House Passes the President's Economic Stimulus Package
President Barack Obama's economic stimulus package cleared the House on a 246-183 vote. Republicans, however, continued their "Just Say No" campaign. House Education and Labor Committee Chairman George Miller (D-Martinez, Calif.) spoke about the Republican strategy on the House floor:
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Miller really told off the GOP - party of drug addict limbaugh, party of zero, party of NO. The GOP are a disgrace. They failed to be bipartisan; not Obama, not the Democratic Party.
I am glad that Miller stood up for the American people. Boehner, Cantor, Steele, and Limbaugh are the fall guys for the Republican Party. President Obama is trying to reach across the aisle to the Republicans but the Republicans are just saying "no". The Republican party is just about tax cuts and the Democratic party is working to help Americans stay in their homes, keep their jobs, have better health care, and providing a bright future for our children and grandchildren. As an Ohioan, I am disappointed in my representatives and senators for voting against the economic stimulus package. There was only one congress person who voted for the economic stimulus package from my state of Ohio and that was Senator Sherrod Brown. When Representative Mike Turner is up for re-election in four years, I am not voting for him.
Well since I’ve lost about $60,000 so far in this government give to the rich scheme, That as a retiree, who cant afford it; I think I’ll take my $13.00 a week after taxes of Omama bail out package for Joe Average, and go put a down payment on a steak.
The only thing this stimulus package wants to make me do besides puking; is kick this anti-American pig, along with the rest of the dumbocrats cheering him on; out of the country!
Oh well; since Obama killed the buy America clause in his stimulus package, it probably wouldn’t have been an American steak anyway, and he saved me from Mad Cow disease!
Apparently Obama’s deal is, that Joe Average gets $13.00 a week, and later will have to give back $50.00 a week to pay for it, while the rich who caused this meltdown gets to keep billions. There is no mention of any of these people going to jail, even after they got our money, and threw $400,000 spa parties, $86,000 hunting trips, and bought $1,300 trash cans while spending millions redoing their offices.
There is no mention of making some of the richest people in this country pay back anything, even though they committed fraud by telling us all their companies were solvent, so keep investing!
There is no accountability as to where the first billions went, so Obama’s brilliant plan is to give them more! Excellent job of screwing the little people Obama!
Now I know why I became an independent voter after being a 40-year democrat. Only a total idiot would continue to support people who sell them out!
Even Obama says gambling with our money may not work? Say what stupid? That’s just why we are in this mess; bankers gambled with someone else’s money, and lost it you dumb ass…duh!
The democrats should change the name of this party to illegal aliens Inc., or Wal-Mart’s; it doesn’t matter which, because neither would be working for us!
Oh well, after this pig gets done pissing away the rest of my life’s savings; maybe I could go look for an American job; but since this pig wants to kill the E-Verify program too, I would probably have to learn Spanish first, because he and the rest of the dumbocrats don’t seem to like hiring America very much!
We kicked the republicans out on the promise of change; but the only change I’m seeing is, who’s selling us out to big business, and the world!
Hey, who could possibly be against hiring Americans, and buying American, when 11-million Americans are unemployed? Would it be terrorists, Mexico, China, big business, dumbocrats? What low life; would sell out their fellow Americans?
Try the Democratic Party; or is it the Mexican Party; the help the rich party; the screw Americans party?
Wake up people, and stop supporting these dirt bags. Our only hope is to kick all of them out of office, both republicants, and dumbocrats, and start over again, because none of them are working for us anymore!
Smoke
I don't understand why more people are not concerned with what is in the stimulas package and why it was rushed through. Too much spending!!!! My guess the reason republicans did not vote for it was because they did not help write it and wern't asked.
smoke - ah, don't be misled my friend. You are worried about losing 60,000? If so, you aren't on the Republican Agenda other wise this loss wouldn't concern you. They favor the rich my friend and you aren't rich enough to the Bush's friend. Hey, has anyone noticed the anti Obama crud on FOX. I deleted that channel from my channel list today. Next I want to delete the anti partisan Republican Party from our political system - the crooks. Peace be with you.
WOW!! That's great! My only question is what were they doing with all that money before?
Smoke, I have lost money in the stock market to and I am a NOT dumb democrat. The reason that this country is losing jobs is that former President Bush thought it would be cheaper to send jobs overseas then keeping jobs in the US. I am NOT an illegal alien nor am I an idiot. FYI-former President Bush's presidency cost the American a couple of trillion dollars. You really should wake up and open your eyes to see what is really going on in this country. This country was going down hill after September 11, 2001 and we are in a deep hole that President Obama is trying to get us out of. My sisters and my dad voted for President Obama and are you calling them dumb democrats. The Republican party just want to give tax cuts to the wealthy and corporations for sending jobs overseas where President Obama is trying to keep jobs in the US.
My fear is that we are being led into a socialist environment. Big government, and lots of dept. Redistibution of wealth is not the answer. We need leaders. Has anyone took a hard look at socialized health care. Give it a few years and you will see what I mean. We need an LBJ type democrat in the whitehouse. I hope I am wrong, but I am scared that we jumped into a pit by passing the stimulus package. I would like for someone to help me see how this is going to benefit us.
My fear is that we are being led into a socialist environment. Big government, and lots of dept. Redistibution of wealth is not the answer. We need leaders. Has anyone took a hard look at socialized health care. Give it a few years and you will see what I mean. We need an LBJ type democrat in the whitehouse and I was hoping that our candidate would be. I hope I am wrong, but I am scared that we jumped into a pit by passing the stimulus package. I would like for someone to help me see how this is going to benefit us. Why havent we utilized the business brains rather than the political brains to solve this.
In the stimulus package, can someone please tell me what "green" tax credits were passed for the homeowner or hybrid driver? Previously, there were tax credits for insulation, upgrades to solar, ... however, they expired in 2007. I kept hoping that they would be revived.
In the stimulus package, can someone please tell me what "green" tax credits were passed for the homeowner or hybrid driver? Previously, there were tax credits for insulation, upgrades to solar, ... however, they expired in 2007. I kept hoping that they would be revived.
Can someone please tell me what were the "green" tax credits passed in the stimulus bill, specifically for the homeowners / individuals. Previously, there were tax credits for insulation, converting to solar, radatiant barrier, hybrids, however they expired in 2007. I thought that the media would have been all over them since this is the "green party" but I must have missed it in their boardcast.
Can someone please tell me what were the "green" tax credits passed in the stimulus bill, specifically for the homeowners / individuals. Previously, there were tax credits for insulation, converting to solar, radatiant barrier, hybrids, however they expired in 2007. I thought that the media would have been all over them since this is the "green party" but I must have missed it in their boardcast.
Can someone please tell me what were the "green" tax credits passed in the stimulus bill, specifically for the homeowners / individuals. Previously, there were tax credits for insulation, converting to solar, radatiant barrier, hybrids, however they expired in 2007. I thought that the media would have been all over them since this is the "green party" but I must have missed it in their boardcast.
Since all you democrats like to quote President Kennedy and say Obama is just like him why do you not do as he stated...ask not what your country can do for you but what YOU can do for your country. All you do it TAKE, TAKE, TAKE from the taxpayers. You hate the rich but you support all your rich political cronies, Pelosi, Kennedy, Reid, Clinton, etc. You are soooo blind...they have you just where they want you...they line their pockets at your expense and you don't even know it.
wow, peeuuu..... Looks at the Repugs, who sat back for 8 long years (15 if you count the years Republicans were in the majority of congress), while they SPENT, and put us into largest deficit in history, while they killed off 4200 US boys for a Lie, all the while not opening their big fat mouths until Obama has been in office for a lousy 27 days!!!!!!!!
SIT BACK AND SHUT UP REPUGS. LET THE DEMOCRATS FIX THE GOVERNMENT AGAIN, LIKE THEY HAD TO AFTER REAGAN AND POPPY BUSH MESS THEY MADE !!!
take your greedy little wallets and shove them! We will take care of you, too, like we did in Clinton era. How was your savings and 401ks and stocks in those days, huh? sheesh, do you have any idea how foolish you guys look?
All of you pugs, on this thread please tell us what you all Loath, about the failed policys of the past 30 years of Pug rule?
Well, Pam. At least ONE person can read. Let the trolls have their "fun" over there.
such a kick out of Stevie's claiming such a wonderful memory of past administrations, who gave weapons and money to Rogue states, etc. I guess he missed Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam while over there giving money, arms, teaching them about chemical weapons, bring spores for them to cultivate, etc. The mind is such a silly thing to waste, isn't it.
PamB on February 16, 2009 at 09:31 AM
Well Old Squirrel faced one, I guess you missed the pictures of Roosevelt shaking hands with Stalin, the guy who murdered more people than anyone else in the history of the world. He was worse than Hitler and a hundred times worse than Saddam.
So the right wing nuts are posting here ...
Hey right wing nuts:
YOU LOST THE ELECTION
YOU LOST IT BAD
GET OVER IT SORE LOSERS (OR DON'T AND KEEP ON LOSING)
Socialism? Hah! You right wing nuts don't even understand the meaning of the word. I suppose you would rather have fascism ... isn't it time for right wing nuts to do a bit of goose stepping? How did your Freeper protest work out in DC? I didn't hear much about it.
Reveal on February 16, 2009 at 02:35 PM
Ya right just like that 3million$ bonus I got!!WHO IS IT LINING THEIR POCKETS AGAIN?
Typical Republicanism:
Having It Both Ways: Republicans Take Credit for 'Pork' - In Stimulus Bill They Opposed
By Susie Madrak Sunday Feb 15, 2009 6:00pm
Of course, no one's really surprised, right? I just wonder if the Democratic communications staffers will kick into gear and capitalize on this kind of story:
WASHINGTON — Rep. John Mica was gushing after the House of Representatives voted Friday to pass the big stimulus plan.
"I applaud President Obama's recognition that high-speed rail should be part of America's future," the Florida Republican beamed in a press release.
Yet Mica had just joined every other GOP House member in voting against the $787.2 billion economic recovery plan.
Republicans echoed their party line over and over during the debate: "This bill is loaded with wasteful deficit spending on the majority's favorite government programs," as Minority Whip Eric Cantor, R-Va., put it.
But Mica wasn't alone in touting what he saw as the bill's virtues. Rep. Don Young, R-Alaska, also had nice things to say in a press release.
Young boasted that he "won a victory for the Alaska Native contracting program and other Alaska small business owners last night in H.R. 1, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act."
One provision would have made it harder for minority businesses to win contracts, and Young explained that he "worked with members on the other side of the aisle to make the case for these programs, and was able to get the provision pulled from the bill."
Yet later in the day Young — who recently told McClatchy that he would've included earmarks, or local projects, in the bill if it had been permitted — issued another statement blasting the overall measure.
"This bill was not a stimulus bill. It was a vehicle for pet projects, and that's wrong," he protested.
A word to the wise (should any visit our blog) take all of your cash and buy gold and silver. That is what I have been doing.
Well, moron, Stalin was an ALLY during WWII.
Saddam wasn't any time.
Get it?
Rummy gives Saddam WMD and torture devices NOW WITH VIDEO!!
I didn't suggest buying fools gold Robert J Scardapane, That would be stupid.
Cranky McCain is back and mad at Obama
Joe Sudbay
Seriously, who cares what John McCain thinks?
The Arizona Republican says the $787 billion measure will create what he calls "generational theft" — huge federal deficits for years to come.
McCain, who lost the presidential race to Obama, says the president is backtracking on promises of bipartisanship. McCain is not happy with the process that led to passage of the stimulus bill. He calls it a bad beginning to Obama's presidency.
McCain acknowledges that Republicans excluded Democrats when the GOP held power on Capitol Hill. But he says Obama had promised to work differently.
McCain offers this advice: "Let's start over now and sit down together."
Start where? Let's review: John McCain was one of 36 Republicans to vote for Senator Jim DeMint's amendment to remove ALL spending from the economic recovery package. Krugman, who called the GOP Senators who voted against the stimulus package "the crazy 36" noted that DeMint's amendment:
would have replaced $800 billion of stimulus with $3.1 trillion of non-stimulative tax cuts. These, by the way, are the same people now accusing Obama of engaging in “generational theft.”
Crazy. But, that's John McCain's terminology.
How can Obama negotiate with people who really are that extreme? It was actually the Republicans, including McCain, who excluded themselves from the deliberations because of their adherence to Bush's failed economic philosophy.
And, lest we forget, John McCain never really got the magnitude of the economic crisis, which is one reason that he isn't president. Remember, McCain still thought the fundamentals of our economy were strong on September 15, 2008, the day we learned Lehman Brothers disappeared:
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McCain doesn't know the meaning of bipartisan.
Well, moron, Stalin was an ALLY during WWII.
Saddam wasn't any time.
Get it?
Rummy gives Saddam WMD and torture devices NOW WITH VIDEO!!
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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on February 16, 2009 at 03:49 PM
Well dumbshit DoPeyDoodle, Saddam was in effect an ally in the war against Iran.
A word to the wise (should any visit our blog) take all of your cash and buy gold and silver. That is what I have been doing.
26Sally-* on February 16, 2009 at 03:47 PM
Your buying the wrong commodity, you should be buying COPPER, the Chinese is going to be buying it by the train loads.
I didn't suggest buying fools gold Robert J Scardapane, That would be stupid.
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Sally-* on February 16, 2009 at 03:51 PM
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If you suggested it Stevie Thornburg it would be foolish.
Anybody else but me haveing trouble with posting on this thread, when i post, it don't take unless i hit the EXC button, then it posts.
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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on February 16, 2009 at 03:49 PM
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Doo-Bee, why waste time explaining it to idiots?
It's common knowledge that we sold chemical weapons to Saddam to use against Iran. Then Saddam used the same chemical weapons against the Kurds. That's typical blowback for the sort of foreign policy we have followed for decades now. Comparing it to a world crisis such as WWII where the Germans were at war with both the United States and Russia is just dumb.
I bet Obamas brother George wishs, someone would just buy him lunch.
Well, moron, Stalin was an ALLY during WWII.
Saddam wasn't any time.
Get it?
Rummy gives Saddam WMD and torture devices NOW WITH VIDEO!!
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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on February 16, 2009 at 03:49 PM
Well dumbshit DoPeyDoodle, Saddam was in effect an ally in the war against Iran.
GOP votes against biggest tax cut in American history
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That is messaging. That is the message, at least one of the messages, that Democrats need to put out there now, and up until the next election. Every Republican member of Congress, save three, voted against the biggest tax cut in American history. And in Republican-think, you could even say that they voted to increase your taxes (increase them beyond what they'd be if the legislation were passed). It's what they'd do. It's what Karl Rove would do. It's time we started messaging to win.
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Hey I thought you right wing nuts love tax cuts?
I suppose only when they are for the wealthy.
Well, moron, Stalin was an ALLY during WWII.
Saddam wasn't any time.
Get it?
Rummy gives Saddam WMD and torture devices NOW WITH VIDEO!!
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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on February 16, 2009 at 03:49 PM
Well dumbshit DoPeyDoodle, Saddam was in effect an ally in the war against Iran.
I bet I wish you would choke to death on your lunch. But I guess that would be hard to do, seeing as how your "lunch" consists of a fifth of Everclear, and you are a "professional".
We weren't in ANY war against Iran.
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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on February 16, 2009 at 03:58 PM
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Doo-Bee, they don't get it. The Repuke trolls lamely echo their right wing blogs where they stupidly try to make historical comparisons. There is no analogy at all between the two scenarios.
The Repukes need to put down their Ann Coulter books; it's rotting their brains.
I can't wait until Mrs. Hillary makes Iran one of are, allies, no doubt this would piss off Israel, but hey fuck them what have they ever done for us, but cost us National Treasury.
As far as i'm concered there thiefs, right along with the pugs.
a fifth of Everclear
Thats wicked Doo Bee, and cheap to, just like the cheap ass Pelicians.
Hey I thought you right wing nuts love tax cuts?
I suppose only when they are for the wealthy.
40rjsnj on February 16, 2009 at 03:59 PM
Robert,
Both you and DopeyDoodle are on SSI, you two never pay income tax anyway, idiot.
It's not a matter of whether anyone liked Saddam or Stalin. I would bet that Rumsfeld didn't care for Saddam nor did FDR care for Stalin.
It's a matter of if their policy made sense. It's obvious that we didn't need to intervene in Saddam's war against Iran and that there was negative outcomes when Saddam used the weapons we gave him against the Kurds. It's also obvious that forming an alliance with Russia against Nazi Germany made sense. Hmmm maybe the right wing nuts would rather have lost the war to the Nazis?
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rjsnj on February 16, 2009 at 04:03 PM
Yep, I answered his first post and he has no defense for his stupidity, so he just keeps repeating the same C & P post 4 times.
Once again for the moron (who doesn't even own gold fillings in his toothless mouth):
We WEREN'T in a war with Iran. So Saddam couldn't have been "...in effect an ally in the war against Iran.".
These brain dead trolls are really something.
42Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on February 16, 2009 at 04:02 PM
DPD,
Ha ha ha.
The troll thinks Saddamm and Iran were allies?
Man the republicans brainwash their trolls thoroughly.
Both you and DopeyDoodle are on SSI, you two never pay income tax anyway, idiot.
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CactusBarack on February 16, 2009 at 04:08 PM
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Hey Cactus in the Brains, how would you know? I bet you are on welfare and haven't paid taxes in years.
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I bet I wish you would choke to death on your lunch. But I guess that would be hard to do, seeing as how your "lunch" consists of a fifth of Everclear, and you are a "professional".
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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on February 16, 2009 at 04:02 PM
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Doo-Bee, right wing nuttism + Everclear is a bad combination. The brain rotting must be severe.
cactass dan who is robert is he your imaginary friend you need to get more
The Repukes need to put down their Ann Coulter books; it's rotting their brains.
43rjsnj on February 16, 2009 at 04:03 PM
RJ. they buy these books by the gross, and pass them out at Sunday School.
RJ. they buy these books by the gross, and pass them out at Sunday School.
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chassie on February 16, 2009 at 04:14 PM
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Chassie, I would say that Ann Coulter books are pretty gross (as is the author). Definitely should not be read just after dinner ...
Well, it's been fun chatting with you all. But alas, it's time to tend to the Moose Burgers. BBL
they used those book to keep the school warm by burning them
We weren't in ANY war against Iran.
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Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo on February 16, 2009 at 03:58 PM
We would have been had we not had a pussy for a President when our embassy was held hostage. Iran was/is our enemy. Only a fool would think not,
43rjsnj on February 16, 2009 at 04:03 PM
I hope the republicans spend their life savings on the palin PAC and coulter's books.
The republicans can go bankrupt all they want.
Just keep the republicans from influencing the American economy and I'll be happy.
DPD,
Only a fool would think that Sadam and Iran were allies before the bush and republican occupation.
Benji i bet the trolls, think that they have seen a surge of caring Dems today. HEE HEE
And Chicago, nor MaryMac, nor Trinity, nor KaBoom, nor Kathy, nor Fromm, nor Bob is even hear yet.
Huh? Robert/Benji thinks that Iran and Iraq were allies?
We WEREN'T in a war with Iran. So Saddam couldn't have been "...in effect an ally in the war against Iran.".
DoPeyDoodle,
We were not "at war" with Russia for three decades, but we had allies.
DPD,
the troll thinks that Sadam and Iran were allies but they were brainwashed to think that by the republicans.
Dusty,
bush was a pussy. he had no balls when it came to hunting down osama bin laden!
it's time to tend to the Moose Burgers. BBL
53rjsnj on February 16, 2009 at 04:16 PM
RJ. you meant Wolf, and Polar Bear burgers, didn't you? LOL
robert is on your imaginary sally you need more friends off the net
Benji/rjsnj on February 16, 2009 at 04:26 PM
Ya blithering dumbshit, Iran and Iraq were at war, over an million people died!
bush WAS A PUSSY
bush and the republican controlled congress "FAILED" to capture osama bin laden!
iran and iraq were at war and...
the bush "FAILED" invasion of iraq strengthened iran's influence in the middle east.
bush and the republican controlled congress "FAILED" to capture osama bin laden...
that's why the republicans are no longer in control of squat....
bush IS A PUSSY!
bush IS A PUSSY!
bush signed a bailout that let ceo's at failing banks to get money with no accountability at all.
PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSIEN OBAMA CAPPED THE SALARIES OF CEO'S THAT RECEIVE BAILOUT FUNDS!
Benji, Bush is worst then a PUSSY, he is a coward in the first degree, born with a silver spoon in his mouth, and deserted the Air National Guard. Because he had daddy to take care of him.
When he invaded Iraq, he was trying to pay daddy back. He is one of the biggest Wimps in the history of this country. He would not even make a good cartoon character little lone Decider in Chief that a crooked Supreme Court appointed him to that position. He lost the popular vote by 500,000 votes. The supreme court is more responsible for the downfall of this country then anybody.
bush IS A PUSSY!
bush signed a bailout that let ceo's at failing banks to get money with no accountability at all.
Gee,
Obama was a "pussie" for voting for it.
bush and the republican controlled congress FAILED to capture osama bin laden
sally Well Old Squirrel faced on are you talking about your mother
71CactusBarack on February 16, 2009 at 04:41 PM
PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA SHOULD NOT HAVE TRUSTED BUSH!
PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA SHOULD NOT TRUST THE REPUBLICANS!
bush and the republicans ARE PUSSY!
bush and the republican controlled congress FAILED to capture osama bin laden!
Benji on February 16, 2009 at 04:47 PM
So Robert/Benji says Obama is stupid and easy to lead.
So are the liberals that control congress.
Robert benji says we elected half wits, I guess we better vote the liberals out of Washington.
Good afternoon, all.
I've come to believe that their is a different divide in politic than the one we are always being told: the Left, Right, and Center.
imho, there are two other groups: one between Left and Center and one between Right and Center who are the real shakers and movers. This is where most Americans reside. For sake of argument, I'll call them Middle Americans.
They both believe in fiscal responsibility and equal opportunity. They are the Independents who use common sense instead of an inflated sense of propriety on the Right or an inflates sense of virtue on the Left. That why the Far Right and Far Left turn off the Independents
The people in the Center just don't have any principles at all and are rank opportunists. They call themselves Republicans or Democrats but they are really out for themselves and their own political careers. Independents have just about had enough of their crap. They are easily bribed by whoever on the Right or Left is in power.
It became evident as I've been canvassing in the last five years that the Independents were ready for a really big Change. They're sick of the bickering between the ideals of the Left and Right and would just like to hang all the Centralists.
Obama tapped into the discontent of the Independents. He circumvented Clinton during the primaries and McCain in the general because the leaned toward the Center. The Far Left and Far Right as per Ralph Nader and Ron Paul became isolated from both traditional parties and most voters.
The Bushies forced this alienation of the Center by claiming to be Far Right when they operated Center. What a shame for the George Wills and Rush Limbaughs of this world. It gave the Independents a real chance to see how conservative ideals just don't work.
Obama is in for one frickin' sucessful ride in the next eight years if I'm right.
bush IS A PUSSY
bush and the republican controlled congress have been voted out of Washington by "THE MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE" and "THE MAJORITY OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE".....
.....because......
bush IS A PUSSY
THE HONORABLE PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS DOING EVERYTHING HE CAN TO PROMOTE BI-PARTISANSHIP IN WASHINGTON.
But the republicans are proving to be too incompetent to trust.
President Barack Hussein Obama is "COURAGEOUS" in attempting to promote bi-partisanship in Washington DC.
They ain't no pussies on this web site except for the ones that voted for the Chimp!
And like Mrs. Sandy has said several times, we will never ever never let you forgot what you all along with the crooked ass supreme court did to this country. Why are those justices still living?
President Obama has already proven to be a LIAR!
Like the pork bill that was to be posted for 48 hours BEFORE a vote.
Sandy,
I agree.
President Barack Hussein Obama is giving the republicans every opportunity he can to show their true agenda....
the republicans by and large have no agenda.
I do have a problem with the ralph nader left.
I do have a problem with the extreme left.
But those who claim to be liberal even when "liberal" was a bad word during the bush administration don't bother me and I respect their open-mindedness.
Carter was a leftist and a pussy, the people didn't know that when they elected him. Then when he morphed into a commie and demonstrated his weakness in dealing or not dealing with Iran the people rejected him big time in favor of Ronald Reagan. So goes it with Obama only more so.
Obama has no personal traits or talents that would lead one to believe he is Presidential. He got elected because of his personality by millions of swooning moonbeams. The fact that the Republicans did not nominate a viable candidate certainly helped as well.
His weakness, his penchant for communism and his constant pessimism will wear on the people over the next few years. Another terrorist attack will be blamed on him for whatever Bush was doing that he canceled.
In the mean time Sarah will be doing all the right things to prepare herself for the 2012 campaign and her confidence, competence and cheerful optimism will propel her to the Presidency by a landslide. A vast landslide greater than Reagan walloped Carter. Probably more in tune with Reagan's shellacking of Mondaled!
Obama is in for one frickin' sucessful ride in the next eight years if I'm right.
80SandyH on February 16, 2009 at 04:57 PM
WeWax Sandy your right! No reason to think otherwise. Next election will not be 53 percent to 47 percent, it will be 59 percent to 41 percent. the one after that will be 65 percent to 35 percent and on and on until they get down to there base of 22 percent. There doomed for light years to come.
The biggest politically strategic advantage that the Democratic Party has over the "PUSSY" republicans is that....
republican trolls support republicans because of their anger at the liberals.
The Democratic Party supports President Barack Hussein Obama because he is a competent leader, who admits to his mistakes, and is "COURAGEOUS" enough to promote bipartisan-ship with the "PUSSY" republicans.
Didn't you little asshats have a plan?
Robert, get out your crayons and write up a new one!
87Sally-* on February 16, 2009 at 05:08 PM
bush AND THE republicans ARE "PUSSIES" AND "COWARDS"!
Obama has no personal traits or talents that would lead one to believe he is Presidential
How does it feel to be in a minority of the bottom 30 Percent? You definitely are full of shit up to your eye brows, and will die that way.
KA BOOM goodbye.
When this economy is thriving in 4 years, and the National Debt starts going down, after Obama puts a big tax increase on your rich buds. American will say what a great President. You don't stand a chance with the one's.
Sally thats your big problem, your always looking backwards, like a typical pug, instead of looking forward, no body gives a shit about a old President Carter but your stupid as stupid does, got it? Sell that story to the young idiot, they are the ones that is going to drive this country forward, not backwards, got that?
The economy will turn around.
Investors aren't republicans.
Investors are capitalists who invest in the private sector because it is profitable.
Investors will be back and the unemployed will have jobs.
When that happens....
the republicans and their trolls will still be whining and crying because....
bush and the republicans "FAILURES" and "FAILED" to capture osama bin laden.
BBL, maybe
94CactusBarack on February 16, 2009 at 05:18 PM
Don't let the door hit you in the ass, go bang your wife for a few secs. And sally you can go bang your Mrs Wolf, and Polar Bear killer doll, until daylight, and nobody will miss you.
looks like cactus ran out of republican slogans.....
so the troll cuts and runs.
I see that Catuass is posting out of muliple windows again, poor little dupe.
Check out this list of Presidential rankings.
Remember, the Pug Party (in bold) wasn't founded until Lincoln, so everything before then isn't highlighted.
1. Lincoln
2. Washington
3. FD Roosevelt
4. Teddy Roosevelt
5. Truman
6. Kennedy
7. Jefferson
8. Eisenhower
9. Wilson
10. Reagan
11. LB Johnson
12. Polk
13. Jackson
14. Monroe
15. Clinton
16. McKinley
17. John Adams
18. George HW Bush
19. John Quincy Adams
20. Madison
21. Cleveland
22. Ford
23. Grant
24. Taft
25. Carter
26. Coolidge
27. Nixon
28. Garfield
29. Taylor
30. Harrison
31. Van Buren
32. Arthur
33. Hayes
34. Hoover
35. Tyler
36. CHIMPY
37. Fillmore
38. Harding
39. WH Harrison
40. Pierce
41. A. Johnson
42. Buchanan
DPD,
It looks like the "republican" golden era of reagun, is finished.
78Cactusbrain Obama is stupid and easy to lead. --- Dannyboy doesn't really know what the definition of being a Liberal/Democrat truly means. I've never met a Liberal/Democrat who was stupid and easy to lead, Unlike the brainless sheeple flock who would/did follow their sheep herding wolf the past EIGHT very long years to the gates of sheep hell and think their about to enter the gates of heaven. What narrow mindlessness
Dusty, are you lurking, we got to give Cact-ass a little credit, at least hes got a spouse to go bang, although she don't really want to, i figure she has got a few on the slide, if you know what i mean.
But Sally don't have nothing but Wolf, and Polar Bear Killer Doll's, to bang, and keep him warm.
He lives a miserable life so sad, but so right.
Dusty i bet Sally uses some of that Maple Syrup, that he makes for lubrication on them Killer Dolls, what do you think?
Good Lord, Plastic killer dolls, and home made maple syrup, sounds like a frigging sticky mess. But hey Sally likes it.
Jacq are you lurking, i need someone to admonish me, and make me behave.
TR was a Pug, and I don't know why the last 10 or so all showed up in bold. The Pugs on that list are HERE
As you can see, the bottom tier is mostly Pugs. Most of the worst Presidents in history have been Pugs.
They just stink on ice, is all.
Doo Bee how on earth did Nixon end up 27th on that list?
I would of thought more along the lines of 40th, Ford as 39 Reagun 41st, Bush One 42sd. and of course the chimp as 43rd.
Contrary to what the pugs say Obama, will end up as one of the top 10 presidents, if not in the top 5, glory days ahead full speed.
BBL, i'm gone for awhile time to eat a ribeye from a cow, that i had butchered Friday. And all the trimmings.
34. Hoover
35. Tyler
36. CHIMPY - 100Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo - Chimp could even rate a Hoover?
Chassie, it was compiled from interviews and ratings of 65 historians. Just click on each individual name and the internal ratings will come up.
Here's Chimpy's:
He pretty much sucks across the board
Here is the full list with breakdowns:
Historians Survey Results Category
Total Scores/Overall Ranking
Nixon got high marks for International Relations.
President Clinton, said that Obama has done all the right moves, and that he would of done exactly the same things. That should tell you asshat pelicians something, he was reelected.
Nixon got high marks for International Relations.
112Doo-Bee-Doo-Bee-Doo - -- nixon/bush International Relations = sending U.S. job market over seas.
Good evening, all.
Republican trolls support republicans because of their anger at the liberals.
The Democratic Party supports President Barack Hussein Obama because he is a competent leader, who admits to his mistakes
Benji on February 16, 2009 at 05:11 PM
Benji,
Sorry I had to attend to something and couldn't get back to you...and now that Dan has left, it's even a better time to talk.
That anger at the liberals is what got us into a quandary in the first place. Rove used it "liberally" to paint all Democrats as radicals. T'aint so. We have always skewed toward both the left and the right on issues...just as most Americans do. I guess the term progressive is a more accurate term of whom and what we Democrats are.
We work. We save. We raise families. We respect others. We believe in equal opportunity. We believe in living modestly and only borrowing for big purchases and have a payment schedule in mind before we do it. We live within our means. We seek peace but will defend our country to the death. We understand the importance of the Bill of Rights (even the right to bear arms). We do not discriminate nor feel superior.
I've come to realize that many blue dogs believe in these same things as I do even though they are from the conservative side while I tend to be from the liberal side of the spectrum.
Think of it as me on one side of the pendulum and BobHawkVA on the other side. We can work together and respect each other even though we don't always agree on some issues.
Obama has read the situation perfectly. He skews from both sides because that is the way he grew up. He was forced to live in two worlds. His background made him the perfect Democratic candidate. He understands why mistakes will be made and knows he has to admit them to find a better solution to problems.
The Republicans would like to think they have a similar candidate in Bobby Jindal, but he doesn't have that important tolerance factor for others...he thinks like the Far Right. He's still got that Republican bigotry thing going toward gays and women. He's radical Far Right at heart. He thinks his ideology is perfect and can't fail. If he tries to present himself as anything else in the future, younger voters will sense the deceit immediately and reject him as a hypocrite.
Obama, however, fits the solid profile of a Middle American. He thinks with both sides of the political spectrum's brain. He really does. He is both sides of the traditional American coin.
And he's committed to never giving up on either side. Obama can pull support from both sides at one time because of those shared values from those on the Middle Left and Middle Right. And he can chastise both sides for not cooperating for the Common Good, too.
By not being from the Center, Obama doesn't have to compromise to special interests, lobbyists, or campaign donors. He can appeal to the majority. And he can adhere to what is in the best interests of all Americans above his Party.
"A house divided can't stand" the man said. No wonder Obama admires Lincoln so much.
Sorry for the long post, but I think it's important that we realize how lucky we are to have found our way back to common ground with all Americans...and how it happened.
It's time to make diner.
Happy President's Day to all who visit the DNC blog.
That should tell you asshat pelicians something, he was reelected.
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chassie
So was George W. Bush. On the other hand, James Earl Carter was not. That should tell YOU something.
I see the petty comments continue without pause here once again.
Sally thats your big problem, your always looking backwards, like a typical pug, instead of looking forward, no body gives a shit about a old President Carter but your stupid as stupid does, got it? Sell that story to the young idiot, they are the ones that is going to drive this country forward, not backwards, got that?
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chassie on February 16, 2009 at 05:19 PM
It is important to look back to the source of our problems and two of our biggest go straight back to Jimmy frickin Carter. His Community Reinvestment act is the source of the housing problems and his failure to confront Iran when they trashed our embassy and held the staff hostage is what convinced the terrorists that America could be pushed around. And they had been doing it ever since until George W Bush responded.
The war on needs to be stopped. It was started by nixon in the 1970's and has cost this country billions of dollars. I heard on NPR today that the state of Virginia alone spends enough on each person incarcerated to send one person to college.
Why have we let the asshole republicans lead us down this path. We have been through this before when in 1919 the asshole repukes gave us Prohibition and that cost many many lives and many many dollars.
It is time to get away from the dictatorial repukes who have ruined our lives many time before.
No wonder we have no sinlge payer health care, seniors being ripped off by the senior care industry, people in the lower rungs who can't afford college.
GROW UP REPUBLICANS AND QUIT RUINING OUR LIVES WITH YOUR PETTY BULLSHIT WARS.
The war on needs to be stopped. It was started by nixon in the 1970's and has cost this country billions of dollars. I heard on NPR today that the state of Virginia alone spends enough on each person incarcerated to send one person to college.
Why have we let the asshole republicans lead us down this path. We have been through this before when in 1919 the asshole repukes gave us Prohibition and that cost many many lives and many many dollars.
It is time to get away from the dictatorial repukes who have ruined our lives many time before.
No wonder we have no sinlge payer health care, seniors being ripped off by the senior care industry, people in the lower rungs who can't afford college.
GROW UP REPUBLICANS AND QUIT RUINING OUR LIVES WITH YOUR PETTY BULLSHIT WARS.
120LincolnParkLiberal on February 16, 2009 at 07:12 PM
Swirley all i got to say to you is FY, And ESAD.
I know DoPeyDoodle will be getting one of these if he doesn't have one already.
The war on needs to be stopped. It was started by nixon in the 1970's and has cost this country billions of dollars. I heard on NPR today that the state of Virginia alone spends enough on each person incarcerated to send one person to college.
Why have we let the asshole republicans lead us down this path. We have been through this before when in 1919 the asshole repukes gave us Prohibition and that cost many many lives and many many dollars.
It is time to get away from the dictatorial repukes who have ruined our lives many time before.
No wonder we have no sinlge payer health care, seniors being ripped off by the senior care industry, people in the lower rungs who can't afford college.
GROW UP REPUBLICANS AND QUIT RUINING OUR LIVES WITH YOUR PETTY BULLSHIT WARS.
chassie on February 16, 2009 at 06:04 PM
chassie,
imho, Clinton governed from the Center and it forced him to go along with a lot of things that hurt this country.
In his efforts to get something done without a Democratic Congress, he went along with the Republicans on special interest legislation like NAFTA that was unfair to the American worker and American businesses. And similarly, he signed those deregulation bills that hurt the American consumer. Both decisions hurt our economy.
Clinton forgot that as president of all the people he was suppose to protect the majority. He had the veto but neglected to use it when it was really important. I believe he is a good man. But he got caught up in thinking about his legacy instead of his duty.
We are all flawed human beings. We make mistakes. Perhaps it's time for Clinton to start facing his?
I think Hillary faced them in her primary campaign and became a stronger candidate because of it. It's why so many Democrats began to genuinely see her as a leader and how she overcame that horrible hatred that the Republicans had bestowed on her for so many years among the Reagan Democrats.
Secretary Clinton could become a role model for Bill, if he ever figures it out.
bbl.
Correction, all i got to say to any of you ass hat pugs is FY, And ESAD.
The war on needs to be stopped. It was started by nixon in the 1970's and has cost this country billions of dollars. I heard on NPR today that the state of Virginia alone spends enough on each person incarcerated to send one person to college.
Why have we let the asshole republicans lead us down this path. We have been through this before when in 1919 the asshole repukes gave us Prohibition and that cost many many lives and many many dollars.
It is time to get away from the dictatorial repukes who have ruined our lives many time before.
No wonder we have no sinlge payer health care, seniors being ripped off by the senior care industry, people in the lower rungs who can't afford college.
GROW UP REPUBLICANS AND QUIT RUINING OUR LIVES WITH YOUR PETTY BULLSHIT WARS.
Obama Spending $Millions to Import Palestinians
Your tax dollar is hard at work, importing Palestinian victims of Israeli aggression so that we can set up our own Gaza Strips. From the office of the Moonbat Messiah:
Memorandum for the Secretary of State
By the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, including section 2(c)(1) of the Migration and Refugee Assistance Act of 1962 (the "Act"), as amended (22 U.S.C. 2601), I hereby determine, pursuant to section 2(c)(1) of the Act, that it is important to the national interest to furnish assistance under the Act in an amount not to exceed $20.3 million from the United States Emergency Refugee and Migration Assistance Fund for the purpose of meeting unexpected and urgent refugee and migration needs, including by contributions to international, governmental, and nongovernmental organizations and payment of administrative expenses of Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration of the Department of State, related to humanitarian needs of Palestinian refugees and conflict victims in Gaza.
If Palestinians would elect Hamas, they should be a highly reliable Democrat constituency — especially once they get their mouths on the teat of the recently supercharged welfare state. Why should Israelis have all the thrill and excitement of watching suicide bombers go off on crowded streets?
Secretary Clinton could become a role model for Bill, if he ever figures it out.
bbl.
127SandyH on February 16, 2009 at 07:32 PM
Sandy i think that he is getting there, i think that they are the greatest, and one of the smartest couples, that this country will ever see.
What did Kennedy ever do to get in the top 10 Presidents? Other than being shot in the head.
Johne good evening to you, if your computor is acting up like mine on this blog, when you post and it acts like it is sticking, just press the esc button, and it will post then go to preview and it will be there. Hope this helps.
What did Kennedy ever do to get in the top 10 Presidents? Other than being shot in the head.
137Sally-* on February 16, 2009 at 07:42 PM
A hell of lot more then you did to get in the bottom 2.
Johne boy, are you getting an error message or why all the repeats?
What did Kennedy ever do to get in the top 10 Presidents? Other than being shot in the head.
137Sally-* on February 16, 2009 at 07:42 PM
A hell of lot more then you did to get in the bottom 2.
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chassie on February 16, 2009 at 07:53 PM
I was never the President dillweed.
HUM dill weed, sounds like sour pickles like you as swipe.
Chassie,
The blog has constipation. It either sticks and won't post then it shits out all the extra messages.
Jacq are you lurking, i need someone to admonish me, and make me behave.
106chassie on February 16, 2009 at 05:44 PM
g'evening, chassie. I don't lurk. when I'm on, I post. when I'm gone, I'm living my 3-D life. gutters cleaned, car washed, nice supper cooked, dishes done...life is good.
1 Peter 2:13-17
13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority,
14 or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right.
15 For such is the will of God that by doing right you may silence the ignorance of foolish men.
16 [Act] as free men, and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, but [use it] as bondslaves of God.
17 Honor all men; love the brotherhood, fear God, honor the king.
If Palestinians would elect Hamas, they should be a highly reliable Democrat constituency — especially once they get their mouths on the teat of the recently supercharged welfare state. Why should Israelis have all the thrill and excitement of watching suicide bombers go off on crowded streets?
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Sally-* on February 16, 2009 at 07:35 PM
One too many of those bulldozers made here at Caterpillar drove over too many homes up in Gaza. One too many hours spent getting harassed at the checkpoints in the was they put up around Gaza, to deal with the terrorists created by displaced people from the bulldozers. One too many Palestinians held in their prison for no apparent reason other than intimidation. But that's how it goes when your belief is that all who are not the right kind of race are your natural enemy. But never mind any of this - role the tape with the rockets...that way we can see what we have been told to believe...like 9/11.....you can't have a large military industrial complex without an enemy...
Johne we moved from the Thread that had over a 1000 Posts to this one it was not acting like this one.
It was much more functional, maybe we should move back to the other thread. We moved here on acct. of the ones on dial up.
how are you, john?
no fireplace, or else I would have split the wood, stacked it sturdy, and brought some in to start the fire.
we plan on adding a fireplace when we remodel the garage to a living room in the next couple of years.
Conyers Goes After Sheriff Joe
Members of the previous administration aren't the only ones the corrupt leftist thug and Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee John Conyers wants taken to task for countermoonbattery. Now he's after Joe Arpaio, the Arizona sheriff who has heroically stood up to liberal quislings as he defends the Phoenix area from Mexican colonization.
Specifically, Arpaio is charged with racism, because being mainly Hispanic, the invaders he rounds up are above the laws of the white man. This is the equivalent of charging Douglas MacArthur with racism for fighting Asians.
Surprisingly, the federal government has actually allowed Arpaio to do his job and arrest the illegal aliens who are turning Phoenix into a war zone. But with Crappy Nappy Napolitano in charge of Homeland Security and Conyers whining to the skeevy pro-terrorist Attorney General about Sheriff Joe, this policy is unlikely to last.
I was never the President dillweed.
no fireplace, or else I would have split the wood, stacked it sturdy, and brought some in to start the fire.
we plan on adding a fireplace when we remodel the garage to a living room in the next couple of years.
152Esmeralda on February 16, 2009 at 08:06 PM
Jacq don't waste your money, on a fireplace been there and done that you will not gain nothing except headaches, the price of a fireplace, and a insert,or a woodstove, chainsaws, spiting wood, cutting wood, maintance on the chain saw, which takes constant maintance, and fuel and oil. Not to mention all of the hard work accociated with it. They might be romantic but that is all there good for.
Fromm on February 16, 2009 at 08:04 PM
Well, I hope they move these fine murderous slugs to your neighborhood.
Oh Jacq, and i forgot to mention, that a lot of insurance companies charge extra insurance for a fireplace, or a wood burner, because they are a Fire hazard.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1879667,00.html
Why the 2010 Census Stirs Up Partisan Politics
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/02/15/news/ML-Mideast-US.php
Senator John Kerry says US eager to talk to Syria
CNN is now telling us what AIPAC wants us to believe about the Taliban and Pakistan - start the story again in postmodern Orwellian style - get us all buying into this next war...
Who has been destabilizing Pakistan....is there oil there???....
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7705
The CNN group reminds me a skit Garrison Keillor once did...how bad is it in Really Really Bad?
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ic86cBe1SwCUZhGti8kTKw4JuIPQ
China, US to resume military talks: report
Fromm on February 16, 2009 at 08:04 PM
Well, I hope they move these fine murderous slugs to your neighborhood.
Hey - we agree on something!
Essie, Chassie,
We have a wood pellet stove with a large window so we can see the fire. It does a pretty good job heating the house. In the midwest they have corn stoves which burn dried corn. The stoves seem pretty efficient.
The only work involved is carrying in the 40 pound bags of pellets and pouring them in the stove. The stove goes through a bag in two days keeping it on low. It has a built-in fan. My builder put a vent in the ceiling of the room and bought some of that cheep flexible aluminum foil pipe and a blower and heats other parts of the house.
Check it out.
I'll take your concern into consideration, marv. it will be a couple of years, and we may change our minds.
here's one for the road to slumber:
Isaiah 28:16
So this is what the Sovereign Lord says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation; the one who trusts will never be dismayed."
Whenever God calls us into a consecrated life, it is made up of four distinct stages. Christ often compared this process to building a house. First, we must prepare to build by laying a foundation. That foundation is none other than Jesus Christ Himself. Any foundation other than Christ will not stand.
Second, as we enter a walk of faith with God, He allows each of us to experience trials, testings, miracles, and challenges in life that are designed to provide "faith experiences" that demonstrate tangible evidences of His work in our life: Moses' burning-bush experience, Peter's walk on the water, Joshua's parting of the Jordan River. These experiences built the faith of these people. The depth and width of our calling is directly proportional to the faith experiences He allows in each of our lives. If God plans an international ministry with you, chances are you will experience a higher degree of faith experiences compared to another. The reason is, you will need to look on these to ensure your calling and provide testimony to His work in your life.
The third stage deals with motives. "All a man's ways seem innocent to him, but motives are weighed by the Lord" (Prov. 16:2). What is the motive behind my actions? Is it only financial accumulation? Is it to gain control? Is it to create independence? The primary motive must be God's leading you to take such an action-it must be obedience. These other factors must be by-products of the decision.
Finally, we are prepared to take action. Here we must ask, "Do we have the skill, quality, and ability to enter into this activity?" So often we have not trained ourselves adequately to be successful in our endeavor. You would never want someone working on your teeth who had not been trained and certified as a dentist.
Before you begin your next project, ask yourself these four questions. What is the foundation this project is based on? What experiences has God demonstrated in my life that indicate His involvement? What is my motive for entering this activity? Do I have the skill, quality, and ability to accomplish the task? Answering these questions will tell you whether God will bless your activity.
Enjoy the evening, everyone.
Night Night Jacq, look out for those horns in the wild, you hear.
Gawd, when will we get going on Global Warming and fix it??/
The Tropics on Fire: Scientist's Grim Vision of Global Warming
ahhh, coleman, just give it up and go away ! ya jerk
In Blow to Coleman, Judges in Minnesota Senate Trial Say Absentee Ballot Problems Not Widespread
Evneing Pam,
Coleman and the rest of the pugs need to quit being such jerks and grow up. THEY LOST AND THEY ARE NEVER GOING TO BE IN POWER AGAIN, EVER!
Pam,
Some years ago scientists were concerned that cutting of the rain forests would deal a serious blow to our air supply. Trees give off Oxygen and absorb Carbon Dioxide.
The only other source of Oxygen is the ocean which apparently is also developing problems with dead zones which are growing in size and number.
It is pretty scary. Global warming is real and we must deal with it. The pugs ignore the fact that global warming is happening and chide us for blaming it on human activities.
Their lives are at stake too. If they persist, I hope they and their families are the first to die a painful death because of the effects of global warmning.
Pam,
Some years ago scientists were concerned that cutting of the rain forests would deal a serious blow to our air supply. Trees give off Oxygen and absorb Carbon Dioxide.
The only other source of Oxygen is the ocean which apparently is also developing problems with dead zones which are growing in size and number.
It is pretty scary. Global warming is real and we must deal with it. The pugs ignore the fact that global warming is happening and chide us for blaming it on human activities.
Their lives are at stake too. If they persist, I hope they and their families are the first to die a painful death because of the effects of global warmning.
Johne on February 16, 2009 at 09:04 PM
Stop posting every thing twice ya flippin moron!
Hello Pam, Johne, Chassie,
These trolls are such dupes. The republican talking points tell them there is no global warming and they believe it. No real thought process. Just blind followers and grovelers. Worshiping those with money and power, hoping that if they support them blindly, they can have money and be powerful too.
Poor stupid republican dupes...if they only had a brain.
3,000 American soldiers sent to Afganistan as new surge begins. Why in the hell did we not settle this 5 years ago? Maybe sIlLy SaLlY has a sIlLy answer for U.S.?
Government By Crazy People
By Alan Caruba
It is one thing to be mistaken when developing and administering government programs. It is another to be nuts. “The trains carrying coal to power plants are death trains. Coal-fired plants are factories of death.”
Would someone please get the net and throw it over Dr. James Hansen, the Director of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies? The above is a direct quote. Recently, Dr. Hansen, the man who has the dubious distinction of predicting back in 1988 to a congressional committee that we were all going to die from global warming, had an insane diatribe published in The Guardian, a liberal newspaper published in Great Britain.
“A year ago, I wrote to Gordon Brown asking him to place a moratorium on new coal-fired plants in Britain,” wrote Dr. Hansen. “I have asked the same of Angela Merkel, Barack Obama, Kevin Rudd, and other leaders. The reason is this - coal is the single greatest threat to civilization and all life on our planet.”
On January 24, I posted a commentary, ”Coal, Glorious Coal”, on the website of The National Anxiety Center, my clearinghouse for information about “scare campaigns” designed to influence public policy and opinion. You can read it here. I noted that Stephen Chu, the Secretary of Energy, is on record saying, “Coal is my worst nightmare” and pointed out that coal provides over 50% of all the electricity in the nation. At least Dr. Chu isn’t writing to the leaders of Europe telling them that the entire human race is doomed if they don�t shut down all the coal-fired plants producing electricity. Well, not yet. But Dr. Hansen is.
By contrast, Dr. Roger Pielke, Jr. is the former director of the University of Colorado’s Center for Science and Technology Policy Research and an associate professor of environmental studies. He is a scientist with the Environmental and Societal Impacts Group at the National Center for Atmospheric Research. Together with Radford Byerly, Jr, he was the editor of ”Prediction: Science, Decision Making, and the Future of Nature” published in 2000. His PhD is in political science.
“Hansen’s argument includes,” noted Dr. Pielke, “his complaint that policy makers have not followed his advice, which apparently, Hansen believes should take precedent over all other views. Indeed, he dismisses the views of the public as being too poorly informed, too distracted or unsophisticated to contribute to decision making on the climate issue.”
Meanwhile, poll after poll, indicates that the public has concluded in ever growing numbers that global warming is pure hogwash. I recently wrote about a paper by a leading authority on “Narcissistic Personality Disorder” who concluded that President Obama gives ample evidence of it. One might conclude that Dr. Hansen has the same problem. Indeed, Dr. Pielke said that Hansen’s commentary “swerves from scientific authoritarianism to megalomania.” Anyone who can write that “Coal is the single greatest threat to civilization and all life on our planet” is surely irrational and in need of the same sequestration that Hansen wants for carbon dioxide.
The problem for the rest of us is that people like Dr. Hansen, Secretary Chu, and all of President Obama’s science and environmental advisers hold genuinely crazy ideas about coal, oil, solar and wind energy, biofuels, and global warming that will be implemented as government policy and law.
It is worth noting that perhaps the looniest of the whole bunch, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, recently said, “The new Administration is stopping the headlong rush to open offshore areas of drilling”, commending Secretary of the Interior, Ken Salazar for “wisely initiating a review of the potential that offshore renewable energy projects can proceed in an environmentally-responsible manner.” In other words, the 85% of the nation�s continental coast will continue to remain unexplored and untapped for the billions of barrels of oil and natural gas it is estimated to contain.
Try to square this up with the Administration’s claim that it wants America to become more “energy independent.” You can’t because the two statements are diametrically opposed. That’s why only crazy people can keep two such opposing ideas in their heads at the same time. Meanwhile, absolutely nothing stopped the “headlong rush” to pass the most massive spending bill in the history of the nation with Speaker Pelosi leading the charge along with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. This isn’t the way our government is supposed to function. This is the real threat to the lives and welfare of all Americans.
3,000 American soldiers sent to Afganistan as new surge begins. Why in the hell did we not settle this 5 years ago? Maybe sIlLy SaLlY has a sIlLy answer for U.S.?
175Take_A_Troll_Down_Memory_Lane on February 16, 2009 at 09:24 PM
I'm not silly Sally, but I think I know the answer. Is it because George W. Bush is a stupid idiot who thought it was more important to invade a country that had nothing to do with 9/11?
Global Cooling Continues
By James M. Taylor,
Continuing a decade-long trend of declining global temperatures, the year 2008 was significantly colder than 2007, and global temperatures for the year were below the average over the past 30 years. The global temperature data, reported by NASA satellite-based temperature measurements, refuted predictions 2008 would be one of the warmest on record.
Data show 2008 ranked 14th coldest of the 30 years measured by NASA satellite instruments since they were first launched in 1979. It was the coldest year since 2000.
Satellite Precision
NASA satellites uniformly monitor the Earth�s lower atmosphere, which greenhouse gas theory predicts will show the first and most significant effects of human-caused global warming. The satellite-based measurements are uncorrupted by urban heat islands and localized land-use changes that often taint records from surface temperature stations, giving false indications of warming.
The uncorrupted satellite-based temperature measurements refute surface temperature station data finding 2008 to be one of the top 10 warmest years on record. “How can an ‘average year’ in one database appear to be a [top 10] warmest year in another?” asked meteorologist Joe D’Aleo on his International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project Web site.
“The global databases of [surface station reports] are all contaminated by urbanization, major station dropout, missing data, bad siting, instruments with known warm biases being introduced without adjustment, and black-box and man-made adjustments designed to maximize [reported] warming,” explained D’Aleo.
Warming Trend Overstated
“The substantial and continuing La Nina cooled the Earth quite a bit in 2008, to the point that it was slightly below the 30-year average [1979-2008] but slightly above the 20-year average [1979-1998],” said John Christy, distinguished professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville (UAH).
“From research we have published, and more to come soon, we find that land surface air temperatures misrepresent the actual temperature changes in the deep atmosphere - where the greenhouse effect is anticipated to have its easiest impact to measure. Surface thermometers are affected by many influences, especially surface development, so the bulk atmospheric measurements from satellites offer a straightforward indicator of how much heat is or is not accumulating in the air, for whatever reason,” Christy explained.
“Recent published evidence also supports the long-term trends of UAH as being fairly precise, so the observed rate of warming is noticeably less than that projected by the IPCC ‘Best Estimate’ model simulations which, we hypothesize, are too sensitive to CO2 increases,” Christy added.
Chicago,
The trolls remind me of the Wizard of Oz, they are missing a brain a heart and courage.
The way they act, there is not much chance that they will ever come out ahead.
175Take_A_Troll_Down_Memory_Lane * Because Poor old confused george and mcnuttin had 'em cornered right were they wanted them and wanted to make a quick dash to neiboring Iraqi oil feilds before the taliban could cross back over into Iran? I know it sounds "confuzin" but it made sence to ol george and mcnuttin.
Some global warming scientists are stupid.
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance then baffle them with bullshit.
sally all the post you vut and past our just nonsense do understand any of this or do you have ask margie your gf
Chicago on February 16, 2009 at 09:27 PM
3,000 American soldiers sent to Afganistan as new surge begins. Why in the hell did we not settle this 5 years ago?
Dear Chicago,
There is ongoing money to be made here. Take a look from the Canadian perspective and see what you think.
Putting Fuel on the Afghan Drug Trade Fire
by Scott Taylor
Global Research, February 11, 2009
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12267
Why Are Canadians Dying in Afghanistan? For Oil?
by John W. Warnock
Global Research, November 16, 2006
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=3891
Poppies in Afghanistan - more oil next door in Pakistan.
What? sIlLySaLlY doesn't have a answer? Thanks Chicago & Trinity. God protect our boys and girls over there!!!! And be damned to all those who got U.S. stuck in this stupid ass clown mess of a boondoggle!!
sally why don't tap the oil on the 66 million acers of land before we go the united shores
is anybody here or im alone with the nasty disgusting trolls
GM has their hand out again for another hand out of our money.
Here is the potential other side of solving things in the bigger equation of Pakistan - namely - build the car that takes us off of Middle East oil....
If we bail out GM some more and they build more crappy little 35 mile per gallon tin cans for $11,000...instead of hydrogen electric hybrids...then we will be still hooked on the internal combustion engine...hello Pakistan...
Read - Edwin Black -
why dont kep with japaness 1oo miles to gallon and europe over 5o miles to gallon
187Fromm Right on. It seams the message keeps eluding them tho Froom. 35 mpg is a joke, Hydrogen Electric Hybrids should be Now, Not Later
Evening Fromm,
I think it was Thom Hartman today who said that China is going to start producing a plug-in electric vehicle. It appears that they will start importing them to the U.S.
GM was testing an electric car and had a couple of prototypes driving all over the country testing them.
All of a sudden they announced they were done with the testing and crushed the cars.
How stupid can one corporation get?
We are going to end up importing electric cars from China unless GM, Ford and Chrysler get with it and start pushing electric or Hydrogen cars.
Arnold in California and I believe Washington State is installing Hydrogen stations all over the place and there are Hydrogen vehicles on the road. Why the foot dragging by Detroit.
They deserve to go out of business if they can't produce a car that gets us off the internal combustion engine.
I think it was about twenty years ago or more that some city was using and testing Hydrogen powered buses.
The repukes and the oil companies squelch everything that doesn't sell oil and keep us in endless wars protecting the oil companies.
It is way past time for change. Further production of internal combustion engines should be banned and the repukes told to shove it because they have been blocking government actions that would force Detroit to get into the 21st century.
Tesla in California is producing a plug-in electric car that can go 240 miles without a charge. It would be perfect for a large percentage of Americans. Why aren't they being encouraged? They were going to build a plant in New Mexico but decided to build closer to their headquarters in Silicon Valley in California.
Electric Hybrids would solve many of the tough issues we face in the 21st century
the republicans are investing in failure.
and their own failure will be their reward.
It is downright criminal that we have people like rash blimpballs praising hummers and how we have a right to drive gas hogs. After all oil just bubbles up from the center of the earth and there is an endless supply. Yeh right. What a moron.
Then we have the repuke congress giving rich people a tax break if they buy a gas hog hummer.
How much more crap are we going to take from these freaks?
187Fromm - 190Johne Teslamotors - 220 Miles Per Charge - http://www.teslamotors.com/
I find this disturbing and more than a little bit unchristian...excuse me for not including those not of my faith in this assessment. I assume any person of conscience would be also disturbed by this article.
Attack of the Killer Robots
By Eric Stoner
‘You don’t want your defenses to bankrupt you. If it costs $100,000 to defeat a $500 roadside bomb, that doesn’t sound like such a good strategy—as pretty as it may look on YouTube.’
One of the most captivating storylines in science fiction involves a nightmarish vision of the future in which autonomous killer robots turn on their creators and threaten the extinction of the human race. Hollywood blockbusters such as Terminator and The Matrix are versions of this cautionary tale, as was R.U.R. (Rossum’s Universal Robots), the 1920 Czech play by Karel Capek that marked the first use of the word “robot.”
In May 2007, the U.S. military reached an ominous milestone in the history of warfare—one that took an eerie step toward making this fiction a reality. After more than three years of development, the U.S. Army’s 3rd Infantry Division based south of Baghdad, deployed armed ground robots.
Although only three of these weaponized “unmanned systems” have hit Iraq’s streets, to date, National Defense magazine reported in September 2007 that the Army has placed an order for another 80.
A month after the robots arrived in Iraq, they received “urgent material release approval” to allow their use by soldiers in the field. The military, however, appears to be proceeding with caution.
According to a statement by Duane Gotvald, deputy project manager of the Defense Department’s Robotic Systems Joint Project Office, soldiers are using the robots “for surveillance and peacekeeping/guard operations” in Iraq. By all accounts, robots have not fired their weapons in combat since their deployment more than a year and a half ago.
But it is only a matter of time before that line is crossed...
Mechanized militaries, however, put greater emphasis on protecting their own soldiers. Consequently, Lyall and Wilson argue in their study that such forces lack the information necessary to use force discriminately, and therefore, “often inadvertently fuel, rather than suppress, insurgencies.”
Given such findings, deploying armed robots in greater numbers in Iraq or Afghanistan would likely only enflame resistance to the occupation, and, in turn, lead to greater carnage.
To understand this point, put yourself in the shoes of an Iraqi or Afghani. How could seeing a robot with a machine gun rumble down your street or point its weapon at your child elicit any reaction other than one of terror or extreme anger? What would you do under such circumstances? Who would not resist? And how would you know that someone is controlling the robot?...
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/4243/attack_of_the_killer_robots/
Something is really unnatural about the way this country is approaching the rest of the world.
Not only did we stop using diplomacy, curtail nuclear treaties, and proffer bogus intel at the U.N. as an excuse to invade another country, we are now starting to defend ourselves without any human contact involved.
What must the rest of the world think of these developments which have grown dramatically during the last eight years? Everyone knows we were the first and last to use an atomic bomb. If we continue to experiment with weapons that only kill from afar, does it potentially isolated us from the rest of the civilized world which could see this as an attempt to detach ourselves from responsibility for our actions?
I know President Obama has Secretary Clinton and other diplomats working on the diplomatic front. He has already declared that he wants to renew talks about nuclear proliferation. But the President still has some of Bush's military advisers in control of the Pentagon including Secretary Gates who probably had knowledge in not something to do with authorizing the use of those robots in Iraq...supposedly as an experiment?
Whether Secretary Gates had anything to do with the decision to develop more robotization to our arsenal of military weaponry or not, it most certainly signals that there needs to be a national debate conducted about these humanly-detached weapons. Our government is crossing a line before analyzing whether that is where we as a people really want to go.
Citizens have a responsibility to keep watch over the direction in which their leadership and military move. It is our decision not theirs as to what we do in relation to other countries and how we will be perceived by friend and foe in the future.
It's imperative that American citizens become more involved in the political process and get better informed of what is going many times without our knowledge. It would help tremendously if we had an independent free press investigating what some in the Pentagon has taken great pains to keep secret from us.
The Pentagon developed a huge propaganda machine to divert our attention from what they and the Bush administration was doing. That needs to end immediately.
If we bail out GM some more and they build more crappy little 35 mile per gallon tin cans for $11,000...instead of hydrogen electric hybrids...then we will be still hooked on the internal combustion engine...hello Pakistan...
It is way past time for change. Further production of internal combustion engines should be banned and the repukes told to shove it because they have been blocking government actions that would force Detroit to get into the 21st century...
Electric Hybrids would solve many of the tough issues we face in the 21st century...
It is downright criminal that we have people like rash blimpballs praising hummers and how we have a right to drive gas hogs. After all oil just bubbles up from the center of the earth and there is an endless supply. Yeh right. What a moron.
Then we have the repuke congress giving rich people a tax break if they buy a gas hog hummer...
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I agree with all of you. It's insane to continue shackling ourselves to a technology that is fading and which making us dependent on Islamic radicals...some of which now have control of a government with over a hundred atomic bombs.
But that is what the oil multinationals are pushing their Republican puppets to do. The GOP is an organization of fools.
195SandyH - I can agree with you on a certain level Sandy, but we still need to have a cutting edge with defense for our own sake. We do not want to fall asleep at the wheel in protecting our country or our own soldiers. But we do not need to use foreign soil as a play ground for our space toys. I'm certain other entity's are working on similar cloaked projects.
why dont flush the freak down the toilet like sally swrily cactus and neocon
why dont flush the freak down the toilet like sally swrily cactus and neocon
Memory Lane,
It's one thing to protect our forces and develop advanve technologies. It's another thing to use that as an excuse to act in an emotionless way toward other human beings.
Do we want to become the robots that we build?
Lord forbid a big brother like another little bush comes along and uses it on ourselves Hey!
Someone programmed Spunky wrong?
I want to finish a book. Catch you all later.
Good night, all.
200SandyH Do we want to become the robots that we build? - You mean like uncle dick the cyborg
Memory Lane,
We think in similar ways, no?
Wish I had time to continue to talk tonight and not other things to do. We'll meet here again soon I'm sure.
Good night.
Here is how Obama's stimulus bill will work.
http://www.cagwh.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/government-snow-plow.gif
Here is an ad that is running in Minnesota from the Citizens Against the Global Warming Hoaax. Pretty effective I'd say.
Global Warming
A Hoax?
That would be a joke, it is a scam, Money is being made.
Gore is a criminal, a common theif
thaT HOw bush DId it for TAX CUts FOR THE rich the same way
Why you called dusty?
You dont use your mind and it is dusty?
i do use my my mind why do ask so i tell lies to use my mind
You use your dusty mind to tell lies?
You are a bad man?
no im good man i tell the truth but the trolls are bad men they lie all the time
I think the one with dusty mind a bad bad man.
Its a very cold winter Gore is taking money for lies.
He is a devil man No bueno per shit.
no i think EL_MEXICAN_D_MANY ON is troll only trools are bad men like you
hi sally your being stupid troll again you change names faster then we change president
Gore steal a sack of money from monks He is a very bad man.
Gore needs to go to jail for a long time.
and bush stole from american people to give to the rich
bush needs to go to jail for a long time.
Why you talk about bush he is no more.
Because you know Gore is no bueno can not talk for him.
bush can still be sent to jail in our court of law
gore has not stole anything it only in your mind or cactus
bush bush bush
Thats all you say dusty mind.
I talk about Gore stealing You are silly in the head.
but gore is not stealing it all in your head he one good guys
I not live in Mexico You dont like mexicans white boy?
You think I belong in Mexico because of my name?
I am a Mexican American.
no but think bush stole more then then you claim gore did
i didint say that at all your idioit to think that because i dont like bush and lie about gore
ah dusty, I hope you didn´t run off our new mexican friend
Hey old squirrel face one! No comment on Obama canceling Clinton's welfare reform? You used to tout that as one of Clinton's successes. What the heck is going on?
I wonder if any of you are keeping track of Obama's vacation time as you did with Bush. You counted it as vacation for Bush when he went home to TX for Thanksgiving. Obama has been in office for less than a month and already has taken 2 vacations. One to Hawaii and one to camp David.
They wouldn't give the nation a chance to read and review that dopey Porkulus Bill because It must be done now and there was no time to waste. That was Friday and tomorrow is Tuesday and that is when Obama is going to get around to signing it.
Apparently there were 4 days available for the people to find out what was in that incredibly stupid bill.
But at least, thanks to Nancy Pelosi, the San Francisco swamp mice will be fine at a cost of only $30,000,000.00 And Harry Reid will be able to go to Los Angeles on a high speed train at a cost of only $8,000,000,000.00.
The American people will not put up with that sort of crap for long. Especially when there is another terrorist attack as there most certainly will be. There will be a new American revolution. The present government, even before Obama, was more onerous then the one the citizens overthrew in the first American revolution. A 1% tea tax is what pushed the envelope that time.
Six Reasons Deficits Will Doom The Dems In 2010
Throughout his first term, Obama will be constantly pushing truly massive new spending projects. More banking bailouts, the auto bailout, bailouts for other industries, socialized medicine, pork ridden budgets, global warming funds -- it goes on and on. If Republicans oppose those very same massive spending projects, they can make that the core of their campaign in 2010.
Now, some people would say that won't work for three reasons:
1) The American people don't care about pork projects. It is true that few representatives are ever going to lose a state or a district because they voted for too much spending.
But, and this a big but -- what's good for a particular politician on the micro level can be extremely damaging for a political party on a macro level if the behavior spreads.
Put another way, people don't mind when THEIR representative brings home a "Bridge to Nowhere," but boy do they hate the idea of OTHER PEOPLE benefiting from government largesse.
Moreover, with the Democrats in charge, these big spending bills will inevitably be incredibly wasteful and full of corrupt "one hand washes the other" spending. That sort of obscene corruption and grotesque back scratching certainly isn't going to be what most Americans thought Barack meant when he said he was going to "change the way Washington works" and they will be offended by it.
2) The Republicans have no credibility on deficit spending after the Bush years. The GOP's reputation in this area certainly took a huge, much deserved hit during the Bush years.
However, A) Obama is going to be the biggest spending President in American history by far and B) People are going to pay a lot more attention to what happens in 2009 and 2010 than what happened between 2001-2008. If the GOP continues to oppose these wasteful bills as the Democrats continue to support them, the American people will give credit where credit is due for fiscal conservatism. Do keep in mind though, even if the GOP turns into a party-full of Jim DeMints and John Shadeggs, it will take several months for it to fully sink in with the American public after the poor performance of the Bush years.
3) If the American people really cared about spending, they wouldn't have sided so heavily with the Dems in 2008. The Republicans talked a lot about cutting spending and small government issues throughout the Bush years, but they didn't walk the walk. You can't credibly run as a small government, deficit-cutting party when the government expands under your watch and spending explodes.
Granted, the Democrats were even worse, but you can only say, "We're the lesser of two evils" for so long before the voters decide to test that theory. Test it they did in 2008 and I suspect that quite a few of them are already, less than a month into the Obama administration, regretting their decisions.
In addition, there are three other things worth noting:
4) The American people are deeply suspicious of radical change, particularly if it's not bipartisan. As Barack Obama himself has said, he intends to run "trillion-dollar deficits for years to come." That is a radical and dangerous change for our nation. In fact, that sort of spending could literally become a negative turning point that our country's economy may never truly recover from.
In other words, unless we change course, we will see a day in this country when checks from the federal government won't be worth the paper they're written on and people will need wheelbarrows full of money to buy a loaf of bread. That's the future Barack Obama is creating for our children and if Republicans continue to raise the alarm about this, it will absolutely scare the American people to death -- and with good reason. There are many nations that have been bankrupted by irresponsible government policies and Barack Obama is following in their footsteps.
5) People can understand the problem with deficit spending. There are a lot of political issues the American people have trouble fully wrapping their heads around, but deficit spending is not one of them. Every American understands what it means to operate within a budget and the consequences of running up big bills that you can't pay. They understand that they have to live within their means and the government should as well.
Typically, this issue tends to be potent with the GOP base, but not as much so with the American public. However, with Barack Obama running deficits so large that they would make a Premier of the Soviet Union blanch, the problem will soon be far too big for even the apparatchiks in the mainstream media to deny.
6) With each new spending project, public support for more spending is going to drop further. We've already had TARP, the Big 3 bailout, and now we've passed a stimulus -- and the American people are already getting very, very tired of it. From Rasmussen Reports,
While the Obama Administration is pledging up to $2.5 trillion in support for the troubled U.S. financial system, 56% of Americans oppose giving bankers any additional government money or any guarantees backed by the government.
Twenty percent (20%) support such assistance, and 24% are not sure...
...Fifty-nine percent (59%) say they oppose the $700-billion bank bailout plan that was proposed by the Bush Administration and approved by Congress early last October after the highly publicized failure of Lehman Brothers brought Wall Street's growing problems home to Main Street. Half of that money is being channeled into the new bailout plan.
Twenty percent (20%) say the first bailout plan was a good idea, and 21% are undecided.
The new numbers represent a jump in opposition to the first plan. Forty-five percent (45%) opposed it at the time it was passed, while 30% supported it. A sizable majority expected Wall Street to benefit more than taxpayers from the bailout, but those numbers also are higher now.
The plurality of Americans (46%) say the earlier bailout plan has had no impact on the U.S. economy. Thirty-six percent (36%) think it has made things worse, while just nine percent (9%) say it has helped the economy.
Note that not only do Americans strongly oppose any further bank bailouts, they've become considerably more opposed to the original TARP plan. This is not going to be an exception to the rule; it will be a trend.
That means the Democrats have a choice: continue to compulsively push ever more unpopular spending programs or give up on handing out goodies, which is about 75% of the party's appeal. The smart money would be on the former, not the latter, but either way it's good for the Republican Party.
Summary: We don't know how the economy is going to look in 2010, what all the key issues of the election will be, how popular Obama will be, how well the GOP will work together over the next two years or a number of other things.
However, it has already become very apparent that if the GOP can hold the line on spending, it will not only fire up our base and be good for the country, it will give us an enormous stick with which to savagely beat the Democrats in the 2010 elections.
Why bail out GM and Chrysler when no one bailed out Studebaker and Packard when they were making far better cars than either GM or Chrysler??
Why bail out GM and Chrysler when no one bailed out Studebaker and Packard when they were making far better cars than either GM or Chrysler??
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Sally-* on February 17, 2009 at 04:08 AM
Well Sally, that is because Ike was President then and not a corrupt Chicago sleazeball.
Obama's double game on dealing with terrorists
Notwithstanding President Obama's inaugural address ("we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals") and his initial executive orders on Guantanamo, interrogations, and CIA secret prisons -- the new president is leaving himself wiggle room on fighting terrorism. In fact, Lake argues that "there are a growing number of reasons to suspect that Obama will not be quite as liberal on these matters as his rhetoric might have suggested [and] his supporters might have hoped. . . "
For example, Obama may have ordered the closing of Gitmo (later on) and suspended all military tribunals there, but that doesn't mean that all the 243 prisoners will end up in civilian courts. Leon Panetta testified at his confirmation hearing that a cabinet-level review of the cases will determine "what prisoners can be tried, what prisoners can be transferred, what do you do with those prisoners who can neither be tried or transferred for some reason and what will happen with them."
Panetta also distanced himself from the impression (created by Obama's rhetoric) that the U.S. will only use interrogation techniques found in the Army Field Manual. Senator Bond, for one, announced that he was supporting Panetta in part because he had "committed to ... exploring the use of enhanced interrogation techniques on high-value detainees that may warrant going beyond the Army Field Manual in certain situations."
Even when it comes to renditions, Lake reports that, in the words of the former CIA general counsel who has worked with the Obama administration, there is no "seismic shift in policy." According to this source, "the United States will send individuals to other states, and, if those states have a questionable record on human rights, then we will not only seek assurances as we have in the past, but. . .be more rigorous on following up on those assurances." In all likelihood, says Lake, this means that we will still send prisoners to jails in Egypt and Jordan.
It is curious that Obama is exaggerating his differences with Republicans on these issues. For one thing, he promised to be a post-partisan who focuses on common ground rather than on what divides. More to the point, President Bush's tough policies for dealing with terrorists was, in the end, perhaps the only major aspect of Bush administration policy that Americans liked.
Obama may be distancing from Bush anti-terrorism policy mainly for purposes of foreign consumption. But if Obama believes that even a sharp break with Bush policy (as opposed to his marginal re-positioning) will cause foreign governments to, say, provide more help in Afghanistan or take Gitmo detainees, he will likely to be quite disappointed. Foreign governments act the way they do based on their perceived interests. Complaints about this or that American policy are merely pretexts and can always be replaced by other excuses.
Good Morning Doo! I'll repost this quote - I'm liking this alot these days:
"Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservative."
John Stuart Mill
Good morning all (except right wing nut trolls of course).
GOP Governors at least don't all have their heads up their behinds like the Gee-Ohh-Pee Congressional Reps:
Obama Gains G.O.P. Support From Governors
WASHINGTON - President Obama must wish governors could vote in Congress: While just three of the 219 Republican lawmakers backed the $787 billion economic recovery plan that he is signing into law on Tuesday, that trifling total would have been several times greater if support among the 22 Republican state executives counted.
The contrast reflects the two faces of the Republican Party these days.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/16/obama-gains-gop-support-f_n_167454.html
The party of limbaugh, the party of zero, the party of NO is going to lose more seats in 2010 because the public is fed up with their obstruction.
Good morning, Obama_rocks.
Nice to have a sane person on here rather than some Sybil who posts nonsense and then responds to his own posts as if he's carrying on a conversation.
Umm, will someone tell "family values" Eric Cantor that "Back in the Saddle" is about a song about a hooker ...
The Gee-Ohh-Pee never ceases to amaze with their stupidity. Here's some suggestions on new "theme songs":
So the House Republicans are bragging about their opposition to the stimulus bill... with a video that uses Aerosmith's "Back in the Saddle"? And they're bragging about ... doing nothing? America deserves a better opposition party than that, and the opposition party deserves a more appropriate theme song.
The role of the opposition is to present different ideas, propose alternatives, challenge the party in power to think differently. You know -- all that civic stuff. Instead we get a song selection that's as poorly thought out as the party's platform. I mean, have they even listened to "Back in the Saddle"? One of its more printable lines is "four bits gets you time in the racks." That's right. Eric Cantor, the man who took Tom DeLay's old job, has just chosen for his battle cry a tune about prostitution in the Wild West.
Is this a theme song or a cry for help?
We, like the American people, are charitable and generous by nature. We therefore assume that any overtones of irony are unintentional. So, in the bipartisan spirit of the times, let's help the online community come up with a better song choice for the Republicans in Congress. (And, no ... it wouldn't be very bipartisan to suggest "Fool On the Hill.")
If the GOP wants to stay within the Aerosmith oeuvre, may we suggest "Love In An Elevator?" That's the one whose chorus summarizes our last eight years of governance: "Livin' it up while we're going dooown ..."
Or how about "Tell Her No"? Here's the chorus to that sixties nugget:
No no no no no no no no
no no no no no no no no no
no no no no no no
The word "no" is repeated 23 times. Seems appropriate, doesn't it? What's more, the group that performed it is "The Zombies," which brings to mind that persistent (though disproved) "zombie lie" that the stimulus bill will "dictate how health care is provided" (a topic we'll return to in a more serious moment).
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/aerosmith-no-way-help-the_b_167385.html
Zombies ... yeah that's about right for the Gee-Ohh-Pee, the party of limbaugh, the party of zero, the party of NO.
Morning DooBee,
I get such a kick out of the Mensa, Flapdoodle King !
first, he took the $39 he had squirreled away, and bought some gold with it! Then, he brags such a wonderful memory of the past and makes statements like this:
"What did Kennedy ever do to get in the top 10 Presidents? Other than being shot in the head."
Read and learn, Dufus Steve:
"President Kennedy's economic programs launched the country on its longest sustained expansion since World War II. He also took vigorous action in the cause of equal rights, calling for new civil rights legislation.
Shortly after his inauguration, Kennedy permitted a group of Cuban exiles to invade Cuba in an attempt to overthrow the regime of Fidel Castro. The invasion was a failure. In 1962 the Russians began to install nuclear missiles in Cuba. When this was discovered in October of 1962, Kennedy imposed a quarantine on all offensive weapons bound for Cuba. With the world on the brink of nuclear war, the Russians backed down and agreed to remove the missiles. Kennedy asserted that both the Russians and Americans had a vital interest in stopping the spread of nuclear weapons and the arms race. To this end his administration negotiated the test ban treaty of 1963.
Articles and Products of History
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John F. Kennedy
John F. Kennedy goes down in history for being the first Catholic ever elected President in the United States. JFK was the first President who was born in the 20th century, and was also the youngest man ever to take office, at age 43.
JFK’s family originated from Ireland during the great famine and settled in Boston in the 1840s. JFK’s father, Joseph P. Kennedy, was a very wealthy man. Joe Kennedy placed high expectations on his nine children, and they were strongly encouraged to reach for the stars. John F. Kennedy attended private schools and graduated from Harvard in 1940. JFK became a war hero during World War II when he saved his crew after his navy torpedo boat was sliced in half by a Japanese destroyer.
John F. Kennedy soon entered politics and served as both a congressman and senator of Massachusetts. Kennedy went on to win the Presidential election of 1960, with his wife, Jacqueline by his side. Kennedy’s youth, good looks, and brains ushered in a new season for America. JFK challenged citizens to look within themselves and “Ask not what your country can do for you–ask what you can do for your country.”
JFK’s administration is synonymous with the “New Frontier.” JFK’s administrative programs became the foundation for major growth in welfare and regulatory agencies. Civil rights, as well as business and labor unions, became the major domestic issues for Kennedy. JFK’s administration had citizens holding their breath during the space race, as well as the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Got it now, baldy?
first, he took the $39 he had squirreled away, and bought some gold with it! Then, he brags such a wonderful memory of the past and makes statements like this:
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Mornin PamB,
You mean the fool's gold he bought ...
In Praise of New Republican Leadership
There is John McCain, the Republicans' failed presidential candidate, as incapable since the election as he was before. There is John Boehner, the party's leader in the House and Ohio's own George Hamilton (the tan, not the affair with his stepmother when he was 12). We now also have Michael "Drill Baby Drill" Steele, the party's inspiration-challenged chairman, who is supposed to lead the GOP back to victory despite his own electoral incompetence. And Eric Cantor, the party's shiny new star who idolizes Newt Gingrich, presumably for shutting down the government in an ego-driven tizzy, not for leaving his cancer-ridden first wife or dumping his second one for a Congressional aide 23 years his junior.
With the kind of inept leadership that would make even Merrill Lynch shudder, the Republican Party has nowhere to go but down, even though, at 19% approval, there is not much of a cushion left. More worrisome for Republicans are their recruiting prospects: if you were, say, a bright young thing in your 20s or 30s, would you rather hitch yourself to Mitch McConnell's star or Barack Obama's? Is there anything that the Republicans have said or done in the past few months that would inspire anyone who has a choice to join their crusade to nowhere? Do you know anyone who proudly supports the GOP? Actually, do you know anyone who understands what the GOP is even about?
And that is precisely the problem: there is so little substance to the Republican Party that, like Citibank, it would wither into oblivion before merging with, say, the Alaska Independence Party, were it not too big to fail. The US electoral system is rigged so that no matter how much it deserves to disappear, the Republican Party will be propped up. It has been so for over 150 years, and is likely to remain so for another 150,000. And so we are stuck with them. This is sad because we do deserve a spirited, intelligent debate about the ominous issues that face the country and the world. Forget even about solutions to the economic crisis or any kind of practical positions on anything of importance, Republicans are unable to begin to articulate the underlying values justifying their existence. And no, "lowering taxes" and "defending traditional marriage" are NOT philosophies. The former is, at best, a means to an end, and the latter a short-term tactic.
Perhaps Republicans were inspired by Obama's enchantingly vague promises of hope and change, not realizing that behind them was a solid set of beliefs in the role of government, and a deep understanding of the American experience. The lack of foundation of the Republican Party is a bigger problem than many of us realize because it means there is no constructive opposition and, thus, little discussion of any value. A number of people are dubious about the success of the stimulus package and would have liked to see arguments from both sides about the consequences of spending close to $1 trillion, or of doing nothing. But with a moribund, intellectually lazy Republican Party, we heard little more than sniping about an earmark here and there, and a fetishistic mantra about lower taxes. What we would like to hear is what role the GOP sees for the government in a crisis of this magnitude, and what role the government could have played to prevent it. It's that simple, and until Republicans can develop coherent answers to such basic questions, they will not regain power.
For eight years, the GOP has been an ugly knot of extreme contradictions, unable to find even the slightest thread of consistency in policies that called for financial rigor but grew public spending to record levels; resisted "nation-building," but drained $25,000 from each American household to attempt to recreate a country 6,000 miles away; wanted the government out of our lives, but proceeded to try to control our conversations, our relationships and our bodies. This utter fiasco is now described by party leaders as a time during which the GOP "lost its way." America is the land of endless redemption, normally a reasonably healthy process, but right now the salvation thing is over the top: from Republican leaders to Wall Street bankers to auto industry executives, everyone seems to realize that they had "lost their way," and that this new consciousness is enough to lead them back to the righteous path. No, it's not: they are all corrupt losers who need to be replaced and sent into internal exile, or worse. It goes without saying that we need new leadership in banking and industry (and perhaps compensation caps will achieve that), but we also need strong, smart, new leadership in the GOP, no matter how much we enjoy the prospect of another Republican electoral disaster in 2010. Without an adequate opposition, there is a noxious lack of rational debate, and endless risks to the democratic process. Also, it's not fun: do we really want to be the basketball team that won 100 to 0?
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The Gee-Ohh-Pee ...a party in search of a theme song.
For the record, Packer and Studebaker merged in the 1950's and DeSoto & Kaiser merged around the same time. They were going to join with the recently merged companies of Hudson, Nash and Willy's to form what would have been the number 3 car maker, ahead of Chrysler.
The guy who put the deal together suddenly dies, and the new head of the newly named American Motors (Hudson, Willy's Nash) George Romney nixed the deal because it would have probably cost him his job, and he had the Governor's Mansion in his sights.
So due to Romney's stupidity he eventually ended up killing off all those companies.
Studebaker managed to stay in business through the mid 1960's (when Ike WASN'T the President) and AMC was eventually eaten up by Renault in the late 70s and then by Chrysler in the mid 80s because Iacocca wanted to get control of the Jeep brand, (which was the last Willy's brand in existence).
Ike wasn't President then. either.
Why bail out GM and Chrysler when no one bailed out Studebaker and Packard when they were making far better cars than either GM or Chrysler??
hmmmmm, if they were making such great cars, I wonder WHY they went out of business? Was it because no one was buying them? I barely remember Studebakers or Packards----Stevie must have owned one before he got his Edsel!
Morning all good Dems,
To return this country to its previous greatness and grow the middle class we must return our tax structure to what it was before raygun destroyed it to reward his rich evangelical friends.
The income tax rate for the top earners was 91%. This gave the government money to provide for its people unlike today.
We must also get over the neocons War on Drugs. Reducing the war on drugs we can reduce the size of our military and close a large number of the 725 military bases overseas.
Then maybe we can have single payer health care, free college for everyone, universal senior care and universal child care. Democrats must find a way to beat down the assholes who are trying to keep the American people down.
Its either this way or I predict that there will be big trouble in our grandchildrens future.
As Thom Hartman explains it, if the rich get to keep so much money they squirrel it away.
If the rich are taxed at the higher rates they will invest in America. They will invest in factories and plants and provide jobs for America. They will not "take home" so much because they will have to pay a huge tax if they don't invest it for the good of America.
This certainly makes sense to me.
Under the old tax plan, these people still took home $3,000,000 before taxes. If they can't live on the then screw them.
Obama Gains G.O.P. Support From Governors
RJ, Did you see charlie Christi almost peeing himself when Obama was down there a week ago? My Gawd, I never saw him smile so broadly, nor Fawn over anyone like he was doing with Obama! He probably has his application in for a job in the administration, too, like Judd did.
anybody watching Bristol Palin in an interview on TV this morning? She wants to be an 'advocate" for teens on pregnancy ! her advice will be: Always wear a condom when climbing into the back seat of a car with your boyfriend !
hey, when was that marriage supposed to be, anyways?
DPD,
Remember that car that came out in 1946 with three headlights. For the life of me I can't remember the name. They had on in Sutro's Museum in San Francisco till it burned. They were driven out of business by the Big Three..
Then there was the Delorean in the 1970's I believe. They too were driven out of business.
I certainly hope Tesla make it with their electric car in California. So far so good.
Otherwise we will be drining Chinese cars and the asians are such bad drivers. Just ask anyone from San Francisco.
It was the Tucker. That's what it was called. I think they made three of them.
In the 1980's they had a Delorean club in California and I saw about six of them together one time at a get together.
When I was a teenager I worked in a car junk yard. One day a man drove in with a 1938 Packard convertible. It was yellow and the engine sounded like a kitten purring. I am not sure but I think it had a straight eight engine and the hood was almost as long as the car.
Listening to C-Span callers this morning, and it just boggles the mind, listening to those calling in on the Republican line, Use the Republican Talking point, that this is a Spending bill, not a stimulus for jobs!
I TRIED to get through, to ask the question "WHERE were all these people so outraged at the spending in this bill, when Bush and Republicans spent this country into a Depression? How do they like our credit card debt to China and Japan for this illegal occupation for Nothing? Did they sleep the last 8 years?
Unfortunetly, the lines are busy.
What I have for you this morning are two photos; one of the sheriff in South Carolina and his team as they approach Michael Phelps' house to serve a warrant for bong abuse and the other of the good sheriff being given an award for refusing to dilute his natural bodily fluids with growth hormone as a child even though it meant that as a teen he had to buy shoes for the prom from a Buster Brown Holy Communion outfitter.....
http://www.boingboing.net/ 200809...00809021616.jpg
http://www.richlandonline.com/ Ne...ttAward2005.jpg
Good morning, all.
Thank goodness Democrats were in charge during WW II. You'd think the rich could afford some compassion for others in times of trouble and sacrifice even a tiny winnie bit of their vast fortunes for the Common Good? No, not them.
Calif. budget stalemate sets up fiscal calamity
By JUDY LIN, Associated Press Write
SACRAMENTO, Calif. – After a frustrating holiday weekend that failed to yield the one vote needed to end California's budget stalemate, the state is poised to begin layoff proceedings Tuesday for 20,000 government workers.
In addition to the layoffs, the state also plans to halt all remaining public works projects, potentially putting thousands of construction workers out of jobs.
"We are dealing with a catastrophe of unbelievable proportions," said state Sen. Alan Lowenthal, a Democrat from Long Beach and chairman of the Senate transportation committee.
Senate leader Darrell Steinberg announced late Monday that lawmakers had failed to find the final vote in his chamber as Republicans refused to support tax increases. He called a session for Tuesday and said he would put the tax provisions of the budget proposal up for a vote, even if they would not pass.
Steinberg warned lawmakers to bring their toothbrushes, saying they would not leave until that vote was secured.
"One member," Steinberg said. "One more member to put the interest of the state ahead of ideology and ahead of any parochial concern."
Like other states, California faces plunging tax revenue that has imperiled state services. The proposal put before lawmakers this weekend was negotiated by Schwarzenegger and the four legislative leaders and appeared to have support of the required two-thirds majority in the state Assembly.
However, it was falling one Republican vote short in the Senate, a situation that had not changed throughout a weekend marked by long hours and uncertainty over the state's future.
The plan includes $15.1 billion in program cuts, $14.4 billion in temporary tax increases and $11.4 billion in borrowing. The package also would send five ballot measures to voters in a special election to be held May 19....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090217/ap_on_re_us/california_budget
What kind of craven people are these Republicans? Can anyone find even one patriotic Republican left in this country who loves their fellow Americans over the money they must have to gamble on Ponzi schemes?
They better start reinforcing those gated communities. When those laid off construction workers start coming after them with bulldozers maybe compassion might finally set in for these uncharitable conservatives Christians?
Lord only knows. Satan has a strong grip on them.
sorry those links were incorrect, here it the sheriff getting his award for fluid purity, remember you never stand so tall as when you have to look up to help a two year old:
http://www.richlandonline.com/News/2005n/SheriffLottAward2005.jpg
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Johne on February 17, 2009 at 08:36 AM
Yup, It was before my time but it was the Tucker. It was the safest car in production at the time. GM and Ford colluded to kill it, and the factory on the south side became a prefab aluminum housing panel factory to build crappy shacks for returning WWII vets. It then became a Ford aircraft motor plant for a while and after that it sat vacant for years until being converted into a shopping mall i he late 60s.
Francis Ford Copolla is a collector, and made an excellent movie about the car company and it's eventual crushing by the goons at GM, along with the help of the Federal Government. They only made 47 of them.
Former New York City mayor and Republican presidential candidate Rudolph Giuliani is expected to endorse Christopher Christie for governor of New Jersey on Tuesday, two campaign sources said this afternoon...
so much for that bozo's political career...hey did the votes come in from florida yet? did rudy or judy win??
RJ, Did you see charlie Christi almost peeing himself when Obama was down there a week ago?
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Hi Pam,
I did indeed. Christi is a Republican but he's not dumb. Fla. is in bad shape; his state needs the help.
To return this country to its previous greatness and grow the middle class we must return our tax structure to what it was before raygun destroyed it to reward his rich evangelical friends.
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mornin JE, it's over for the right wing nuts. They are not fooling anyone (except for right wing nut trolls).
PamB on February 17, 2009 at 08:54 AM
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This is the bunch that continued to support Chimpy Bush right up to the end. Mindless zombies ... the party of no, no, no ...
Rj, did you see the article that Cheney begged, threatened, squealed over and over, right up to the day before Obama took office, for Bush to Pardon Libby, and bush wouldn't??? Cheney is furious the article says ! He must have promised little Fibby Libby, that if he took the fall for him, that he would see he got off scott free! Made me LOL......
DC Journalists Love GOP Obstructionists, But Americans Don't
Jane Hamsher
Founder, FireDogLake.com
Posted February 16, 2009 | 12:22 PM (
There appears to be a pretty big gap between what DC journalists think Americans think, and what Americans actually think. No better example of this can be found than the "winners" and "losers" that DC media are proclaiming in the wake of the passage of the stimulus bill, and what DailyKos/Research 2000 polling on the subject indicates.
DC opinion: It's good for the Republicans!
* MSNBC's First Read lists among its winners "the Republican Party (which demonstrated unity after its big losses in November), and No.2 House Republican Eric Cantor (who raised his profile during the debate)." Reid gets a win, Pelosi gets a loss.
* Chris Cillizza also declares Eric Cantor a victor for maintaining party discipline (although he tags him a loser too for the AFSME ad). Reid gets a "win" here too, and House Democrats are deemed losers, because "it appeared as though this was a Senate-run production."
* Fox News unsurprisingly says "Republican lawmakers may turn out to be winners. Most of them voted against the package, and in their largely unified opposition, they found an issue to galvanize the party after two consecutive dispiriting electoral defeats." Reid and Pelosi don't exist.
* Liz Sidoti also says the Republicans win: "Adrift after back-to-back electoral losses, they found their voice against a Democratic speaker and an expanded majority. They held to the GOP's cornerstone of fiscal conservatism as they led the effort to define the package as too costly and too quick." Likewise, Jon Boehner: "He strengthened his hold on his job, keeping his rank-and-file united against the House version." Again, Reid gets a win. She gives Pelosi and Mitch McConnell losses.
The Rest of America: "Thanks For the Help"
According to Daily Kos polling, however, the change in public opinion from a poll taken from Feb. 2-5 to the latest one taken from Feb. 9-12 indicates that Pelosi, Reid and the Democratic Party have actually gone up in public approval -- all had a net change of +2 points, while the Congressional Dems scored a +3. Conversely, Republicans went down -- the Republican Party had a net change of -2, while McConnell, Boehner and Congressional Republicans all had a loss of -3.
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And if you go back to the beginning of the year and track how the public is viewing the political situation in Washington DC, the changes are even more dramatic:
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Pelosi and the Democratic Party are the big winners, scoring a +5. Congressional Dems score a +3, and Reid has actually lost two points.
But contrary to beltway opinion, the Republicans are getting hammered. While the Republican Party has only had a net change of -2, those directly involved in the stimulus battle are taking huge hits: McConnell and Boehner at -11, and the Congressional Republicans who are getting such applause from the beltway denizens score a -10.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/dc-journalists-love-gop-o_b_167277.html
Media pundits are way out of line with the public. That was obvious during the debates with the insta-polls. The inside the beltway pundits were consistently out of line with the actual reaction of the voters. So once again, the DC pundits got it wrong. The Gee-Ohh-Pee are taking a big hit from their obstructionism. They better find a new "theme song".
LEAKED: Sen. Eric Cantor's Apology For His Profanity-Laced Video
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lee-camp/leaked-sen-eric-cantors-a_b_167395.html
So this is Mr. "Family Values" Cantor?
Rj, did you see the article that Cheney begged, threatened, squealed over and over, right up to the day before Obama took office, for Bush to Pardon Libby, and bush wouldn't???
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Pam, Shotgun Dick is worried that the truth is catching up with him!
PamB on February 17, 2009 at 08:54 AM
Pam,
Gambling on Ponzi schemes and taking lobbyist bribes are good? Helping others less fortunate is too expensive and too painful to contemplate?
The Republicans are just lost souls who need to take seriously the Bible verses posted here daily. Fromm and Essie are trying to get through to them. Ah, but the allure of riches that can be made from importing cheap foreign labor and the excitement of the stock market is just too strong versus the mere words of a gentle soul from Galilee.
Besides, we know who would have been egging on the Romans on back then. Slave labor! Now there is a virtue that would appeal to Republicans. The Rapture of the idea.
boy, I guess not only the Mother of those octuplets, but the woman she hired to do PR for her both have received death threats. The PR firm backed out now, because the groups have been calling their other clients and boycotting them, etc.
Appears to be a bunch of Republicans who do not want to have to Support for 18 years, a total of a Mother and 14 children!
what a stupid act that was anyways. she has a 2 yr, 3yr, 4yr, 5yr,6yr, and 7yr old, all who are needing attention and bonding , nuturing, and stability, and she goes and has another 8 ! Wow, she is mentally unbalanced.
rjsnj on February 17, 2009 at 09:31 AM
rj,
Make that an apology for getting caught.
I don't know why but every time I hear this guy's name I envision Eddie Cantor singing and tap dancing his way through a men's wash room...during the Depression in one of those big Hollywood musicals of the 1930's.
But this time Larry Craig is lurking in the background with other old farts like Cheney and McCain.
"Come on, everyone let's get happy.....let's all dance our cares away."
PamB on February 17, 2009 at 09:33 AM
And at least one of the older kids is autistic and another has been diagnosed as needing ritalin. I sure hope this woman has a lot of friends who will help out when those babies come home. The grandmother sounds like she has had enough.
Perhaps the 700 Club will come to her rescue?
SandyH on February 17, 2009 at 09:40 AM
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Hi Sandy,
Cantor and his band of Gee-Ohh-Pee merry men are a party in search of a theme song. Maybe we can help them out?
The Mickey Mouse clubhouse theme may work for them. After all, they tried to argue against the stimulus bill using the "Salt Marsh Mouse" as a theme:
GOP 'Salt Marsh Mouse' Stimulus Strategy Assailed By Conservatives
As the Economic Stimulus Package hurtled toward an agreement last week, I was taken aback by the last minute derailment strategy the GOP undertook -- something about a salt marsh mouse that Nancy Pelosi was going to give a million billion dollars to, and subsequently celebrate in this year's Folsom Street Fair, because it's the most liberal rodent in the country. "How deliciously old-school!" I thought, adding, "And inane! And ineffective! And embarrassing!" Apparently, I wasn't alone in these sentiments. Take David Frum, for example:
The problem with the story is not that it was false. The problem with the story is that it was stupid.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/16/gop-salt-marsh-mouse-stim_n_167300.html
Dumb ... yes it was at least that but more so it shows that the Gee-Ohh-Pee is a party that stands for nothing except NO.
PamB on February 17, 2009 at 09:27 AM
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Pam, here's the link so others can read about Shotgun Dick's "outrage" (read that as he is getting nervous):
rjsnj on February 17, 2009 at 09:28 AM
You're saying they make their own reality and live in an alternate universe? Never thought about it before but maybe Washington Republicans and their corporate media diva cheerleaders are just Trekkies?
The Republican convention did have some strange goings on. Beam Me Up Palin, was their inspirational speaker. McCain didn't even show up several days because he was on a storm chasing assignment...looking for illegal aliens?
rjsnj on February 17, 2009 at 09:47 AM
rj,
Oh, Ratz. Foiled again.
PamB on February 17, 2009 at 08:35 AM
Pam,
Why are all these "helpless" women out there on the tube advocating anything? First get a job before you get an agent/pr person, O.K.?
The media must have their Britney Spears to kick around since their corporate owners won't allow them to spear those bogus Republican politicians and their ridiculous stand of the issues...during a Depression?
SandyH on February 17, 2009 at 09:45 AM
Well, if Stevie, the MN troll is correct, there are churchs out there just dying for opportunities to take care of all the children who should not be on the Government's dole, so he does not have to pay for them. (not that he does. I am sure any grain cleaners he sells are under the table)
PamB on February 17, 2009 at 10:10 AM
Pam,
Oh, please tell me she's not going to join one of those Branch Dividian groups where the sheriff has to rescue children from their elders...and they have to take blood test to figure out who the father is.
Acutally that might not be a bad idea. Who is the father of all this woman's kids? Who is really the father of Palin's grandchild? I wouldn't put my money on Levi or Brad Pitt.
Send that Angelina Jolie look-a-like to one of those fundamentalist settlements in Texas pronto. Someone needs to start paying support for all those kids if she's going to be too busy doing TV interviews.
Speaking of work. I need to finish a project today before the firm goes out of business and I don't get paid for any of my hours.
later.
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Everyone has their favorite villain for the current economic collapse. We can think of at least 10 ways in which consuming citizens were responsible.
If we only point the finger at the fat cats on Wall Street, and our governmental agencies and politicians, we will have learned little. We all bear some responsibility.
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We all must support our brilliant President in getting his agenda passed through congress. I did not walk all over Clark Co. IN. for nothing. I'll be going out Sat. 21st canvasing to encourage people to call their Sen. or rep. from their state to tell them to support our President in getting his budget passed for health care, energy, education etc. you all know you have to spend money to make money!! All I know is the republicans sure didn't mind spending money on a war we should have never been in....they don't know what the word conservative means...and now all they want to do is throw a wrench into anything President Obama wants accomplish. If your not mad now just watch C-span for one day and you'll see what the republican party is trying to do...after all they listen to a drug addict like Rush Limbaugh. We democrats need to stick together more than ever now. We have got to help our brilliant President Obama!
I am a staunch Obama supportor, but I am concerned about this stimulus package. I understood there would be no earmarks under this administration, and there are most certainly earmarks in this package. If our leaders cannot legislate without this type of gratuitous backroom bargaining, then we are doomed to continue on the downward economic spiral imposed upon this country by the most nefarious, corrupt, greedy, fascist administration ever to darken the oval office: i.e., the Bush Administration.
In my opinion, without this plan and with no action of fixing this mess with the economy we would just keep going in a downward spiral. I also trust whatever President Obama thinks is right. It's about time to fix what the Bush administration left behind.
Smoke.. You fail to remember that $13.00 a week times 300,000,000 americans is $39,000,000,000! 39 billion dollars a week will be pumped back into the economy. How is this a bad thing!?
You republicans are so self centered.
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