axiom of "separate but equal"? Yes, it is. But the civil rights contingent had to go through this period and it would appear that a majority of the electorate would want the same for the GLBT community if for no other reason than to give society, as a whole, time to adjust.
I'm confident that in one generation, or less, homosexuality will be considered as little as someone who is left-handed as many do now. I, like the GLBT community, look forward to that day. Every tax paying American citizen should be allowed to enjoy the benefits of a legally recognized marriage.
But while 52%+ of the electorate are prepared to accept an African-American as POTUS, the CA results clearly indicate that gay marriage is not that widely accepted. That is a true shame but, as in the POTUS election of two nights ago, the people have spoken. And the Democratic Party should not squander and of its mandate to force this through the Congress. To do so would violate the trust of a majority of the electorate. At best, this is a late second term item for the agenda and we need to see one state, any state, have a majority of its electorate approve gay marriage as opposed to judicial ruling(s). Pursue Civil Unions. That is your best chance, IMHO, for the foreseeable future.
Kathy_from_BLUE_Indiana on November 6, 2008 at 01:32 PM
Hello Kathy. I'm just sitting here basking in the glow of the new blue light of VA as I'm sure you're doing in the great state of IN.
OK Bob- Can I vote on whether you can enter into a legal contract?
48% of the people in CA thought that marraige rights should not be taken away from GLBT's. Unlike you, I think that is a whole lot of acceptance. However, when do we as a people vote to take rights away?
Why am I not equal to you Bob?
Because 52% of the population in CA thinks I am not?
2 churches spent millions of dollars to lie to the people of CA about what this law would mean, perhaps we should be discussing their tax exempt status instead of your justification for making me lesss equal than you.
Cate on November 6, 2008 at 01:44 PM
CA is arguably the most liberal state of the union. And for gay marriage only to garner 48% of the vote speaks volumes as to the rest of the electorate.
There has not been a single state that has passed gay marriage legislation as no state has yet not to approve gay marriage bans. The only states to have approved gay marriage have done it from the judicial bench. The sentiment of the majority of the electorate is quite clear. And until that sentiment changes, IMHO, civil unions are the only logical alternative.
In regards to your question about whether or not you can vote to see if I can enter into a legal contract, get a majority of the electorate to agree with you and we'll talk about it.
Cate on November 6, 2008 at 01:49 PM
Why am I not equal to you Bob?Because 52% of the population in CA thinks I am not?
You're preaching to the choir here, Cate. If I could wave a magic wand and make gay marriage legal across the nation, I would. But to answer your questions, you are equal to me. It is your definition of marriage that is in question. And 52% of CA voters, and upwards of 70% of nationwide voters, disagree with your definition of marriage. And until the GLBT community can find a way to assuage those misigivings amongst a majority of the electorate, that's the way it is.
Pursue civil unions. That is your best chance, for now. The question is often asked by the GLBT community, "What it is about my gay marriage that threatens your straight marriage?" I don't know the answer to that because I agree with the GLBT community to a point. But in this political environment I have to ask the GLBT community, "How does calling your gay marriage a civil union for the sake of getting it passed as legislation diminish or threaten the quality of your marriage if said union has the same legal benefits of marriage?"
However, when do we as a people vote to take rights away?
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Cate on November 6, 2008 at
Hi Cate,
When we're scared or ignorant and misled? Infected with fear and mistrust?
And who pays for and is benefitted by hate propaganda? The real magicians of wealth using the sleight of mouth?
Are Civil Unions equal to marriage?
Not according to a report issued in February, 2008 by a New Jersey state commission tasked to evaluate their state's Civil Unions law, implemented by the legislature under orders from their highest court to stop discriminating against people of the same gender who want to marry. Approved unanimously by all twelve members, the report is rather damning:
A commission established to study same-sex civil unions in New Jersey has found in its first report that civil unions create a "second-class status" for gay couples rather than giving them equality.
Lovely: second-class status for human beings.
Cate on November 6, 2008 at 01:49 PM
And in regards to your point about the church's tax exempt status, we are in total agreement. Any house of worship that engages in political activity should have its tax exempt status yanked. Religion is for indiviudals, politics is for the masses.
Cate on November 6, 2008 at 01:49 PM
HI Ho fellow and most liberal asshats!!
Cate, that was for the blog...
I've got a question. No one on this blog (with the exception of a couple of bottom feeders that show up here on a daily basis), does not support equal rights for all americans and all segments of our culture. (We think stupid people should be locked up, but that's a different debate)
So, with the exception of calling a union between two people, gay, straight, black or white, short or tall, a marriage, are your rights under a civil union, the same as those under a civil marriage??
Cate on November 6, 2008 at 02:07 PM
That's part of an answer, but what is different legally? What specific rights are affected?
It's has been an incredible journey. Now we are there at the beginning of a beautiful chapter in American history full of challenges, hard work, and commitment. Lets all give our future president support in helping him accomplish his job and fulfill his promises. It's going to be a hard road, but not impossible.
While he is focus on his job, let's all -those of us who volunteered and worked during the campaign - not stop working. Let continue in building and maintaining our democratic networking to bring together those who are left behind. Let continue the work we started and keep going... Let's keep this country safe from mediocrity in the office. Let's work hard to always and forever elect people who have so much to offer to the Nation. Let's higher standards and expectations for both parties. Why do Democrates have to produce outstanding brains that are put to the test -all the time. Republicans... it's enough for them to speak in a complete sentence... it's ashame. Let's promis ouselves not to fall this low and this short with regard to people who are and will govern the country. As a nation -a powerful one- Let have requirements that we do not negotiate when its comes to choosing a leader. We all have so much to loose, we already lost so much...
Some tired folks in Chicago offer their musical "good riddance" to W. and Company . . . .
CRAWL BACK TO CRAWFORD
(Matt Farmer)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I9-BJtvQzE
VERSE
Well, for eight long years we've been payin' your rent
But now your lease done run
And all our money's been spent
So pack up your bags
And take a last look around
At how you drove a great nation straight into the ground
CHORUS
And don't let the door
Hit you in the [rear] on the way out
Don't bother with the goodbyes
Just make sure that you stay out
There ain't no need to call
No need to write
We don't even need you to turn out the light
Just crawl back to Crawford, brother
Promise that you'll leave us alone
VERSE
Every step of the way, your story's been the same
Just cruisin' through the world
On your daddy's name
You had the oilmen friends
You had the Skull and Bones
But it never would have happened if your name was Jones
REPEAT CHORUS
BRIDGE
Slam dunk, privatize, deregulate
Tax cuts, trickle down
The politics of hate
Flag pin, waterboard
Intelligent design
You were handed your throne by just five of the nine
REPEAT CHORUS X2
Well Bob, I wish you had that magic wand. However, I disagree with the premise that my rights should hinge on a popular vote.
If ALL men are created equal, then why should we have to beg to be treated equally?
If the premise of our country is founded on the right of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, why am I not allowed to pursue that happiness?
GregL on November 6, 2008 at 02:11 PM
Which is precisely where I am going with this. Gay rights to "marry" is never going to be decided or resolved by the "mob". It is a judicial matter.
If civil unions do not enjoy the same rights and privileges that a union called a "marriage" does, then there is an issue.
Call me crazy, but that is where the debate begins and ends.
OK, before this gets all out of hand, the "Fairness Doctrine" is NOT the same thing as the "Equal Time LAW".
The F/D was an agreement as part of the licensing process to use the PUBLIC airwaves to basically print money having to do with airing all sides of a controversial issue. It had nothing to do with equality of time. Its thrust was Fairness and Balance (and to think FOX stole that for their tag line).
The ETL only covered political campaigns, where if a candidate was interviewed by a station his opponent had a right to respond in kind. That is still a LAW on the books.
The Fairness Doctrine ONLY applies to broadcast programs. Anybody who gets cable is tacitly approving the hate talk by paying the monthly bill.
See? The F/D is nothing more than a handshake and a nod & a wink. The ETR is a LAW.
This is what you get with Republican authoritarian rule. You get uptight white men attempting to restrict highschoolers from reading BRAVE NEW WORLD. Idaho's pretty...but it's people can be soooo damn backward.
COEUR d'ALENE -- A classic science fiction novel could be the first casualty of the Coeur d'Alene School District's efforts to assure all books on required reading lists have been approved by the school board before teachers use them in district classrooms.
Trustees could not agree whether to accept a book review committee's recommendation to add Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World" to the list of approved reading materials at their meeting Monday.
With four out of five board members present, the vote was split 2-2 resulting in a decision to consider the book again at the December board meeting when they anticipate full attendance.
Dave- For instance, in New Jersey
"Judy Ford of Port Norris formed a civil union last April to add her partner to her health insurance plan. But the medical center that employs Ford used a loophole in federal law to deny coverage to her partner, Yvonne Mazzola.
Now, because of her civil union, she would be liable for her partner's uninsured medical bills. They might dissolve their civil union."
Further, if you look at Civil Unions, you discover that people don't understand them or afford the same level of respect towards a partner.
It becomes up to the nurse or doctor if you can visit your civil union partner. A wife or husband does not need to deal with such BS.
BobVADemocratHawk on November 6, 2008 at 01:32 PM
I'm shocked Bob. So you're saying that equal rights that are guaranteed under our Constitution should be put up for a vote? Wow. Where does that stop? A state that is denying equal protection under its laws is in violation of that Constitution.
JaunC on November 6, 2008 at 02:13 PM
Did you finish that hole Greg asked you to dig the other day....bitch?? We gave you a little extra time because you had to use a left handed one.
And if there were any segment that I was remiss in naming it was you and your blowup doll collection. But I have a faint memory of your collection filing a class action suit against you for abuse and neglect and felt any comment, would affect the outcome of the trial.
Do you still have to blow them up before they appear??
Moving on....
Seriously,...I'm concerned about you. You know most of us asshats have you specifically in mind when it comes to higher taxes. We want your money so we can give some to our friends and family and I particularly want some for a new boat and second home that I will be able to buy with my new welfare check and income assist programs funded by you and your republican friends. And the independant ones too!!
We're gonna get all your money...well whatever is left over after you settle your blowup doll claim.
Great tune, Blue State Cowboy! Where are you playing soon in the Chgo area?
BTW, NORTH CAROLINA HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN CALLED FOR OBAMA!
Marriage is a great divisive issue because it involves ignorance and religion and law, and many cultural traditions trying to coexist in a gigantic nation. And it is a vast grey area of cultures and religions clashing with the state for rights.
Confusion and emotion rule the issue. Some people are suffering somewhat by it and some are feeling left out, and it needs to be sorted out with fairness and justice.
But, meanwhile, people are dying by the thousands every day around the world from preventable diseases and starvation and aggressive violence. US businesses and military and munitions are involved in some of this insanity, and, IMO, this should be the focus of all our efforts to regain peace and security here and abroad.
Bankruptcy and a police state will quickly engulf us otherwise, I think. And hopping into all our marriage beds will be Big Brother or some devilish fiends, with little or no respect for privacy or human dignity.
Sally-* on November 6, 2008 at 02:24 PM
Wall St. has come to the realization that the free ride is over. They're selling off in order to prepare for really paying taxes as opposed to the song and dance they were allowed to get away with under the Bush Administration.
Cate on November 6, 2008 at 02:27 PM
I assumed, and I am sure that I am not alone, that if you enter into a civil union, that legally, you and your partner would enjoy the same rights as the rights of a straight couple that enter into a "marriage".
I know for the most part that it is a "state by state" issue and that some state's do not distinguish between the rights in a civil union and those in a "marriage".
IMHO...the rights of a civil union should be equal and the same as those of a "marriage". And I don't think you would find any disagreement here on that.
What needs to happen to make that happen? What is most important? Is it what you call your relationship or is it the rights of that relationship??
So full of hate and anger Kathy, I thought this was a time of love and bonding all together,
JaunC on November 6, 2008 at 02:20 PM
HYPOCRITE!
You were filled with hatred in your gut before the election, but you are now festering and eaten up with it! YOU LOST ! Get over it! Even Sally says he is going to give Obama a chance, but your racist bigoted small mind would not allow you to do such a thing.
I don't want to see you talk about anybody but your own, Hate and Anger , little man! You are the champion.
GregL on November 6, 2008 at 02:36 PM
Despite many people believing that CA is a liberal state, it can be just as backward as any other when you factor in SoCal which is heavily republican.
And, the whole civil union thing is someone's idea of throwing the dog a bone to keep the GLBT community happy. If the state is issuing a license to join two unrelated adults in marriage, they must issue that license upon request and have no other say in the matter.
I would go so far as saying that these laws not only violate equal protection but also privacy as well.
Maybe we can use the vote totals as proof that more Americans want the Pugs to move out of this Country. They can find another one. We did take a vote on it.
Here is a LTE to the Chicago Sun-Times printed today:
With the election of a Marxist as president of the United States, I am sad to say that for the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really ashamed of my country.Gregg Dudash, Palos Hills
I sent a reply which I'm sure will never be printed. It basically said the I figured out two ways to alleviate his displeasure.
O'Hare Int'l and Midway Int'l.
Well, I see that Bradley the homophobe is here. Perhaps, like other homophobes, he should look in the mirror to understand why he hates so much. I suspect someone is in deep denial....
BlueinIdaho on November 6, 2008 at 02:29 PM
As a matter of law, any constitutional amendment can be overturned as indicated by the 18th and 21st amendments. If 3/4 of the states voted to abolish the First Amendment, it could be done.
But in CA, the vote was to amend the CA constitution. And what the voters of CA decided was that gay marriage, in its current form, was unacceptable to the majority. We are a nation of law, not men. The people have overridden the judiciary in response to the judiciary's previous ruling by amending their constitution in accordance with CA law. Checks and balances...
Sally-* on November 6, 2008 at 02:43 PM
Perhaps, but they certainly remembered George W. Bush and unfortunately, he'll be remembered, and reviled for that matter, for being the most incompetent POTUS in history.
And as a matter of debate, we'll continue to throw GWB under the proverbial bus as y'all do President Carter. The big difference is we didn't re-elect President Carter. Y'all re-elected President Bush. What the hell were y'all thinking?
350BobVADemocratHawk on November 6, 2008 at 02:41 PM
Wall Street always has been and always will be based on speculation and risk. It's not just business, it's everyone who ever had a 401-k or investment fund that leaving and getting out of the market.
The days are returning when buying a companies stock is based on their inherent value and the long term viability of their particular business with small returns on investment.
Over the last decade, investors were looking for maximum returns with little thought of the risk. the higher the risk, the better the return. Many of them got greedy and with the deregulation of the market and little if any oversight and disaster was bound to happen.
And what do you know....it did.
So it is sad to see people get burned and lose (and it a lot of instances, it was never there) money. Many lost their entire 401-K savings. Ironically, they call it savings but many played with it like it was monopoly money.
It doesn't matter what party is in control at this point. It's all about seeking and finding the inherent value in the companies that still exist.
Savings will be the norm from here on out. And that is a good thing. Ask the Japanese :)
Ok Dave, for the record there are about 1400 rights and responsibilities that go along with marriage. These rights and responsibilities are not found under one heading. Marriage has actually evolved over the years.
There is not one type of civil union. Civil unions are a recently made up device. Thus far it hasn't worked because separate is not equal and it doesn't work. If they were to obolish the current system and left the word "marriage" for the chuches and civil unions for the contractual aspect for ALL people it would be fine. As I understands it that is how it is set up in some European countries.
Opponents of gay marriage really don't like the idea of civil unions, but it does work to keep some of them quiet. It is harder to pretend that magically civil unions will destroy their marriages. And harder to pretend that churches will be forced to perform gay marriage. (They wouldn't- they couldn't be.) Essentially that is the only advantage of going civil union.
Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on November 6, 2008 at 02:46 PM
Hmmmmm....sounds funny coming from the other side doesn't it??
Pretty soon they'll be saying...
G'damn america...g'dam those liberal asshats!!......g'damn those socialist!!
We at least had options....we could duck over the border to live with our friends in Canada...They however don't. Know any Corporatist Dictatorships that can offer them asylum??
Hey, how about Iraq..they've privatized the shit out of that place.
Cate on November 6, 2008 at 03:12 PM
...Opponents of gay marriage really don't like the idea of civil unions, but it does work to keep some of them quiet. It is harder to pretend that magically civil unions will destroy their marriages. And harder to pretend that churches will be forced to perform gay marriage. (They wouldn't- they couldn't be.) Essentially that is the only advantage of going civil union.
And that could've been a difference in the CA vote. When the dust settles and the smoke clears, it still comes down to politics. You have to be able to convince a majority of your position. The only majority's gay marriage have gained thus far are judicial majorities and those are few and far between. We'll get there one day, but not today.
Afternoon all good Dems! I hope that you are all doing well. I see that the subject of marriage is being discussed. I am a Christian in the buckle of the Bible belt and I still don't understand why any marriage between any two people is in conflict with laws. Why are there laws banning any two people from making a declaration and sharing their lives? Who are they hurting by doing so? What possible difference could it make? I just plain do not get the opposition and why it is anyone's business if two adults make the choice to share their lives. Who are they hurting and why is it against the law. This whole issue reminds me of the law that we had when I was a child about inter-racial marriage.
I must say, I am happily married and if someone were to come along and tell me that my marriage was suddenly 'illegal' and somehow 'invalid,' I think I'd be raising some serious he&&!
Michigan_Dave on November 6, 2008 at 03:22 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of Russia or Belarus. Both have a strong, central figure that it would take it a coup to get rid of and that don't believe in too many civil rights or liberties. In other words, it's a GOP paradise.
Cate on November 6, 2008 at 03:12 PM
The law below "DOMA" passed in 1996 is where you have to start. You probably already know that. Having said that, we now have a constitutional law expert as a president elect. And our best shot at a liberal supreme court in decades.
So, in my mind and knowing that the battle against a christian majority that believe marriage was divinely ordained from someone capable of hearing Gods voice, will be near impossible..I would recommend that any effort and energy be expended and directed to the courts.
As Bob noted, along with others, we are a nation of laws and every once in a while, one is passed that is pretty effin' stupid. DOMA would be a prime example.
Critics of DOMA argue that the law is unconstitutional on several grounds:
Congress over-reached its authority under the Full Faith and Credit Clause.
The law illegally discriminates and violates the Equal Protection Clause.
The law violates the fundamental right to marriage (including same-sex marriage) under the due process clause.
Several challenges to the law's constitutionality have been appealed to the United States Supreme Court since its enactment, but so far the Court has declined to review any such cases.
Well Bob, I wish you had that magic wand. However, I disagree with the premise that my rights should hinge on a popular vote.
Cate: I agree totally - if Roe v. Wade had done so, we would never have won at that point in time. Now, I can't imagine that there would ever be a popular vote against it. A few evangelicals and hard core catholics mixed with the odd right wing nut job or two (yes, Sally and Dumb A$$ - this means you!), would vote against, but the majority of the popular vote would be overwhelmingly for the Roe decision to stand.
Sorry I wasn't clear Greg- They actually do both. It is just a separate ceremony for each part.
Bob- Actually several years ago a similar thing passed in CA with a majority of 60% of the voters being opposed to gay marriage. Inroads have been made.
From what I have read "No on 8" made some errors in their targeted voters. Further "No on 8" had been winning and was way ahead in the polls until the churches started their misinformation campaign.
And that is perhaps the most frustrating part. Why do churches lie? Why do they pretend they will be forced to perform marriage? That schools will have to teach it? That they will not be able to object to it?
so Harry Reid wants to punish Lieberman for criticizing the Dems. Partisan posts on this site, it sounds like politics as usual. Although I disagree with the phrase Ralph Nader used on Fox news interview, he raises a valid question: Will Obama serve the people or serve corporations? Most politicians have been serving the corporations, it will take coming together of the people to change that.
Michigan Dave: Do you ever find yourself wishing for Thurgood Marshall to be re-incarnated? I have so long wished that he would somehow 'manifest' in Roberts or Thomas - I honestly don't care which of the conservatives he chooses to 'posess.' - LOL!
Seriously though, don't you know that he is just spinning in his grave with some of the decisions that have been handed down recently!
His opinions were - much like Stevens' - based in linear thought and logic. Stevens at 88 is still the clearest 'thinker' on the Court. Have you ever tried to read a 'Scalia' opinion or worse anything that Alito has ever written? That circular logic that they employ makes for some very muddled decisions!
marymac_memphis on November 6, 2008 at 03:47 PM
Hello Mary, it's good to see you again. Every single one of our rights in the Constitution hang on a vote, as you put it. Any constitutional amendment can be amended, deleted, or added by having three-fourths of the states vote for such. I think we often forget that.
stevie,
I told you to mind your own business and leave real people alone!
when your daughter comes to visit with her femslr fiance, THEN you can discuss the issue!
ps, I would not call your daughter normal! from a dysfunctional family with a mentally ill father, lives with the single mother who had to move in with her brother because of lack of child support! I wouldn't talk about anybody else if i were you. MYOB!!
Junko on November 6, 2008 at 03:50 PM
Ralph Who? Ralph the irrelevant needs to take his medication and go lie down in the corner somewhere. As far as Sen. Lieberman (I-CT) goes, he cast his lot with the Republicans and now he shall suffer the circumstances of such. And did you really come to a partisan site and expect non-partisan posts?
BobVADemocratHawk on November 6, 2008 at 02:56 PM
Hmmmm, tell me when the last time the states did this. But, really that is completely irrelevant. A state cannot violate the Constitutional right of an American citizen, period. Sure, I guess we could abolish all rights afforded us in that document, but until the conservatives do that, they are still everyone's rights.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I'm just hoping that we can now put some jurists on the courts who will leave their own personal biases and political views at home and read the effing Constitution for a change.
And when that happens, I will sit back and watch as the backward people of both Idaho and CA and other states, who flipped a finger at the founding fathers and the agreement that we all live under, have their backsides turned red with a true Constitutional paddling.
Sally-* on November 6, 2008 at 03:55 PM
On gun control and gay marriage, you're probably right. On the Fairness Doctrine and taxes for the wealthy, that's what we were elected on in part.
BlueinIdaho on November 6, 2008 at 04:08 PM
...I'm just hoping that we can now put some jurists on the courts who will leave their own personal biases and political views at home and read the effing Constitution for a change...
Now that is one thing was can agree on. If someone were to apply an eighteenth or nineteenth century view of the constitution, then they should be in those respective centuries. This is the 21st century. Our laws, and interpretation of the law, should reflect such otherwise we'd all still be wearing tricorn hats and powdered wigs.
Good afternoon, all.
francespryor on November 6, 2008 at 11:17 AM
Thanks for posting. I forgot from where that quote came.
Let's face it, Obama will probably replace most of the progressives on the court, but we still need at least one of the conservatives to kick the bucket to make sure gays are allowed the same rights as anyone else.
Which of the Far Right judges do you think might expire first? Roberts has seizures. Does Thomas have heart problem? Scalia could die of arrogance? Alito might die of ignorance? Could any of them go before January 20? Bush would probably appoint a new one with a presidential signing statement.
The only way I can see out of this injustice is to pass the ERA. We have a Democratic Congress so there would be no problem there. Can we pick up where we left off with the ERA? Would we have to go back and get 3/4 of the states or would two do?
I don't understand why specific groups are being targeted as legally inferior over others. Why would any Constitutional government take away rights that everybody supposedly already has under its charter?
These conservative wingnut Justices would probably to back and revisit the slave provisions in the Constitution if Scalia had one more Far Right judge to back him up. I hate how he's always insisting that the United States is a republic not a democracy so it's alright to debate discrimination as a principle.
It's really hard to read any of the letters and arugments by the Framers of the Constitution and think that they didn't have a democracy in mind when they wrote the document.
It's as if some of these Justices as interrupting the Constitution as they do the Bible... as gospel truth. None of the men who wrote the Constitution were religious prophets. Franklin and Jefferson were hardly saints. Most of them weren't even lawyers...one point in their favor.
The Constitution must be a living, breathing document or it dies and our republic dies along with it. The law of the land is only as good as the justice it serves its citizens.
So it's imperative that we secure and protect what little is left of the Bill of Rights before another Bush is elected or crowned king by another corrupt Supreme Court.
Women and gays will never be safe to exercise their full rights as citizens until we do. Now that we have our mandate let's take the opportunity it presents to grant the rest of our people full citizenship with the ERA.
PamB on November 6, 2008 at 03:58 PM
Stop piking on him. Every time he has to type, he has to let one of the dolls go and they fly around the room.
Poor bastard probably has cheeks like Dizzy Gillespie from having to blow them up everyday.
marymac_memphis on November 6, 2008 at 03:57 PM
I'm with you. Whether a gay person gets married or not has little if any effect on my life, my rights and or responsibilities.
Kathy_from_BLUE_Indiana on November 6, 2008 at 04:33 PM
Kathy,
So you want to get Bush and his little dog, too?
Barney bit a journalist today. The reporter was lucky it wasn't Cheney foaming at the mouth. I hear that those rabies shots are painful.
Kathy_from_BLUE_Indiana on November 6, 2008 at 04:20 PM
Reid had better grow some. And if he don't, Emmanuel will make him. I'm liking that appointment a whole bunch.
Gotta go ya liberal ass hats!!
Hey, I forgot to mention that I watched a bit of Dean on C-Span at the gym last night. Blogs rated a mention and I'm thinking he might have been thinking about our little community here.
Who knows, from time to time, they may jump on here just to get a feel for where we are at on policy and issues.
I'd like to think they have stolen a few of our lines...like
"Yes we can!!"
Didn't Bob come up with that one???
Later...They don't call it the Kickin' Ass Blog for nothin'
Hey, do you think we oughta send Rush some blow up dolls??
Now that the election is over, BRING FORTH THE ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT. Put the lame duck out of his misery.
{{{Michigan Dave}}}
I wonder how many patch kits the old troll has had to go through with that old, Betty Boop Blow Up Doll? (Or is it an Elmer Tinkelberry one?) heehee
Congratulations to Obama/Biden and all those who voted to move our Country away from the edge of distruction.
However, the fight is just beginning....
Each state is taking away rights of Americans. Here in CA they voted against equal rights for same-sex marriage. In ARK they voted to ban same sex couples from adopting.
We, as a inclusive Democratic party, need to still combat prejudice, not just skin color but for all. Fight to keep women's rights, gay rights, pro-choice rights.
The radical right conservative repugs have already started to beat down Obama. They also have started talking about possibly breaking their party in two, 1 conservative (Palin type) and 1 centrist (McCain type).
Understanding this will help us win over the centrists and move forward to a new vision. We can do it....
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Michigan_Dave on November 6, 2008 at 04:45 PM
President OBAMA and Senate Majority Whip Durbin are REAL tight. Since the Whip is usually next in line to be Majority Leader it would be a swift and painless transition. Necessary, too.
Michigan_Dave on November 6, 2008 at 04:51 PM
As much as I'd like to take credit for that, I cannot. Though I will chip in to send that gasbag, Rush Limbaugh, a blow up doll. Make it a "three-legged" male one. At least that'll keep Rush quiet for a while because we all know he talks out of arse anyway.
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's government will take over and nationalize La Cristinas, the biggest gold mine in the country owned by Canada's Crystallex, Mining Minister Rodolfo Sanz said Wednesday. The move is part of leftist Chavez's socialist agenda that calls for nationalizing Venezuela's natural resources. Over the past year, he has taken over the electricity, oil, steelmaking, cement and telephone enterprises"This mine will be seized and managed by a state administration," Sanz said in a statement.
The Cristinas mine, located in southeastern Bolivar state, is estimated to hold 16.9 million ounces of gold, in proven and potential reserves of the precious metal, according to Crystallex data.
Since the start of the year, Venezuela has been withholding environmental permits that allow private companies to extract gold, in lieu of a law that will establish joint ventures with foreign companies with majority stakes by the Venezuelan state.
Copyright AFP 2008
Now that is a prime example of socialism you dumbarse conservatives. You know, like what Bush did with the banks...
RICHMOND, Va. - On a rainy Saturday in January 2006, Mark Warner walked quietly from the podium where his successor had just been sworn in as Virginia's governor.But the hyper-caffeinated, get-it-done-today Warner wouldn't stay away from politics for long.
On Tuesday, he beat another former governor, Republican Jim Gilmore, to claim a seat in the U.S. Senate.
At the end of his term, three-fourths of Virginians approved of Warner's performance, the highest mark for any governor in 20 years. Were Virginia not the only state to forbid consecutive terms for its governors, he easily would have won re-election.
Instead, he explored a run for president before abruptly dropping out "to have a life for a little while."
Warner has a personal fortune of about $200 million thanks to shrewd early investments in cellular licenses. But wealth and success did not come easy.
He grew up in Indiana, Illinois and Connecticut as the son of a Nixon Republican who worked in risk management for an insurance company.
After getting a law degree from Harvard, Warner moved to Washington, where he earned as little as $350 a week as a Democratic fundraiser but developed a skill for networking.
In the early 1980s, Warner learned that the government would give away licenses to radio frequencies that could one day link millions of wireless telephones. He assembled investor groups to apply for licenses in return for his 5 percent share.
In the 1990s, Warner launched a bid to unseat Virginia's courtly Republican senior senator, John Warner. He spent $10 million of his own money in a campaign that featured "Mark Not John" bumper stickers, and lost by 6 points.
It was the closest challenge of John Warner's career, and a friendship ensued between the two men, who are not related.
When John Warner decided not to seek a sixth term in 2007, Mark Warner, 53, immediately became a heavy favorite over Gilmore, his predecessor as governor.
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Bob Lewis has covered Virginia government and politics since 2000.
Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
This is VA's latest contribution to the Democratic majority of the 111th Congress. Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA) is now our senior senator and specializes in military affairs. Sen. Warner (D-VA) will specialize in business affairs. Can we Virginians pick 'em or what?
SIGN THE "THANK YOU" NOTE TO Dr. DEAN FOR HIS 50 STATE STRATEGY, PLEASE
Hey Bob! I'm sorry that I didn't respond to you sooner, I've been in and out of here all afternoon.
Okay good Dems - I want to play the Rev. Hagee (also known as Rev. Hate) game:
N. and S. Dakota were blanketed by a blizzard today, with several feet of snow and winds exceeding 70 mph!
I know why! If I am not mistaken, both "low population" states voted Republican int he last election and the Liberal God is punishing them!
See Rev. Hate - anyone can 'blame' natural disasters on anyone or any group if they get creative enough!
Recommended reading:
Suggestions for changes President Obama can make in the first 100 days of his term.
rjsnj on November 6, 2008 at 05:30 PM
Good to see you too, RJ. Yup, our governor, both senators, and the state senate are all Democratic now. Our House delegation, both state and federal, still needs some work but, we're getting there.
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rjsnj on November 6, 2008 at 05:46 PM
It turns out that that pack of grifters didn't return everything, so the RNC is sending a team of Lawyers to Wasilla to do a complete inventory and demand either the goods or the money.
The whole family is just a bunch of carny's and thieves.
Oh, and I have one idea for President Elect Obama (man- don't you just love typing that! PRES. OBAMA, PRES. OBAMA). There have been suggestions that he 'reach across the aisle' and appoint Republicans to his Cabinet. I would like to suggest for Sec. of Education, Sen. Lamar Alexander a CONSERVATIVE republican from the State of Tennessee. He is more than qualified as he has served in this post previously and would probably do a good job but more importantly, Tennessee - at this time - has a Democratic Governor and if Sen. Alexander could be talked into accepting a cabinet position, he would be forced to resign from the Senate and Gov. Bredesen would be free to appoint a Democrat to represent Tennessee in the Senate. That would get us one Senator closer to that elusive fillabuster-proof 60!
WASHINGTON (AP) - Federal agents Thursday seized quantities of a contaminated blood thinner made in China from a small manufacturer in Cincinnati, officials said.The blood thinner heparin, given to patients undergoing heart surgery and kidney dialysis, was the focus of a major recall earlier this year after crude drug material from China was found to be contaminated. Hundreds of frail patients suffered severe allergic reactions. The government received reports of nearly 250 deaths.
The FDA had inspected the Cincinnati company, Celsus Laboratories, Inc., in April and at the time found contaminated heparin in two different kinds of products, officials said. A little over 2 pounds of the blood thinner was intended for use directly with patients, and another 31 pounds was to be utilized in diagnostic test kits and medical devices.
The FDA seized the heparin after informing the company that its efforts to notify customers of the contamination problem were unsatisfactory, the agency said in a statement. Drug seizures are a rare penalty for the FDA, since regulators prefer to negotiate with manufacturers to resolve disputes.
A representative who answered the phone at Celsus said the company would have no comment.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27577419/
The Chinese never fail to amaze me. I read today that the Chinese have been making overtures to President-Elect Obama. I hope he tells them in no uncertain terms to get stuffed and keep their cheap, sub-standard products to themselves!
But mary, Professor William Ayers is a Nationally renowned expert on education.
How about Krugman as head of the Council of Economic Advisers?
rjsnj on November 6, 2008 at 05:58 PM
You could say the trend started in 2001 with the election of Mark Warner as Governor after the dreadful administrations of George "Macaca" Allen and Jim "RNC" Gilmore during the 90's. The "blue tide" in VA started with competent Democratic leadership thanks to Mark Warner. This Commonwealth owes Mark Warner a great debt of gratitude.
Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on November 6, 2008 at 05:36 PM
Thanks for the link, Doo-Bee. I signed it and I would hope that all who read this take a moment and recognize the importance of what Gov. Dean has done here. The Democratic Party is back in command and better than ever!
How about Krugman as head of the Council of Economic Advisers?
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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on November 6, 2008 at 06:01 PM
Sounds good! Krugman for anything regarding economics and finance! Only one little problem - both he and Stiglitz would end up taking big pay-cuts to accept positions in the administration. Still, I hope that they will make the sacrifice for all of our sakes.
As to Ayers - I have no problem with him - none. My suggestion of Alexander is purely selfish/political. I would get a Democratic Senator from Tennessee and get us closer to 60!
marymac_memphis on November 6, 2008 at 06:17 PM
Dr. Krugman would be my first choice for Treasury Secretary.
RJ - are you the "RJ" from New Jersey who posted here before? If so - WOW! It's great to 'see' you back.
If not, it's still good to 'have' you here. LOL
Blunt steps downHouse GOP whip Roy Blunt is stepping down, he announced to his colleagues in a letter today.
After sending out the letter, he met with reporters. “I just called Joe Barton [R-Texas] and told him I was looking forward to coming back to the Energy Committee," Blunt told reporters today. "Ten years of asking people to do things they don't want to do is a long time."
His departure clears the way for Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.) to try his hand at the whip post. Blunt didn’t formally endorse Cantor but said that "Eric Cantor is doing a great job."
Blunt said he did everything he could but that "somebody else can bring a new bag of tricks to the floor. … I think it is a good idea for someone else to bring a different strategic sense."
In the letter to his Republican colleagues, he tells them that in January 2007, as Democrats took control of Congress, he sat down and wrote himself a letter. It sat unopened on his desk until yesterday...
http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/1108/Blunt_steps_down.html
The first casualty of GOP realignment has been recorded.
Sally-* on November 6, 2008 at 06:27 PM
AK actually has a legal conflict on the rise. There are two conflicting laws in AK. One says Gov. Palin (R-AK) has the power to appoint a senator while another says a special election must be held. But if nothing else, we all got a close look at the people of AK with the Palin and Stevens candidacy. IMHO, the people of AK have been found lacking good sense in their ignorant electorate and their corrupt politicians.
Good night fellow Deomcrats. -The hope still lives and the dream shall never die.
I know I'm going to piss some people off here, so be it. But you folks that think that Obama is going to the extreme left with gay marriage etc. at this early date, are delusional.
There is too many important issues that concerns every American at this time, for him to do that. Is this the only issue with you people or what?
Do you really think that he is going to cater to you folks at this point, when this country is in dire straits? If you do your more crazy then the trolls.
Thanks for the compliment Sally, but that is my true belief.
Obama is too damn smart for that, he is going to be a great centralist president. He is way to smart to cater to one issue people.
Just watch him go tomorrow, when he names some of his cabinet, at 1330 eastern time in a press conference.
A Centralist President is what we need for the good of this country, we don't need extreme left, or extreme right, the middle of the road is always better.
Historians: Bush presidency 'battered'
With low approval ratings and criticism for his handling of the Iraq war, Hurricane Katrina and the economy, the word most used to label George W. Bush's presidency will be "incompetent,"
http://www.cnn.com/
439JaunC on November 6, 2008 at 07:22 PM
Dan my first name is Marvin, its not Robert, you got me mixed up somewhere along the line. What is your first name? I understand that your from Germany is that correct? Understand that i don't have nothing against Germans, or anyone as far as that goes except for (Osama Ben Laden) I'm a tolerable person are you?
chassie on November 6, 2008 at 07:34 PM
Chassie,
His first name is Dan but we call him Dufus.
He gets confused easily, especially with names. For instance, he thinks I am PamB. He's not real bright.
An example of Dufus' "thinking"
The Dnc will have to ban all of you anyway when Hilary takes over because Obama drops like a rock in next weeks polls.
Posted by Dan_A_Cactus** on August 17, 2008 at 03:47 PM
Dr. Krugman would be my first choice for Treasury Secretary.
425BobVADemocratHawk on November 6, 2008 at 06:21 PM
That would mean one term for Obama, no more.
441JaunC on November 6, 2008 at 07:26 PM
Dan you finally got something right, Krugman, is not even on Obama's short list. Go to Cnbc.com and see who is on the short list, he has really surrounded his self with very smart people. Bob is wrong on this one.
marymac,
I got your drift when I first read it, and agreed. Alexander would be great as Ed Sec. I lost the "smiley face" when I edited that post. It had more to do with having the wingnuts' heads explode.
Anyhoo, the "Council of Economic Advisers" isn't a Cabinet position, and is just a bunch of smart folks with divergent views hashing things out sending and their consensus opinion to PRESIDENT OBAMA.
Ben Stein, that former Nixon speech writer, and current eye drop salesman and erstwhile Economics Professor at Pepperdine University, who got his acting start by being voted the most boring College Professor of all time (earning a cameo in "Ferris Bueller's Day Off") is the son of Nixon's Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers. The guy who invented "Wage / Price Freeze" economics. The only problem was that they froze the wages first for several months, and the companies kept raising prices anticipating a
price freeze" and the "wage frozen" were getting gouged.
When they finally put in "price freezes" nobody could afford to buy a damn thing, so business went down the crapper. Price "freeze" lasted about the length of a blink of an eye.
STAGFLATION, BAY BEE!!!!!
If you can find the Nixon "Good Bye" video from the East Room (where they gathered all the WH staff), Ben Stein is the curly haired guy with glasses chewing gum while tears poured out of his eyes.
chassie: What do you have against Dr. Krugman? Are you aware that he started over three years ago warning about the current economic crisis.
Hey,
What happened to that "Bradley effect"?
McCain/Palin hit 50% in daily tracking poll - Obama Bin Biden at 47%.
Subtract 5% from Obama Bin Biden and add it to McCain/Palin for the Bradley effect and it is McCain/Palin 55% and Obama Bin Biden 42%.
And it will get worse for Obama Bin Biden.
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SALLY-* ON SEPTEMBER 14, 2008 AT 04:29 PM
Hello again-
Chassie- no one thinks that Obama will do squat for gay marriage.
What exactly is centerist? Because all I see is that supposedly middle line just keeps moving further right.
Chicago - Good evening!
It's so much fun to type this, I just can't resist:
PRESIDENT ELECT OBAMA!
Two McCain sources also say Palin did not know Africa was a continent and could not find it on a map.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/06/mccain-sources-gripe-about-palin/
Palin makes Quayle look like Einstein.
chassie: What do you have against Dr. Krugman? Are you aware that he started over three years ago warning about the current economic crisis.
455marymac_memphis on November 6, 2008 at 07:44 PM
Mary-Mac, did i say that i had something against Krugman? I think that he is smart and a very good man. All i was saying that he is not on Obama short list for the Secretary of Treasury, you will probably see tommorrow at 1330 when he has his press conference.
If you want to see who is on his short list go to CNBC, the financial channel and research it, and you will see about 5 folks on that list.
But here's a hint there is 3 past Secretary's of Treasury on that list.
Mary i was going to mention that Snow, and Paulson is not one that list.
PRESIDENT ELECT OBAMA!
459marymac_memphis on November 6, 2008 at 07:51 PM
Marymac,
The only thing better will be PRESIDENT OBAMA.
To bad we have to suffer through 2 more months of chimpy and darth.
Cate: Regarding - where is center? You would not actually believe what a guy said to me yesterday about Bush. He actually asked me if I noticed 'how far left of center Bush is?' My jaw dropped. I thought that I had heard it all. The guy acually said "I don't know why he (Bush) didn't run as a socialist liberal democrat in the first place!"
What an ignorant fool! I asked him which right wing nut gas bag he had been listening to - that's the only place he could have gotten such a damn fool idea!
Obama's "to do" list.
DAY 1: Cancel ALL Bush's executive orders
Chassie: Sorry I misunderstood the point of your statement about Dr. K. I'm not sure what - if any - role President Obama will have for Dr. Krugman in the administration but I am confident that his advice will be sought out.
I gotta' get to my second job - so, bbl - hopefully, if I'm not too tired!
Upon hearing of his bigger senate majority,Harry Reid said on Tuesday, "This is not a mandate for a political party or an ideology." A day later, Howard Dean told reporters, "I don't think it's a mandate for the New Deal."
http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2008114506/mandate-manipulation-machine-enters-stage-right
So why is Howard Dean saying that this election is not a mandate for a New Deal?
It is most certainly a mandate!
We voted for CHANGE
We voted for a new direction.
A progressive direction. A NEW DEAL!
We are going to have to hold the Democrats in Congress and President Obama's feet to the fire people.
Mary_Mac i would like to meet you face to face, i know that we would have a very good conversation, about the issues, and they would not be that much difference between us. What do you think?
Just maybe we can do it sometime, who knows i might come to you, if you can't come to me.
And I have one final comment on the Prop 8, Fl 2 etc.
Those of you who think that civil unions are the way to go might be surprised to find out that 2 in Florida made domestic partnerships, civil unions and gay marriage illegal.
Those far right wing bastards won't be happy unless gay people are all back in the closet, imprisoned or dead. They don't compromise, and I am not human to them.
The democrats are tolerant to a degree- only to a degree -and we gay folks by and large support them. We give our money and our backs. So you tell me how much money the Dems gave to oppose any of these measures? Because I keep giving in the hopes something will change.
Hope, change, you know the drill. Well Obama says he is proof that anything is possible. Well, I know I've been fighting this battle a long time.
I'm kind of tired and I think I'm just gonna go have another good cry.
IowaHenry on November 6, 2008 at 08:13 PM
Where are you getting this idea from?
JaunC on November 6, 2008 at 08:16 PM
Dufus,
Democrats have no buyer's remorse.
Republicans wish they could have.
when they screw up they screw up big time.
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Sally-
Nobody wants to read the details of how you were conceived, small child.
More Republican "thinking":
Oh well, I guess this is a minor thing especially compared to the names you will be calling them when on the morning of November 5th Senator Obama will still be called Senator Obama.
We'll be calling our two President McCain and Vice-President Palin.
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THEGREATGAZOO ON SEPTEMBER 13, 2008 AT 09:36 PM
HA HA HA HA HA HA. what a dupe.
Sarah will dismantle Biden in the debate. He will look really puny and it is likely to be the most watched show of the year - maybe ever.
Biden has the 3rd most liberal record in the Senate right after Hussein Obama and some other dude. Those liberal votes are gonna look real foolish to 75% of Americans.
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SALLY-* ON SEPTEMBER 13, 2008 AT 05:07 PM
I bet Obama will not provide free mental heathcare to little Chicago, the asshat.
476JaunC on November 6, 2008 at 08:27 PM
Dufus,
I think you'll be able to get it though. Lord knows you need it.
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Sally-* on November 6, 2008 at 06:27 PM
Once again talking out of your ass, moron.
After Murkowkey appointed his own daughter to finish out his corruption fest the law was changed.
AS 15.40.140. Condition and Time of Calling Special Election.When a vacancy occurs in the office of United States senator or United States representative, the governor shall, by proclamation, call a special election to be held on a date not less than 60, nor more than 90, days after the date the vacancy occurs. However, if the vacancy occurs on a date that is less than 60 days before or is on or after the date of the primary election in the general election year during which a candidate to fill the office is regularly elected, the governor may not call a special election.
There will have to be a special election.
IowaHenry on November 6, 2008 at 08:34 PM
Don't loose any sleep over that one. They right-wing-nut-jobs just want you to continue to be scared.
I wonder what the reaction of the members of this blog will look like on November 5th when they realize the the ONE THEY HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR has lost to PRESIDENT JOHN SIDNEY MCCAIN III.
Now, you have to admit that does have a nice ring to it.
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THEGREATGAZOO ON SEPTEMBER 12, 2008 AT 10:01 PM
Republican dupes are funny
Obviously "Sally"
Can't Understand Normal Thinking
so why does everyone keep talking to it?
IowaHenry on November 6, 2008 at 08:34 PM
That's a f**king laugh. Knock off the conservative bullshit.
A good example of how these bastards handled our money is the Great Republican Depression of 2009 which started last month.
The neocons were also really great at redistributing the wealth when the gave the rich a huge tax cut which they failed to trickle down to the poor working slobs of this country.
Stick it!
IowaHenry on November 6, 2008 at 08:52 PM
I read what you posted. It seems slanted to me.
I checked the link. It seems sort of okay but it is certainly not a well known or respected "news" site.
I googled the words you indicated and found no MSM reports on this subject.
I also googled Sarah hansard. She seems pretty centerist. So I think she is okay.
I think these kinds of things are discussed often. Most don't make it out of committee if they are even brought up seriously at all.
I stand by my statement that the right-wing-nut-jobs want us all to be scared.
Relax.
Another example of republican insight:
BTW, Fred Thompson is a fine judge of character. He was dead on about Sarah Palin.
Learn to like her. She's going to be around for awhile.
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THEGREATGAZOO ON SEPTEMBER 12, 2008 AT 09:29 PM
I listened to the right wing wacko radio for about 3 minutes. This guy called in saying that Obama was going to have a civilian militia. He was all afraid what Obama would do with that militia. The DJ, talking head liying fool, at first said he didn't see why he would need that with Homeland Security and the Guard. But by the end, the lying fool was saying that obama said that.
First off the only civilian militia I know of is Bush's and Cheney's Blackwater. The public, for years, didn't even know that they had 80,000 of those civilians over in Iraq killing people.
No hysteric's from the people that love fear.
Centralist President is what we need for the good of this country, we don't need extreme left, or extreme right, the middle of the road is always better.
440chassie on November 6, 2008 at 07:25 PM
sorry chassie, got to disagree with you. What's the point of having political parties, if they all just meet down the center.
someone should have told JFK that too much left was a bad thing. Someone should have told all those Liberal Democrats that got us all the rights and issues over the years, like:
Social Security
Medicare
8 hour workday
minimum wage
child labor laws
Peace corp.
Headstart
Environmental issues
overtime pay
FDIC
FMLA
ADA
Space Program
Interstate Highways
Women’s Right to vote
Peace Corp
Food & Drug safety
Air and water safety
Nat’l Weather service
GI bill
Workers Comp
Unemployment insurance.
just to name a few.
Read what being a liberal meant to JFK:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/presidents/35_kennedy/psources/ps_nyliberal.html
It is the Republicans who made the word Liberal, i.e. a person on the left a dirty word, yet they all have benefited from what has been achieved. Do not get fooled into their scheme. You are much smarter than that.
Have to log out, Dems. I will blog ya tomorrow.
attempt to move 401K funds into the Social Security fund.
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IowaHenry on November 6, 2008 at 08:52 PM
The time to worry about it is when it is being worked on in committee. Contact your congressperson and tell them you disapprove, and they will know you are listening to right wing, wack nut radio and sites.
Good Day.
Has DICK Cheney come out of the closet, to congratulate Barack?
The Pugs, just don't get it talking about Palin, already running in 2012, they are full of B/S. She might in 2016, if she does i hope that Hilliary runs against her and destroys her sorry ass. Hilliary has got more smarts, in her left tit, then palin does in her brain.
I will stake my life on this that palin, will never be elected to President of the USA. She will not even get out of the Pug Primary.
Pugs are desperate if they even think that Palin, is a worthy candidate. Hell they can't even afford her clothes. She thinks that she is high maintenance.
Hi Chicago,
I heard that palin is going to join a nudist colony at the North Pole.
I heard that palin is going to join a nudist colony at the North Pole.
499Johne on November 6, 2008 at 09:34 PM
Johne,
Well it has been confirmed that she will have to give all the new clothes back...
Cate,
It is disgusting that the right wing Catholic voters gave rights to animals with Prop 2 but discriminated against human beings.
Pallin would make a very good Call Girl for the Pugs, with her attitude, I'm sure she can take them all on, and then go gut a moose. While she is staying at home, robing Alaskans with the per Diem crap.
Alaskans, are idiots, voting for Stevens, after he was convicted of 7 felony's.
No wonder a school girl got elected to the Gov. office. She does not even qualify for high school President of the senior class.
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PamB on November 6, 2008 at 09:24 PM
Pam, I think the center has moved to the left. The things you mentioned are, I believe, now the center's desire's and concerns.
After Katrina and poisened food and bad air days and coal mines collapsing and on and on and on, I think America woke up and realized we need good government. We do need basic protections.
Evidently McNuts is home smaking Cindy around today, with his violent temper. Sure has been nice not to hear his lies the last comple of days.
Oh well maybe Cindy gave him a couple of MIllion and told him to go and enjoy himself.
rporations, it will take coming together of the people to change that.
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Junko on November 6, 2008 at 03:50 PM
Are you f-ing blind or just cognatively challenged. What do you think 2 million ordinary american donors is. Do you even know what is the maximum donation an individual can make?
491PamB on November 6, 2008 at 09:24 PM
Pam i will respond to your post tomorrow, morning.
However beware that i disagree with you.
Chassie, the markets down, what looks good, if you don't mind?
Chassie, the markets down, what looks good, if you don't mind?
509newsjunkie on November 6, 2008 at 09:56 PM
News at this point you could probably throw a dart at the board, and pick a winner, if your a long term investor, if not here is a short term play that might pay off big time, Sun Tech (STP) its a solar play, which is a Obama play. that might pay off big, and is down about 35 percent in the last 2 days, but it will come back take my word for it. It is a solid company.
stan50 on November 6, 2008 at 09:34 PM
We are a very tolerant lot, but Joe Leiberman crossed the line. When you personally attack our nominee and our party, then you've got problems.
You can argue your point, but Joe personally attacked Obama.
If you haven't noticed Obama gave Palin a pass and the only thing close to a personal attack on McCain was this, "its not that he doesn't care, he just doesn't get it" and that was true.
McCain admitted himself, he didn't understand economics. McCain was born into wealth and lives in it and has no clue what it is like to wonder if you can pay your rent next month. If your job will be shipped overseas, etc.
Lieberman needs to go. The republicans can keep him. Because of Lieberman the republicans told all their radio listeners that we had a majority in the Senate, we did not.
Thanks Chassie.
This is a stupid question but I don't know the answer. What is the difference, other than price, between the bid, ask, open prices.
When the market closes in the US, are those traded overnight in other countries so they change and the open is different than the close?
511newsjunkie on November 6, 2008 at 10:07 PM
News, Liver lips is the sorriest excuse for a US. Senator, in the history of this country!!!
I hope his legs grow together!!!! And then gets lung cancer, and well you know the rest of that story. Some will think that i am a cruel person, but sorry that is the way i feel.
This fucking asshole cost us the 2000 election, and has been costing us ever since. Gore had very poor judgement in picking him as his running mate. Anybody else would of been better, and i knew that from day one. This man as far as I'm concerned has cost American lives, and national treasure. He's even worst then the chimp.
When the market closes in the US, are those traded overnight in other countries so they change and the open is different than the close?
512newsjunkie on November 6, 2008 at 10:14 PM
News, some companies, are traded over night in foreign countries, however not under the same US symbols. Not all companies are traded overseas just some of them. Mostly the major players like McDonald's, WalMart, Microsoft, and Intel, and several others, OK. And some of the overseas, companies are traded here, o.k. Example is Toyota, Honda, some tech companies, ect.
News don't even worry about the bid, that's, hogwash, If you want to buy a stock put in a limit order, or a market order. A market order will be what ever the stock is selling for at the current time which can vary greatly. A Limit order is what your willing to pay for the stock and not one penny more. Here's a example of a Limit order, lets say Wally World is selling for 55.00 per share, and you want to buy it, but you think the price is a little to high, you can put in a buy limit order, for what ever price you specify, lets say for 53.00 on a day like today cuz you can see the market is going down, and you want to get it at a cheaper price. So you put in a buy order for 53.00 or 52.00 or whatever, you might get it for that price and you might not. On a day like the last couple of days you probably will. But if the market turns up you probably won't. I hope I'm not confusing you but this is the way it is.
Thanks Chassie, it made perfect sense. One more thing, what do you think about Geothermal? It looks cheap, quiet, somewhat clean from what I can tell. Buffet has invested in it.
515newsjunkie on November 6, 2008 at 10:41 PM
News, i don't think that stock is good,
for this environment.
The stock that i gave you earlier is a better play STP. currently at about 12.35 it was a 26.00 dollar stock one week ago. And was at 40.00 dollars in the last year, I think that it is a good long term play and a good short term play, since Obama is going to be investing in Solar, and Wind power. Take this one and run with it.
News, i have been giving you the cream that i can come up with in this bad environment of stock investing. I'm not going to keep doing it, i'm afraid that i might give you a loser, and that might be the one that you pluck down more then you should, then you will be mad at me forever.
I'll never be mad at you. If I take a risk it is mine to take. I appreciate all of the good advice you have given, as you must spend a lot of time learning about these companies and following this stuff. Hey, you were right about Florida, and CHK and the first one. I didn't follow LINE very well. But I would never blame you if I invest in something that doesn't work out.
As you have said, if I don't feel good about it, then I shouldn't buy it.
News, thank you, for understanding.
Here is another one that I'm going to give you, i got lots of them but this one is in the shipping business, at sea. FRONTLINE LTD symbol, (FRO) currently at 30.75 give or take a few pennies, this stock was at 75.00 in the last year.
And here's the kicker news, it has got a UNBELIEVABLE 35 percent quarterly dividend, Yes you heard that right 35 percent on the dividend, if you get in now, check it out for yourself. A dividend like this means your money will double every 2 years even if the stock goes no where. This is like eating Alaska King Crap Legs, on a boat from the sea. It don't get any better then this as long as they keep paying this kind of a dividend.
Thanks Chassie, I was reading the financials on STP. It's interesting how they just come out there with the info. For instance, when the dollar goes up they hurt a little cause they have a lot of overseas business. Also, since they are new and smaller, they can't guarantee that they can get the polysilicon and silicon wafers. They depend on their contracts that sometimes are through distributors of those products. Also, with economies of scale and long term relationships by companies that have been in the business longer, puts them at a disadvantage if there is a shortage of these products.
I'll read up on FRO next. I've got to get into something other than the politics. I like to read and have an accounting degree so reading the financials will be cool. I'll let you know what I did, and thanks again.
I can't believe, or maybe I can, that Obama took MI, PA, OH, FL, when he got PA and OH I was like, it's over, we won. It was a mandate, we got our country back. I feel so much better for the kids future.
Talk with you later and thanks for everything!
As you have said, if I don't feel good about it, then I shouldn't buy it.
518newsjunkie on November 6, 2008 at 11:08 PM
News, what i really was trying to say is do your homework, on any stock that you might, or might, not buy. If your not familiar with the particular stock or the business, don't buy it. Here is a example of what I'm talking about, i don't know what your line of work is, or what your expertise is. But study the field that your familiar with, then you will be able to make a educated decision.
In the line of work that your familiar with.c
News that was a 35 percent yearly dividend, on FRO that is paid by the quarter, not a quarterly one.
See this is what I'm talking about i might make a mistake.
Hi everyone--
I am so happy with the election of Obama and Biden. I just wanted to post something here because I know people will read it and I think it is worth considering.
As someone who is progressive I did not care for Palin or her politics. However, I kept my comments focused on the issues and did not engage in name-calling. I see that the media is still having a field day with Palin and now I see that some Repubs are blaming her. Our politicians were dignified toward her throughout the campaign and some of our writers, journalists, media people, political commentators,etc. were as well, and I am proud of them. I am disappointed by the Dems and leftists in the media that sunk to call her names or make sexual remarks. I am also disheartened when I see people blogging and posting throughout cyberspace who make disparaging remarks and send pornographic pictures of likenesses of her throughout cyberspace.
How we respond to events reveals our true values and I thought we were a group that respected women. When I hear Democrats accuse her of sexually inappropriate behavior (the towel story) in an attempt to ruin her credibility by smearing her reputation, I think we need to remember our core values. We don't do that kind of stuff to people, right? Our politicians handled the situation with her very well and it makes me proud to be a Democrat, but when I hear our guys bashing her with name-calling I wonder if they know the core values. What is a liberal, or a progressive, or even a moderate centrist? Because if we don't have core beliefs then we are just Democrats.
It is amusing to hear Repubs now saying that she cost them the election. (What happened to the Repubs in this election is worth analyzing in order to understand them.) No, they cost McCain the election by forcing him to fall in with them lock-step. It is disturbing that their own people picked him in the primaries and yet what their constituents wanted did not matter, the party leaders and major players joined with their media and attacked him until he capitulated to their agenda, which is presently ultra-conservative. They seemed angry with their constituents. The message to their people was we don't care what you want, we want to go in this direction and you have to fall in with us. It is like they DISCIPLINED their own people. Does that sound like a democracy?
So, McCain went the route of backing Bush administration values and the party didn't vote for him. They did not fall in lock-step as ordered. What is disturbing is that now that this has backfired and they lost, they seem to want to scapegoat Palin. Palin didn't create the present state of the party, their leaders have set the tone. Nor did she run it. Yet she will be blamed.
I hope that when political commentators from the Republican side are interviewed on television, our media doesn't let them get away with it. They can try and blame one Governor but the truth is that their people left them because they would not follow along with a far-right agenda. I am sure the voting Republicans in the primaries found it insulting that their pick was not considered "adequate" enough. They offended their own group. To scapegoat Palin shows that they are still not ready to accept the fact that they cost McCain the election. Someone in the media should perhaps point it out to them.
531Sally-* on November 7, 2008 at 05:00 AM
No branless that is what we have dealt with for the last 8 years is dumber than rocks,now we finally have someone with some inteliagence!
ahhhh, Stevie. Still having those wet dreams about Palin? Maybe you should cash in some of those beer cans you dove into dumpsters for, and get rid of that itch !
You are very amusing with your rants. I could very easily post that link to the newspaper picture of your spawn, so people can judge for themselves what she looks like with those fat hips and thighs. and stringy hair and beady little eyes! :)
Do you know how many gals try and fool their families with boyfriends, when they really are closet homosexuals? But in any case, I sure hope she is using birth control because you would make a lousy grandfather after being such a lousy father. But that is another story for another day!!
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stan50 on November 7, 2008 at 02:27 AM
He was running against him for the job. Lieberman was not running for president, he was supporting McCain for president. nuff said
260,000 more jobs lost in October. Where did they go? All of those bush tax cuts to the rich, I guess they aren't hiring new people to stand around and do nothing, waiting for customers that aren't there.
If middle class America doesn't have purchasing power, good paying jobs, everyone suffers, including the rich.
If he does miserably, the electorate may require future applicants for the job to have some relevant experience.
Sarah 2012!
Now let's make it clear, is this just a 'taunt" or is it a prediction??? Which is it now, so I know whether to save it for 4 years or not!
If we are going to choose candidates on experience, let's hope the experience is more than stealing clothes on shopping sprees with Political parties donations. Let's hope the experience is a little class, where one does not come out in a towel when the media shows up in one's hotel room! One can hope that the experience is more than a two-bit job as Governor of the least sparsley populated state in the union, where you have to BUY your votes with oil checks. Let's hope the experience includes some Geography, so the future President knows where countries are and which are continents . Let's hope the experience does not make the candidate think they have foreign policy experience, because they can see another country from their country(even when they can't)! Let's hope they understand what a Doctrine is! Let's REALLY hope they read the newspapers and can cite even one of them they read every morning so they know what is going on in the country and the world. Let's hope the experience was not from joining Bizarre anti-American groups trying to get their state annexed from the USA! Or Far out Religious groups that used witchcraft as their foundation.
Kathy, you know what is funny is that the RNC wants the evangelicals, religious right as their base, but they don't want them running the show.
That's why they will ensure Palin's reputation is ruined. Not that that will be a difficult task.
They only want someone who says they are christian and pro life, not someone who would actually implement those policies.
The last thing the RNC and the old fiscal conservatives want is a wacko, tongue speaking, unkown heading up the party.
There is going to be a split, that party is done for a long, long, time.
Hi Kathy, Sure, will be happy to send on the picture. Make sure you do not have a mouthful of coffee when you open it! She is the last one on the right!
Yeah, I have been watching and reading how the Repug party is all in a dither, and going to have this big meetup to try and figure out how to try and fix the little bit they have left. Whether to stay way out there with the Sarah Palin type Religious fanatics, or whether to cater to Normal people, who look at other issues when they vote.
It will be interesting to see if they just decide to fold up their tents totally, and fade away in the night. These neo cons abused their power. They thought they could get away with corruption, crimes, sexual perversion because they had the majority and the Presidency. They thought taking away rights and privacy was their Executive privilege.
Well, now they have had their faces slapped and are down, and maybe, just maybe they may turn back into the party of Lincoln. Civilized human beings.
Please stop the gay bashing.
You guys are better than that.
Kathy, It will be up to all of us, to make sure the Dems do not get cocky and drunk on power too, and that this time around, Country and it's people will come first.
Gaod morning, all.
Sarah 2012! Pleeeease.
Look how she sunk McCain this year. Imagine what she could do at the top of the ticket.
I don't care if the Republican Party sends her to Oxford for the next four years, she will still be the dopey airhead we saw this election...only she's look even more ridiculous when she flubs up.
Some people can't help it. They are doomed by their own personalities. Sarah has the gift.
I'm going to a meeting. If Matt hasn't come put up a new Open Thread by the time I return, I'd suggest we all move to the Obama Speech Thread at the top of the blog.
We are approaching 600 posts. That's way too many for those on dial up to access.
Gotta run. later.
One for the road...
Bullies may get kick out of seeing others in pain
By Julie Steenhuysen Julie Steenhuysen –
CHICAGO (Reuters) – Brain scans of teens with a history of aggressive bullying behavior suggest that they may actually get pleasure out of seeing someone else in pain, U.S. researchers said on Friday.
While this may come as little surprise to those who have been victimized by bullies, it is not what the researchers expected, Benjamin Lahey of the University of Chicago, who worked on the study, said in a telephone interview.
"The reason we were surprised is the prevailing view is these kids are cold and unemotional in their aggression," said Lahey, whose study appears in the journal Biological Psychology.
"This is looking like maybe they care very much," said Lahey, who worked on the study with Jean Decety, also of the University of Chicago....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081107/sc_nm/us_brain_bullies
For those who don't think Republicans enjoy denying gays and women equal rights under the law, here is the evidence.
They enjoy watching us struggle and anguish over our fate. And, yes, they do turn to their religion and guns rights as a way to justify it, too.
Cowards and bullies.
I asked my elementary school aged son if he thought men should be able to marry men and women marry women. He said he thought people should be able to marry who they want to marry, although he said it is weird.
That is out of the mouth of a babe. I think he thought it to be weird because he, nor I, know any married gay couples.
I didn't know that gay existed until I was in my 20's. In past generations, it wasn't discussed like it is today. Because of all of these votes in the states, the children, at very young ages are told about it in the south. I have met many homophobes. The children go around in school accusing each other and asking each other if they are gay. They use it to bully because they are taught it is a sim. I find it sad. A third grader doesn't need to be contemplating their sexuality. I'm very pissed at the religious right for doing this to our babies. So much for being for the family.
Gregl- Your 10:11 was exactly right.
I don't bother speaking to Steve, he is a pathetic excuse for a human. I have a great deal of respect for both Pam and Kathy. Sometimes I think people don't realize what they are saying.
Yeah but for the back of the bus thing, you know, I never thought that any state would allow gays to marry. Perhaps I should be satisfied with one or two states having a clue. But I am not. I think that I should be treated like a full human being and be allowed to marry the woman that I love.
And it is personally disappointing for me because I had hoped that we could make our marriage legal in CA. It is where we will eventually retire and it would've made sense. MA or CT not so much.
Cate, I am sorry if my poking at the troll has hurt your feelings. There is nobody more tolerant than I am , with a gay step-brother in law and a 20 year old nephew . I could personally care less what orientation a person has, it is not my business.
It is only because this one troll has such a fear of gays, that I find tormenting him particularly fun.
Please accept my apologies to you. And come and visit MA and CT. You may decide you like it! Climate wise, it is not as nice as CA, but with NYC and Boston close by, with open minded Liberals in charge, it is a breath of fresh air !
I spent the weekend before Election Day in a GOTV effort in Columbus, Ohio. We made the trip from Washington, DC (having wrapped up the District). I wrote this Sunday night before the election:
“We phone banked, canvassed (in a Republican suburb), did visibility for Mary Jo Kilroy for Congress at today's Obama rally, and lobbied EVERYONE we saw. We even went bowling after a long day walking the neighborhoods.
The Obama rally at the State Capitol was an inspiration. I looked back at the adoring faces behind me as Barack spoke. Young and old, black, white, brown. And so many parents with kids, just wanting them to be a part of history, imploring them to listen. Proud black families. And a hand-written sign: "Rosa Parks sat so that Martin Luther King, Jr. could walk. Martin Luther King, Jr. walked so that Barack Obama could run. Barack Obama ran so that our children could fly.". A sweet compelling sentiment.
If WE win, I will be thrilled and exhausted. And if the country loses, I'll be disappointed, but not because of lack of effort. And finally (Blackberry fatigue!)... as we were leaving the bowling alley, the cashier (an older white woman) said she had not decided yet. We told her of the incredible opportunity that is before us: to elect an inspiring young, intelligent, thoughtful, and capable leader. I introduced her to Asa and my childhood friend who last campaign with me in New Haven 35 years ago but who made the trip from Boston. I explained that I had never invested so much time and effort for a candidate but so deeply believed in this choice for us all and for a new civility and progress in meeting the country's collective challenges. I think she was convinced and suspect fate brought us to the bowling alley!
I suppose I may have grown a little cynical about politics and the partisan sniping that has stymied so many good things (like reauthorization of SCHIP). The Obama campaign and incredible outpouring of support and organization has renewed my faith.”
Now, we’ve won. “Yes We Can” has become “Yes We Did” but now the real work begins.
(Of course, they're still counting the votes for Mary Jo in Ohio. Keep counting!)
Greetings to all you fine democrats! Chicago is a'fire with Obama fever.
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