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By Rina ChandranMUMBAI (Reuters) - Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari has appealed to India not to punish his country for last week's attacks in Mumbai, saying militants have the power to precipitate a war in the region, the Financial Times reported on Monday.
Zardari, whose wife Benazir Bhutto was assassinated by Islamist militants last year, warned that provocation by rogue "non-state actors" posed the danger of a return to war between the nuclear-armed neighbors.
"Even if the militants are linked to Lashkar-e-Taiba, who do you think we are fighting?" asked Zardari in an interview with the Financial Times.
"We live in troubled times where non-state actors have taken us to war before, whether it is the case of those who perpetrated (the) 9/11 (attacks on the United States) or contributed to the escalation of the situation in Iraq," said Zardari.
"Now, events in Mumbai tell us that there are ongoing efforts to carry out copycat attacks by militants. We must all stand together to fight out this menace."
The Mumbai assaults that killed nearly 200 people bore the hallmarks of Lashkar-e-Taiba, a Pakistan-based group blamed for previous attacks in India.
Indian officials have said most, perhaps all, of the 10 Islamist attackers who held Mumbai hostage with frenzied attacks using assault rifles and grenades came from Pakistan, a Muslim nation carved out of Hindu-majority India in 1947...
While President Zardari is essentially correct, he would be well adivsed to keep better control of his citizens and their actions. Furthermore, President Zardari should be doing more to comabt the terrorist who are based in his country. UBL, is in Pakistan as is Al-Qaeda, the LET, and the Taliban. Pakistan is still the most dangerous place on Earth and something is going to have be done about that and soon.
gee it turns out we been in a recession since last december...and all this time bush and his cronies have been saying fundamentals are good and we are not technically in a recession...i guess bush will apologize tonight...
President Elect Obama said "We only have one President." Yeah, it's nice to finally actually have a president - and at this moment in time - it's him, President Barak Obama.
marymac_memphis on December 1, 2008 at 04:22 PM
mary,
If Bush had known what was involved in being President, the would never have agreed to do it. Bush gleefully lead the upper classes, but he didn't want anything to to do with the rest of us. It was class warfare led by a less than class act.
gee so far the bush recession is the worst one since 1982...and there is a lot more to come. make sure no one gets away with blaming this on obama ( rush, trolls, etc. ) this disaster is clearly all bush all the time....can't wait for his ass to motor back down to the land of sage brush and cheap vodka...
Gregg on December 1, 2008 at 05:46 PM
But ... but ... I thought it was all in our heads and we are just a bunch of whiners!!!
Phil Gramm should be made sit in a corner with Bush & Paulson's dirty socks in his mouth!
Thank God we elected President Obama!
US manufacturing slumped to a 26-year low in November, highlighting the abrupt downturn in the world's biggest economy, a survey showed Monday.The Institute of Supply Management said its manufacturing index slumped 2.7 points to 36.2 percent, far below the 50 percent level that separates expansion and contraction. The level was the lowest since May 1982.
New orders fell even further to a level of 27.9 percent, suggesting the worst may not be over yet for the sector.
"When comparing November to October, the (index) indicates a continuing rapid rate of contraction in manufacturing," said ISM survey chief Norbert Ore.
"New orders have contracted for 12 consecutive months, and are at the lowest level since June 1980 when the index registered 24.2 percent."
"The manufacturing recession deepened further in November," said economist Peter Kretzmer at Bank of America.
"Orders plummeted at an increasing pace, and input prices continued their accelerating pace of decline. Both import and export orders also continued to fall."
Analysts pointed out the overall economy will have trouble escaping deep recession with manufacturing so weak...
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=081201191102.3uw0pjyd&show_article=1
Hey, China, f**k you! Well, I guess I can't be too hard on the Chinese. It was the GOP who originally sold us out.
SandyH on December 1, 2008 at 05:49 PM
He was (and still is) the worst President in the history of the country! I am so ashamed of him and the way that he lead this country!
Giving some credit to Howard Dean, since the party leaders seem not to be acknowledging his contributions. Including Borosage's comments as well..from Campaign for America's Future.
Dean: Politics is at its best when we create and inspire and sustain a sense of community.
Ignore the person who instituted that message, and we all lose a sense of belonging.
Good Evening Bob! I hope that your Thanksgiving was good and safe.
Jimmy Carter remains our worst President ever. He is also the worst ex President ever.
Obama has the potential of replacing Carter as the worst President ever but only if he governs from the left. He probably won't do that though.
American teenagers lie, steal and cheat more at "alarming rates," a study of nearly 30,000 high school students concluded Monday.The attitudes and conduct of some 29,760 high school students across the United States "doesn't bode well for the future when these youngsters become the next generation's politicians and parents, cops and corporate executives, and journalists and generals," the non-profit Josephson Institute said.
In its 2008 Report Card on the Ethics of American Youth, the Los Angeles-based organization said the teenagers' responses to questions about lying, stealing and cheating "reveals entrenched habits of dishonesty for the workforce of the future."
Boys were found to lie and steal more than girls.
Overall, 30 percent of students admitted to stealing from a store within the past year, a two percent rise from 2006. More than one third of boys (35 percent) said they had stolen goods, compared to 26 percent of girls...
Ah yes, the children of the "greed is good" generation are growing up. Thank you, GOP. Your "moral values" sure have taken hold. Bunch of thrice-damned f$*%^&g idiots...
Over Thanksgiving, someone asked me to pick one word to describe S. Palin, to which I replied "Dishonest."
Sarah Palin Still Wearing Campaign Clothes
After a 12-day hiatus, Sarah Palin stepped back into the spotlight on Monday to campaign for Georgia Senator Saxby Chambliss. Spectators experienced déjà vu as the Alaska governor sported the same jacket she had worn on the campaign trail this fall. Was Palin valiantly recycling old clothes or defiantly wearing items from her $150,000 wardrobe? You be the judge.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/01/sarah-palin-still-wearing_n_147520.html
marymac_memphis on December 1, 2008 at 06:04 PM
Indeed it was, Mary. And yours?
Sally-* on December 1, 2008 at 06:04 PM
As usual, you're in the minority with that opinion, sport, especially the post-presidency.
Rush Limbaugh Endorses Hillary for Obama's Cabinet
NEW YORK -- Rush Limbaugh has seldom been a fan of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. But the conservative radio pundit has given his blessing to her selection as the next secretary of state.
He calls it "a brilliant stroke" by President-elect Barack Obama, who opposed Clinton for the Democratic nomination.
Limbaugh weighs in on the new administration as one of Barbara Walters' "10 Most Fascinating People of 2008," which airs Thursday on ABC
President Zardari should be doing more to comabt the terrorist who are based in his country. UBL, is in Pakistan as is Al-Qaeda, the LET, and the Taliban. Pakistan is still the most dangerous place on Earth and something is going to have be done about that and soon.
BobVADemocratHawk on December 1, 2008 at 05:24 PM
Bob,
We agree. Pakistan is where action has always been needed.
Nobody in Pakistan has been reigning in these terrorist groups since they've been identified. We all know where they're being given sheltered and why they continue to thrive there.
President Zardari essentially just took office, but it's his charge to control the situation in his own country. If he won't step up to the bat ASAP, others must.
Obama should initiate a plan of action and bring in Russia and China to back him up. There is a very real threat of a regional nuclear war here that could go global...forcing more nations to arm themselves with atomic bombs. This cannot happen.
During the debates, Barack Obama isolated Pakistan as being ground zero in confronting international terrorism and that he wouldn't back away from taking action there. I believed him then and Pakistan better believe it now.
Obama is going to be tested overseas shortly after he takes office...but he will be the one doing the testing of his own capabilities. That's the way real leaders attack a problem.
marymac_memphis on December 1, 2008 at 06:24 PM
I hope the RNC gets that rectified soon. Poor ol' Sally is chomping at the bit waiting to see those used drawers come up on E-Bay.
Still whining about the lovely and talented Sarah I see. With good reason though as she will probably defeat Obama in 4 years.
president bush is our worst President ever. He is also the worst ex President ever.
Limbaugh weighs in on the new administration as one of Barbara Walters' "10 Most Fascinating People of 2008," which airs Thursday on ABC...
You know the country has gone to hell if Limbaugh is one of the most fascinating people of 2008... not a vintage year by anyone's standards.
Didn't anyone tell Barbara WaWa that Limbaugh's Operation Chaos didn't work? His miscalculation actually resulted in allowing the man he wanted to stop in the primaries to win in a landslide in the general in November. Is Limbaugh fascinating or just plain pathetic?
i dont think sarah will get the chance to run again obama she worst was draG ON MAcain she wont get the chance to run some one who better that can speak and think for him or her self
Sally-* on December 1, 2008 at 06:29 PM
It's more likely that she will defeat herself in two years...if she even tries to run for re-election as Governor in 2010.
Governor Palin is facing a state budget crisis and won't be able to mail out those welfare checks that she bribed the voters with the first go-around. What is a working girl to do?
Get thee back to Juneau and start hitting the oil cartel for more booty, Sister...or it's going to be bailout time for Sarah, too.
win in a landslide in the general in November. Is Limbaugh fascinating or just plain pathetic?
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SandyH on December 1, 2008 at 06:32 PM
Uh, Obama did not win in a landslide. A landslide is like when Reagan beat Mondale 526 to 13 in electoral votes.
WTF?????
Jeb Bush: GOP Should Set Up "Shadow Government"
"The party should establish a loyal opposition and "organize ourselves in the form of a shadow government" that would address key issues, providing the public with "a loftier debate about policy" rather than mere partisanship."
Governor Palin is facing a state budget crisis and won't be able to mail out those welfare checks that she bribed the voters with the first go-around. What is a working girl to do?
SandyH on December 1, 2008 at 06:38 PM
Alaska is not facing a budget crisis. They have $30 billion in their rainy day fund much of it due to Sarah.
SandyH on December 1, 2008 at 06:25 PM
Now that President-Elect Obama is using serious, intelligent people for his cabinet, I think we have a good shot at fixing this up. If not, I'd say let the Indians handle it. India should be capable of handling Pakistan now.
Boys were found to lie and steal more than girls...
No wonder most Republican men don't want the ERA passed...or Hillary in a position of power.
Sally-* on December 1, 2008 at 06:42 PM
I wonder how much of that $30 billion, if it really exists, came from the socialistic practice of making oil companies pay off the citizens of AK through the state government?
Sally-* on December 1, 2008 at 06:40 PM
You can't face reality even now. Obama won by nearly 8 million votes and 150 electoral votes...and he's not senile so he knows he has a mandate.
I wonder how much of that $30 billion, if it really exists, came from the socialistic practice of making oil companies pay off the citizens of AK through the state government?
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BobVADemocratHawk on December 1, 2008 at 06:46 PM
No, it came from the Capitalistic practice of selling oil at market prices.
Sally-* on December 1, 2008 at 06:45 PM
We only need two more states to ratify the ERA and all of them are turning royal blue. Maybe you'll get lucky and see it happen in your lifetime...just like a black president being sworn in.
Good night fellow Democrats. Keep the Faith and keep the faith. Yes we can, yes we will, and yes we did!
BOB ! I was hoping you would appear for round #2
In regards to the "strong on defense" claim, while we are able to cite great Democratic leaders such as FDR, Truman, and JFK, there are also the Kucinich's and the Sheehan's, among others, who wouldn't fight if someone walked up and smacked them in the mouth. There are those in our own party now who would have us withdraw from Afghanistan because, occasionally, there are innocent people being killed. Thus is the nature of war. (kuckinich is one person, and sheehan is not even a leader. And I guess people like the Pope, Jesus, Mother Teresa, would also turn the other cheek, but then what the heck do they know?)
No third term abortions means no third term abortions as a means of birth control. If the life of the mother is threatened, then so be it, however, the child should be saved becuase we know of numerous cases where children have lived after as little as 24 weeks of gestation(As a Means of Birth Control? Do you have any idea what a woman would go thru, in the 7,8 or 9th months to get rid of a pregnancy? My estimation of the numbers of times this is used for birth control is probably NONE. And, So are you saying let the Mother die, but keep the baby alive at all costs? Sure they live, but almost always with severe complications, and with no mother, that should be a Father’s nightmare).
As far as Affirmative Action goes, its time has come and gone. The election of Barack Obama has proven that. There are sufficeint anti-discrimination laws on the books now to combat the idiots in Appalachia and their like-minded ilk. Affirmative Action is the antithesis of what it is supposed to combat. Affiramtive Action is the hiring or granting a position based on race or gender. Each individual needs to stand on their own merit. (You never watched those 20./20 exposes, where they showed black person and a white person applying for same job, and the white one always get it? Aff. Action is still necessary, unfortunetly)
You're correct to point out the gun show loophole. To solve that, a centerist position would be that anyone entering a gun show to buy a firearm, and they do sell other things beside firearms, must get a special pass that says they are legally eligible to buy a firearm. VA has an excellent system in place where a gun dealer punches in your SSN and the results come back in less than a minute. Do that as the people come through the door, and that ends the gun show loophole. (Then you are saying there are other exceptions for Gun Control.)
And finally, in regards to welfare, where is your entrepeneurial spirit? Even during the Hoover Depression, people sold pencils and fruit on street corners. As I spoke with Esme this morning, she reminded me that while the economy may be good in some states it could very well just plain suck in others. My interpretation of the centerist view on this would be dole out federal funds according to each state's unemployment rate. (the economy is not good in ANY state. Unemployment trickles down , and even here we have it. Have you read how many people applied for a turkey and food this year? And this is just the beginning. The perfect world will be when there are enough jobs to go around , and no one will go hungry)
And while you can cite all of those justifiable reasons that welfare is needed, and in fact, deserved, I can cite numerous reasons where it is undeserved such as ne'er-do-well mothers who keep cranking out babies just to get increases in benefits. If we redo welfare reform, and there is a case for such, then one of the major components is going to have to be fraud protection. I'd much rather spend a billion or two on fraud protection than to lose tens of billions for people scamming the system. (Bob, Bob, now this one is straight from the Republicans handbook for Idiots. Bill clinton’s welfare rule, put an end to the length of time a person on welfare could receive money, the maximum amount she will receive regardelss of number of children, make children having babies live in with their Mothers, not have their own houses, etc. This is already in place. Go onto your own State of VA, Dept. of Child Services and read your rules there)
A centerist has no problem helping those who need it but we do have major issues with people who are too lazy or incompetent to get up off their dead arses and go to work. And the current economic condition, with unemployment at 6.5%, is no excuse especially since during the Carter Administration it was upwards of 12% and during the Hoover Depression it was upwards of 25%. But even at those numbers, the inverse must still apply. During the Carter Administration, there was 88% employment therefore, one must conclude that there were jobs available. (Again, you bought Reagan’s political rhetoric that Welfare queens drive to the office to get their checks in their cadillacs. NOT TRUE then, not true now.)
In closing, we're a lot closer on policy than our opinions here would indicate. The trick is distinguish our positions amongst the sheeple. The 15% - 25% of us, on both sides of the aisle, that stay informed have it incumbent upon ourselves to explain what is going on to the sheeple and how proposed policy would affect their lives while countering the misinformation from opposing politicians. Case in point would be how the GOP tried to make President-Elect Obama out to be something between a socialist and a Marxist when, in fact, if his cabinent choices are any indication, he is a centerist. But labels aren't that important as we near the Obama Presidency. The individual policies and bills will be. And as much as we'll detest having to do such, it'll come down as to who can make a better case for support or opposition of a bill as opposed to the actual merits of the case just os the sheeple can have their eight-second soundbites.
Here is why I became and am not ashamed to be called a Left leaning Liberal:
What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?" If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of "Liberal." But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."
But first, I would like to say what I understand the word "Liberal" to mean and explain in the process why I consider myself to be a "Liberal," and what it means in the presidential election of 1960.
I believe in human dignity as the source of national purpose, in human liberty as the source of national action, in the human heart as the source of national compassion, and in the human mind as the source of our invention and our ideas. It is, I believe, the faith in our fellow citizens as individuals and as people that lies at the heart of the liberal faith. For liberalism is not so much a party creed or set of fixed platform promises as it is an attitude of mind and heart, a faith in man's ability through the experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men the amount of justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves.
MORE BY JFK HERE
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/presidents/35_kennedy/psources/ps_nyliberal.html
marymac_memphis on December 1, 2008 at 06:42 PM
Jeb Bush, a Man Without a Country to run as president in....courtesy of his brother's arrogance, corruption, and incompetence. A shadow government is the only thing Jeb's ever going to preside over.
Jeb Bush, a Man Without a Country to run as president in....courtesy of his brother's arrogance, corruption, and incompetence. A shadow government is the only thing Jeb's ever going to preside over.
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SandyH on December 1, 2008 at 06:55 PM
I wouldn't be so sure of that. If Obama turns out to be a bumbler like Carter and we get more 9/11's, the people will be begging for a Bush back in 2012.
Zogby: Palin Top 2012 Contender
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is the slight favorite of Republican voters as the best candidate the party could run for President in 2012. When all voters are asked that questions, Palin falls into a three-way tie with Mitt Romney and Bobby Jindal.
Those are among the findings of a Zogby Interactive poll of 24,964 voters conducted from Nov. 7-18. The margin of error for the entire sample is +/-0.6 percent.
Voters were offered the choices of Palin, former Massachusetts Gov. Romney, Louisiana Gov. Jindal, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, Texas Rep. Ron Paul and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani. All but Palin and Jindal were candidates for the 2008 nomination. Voters also could choose someone else.
Palin led among Republicans with 24.4 percent of the vote, followed by Romney with 18 percent, and Jindal with 15.6 percent. Among all voter, all three were in a virtual dead head, each sharing between 13 and 12 percent of the sampling. Rounding out the field in single digits were Huckabee, Giuliani, and Paul.
bush is the biggest bumbler of all the president and bush only get two terms dumb nuts obama will fix all bush mistaks
sally dream on the american people will vote Obama back him for second term because he dose such good job in first term
AIG Pulls Fast One -- "Cash Awards" Going To Managers
You may remember that AIG -- which is afloat only thanks to a bailout by you, the taxpayer, to the tune of $152 billion and counting--made a whole lot of public relations when its top seven executives agreed not to take bonuses this year.
Well, on the eve of Thanksgiving, obviously knowing the markets would be closed on the holiday and obviously knowing that just before the holiday few people would pay attention, AIG actually notified regulators that, well, yes, bonuses would be given out, as Bloomberg News and The Financial Times reports today:
American International Group Inc., the insurer that said yesterday it scrapped bonuses for top executives after a U.S. bailout, will still pay 130 managers "cash awards" to stay with the firm, including $3 million to retirement services chief Jay Wintrob.
Wintrob, 51, will get the "retention" payment in two installments, the first in April 2009 and the rest a year later, New York-based AIG said today in a regulatory filing. The firm previously disclosed the program in a Sept. 26 filing and said today that Wintrob and Chief Financial Officer David Herzog elected to get the payments four months later than planned.
"The expectation from the public and Congress was that they weren't getting bonuses, not that they'd be pushed off by several months," said David Schmidt, a consultant at executive pay firm James F. Reda & Associates. "That clearly violates the spirit of AIG saying they'll forgo their bonuses."[emphasis added]
Sally-* on December 1, 2008 at 06:48 PM
With the way the lovely and talented Sarah dresses for success and charges the state for whenever her family (all 8 of them and their assorted boyfriends and offspring) travel or even stays in their own home in Wisilla, that $30 billion will be gone in no time.
It's probably already being spent on building that highway to the Bridge to Nowhere that hasn't even been built...and other such wasteful projects initiated by the corrupt Republican Party in Alaska.
Have unlimited expense account; will travel...and talk and talk and talk.
I predict that Palin and Joe the Plumber will someday be part of a tag team celebrity wrestling competition on reality TV. That's where all B List Republican celebrities end up...with Tanya Harding.
She certainly couldn't be a contestant on "Are you Smarter than a Fifth Grader." She can't dance can she? Please say she can't dance.
Good night, everyone.
the people will be begging for a Bush back in 2012.
Sally-* on December 1, 2008 at 06:57 PM
The people of some backwoods country like Georgia?
I know that President Obama has a lot on his shoulders and it almost seems like everyone in the entire world expects him to solve the entire world's problems on his first day in office, which is simply not possible. He has -so far - named a good team to help but if they do not put a 'smack down' on these executives who run their companies into the ground and then take millions in bonuses! These bonuses and 'golden parachutes' need to be retroactively taxed for the last 8 years to the tune of 90%!
I see the liberal dopes have dropped back into their world of pretend today.
Sandy, when is the last time you voted for a federal judge? They serve for life, and when they legislate taxes or programs that use taxpayers money, that is taxation without representation.
Truth out and think progress are just dopey left wing sites, not credible.
Obama was elected on the economy, it is his ONE and only "mandate".
So Jebbie is so pissed off that Chimpy RUINED the Shrub family enterprise of war profiteering going back all the way to the War of 1812 and including the sinking of the Maine that Jebbie is actively and vocally espousing TREASON??
WTF is his so called "shadow government" supposed to be doing that the elected Government won't know about?
His fat ulcer ridden bitch of a spawner is a descendant of shitty "President" Franklin Pearce, so I guess shitty "Presidents" runs in the family.
It's time to nip this DNA strain in the bud, and Chimpy handed the world the scalpel.
CHIMPY personally RUINED the Bush, Walker, Pearce, Ellis and other mutant strains of that low end of the gene pool.
Those names are finito in American politics for quite a while.
He sucks.
BTW, ASSHOLE*, Sarah Moron has to make it through the Pug Primaries in 2012. Do you really think she will compete against Romney, Huckabee, and "Other nut jobs" and still make it through the first round of Primaries?
YOU are NUTS. Yew Betcha!
She ain't gonna be plucked out of obscurity 1 week before the Pug convention like 2008 just to placate the Fundies, and hope for the P.U.-ma assclowns (Ahem, Evil Ellie) and the perpetual masturbaters like Silly* who think her best qualification for the job is the size of her ass and the fact that an idiot friendless hermit thinks she's "a babe".
Jebbie needs to be sent to Gitmo for announcing his plan to run a "shadow government".
When his old man did it, JFK was murdered.
The Shrub family is DIRTY.
Chris Matthews is upset with the name of Bush's Homeland Security Agency. He says that Homeland implies all kinds of vile connotations...that we should call it Civil Defense. I agree. It sounds fascist. We should change the name of all of Bush's stupid initiatives if not just get rid of them outright.
Bye.
cactus if you dont like taxes then give up your social security and medicare then you dope that how their funded go fend for your self you done them like keep telling us
DoPeyDoodle's post have become unreadable with his infestation of hate and filth. I think I shall skip those evil posts of his.
WORST PRESIDENT IN THE US HISTORY
The U.S. economy fell into a recession in December 2007, the National Bureau of Economic Research reported on Monday. Many economists believe the current downturn will last until the middle of 2009 and will be the most severe slump since the 1981-82 recession.
On the war in Iraq, Bush said the biggest regret of his presidency was the "intelligence failure" regarding the extent of the Saddam Hussein threat to the United States. With the support of Congress, Bush ordered the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003 — a decision largely justified on grounds — later proved false — that Saddam was building weapons of mass destruction.
Asked if he would have ordered the U.S.-led invasion if intelligence reports had accurately indicated that Saddam did not have the weapons, Bush replied: "You know, that's an interesting question. That is a do-over that I can't do. It's hard for me to speculate."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081201/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_interview
One for the road:
Diebold Vote Company Whistleblower and GOP Cyber Security Expert: 2002 Chambliss Senate Race Was Rigged
WASHINGTON, Dec 01, 2008 /PRNewswire-USNewswire via COMTEX/ -- In an exclusive interview with Velvet Revolution ("VR"), a DC based non-profit dedicated to a clean and accountable government, a former Diebold vote machine contractor who was in charge of preparing the 2002 election between Saxby Chambliss and Max Cleland has stated that the software patches placed on the voting machines in the weeks prior to the election could have rigged the election in favor of Republican Chambliss. The contractor, Chris Hood, was ordered by the President of Diebold, Bob Urosevich, to secretly install uncertified software patches on machines in predominantly Democratic counties, according to Mr. Hood. Saxby Chambliss won a surprising victory after trailing badly in the pre-election polls.
Who is certifying these machines this election?
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PamB on December 1, 2008 at 06:52 PM
"And finally, in regards to welfare, where is your entrepeneurial spirit? Even during the Hoover Depression, people sold pencils and fruit on street corners."
You have a point. However, it wasn't just pencils and fruit, and not just on street corners. People in the cities raised pigeons for the meat.
Cash was in short supply, and a lot of the transactions made during the Great Depression were barter transactions.
Anyone with a skill or just a strong back and willingness to work would trade work for food or some job they didn't have the skills to do.
My uncle, who was a doctor was often paid in produce, chickens, home cured hams or eggs. Hobos (Depression term for homeless men) would trade wood chopping, swamping out a store, farm labor, or other manual labor for a meal.
(Why did the tramp mop the restaurant floor? Oh, just for the halibut. ;-p)
Older women would find that pair of hand knitted socks or hat might get a leaky faucet or a broken window fixed.
My Dad did handyman work to supplement the 25 cents an hour he was making at the pen factory. Mom took an unwanted man's overcoat, and made my older sister a winter coat.
Most people had their own gardens and could do without a lot of groceries, at least in the summer, the winter too, if the garden was large enough and they knew how to can. A lot of small towns had no town ordinances against keeping chickens in town and the neighbors wouldn't complain because they either had chickens or were willing to barter for eggs. (My family still had both garden and chickens into the 1950s)
Especially during a Depression, "gun control" means hitting your target. Ammunition costs money and you didn't want to waste it. People ate a wide variety of game during the Depression, some of which, like raccoon, groundhog, and possum which are not generally considered haute cuisine.
People are pretty resourceful, when they have to be. Cash is needed for a lot of things in the present economy, but if push comes to shove, people can reduce the amount of cash they need to live, and get along until better times.
Tweety is making noises about running against Arlen Specter and he wants to run as a DEM.
Good luck with that, Tweety.
That asshole couldn't go more that 10 seconds without mentioning "Hillary" or "Bill" for years.
He can go on and get his fat ass stomped in the Primary. THAT will get his boring foghorn off the tube for a while.
PLEASE!! TWEETY!!!
ANNOUNCE NOW!!
(Then forever shut up.)
The U.S. economy fell into a recession in December 2007, the National Bureau of Economic Research reported on Monday.
PB
That crook Dodd was running the senate banking committee then wasn't he , pammy.
cactus bush is the biggest crook of all and he was president
Sally-* on December 1, 2008 at 07:36 PM
GREAT!
Drink a gallon of antifreeze and do the entire world a favor. asshole*.
Get lost, LOSER.
in an last chance effort to save this blog from the idiotic endeavor of arguing with the troll about the next election ( which gives the troll four years to jerk our chains ) can i suggest we return to the age old practice ( not practiced with any regularity anymore if ever ) of ignoring the fucking idiot?
free imaginary ice cream will be granted to all those who can resist the temptation to win an argument with the babbling pinhead.
but really folks what possible reason could there be given our good fortune politically to argue about palin, if evolution is a fact, who will win in 2012, whose recession it is and so on..???
please ignore the troll.
BTW,
The last word I got was that Dodd did not get a discount of 75,000 on his loan, countrywide gave him 75,000 cash with the loan, the FBI is looking into it.
Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on December 1, 2008 at 07:48 PM
I don't know what you said cause I stopped reading your dopey posts.
Shut up greggy - ya fucktard!
free imaginary ice cream will be granted
Why not, with pammy and Robert posting most of the people on here are "imaginary".
gregg on December 1, 2008 at 07:50 PM
I'll second that motion! Ignore trolls!
“…we may have as little as 10 years before we cross a kind of point-of-no-return…”
A guest post by: Russ Steele from NCWatch on WattsUpwithThat
We can only hope the most people in the US are shopping on Black Friday and not watching the Oprah Winfrey Show today. Al Gore has brought his global warming propaganda machine to share with Oprah. You can find the details on Oprah’s web page. Here are some of the topics that Gore is pushing:
Classic Gore:
“Some of the leading scientists are now saying we may have as little as 10 years before we cross a kind of point-of-no-return, beyond which it’s much more difficult to save the habitability of the planet in the future” Gore says.
Yes, but Al you have been saying that for over ten years and we are still here. And in the last ten years the global temperatures stopped rising and are now in decline.
Lets have a contest to determine who makes the best goombah sauce.
Gregg: It was a great election and it is still 'going.' If I had not been working 2 jobs, I would have visited friends and done some 'work' for Martin down in Georgia. I'm so glad that Begich won in AK!
The contest is only open to Dagos, goombahs, Guidos, guineas and wops.
martin is a long shot but i have sent some money. turns out he is a vietnam vet which seems to have hardly been mentioned...of course the asshole he is running against is another in a long line of republican chicken hawks....prides himself in beating a war hero by lying about his service...with the help of that vampire coulter...what ever happened to that witch, i would have thought she'd have offered to baby sit palin's kids during the campaign as an easy way to get a few free meals of baby blood....
Oh I can't wait for the tales Hilary will tell, getting shot at every where her plane lands as Sec. of State.
And Bill, the women he will shoot with his "cigar", while Hilary is busy.
apparently the democratic senate can mess with the minn senate election even if the vote count comes out with colefoot in the lead. sure hope they do so. take no prisoners when dealing with the folks who have so screwed with our country.
gregg on December 1, 2008 at 08:18 PM
I saw an article last week where Man Coulter had her jaw wired shut because of a break. (I swear I didn't do it! I only wanted to!)
apparently the democratic senate can mess with the minn senate election even if the vote count comes out with colefoot in the lead. sure hope they do so. take no prisoners when dealing with the folks who have so screwed with our country.
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gregg on December 1, 2008 at 08:21 PM
At their own peril they would try to flip an election.
How is it clever to call Mr Coleman colefoot. What does that mean? Why is it funny?
For Franken, a math problem
Challenged ballots may offer the Senate challenger a path to overtaking Coleman, but numbers indicate it would be a tough route.
By PAT DOYLE and GLENN HOWATT, Star Tribune
Last update: November 30, 2008 - 4:41 PM
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Thank You Garbageacct1. Not used to such informed civility.....
I doubt that the Senate will intervene. However i did read your reference. Seems general enough guidance to be harmless while equally as … read more dangerous. I would imagine that the Franken team is challenging and making claims of impropriety to tempt Mr Reid to step in after the Chamblis anticipated win. It would seem that with a Democratic Secretary of State and a balanced Canvassing board.....a fair election albeit close, a clean looking re-count and a unanimous canvassing board opinion on the rejected ballots.......It would appear based on the added Coleman challenges, the Senator should win by a 135 to 150 votes. I am not even sure if a "Fifth Pile" resulting from an absentee ballot review would net enough votes to statistically change the outcome ? It is a shame that all the posts attesting to the Minnesota election fairness is polluted by right and left wing fringes. We counted. We are recounting. We ruled on rejected ballots. Friday we get a Senator. There is no basis for litigation other than to overcome a shortage of votes.
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While a tiny margin separates the candidates in the Minnesota U.S. Senate race, it is wide enough that Democrat Al Franken faces a daunting task in challenging votes to erase Sen. Norm Coleman's lead.
The two sides have disputed thousands of the other's votes, but many of those challenges are regarded by experts as frivolous.
To win his case before the state Canvassing Board, Franken must prevail on more than 6 percent of his challenges of Coleman votes even if Coleman fails to succeed on any of his challenges, a Star Tribune analysis shows.
If the outcome of past election disputes provides a clue, Franken will have a hard time reversing enough votes to win, said one veteran elections official who has been involved in the Senate recount.
"Based upon the kinds of challenges I've been looking at in the last two weeks, I think that's just not going to happen," said Joe Mansky, Ramsey County elections manager.
Franken's campaign said Friday that the gap between the candidates isn't as wide as it appears and expressed confidence that his challenges would prove generally more meritorious than Coleman's.
But Mansky said earlier that Franken has a better chance of winning by suing to force the counting of absentee ballots that the Democrat contends were mistakenly rejected.
"Franken's best [and perhaps his only] chance will be in court, not with the recount," Mansky said.
The Canvassing Board last week denied a Franken request that it reconsider all rejected absentee ballots, but left open the possibility of taking up some on a case-by-case basis. The board indicated that it expects the issue to wind up in court.
Oops
For Franken, a math problem
Challenged ballots may offer the Senate challenger a path to overtaking Coleman, but numbers indicate it would be a tough route.
By PAT DOYLE and GLENN HOWATT, Star Tribune
While a tiny margin separates the candidates in the Minnesota U.S. Senate race, it is wide enough that Democrat Al Franken faces a daunting task in challenging votes to erase Sen. Norm Coleman's lead.
The two sides have disputed thousands of the other's votes, but many of those challenges are regarded by experts as frivolous.
To win his case before the state Canvassing Board, Franken must prevail on more than 6 percent of his challenges of Coleman votes even if Coleman fails to succeed on any of his challenges, a Star Tribune analysis shows.
If the outcome of past election disputes provides a clue, Franken will have a hard time reversing enough votes to win, said one veteran elections official who has been involved in the Senate recount.
"Based upon the kinds of challenges I've been looking at in the last two weeks, I think that's just not going to happen," said Joe Mansky, Ramsey County elections manager.
Franken's campaign said Friday that the gap between the candidates isn't as wide as it appears and expressed confidence that his challenges would prove generally more meritorious than Coleman's.
But Mansky said earlier that Franken has a better chance of winning by suing to force the counting of absentee ballots that the Democrat contends were mistakenly rejected.
"Franken's best [and perhaps his only] chance will be in court, not with the recount," Mansky said.
The Canvassing Board last week denied a Franken request that it reconsider all rejected absentee ballots, but left open the possibility of taking up some on a case-by-case basis. The board indicated that it expects the issue to wind up in court.
i saw that story about coulter but i thought it was a joke. let me do some research...
Butte on December 1, 2008 at 07:40 PM
Hi Butte, that point you took out of my debate with Bob Hawk, was something HE said. I was responding to that.
We were always poor too, and my Mother had me babysitting at age 9 years old in steady jobs for 25 cents per hour, she had me working washing dishes from about age 10 at the Jewish temple every time they had a holiday feast, she had me working various Democratic balls as coat check girl, typing envelopes when I never knew how to type, etc. I paid for my own school books and clothes from the time I was a little girl. I have never been afraid of hard work, and do not like people who want to beat the system. But of course, there are always Children who get hurt, when you try and hurt the parents by holding back help. There are disabled and the elderly, who cannot pay for medicine or make ends meet without aid. There are the homeless, who granted some may be alcoholic or drug addicted, but it is an illness and should be treated as such.
McCain would never have related to this class of people. Obama does.
"Bill Clinton mentioned for wife's Senate seat"
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/01/clinton.replacement/index.html
I have no doubt that he could do the job and do it very, very well but, my question is: Why would he want to?
mary it looks like she is still writing her vile crap but no one reads it anymore...i think her concept of "perfecting the jews" was a little too....er....1930's germanic for even the reich wing in this country. seems to me it was around that time that she disappeared from fux news and such...
Olberman just called Max Cleland a war hero.
Cleland blew himself up with his own hand grenade. That dumb shit is the exact opposite of a war hero.
Good evening Pam. I saw your 'ladies' over the weekend on ESPN and from what little I was 'allowed' to watch (guys had the clicker the whole weekend), they looked great - like they deserved every bit of that #1 ranking.
Ann Coulter sells more books than all the liberal pundits combined.
gregg on December 1, 2008 at 09:01 PM
Seems like there are some 'shake ups' going on over at the 'F' channel. I seem to remember reading something a few weeks ago about Murdoch saying pubically that he is ashamed of Ailes and the way that he has run Faux News.
Nope, Asswipe*. The US Senate has FINAL say on who is allowed in. NOT the Pug hacks on Chimpy's Daddy's cock sucking Supreme Court this time.
IT'S WRITTEN IN THE CONSTITUTION!
Analyst: Senate may decide Minn. election
How is that, you say? Well, It Has Happened Before.
So, has it ever happened? Sure. In fact, according to a 2005 paper (PDF) by Prof. Jeffrey A. Jenkins of Northwestern University, there have been 132 contested Senate elections through the 107th Congress, i.e., from 1789 through 2002, or an average of more than one per Congress. But since the 17th Amendment, the number of cases has declined fairly dramatically, with just 35 cases, or 0.8 per Congress on average. The last such dispute -- not included, it appears, in the Jenkins paper -- was current Senator Mary Landrieu's first election to the Senate in 1996.Will it happen here? Dunno yet. But it's not as rare or arcane a procedure as you might think.
Just a reminder on that MN Senate seat...
Boo fuckin Hoo. Maybe you can move to Iraq. You seem to think it's a paradise.
Evening Gregg! Trolls? There are trolls? I hadn't noticed! I plan on ignoring them.
you KNOW what hurts them more than anything???
To just remind them:
WE WON !!!! WON BIG!!! REPUGS LOST!! LOST BIG!!! :)
ahhhhhhh, the sweet smell of Victory!!!!!
Good Night Good Dems. Gregg, Make that Cookies and Cream Ice Cream for me, please.
Evening all good Dems,
'
Al Qaeda is nothing more than a bogey man, an invented ghost to frighten children and the ignorant. Al Qaeda is the invisible and nonexistent enemy that the US government has manufactured to provide an excuse for its never-ending 'War on Terrorism', which is in reality a war of US aggression for US domination of the world and its resources. The US government commits 'false flag' attacks such as the 9/11 attacks; the Bali, Madrid, and London bombings; and the recent bombings and attacks in India as a way to create a false threat where no real threat exists, providing an excuse for the USA to step in to 'rescue' and 'protect' other nations from 'Terrorist' attacks that were actually perpetrated by the USA itself.
More.................
Gregory F. Fegel
Earlier this year, I remember 'talking' to someone on the blog that needed a job where they could work from home. If who ever that was still comes here, check this out over on cnn.com
http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/worklife/12/01/cb.home.based.workers/index.html
phalin thinks she is going to run for president in 2012.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
jeb bush will probably run for vice president.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Evening all good Dems,
'
Al Qaeda is nothing more than a bogey man, an invented ghost to frighten children and the ignorant. Al Qaeda is the invisible and nonexistent enemy that the US government has manufactured to provide an excuse for its never-ending 'War on Terrorism', which is in reality a war of US aggression for US domination of the world and its resources. The US government commits 'false flag' attacks such as the 9/11 attacks; the Bali, Madrid, and London bombings; and the recent bombings and attacks in India as a way to create a false threat where no real threat exists, providing an excuse for the USA to step in to 'rescue' and 'protect' other nations from 'Terrorist' attacks that were actually perpetrated by the USA itself.
More.................
Gregory F. Fegel
marymac_memphis on December 1, 2008 at 09:10 PM
This is not a blog to post how to make money. DoPeyDoodle is gonna come down hard on you with the foulest of language.
Good evening Johne! I hope that you are doing well and had a happy, safe holiday.
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gregg on December 1, 2008 at 08:57 PM
Here is a story, With Pictures!
Hi Mary. We had a good thanksgiving. It was very quiet and enjoyable. I am curious who President Obama is going to select for the Energy Department.
Here is a history of al qaeda.
"Al Qaeda is nothing more than a bogey man, an invented ghost to frighten children and the ignorant. Al Qaeda is the invisible and nonexistent enemy that the US government has manufactured to provide an excuse for its never-ending 'War on Terrorism', which is in reality a war of US aggression for US domination of the world and its resources. The US government commits 'false flag' attacks such as the 9/11 attacks; the Bali, Madrid, and London bombings; and the recent bombings and attacks in India as a way to create a false threat where no real threat exists, providing an excuse for the USA to step in to 'rescue' and 'protect' other nations from 'Terrorist' attacks that were actually perpetrated by the USA itself."
More.................
Gregory F. Fegel
We need to eliminate the CIA before they get us eliminated.
Johne on December 1, 2008 at 09:21 PM
You are nuttier than a fruitcake.
dpd, this is wonderful stuff. thank you so much. i really like the photo of her with the wires in her mouth.
mary, faux news is just so silly with the bozo dick morris explaining why the polls are all wrong the night before the election and then being completely wrong. strange thing is back in the eighties dickie ran a polling outfit that did a lot of work for clinton when he was governor and it was a real, scientific poll....things went amok for poor dickie when he got caught making nasty in that motel in dc:
"... Star said that for a year Morris met a prostitute each week at the Jefferson Hotel, several blocks from the White House. The article also said Morris had discussed White House business with the woman, Sherry Rowlands, in private moments, and referred to the president and his wife in racy, disparaging terms.
Star also published a photograph of Morris in an embrace with Ms. Rowlands on the balcony of his suite at the hotel..."
so now morris is the prostitute and murdoch is the john....kinda funny....
good evening, everyone. lily decided she didn't want to be induced to arrive, she entered the world natual at 4:12 p.m. today.
and the carpenter got an 11 point.
life is good.
oh yeah, President Elect Obama. life is really, really good.
Job 37:5 God thundereth marvellously with his voice; great things doeth he, which we cannot comprehend.
enjoy the evening, everyone.
now it comes out that we have been in recession for the past year. now it comes out that we are vulnerable to the nuclear proliferation that has taken place in pakistan, india, north korea and iran all on the bush team's watch, now it comes out that bush himself knows he was unprepared for war and yet he pursued one that had no justification what so ever, now we are in a big mess and it will take years to undo the shit that has been done thru neglect, incompetence and greed. and yet still bush's agents of destruction are trying to deregulate as much as they can and ruin as much of the people's agencies and resources as possible as they leave....so while takes his mealy mouthed dog and cat show to the television shows his administration continues a policy of scorched earth....i guess they figure if the country isn't going to be a haven of right wing nuttery it might as well be destroyed.
Get your facts straight greggy. Pakistan, India, North Korea developed their A-bombs during the Clinton administration.
No President is ever prepared for war except maybe Grant and Ike.
this is a repost for the night shift...if there still is a night shift or did the recession force a cut back in the work force??
"in an last chance effort to save this blog from the idiotic endeavor of arguing with the troll about the next election ( which gives the troll four years to jerk our chains ) can i suggest we return to the age old practice ( not practiced with any regularity anymore if ever ) of ignoring the fucking idiot?
free imaginary ice cream will be granted to all those who can resist the temptation to win an argument with the babbling pinhead.
but really folks what possible reason could there be given our good fortune politically to argue about palin, if evolution is a fact, who will win in 2012, whose recession it is and so on..???
please ignore the troll.
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gregg on December 1, 2008 at 07:50 PM"
Don't post your dopey crap twice greggy! Have some concern for the millions of lurkers who, according to DoPeyDoodle, frequent our blog daily making this the third most popular blog on the entire internet.
well as we slip slide further into the bush recession which looks to be a deep and painful one we can at least be glad the asshole is heading down to texas to pick chiggers out of his ass and cut down fake trees with a fake chain saw...good night.
FBI arrests Birmingham, Alabama, Democrat mayor
(CNN) -- The FBI on Monday arrested the Democrat mayor of Birmingham, Alabama, on federal charges including conspiracy, bribery, fraud, money laundering and filing false income tax returns.
Democrat Larry Langford, 62, is named in an indictment that alleges criminal activity while he was a county commissioner, said U.S. Attorney Alice Martin.
As president of the Jefferson County Commission and head of its department of finance and general services from November 2002 until about November 2006, Democrat Langford put his personal affairs ahead of those of the county, Martin said.
"Our investigation has revealed, and the indictment alleges, that Democrat Langford sold his public office to his friends and political supporters," Martin said.
Also named in the 101-count indictment are William Blount, 55, a Montgomery, Alabama, investment banker, and Albert LaPierre, 58, a Birmingham lobbyist, neither of whom returned calls from CNN.
Democrat "Langford steered lucrative business to William Blount and his company and he, in turn, earned in excess of $7.1 million and, with the help of lobbyist Albert LaPierre, they ensured that Democrat Larry Langford's crushing personal debts were paid off through payoffs of loans, store charge accounts, purchases of clothing and jewelry and other items of value that exceeded $230,000 over a period from 2002 to 2006," Martin said.
The allegations go back to a 1996 consent decree entered into by the commission to bring Jefferson County into compliance with the Clean Water Act, which required authorizing billions of dollars in transactions.
After making his first appearance in U.S. District Court on Monday, Democrat Langford appeared outside the courthouse with his lawyer, who said he had told his client not to talk to reporters.
"He's got a city to run and right now, or very shortly, he's headed back to City Hall," the lawyer said.
An indictment on some counts was returned in June to ensure they were not rendered moot by a five-year statute of limitations, Martin said.
The superseding indictment returned last Tuesday by a federal grand jury was unsealed Monday after Democrat Langford's arrest. The other two men named in the indictment agreed to turn themselves in, she said.
Democrat Langford conspired with Blount and LaPierre "to solicit and to accept bribes, to use influence and position to ensure that Blount and his company, Blount Parrish Inc., was involved in Jefferson County's bonds and swap transactions related to multibillion-dollar sewer debt," Martin said.
Though the financing was set up by then-big financial institutions -- including J.P. Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers and Bank of America -- Democrat "Langford used his position to make it a condition that those financial institutions include Blount Parrish in the financing deals and paid Blount Parrish a fee in order to get the county financing business," Martin said.
She cited an October 2003 financial transaction that included Bank of America and Lehman Special Financing Corp. that required Lehman to pay an "arrangement fee" of $35,000 to Blount's company.
In all, she said, Blount and his company received $7.1 million in fees related to Jefferson County's financial transactions.
In turn, Blount paid lobbyist LaPierre approximately $219,000 for "consulting fees," Martin said.
She added, "Through a web of financing agreements, Democrat Langford required many institutions to use Blount as a consultant so Blount would make fees and in turn pay off Democrat Langford. It was a classic pay-to-play scheme."
Martin said Blount and Democrat Langford traveled together to New York, where Blount bought Democrat Langford clothing and jewelry from high-end stores that included Tourneau, Zegna, Ferragamo and Turnbull & Asser.
In addition, Blount bought Rolex watches and other jewelry for Democrat Langford from a Birmingham store, Martin said.
Federal authorities are seeking criminal forfeiture of about $7.6 million from each of the men.
Democrat Langford is named in 60 counts of the superseding indictment; Blount in 43 counts; and LaPierre in 22 counts.
In addition to the fines, each defendant would face a maximum of 10 years for each bribery and money-laundering count, 20 years for each fraud count, five years for the conspiracy count and three years for each tax count.
In a written statement, the mayor's office said city business will continue as usual.
"We are glad the mayor will finally have his day in court," said Democrat Langford's chief of staff, Deborah Vance-Bowie. "As members of his team, we stand behind him and look forward to the day when we can return the focus to the important issues before the city."
A public information officer said the president of the current five-member Jefferson County Commission, Bettye Collins, would have no comment
in addition to not being ready for war ( even though he was the commander and thief ) we have these revelations in today's news about the presidummie:
" AP
updated 5:43 p.m. ET, Mon., Dec. 1, 2008
WASHINGTON - The Bush administration backed off proposed crackdowns on no-money-down, interest-only mortgages years before the economy collapsed, buckling to pressure from some of the same banks that have now failed. It ignored remarkably prescient warnings that foretold the financial meltdown, according to an Associated Press review of regulatory documents.
“Expect fallout, expect foreclosures, expect horror stories,” California mortgage lender Paris Welch wrote to U.S. regulators in January 2006, about one year before the housing implosion cost her a job.
Bowing to aggressive lobbying — along with assurances from banks that the troubled mortgages were OK — regulators delayed action for nearly one year. By the time new rules were released late in 2006, the toughest of the proposed provisions were gone and the meltdown was under way..."
and
"AP
updated 6:46 p.m. ET, Mon., Dec. 1, 2008
SMITH POINT, Texas - A 30-mile scar of debris along the Texas coast stands as a festering testament to what state and local officials say is FEMA's sluggish response to the 2008 hurricane season.
Two and a half months after Hurricane Ike blasted the shoreline, alligators and snakes crawl over vast piles of shattered building materials, lawn furniture, trees, boats, tanks of butane and other hazardous substances, thousands of animal carcasses, perhaps even the corpses of people killed by the storm.
State and local officials complain that the removal of the filth has gone almost nowhere because FEMA red tape has held up both the cleanup work and the release of the millions of dollars that Chambers County says it needs to pay for the project..."
boy this bunch of morons and crooks won't be missed for a nanosecond.
again...good nite...
Hey! Where did all you mofos go?
Coleman picked up another 20 votes or so today and now leads by 315 even with all of Al Fricken Frankens election and recount cheating.
Poor ol' Sally is chomping at the bit waiting to see those used drawers come up on E-Bay.
17BobVADemocratHawk on December 1, 2008 at 06:26 PM
first dude's silkies?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5263919.ece
Mumbai attacks ‘were a ploy to wreck Obama plan to isolate al-Qaeda’
...
One analyst even described the attacks as a “pre-emptive strike” against Barack Obama’s strategy to put Pakistan and Afghanistan at the centre of US foreign policy.
...
Too bad about Al Fricken Franken. He wasn't funny as an alleged comedian. He failed as a talk show host and now he is a Senate loser. I think he should commit suicide.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/30/AR2008113001903.html
Senate Could Give New President Early Legislative Victories
As Senate Democrats prepare for next year's agenda, they are likely to have a working filibuster-proof majority on a variety of legislative issues that could provide early victories for President-elect Barack Obama.
first dude's silkies?
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Esmeralda on December 2, 2008 at 06:23 AM
You have me mixed up with greggy or Burnsey. I don't go for guys cause I am not a fag.
Don't care much for fat gals either.
This site, such as it is, consists of fags, fat gals, lesbos, cranky old farts (Johne and Pammy) and other assorted weirdos. The trools lend some sanity to our blog though.
so, you would rather wear she-beasts unders? you are a cross dresser!
no women want you, fat or otherwise. hahaha
but you can argue that point too. it makes no difference to me.
carpenter is awake. time for some loving and enjoying some companionship.
Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will.
— Romans 12:2
manifest good, everyone.
enjoy the day. I'm off to get ready to go see my Lily. I love her.
so, you would rather wear she-beasts unders? you are a cross dresser!
no women want you, fat or otherwise. hahaha
but you can argue that point too. it makes no difference to me.
carpenter is awake. time for some loving and enjoying some companionship.
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Esmeralda on December 2, 2008 at 06:49 AM
Are you a pervert? I don't care to wear anyones underwear. I think that fat women do want me. I always tell them "Sorry, I don't like fat gals - they give me a limpo"
A lot of guys like fat gals though. I only like gals that look good naked though.
Whoever shall lie with a fat gal shall surely wither and die. Ephesians 12:11
Fat gals always get those giant nipples about the size of pie plates.
I suppose that DopeyDoole is gonna post a link to a site where skinny gals have nipples the size of pie plates.
Poor ol' Sally is chomping at the bit waiting to see those used drawers come up on E-Bay.
first dude's silkies?
114Esmeralda on December 2, 2008 at 06:23 AM
Remember how obsessed and excited he was over those Abu Grahib photos of the prisoners with panties over their heads? He just couldn't shut up about them! Probably what he wants to do with undies he gets from Ebay. Maybe he can trade one of those seed cleaning monstrosities for a couple of pair---one marked HIS and One pair marked HERS
Anyways, Esme, Thank Goodness for a new healthy baby. She is beautiful. You are truly blessed.
This is GREAT justice for all voters......
"Ultimately, the Senate has complete authority to determine who was elected," said Washington University political scientist Steven Smith.
According to Smith the Constitution allows the Senate to be the final arbiter of its membership. Smith said the Senate does so by determining the qualifications of each member. On most occasions, Smith said the Senate simply accepts a state's election certificate, but it has diverted course a few times.
"There is a motion under Senate rules and precedents that allows any Senator to make a motion to refer the credentials to a committee, presumably the Senate Rules and Administration Committee, which has jurisdiction over election matters, in order to delay action on it," explained Smith.
In other words, the Senate could start its own investigation into the election and vote counting. If that action is taken, it's conceivable that Franken's argument regarding rejected absentee ballots could be reconsidered by the Senate
pam, commenting on troll's lingere tastes counts as "failure to ignore the troll" so you'll get your ice cream but only some low butterfat store brand not the cookies and cream you had requested...
interesting nytimes editorial on the nra:
Editorial
The Gun Lobby’s Loss
Published: December 1, 2008
The gun lobby has long intimidated politicians with its war chest and its trumpeted ability to deliver single-issue voters, especially in tight races. After this year’s election, those politicians should be far less afraid and far more willing to vote for sensible gun-control laws.
The National Rifle Association directed much money and bile against Barack Obama. In false, misleading and, fortunately, ineffective ads, fliers, mailers and Web postings, the group said that Mr. Obama posed a “clear and present danger” to Second Amendment rights and that his election would mean a gun ban.
Despite that harsh barrage, Mr. Obama won states with heavy gun ownership, including Virginia, Ohio and Pennsylvania. That success should send a signal to other politicians: consistency matters.
In fact, Mr. Obama has long been a supporter of the argument, disputed by this page, that the Second Amendment bestows an individual right to bear arms unrelated to raising a militia. But Mr. Obama did not abandon his support for reasonable gun-control laws. “Don’t tell me we can’t uphold the Second Amendment while keeping AK-47s out of the hands of criminals,” he declared at the Democratic convention.
In Congressional races, the N.R.A. endorsed candidates in 20 of the 25 races where Democrats picked up seats from Republicans. We will not miss Florida’s Tom Feeney and Ric Keller, Idaho’s Bill Sali, Michigan’s Joe Knollenberg, Ohio’s Steve Chabot, Colorado’s Marilyn Musgrave and Pennsylvania’s Phil English — willing champions of an extreme agenda.
On the Senate side, the N.R.A. spent considerable sums to help Senator Elizabeth Dole of North Carolina and Bob Schaffer, the Republican Senate candidate in Colorado. Both were defeated.
And the N.R.A.’s poor showing was not just a single isolated event. A useful election analysis prepared by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence shows that its 2006 campaign effort also was a big flop.
We hope the trend continues. To fight crime and keep Americans safe, this country needs sound gun-control laws. To pass those laws as president, Mr. Obama will need strong Congressional support.
Gregg, But...But..... That was commenting on Esmeralda's comment, not on the troll's comment. I HATE that low fat store brand ice cream. If I can't have the cookies & Cream , then skip it, darn it!
It is obvious that Harry Reid needs a dual frontal lobotomy after his stupid arrogant comment today at the dedication of the new Capitol Visitor Center.
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=232443
Either he believes he is truly royalty or he is an absolute fool that has damaged the Democratic Party.
You as an elected official do not ever tell the public (who is his boss) who pays his wages, his generous pension, and his gold plated health benefits that this new visitor center will keep the elite Congress people from smelling your body odor.
Oh crap! I was hoping for a filibuster proof Senate. Now the stupid GOP is going to try and block everything. Not a good day at all. I'm sure we'll get some things passed though - we have a mandate from the American ppl!
You guys ever hear of the "Red Tusk"? Isn't it some site a group of Repub millioniares put together to smear Obama...but there's more to it I believe. Anyone know about it?
Gregory - thanks for the piece on terrorism. This reminds me of the saying "In order to have a huge military industrial complex, you have to have an enemy. If you don't have one, you create one." Terrorism was akin to Bush's born again experience with the left behind shallow end of theology. He leaves office with no remorse about the shape this nation is in, because he was never grounded in a concern for humanity and creation. Now - Obama is someone whose read the works of Rhinehold Neighbur (see link: http://www.philosophyprofessor.com/philosophers/reinhold-niebuhr.php
Terrorism is the bi-polar configuration with all that GW is. I hope we can break out of the current cycles of violence. Our co-dependency on oil needs to go. The car manufacturers now have the Unions making more concessions. We can go to the moon, but can't design beyond the internal combustion engine. Crazy. We need to get out of the Middle East dependency - and be a nation that cares about humanity and the planet - over oil profits. It is a tough battle - but the real battle.
Hello everyone. Just wanted to share my latest effort - a site that compiles all the high quality Obama wallpapers in one place. I'll be adding new wallpapers each day (6 were added today).
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