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CHICAGO (MSNBC)- The Illinois Supreme Court said Friday that Secretary of State Jesse White's signature isn't required to validate Roland Burris' appointment to the U.S. Senate, lobbing the question of seating him back to Democratic leaders in Washington."No further action is required by the Secretary of State or any other official to make the Governor's appointment of Roland Burris to the United States Senate valid under Illinois law," Justice Lloyd A. Karmeier wrote for the court in its unanimous decision.
Burris was turned away from the Senate this week in part because his appointment by Gov. Rod Blagojevich lacks White's signature...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28581098/
Then that's it. Senator-designate Burris should be seated ASAP. We are still a nation of law, not men. And while this will be a tainted appointment and Senator Burris will probably get his butt kicked in 2010, the law is still the law. Senator Roland Burris the junior senator from IL; get used to it.
Good afternoon, all.
Can't believe I was doing yard work all afternoon...in the middle of January.
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Oh my goodness, what a novel approach, actually polling the public to see what the majority wants and the most effective means in communicating policy to the sheeple. "We the people" may actually hold some real meaning in the Obama Adminstration.
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BobVADemocratHawk on January 9, 2009 at 05:25 PM
Hi, Bob.
I question giving those who overwhelmingly voted for Bush twice a voice in shaping any legislation. How about just sticking with the agenda that won Obama the presidency? Those who are being swayed by fears and worries are often not thinking straight.
I see the value of seeing where public opinion is trending at any given time, but we both know it often changes faster than it can often be polled. Outside input is important in making policy, but it should come from various sources not just polls.
imho, keeping goals and objectives clear yields real results in the long run...that is if you have the right ones to begin with.
SandyH on January 9, 2009 at 06:32 PM
That is a very valid point, Sandy. None the less, I think you'd agree with me that the Bush policy of "shoot first ask questions later" has been a complete disaster whether it was applied to foreign or domestic policy. Input from all sectors is defintely warranted. But take solace in this. It's our guy in the Oval Office this time, not the "short bus" crowd.
Have a good weekend my fellow Democrats. Keep the Faith and keep the faith. Yes we can, yes we will, and yes we did!
Also, she (Noonan) seems to have her shrieking points mixed up. The Peacock Throne is in Iran, so the Czars wouldn't ever have been sitting on it anyway.
Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on January 9, 2009 at 04:28 PM
DPD,
Conservatives are always "casually" re-fashioning reality to fit their arguments (ie., George Will and Brit Hume saying that FDR caused the Great Depression). What do they have against historic facts and scientific measurements? They can't deal with the truth or are they intellectually dishonest with even themselves?
Or are they are just dishonest, corrupt opportunists?
I question giving those who overwhelmingly voted for Bush twice a voice in shaping any legislation. How about just sticking with the agenda that won Obama the presidency? Those who are being swayed by fears and worries are often not thinking straight.
SandyH
So what you're saying here Sandy is that when an election is won by one political party then, according to your logic, members of the opposing political party should have no say in their government during the term of the winning parties presidency.
My, what a novel idea! Of course you would only feel this s a great idea if a democrat is in office as you would howl like a scalded cat if the inverse was the case and the democrats had lost the election and thereby all rights to have any say in their government.
Following your brilliant logic then would you also then back a plan to not tax any members or supporters of the Republican party since taxation without representation was one of the basic reasons we fought the Revolutionary War against the British and you sure wouldn't want to deviate away from one of the basic tenants of our US Constitution.
Of course, once you absolve the Republicans of their tax burden you might have a bit of a mess on your hands since almost all taxes in this country are paid by "wealthy" white Republicans; so The One's treasury will have a rather hollow, echoing sound to it when they drop the meager tax contributions of YOUR side into the vault.
Of course you thought all that through and still believe that the crap that leaks out of your foolish brain and out of your mouth makes good sense. Why yes, it does because most of the asshats on here think like you do...
... with their asses.
Have a good weekend, Bob.
marymac_memphis on January 9, 2009 at 05:03 PM
Hi, marymac.
So they are saying that Bush "saved our lives" so he could spy on us, imprison us without any recourse, ship our jobs overseas and force us into underemployment, destroy our savings, dismantle all our social safety nets like Social Security and Unemployment Insurance, and torture anybody he feels might threaten "them"?
The Others sure were/are altruistic.
Have a good weekend, Bob.
marymac_memphis on January 9, 2009 at 05:03 PM
Hi, marymac.
So they are saying that Bush "saved our lives" so he could spy on us, imprison us without any recourse, ship our jobs overseas and force us into underemployment, destroy our savings, dismantle all our social safety nets like Social Security and Unemployment Insurance, and torture anybody he feels might threaten "them"?
The Others sure were/are altruistic.
Burp. Sorry, I can't seem to get the swing of it with this new improved blog for 2009.
... so he could spy on us, imprison us without any recourse, ship our jobs overseas and force us into underemployment, destroy our savings, dismantle all our social safety nets like Social Security and Unemployment Insurance, and torture anybody he feels might threaten "them"?
SandyH
Wow, Sandy, you must really have an "effed" up life. I can't recall ever being spied on by, imprisoned by, losing my job because of, being tortured by and anything else you listed being done by my government.
If this has happened to you or any member of you family then I feel sorry for you for how you live you life and you have you family reunions in the party room of your state prison.
Bake lots of cakes... with files in them. Oh yes, give condoms as presents. I understand that in prison it's the gift that just keeps giving.
So what you're saying here Sandy is that when an election is won by one political party then, according to your logic, members of the opposing political party should have no say in their government during the term of the winning parties presidency....
Nope. What I'm saying is...can anybody trust the judgment of someone who voted for Bush twice?
These individuals have a right to their opinion, but on must look closely at the source to determine if their opinions are rational enough to take into consideration. Considering where this nation is today after eight years of blunders, scandals and deficits, I'd say they were all on drugs or were possessed by the devil.
If you don't want to pay taxes, then you can live on the Lost island with Benjamin Linus and the rest of The Others. In civilized societies in where inhabitants live closely together, people must share their resources for the Common Good. If you want to live like a heathen, get Lost.
TheGreatGazoo on January 9, 2009 at 07:10 PM
I'm a survivor in more ways than one. Please don't feel you must be protective of my tender sensibilities. Go ahead and call me a criminal or terris. What's slander when you are an accessory to a torturer and mass murderer?
You, however, are stuck with your failed conservative ideology and twits like McConnell and Palin to lead you through this Great Depression. How's your portfolio doing these days?
Business picking up?
It must be pleasant contemplating how to decorate the new "Ranch" down in Paraguay. I hear Laura has picked out a new china pattern?
I've finally figured out why trying to debunk steps to stop Global Warming is your only passion in life.
You are a fossil fuel fool...or a coal ash sludge detox worker.
If you don't want to pay taxes, then you can live on the Lost island ...
SandyH
I didn't say that I didn't want to pay taxes. I just pointed out the fallacy of your foolish comment "I question giving those who overwhelmingly voted for Bush twice a voice in shaping any legislation." What you just said is you wish to deny anyone who voted for President George W. Bush the right to vote (that's how American citizens have a hand in shaping legislation).
Therefore, if you desire to disenfranchise half of all American voters, and it was half in 2000 and 2004, then you certainly don't expect us to pay taxes without representation.
You see Sandy, you are a fool and when you speak foolishness is what you say.
Care to retract your foolish comment?
is thier any democrats here
dusty2006
No duhsty, mostly just socialists, communists and asshats.
the great gazoo the republican disenfranchise black the poor every election
no what see here is facist and dumb trolls who spread republican dietribe but now real information
helping the poor is good thing helping the rich is bad thing
If you are still here or when you come back in:
Hi Sandy. Happy New Year.
I think we know who the fool is! Why are you blowing the greatgazoo here.Go play in the traffic.
BobVADemocratHawk on January 9, 2009 at 05:37 PM
a super volcano near Mammoth in south eastern California blew at some time in the past and they found pieces of it 1200 miles away in Colorado. Mammoth was acting up in the 1980's and scared the crap out of everyone in Mammoth. They had only one way out and the U.S. Forest Service built another exit road just in case they had to evacuate. Mammoth was swelling just like Yellowstone.
TheGreatGazoo on January 9, 2009 at 07:50 PM
I have to admire your moxie. Your dumbed-down reasoning defies even that of Bush or Palin.
We all know you're a lot smarter than that, so I'll just assume you are being obtuse on purpose...as usual. It just makes you look even more silly to those that lurk.
Your opinion as opposed to those who are actually serious about issues isn't worth the time of day. Another reason why polls are not reliable. There are too many people playing games with them.
I'll respect your side when you respect mine. And we all know that will never happen. So you come here and taunt people...and you aren't very good at even that.
the only fool in here is the great gazoo and virgo why don't you play in traffic im busy watching tv
evening Fine Dems......
Just loggin out, and wanted to post a Happy New Year message to anyone I missed before:
Happy New Year greetings ...
As I reflect on 2008, I can say we had a great year:
Blacks are happy; Obama was elected.
Whites are happy, OJ is in jail.
Democrats are happy; George Bush is leaving office.
Republicans are happy: Democrats will finally quit saying George Bush stole the 2000 election.
And all of us are happy; The election is finally over!
2009 should be even better: Immediately after his inauguration, Obama will balance the budget, revive the economy, solve the real estate problem, solve the auto industry problem, solve our gas/alternative energy problem, stop the fires and mudslides in California, ban hurricanes and tornadoes, stop identity theft, reverse global warming, solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, get rid of corruption in government and achieve world peace. Then on the 7th day, He will rest.
Best Wishes for 2009 to you and yours.
He truly is The One! :)
Love the man!
Night Dems. Blog ya tomorrow..........
How to Restore America's Position as a Leader on Reproductive Rights
Thursday 08 January 2009
by: Nancy Northup, RH Reality Check
With the election of Barack Obama, women around the world can heave a collective sigh of relief and look forward to an end to the Bush administration's relentless assault on women's reproductive health and rights. It's been a very long and destructive eight years. While the rest of the world has been moving forward in a growing recognition of reproductive rights as human rights, the United States has moved backwards.
In the past two years, the United States Supreme Court - with two new Bush justices - issued Gonzales v. Carhart , a decision that Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg called "alarming," which she said represented antiquated and rejected notions of a woman's place in the family. At the same time, the Constitutional Court in Colombia said that protecting reproductive rights is a direct path to promoting the dignity of all human beings.
We need to get back on that direct path. Under the leadership of President-elect Obama, the United States has the opportunity to again take the world stage as a leader in promoting women's reproductive health, equality and human rights.
Make no mistake, our country's new vision for reproductive rights and health needs to go further than simply undoing the policies of the previous administration. The Obama administration must work toward a nation and world in which all women are free to decide whether and when to have children, where all women have access to quality reproductive health care, where all women can exercise their choices without coercion or discrimination, and where all women can participate with full dignity as equal members of society.
President-elect Obama is a strong supporter of reproductive rights and understands the values that underscore them - human dignity, self-determination, equality and non-discrimination. These principles are embodied in the United States Constitution, one of the world's earliest human rights documents, as well as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. He also understands, however, that the mere recognition of rights is not enough: they must improve the lives and health of women.
Read Whole: http://www.truthout.org/010909WA
It must be pleasant contemplating how to decorate the new "Ranch" down in Paraguay. I hear Laura has picked out a new china pattern?
SandyH
Why would I do that? I don't know President George W. Bush or his lovely wife Laura personally and I can't imagine they would consult with me for my decorating tastes. Besides, it's Texas they are moving to, not Paraguay or any other South American country. That's just kooky talk. Johne, gregg, DoPeyD and of course Pammy all share this eccentric kooky talk manner of thought. It's that "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder" syndrome that Michael Savage is always discussing on his highly rated conservative radio talk show.
Do you ever listen to his program? You really should as it might give you some insight into these strange thoughts you are having.
nope dumb one im watching Stargate Atlantis then sanctuary sci fi channel
marymac_memphis on January 9, 2009 at 08:19 PM
mary,
The Pope's latest edict says that women are destroying the environment using birth control pills. The conservative, authoritarian sexist reasoning blames women for the rise of male autism and the lowering of male self-esteem that leads to the necessity for Viagra (to only procreate, of course).
If these sexist jerks would respect women (or even each other), they'd understand the importance of not overpopulating an already fragile planet and start using birth control themselves.
But that would be giving up control over those Eve-inspired Jezebels who cannot be trusted to make decisions for themselves....as if men have done such a great job running the world since leaving Eden?
Sensible public health policy depends on separating religious intolerance from individual medical decisions. We must address AIDS as an illness not as a sin.
why did you daughter watch Sesame Street again? the dumb gazzo
Savage is a psychologist? That's why you feel the need to listen to his show? It doesn't seem to have helped you much.
sandy aids is choice people can decide not have sex and not get
and were not overpopulating the planet that lie in europe there not having enough kids to replace the people who die
- Blacks are happy; Obama was elected
- Whites are happy, OJ is in jail
- Democrats are happy; George Bush is leaving office
- Republicans are happy: Democrats will finally quit saying George Bush stole the 2000 election
PamB
Pammy, your statement reveals your inner racism. You think all it takes for Blacks to be happy is having a 50/50 president? He is 50/50 you know, 1/2 Black = 1/2 White but of course everyone seems not to want to recognize that as FACT! And if they are so happy Pammy, why hasn't the Black on Black crime rated dropped off dramatically after November 4th? Hmmm? And all the other "bad habits" they seem to have adopted as their own?
democrats may be happy now but soon they will realize that all those promises The One made are empty and impossible for him to fulfill?
Whites could really give a crap about OJ. He's an idiot criminal, his own worse enemy and is now gone forever except for an occasional news item about his last birthday and the news on his dying behind bars. But he did like White women and was kind of rough on them so maybe you should say White women are happy OJ is in jail. Or at least their fathers are.
And yes Pammy, Republicans are happy because from now on YOU asshats own The One and all that will come to him and from him.
Oh BTW, I caught that statement of yours wanting to slap President George W. Bush. Now aren't you just the classy old broad? I wonder something... do you think that perhaps Matt might want to pull that off this site? Might be advisable considering threatening the President of the United States is a crime.
Hmmmm?
Savage is a psychologist?
SandyH
Did I say that? I don't believe so Sandy. Do you often see and read imaginary things?
aboma promise to raise taxes on the riches that one heel keep
SandyH on January 9, 2009 at 08:42 PM
That is so true! Aids is not the 'death sentence' it once was but it must be treated. I read somewhere that 1 in every 3 women (the ones that are still alive) are infected with HIV or have full-blown aids. Most of whom are victims of rape.
Sorry - 1 out of every 3 women in SUDAN! Sorry about that!
who are you talking about sandy no watching real tv not femist tv
by going to work on puzzle
see you fine democrats latter
It's that "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder" syndrome that Michael Savage is always discussing on his highly rated conservative radio talk show...
Sounds to me like you were touting his expertise in mental disorders.
Voter Suppression is a Republican disorder?
U.S. seeks ship to move arms to Israel
09 Jan 2009
Source: Reuters
By Stefano Ambrogi
LONDON, Jan 9 (Reuters) - The U.S. is seeking to hire a merchant ship to deliver hundreds of tonnes of arms to Israel from Greece later this month, tender documents seen by Reuters show.
The U.S. Navy's Military Sealift Command (MSC) said the ship was to carry 325 standard 20-foot containers of what is listed as "ammunition" on two separate journeys from the Greek port of Astakos to the Israeli port of Ashdod in mid-to-late January.
A "hazardous material" designation on the manifest mentions explosive substances and detonators, but no other details were given.
"Shipping 3,000-odd tonnes of ammunition in one go is a lot," one broker said, on condition of anonymity.
"This (kind of request) is pretty rare and we haven't seen much of it quoted in the market over the years," he added.
The U.S. Defense Department, contacted by Reuters on Friday in Washington, had no immediate comment.
The MSC transports armour and military supplies for the U.S. armed forces aboard its own fleet, but regularly hires merchant ships if logistics so require...
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L9736369.htm
Why doesn't the White House just send a personal press release to the Somalia pirates informing them what and where to look for their next ransom target? Who are the military geniuses who thought up privatization of arms shipments?
Who are the idiots who thought up governmental privatization of anything?
I am not real happy with some Senate Democrats right now. What a bunch of idiots. And it saddens me to say, that includes you, Senator Durbin. What most Americans want is for Obama's agenda to move forward. That means the Democrats will need every seat/vote they can get in the Senate. Seat Burris and Frankin. Push it. You have the majority, start acting like it.
I can come up with NO valid reason NOT to seat Burris save one: the fear that seating him will make other Democrats look bad and they might not get re-elected. Any Senator who is making decisions based on a fear of not being re-elected should probably not be re-elected. Grow a pair you wimps. You're in the majority now. Start acting like it. We put you there to do a job. You better start doing it or we'll find someone who will.
Hi, Chicago.
Having another snow storm? I'm not sure what would have happened if the Bears had made the playoffs.
SandyH on January 9, 2009 at 10:19 PM
raygun is the twit who pushed privatization in the federal government and we have been paying for it ever since.
Who are the idiots who thought up governmental privatization of anything?
53SandyH on January 9, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Sandy,
I think they are the idiot half-brothers of the Reagan-istas who invented the "laffer curve".
More proof from the republicans that "stupid is as stupid does".
You have the majority, start acting like it.
Chicago on January 9, 2009 at 10:26 PM
My sentiments entirely. Our Dems need to quit acting like Perry Mason and just seat Burris. Frankin was designated the winner by the state after the most open recount in history. Let Coleman go through the motions and demonstrate why we need tort reform.
Having another snow storm? I'm not sure what would have happened if the Bears had made the playoffs.
56SandyH on January 9, 2009 at 10:34 PM
It was painful watching the Bears this year. But they did have some flashes.
I think we will only get a "dusting" tonight (3 or 4 inches). More North in WI. That's good for the cheese-heads.
59SandyH on January 9, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Sandy,
One of the things that worries me is the precedent being set for Senate appointments. Jesse White (IL Secretary of State) refuses to sign Blago's appointment. So now, the Gov. no longer has the authority to appoint Senators. If there is a republican Secretary of State, they can simply refuse to sign the appointment or at least hold it up for a long time. Suddenly, Senate appiointments only work if both the Gov. and Sec. of State are of the same party.
That's folly. SEAT THE MAN! Come on Durbin and Reid, let's get the agenda ready to move.
Chicago on January 9, 2009 at 10:33 PM
I'm not sure how anybody could look worse than the Republican Party right now. Bin Lauden has probably got them beat out in the polls.
It's time to MoveOn in more ways than one?
Johne,
I'm not sure if it was Raygun or those members of the Bush Crime Family who were moving his mouth and pulling the strings behind the scenes.
I'm pretty sure Poppy was the real mastermind...he wasn't head of the CIA for nothing (the similarities with Putin are just chilling, aren't they?) He's gotten away with a lot more than Cheney in many respects. And I haven't heard one historian speculate about it in public. Why is that I wonder?
I can't believe Nancy allowed them to manipulate a sick man that way. What some women won't do to hold onto their social status and power.
Look at Laura Bush. Now there's is a real desperate woman. She stuck with that idiot all these years when he was a skunk from the start of their marriage and then turned into what he is today...a complete failure of a joke.
You forget what it was like before the feminist movement. Some women of that age still aren't confident enough of their own abilities to have any self-esteem. Well, she married him and went along with the mass murder and torture. It's her shame, too, imho.
I see Gazoo and Sally were on earlier. The dufus two-fus making everyone proud NOT to be a republican.
62SandyH on January 9, 2009 at 10:58 PM
I wonder what George and Laura will do? Write children's books? No, I think George will go to work for Cheney at Haliburton... stacking BB's or some other important task.
Chicago on January 9, 2009 at 10:52 PM
Everything is screwed up in the government these days. Why is the legislature acting like the FBI and courts?
I guess it's all about PR. They are afraid of having the taint of any corruption on them like you said...for re-election. Hey, nobody expects them to be angels when there isn't any strong campaign finance laws in place. Maybe that should be the next step?
All states have problems. I'm sick of this boiling over into Washington where we face some big problems. Burris will only be there two years and he's a Democrat and will vote that way. What's the big deal.
I'm turning in for the night. Want to read.
Good night, all.
Hello Johne,
Yes, it was Reagan and his group of idiots that invented "privitization" and "trickle-down economics". Both complete failures. Both simply methods developed by republicans to funnel government money into the hands of their friends. Greed is STILL the root of all evil.
Chicago on January 9, 2009 at 11:05 PM
Watch all those rich Republican MLB owners slobber all over themselves begging Spunky to be Commissioner. We thought baseball was in sad shape already. Imagine Spunky on steriods...or maybe that's been the problem all along? Cheney has been spiking his beer?
Good night, all.
Good night Sandy.
It is always a pleasure to read your insightful posts.
sally the people in minnesota don't cheat it was fair recount your the loser
Frankin has not been designated the winner by the state
Sally-* on January 9, 2009 at 11:48 PM
The Minnesota State Canvassing Board on Monday certified the results of the recount of Republican Sen. Norm Coleman's fight to retain his seat against Franken. The results showed Franken with a 225-vote lead.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/05/minnesota.recount/index.html?iref=newssearch
Just smile and wave boys, just smile and wave.
Republicans are sore losers. They can never accept defeat. They always want to take it to the courts. Small wonder they also want to stack the courts with right-wing hacks.
Loving Harry Reid's quote regarding the passage of that resolution in support of Israel.
"Our resolution reflects the will of the state of Israel and the will of the American people."
Last time I was this disgusted was when the stories of the current administration's dirty secrets started slipping out. As soon as I can get the forms, I think I'm removing myself from being affiliated with the DNC. Who knows, maybe in the next election cycle we can have some humanity move into the Congress.
The State Canvassing Board consisted of republican thieves and cheaters.
minnesota voting is fair and recount are done by people who are trustworthy not but republican who love to cheat and steal election
and when thye cant win fairly thye run to the courts to cry unfair that some democrats beat he fair and square
so colmen has ask the court to over turn fair election and tell the people who to vote for
so if people from minnesota done vote for republican then were as stupid as sally in his own mind or what left of it he where clown shoes and where helmet on his head not damage his small brain and has lunch box with as image of ann coultor on for him to M Masterbats to when he alone before and after special ed class
the supreme court are full republican thieves and cheaters.
for giving bush the president in 2001 and for making life hard for working class people up till now maby with obama he put in some judges that are progressive not regressive like what in thier now
im not robert you fool i allways been dusty you been drinking to much moon shine your dumb you have no inteligents to speak off sally but me im very smart person who like to read books watch movies and talk to people
good morning pilgrims. there is some small comfort knowing that bush is going out at the time in his presidency when he is most ridiculed, debased and generally loathed. it is almost impossible to find any clown who can still claim he has been even a mediocre leader of our nation. now we face the extremely difficult task of identifying the damages, reversing their causes and huddling together while things heal.
what a sack of shit.
chuckle.........
we should listen to Michael Savage now, according to MN Thomass ! Yeah, and I am getting stronger AM reception, so I can bring in Limbaugh clearer too. Their ignorance should be heard loud and clear.
David Gilson wrote in a Salon article published March 3, 2003,[3] that using his talk-show as a vehicle, Savage had
launched a one-man mission to save America from its enemies at home and abroad, which on any given day includes liberals, gays, academics, the homeless, the Clintons, immigrants, feminists, CNN, the American Civil Liberties Union, Muslims and other minorities. Broadcasting three hours a day, five afternoons a week, from a studio inside his home in the affluent San Francisco suburb of Larkspur, he gives voice to the right wing's darkest fantasies.
On May 18, 2004 a website that Savage had sued and lost, michaelsavagesucks.com, wrote an open letter to Savage, challenging his claims of radio popularity: "Michael, let us verify your 350 stations and Arbitron data proving you have 10.5 million listeners, and we will shut down this website." They never received a reply.
Despite poor ratings, MSNBC kept the Savage Nation on until Saturday, July 5, 2003, when MSNBC broadcast its last Savage Nation show. On it Savage took a call from a prankster who claimed he was gay, to which Savage responded in part:
"Oh, you're one of the sodomites. You should only get AIDS and die, you pig. How's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig. You got nothing better than to put me down, you piece of garbage? You have got nothing to do today, go eat a sausage and choke on it. Get trichinosis. Okay, do we have another nice caller here who's busy because he didn't have a nice night in the bathhouse, who's angry at me today? Get another one. Put another sodomite on."
Yeah, we should ALL listen to Michael Savage---and then go in and puke our guts out from his filth! Appears he has 1 listener, anyways! and he is from St. Paul, MN ! No wonder he is so screwed up !
Gregg, what is funny is, that Bush and other Repugs think Americans are going to forget what a POS this guy was, and down the road proclaim him to be a good President! That cracks me up, because people are no longer as stupid as they were when Bush first took office!
How to Restore America's Position as a Leader on Reproductive Rights
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by: Nancy Northup, RH Reality Check
With the election of Barack Obama, women around the world can heave a collective sigh of relief and look forward to an end to the Bush administration's relentless assault on women's reproductive health and rights. It's been a very long and destructive eight years. While the rest of the world has been moving forward in a growing recognition of reproductive rights as human rights, the United States has moved backwards.
http://www.truthout.org/010909WA
finally, women will be treated as first class citizens with rights again!
Conservative Bloggers Up In Arms Over GOP Cooperation With Obama
Congressional Republicans may have forged a fragile peace with President-elect Obama as he pushes his stimulus plan. But they face an insurgency on their right flank.
"You can sense a lot of frustration -- from listening to Rush Limbaugh to reading at RedState -- with Republican members of Congress being ready to fall all over themselves to help him," says Erick Erickson, editor of the conservative blog RedState.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/09/conservative-bloggers-up_n_156699.html
The right wing nuts really need to get over it.
good morning pam. these days i have been enjoying rush's radio show. he is really funny. ranting and raving and explaining to his listeners how much he is doing to save the nation. he is railing against the republicans who he sees as rolling over to obama's agenda ( what other choice do they have? hahahaha), he is railing against big government which is going to ruin the great economy we have... well fat head does have a great personal economy but many of his listeners are worry about losing their jobs at the same time they cheer him on...but curiously pam he never ever hints that he may have played any role in the collapse of right wing nutterie in this country. nope, all his attempts to game the democratic primaries and all his racist and sexist blather and all his anti-latino crap....all of i guess had no impact on the voters...hahahahaha
and now we have that asshole coulter coming out with a new book and back on the bozo circuit her broken jaw ( so there really is a wrathful god after all i guess ) healed and her lizard tongue picking nits off the heads of interviewers right in the middle of a question...god this is gonna be some fun!
Palin: Katie Couric, Tina Fey Have Been "Exploiting" Me
ALBANY, N.Y. — She messed up her first interviews, didn't show much of a grasp of the issues and, dontcha know, had a speech pattern that was widely mimicked. Sarah Palin? You betcha. But Caroline Kennedy also fits the bill. The difference is that while the conservative Republican Palin was ridiculed in the press and on "Saturday Night Live" in her quest to be vice president, the liberal Democratic Kennedy, after early criticism in the media, remains the perceived favorite in her bid for a Senate seat from New York.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/09/palin-katie-couric-tina-f_n_156506.html
Ohhh more Moose Burgers. Come on Guv, admit that you made a fool out of yourself because you are a crazed right wing nut.
Global warming could overheat crops
SEATTLE, Jan. 9 (UPI) -- U.S. researchers say global warming is likely to result in lower crop yields in the tropics and subtropics. leading to serious food shortages.
The food shortages could hurt half of the world's population, said David Battisti, a University of Washington atmospheric sciences professor.
http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2009/01/09/Global_warming_could_overheat_crops/UPI-29671231537871/
Global warming is a real problem that right wing nuts just can't talk away.
good morning rjsnj, looks like you folks down there in the swamps of joisey are gonna have a cold snowy game tomorrow at the meadowlands while those of us up here in the balmy hudson valley will be working on our tans...
funny how much squealing and crying the right wing nuttery is doing already and obama hasn't even taken office...wait till stuff like this starts dropping all over the place like ripe apples in fall...our day has come and we are gonna reap the bounty....yahooo
NYTimes:
"House Passes 2 Measures on Job Bias
By ROBERT PEAR
Published: January 9, 2009
WASHINGTON — The House voted on Friday to give women powerful new tools to challenge sex discrimination by employers who pay women less than men for the same or substantially similar work.
The action shows how Congress, working with President-elect Barack Obama, intends to make a swift, sharp break with civil rights policies of the Bush administration.
“In the first week of the new Congress, this is the legislation we are putting forward: pay equity, fairness to women in the workplace,” said Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Democrat of California. “These are our priorities. This Congress has heard the message of change in the election.”
The House passed two related bills on Friday. One, approved 247 to 171, would give workers more time to file lawsuits claiming job discrimination.
The bill would overturn a 2007 decision by the Supreme Court that enforced a strict 180-day deadline, thwarting a lawsuit by Lilly M. Ledbetter, a longtime supervisor at the Goodyear tire plant in Gadsden, Ala. Three Republicans voted for the bill.
The other bill — passed 256 to 163, with support from 10 Republicans — would make it easier for women to prove violations of the Equal Pay Act of 1963, which generally requires equal pay for equal work.
President Bush threatened to veto both bills, saying they would “invite a surge of litigation” and “impose a tremendous burden on employers.” Congress will not give him the opportunity.
Mr. Obama is eager to sign the bills, and it appears he will be able to do so. Supporters of the legislation said they believed they could come up with the 60 votes needed to ensure passage in the Senate, after two vacant seats are filled..."
Franken emerges as GOP Public Enemy No. 1
With only a longshot court appeal standing in the way of Democrat Al Franken’s election to the Senate, Republicans are gritting their teeth and bracing for the arrival of a new senator whose every utterance will sound like nails on a chalkboard to them.
While Sen. Norm Coleman (R-Minn.) has filed suit to contest the results of a disputed recount process that turned his narrow lead into a 225-vote deficit, his likely defeat stands to turn Franken, the polarizing former “Saturday Night Live” writer, into the senator who launched a thousand direct mail fundraising appeals.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090110/pl_politico/17233_1
The GOP-PERS need to get over it. Big Al will be seated. We would not want to deprive Minnesota of two Democratic Senators.
good morning, everyone.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2009/01/10/MNU2156LPU.DTL
Obama officially names intelligence team
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Esmeralda on January 10, 2009 at 08:45 AM
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Good morning,
Panetta is a real good pick. I can't say much about Blair.
Report on COBRA confirms what we already knew
Chris in Paris · 1/10/2009 05:25:00 AM ET · Link
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It's too expensive. COBRA has never made much sense to me because if you have just lost your job, how are you going to find enough money for insurance? Where do you find a spare $1000+ per month to insure a family when you don't have a job? Sure, having easy access to health insurance is great but the costs - especially today - are well out of reach.
The cost of buying health insurance for unemployed Americans who try to purchase coverage through a former employer consumes 30 percent to 84 percent of standard unemployment benefits, according to a report released yesterday.
Because few people can afford that, the authors say, the result is a growing number of people being hit with the double whammy of no job and no health coverage.
In 1985, Congress passed legislation enabling newly unemployed Americans to extend their employer-based health insurance for up to 18 months. But under the program, known as COBRA, the individual must pay 102 percent of the policy's full cost.
Instead of cash handouts and yet another round of business tax deductions, solving problems like this ought to be considered first. It would be nice to think that our next President who ran on a campaign of change would actually target change instead of the same old, same old. Is that really asking for too much?
http://www.americablog.com/2009/01/report-on-cobra-confirms-what-we.html
Cobra is better than nothing but just isn't a good system. We need a real national health care system.
good morning esmeralda.
one final rant and then i need to prepare the old ponderosa for the next storm...it is quite silly, absurd and helpful that sister sarah is keeping her face on the tube whining about her unfair treatment in the press. this gambit of complaining about the couric interview and tina fey's evisceration of her is pathetic but also helpful. the more the repelicans are associated with sarah and the more we are all reminded of how stupid and nasty her performance was ( "hanging out with terrorists", "small town is where the real americans are", etc. etc. ) the more likely it is the party will remain in the clutches of a minority of the voters and never get a voting majority. if we can get enough years with these clowns in the wilderness we will be able to make such fundemental changes to how this country operates towards its citizens and towards the world that fifty or sixty years will not be enough time to reverse them. think of the fact that fdr got social security passed about seventy years ago and despite the venom the right directed at it all those years it is still alive and well and cherished by the people...bbl.
http://mobile.politico.com/story.cfm?id=17298&cat=politics
4 million jobs - Obama ups the ante
big snow storm heading this way. gotta get groceries, and it's sisaroos first all afternoon visit. miles to go before I sleep.
In his heart a man plans his course, but the LORD determines his steps.
— Proverbs 16:9
must be hard being a right winger these days....hahahahahaha
must be hard being a right winger these days....hahahahahaha
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gregg on January 10, 2009 at 09:29 AM
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gregg, they have become absolutely incoherent. The right wing nuts need to get over losing the election. Hey right wing nuts:
YOU LOST THE ELECTION
YOU LOST IT BAD
GET OVER IT
Minn. voters growing tired of Norm Coleman Hotlist
by Jed L
Fri Jan 09, 2009 at 02:15:03 PM PST
Time for Norm to quit:
POLL: Coleman should concede
An exclusive Survey USA poll shows nearly half of Minnesotans surveyed say its time for Republican Norm Coleman to concede the U.S. Senate race to Democrat Al Franken.
According to the poll, 56% of Minnesotans think the recount was fair to both sides and just 31% think it was unfair to Norm Coleman. 49% disagree with Coleman's decision to contest the election (42% agree) and 44% think he should concede.
Neither candidate is doing well with voters: both are viewed unfavorably by a plurality of Minnesotans, who just want to see this conflict go away. To that end, perhaps most telling of all: just 8% want to see another recount, which is what Coleman's election contest requests.
Despite these numbers, the alternate reality Coleman campaign claims to be enthused:
The Coleman campaign says the poll reinforces their decision to contest the election to make sure all Minnesotans can be assured the results are valid.
Yikes. I guess that's why nobody ever accused Norm Coleman of being being the sharpest tool in the shed...
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Time for Normy to go! Make way for Big Al, the next Democratic Senator from Minnesota.
norm holeman is gonna hang around like a bad flu weakening the republican image in minnesota as well as in the rest of the nation...maybe bill o'liarly should run for the senate seat in new york in 2010...see how he does....hahahahahaha
reproductive rights as human rights, the United States has moved backwards.
so we should follow the rest of the world saying that killing your your baby should be basic human right i don't think so responsibility for on action in sex and no abortions should be should move to in the united states
Good morning, all.
Gee Sandy, where were you in highschool when they taught world geography? Fornicating in the backseat of a beat up Edsel? The shipping route from Greece to Israel is almost a straight shot, less than 800 nautical miles, and goes NOWHERE EVEN CLOSE to Somalia. Look at a map before you start posting bullshit....
And pirates can't go other places other than off the Horn of Africa? Where in the hell have you been? Modern pirates have been operating around the globe with arms bought from American gun shows for decades.
It's this sort of conservative flat earth thinking that allowed the 911 terris to learn to fly planes (not land them) inside our shores at American flight schools and then walk onto commercial airplanes at our border to attack this nation.
The threat is clear and present, so you don't go around outsourcing your military and issuing press releases about it. I wouldn't be surprised if Bush didn't hire the Russians to haul this ammo who would then turn around and deliver it to Iran instead.
You forget just how stupid your side is. We don't...and neither will the next few younger generations of Americans who will never trust the GOP again. You're damaged, faulty, and unsafe goods. Get used to living with the reputation you created for yourself.
WolfgangBanger on January 10, 2009 at 10:24 AM
Five years on this blog and this is the best name and story you can come up with? You're not really trying. Your heart's not in it any longer?
gregg on January 10, 2009 at 09:09 AM
gregg,
I'll second that emotion.
I have the feeling that the Republicans aren't interested in resurrecting their party as a viable entity with wide-ranging opinions and a progressive wing. Let the dead enders hold onto the RNC for dear life.
If the crap being circulated by the likes of Limbaugh is any indication of were they are stuck, we might have a long run of it this time. Just imagine how old and hard Sarah's pretty face will look by 2012 with all that self-pity and bigotry eating away at her.
I must say that foxy old coot McCain isn't letting anything bother him theses days. I guess he never really believed in ANY of that Far Right religious and cultural stuff. But he fooled them into nominating him just the same.
gregg on January 10, 2009 at 08:37 AM
Isn't it sweet that the first measures we passed are about equal rights? That's telling the world who we really are again.
The Others can sit on their corrupt, bigoted, and globalization island and stew about it.
Congressional Republicans may have forged a fragile peace with President-elect Obama as he pushes his stimulus plan. But they face an insurgency on their right flank.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/09/conservative-bloggers-up_n_156699.html
The right wing nuts really need to get over it.
rjsnj on January 10, 2009 at 08:28 AM
Hi, rj.
The RNC doesn't have anything but a right flank left and a few really desperate incumbents. My Rep Senator Bond has bailed out rather than face the music in 2010.
He was a semi-Far right advocate. I'll give him Brownie points for starting that "socialist" early childhood education program, Parents as First Teachers. Funny, but that was the only thing he was publicizing yesterday as he made his Leagacy Farewell Tour around our state.
Apparently, it's good to be a progressive again...even if it's one of your main Republican failings.
We better keep our eyes on Eisenhower's old domain. The rats may try to make their reemergence through a pothole in the Midwest as populists and progressives. What other lie can they run on?
rjsnj on January 10, 2009 at 08:33 AM
I'm not sure if Kennedy has the balls to last for the long haul, but like Burris, why not seat her and find out?
We need as many of those reliable Democratic votes in the Senate as we can right now. She certainly wouldn't have any problem raising money for herself or another Democratic candidate in 2010. We must hold onto this state.
New York can be tricky as a blue state. The RNC isn't as Far Right there except when it comes to economic irresponsibility/globalization crap which isn't going to get any Republican elected for a long time. But the fiscal conservative bend is alluring...
I'd like to see the New York Democrats fight for the nomination in 2010 just to see who is the strongest. While I see Kennedy mostly as a place saver, she might fool us all. Other inspired newcomers have proven their worth and taken their place inside our party.
bbl.
Gas price hikes do to an escalating war in the Middle East? No wonder Bush is staying out of it... he's letting the pig feed on the market one more time. And NOW they want to escalate it? It's aweful. Making millions suffer doesn't stop a few people with home-made "rockets." I wonder why they don't understand that they are creating more violence? Do they care? Or is it another leader of a nation with falling popularity so he decides to start the war to get some to rally around him? I think so.
Big_Yellow_Dog on January 10, 2009 at 11:55 AM
Hi, BYD,
They are all trying to hold onto some power with these fruitless attacks...sensing that something new is about to come onto the scene that will change the way this human tragedy is handled in the future.
The time for change has come. Some welcome it; some worry about where they will fit into the new picture. It's a time for reflection over why nothing that has been tried in the last 60 years has ever worked. And it's also a time to embrace flexibility.
later.
IMO, seat Roland Burris because it's the law, and Burris knows that if he doesn't perform very well for Democrats, he will face a huge field of very popular Dems in a primary in just more than a year. I think Burris wants to be re-elected once he tastes the power, and will not mess this up. Also, both Burris and the Gov know that everything has been recorded for a couple of years, so Burris is clean. Sure, he helped the Gov, but that's politics, and it's very legal and normal. IMO, seat Burris, and watch him like a hawk. I'm sick of hearing about this in the news.
Who knew that Fitzgerald would "talk" about releasing more Blagovich tapes to the public? Who knew that this would get turned into a media circus? Who knew that this was really a media stunt designed to haunt Dems, especially Illinois Democrats, for a very long time? I told you all.
If Fitz has the goods on Blago... bring charges NOW, and let the Dems move on with Lt. Gov Patrick Quinn. The Illinois Lt. Gov is more than qualified, and he will do an excellent job.
Hi Sandy. Happy New Year!
I hope you are right, and these war mongers are just trying to act up now, because they know that once 1-20-09 gets here... it's a new ball game, and this anti-diplomacy won't be allowed anymore.
Good morning / afternoon, all!
I see we have a new poster doing line by line rebuttals. Perhaps he didn't lurk back to yesterday when this article (which is the basis of the give and take between Sandy and the troll) was posted?
LONDON (Reuters) - The U.S. is seeking to hire a merchant ship to deliver hundreds of tons of arms to Israel from Greece later this month, tender documents seen by Reuters show.The U.S. Navy's Military Sealift Command (MSC) said the ship was to carry 325 standard 20-foot containers of what is listed as "ammunition" on two separate journeys from the Greek port of Astakos to the Israeli port of Ashdod in mid-to-late January.
A "hazardous material" designation on the manifest mentions explosive substances and detonators, but no other details were given.
U.S. seeks ship to move arms to Israel
See? Military shipments being outsourced to non military corporations. NO Navy protection, NO armed ships, NO US Navy sailors protecting tons of bang bang. Just an unarmed merchant marine ship chugging along minding its own business doing 2 round trips. Yeah, what could possibly go wrong?
It's like something out of a James Bond movie just waiting to happen.
Hey dude, who's the friend who directed you here? Anybody we would know? Any chance he or she is from MN?
HAPPY NEW YEAR, DEMOCRATS!!!
Only 9 more days until we have real and lasting change. It's about time. I wish all Democrats a great New Year.
Congratulations to Gov. Kaine. I hope he can be as effective as Gov. Dean... but that might be nearly impossible. I hope that Gov Kaine will ofter consult Chairman Dean on how to handle things, and continue with the 50 State Strategy.
Well, Jesse White has finally figured out that he was being used as Reid's personal scapegoat and decided he ain't gonna be the fall guy.
WTF? After all this, Jesse White certifies Burris.
And the possibility of a recall petition against White for not doing his job could have played into it along with ignoring the state Supreme Court.
Harry, the ball is back in your court.
So a third flag operation is getting involved with international arms shipments? Again, what could possibly go wrong? Which country do you think will volunteer to be the next terrorism target? Italy? Spain? Greece? And nowhere in that article DOES it say that there will be a naval escort.
Just more stupidity from the Chimp. Why advertise it anyway? I know Chimpco doesn't believe in covert operations (i.e., outing Plame and her entire spy cell operation and its contacts) because it ain't macho enough for the penile challenged little men in the GOP but, c'mon!
These assholes can't leave soon enough.
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"Do not feed the trolls" and its abbreviation DNFTT redirect here. For the Wikipedia essay, see "What is a troll?". For other uses see Troll (disambiguation).
An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.[2]
Well, I guess we can look forward to a bunch of feces and diaper comments now.
neo_con on January 10, 2009 at 01:09 PM
No, the question you dupe, is how stupid are you. Sandy's post was as follows:
Why doesn't the White House just send a personal press release to the Somalia pirates informing them what and where to look for their next ransom target? Who are the military geniuses who thought up privatization of arms shipments?
Who are the idiots who thought up governmental privatization of anything?
53SandyH on January 9, 2009 at 10:19 PM
Her reference to "Somalia pirates" was obviously meant to provide a specific group to represent a larger group. So while she used "omalia pirates" to get her point accross that the information should not be published, she could have just as easily used "Islamic terrorists" or something similar. Because I know you're stupid, I'll spell it out for you. She could have said,
"Why doesn't the White House just send a personal press release to the ISLAMIC TERRORISTS informing them what and where to look for their next SHIPMENT of ARMS? See how that works. You use a specific example to make a general point.
Poor stupid republican dupe.
And regarding the guns the pirates use, where do the get them? You seem to think your so smart and you seem to think that if they don't get on a boat and come here themselves, then SOME of the guns can't at some point be purchased in the US. Well, where do the get them. Put up or shut up.
Mary_Mac,
HI! Happy New Year to you.
Good to see you on the boards.
Chicago and DBDBD: Did either of you happen to see the excellent article written by President Carter about how the current conflict between Israel and Palestine could have been avoided entirely. I posted links over the last couple of days. You can find it on www.truthout.org.
It was truly 'eye-opening!'
Chicago and DBDBD: While you read the posts of the TROLLS above, please remember how they think of you and their objectives in posting here before you consider answering them.
This is from Wiki:
The contemporary use of the term is alleged to have first appeared on the internet in the late 1980s[3], but the earliest known example is from 1991[4]. It is thought to be a truncation of the phrase trolling for suckers, itself derived from the fishing technique of slowly dragging a bait through water, known as trolling.[5] The word also evokes the trolls portrayed in Scandinavian folklore and children's tales as they are often obnoxious creatures bent on mischief and wickedness. The verb "troll" originates from Old French "troller", a hunting term. The noun "troll", however, is an unrelated Old Norse word for a giant or demon. [6]
Keep an eye on this, he DIDN'T say that.
Most notably, up to 3 to 4 million jobs will be saved or created by 2010,...
neo_con on January 10, 2009 at 01:32 PM
Not even close, dip-stick, to a reasonable response. So only AMERICAN made guns are sold at gun shows? When's the last time you went to a gun show. You really are a republican dupe.
And YOU are the one that claimed they didn't get any of the guns they use from gun shows. As I said, you seem to be so stupid as to believe that if they don't get on a boat and buy them themselves, then the gun couldn't have come through a gun show. So the easy way to see if YOU know what YOU are talking about is for YOU to show us how YOU know where the guns come from. So, As I said, put up or shut up, stupid republican dupe!
Yes Mary, I did read Carter's piece on the Mideast peace accords that Chimpy ruined after 30 largely successful years.
But Chimpy is a moron and we all knew it from the get go.
Chicago, maybe they get their guns from "nice" Pug donating assholes like this clown.
Arms dealer's dad wanted 'nice' doctor son
A "nice" Pug kid selling Russian and Chinese guns and other arms to whomever he wanted.
Bucks triumph over all with these jerks.
Good afternoon, all.
So the conservatives have sent out Professor Troll and that sore loser who always defends the inalienable rights of incompetents to act hysterical when their ideology fails.
How's this for a topic of argument:
The current economic mess was deliberately designed to cover up the traitorous activities of those who instigated globalization.
Any takers from the other side?
You conservatives knew that deregulation would lead to speculation and de-stablize the banking and financial sector. What a plan. You could benefit financially from being at the top of the Ponzi schemes and also dump the blame on sub-primes instead of the outsourcing of American assets and equity to foreign concerns.
You liquidated our capitol under the cover of night. So much for patriots and family values.
It was a clever idea but it all backfired when Bush started a costly war that made commodities more attractive than securities and ran up the deficit contrary to conservative philosophy. You should have explained it all to The Chimp and clued in those bird brain Neocons.
The banks finally caught on and balked at extending any more credit to a bankrupt Bush Crime Family enterprise which owes everyone including Communist countries who are now going to nationalize any American assets within their borders or financial institutions.
But you still can focus attention to the Second Great Depression instead of the traitors within our borders who sold their country out to foreign interests.
The Scam is treason. Republicans no longer are Americans. They consider themselves members of the World's Elite. But now the World's Elite are in hot water all around the globe with their citizens, too, because of Bush.
Moral of the story....Never put a C- student in charge of anything and give him unlimited power.
neo_con on January 10, 2009 at 01:52 PM
WOW, you really ARE stupid.
First of all, it doesn't have to be Somalian pirates. As I said, that was just a general example to make the point. Do you understand how that works, or do you read at a third grade level. That would explain why you are having trouble understanding. In the third grade readers, when they talk about a rabbit, they mean a rabbit. So unless you are reading at a third grade level, stop being so literal.
Second, as I also stated, the people using the guns don't necessarily have to buy them themselves. Gee, maybe they could have a person here working with them? Maybe they could buy them a few at a time??? Do ya' think? So unless they are an idiot like you, they would not have to buy $400,000 worth of guns at one show. Gee, maybe they could buy a few here and a few there. You already look stupid for believing that only AMERICAN made guns are sold at US gun shows. DPD illustrated that idiotic comment of your well. Try a little harder on this part. So the ball is STILL in your court, dip-stick. Where do these pirates get there guns? If you know, show us with a link. If you don't, then just admit you are a stupid republican twit who doesn't really know what he is talking about.
So it will be simple, if you don't post a link, you're a twit.
neo_con on January 10, 2009 at 01:52 PM
Again your flat earth outlook on the world stops at the Temple of Limbaugh.
Gunning running is a very lucrative business with all the chaos in the world mostly started by conservatives wanting to make a fast buck. These "business men" will go to any easy source, pick up the material, and re-sell it to anyone.
Gun shows have been notorious for their lack of security. Nobody asks any questions. And if someone suggests that there maybe a problem, they are against the Second Amendment.
The people who troll those events have a network that works in the back rooms at these places. You can buy just about anything including missiles if you have entry to the network and know how the system works. Many of our nation's adversaries and other countries' military have been working our stupidity for years.
When you won't face the facts, you're doomed to failure. I suppose that's why Republicans are seen as just that now by voters.
I suppose you will just start up another party or go into rehab and find Jesus...again. You're too much of cowards to come out of the closet and admit who you really are.
First of all, it doesn't have to be Somalian pirates. As I said, that was just a general example to make the point. Do you understand how that works, or do you read at a third grade level...
Chicago on January 10, 2009 at 02:09 PM
Chicago,
Don't waste your breath. I pointed this out last night and they just shut up and went away...only to come back and use the same stupid point again. They aren't smarter than third graders....and these are the "smart ones" that they send here to uphold their honor and ideology?
neo_con on January 10, 2009 at 02:03 PM
Well looky there... Neocon can actually back up one of his arguments. Thank you. Of course the fact that they get MOST of their guns from Yemen and a "significant amount" from Mogadishu, does not mean that,
1. The guns are manufactured there.
2. They don't get some of their guns through other sources.
And again, Sandy's point was more general. She said,
"And pirates can't go other places other than off the Horn of Africa? Where in the hell have you been? Modern pirates have been operating around the globe with arms bought from American gun shows for decades." So she was talking about pirates in general and actually indicated pirates OTHER than the Somalian ones were using weapons from gun shows. Understand what was said before you start off trying to prove something that has nothing to do with the arguement. But I'm glad your not a complete twit. Thanks for the link.
The point is that the liberals favorite game is to make America look bad and be responcible for everything evil. They will use all means to do it,including bashing any and everything remotely connected to the word conservative.
158neo_con on January 10, 2009 at 02:27 PM
That's just stupid. It is the Conservative idiots like yourself that have made America look bad. Now we have to clean up YOUR mess. We do that by getting back to the US's core principles. Honor and dignity. We don't torture. You fools gave us Bush, now you don't want to be responsible for the fruits of his efforts. You are a stupid republican dupe.
So when Burris and Franken are seated, what will the total be?
57 Dems
2 Independents
41 GOP'ers
Is that right? If so, they will need every single republican vote to sustain a fillibuster.
It's going to be a hard row to hoe for the republican obstructionists.
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Chicago on January 10, 2009 at 02:09 PM
Another thing to think about is where are all those that Rummy left sitting around while we were guarding the Oil Ministry?
The trool just doesn't get it. It's a common trool tactic, attack 1 line of a long and detailed argument leaving out the fact that they don't get analogy, because to them the world is not only flat, it's linear.
As the Pugs famously state often, "We don't do nuance".
(Meaning they don't think, ergo the main point as to WHY they are horrible at diplomacy and tact.)
And let's get off the Somalian pirates distraction. ANYBODY can read Chimpy's advertisment for a ship (the Millenium Falcon) to openly smuggle/sneak TONS of explosives from point A to point B twice.
GEE, d'ya t'ink Hammas has anybody with a RPG that can read English?
OR (and as we have seen, this may not be too off kilter) Chimpy will do a "false flag operation" and attack our own shipment in order to start a whole mess o' shit so he can his Master Cheney can hold on to power under the terms of the National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive, Number 51
That's right. Chimpy wrote a signing statement whereas he can declare himself Dictator for Life based solely on his say so.
She specifically said SOMALI PIRATES. You can´t talk your way out of it.
162neo_con on January 10, 2009 at 02:44 PM
Okay, I think that proves it. He doesn't understand the concept. Third grade reader it is. That also explains why he is a republican.
Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on January 10, 2009 at 02:48 PM
DPD, Absolutely right. Well stated, articulate and succinct as usual. I agree, lets move on. The troll is operating on a third grade level so he's not going to be able to understand anyway.
You can stuff your so called concepts in your backdoor. You are talking in circles
165neo_con on January 10, 2009 at 02:55 PM
Chill out little dude. Try reading slower and think about the words as you read them. We aren't talking in circles. It just seems that way to you. We're moving on to a different topic. Please try to keep up.
I don't know why links aren't taking for the last few days. If there are more than 1 or 2 links in a post some get dropped.
Paragraph One:
Another thing to think about is where are all those foreign made munitions that Rummy left unguarded while we were preoccupied with guarding the Iraqi Oil Ministry?
The point is that the liberals favorite game is to make America look bad and be responcible for everything evil. They will use all means to do it,including bashing any and everything remotely connected to the word conservative.
neo_con on January 10, 2009 at 02:27 PM
I'm actually very conservative both fiscally and socially. That's how I was raised and it's made my life rich in many ways.
I'm not "making" anybody or anything look bad. I'm being realistic. One must face facts and the way things are not insist that everything is OK when it's not. You make adjustments and work with others to get things done. I was taught that by my parents, my liberal arts education, and by my faith.
You refuse to admit anything is wrong. I believe that was one of Jesus' main teachings: Don't be afraid of admitting you've gone down the wrong path. You aren't going to be judged by your mistakes when you can learn from them and change.
There is something ingrained in the current Republican conservative ideology that does not allow for anything but perfection. You have to control everything and must never admit you faltered. This black and white view of the universe is not conducive to happiness or any real success in the long-term.
Go ahead and continue to live for the short-term. You're life is edging every so quickly to the long-term and you can't stop it. And you can't be perfect; you weren't created that way. Neither was I and I admit it.
I expect to be proven wrong. When I get it right, it's usually because others point it out to me. I look for advice and criticism.
Grow up and accept your mortality. You're way to old to be behaving like an adolescent. I'm tired of having this discussion every few weeks with the same people.
Sit back and watch the Inauguration with the rest of us. Enjoy the fact that new people with new ideas are going to be giving it a try. Failure is so hard to face year after year after year...like it's been the last eight.
bbl.
Hell for all we know Chimpy will have that ship blown up himself in order to start WWIII.
I wouldn't put it past him OR his evil puppet master.
The Shrub family made a FORTUNE after the sinking of the Maine. Remember the Maine?
When the United States military ships anything sensitive or of a nature that would be detrimental to US security via a contract ship, they supply armed escort.
Do they? Are you absolutely certain of that any longer? This administration has privatized and cut corners so much. Do you know that things are the way they are supposed to be?
I assume you were sure that the fundamentals of the economy were sound, too.
Your Boys were irresponsible and they haven't shown me any reason to believe that they are going to change their ways. They have been secretive and stealth. They have changed the way our government reports facts to make themselves look good.
They put our military at risk with fraud and then stretched their strength. How do you know anything is being done to code and regulation?
Hell for all we know Chimpy will have that ship blown up himself in order to start WWIII.
I wouldn't put it past him OR his evil puppet master.Shrub family made a FORTUNE after the sinking of the Maine. Remember the Maine?
Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on January 10, 2009 at 03:14 PM
Excellent point. The whole Bush Crime Family was on a destroyer today looking kind of smug and cagey. They would do anything to divert attention from their failures and corruption...and make a few bucks at the same time.
That is a fact.
Do you suppose that Obama might appoint Dr. Dean as the Surgeon General? He's what our public health system needs...a real doctor who understands the political system.
later.
i am still amazed at the breadth and depth of the beating the pelicans took on 11/4. it is as if rove's wish for the republican long term majority boomeranged and came back as a strong democratic majority....and with racists and sexists like sarah and mcconnel leading the party of the old south i expect them to sink further and further into oblivion...
Reading "Breaking Ranks: Refusing to Serve in the West Bank and Gaza Strip," by Ronit Chacham, Jerusalem, Israel. Interviews with 9 Israeli soldiers and how they could no longer live with themselves while oppressing/killing the Palestinians during the occupation (2003).
ISBN # 1-59051-043-7
www.otherpress.com
These are the events missing from our media, but not from the rest of the world, which explains 20,000 protesting in London today.
We need a change of policy with Israel. At the same time we need a change in energy policy. The two are inter-related. We get off of middle east oil, and the Middle East is no longer strategically linked to energy. (Hydrogen/exlectric).
We have a serious economic problem with staggering debt. Cut aid to Israel. We've funded them with billions enough in military aid. That will send a clear signal.
We need to learn the history of this 1948 Israeli state, which has been sorely lacking from our school's curriculums. Read "The Transfer Agreement" (the Ha 'avara), by Edwin Black (American Jewish author). This state is not simply made up of Holocaust victims, but also 50,000 Jews who enter Palestine in 1933 in exchange for transferring assets to the Third Reich, and opening trade through Palestine, breaking their own world trade embargo against Germany. This Ashkenazim (European) leadership has dominated the state ever since then, and never recognized the rights of the natives, and segregates itself from the local Safardic native Arab Jews. Paradoxically, the state is built on this internal racism. And the victim turned victimizer from the beginning.
Our media will continue to feed Islamaphobia...the nine soldiers of the IDF were fed it from childhood on, growing up in Israel. It's time to read, look again, beyond the AIPAC controlled media we have. Right now, we are only feeding the problem of ongoing antisemitism - against the people of Palestine - yes as strange as it sounds...for they are the one's being driven off of land and killed in the greatest numbers.
sarah's new video done by the right wing guy is very funny, she asks if caroline kennedy will be treated as unfairly as she was being asked what newspapers she read and all...oh and about a supreme court case she thought was important...not only would caroline handle those very well but she could probably do so while asleep...keep palin in the news she is the democrats best friend.
Sandy, Chimpy will outsource the protection too. He is the asshol who sent unarmored troops into a shooting war because Darth Cheney's company couldn't make enough money on bulletproof vests. Chimpy is the one who sent unarmored troop carriers into a ground war and had them driving around in "land mine alley" because Darth Cheney's company couldn't make enough money on them.
Chimpy is the one who has been electrocuting Soldiers in the shower because Darth Cheney;'s company couldn't make enough money.
Chimpy was feeding the Soldiers tainted meat and polluted water because Darth Cheney's company couldn't make enough money.
Hell, Cheney even makes a profit off the body bags.
What a bunch of sub-human pieces of shit.
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gregg on January 10, 2009 at 03:28 PM
gregg, I HOPE McMoosebrains asks Caroline about SCOTUS cases. All she has to say to to Princess Mooseshit is "DON'T YOU KNOW HOW TO READ, YOU TWIT?"
Well, 9 Days, 20 Hours and 20 Minutes until we can flush this turd all the way to the Hague.
Gee as opposed to Chimpy Shrub:
Yale LEGACY "scholarship" who paid his classmates to do his work?
And they were no dummies. They got into College whatever way they did, but once they started doing his work THEY had the ability to game the curve to their advantage, but Chimpy was too drunk or stupid to realize that they weren't giving him their best work, and in fact could also slack off because Chimpy was lowering the bar for the whole class. Such is the problem with grading on a curve when the stupidest piece of shit on Earth is a classmate and "thinks" he is one up on everybody else. THEY took him for a ride and he still doesn't get it.
THESE underachievers are the ones who are now populating the Executive branch.
Chimpy and his little elves.
Then we get Chimpy, Harvard "legacy"
One of his Economics professors called him the stupidest man in the room.
Let's see CK's GPA against Princess Mooseshit's.
It took Thumbass long enough to prove my prediction. Now he is into his regularly shit and diapers rant.
Way to go, Tommy. You held out this long. BTW, isn't this the weekend for your "bi-curious diapers and dildoes fetishists" meetup? Snowing too hard to make the trip?
Boy, Tommy. You post the same thing you posted @ 1:35 and do a follow up ignoring tha fact that I posted the video of Obama's address @ 1:42.
He did NOT say what is claimed in that AP article.
Pull the vibrator out of your kiester and go back to the 1:42 post and watch the actual video.
The operative term is "saved or created". It's in the PDF link at the post.
Some of the levels of exchange on this site bring to mind the observations made by an editor from Haaretz, in Israel. There is a danger, of the anonymity of this technology, that allows people to engage in attacks and exchanges that are subhuman. It feeds alienation, rather than enhancing communication. When such mindsets are part of our lived out reality - you see the war, the dead, now in Gaza. Eric Fromm, left as he saw the rise of fascism in Germany. I wonder, if I am seeing it rise here.
Fromm on January 10, 2009 at 04:28 PM
Gee, that's nice, Fromm. Now if you can think of a way to get rid of the trolls so human discourse can ensue uninterupted, then you will have really figured something out.
I wonder if someone is behind this, putting her up to this when it's really not her desire to go there.
189WolfgangBanger on January 10, 2009 at 03:57 PM
hello.
do you believe that CK would do something against her own best interests? what would she have to gain?
204WolfgangBanger on January 10, 2009 at 04:39 PM
if a person has been here (dnc ka) for 3 or more years, we know each others real names, what we do for a living, our family lives, ect.
do no evil, no evil shall come to you. have no fear.
2 articles from the same source, not "different" in the sense that they are from 2 "different" sources, just the same one "updated.
The SOURCE is in the PDF file I linked to. It's what Obama based his address on, and the AP article shortened the phrase "saved or created" to "create", and used some weird math of their own making to flesh out the story.
Of course, you being a trool are too stupid or lazy to actually read the damn thing or watch the video, so this is just an exercise in showing the shallowness of Pug wingnuttery at its lamest.
A place in the Kennedy Family legacy for one.
207WolfgangBanger on January 10, 2009 at 04:50 PM
doesn't she have that already?
I believe opportunities come when it is necessary in ones life. If she believes the Kennedy legacy, for those who much are given, much is required in return, I shall look forward to her serving as a Senator.
Looks like we might get to find out after all who Jeff Gannon was visiting all those times he showed up at the White House....
Judge Rejects Keeping White House Visitor Logs Private
U.S. District Judge Royce C. Lamberth's ruling dismissed the Bush administration's argument that revealing Secret Service logs would impede the president's ability to perform his constitutional duties.
By Pete Yost
Associated Press
Saturday, January 10, 2009; Page A07
A federal judge yesterday rejected the Bush administration's latest attempt to keep secret the identities of White House visitors, and he declared that the government illegally deleted Secret Service computer records.
U.S. District Judge Royce C. Lamberth concluded that the deletions took place before October 2004, when the Secret Service transferred large numbers of entry and exit logs to the White House and then deleted copies of them.
The deletions ceased after the archivist to the United States instructed the Secret Service to stop the practice and after various private organizations went to court in an effort to gain access to the logs, according to papers filed in the case. The deletions date to at least 2001, the government's papers added, the year President Bush took office.
Lamberth's ruling brushed aside the government's argument that revealing Secret Service logs would impede the president's ability to perform his constitutional duties.
The judge said that the likelihood of harm is not great enough to justify curtailing the public disclosure goals of the Freedom of Information Act.
While the case was a setback for the Bush White House, the effect of the claim of a presidential communications privilege succeeded in dragging out the lawsuit until the end of the Bush administration...
Was it Rove, Scooter, or Spunky? Who was so partial to entertaining gay hookers? I assume Cheney would have shot him to hide the evidence.
I think being the last living piece of 'Camelot' is enough of a "place" in the family "legacy".
WolfgangBanger on January 10, 2009 at 03:27 PM
Pirates have no nationality. They fly the Jolly Roger. What's you problem? You didn't like Disney's take on gay pirates? Johnny Depp will be crestfallen.
neo_con on January 10, 2009 at 03:33 PM
The Greeks don't like Bush...none of them. I assume somebody wanted to make trouble since they couldn't get a crack at throwing shoes at him.
But as fate would have it, they stumbling onto something that needs to be examined by the Obama administration pronto. I still say the Russians will take advantage of this Bush military security risk.
Did you know that Obama has had to create a new new Cabinet post just to check into all of Spunky's mistakes, lies, and fuzzy math?
Jesus Christ opn a pogo stick. You really ARE that stupid.
They are two articles (actually 1 article and a rewrite) BOTH by Philip Elliot, posted about 1 hour apart. Philip Elliot probably didn't even write the second one, some junior editor may have because 9pay attention, now) AP is a news "wire service" that provides content to a slew of member papers and othe media.
They regularly post 200, 100 and shorter versions of the same "story" so the local editors can fit the thing into their available page space. They may even be working on a long form 10 column inch broadsheet layout right now for the Sunday paper run.
Again, everything you post just reiterates the point that you Pug wingnuts have been spouting bullshit for over 8 years now, and you truly have NOTHING left.
It just shows the shallowness of the Pug "thought process" in that you cling to nothing and think you are holding gold.
Read the effin' PDF and watch Obama's video, to which I previously linked.
I believe opportunities come when it is necessary in ones life. If she believes the Kennedy legacy, for those who much are given, much is required in return, I shall look forward to her serving as a Senator.
Esmeralda on January 10, 2009 at 04:56 PM
Hi, Essie.
Me, too. I bet she could rise to the occasion. The more the Republicans and their corporate media bash her, the more I'm thinking she has a lot of potential.
Have you ever read Kennedy's book about the Bill of Rights. She seemed to be on top of Bush's growing threat in that area when the rest of us were still just outraged about the WMD lies.
Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on January 10, 2009 at 04:59 PM
DPD,
I assume that some of her kids might be old enough to be reaching that age when Kennedys answer the call to public service? Let's hope they, too, come out of the bubble and start freakin' out the Republicans.
In Camelot that's how conditions are...
We have them coming and going. Kennedys to the left of them, Obamas to the right of them. And evangelicals offering the blessing over the entire affair. Camelot includes everyone but those who are too grumpy to join in the festivities.
neo_con on January 10, 2009 at 05:17 PM
I thought the Greeks were still rioting. Thanks for telling them about our ammo dumps.
There's nothing free fireworks over the U.S. Embassy in the middle of a protest? Maybe they will save them for the Inauguration celebration instead.
You better hope so. According to the Patriot Act giving military info to terris (without being waterboarded) could land you in Gitmo.
hi sandyh. I hope you are well.
no, I haven't. sounds like something I would enjoy.
WolfgangBanger on January 10, 2009 at 04:39 PM
Oh, I'm sure the NSA has your number alright. What possessed you to pick such a stupid handle and then think you wouldn't be a person of interest to the authorities.
I'd suggest re-registering as Pinocchio and taking your chances that we don't notice your nose is always hanging into your beer mug.
No, asshole. Speaking of which, how long until your batteries run down?
Essie,
How did it go with both girls this afternoon. Did either of them take a nap?
sandy,
it was only sisaroo today. she's a sleeper/eater...and has the most hair I've ever seen on a baby.
bella has an ear infection. ;(
I am going to keep them one at a time for a few months so that the babies get to know me. miss lily is growing so fast. she is very alert and stays up during her visits. she has red hair and blue eyes. (bold says she looks like me...and I agree)
radical leftwing geeks...
Don't you mean Greeks? And that's what their ancient culture was...radical, leftwing, and just the stuff all technological geeks admire... mathematics, the Arts, military agility, philosophy, and democracy.
Oh, yes. We better get out the Billy clubs and laughing gas. These people are dangerous. They might throw shoes at Bush before they knock him down with their intellect.
I thought Bush looked today very much like the dapper drunken pirate that he normally resembles. Leave it to Poppy to make sure his legacy is complete...have your son name an air craft carrier after you when you know nobody else would.
I’d suggest Obama christen our sinking economy after its creator, George W. Bush.
Esmeralda on January 10, 2009 at 05:49 PM
Red hair and blue eyes? Sounds like one of my sons. There is a little Irish in the mix I assume? I'm glad you get to have them so often. Some grandmothers are not so lucky.
The head of EXXON/ Mobil has thrown in the towel and is now calling for carbon taxes! So I guess they will no longer be funding those so called "scientists" who are global warming deniers for hire.
WolfgangBanger on January 10, 2009 at 04:32 PM
Chicago politicians do not bury the bodies. They throw them in the Lake. You are so uninformed.
I wonder if the Bush Crime Family wasn't throwing bodies off the back of that carrier today. I didn't see Cheney, so he could have been shoveling them off the back while the cameras were posed elsewhere....or was that more American jobs being offshored by the GOP?
WolfgangBanger on January 10, 2009 at 06:03 PM
Wow. You know a lot about this. Have you paid a ransom lately? So you've got a few spare million to pay in taxes after all? Cough it up. You can afford it.
neo_con on January 10, 2009 at 06:09 PM
Is that what you told yourself when you wife left you?
I'm sure the red hair will turn strawberry blonde, like her mother. I enjoy my Saturday afternoons with them, but wish I wasn't away so much through the week.
how are your sons?
Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on January 10, 2009 at 06:00 PM
What will the trolls post all night now? It looks like one of them swiped a King James Bible from some hotel room.
Glad to have had a chance to "see" you all today. I'm logging off. Have a great date night.
Esmeralda on January 10, 2009 at 06:12 PM
There doing great. Homework, girlfriends, and part-time jobs keep them occupied. I only see them when they wonder why there isn't any milk in the frig. Well, not that seldom. We still watch movies and go to football games together.
I'd rather be home playing with some grandchildren, but maybe it would be better if they finished their education first? No student loans yet. Keep your fingers crossed, they can hold onto those scholarships.
Good night, Essie. Take care.
Good night, DPD and Chicago, if you're still around.
Good night, trolls. Get out those noisemakers and dust off the champagne. Less than two weeks till the big day.
For those interested in exploring links calling for a ceasefire in Gaze:
For Rabbi Lerner's balanced analysis on the war in Gaza:
www.tikkun.org.
WolfgangBanger on January 10, 2009 at 06:19 PM
What? You're going to be highlighted on Jay Leno's dumb criminal segment with that name. Look at what you are posting under, man. Stupid is too kind of a word. I hope you don't go into FaceBook using it to attract dates. Geeze.
Four Benefits of Putting Margin in Your Life
“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.” Matthew 11:28-30 (NIV)
*** *** *** ***
Here are four immediate benefits you’ll receive by building margin into your life:
1. Peace of mind. When you’re not always hurrying and worrying, you have time to think, time to relax, time to enjoy life. We had a bird come into the building one evening before service. He started singing, and it was just like we’d been given an invitation: “Just relax. Everybody except those sitting directly under the bird, relax.”
2. Better health. Unrelenting stress harms our bodies. We all know that, yet we let it continue day after day after day. Many times we only build margin in our lives after the heart attack almost happens or does happen, or the blood pressure skyrockets. Why do we wait until our health plummets before we make this decision? Why not realize thatwe need to build some margin intoour lives now? The truth is your body needs downtime in order to heal. Race cars make pit stops occasionally in order to get repaired. You can’t fix anything going 200 miles an hour. Yet, we try to repair ourselves while we’re still racing through life. Margin builds in time for better health.
3. Stronger relationships. Lack of margin is one big reason for the collapse of the American family today. When we don’t make relationships a priority and make time for each other, our relationships suffer. Relationships take time; and margin provides the time to sit and talk, to listen and enjoy one another, and to provide the comfort we each need.
4. Usefulness in ministry. When you’re overloaded by activity, you can only think of yourself. You’re in survival mode, just trying to make it through another day. But being available to God for his use makes all the difference in this world.
When you have no margin in your life and God taps you on the shoulder, saying, “I’d like you to do this for me,” your first response isn’t joy. Your first response is, “Oh, no! Another thing to do! Sorry, God – I’d like to do that, but I’m just too busy.”
We end up resenting the great opportunities God brings into our lives. But when you have margin, you’re available for God to use.
You don’t have to live on overload. You don’t have to live in survival mode. Begin today to build a buffer around your schedule. Then enjoy the benefits of margin and see what God does next!
Well, I wasted my time Googling (as per the demand) "Caroline Kennedy" and ghost writer and then I used the Plus sign (+) and both of them led me to the same page of wingnut bullshit.
SSOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooo, gangBanger, just WHO directed you to this site where you are apparently tasked with having us FACT CHECK and SOURCE your BULLSHIT? You never have said the name of your "friend". Do we know him" Is he claiming to be in Germany? Tell us. Or don't. That is your perogitive, such as it is.
Because we do SOURCE and FACT CHECK, doncha know (wink). Also.
...What will the trolls post all night now?...
Diapers and bestiality. Poop and anti-global warming BS from some paid off (until today) assclown in New Zealand.
And then more poop, diapers and bestiality. Followed by a few man Coldsore screeds, and then more diapers and poop.
With a side trip to squirrels and goats, and a LOT of (hidden latent) homo-talk.
What else do the trools ever do?
No think, no link.
So says the anal rapist / unlawful detention / kidnapping / strong arm robbery committing / burglar and petty thief who has admitted several times to a Class X felony.
Until you change your story once again.
Hey! Tell us all once again how you personally beat up a bunch of "Hippies" at the "Riverdance Studios" oops, I mean the MSP airport, and the cops all applauded you for being the Batman of your day.
Yes, good times, good times.
("Batshit crazy man", maybe. But other than that...)
Someone asked what the real unemployment looked like...
"More Jobs Melt Away in Dec. by Jeannine Aversa, The Associated Press,
Washington - ...All told, 11.1 million people were unemployed in December. An additional 8 million people were working part-time - a categroty that includes those who would like to work full time but whose hours were cut back or those who were unable to find full-time work. That was up sharply from 7.3 million in November.
If those part-time employees, discouraged workers and others are factored in, the unemployment rate would have been much higher - 13.5% in December. ..."
13.5% unemployment adjusted real rate!
Concerned
Unemployment rate of 13.5% is backed up by real government statistics. The real number is reported to congress and the president but not the public. This is from the governments own data!
See Table A-12 Alternative Measure of Labor Underutilization (percentage)
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t12.htm
Dec 2008 13.5%
U-6 Total unemployed, plus all marginally atached workers, plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percentage of the civilian labor force plus all marginally attached workers.
The real numbers looks very bad!!
Concerned!
EEEK!
Is this assclown (who pays next to NOTHING for his luxury digs in D.C.; and in fact sometimes does pay NOTHING) the WORST money manager in history?
It appears from the filings that Coleman and his family piled up a huge increase in their debt -- rising from a $172,000 first mortgage to a final $775,000 30-year loan registered in 2007.
(bold in original)
Let's review Norm Coleman's finances.
Loan Qualification:
Under normal conditions (that's the last 50 years, less the 8 crazy bush years!) one can only borrow 33% of ones gross income. A USA Senator maked $150,000 to $190,000 per year. The $190K was an increase just put into place about 18 months ago. The $150K captures the value of salaries at the beginning of the bush era. Let's assume an average of $175K per year.
Maximum Mortgage Payment per Year = $175K x 0.33
Max Annual Mortage PMT = $57,750
Monthly Payment = $57,750 /12 = $4812.50
Assume previous interest rate during bush years as 6.375% fixed, 30 years, then the highest present value loan this person can qualify for will be = $771,394.81.
So, Norm Coleman is actually max'd out on his loan amount for his salary range on his house, assuming he has no other debts!
A $771K house is not a big house in DC in close proximity to work!!!
Same age as you, thumbot.
Stupid* my town / city government is run by Baptist Pugs. Are you saying that Baptist Pugs are corrupt?
(You are right, BTW.)
Nope, sorry, Stupid*.
Illinois is 22nd, Alaska is 5th. (Way to GO! Princess Mooseshit!)
Well, D'uh.
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HybridFuel on January 10, 2009 at 10:01 PM
The maxed out loan is on his MN house.
He pays next to nothing for his luxury D.C. digs because they are owned by a lobbyist who also has hired Norm's wife as a do nothing employee.
CREW FILES ETHICS COMPLAINT AGAINST SEN. NORM COLEMAN OVER QUESTIONABLE RENTAL ARRANGEMENT
Sometimes he paid part of his rent with used furniture
He even has lobbyists buying his suits for him, just like Silly Sarah!
The guy is scum. Typical Pug.
As planned I was going to retire at 50. In reality I went on disability at 49, so...close enough to plan.
When did you "plan" to lose your job and have to be hired by your younger brother at his company?
High school when he was always better than you, or before, when he didn't have to have elementary school "tutors" after school so he could go out and play and make friends while you were stuck inside insisting that you were "smart"?
Such is the life you live.
Wolfgangbager
Thanks for responding. You may well be right about the continued carnage in Gaza by the IDF. However, Israel's problem will not be solved. There problem is internalized in Theodore Herzl's ideology that all outside the state are naturally their enemy. Their oppression toward Palestine has been the seedbed for the inroads of groups like the PLO and now Hamas. The Orthodox communities in the USA are opposed to their secular state.
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
We are in an economic train wreck of an economy, and part of this trajectory has been supporting wars in the Middle East/CIA training in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation. All these things for strategic oil interest have come home to roost. This war has the potential - to again - do more of the same. AIPAC - perhaps they have already gotten to Obama. Time will tell....
No moron, it is a list of jailed politicians per capita since 1997.
You have always had a problem with reading simple line charts. Remember when you were constantly reposting the ongoing SoS tables, but ONLY the first 2 lines (which were the 11-4 numbers) and DEMANDING an apology?
I do.
When will YOU apologize to me?
Never. I kinda figured that.
Because you are a pussy.
Hey, Silly*
Coleslaw LOST!
Several times.
Where is MY apology?
Get used to it. SENATOR Al Franken.
Shorenstein Fellow at the Kennedy School of The Press, Politics and Public Policy at Harvard.
And you thought HE was a comedian. The dude is a SCHOLAR for Christ's sake.
Bush takes final flight to see dad honored
White House spokesperson Dana Perino said the president wasn't aware that it was his last scheduled flight on Air Force One until he was told by an interviewer.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/10/bush.ship.commissioning/index.html
The dope will be clueless through his last day in office and beyond.
Wouldn't it be great if Obama didn't let George use AF1 to get back to Texas? I can just see George and Laura flying coach.
Ok, that won't happen, Cheney would fly them back on one of Haliburton's planes. Otherwise there might be another "shoe" incident.
Hey, Chicago. I got what they are saying is 8 inches of snow. WHERE?? The car was cleaned of 4 inches at 8 this morning and by noon there was another 3 inches. We got about 4 more since then.
I think those weather dudes are lying on my tube.
The local yokels tried out their reverse 911 system and called everybody in town to alert us of the impending death and destruction, but I DIDN'T GET A CALL!! All my neighbors did. But ME? Negatory.
They did a blanket call to the entire town and left me off their list.
Bastards!
They must know how I voted.
Just for that I should die and have my heirs sue those lazy Baptists. And I voted for the extra 2 bucks a month on my phone bill FOR "enhanced 911" service.
Screw those Fundie freaks.
Other than that how is it going in your neighborhood?
Gee, Silly* "thinks" it has something to say.
Let's see.
2 State Supreme Court Justices who were appointed by Tim Pawlenty, A PUG.
1 Secretary of State who was elected as a Democrat.
1 Supreme Court Justice appointed by Jesse Ventura, an Independent
1 Judge who ran in a nonpartisan election 23 years ago, so nobody knows the political leanings.
And Silly* is saying "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!"
Eat shit and die, trool.
I'm still waiting for MY apology from YOU.
Asshole.
DPD,
I cleared the walk and drive twice today. I'd say we have about 8" on the ground. But the roads aren't real bad. I've been all around town today and didn't have any trouble. I think we are headed for the deep freeze. Predicted highs are:
Sun. 24
Mon. 27
Tues. 12
Wed. 10
Thur. 3
Some republicans are hoping Coleman loses because he has ALWAYS been an embarrassment to the republican party. The guy is a loser. No wonder more people voted for Franken.
DPD,
Ain't if funny how the republican losers always want to play their games with the ballots, then stop the recounts. From what I have read, I don't think Coleman has much of a chance. That's good for the people of MN. It's better to have a senator who can tell a joke than to have a senator that IS one.
And Franken is from MN. Coleslaw is a carpetbagger from NOO YAWK CITY!
That damn liburrelllll east coaster!
I can't wait to hear Franken blasting the republicans from the floor of the senate. I'm sure they are looking forward to it too... hahahahaha.
With only a longshot court appeal standing in the way of Democrat Al Franken’s election to the Senate, Republicans are gritting their teeth and bracing for the arrival of a new senator whose every utterance will sound like nails on a chalkboard to them.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090110/pl_politico/17233
No wonder all the republicans are whining and crying about Coleman's loss.
Wasn't Coalbrain demending that Franken stop the MANDATORY RECOUNT and concede?
Welly welly. Now that Normie is behing he no longer cares about expediency for the "good of the people".
That scum bag asswipe is just trying to recoup his real estate losses through wheeling and dealing.
HEY, NORMIE.....
GET LOST! YOU LOST. GO BACK TO NYC, YOU PRICK!
Democrats outnumbered Republicans on the recount by 3 to 2.
Sally-* on January 11, 2009 at 12:50 AM
I see the republican dupes have given up on the independents since they are now all siding with the Democrats. Well dupes, what did you expect? When you screw things up as bad as the republicans have, there are consequences. Enjoy the bottom.
And when the republicans try their obstructionist tactics, they will lose more seats in the house and senate.
Remember when all the republicans were spouting the talking point that the approval ratings of the Congress "controlled by the Democrats" were lower than Bush's? They assumed people were mad at the Democrats. Well guess what, the election proved that to be WAY wrong. The idiot republicans LOST big time because Americans were mad at them much more than the Democrats.
So if the republicans continue to filibuster every bill in site, they are going to lose a LOT more seats in 2010.
The number of seats up for election in 2010:
Democrat - 15
Republican - 19
Smile and wave boys, just smile and wave.
Well, I've been waching the wingnuts' favorite movie "Red Dawn" for about an hour.
GOD does it suck!
I'll BBL when all the chickenhawks pee in their snowsuits.
Silly* has it on VCR tape because all the guys are "teen hunky" and Pug to boot.
Doncha?
THIS is what "RED STATE" is all a-twitter about?
WOLVERINES!!!
What a bunch of shit.
BBL. I have GOT to see how Reagan won the Cold War or whatever it is they are selling.
And BTW, why would the Ruskies attack Colorado and not Alaska?
Oh, that's right. Little Sarah was a "shootin" baby and she scared them away with her shrill whiny voice, more than likely.
Yew betcha!
Ain't if funny how the republican losers always want to play their games with the ballots, then stop the recounts.
285Chicago on January 11, 2009 at 12:44 AM
good morning, chicago. hello, everyone.
There needs to be comprehensive election law reform. the eac is still in it's infant stage, and I doubt HAVA will be the vehicle that they use. states will probably look at it on a case by case matter. I know that our office here in OH, will be working with the new state legislature (democratic controlled for the first time in 14 years) on initiatives that will be consistent and straight forward. Our SOS has held the first of many election summits, that included election officials from both sides of the aisle, to legislators, general public, activists, and those in academics.
both sides boo hoo and point fingers when their candidate doesn't win.
“You are like babies who need milk and cannot eat solid food. For someone who lives on milk is still an infant and doesn’t know how to do what is right. Solid food is for those who are mature, who through training have the skill to recognize the difference between right and wrong” - Hebrews 5:12-14
time to start my slacker Sunday.
enjoy the day, manifest good, everyone.
Morning all good Dems,
bush takes the arrogant, dumbass, ex-drunk dumbass award of all time. He was too stupid and arrogant and got us into the first Great Republican Depression of this century. Hopefully the dumbass voters will wake up and we will not have another. They are too painful to too many people and the neocons don't give a shit.
Franken is temporarily ahead because the Democrats and Democrat "acorn" Sec of State cheated in the recount. That is in addition to the cheating the Dems did in the election itself. The courts will sort it out though.
281Sally-* on January 11, 2009 at 12:28 AM
ahahahahahahahahahaha..........
THIS, just before he will finally concede he was merely "taunting' us, not making actual predictions when Franken heads to DC!!! I don't think I have seen such a stupid man in my life ! You are a joke, Stevie, and you don't even realize it.
"January 10, 2009 "Salon" -- -World concern over, and opposition to, the Israeli war in Gaza is rapidly mounting:
International pressure intensified sharply on Israel on Thursday, the 13th day of its Gaza assault, after the United Nations suspended food aid deliveries, the International Committee of the Red Cross accused the Israelis of knowingly blocking assistance to the injured, and a top Vatican official defended comments in which he compared Gaza to a concentration camp.
The Israelis have deliberately made it impossible to know the full extent of the carnage and humanitarian disasters because they continue to prevent journalists from entering Gaza even in the face of a now week-old Israeli Supreme Court order compelling them to do so. According to Palestinian sources, there are now 700 dead Palestinians -- at least 200 of them children -- and well over 1,000 wounded. Those numbers are not seriously doubted by anyone. By comparison, a total of 10 Israelis have died -- 10 -- almost all of them by "friendly fire." The unusually worded Red Cross condemnation of Israel was prompted by its discovery, after finally being allowed into Gaza, of starving Palestinian children laying next to corpses, with ambulances blocked for days by the IDF. Even with the relative "restraint" Israel is excercising (the damage it could cause is obviously much greater), this is not so much of a war as it is a completely one-sided massacre.
As a result, much of the world is urging an end to the war and acting to forge a cease-fire -- except the United States. Here, blind and unequivocal support for the Israeli attack is actually increasing almost as fast as the Palestinian body count piles up. Apparently, it isn't enough that we supply the very bombs being dropped on the Palestinians and use our U.N. veto power to prevent any U.N. action to stop the war or even to urge its cessation. The U.S. Congress wants to involve the U.S. further still in Israel's war.
This afternoon, the Democratic-led U.S. Senate did just that by enacting -- via a cowardly voice vote -- a completely one-sided, non-binding resolution that expresses unequivocal support for the Israeli war, and heaps all the blame for the conflict on Hamas and none of it on Israel. Harry Reid -- who jointly sponsored the Resolution with GOP Leader Mitch McConnell -- proudly proclaimed: "When we pass this resolution, the United States Senate will strengthen our historic bond with the state of Israel." On its website, AIPAC is already patting the U.S. Senate on its head for "for conveying America's unequivocal and steadfast support for Israel's right to self-defense
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21705.htm
I don't get it! The US stands back, watches for years as Israel bulldozes and builds cement walls, and occupies terrority that belongs to Palestine, yet, when Palestine try and defends itself against this occupation, sends even more weapons to Israel to demolish the country being wronged! What are they missing? The entire world condems Israel except for the USA! What is in it for them?
Rumor is, that Israel is hurrying to get this done while Bush is still in office. I pray they are right, that President Obama will take a different approach to what has been going on there for years! If Israel stayed where they were supposed to, there would never have been any aggression or suicide bombers or rockets used against them! There could have been such a thing as PEACE there.
good view of it all:
It took Fintan O'Toole, The Irish Times's resident philosopher-in-chief, to speak the unspeakable. "When does the mandate of victimhood expire?" he asked. "At what point does the Nazi genocide of Europe's Jews cease to excuse the state of Israel from the demands of international law and of common humanity?"
I ended the week in one of those BBC World Service discussions in which a guy from The Jerusalem Post, a man from al-Jazeera, a British academic and Fisk danced the usual steps around the catastrophe in Gaza. The moment I mentioned that 600 Palestinian dead for 20 Israeli dead around Gaza in 10 years was grotesque, pro-Israeli listeners condemned me for suggesting (which I did not) that only 20 Israelis had been killed in all of Israel in 10 years. Of course, hundreds of Israelis outside Gaza have died in that time – but so have thousands of Palestinians
are you aware that Israel declined Hamas' request to return to a Ceasefire in December?
Does anyone ever question WHY does Hamas/Palestine continue to fire missiles, etc into Israel?
Israel Rejected Hamas Ceasefire Offer in December
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21706.htm
I do not believe any of this has to do with Iran. Iran is merely being made a scapegoat, so that if/when Israel decides to nuke the hell out of them, they will be made to feel justified!
PLEASE, President Obama, get in there and get these two sides to the table , along with unbiased parties, to compromise, negotiate, use diplomacy in getting to Peace !
back later, Dems.....
breakfast time.
Israel is the prime example of what happens when right wingnut religious extremists take over a country.
Jews of conscience are being denigrated and disrespected as "self-hating" and the suffering and deaths of those outside of the Zionist clique are of no consequence, unless they are fellow Jews, in which case they are useful for propaganda purposes.
These Zionist extremists learned a lot from the Nazis.
Israel's response is out of proportion to the amount of damage done by the Palestinian rockets.
Most Palestinians only want fair treatment, but the jack-booted responses of the Zionists who are in control of the Israeli government fuel hatred of the Jews, and provide more recruits for Hamas.
Just like our stupidity in Iraq is fueling recruitment for Al Qaida.
DUH!!!
Good afternoon, all.
This is a masquerade ball, right? We all get to dress up like Palin, Joe the Plummer, or Bill Ayers? I could go as the crazy old lady who said Obama was a terrier?
Obama to honor McCain on inauguration eve
WASHINGTON (AP) — President-elect Barack Obama is planning to honor one-time rival John McCain at a dinner on the eve of his inauguration.
Obama's inaugural committee said Saturday it has planned three dinners across Washington to honor leaders who worked across party lines. Republican McCain, Democratic Vice President-elect Joe Biden and former Secretary of State Colin Powell, also a Republican, are set to be honored Jan. 19...
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j2nVVwWYBncZ7CykNFAJNDMkwOXAD95KCVBO0
Why stops with McCain? Why not have a dinner for all the Republicans who decided not to run for re-election. Hold a dinner for Brit Hume and George Will for saying that FDR caused the Great Depression? A dinner for sally* and Gangbanger?
They all have reached across the aisle to demonstrate to voters how irresponsible, incompetent, and silly Republicans can be.
I see that Evil has taken to quoting from the Good Book. The prophets all warned that the devil would operation in this way. Gearing up for Judgment Day now that the Antichrist has been vanquished?
Pirates use American gun shows. Iran and Pakistan use the American war profiteering machine designed by Cheney's Halliburton...
Iran Using Fronts to Get Bomb Parts From U.S.
By Joby Warrick
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, January 11, 2009
The Iranian businessman was looking for high-quality American electronics, but he had to act stealthily: The special parts he coveted were denied to Iranians, especially those seeking to make roadside bombs to kill U.S. troops in Iraq.
With a few e-mails, the problem was solved. A friendly Malaysian importer would buy the parts from a company in Linden, N.J., and forward them to Iran. All that was left was coming up with a fake name for the invoice. Perhaps a Malaysian engineering school? "Of course, you can use any other company as end-user that you think is better than this," the Iranian businessman, Ahmad Rahzad, wrote in an e-mail dated March 8, 2007.
The ruse succeeded in delivering nine sensors called inclinometers to Iran, the first of several such shipments that year and the latest example of what U.S. officials and weapons experts describe as Iran's skillful flouting of export laws intended to stop lethal technology from reaching the Islamic republic...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/10/AR2009011002236.html?hpid=topnews
No wonder Bush wouldn't allow Israel to bomb Iran. It would have cut into Cheney's bottom line.
Joe the Plummer displaying again why he deserves a Thank You dinner...
Joe the Plumber: Media Shouldn't Report on War
Samuel Wurzelbacher, also known as 'Joe the Plumber,' is in Israel working as a rookie war correspondent, where he said Sunday that he believes journalists should be abolished from reporting from war zones. (Jan. 11)
http://video.aol.com/video/joe-plumber-media-shouldnt-report-war/2384873
Nothing like trying to put yourself out of work? I guess he can fall back on his singing career? Just how silly can these Limbaugh conservatives get.
Come now, Wolfgang.
The pirates don't really have to go to the gun shows. They buy their wares through gangbanger opportunists who re-sell such "hunting equipment" as shoulder-mounted missiles through internet import/export concerns...at an exorbitant markup.
But I wouldn't actually be surprised if guys like Joe the Plumber don't do it right at the gun shows...behind the Port-A-Potties thinking that the foreign-looking guy is a CIA agent...because the guy told him so. Wink, wink.
Conservative "business men" are as much of the problem as the terris when it comes to all these conflicts around the world. Somebody besides the CIA has been distributing all these American-made arms among the local thugs. Greed has no international borders.
WolfgangBanger on January 11, 2009 at 02:41 PM
But you have no problem with the Vice Commander-in-Chief sitting down over a bottle of Scotch with Chalabi telling him all about our troop movements before the invasion...which he then swiftly passed along to Iran?
Why is it the media's fault for being on the ground with our troops when the guys at the top can't keep their lips zipped? I'd say that those who relay info directly to other governments through their "friends" are the real traitors.
Kissinger sure didn't have any problem working behind Johnson or Carter's back with foreign interests.
Always blame others lower down the ranks to distract attention from your own war crimes...Republican Patriotism 101.
I see that Evil has taken to quoting from the Good Book. The prophets all warned that the devil would operation in this way. Gearing up for Judgment Day now that the Antichrist has been vanquished?
354SandyH on January 11, 2009 at 01:48 PM
hiya, sandy. I can't wait until evilbuttwipe gets to the love they neighbor as thyself part. He should try reading the passages in context. (and if he read with an open heart, he could plainly see that Paul had no respect for women)
he wishes to "silence" me so that the good news won't be heard from a woman's point of view.
Psalm 118:5-6
In my anguish I cried to the Lord, and he answered by setting me free. The Lord is with me; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?
Seven signs of the Apocalypse is on the History Channel. time to watch some tv then go visit my dad and grandbabies.
enjoy the day, everyone.
Genesis 3:16 (New International Version)
16 To the woman he said,
"I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
with pain you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you."
I gave birth to both my daughters naturally. no pain killers, nothing. I lived through it rather well. and yes, I sure did desire my husband, that's why I got in that state to begin with. hahaha did he rule over me? when I wanted another baby, I told him if he didn't want another, he would have to do something about it. he sure did, necee was all work. hahaha
you couldn't even handle a 5 day menstral cycle, but you bitch and moan like you are experiencing the effects.
Sandy, you are confusing us...
You know exactly what I'm talking about. Third-party sales are the way greedy people work the system...unless they are in politics. Then they just deregulate everything or use no-bid contracts.
You're confusion is as phony as your Party. Continue playing silly games here if you must. We know you can't play the majority of voters any longer.
The_Evil_Dr*Burd on January 11, 2009 at 02:57 PM
When are you going to stop doing it with minorities, gays, and women?
The_Evil_Dr*Burd on January 11, 2009 at 03:24 PM
I really don't think you want us all to get into a discussion about your Manhood.
and I'm very happy being a woman. men rule over me! yeah, right.
enough time wasted on you. slacker sunday is slipping away.
Hi, Essie.
They just can't stand it when you post Bible verse here. It makes them feel a tab bit uncomfortable?
Actually, it might be the best way to minister to these poor wretches...trick them into reading the Bible for a change?
The_Evil_Dr*Burd on January 11, 2009 at 03:12 PM
Why are you so envious of the joy Essie has found in life? You have the prayers of both of us for your salvation. I know she will never tire of trying to save your worthless soul.
My main concern these days is for Spunky. He has some really bad karma hanging over him. If he doesn't repent and humble himself before those he has made to suffer, the Lord will have to act. I don't want anyone to miss out on their redemption.
You need to quit worrying about the unborn and be Born Again yourself. Calling yourself Evil is a cry for help.
trick them into reading the Bible for a change?
379SandyH on January 11, 2009 at 03:28 PM
no tricks here. ;)
I'm merely spreading the good news. the trools squirm, their venom spews, they call names and think they hurt with their words. they can't control me or you. many here seem to want to hear what you have to say, or else they wouldn't be stating their opinion is of more use than yours.
love ya, gal. keep it up. now, I'm gonzo.
Taunting the Lord with your unrepentent sins is not a good way to find your true redemption... but it might get you out of legal trouble?
Bush: I Personally Authorized Torture Of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed»
In an interview with Brit Hume that aired today on Fox News Sunday, President Bush admitted that he personally authorized the torture of 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. He said he personally asked “what tools” were available to use on him, and sought legal approval for waterboarding him:
BUSH: One such person who gave us information was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. … And I’m in the Oval Office and I am told that we have captured Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and the professionals believe he has information necessary to secure the country. So I ask what tools are available for us to find information from him and they gave me a list of tools, and I said are these tools deemed to be legal? And so we got legal opinions before any decision was made.
Watch it:
Bush staunchly defended the program, saying it saved American lives — despite interrogators’ claims to the contrary. He waved away the debate over torture by saying dismissively, “Look, I understand why people can get carried away on this issue.”
Last year, Bush admitted that he was “aware” that his national security team met to discuss KSM’s interrogation, and that he approved of the meeting. His admission today suggests Bush had a far more direct role in developing the specific torture program, which included waterboarding, a freezing cell, and long periods of standing and stress positions (all of which have long been considered torture).
What’s more, a former Pentagon intelligence analyst told Vanity Fair that “K.S.M. produced no actionable intelligence“; another former CIA official, who read all the reports from KSM’s interrogation, said, “90 percent of it was total f*cking bullsh*t.”...
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/11/bush-authorized-torture/
It appears the RNC's legal staff have told Bush and Cheney the best way to avoid being nabbed as war criminals in the future is to admit what they did before leaving office...and then say they thought they were doing the right thing as in the the Bush Doctrine?
Whether it's torture or WMD lies, this argument is not going to cut it with St. Peter. It won't cut it with the Iraqi people either.
For Butte/Wolfgangbanger
Thanks for engaging the topic of the war in Gaza.
At what point do we stop weighing the holocaust as a type of political capital that Israel spends for its military goals? This is a good question.
At the start, I think, we cannot leave out the history prior to the holocaust, and the great debate in the Jewish community in 1933. The Revisionist movement (Rabbi Weiss, NY) wanted to keep up the world embargo against Nazi Germany. The Mapai movement (David Ben-Gurion) wanted to transfer bank assets (for those with money) to the Reich, in exchange for safe passage to Palestine, plus other capital assets - breaking the embargo, opening trade through Palestine. The Mapai movement superseded the Revisionists. This history is worth reading. This explains today - why not all Jewish people support the 1948 state of Israel. Those left behind in the holocaust - and surviving - who came to the US - have bitter memories of their Mapai brothers and sisters. This explains groups such as the Orthodox - in Brooklyn, NY. Visit: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
The question worth revisiting is whether the embargo would have caused civil war to break out in Germany - due to the shortage of food. The Revisionists (Weiss) had Hitler's back to the wall, economically.
The problem with the Mapai movement is that its hard to tell where the line is between their use of Herzl's theory that antisemitism was good insofar as it would drive the Jews out of Europe and into Palestine/ and Hitler's own antisemitism. According to Edwin Black, Hitler loved their ideas - "You want to leave, great I want you out of here...."
I have spent time listening to Christian Religious leaders of Palestine (both Catholic and Lutheran). As I hear of early violence (1948-49) when armed Israelis slaughtered the village of Gish, and buried them in a shallow grave. It appears that the leadership of Israel was behaving like the leadership they dealt with back in Germany.
Which is peculiar - your handle reminds me of the famous German writer Johann Wolfgang Goethe, the writer of the famous play entitled Faust. The point of the story is you cannot bargain with the devil without becoming just like the devil. In this regard - Butte - seems to be tracking with the present reality.
A lot of Islamaphobia has been planted here (as it was during 9/11). Keep in mind that your media is largely owned and influenced by AIPAC - The American Israeli Political Action Committee. We've already armed Israel to the hilt. But this too - goes in step historically with strategic OIL interests in the Middle East ( as was the war in Iraq)...remove the oil dependency and this entire paradigm shifts.
I think we begin to rethink the relationship - once we understand the context more fully.
Shalom
Butte, if you were the leader of Israel and your country had been subjected to indiscriminate rocket fire for 8 years and your citizens were being blown to bits by suicide bombers on streets, in cafes and hotel lobbies and on public buses, etc. - what would you do?
344WolfgangBanger on January 11, 2009 at 11:49 AM
well, if that all really bothered me, as a leader of Israel, then I would get my ass off land that I had bulldozed and stolen ! I would quit then putting up cement walls to keep the people who owned that land from crossing back and demanding it back. I would stop my occupation of country that did not belong to me! But I rather think the leaders of Israel find the loss of Israeli lives as collateral damage in their larger goal of taking more and more of Gaza, and eventually all of Palestine, because they can say they were victims and had a right to!
and to this:
To the woman he said,
"I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
with pain you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you."
365The_Evil_Dr*Burd on January 11, 2009 at 02:53 PM
this is obviously WHY God chose not to give you any children !
They cannot govern themselves properly nor do other Arab nations recognize their leadership as legitimate. They elect terrorists as leaders, harass Israel ceaselessly and instead of building up their society, they continue to waste their energy with destructive behavior
uhhhh, Wolfie, do you have ANY idea why Hamas was elected as their leader??? does the name, George Bush and his neo con administration mean anything to you? They had this little idea that backfired, you know. In order to get rid of Fatah, headed by Arafat, they tried promoting the rise of Islamic parties as a counterweight, on the theory that Islamic groups would not have the same nationalistic impulses
So Fatah's social networks were dismantled by the Israeli government, but it went easy on Islamic charitable networks. This decision fueled the rise of Hamas as a political force, with its network of health clinics and social services that far exceeded the abilities of the often-corrupt Fatah movement.
"There's no question there was a degree of blowback," Aaron David Miller, a former Middle East negotiator and the author of "The Much Too Promised Land."
Israel now wants to make a peace deal with Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian Authority president who heads Fatah but has no control over Gaza. So one of the Israeli aims in Gaza today is to weaken Hamas enough that it no longer can be a political rival to Fatah in Gaza -- precisely the opposite of what Israel hoped to achieve decades ago with its efforts to encourage the rise of Islamic groups.
This is not like a regime-change operation, but at the end of the day, the restoration of the Palestinian Authority back to Gaza should be on the agenda as a whole," said Jeremy Issacharoff, deputy chief of mission at the Israeli Embassy in Washington.
Similarly, the Bush administration encouraged Israel to withdraw from Gaza and demolish its settlements there, arguing that it was a step forward on peace. But, as a condition, then-Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in 2004 demanded a letter from President Bush in which the United States conceded two critical peace issues on settlements and refugees to Israel. The Israeli government later cited the letter as giving implicit permission to continue some settlement expansion during peace talks brokered late in the Bush administration, undermining those efforts.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/06/AR2009010602868.html
Sometime, check out AIPAC and how much money exchanges hands with American politicians in order to turn the other cheek !
Not sure if anyone watched the CNN special just on, "I Owe USA, but it was a very, very enlightening show on the USA deficit, including the trade one. It went back to the very beginning of Presidencies, and the debt and how, Clinton for the first time in generations ended up with a Surplus, and how George W. Bush has DOUBLED the debt and deficit ! And what terrible terrible shape we are in.
Every troll here, should get on their hands and knees every night, and PRAY that Obama is able to get us out of this mess. they should be willing to put politics aside and work with this administration to get this country out of this mess, if they truly love this country, and want it better for their children and grandchildren!!
Fromm on January 11, 2009 at 04:00 PM
Fromm,
You can't make peace by continually making war. That goes for both sides in this conflict.
I think it's time for the younger generation to step up in that region. The older generation is wrapped up in a vicious cycle of violence worrying about past defeats as well as future horrors.
Neither side can expect outsiders like the U.S. or Europe to change the attitudes of their neighbors. Brute force has just hardened opinions on both sides and increased the suffering for all...time and time again. the United States must only act as a catalyst to peace negotiations.
I still believe Syria is the key to a lasting peace. It has been fighting a proxy war through its neighbors for decades now. Israel must end the Six Days War with Syria and negotiate a return of the Golan Heights like it did with Egypt and the Sinai Peninsula.
All the weapons and aid from other Moslem nations sympathetic to the Palestinian plight are coming to Hamas and Hezbalah through Syria.
The younger President Bashar al- Assad of Syria could stop the cycle of madness by turning off the spigot. He could make conditions better for new leaders to emerge in both Israel and Palestine who could negotiate in good faith.
With an end to constant hostilities, pragmatic men could come to power eager for a lasting two state solution...with the support of the majority of their people who are tired of the constant suffering and unease. This conflict must not cannot become a nuclear standoff, but it is heading that way if Israel doesn't finally end the war with Syria started in 1967.
The end of hostilities is not the ultimate goal here. The Middle East needs to be looking for a return to normal relations between neighbors. Israel will not be broken. Palestine must become an equal state.
imho, it's time for a new generation and a new approach to find peace in the Middle East. The old men have botched this one up real good.
They just can't stand it when you post Bible verse here. It makes them feel a tab bit uncomfortable?
379SandyH on January 11, 2009 at 03:28 PM
Actually, Sandy, it makes one shake their head, watching these guys post Bible verse, as though they had any idea what these passages mean. They pretend to be so Christian, and the next post is a filthy, vile, racist, homophobic attack on someone here. They truly think God is not paying attention.
And as the leader of Israel, just how much of their land would you be willing to "give back"? 1/10, 1/4, 1/2 or 100%. Then what? Would you then lead your people out of the promised land and lead them to...? I don't suppose you would would stand much of a chance come re-election time
I think Israel and most of the world was happy when the UN gave them land back in '47. any land outside of what was designated as their's, or any that they may have gotten legitimately, is their's! No questions. No arguements. Period. I would lead the people who I allowed to be part of this occupation and settling on land not belonging to them, BACK to the original country, called Israel.
Much like what the US has done to Iraq, forcing Shias out of their homes and even out of the country! And this ----for what they call Democracy???
WolfgangBanger on January 11, 2009 at 04:13 PM
Pirates have been running amuck all over the globe for the past five of six year holding major nations over a barrel...not just the one's operating off the coast of Sommolia.
Somebody is supplying the firepower and making a nice profit off of it. Others are paying these thugs millions in ransom money. It's a lucrative business during a world-wide recession.
The guns always come from the least secure places and the most unthinking people who don't think twice about where their wares end up. American gun shows and the importers who buy up these arms and send them to third-world nations are some of the most insecure places on this planet.
Where there is greed there are always players and a lot of them are in high places in this country.
I bet gun running and the distribution of other military supplies and technology is the few industries still functioning in this country today...by design of conservative "businessmen" who are the greediest by far. Privatization of our military was the last step in legalizing what is nothing more than dealing with pirates.
You aren't confused and know exactly what's going on in the world. Propagandists are usually right in the thick of any political corruption. I really don't know why you bother to come here other than you're scared you're going to be laid off soon, too, and need to keep up your skills.
PamB on January 11, 2009 at 05:35 PM
Hi, Pam.
You really wonder about the mental capacity of some of these doorknobs. Did you see the latest Joe the Plumber video on U Tube? Now there's a prime example of how bad things have gotten over on the Far Right. The more they talk, the dumber the Republicans look.
We are all Joe the Plumber? Thank the Lord, no.
they should be willing to put politics aside and work with this administration to get this country out of this mess, if they truly love this country, and want it better for their children and grandchildren!!
PamB on January 11, 2009 at 05:21 PM
Are you talking about the Party of Lee Atwater and Karl Rove? Won't happen. That Republican Party's goal is world domination and complete control of this nation and all the world's resources...of their profit.
No wonder pirates are on the rise again. They are just following the example Bush gave them.
WolfgangBanger on January 11, 2009 at 05:56 PM
Not when Clinton was President. They were all working in new start up companies even in Africa and everyone felt they had an equal opportunity to cash in on the Internet Revolution. Spunky stopped that right in his tracks.
Hi Sandy, I saw the Joe the Plumber video advertised, but I can't be bothered giving credibility to such an ignornant fool, merely relishing his 5 minutes in the spotlight. If he had any idea how stupid he appears, he would stay inside and keep his yap shut.
I guess there will be that segment of the population in the Right, who will be PRAYING that Obama and the Democrats fail to dig us out of this mess, so that in 4 years, someone like Sarah Palin can waltz in and fix it for us!!!! bwhahahahahahahahahahahaha.
bbl, the spaghetti sauce is done !
PamB on January 11, 2009 at 05:21 PM
Pam,
I saw that CNN special yesterday. Isn't it interesting how the economic goal in this country always used to be creating Capital within our own shores? Alexander Hamilton was adamant that we never become dependent on foreign interests or credit.
Look where we are today with the wonders of the Reagan Revolution working its magic...a banana republic with no liquidity or savings. Nice work, Dutch.
I have to get to chopping up veggies for my stir fry. I want to be ready for dinner when the football game is over. "24" returns tonight. Jack Bauer can now talk to somebody sane when he calls White House this season.
Catch you all tomorrow.
Good night, all.
The old Sally is the new wolf. You can tell by it's name that shows serious issues towards women. Yes, the poster who went by the name of Sally, and accused me of beign gay and other things, is back. The same troll who makes vicious attacks on Dem women, and them is clobbered by them, and then says I'm a "self-hating fag," is back. What was the upgrade wait for? More of the same?
If this wasn't bad enough to deal with, the board is not showing posters correctly. What the heck... do we need to do a SPECIAL fundraiser just to get a decent message board, without nasty trolls attacking our senior citizen woman with aweful names? Is that asking too much?
Of all the good things Gov Dean did... running a safe bb for party members, free of repeat sicko attackers, was not one of them. I sure hope that Chairman Kaine, and the party, will address the issue, and deal with it once and for all.
(For the record, this is the first time that I have ever said anything that was not in total praise of Gov Dean. And you must admit, I given the Dem Party Blog Team plenty of time to get the act together.) Do I need to list all the simple ways it is to see that vicious sickos can't post?
OBAMANOS!
WolfgangBanger on January 11, 2009 at 06:17 PM
And why do you think there have been so many civil wars in Africa? Cheap guns from foreign suppliers and oil/mining speculation by multinationals (and fundamentalist Christian preachers) have destabilized a third of that continent. Your sudden concern for the suffering caused by your imperialist ideology is duly noted and not believed for one minute.
How about you’re joining Evil in some missionary work in Africa since you’re probably facing unemployment.
For SANDYH
Right - the younger generations in Israel/Palestine need to break away from the present hatred held by current leaders. And we - the American public - need to think democratically about getting beyond our media monopoly. That's what is great about these conversations. We can think - something not encouraged by the white House in this nation the past eight years.
Elias Chacour, Palestine, founded a school that had Christian, Jewish, and Islamic children learning side by side. I wonder if his area is still in one piece.
Wolfgangbanger - The problem isn't with Israel of the ancient time - the problem is you can't return to that time through the means that the Mapai movement of Zionism - which is violent. We can't look at this through the lens of black hats and white hats with a western bias and grasp the context. Then, we are perpetuating the old conflict.
One cannot cite the parts of the Torah that are convenient for drawing the ancient map of Israel, without also citing the parts of it that recall the covenant which calls for treating one's neighbor justly. This is the entire point made by the prophets: In order to be a nation, you must treat those in need justly. Because Israel could not do this in ancient times, Assyria conquered the northern kingdom in 721 BCE, and Judah - the southern empire fell to the Babylonians in 587 BCE.
Exodus 2:21 - Moses marries Zipporah - she is an Arab by today's standards. So, here is the greatest prophet of Israel - Moses - married to an Arab. We need to reclaim these stories instead of feeding off of the fear that been implanted in our culture by the GOP's exploitation of 9/11.
Or we can turn to Ruth ad Naomi - a Jewish woman and an Arab woman becoming the best of friends.
Those who work for peace in this context need our support.
. Who have openly stated their intentions to destroy the utterly and completely. How would you deal with them and their actions? Even more retreat? To where then?
400WolfgangBanger on January 11, 2009 at 06:07 PM
Does anyone REALLY believe, that there is any country , middle east or not, that would DARE to follow through on destroying Israel? (One would again have to wonder WHY would any country wish for the termination of Israel, but then we are back to square one.) There is not a country out there, mouthing off or not, that could or would try and destroy Israel. You have guys in iran, Syria, etc, who are much like George W. Bush, swaggering, acting like bullies, who when push comes to shove, would know better even if they got the chance.
goodnight Dems. Only 9 days, and the Inaugration will take place, and we can start to take this country back!! I can't wait ! I don't think I have stopped smiling since November 4th, 11:00PM, when Obama was called as the winner ! :)
blog ya tomorrow..............
fux news is getting pretty weird. last night ann coltface was on and heraldo was smacking her about a bit and she was lapping it up like a demented and rabid raccoon...i really think she is a meth head and is grinding away at her teeth while she tries to figure out how irrelevancy came to her her so fast...i mean if only she had gotten to perfect the jewish people....then there is billy o who seems truly boggled by franken's win of the senate seat. such angst on the right...hahahahahah
nice job dummie:
Economy made few gains in Bush years
Eight-year period is weakest in decades
By Neil Irwin and Dan Eggen
updated 12:20 a.m. ET, Mon., Jan. 12, 2009
President Bush has presided over the weakest eight-year span for the U.S. economy in decades, according to an analysis of key data, and economists across the ideological spectrum increasingly view his two terms as a time of little progress on the nation's thorniest fiscal challenges.
The number of jobs in the nation increased by about 2 percent during Bush's tenure, the most tepid growth over any eight-year span since data collection began seven decades ago. Gross domestic product, a broad measure of economic output, grew at the slowest pace for a period of that length since the Truman administration. And Americans' incomes grew more slowly than in any presidency since the 1960s, other than that of Bush's father.
the long national nightmare will soon be over followed by the long national clean up:
http://www.236.com/video/2009/watch_236_ultimate_george_bush_11062.php
Morning gregg,
The neocons owe us for our bankrupt 401k accounts and we will get it out of them one way or another.
They and their rich buddies are living high on the hog while we Americans live like peasants.
They should be standing in the unemployment line begging for their next meal. Oh, I forgot, unemployment has run out by now.
well johne here is an event to which everyone should bring all their old shoes...
"WASHINGTON - President Bush will hold a news conference at 9:15 a.m. ET on Monday, the White House said.
Bush will make a brief opening statement, commenting on the important role the White House press corps has in covering presidents and the White House, and then will take questions, spokeswoman Dana Perino said.
The president is looking forward to discussing the important events of the last eight years as well as issues in the news today, Perino added..."
i wonder if this perino idiot will be able to land a job with the circus when this administration fades into the ether...
The trolls must get their daily ration of bullshit about global warming from rash blimpbaugh. Any idiot can see that global warming is alive and well. I have used a lot fewer bags of wood pellets this year than in the past. We have had no snowfall of any merit and the temperatures were not as low this year in December. We are having a very mild January.
The extremes of cold weather in certain regions are the result of weather and have nothing to do with global warming. Weather extremes are a sure sign of global warming.
Put that in your crack pipe and smoke it.
greg,
chimp apparently landed aboard an aircraft carrier the other day. He was commissioning a new carrier name after his dolt father. The carrier was probably built in China.
This really pisses me off. Don't we have enough carriers already? We have already named one ship after raygun the actor president. NOw we have named another.
If things keep going this way they will name a caarrier after chimp 43. I heard that they are going to name a tugboat after cheney.
Asshole scalia is holding some kind of meeting on the 16th of January to address the lawsuit of some asshole who claims he has proof that Obama is not a citizen. The suit says that we have to defend the Constitution which is all and good but why didn't scalia and the rest of the supreme court defend the Constitution when bush and cheney shredded it. bush and cheney must be charged with war crimes, found guilty and hanged.
If scalia pulls another 2000 fiasco then there will be violence in the streets.
I did hear some good news last night that Obama is appointing a team to investigate the crimes of the bush crime family. This is indeed good news.
Morning Gregg.........
I just start my day off with such a chuckle, watching the troll squirm in MN, trying to find these far fetched articles about Global Warmiong.
Could this be the same Gregory Fegel that he is quoting and swearing is credible, that has dozens of internet articles, on Impeaching Bush, sending McCain back to Vietnam and paying them to re-prison them? The Fegel who has this article de-bunking 9/11 as a Bush scheme and talking about Israel and it's crimes?
"The attacks on the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on 9/11/2001; the anthrax letter attacks against two US Congressmen in October, 2001; the Spanish railway bombings in March, 2004; the London subway bombings in July, 2005; and the Bali bombings of October, 2002 and October, 2005 all show evidence of having been perpetrated by the USA and its allies, who are intent on generating animosity against the Islamic world.
The US government's 9/11 false-flag attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon involved a coordinated effort by the CIA, the White House, the NSA, the FBI, NORAD, the Pentagon, and other federal agencies, along with the ongoing complicity of the USA's major media outlets. The Israeli Mossad was also a likely accomplice to the 9/11 attacks, as indicated by evidence that demonstrates Israeli foreknowledge of those attacks. Since 9/11, the USA's intelligence agencies have been further integrated under the overall leadership of the CIA, another step toward the formation of a monolithic US secret police with a global reach. Recently the arrest and 'rendition' by the CIA of so-called 'Terrorist suspects' throughout the world to undisclosed locations, often against the protests of the nations where the arrests take place, show us that not only does the USA fancy itself to be the 'world's policeman,' but the CIA also wants to be the 'world's secret police.'
http://cyberjournal.org/show_archives/?id=1157&lists=newslog
Well, guess we have convinced Sally that the world is NOT flat, that Adam and Eve did NOT ride on the dinosaurs and evolution is a fact, and that the only people who De-Bunk Global Warming anymore, are some moonbats who see this administration for the criminals they are !
A really good article on what is happening in Gaza......
"If the goal were truly to end the Qassam rocket attacks, Israel could have done so, at any time, simply by sitting down and negotiating with Hamas. Such is the view of Neve Gordon, chair of political science at Ben Gurion University. Professor Gordon has been following the Gaza situation for years from Beersheba, located just down the road, and he even authored a book upon the subject. His analysis is undoubtedly correct. But evidently this is too simple for Israel’s leaders, who deem Hamas an unsuitable negotiating partner.
In fact, Israel’s military operation in Gaza probably has as much to do with political expedience as halting the Qassams. Israel’s leaders have resorted to violence in the past for temporary political gain: to boost their standing with voters; and the present Gaza offensive appears to be another case. It was in the planning for months and probably became inevitable after far-right Likud candidate Benjamin Netanyahu moved ahead in the polls. With Prime Minister Olmert’s Kadima party facing a tough uphill fight in the upcoming February 2009 elections, Olmert no doubt hoped to recoup Kadima’s chances by showing toughness. It is telling that Israeli voters will choose between the right and the far-right, another inconvenient truth ignored by the western press, which sees only Arab extremism.
For the record, I do not support the firing of Qassam rockets by Hamas into Israel. It is wrong. But on a scale of violence it is a mere pin-prick compared with the wholesale terror being unleashed against the Palestinians, who are almost defenseless. A comparison of the casualty figures shows that 99% of the violence is being directed at the Palestinians; and the numbers do not lie. Unfortunately, due to the media filter their significance has been lost. The US media always portrays Israel in the best possible light and the Palestinians in the worst. It is a formula that distorts real events beyond recognition. As a result, most Americans do not understand what is happening.
The Critical US Role
Indeed, it is remarkable that even though the US Senate just voted unanimous support for Israel many Americans probably still think the United States is not directly involved in the Gaza violence. Nothing could be further from the truth. The US is deeply involved.
Regarding Perino, I just shake my head when the dizzy blonde comes on with the lies she is told to repeat from the Administration! How anyone can be a Republican just boggles the mind, but when they are a Female or a Gay or a Minority-------------I wonder how they got through life with those blinders on !
Good morning
Bush's legacy is cemented as the worse ever - stupid Chimp!
Category: Job Creation. Bush: Worst. President. Ever. Hotlist
by Meteor Blades
Sun Jan 11, 2009 at 02:00:05 PM PST
As everyone who follows the news knows by now, unemployment was up again sharply in December. Totally expected, of course, and, as nearly every economist is saying, very alarming. For instance:
"These numbers, back to back, of more than a half million a month suggest that the U.S. economy is in a freefall," said Nariman Behravesh, chief economist at IHS Global Insight. "It’s scary, and it indicates that unless something is done and done quickly to turn this economy around, we’re looking at an awful situation this year." ...
"This is unprecedented," said Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody’s Economy.com. "It’s coast to coast. It’s everywhere. There’s really no refuge in this job market. There’s no safe place."
Not so. Just over a week from now, George Walker Bush will be unemployed, and I suspect his bank account will provide a refuge. Thanks to the Supreme Court, Bush managed to get one of the slightly less than 3 million (net) jobs created during his eight years in office. That's 375,000 jobs a year, the most pitiful record since 1939 when the Bureau of Labor Statistics started collecting the numbers.
Not just the worst record ever, mind you. But far worse. During Dwight Eisenhower's two terms, only 438,000 jobs were generated annually. But the population was half what it is now. During Bill Clinton's two terms, 2.9 million jobs were generated each year.
Some critics will argue that these are worthless statistics because Presidents don't have much to do with creating jobs. If you guessed that most of these critics are Republicans, you'd be right. And if you guessed that they gleefully report the news and take credit if job creation is going well when one of their own is in the White House, you'd be right again. We heard a lot of that glee in the second half of Ronald Regan's presidency, for instance. But job creation doesn't usually do too well when one of their own is in the White House. All the more reason for them to downplay the prosperity of periods when the President is a Democrat.
Check it out. In the past 64 years, net job creation when Democrats were President totaled 57.5 million jobs. When a Republicans were, net job creation totaled 36.2 million jobs. But even that stark difference doesn't show the the whole picture. Republicans held the Presidency for 36 of those years, meaning they accounted for an average of just over 1 million jobs generated per year. The Democrats for just over 2 million jobs a year.
That's right, average annual job creation under Democratic presidencies since 1944 has been twice as good as under Republicans. Is this correlation mere coincidence?
If you're a young whippersnapper who considers the Truman and Johnson and Nixon years irrelevant ancient history, then just take note that during the terms of the last Democratic President, Bill Clinton, 23 million net jobs were generated. That was a million and a half more than under Bush Jr., Bush Sr., and Ronald Reagan combined. More jobs in less than half the time.
There is, of course, the matter of the quality of jobs that have been created in the past two or three decades as compared with jobs created before then. But that's a topic for another discussion.
Mister Bush, who strolled into office with an official 4.2% unemployment rate will be leaving town with a 7.2% rate. But both those figures - reflecting the official rate that 99% of the media report - are bogus. Since 1994, that official rate is what the BLS has called U3.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/1/9/152744/0270/240/682161
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PamB on January 12, 2009 at 08:29 AM
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Good morning PamB. It's the same empty headed idiots that follow the right wing nut blogs. Perino is right out of that know nothing bunch.
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Johne on January 12, 2009 at 08:09 AM
Good morning JE.
It's the same ahole that brought the lawsuit in December. They are still talking about this sort of garbage on the right wing trash web site worldnetdaily (yes right wing nuts, we know about Farah's lies).
The supreme court is disgracing itself by hearing these frivolous cases. Hey I thought that Repugs hate frivolous lawsuits? Apparently not.
Count on this - the right wing nuttism will continue. They learned absolutely nothing from the election. In fact, they think if McCain was more of a true right wing nut he would have won. How foolish! Their right wing nut base is NOT large enough to win national elections. You need the more reasonable middle to win these days.
Morning rj,
Well, I am off to work. I thank God every day that I have a job. Soon they will start the factory here south of ABQ and will manufacture solar electric panels for nationwide distribution. At full capacity they will employ 600 people. Thanks to Bill Richardson. Bill even courted an auto company to produce electric cars here but they chose a site in California near their headquarters.
Only eight more days and we will be free. Free at last, free at last.
Do they still manufacture guillotines in France. Maybe we need a trade agreement.
an editor at the wall street urinal has a piece today about how adherence to ayn rand's ideas would solve all our problems. end the income tax, get rid of government. quite simple really. i would love to see these folks live in the anarchy they wish for. they would last about five minutes.
global warming is a big joke just like deregulation of the banking and loan industries were:
NICOSIA (Reuters) - Cyprus runs the risk of desertification by the end of this century as it feels the brunt of climate change and drought, an expert warned Friday.
Studies project a rise in summer temperatures on the east Mediterranean island of between two and four degrees this century, compared to the 1960 to 1990 reference periods, Professor Manfred Lange, a geophysicist, said in an interview.
"I think that there is a very definite potential for dramatically increasing desertification," said Lange, director of the Energy, Environment and Water Research Center at the non-profit Cyprus Institute.
By the end of this century, Cyprus can expect an extra two months of days with temperatures exceeding 35 degrees centigrade (95 Fahrenheit) on top of the present summer months of June, July and August, Lange said.
There is also likely to be less rainfall and increased evaporation because of higher temperatures.
"Cyprus will in fact become more like Abu Dhabi or other states that we know because there is just not enough water," he said.
Cyprus now uses energy-intensive desalination to meet some of its water requirements, while its population of around one million live with rationing and a permanent hosepipe ban. Lange said enforcement must be stringent.
"People want water but if you want to avert desertification, we need to let nature have its share," he said, adding that while climate change could be slowed, it could not be reversed.
The Cyprus Institute is examining the use of concentrated solar power to co-generate electricity and potable water through desalination, technology Lange said could be used elsewhere.
"Cyprus could become somewhat of a showcase for this kind of technology and could develop an industry that would indeed then offer to market these devices to neighboring countries," he said.
Good morning, all.
Here's some good advice...
Op-Ed Columnist
Ideas for Obama
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: January 11, 2009
Last week President-elect Barack Obama was asked to respond to critics who say that his stimulus plan won’t do enough to help the economy. Mr. Obama answered that he wants to hear ideas about “how to spend money efficiently and effectively to jump-start the economy.”
O.K., I’ll bite — although as I’ll explain shortly, the “jump-start” metaphor is part of the problem.
...So my advice to the Obama team is to scrap the business tax cuts, and, more important, to deal with the threat of doing too little by doing more. And the way to do more is to stop talking about jump-starts and look more broadly at the possibilities for government investment...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/12/opinion/12krugman.html?_r=3&ref=opinion
May I add that maybe it's time to ask people to sacrifice? Let's drop the payroll deduction tax cut for everyone except the lowest paid workers and use it for kids seeking higher education and skills training.
We need to look out for the long-term. People expect their President-Elect to ask them to act in a way that will turn things around again in this country not just jump-start the same cycle of greed that got us where we are today.
Gotta run. later.
Bush on with his last Press Conference !
I LOL when he is now trying, very hard to let his legacy become "We have not been attacked again since 9/11" ! Like that was something he has done, and not sheer coincidence!
(ps, he just said "mis-understimated me". Is there such a word, or is this another of his ignorance illiterate foolish remarks?)
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SandyH on January 12, 2009 at 09:10 AM
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Sandy, Obama directly challenged Krugman to get specific with his criticism. It would seem that Krugman did get specific as did Democratic Senators. The business cuts are going to be changed:
Big changes to Obama stimulus plan
Emerging from a two-hour meeting in the Capitol with Obama advisers Lawrence Summers and Jason Furman, Senate Democrats praised the President-elect's team for agreeing to make changes to its stimulus proposal based off of concerns senators raised last week at a meeting with the president-elect’s senior aides.
The Obama team told about 35 Senate Democrats gathered at Sunday’s meeting that it would grow the size of an energy-tax incentive package and modify proposed tax credits for individuals and for businesses that hire new employees, according to meeting attendees. Also, with lawmakers raising concerns that the first half of the $700 billion of the financial rescue law was badly mismanaged, Obama’s team signaled it would lay out precisely how it would spend the second half of that package, which Congress is expected to consider as soon as this week.
“It’s very clear they’ve listened, they’ve heard and that they’re moving to respond,” said Sen. Kent Conrad, chairman of the Budget Committee, who questioned previously whether the tax credits in the stimulus package were enough to encourage new jobs. “It was very, very healthy. They’re not defensive, not arguing back, they’re listening, they’re attempting to hear and they’re responding.”
Obama Plans to Keep Estate Tax
Right wing nuts such as Drug Head Limbaugh are always running off at the mouth on the "death tax". Won't happen under Obama.
Obama Plans to Keep Estate Tax
Democrats Want to Freeze Levy at Current Levels Instead of Letting It Expire Next Year
By JONATHAN WEISMAN
President-elect Barack Obama and congressional leaders plan to move soon to block the estate tax from disappearing in 2010, suggesting the levy might outlive the "Death Tax Repeal" movement that has tried mightily to kill it.
The Democratic stance on the estate tax contrasts with Mr. Obama's reluctance to press forward with his campaign pledge to raise income-tax rates on top earners, which he worries could have an adverse economic impact during a recession.
[Obama Plans to Keep Estate Tax]
But Democrats are determined to act quickly to prevent the estate tax's scheduled repeal. Elimination of the levy on big inheritances was approved by Congress under President George W. Bush in 2001, with rollbacks phased in slowly and its full elimination slated to take effect next year.
hmmmm, no work today for the German again>
Must be hard to pick up those garbage pails with this kind of snow on the ground!
What's the latest from Germany on global Warming. thank goodness some countries are trying to do something about it. Keep pouring your tax dollars into your gov, Burdie, every little bit towards solving Global Warming helps!
Global warming could starve half the world by century-end
Sydney, Jan 12 : Global warming will severely damage crop output in tropical regions and deprive half the world of food by the century-end, according to a study.
http://www.newkerala.com/topstory-fullnews-73054.html
Hey right wing nuts, global warming is real. You can't just talk it away.
Only eight more days and we will be free. Free at last, free at last.
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Johne on January 12, 2009 at 08:51 AM
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Good morning JE,
It's the end of an ERROR!
I can't bear to watch Bush very long. I get this throw up come up in the back of my throat. He is so filled with Crapola, the toilet paper is floating in his eyeballs!
Funny, we haven't seen him try and act like the cowboy is some time. Must be the fact he is dying to get off that Ranch he had to pretend he was just one of the boys on, and get back to the city, where there is a bar on every corner !
Bush Gives Advice To The GOP
It would seem a bit counterintuitive for the GOP to take political advice from the man that drove it to its current state of disrepair and minority status. But George W. Bush offered a bit of sage analysis during an interview on "Fox News Sunday."
Acknowledging the cyclical nature of the political process, the president urged his party to abandon litmus tests and be more inclusive on policy issues, specifically immigration.
"Look, obviously we got whipped in 2008 and there will be a new wave of leadership arriving on the scene," Bush told Fox's Brit Hume. "But it's very important for our party not to narrow its focus, not to become so inward looking that we drive people away from a philosophy that is compassionate and decent and I -- my call for our party is to be open-minded about different people's opinions. We shouldn't have litmus tests whether or not you are a Republican. And we should be open-minded about big issues like immigration reform. Because if they're viewed anti somebody, if the party is viewed as anti-immigrant, then another fellow may say, well if they're against the immigrant, then they may be against me. We have to be a party FOR a better future."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/11/bush-gives-advice-to-the_n_156928.html
Be open minded! How ironic coming from the most close minded President ever.
Hey right wing nuts, you still won't acknowledge that you lost the election. The nation has rejected right wing nuttism:
YOU LOST THE ELECTION
YOU LOST IT BAD
GET OVER IT
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PamB on January 12, 2009 at 09:23 AM
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No one "mis-underestimated" Bush. We all know that he lived up to being the worse ever.
Thanks PAMB !
Thanks for the perspective of Neve Gordon, Ben Gurion University, on Israel's War in Gaza.
Note - Israel now has "Joe the War Correspondent" to give us a perspective on the war. This is tantamount to Sarah Palin giving us her knowledge of foreign affairs. It is laughable, if the situation was not so tragic. It is an insult to our nation on the part of Israel - who thinks we have all dumbed down just because of GW's reign...
Below is a link to Rabbi Michael Lerner who thinks Israel has taken the wrong approach.
Shalom
Coleman Election Challenge: Minnesotans Oppose
A majority of Minnesotans disagree with Norm Coleman's decision to contest the results of the state's Senate election, a new poll shows.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/09/coleman-election-challeng_n_156566.html
Yet another Republican that just can't acknowledge that he lost the election.
Hey Normy, you lost. Get over it!
Big Al Franken will be the next Senator from Minnesota. He is going to be seated. Minnesotans will just love having two Democratic Senators.
Here is the link to Rabbi Michael Lerner on Gaza, once again - I see that the former link that I posted will take you only to the Huffington Post. It as also worth reading.
RJ, I smile and smile as I watch the increasingly shrill vitriol and vile comments from the trolls, as the last days of Bush come to an end, and the Obama era starts !
GAWD, talk about throw-up in the back of their throats! They are swimming in anger and hatred!
Let me end this era with this.
To Bush and the people who voted for him TWICE:
This country's financial disaster is on your hands.
The death of 4229 US troops is on your hands
30,000+ US troops with limbs and eyes gone, brain damage, PSTD, , this too is on your hands.
The fact that the US borders and ports are still not protected, is on your hands. the next attack will belong to you.
The fact that a city like New Orleans did not have money given to it, to fix it levees, etc and is now still in destruction, is on yuor hands.
The fact that 8 years of no stem cell research of embryos which have since been flushed down the toilet, and the people with disease that could have been saved is all on your hands.
The fact that your Mothers, wives, daughters, granddaughters have had their civil rights cut way way back to 100 years ago.
Worker rights have been terminated.
USA world image is one of disrespect and hatred, thanks to you.
the US dollar is worthless, thanks to you.
The deficit is largest in US history, thanks to you.
The Middle East is a total disaster, thanks to you.
The number of people with no jobs, the companies that have downsized or moved out of country is all thanks to you.
So, I hope there is at least one of you, that has the integrity to admit that you made a huge mistake and you share the blame for where this country is today! Because it is you, who made this all possible !
PRAY real hard that Obama is able to turn this around. this took 8 years in the making of this destruction----it will take a very long time to get us back out !
ahahahahaha, How quick they are to call anyone who DARES to criticize Israel and it's hawkish, aggressive actions,----- anti-semitic! They love to play that card, because they have NO EXCUSE for it. I personally could care less if the people in Israel were Roman Orthodox Catholics, or Buddists ! Aggression by a country is not right ! (And enough of that bull crap where they are merely defending themselves. They could have ended that long ago, if they pulled their bulldozers and cement walls down.)
well, Bush just ended his Propoganda final speech.
Waaaawaaawaaa, Katrina was not MY fault.
Sheesh, German, you are such a joke! Hitler would have LOVED you. He went after the easily manipulated, screwballs to join his regime!
Like anybody here should take The Light Brigade seriously !!! They even claim they were past Party Builder people who got erased! Talk about your sour grapes !
Matt Ortega warned Party Builder PUMA and other haters on there, that he would not tolerate any bullshit !
One More Thing
By Matt Ortega - Aug 4th, 2008 at 5:19 pm EDT
Spreading smears about Democrats will be removed immediately. This is "PartyBuilder," not "Split Up the Party So Republicans Can Continue to Ruin Things."
By Matt Ortega - Aug 4th, 2008 at 3:52 pm EDT
Just an FYI -- I will not tolerate any personal attacks on others. Telling others that you will "stuff" something up them followed by expletives, and comments or posts of that nature, will be dealt with swiftly.
I've been getting a lot of email about it including a few phone calls. I prefer not deleting content and removing profiles, but I will not tolerate the disgusting comments that I have seen, the personal attacks flung around, etc.
Reasonable people can and will disagree, but the epithets thrown around will not be let go. That is not debate. Our party is better than that.
So shove your crap back up your butt where you pulled it out of ! Just because YOUR filth, racism, homophobia , and liberal attacks get erased, don't try and make this blog into some kind of conspiracy to rid the blog of party dissenters !!!!!!!!! You don;'t like it, then find a blog in Germany where they share your views ! (ooops, I don't think there is another single German who shares your views!)
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