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Read More »A Japanese venture company, Genepax, has unveiled a car on that runs on water. All it requires is a litre of water. In fact, any kind of water to be exact, whether its river, rain, sea water, or even Japanese tea. Its an electric powered car that runs solely on hydrogen dioxide.
"The main characteristic of this car is that no external input is needed. The car will continue to run as long as you have a bottle of water inside for you to add from time to time," said Kiyoshi Hirasawa, Chief Executive Officer of Genepax, after he proudly announced the company's invention.
Once water is poured into the water tank at the back of the car, the newly invented energy generator takes out the hydrogen from the water, releases electrons and finally generates electrical power.
"We highly recommend our system since it does not require you to build up an infrastructure to recharge your batteries, which is usually the case for most electric cars," said Hirasawa, who is hoping to advertise the car in time for the upcoming G8 Summit in Hokkaido, Japan.
"The main characteristic of this car is that no external input is needed. The car will continue to run as long as you have a bottle of water inside for you to add from time to time," said Kiyoshi Hirasawa, Chief Executive Officer of Genepax, after he proudly announced the company's invention.
Once water is poured into the water tank at the back of the car, the newly invented energy generator takes out the hydrogen from the water, releases electrons and finally generates electrical power.
"We highly recommend our system since it does not require you to build up an infrastructure to recharge your batteries, which is usually the case for most electric cars," said Hirasawa, who is hoping to advertise the car in time for the upcoming G8 Summit in Hokkaido, Japan.
I am new to this site, I dont really know the in's and the outs but I really wanted to try and get the word out about democratic congressional candidates. I thought I could do one a day. So... Here is my first, his name is Rob Hubler and he is running against Republican Steven King in the Fifth district in Iowa, here is some information and a link to his site, get a hold of me, or his campaign if you want to help. I have no affilation with this campaign but am very hopeful that he can win. http://www.hublercongress.com/home.html Read More »
Real quick I only have a second- is it possible Hillary is staying in because she knows Obama may be about to take another hit just as large as the Rev Wright issue? Apparantly there is a new issue arising in regards to Obama fundraising numbers. Hundreds of thousands of donors have NO income or no viable income but yet have donated to Obama multiple times. It appears the republicans intend to attack Obama with some serious questions about these donations, some donors that cannot be verified and some donors that were counted repeatedly despite donating just once. In other words the numbers are not adding up and how and who is giving him the money is being scruntized much more closely. Apparantly due to overhwleming fund raisedeach month it was very hard for anyone to verify every donation-
That said it seems the republicans want to help push Hillary out of the race now afraid if she continues all their holding cards against Obama will be exposed in the primary and not the GE. They are banking on the media to keep writing about his bowling and basketball skills and nothing else. It leaves them with all kinds of issues to slam him with in the GE, the longer Hillary stays the more that comes out now.
It certainly makes sense on why McCain is so quiet and keeping a low profile, definitely not his style, unless he has ammo he doesn't want to launch until this party locks themselves into Obama and any VP but Clinton.
That said it seems the republicans want to help push Hillary out of the race now afraid if she continues all their holding cards against Obama will be exposed in the primary and not the GE. They are banking on the media to keep writing about his bowling and basketball skills and nothing else. It leaves them with all kinds of issues to slam him with in the GE, the longer Hillary stays the more that comes out now.
It certainly makes sense on why McCain is so quiet and keeping a low profile, definitely not his style, unless he has ammo he doesn't want to launch until this party locks themselves into Obama and any VP but Clinton.
So one of the bands we are sponsoring toured in ohio a few days this week and we went with them. One thing I can assure you, it will be as red as can be come November.
After talking to many people we ran across from gas station attendants to college students this is the overwhelming feeling and problems with Obama the majority had.
1. Most do not believe he has a problem with Reverend Wright. They think he knew exactly what the guy was about and he privately agrees with him.
2. Younger people are puzzled and annoyed at the racist charges his team has levied against Democratic Politicians. They believe the Obama campaign has actually refueled Racism to a greater extent with their accusations. Many believe, hispanics, asians, vietnamese and arabs suffer far greater and routine racism today in America and Obama's accusations will once again turn the focus off these groups and on to ONLY African Americans in educating against racism, despite the fact Obama's campaign has claimed Obama has not experienced the level of racisim these groups suffer daily THROUGH OUT the USA.
3. They believe he is dishonest and arrogant and the party in general has a problem with women in power. As one woman told me it's pretty obvious if you look at the primary they would never let Hillary win. Examples she gave:
They tried to declare him victory before New Hampshire, when he didn't win, they trotted out Kennedy to publicly insult Clinton ( Male ). They tried to declare victory after Feb 5th, when he lost Ohio and Texas they trotted out Richardson to blame Hillary for the party splitting ( male ) They tried to declare victory before West Virginia, when he didn't win they trotted out Edwards ( Male) to put the final nail in her coffin in their eyes. The pattern of him trying to silence voters in their minds goes much further then Fla and Michigan and has been the main thread of his campaign and they do NOT like that.
4. Obama's campaigns are pigs. They left messes all over the place, bussed in hundreds of people who walked across yards, became pushy at front doors and littered everywhere and left the mess behind for the residents to clean up. Not smart. Hotel Clerk, definitely bitter toward the slobs as he calls them.
Other notable remarks:
On voting in November:
Heck yea girlie I'm voting in November, didn't you hear me, I don't want that guy in the WH. I'm voting but not for him! ( senior )
He's mad at the Tenn GOP for taking Michelle to task after what he said about Bill Clinton? Hasn't Michelle been campaigning for him and giving her own speeches? She's fair game and he looks like a little boy that says I want what I want but only my way. ( College Grad income 130 grand a year )
Republican who admitted voting for Obama: Because we don't want Clinton on that ticket in any way, shape or form, she can beat us. Obama was the rising star in your Party who alienated a large portion of his own party's base and after this election he will be so battered he'll be lucky to be another Kennedy ( lifelong senator with no chance of ever ascending to the WH)
They banded against Hillary and made her lose. I'll never vote Democratic again.
and on and on the statements goes. You think bitterness is keeping Obama out in November. Well in Ohio oh yeah you might be right there is a healthy amount of distrust toward him and the party, bitterness for the way the party tried to end this primary many times. Ohio is now republican through and through because from what I heard its going to take a long time to get the people of Ohio to trust this party again.
After talking to many people we ran across from gas station attendants to college students this is the overwhelming feeling and problems with Obama the majority had.
1. Most do not believe he has a problem with Reverend Wright. They think he knew exactly what the guy was about and he privately agrees with him.
2. Younger people are puzzled and annoyed at the racist charges his team has levied against Democratic Politicians. They believe the Obama campaign has actually refueled Racism to a greater extent with their accusations. Many believe, hispanics, asians, vietnamese and arabs suffer far greater and routine racism today in America and Obama's accusations will once again turn the focus off these groups and on to ONLY African Americans in educating against racism, despite the fact Obama's campaign has claimed Obama has not experienced the level of racisim these groups suffer daily THROUGH OUT the USA.
3. They believe he is dishonest and arrogant and the party in general has a problem with women in power. As one woman told me it's pretty obvious if you look at the primary they would never let Hillary win. Examples she gave:
They tried to declare him victory before New Hampshire, when he didn't win, they trotted out Kennedy to publicly insult Clinton ( Male ). They tried to declare victory after Feb 5th, when he lost Ohio and Texas they trotted out Richardson to blame Hillary for the party splitting ( male ) They tried to declare victory before West Virginia, when he didn't win they trotted out Edwards ( Male) to put the final nail in her coffin in their eyes. The pattern of him trying to silence voters in their minds goes much further then Fla and Michigan and has been the main thread of his campaign and they do NOT like that.
4. Obama's campaigns are pigs. They left messes all over the place, bussed in hundreds of people who walked across yards, became pushy at front doors and littered everywhere and left the mess behind for the residents to clean up. Not smart. Hotel Clerk, definitely bitter toward the slobs as he calls them.
Other notable remarks:
On voting in November:
Heck yea girlie I'm voting in November, didn't you hear me, I don't want that guy in the WH. I'm voting but not for him! ( senior )
He's mad at the Tenn GOP for taking Michelle to task after what he said about Bill Clinton? Hasn't Michelle been campaigning for him and giving her own speeches? She's fair game and he looks like a little boy that says I want what I want but only my way. ( College Grad income 130 grand a year )
Republican who admitted voting for Obama: Because we don't want Clinton on that ticket in any way, shape or form, she can beat us. Obama was the rising star in your Party who alienated a large portion of his own party's base and after this election he will be so battered he'll be lucky to be another Kennedy ( lifelong senator with no chance of ever ascending to the WH)
They banded against Hillary and made her lose. I'll never vote Democratic again.
and on and on the statements goes. You think bitterness is keeping Obama out in November. Well in Ohio oh yeah you might be right there is a healthy amount of distrust toward him and the party, bitterness for the way the party tried to end this primary many times. Ohio is now republican through and through because from what I heard its going to take a long time to get the people of Ohio to trust this party again.
That meaning is... For Fifty States. So ADD THE MISSING STATES- DNC! PEOPLE VOTED...AND WILL BE COUNTED. ALL 50 STATES = UNITED.
I was justing listening to the radio as I responded to Blue's post and the host asked viewers to call in and let them know if they found Obama honest and trustworthy-
This is basically what he said.
I support Hillary Clinton and I know he has been less then truthful many times when talking about her and her agenda and record. He is dishonest, just look at his speeches and ads about Senator Clinton. If he lied about her I KNOW he is lying when he talks about McCain. No I do not find him honest and trustworthy at all. He says he can win my vote back? How? I don't trust him he lied, why would I believe him NOW?
He hit on an excellent point as a Hillary supporter I to know he has twisted the facts almost unrecognizable at times to portray her in a bad light. How can I possibly honestly say anything he tells me about the Republicans is the truth if he would try to destroy a member of his own party with false facts and accusations? Excellent point!
This is basically what he said.
I support Hillary Clinton and I know he has been less then truthful many times when talking about her and her agenda and record. He is dishonest, just look at his speeches and ads about Senator Clinton. If he lied about her I KNOW he is lying when he talks about McCain. No I do not find him honest and trustworthy at all. He says he can win my vote back? How? I don't trust him he lied, why would I believe him NOW?
He hit on an excellent point as a Hillary supporter I to know he has twisted the facts almost unrecognizable at times to portray her in a bad light. How can I possibly honestly say anything he tells me about the Republicans is the truth if he would try to destroy a member of his own party with false facts and accusations? Excellent point!
I think it's clear many of us no longer align ourselves with the behavior of the party. The fact of the matter is Obama is the name on the ballot whether we like it or not but from what I read besides having great concern and pause over Obama being elected everyone's biggest problem is with the party itself and how they meddled and handled this primary.
I think now the question for many of us is are we closet republicans as Obama supporters would love to label us. Not likely one vote doesn't change your core beliefs, which is probably a big reason why Obama could not convince half this party Hillary is bad for the country over the one Iraq vote. It's also probably why he failed to carry the states that have the most casulaties from the Iraq war.
So where do we belong? I don't know the answer to that, I spent alot of time this primary wondering if as I aged had turned republican. The answer is no while there are some things about McCain I do not like, fact of the matter is there are just as many things about Obama I do not like.
But the one thing that stands out to me is party has moved so far over in a desperate attempt to regain power in Washington they have left behind the middle aged voters who built the party the last 20 years. Not a bad sin change is ok but not when you give speeches and interviews saying you don't need those who built the party to win, that your going to flood the party with republicans.
For me the only real answer is to do what I can to make a third party candidate run strong, let the party know my voice and vote means as much as it did 20 years ago in November and that I am not easily replaced with fly by night voters from the other party.
I think now the question for many of us is are we closet republicans as Obama supporters would love to label us. Not likely one vote doesn't change your core beliefs, which is probably a big reason why Obama could not convince half this party Hillary is bad for the country over the one Iraq vote. It's also probably why he failed to carry the states that have the most casulaties from the Iraq war.
So where do we belong? I don't know the answer to that, I spent alot of time this primary wondering if as I aged had turned republican. The answer is no while there are some things about McCain I do not like, fact of the matter is there are just as many things about Obama I do not like.
But the one thing that stands out to me is party has moved so far over in a desperate attempt to regain power in Washington they have left behind the middle aged voters who built the party the last 20 years. Not a bad sin change is ok but not when you give speeches and interviews saying you don't need those who built the party to win, that your going to flood the party with republicans.
For me the only real answer is to do what I can to make a third party candidate run strong, let the party know my voice and vote means as much as it did 20 years ago in November and that I am not easily replaced with fly by night voters from the other party.
Ok let's be fair let's say why we won't vote for Obama let's be specific.
My biggest fence to jump is a vote for Obama validates him labeling the Clintons as racists and that's an argument I have never believed, I don't believe they are. He took Clinton's word, possibly poorly phrased and tagged this man as the type of person most of us dems can't stand, a racist. I can't validate that nor can I support tactics like that especially when Obama's campign threw a major fit whenver his words were twisted. You can't have it both ways.
My secondary fence is what the party did during this election, moving polling places in Nevada and silencing two states. I found it very hard to believe it was only a coincidence it affected only one candidate for every change made in this primary.
My last fence, I just do not believe him or trust him, I also know the numbers from the caucuses are very skewed and do not represent a large portion of the Clinton dems in those states so what way will they vote is anyone's guess. You can not give any candidate a caucus state because the numbers are wayyyyy off due to the rules put on a voter to vote. Never mind all the republicans who voted to first make Obama the nominee candidate and then to keep this race going voted Clinton. The numbers from the primaries are probably off more then they ever have been before. The country wide polls of today shows McCain beating Obama before the republicans even begin their campaign against him. Those polls would not show that unless a large portion of this base is jumping the fence.
That's alot of fences to jump and I did that with Kerry and just refuse to do it again. That race card against the Clintons along with the votes he refused to cast is the day he lost my vote and he has never won it back.
If you think I would vote against him out of the spite, the only way I vote against him out of spite would be to vote against Michelle Obama and to be honest if it was that I would just stay home and not even waste the gas. So its not spite, not here.
My biggest fence to jump is a vote for Obama validates him labeling the Clintons as racists and that's an argument I have never believed, I don't believe they are. He took Clinton's word, possibly poorly phrased and tagged this man as the type of person most of us dems can't stand, a racist. I can't validate that nor can I support tactics like that especially when Obama's campign threw a major fit whenver his words were twisted. You can't have it both ways.
My secondary fence is what the party did during this election, moving polling places in Nevada and silencing two states. I found it very hard to believe it was only a coincidence it affected only one candidate for every change made in this primary.
My last fence, I just do not believe him or trust him, I also know the numbers from the caucuses are very skewed and do not represent a large portion of the Clinton dems in those states so what way will they vote is anyone's guess. You can not give any candidate a caucus state because the numbers are wayyyyy off due to the rules put on a voter to vote. Never mind all the republicans who voted to first make Obama the nominee candidate and then to keep this race going voted Clinton. The numbers from the primaries are probably off more then they ever have been before. The country wide polls of today shows McCain beating Obama before the republicans even begin their campaign against him. Those polls would not show that unless a large portion of this base is jumping the fence.
That's alot of fences to jump and I did that with Kerry and just refuse to do it again. That race card against the Clintons along with the votes he refused to cast is the day he lost my vote and he has never won it back.
If you think I would vote against him out of the spite, the only way I vote against him out of spite would be to vote against Michelle Obama and to be honest if it was that I would just stay home and not even waste the gas. So its not spite, not here.
Not my writing a repost from a column someone sent me from the local college: there are typos I have not corrected apparantly whoever copied it did not know copy and paste and just retyped the entire article-
Anyway, these are some serious questions we should be asking ourselves.
Everyday I'm asked the same question by someone, "Will I vote for Barack Obama," and my reply is always the same, "Does it matter?" The answer is no because Barack Obama will never reside at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and here's why.
"The man has been talking for two years and I still don't know what he plans to do or how he plans to do it." Says Joe G. Gulf War veteran residing in Plymouth, Mass. Fair enough but the general election has just begun. " I'm not listening anymore." Says Joe shaking his head. " I've got a family to feed, a mortgage to pay and kids to put through college, I don't have time to listen anymore, I'll just sit this one out, things never change anyway. Aren't the Dems in charge now?" He says adjusting his cap and shaking his head once again referring to the majority the Dems hold in congress.
Joe is not alone in his opinion, the Democratic Party has been in charge in Congress and they have failed to challenge President Bush on a level that makes enough of a difference that American people see that relief at the gas pumps or in the grocery stores. A large portion of the American population believes Washington is not listening and has not been listening for a very long time. Problem one the Democratic party needs to convince Americans like Joe they are listening and so far they have failed that test.
"He seems to reinvent himself every other month. First he says he never heard that Wright guy say those things then he admits he did. I don't trust him, he's no different then any other politician, he will say anything to get elected." Says Gina L from Trumball, Ct. " I'm not thrilled with Hillary Clinton either but I think she could get the job done," I like McCain he's not anywhere near as bad as Bush." she adds thoughtfully touching on the one aspect of this campaign the Democratic party would like to sweep under the rug.
John MCCain is not President Bush, he does not need to reach to the far conservative corners of the Republican party to win the General Election thanks to the Democratic Party. For months there has been warning signs that Obama's appeal is not broad but pigeonholed into three demographics, African Americans, White Collar and the young voters who fuel his grassroots fundraising machine. What the Democratic party has refused to acknowledge is the far reaches of the extreme conservative and religious voters of the Republican Party that Bush reached out to in order to wrestle power from the Democratic Party in 2000 and 2004 will never be able to reach far enough across the aisle to vote for a man as liberal as Barack Obama. John McCain will reap the benefits of the liberal candidate the Democratic Party seems all but assured to trot out in the General Election. Read More »
Anyway, these are some serious questions we should be asking ourselves.
Everyday I'm asked the same question by someone, "Will I vote for Barack Obama," and my reply is always the same, "Does it matter?" The answer is no because Barack Obama will never reside at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and here's why.
"The man has been talking for two years and I still don't know what he plans to do or how he plans to do it." Says Joe G. Gulf War veteran residing in Plymouth, Mass. Fair enough but the general election has just begun. " I'm not listening anymore." Says Joe shaking his head. " I've got a family to feed, a mortgage to pay and kids to put through college, I don't have time to listen anymore, I'll just sit this one out, things never change anyway. Aren't the Dems in charge now?" He says adjusting his cap and shaking his head once again referring to the majority the Dems hold in congress.
Joe is not alone in his opinion, the Democratic Party has been in charge in Congress and they have failed to challenge President Bush on a level that makes enough of a difference that American people see that relief at the gas pumps or in the grocery stores. A large portion of the American population believes Washington is not listening and has not been listening for a very long time. Problem one the Democratic party needs to convince Americans like Joe they are listening and so far they have failed that test.
"He seems to reinvent himself every other month. First he says he never heard that Wright guy say those things then he admits he did. I don't trust him, he's no different then any other politician, he will say anything to get elected." Says Gina L from Trumball, Ct. " I'm not thrilled with Hillary Clinton either but I think she could get the job done," I like McCain he's not anywhere near as bad as Bush." she adds thoughtfully touching on the one aspect of this campaign the Democratic party would like to sweep under the rug.
John MCCain is not President Bush, he does not need to reach to the far conservative corners of the Republican party to win the General Election thanks to the Democratic Party. For months there has been warning signs that Obama's appeal is not broad but pigeonholed into three demographics, African Americans, White Collar and the young voters who fuel his grassroots fundraising machine. What the Democratic party has refused to acknowledge is the far reaches of the extreme conservative and religious voters of the Republican Party that Bush reached out to in order to wrestle power from the Democratic Party in 2000 and 2004 will never be able to reach far enough across the aisle to vote for a man as liberal as Barack Obama. John McCain will reap the benefits of the liberal candidate the Democratic Party seems all but assured to trot out in the General Election. Read More »
22 years ago when I voted in my first democratic election to be a good democrat and a supporter of the democratic party was to follow the basic values of our country and support our party and the party Principles in any way you could depending on your situation.
Today you are considered a bad Democrat and bad for the party regardless of your long and faithful service and donations to the pary if you:
1. Support Hillary Clinton
2. Reject the notion there was anything democratic about the way the party handled Fla and Michigan.
3. Demand both nominees be held to the same standards during the nomination primary
4. Raise valid questions of a virtual unknown with an awful lot of baggage for someone who has been on the national Stage for such a short period.
5. Show justified anger when Jackson uses race to pressure and threaten Black lawmakers into endorsing a senator he has criticized to great lengths and supports only because of his race in this primary.
6. Question the party that remains silent when race is used to threaten our elected officials to support one candidate.
7. Question the new principles of a party that looks much more republican then the republicans themselves.
Today you are a good democrat and the only ones worthy of being a democrate if you:
1. Support Obama without question and fight tooth and nail against any vetting process of your candidate.
2. If you hold Hillary Clinton solely responsible for the problems in the country thereby giving the Republicans a pass.
3. Support disenfranchising millions of voters to see your candidate elevated to the nomination regardless of how it will affect the GE.
4. Support Jesse Jackson in using race to pressure and threaten superdelegates into endorsing Obama.
5. Not expect Obama to practice the unity and high values of the campaign he demands from his opponets.
6. Never question Obama's links to radicial ministers, former terrorists ( Ayers) or shady land deals. But aggressively attack any other democrat especially Hillary Clinton with any obscure links to the same practices.
7. Look the other way when the republicans raise one hundred million for Obama to kick off his presidential campaign.
8. Never question his pride when his own wife raises questions or his intense anger and embarassment when his full name is used.
9. Never question his statements and the statements of his closest advisors when they belittle the white race.
This is not the democratic party I support and I will not allow a bunch supporters of this man to claim the party either. To be a good democrat you fight for what you believe in, you don't walk away. Anybody but Obama in '08 then we can work on getting the party back to where every voter had a voice, every politician was held to the same standards. Where racism, is not tolerated in any way, shape or form and is rejected when used as a weapon for one man's gain and the problems that aroused in the country, during the republican administration is firmly placed on the republicans shoulders, not a fellow democrat simply for the gain of one man.
Today you are considered a bad Democrat and bad for the party regardless of your long and faithful service and donations to the pary if you:
1. Support Hillary Clinton
2. Reject the notion there was anything democratic about the way the party handled Fla and Michigan.
3. Demand both nominees be held to the same standards during the nomination primary
4. Raise valid questions of a virtual unknown with an awful lot of baggage for someone who has been on the national Stage for such a short period.
5. Show justified anger when Jackson uses race to pressure and threaten Black lawmakers into endorsing a senator he has criticized to great lengths and supports only because of his race in this primary.
6. Question the party that remains silent when race is used to threaten our elected officials to support one candidate.
7. Question the new principles of a party that looks much more republican then the republicans themselves.
Today you are a good democrat and the only ones worthy of being a democrate if you:
1. Support Obama without question and fight tooth and nail against any vetting process of your candidate.
2. If you hold Hillary Clinton solely responsible for the problems in the country thereby giving the Republicans a pass.
3. Support disenfranchising millions of voters to see your candidate elevated to the nomination regardless of how it will affect the GE.
4. Support Jesse Jackson in using race to pressure and threaten superdelegates into endorsing Obama.
5. Not expect Obama to practice the unity and high values of the campaign he demands from his opponets.
6. Never question Obama's links to radicial ministers, former terrorists ( Ayers) or shady land deals. But aggressively attack any other democrat especially Hillary Clinton with any obscure links to the same practices.
7. Look the other way when the republicans raise one hundred million for Obama to kick off his presidential campaign.
8. Never question his pride when his own wife raises questions or his intense anger and embarassment when his full name is used.
9. Never question his statements and the statements of his closest advisors when they belittle the white race.
This is not the democratic party I support and I will not allow a bunch supporters of this man to claim the party either. To be a good democrat you fight for what you believe in, you don't walk away. Anybody but Obama in '08 then we can work on getting the party back to where every voter had a voice, every politician was held to the same standards. Where racism, is not tolerated in any way, shape or form and is rejected when used as a weapon for one man's gain and the problems that aroused in the country, during the republican administration is firmly placed on the republicans shoulders, not a fellow democrat simply for the gain of one man.
WE NEED GOOD TURN OUT'S IN EACH STATE IN DEMOCRATIC PARTY. ALL DEMOCRATIC PARTIES IN STATE ,TELL THE PEOPLE TO VOTE . NOVEMBER IS COMING SOON....
what Illinoismel keeps saying about the delegate map.
It boggles my mind so many here support silencing Fla the one state we need where we know we will battle McCain for every single vote without a doubt.
We NEED Florida.
Still want to hand it to the Republicans simply to have your favorite candidate win? So you win the battle and lose the war?
Have we forgotten McCain was DONE until Florida spoke? He is very popular there.
Look at that map and give me a game plan where we clearly can pick up the the what 27? delegates we will lose in Fla elsewhere.
And while your at it find the 17 we lose in Michigan?
Because I certainly don't see it no matter how long I stare at this map.
It boggles my mind so many here support silencing Fla the one state we need where we know we will battle McCain for every single vote without a doubt.
We NEED Florida.
Still want to hand it to the Republicans simply to have your favorite candidate win? So you win the battle and lose the war?
Have we forgotten McCain was DONE until Florida spoke? He is very popular there.
Look at that map and give me a game plan where we clearly can pick up the the what 27? delegates we will lose in Fla elsewhere.
And while your at it find the 17 we lose in Michigan?
Because I certainly don't see it no matter how long I stare at this map.
reposting deleted this one by mistake!
Elton John will help Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton raise cash for her presidential campaign with a solo concert next month at Radio City Music Hall in New York.
"I'm not a politician but I believe in the work that Hillary Clinton does," the British musician said in a statement released by the Clinton campaign Monday.
Tickets for the "Elton and Hillary: One Night Only" performance April 9 go on sale Wednesday. Prices start at $125 for mezzanine seats, $250 for seats near the orchestra.
Last October, Clinton held a star-studded fundraiser to celebrate her 60th birthday. Comedian Billy Crystal and rockers Elvis Costello and the Wallflowers headlined the event at New York's historic Beacon Theater, which raked in more than $1.5 million for Clinton's presidential bid.
Elton John will help Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton raise cash for her presidential campaign with a solo concert next month at Radio City Music Hall in New York.
"I'm not a politician but I believe in the work that Hillary Clinton does," the British musician said in a statement released by the Clinton campaign Monday.
Tickets for the "Elton and Hillary: One Night Only" performance April 9 go on sale Wednesday. Prices start at $125 for mezzanine seats, $250 for seats near the orchestra.
Last October, Clinton held a star-studded fundraiser to celebrate her 60th birthday. Comedian Billy Crystal and rockers Elvis Costello and the Wallflowers headlined the event at New York's historic Beacon Theater, which raked in more than $1.5 million for Clinton's presidential bid.
with a re-do.
I just read this and it makes alot of sense.
If the DNC does not include Fla and Michigan and "annoits" either candidate, Clinton or Obama, the chances of the two states dem base boycotting in November increase greatly because the same politicians who took their right to vote away are the same ones who are now hand picking the nominee.
the dude had a very good point. It may not matter who the dem party picks for a nominee to those voters, all that will matter is the same politicians who silenced them, then hand picked the nominee with their power as superdelegates.
I just read this and it makes alot of sense.
If the DNC does not include Fla and Michigan and "annoits" either candidate, Clinton or Obama, the chances of the two states dem base boycotting in November increase greatly because the same politicians who took their right to vote away are the same ones who are now hand picking the nominee.
the dude had a very good point. It may not matter who the dem party picks for a nominee to those voters, all that will matter is the same politicians who silenced them, then hand picked the nominee with their power as superdelegates.
this is how we as a country polled our nations best past presidents
Who was the greatest American president? According to the latest Gallup poll, 18% of Americans picked Abraham Lincoln. Second place goes to Ronald Reagan, 16%, followed by John F. Kennedy, 14%, Bill Clinton, 13%, and Franklin D. Roosevelt, 9
It was done may 5th 2007 from a very popular history based network and site and the poll was a gallup poll. Before Obama his campaign and his supporters turned Bill and Hillary Clinton into monsters.
No matter what happens in this election now, you can't change the fact his attacks on two people who helped make this party what it is today will never be forgotten and everything they stood for and fought for was tarnished in one moment in SC by twisting someone's words for the benefit of one man.
Who was the greatest American president? According to the latest Gallup poll, 18% of Americans picked Abraham Lincoln. Second place goes to Ronald Reagan, 16%, followed by John F. Kennedy, 14%, Bill Clinton, 13%, and Franklin D. Roosevelt, 9
It was done may 5th 2007 from a very popular history based network and site and the poll was a gallup poll. Before Obama his campaign and his supporters turned Bill and Hillary Clinton into monsters.
No matter what happens in this election now, you can't change the fact his attacks on two people who helped make this party what it is today will never be forgotten and everything they stood for and fought for was tarnished in one moment in SC by twisting someone's words for the benefit of one man.
Apparantly Obama approaching Clinton in the senate to tone down the attacks in the race was just meant to give him headlines and give his supporters ammunition to attack Clinton supporters who had the nerve to mention his pastor. All along Obama's plan had been to unload his dirty laundry under the guise of truce then engineer of full attacks on Clinton. So again party unity is only demanded when it benefits him.
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For now on I'll know any calls for party unity is a sham and will only come when Obama is in trouble. We don't need to keep counting delegates- we need to keep count of Obama's lies.
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For now on I'll know any calls for party unity is a sham and will only come when Obama is in trouble. We don't need to keep counting delegates- we need to keep count of Obama's lies.
This is contingent on several factors, but I doubt they would be reporting it so heavily unless the chances of it passing are good.
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Michigan Democrats agreed Friday to push a do-over primary in early June to give them a say in the close presidential race between Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama.
Amid talks with the two campaigns, the four Michigan Democrats said in a statement they were "focusing on the possibility of a state-run primary in early June which would not use any state funding." Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, one of the Democratic participants, said a likely date is June 3.
"This option would require the passage of legislation by the state legislature, and we look forward to working with the members of the legislature in the coming days to see if this option can be made a reality," the Democrats said.
Other Michigan Democrats working on the plan were Democratic National Committee member Debbie Dingell, Sen. Carl Levin and United Auto Workers President Ron Gettelfinger.
Mark Brewer, chairman of the Michigan Democratic Party, said the potential privately funded primary was "a good first step" toward seating the state's delegation at the Democratic National Convention.
The agreement now hinges on getting the campaigns and party officials to approve legislation, still being written, that would set the primary for early June. In the statement, Brewer said party leaders would need to write legislation "that is acceptable to the MDP and both the Clinton and Obama campaigns."
To go forward, any plan would require the approval of the two campaigns, the Democratic National Committee, state party leaders and Gov. Jennifer Granholm, who is backing Clinton. Brewer said a revised delegate plan would also need to be approved by the state party's executive committee and the DNC's rules and bylaws committee.
Michigan Democrats need to act quickly because the politically divided legislature will have to sign off on the deal and approve how to spend the privately raised funds for a new election. Members of the Democratic-controlled state House and Republican-controlled state Senate leave at the end of the month on their two-week spring break.
The contest must be held by June 10 for the results to count under DNC rules.
The national party punished Michigan and Florida for moving up their primaries before Feb. 5, stripping them of all their delegates. The two states have been struggling to come up with alternative plans to ensure their delegates are seated at the national convention this summer in Denver.
Florida Democrats said they will make a decision by Monday on whether to hold a dual mail-in and in-person re-vote. But the plan floated this week faces opposition from the state's Democratic congressional delegation, and Obama has also expressed concerns about security and accuracy of a mail-in vote organized so quickly. Democratic National Committee rules require the vote to be scheduled by June 10.
Separately, Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson, who backs Clinton, has suggested one options â�" seating all the Florida delegates already chosen but only giving them half a vote each. Nelson discussed this idea with Clinton and Obama on the Senate floor Thursday, according to an aide, but no commitments were made.
Based on the Jan. 29 results, Clinton would have won 105, Obama 67 amd John Edwards 13. Instead they would get half those delegate votes.
Florida DNC member Jon Ausman on Friday filed an appeal to the rules committee asking that the state's 23 superdelegates and half its at-large delegates be restored. He argued that party rules say superdelegates "shall" be seated and that the punishment for holding an early primary is losing half the at-large delegates.
"They far exceeded their authority by giving us the death penalty," Ausman said.
While party rules at the time the primary date was moved did say that states would lose half their delegates, the rules committee later voted to strip Florida of all its delegates. Florida had 210 delegates, including 185 pledged delegates.
Michigan held its primary Jan. 15 and Florida voted Jan. 29. Clinton won both, although she was the only major candidate on the Michigan ballot.
Kilpatrick said although she is optimistic, Detroit City Clerk Janice Winfrey has expressed concern they may not have the time or manpower to pull it off. She said they are trying to work through those issues.
Both campaigns said they would evaluate the plans. Obama spokesman Bill Burton said the campaign hoped "a resolution can be arrived at that is fair and practical."
Former Michigan Gov. James Blanchard, the co-chairman of Clinton's Michigan campaign, said they were "looking at this with great interest ... it has some great possibilities."
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Michigan Democrats agreed Friday to push a do-over primary in early June to give them a say in the close presidential race between Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama.
Amid talks with the two campaigns, the four Michigan Democrats said in a statement they were "focusing on the possibility of a state-run primary in early June which would not use any state funding." Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, one of the Democratic participants, said a likely date is June 3.
"This option would require the passage of legislation by the state legislature, and we look forward to working with the members of the legislature in the coming days to see if this option can be made a reality," the Democrats said.
Other Michigan Democrats working on the plan were Democratic National Committee member Debbie Dingell, Sen. Carl Levin and United Auto Workers President Ron Gettelfinger.
Mark Brewer, chairman of the Michigan Democratic Party, said the potential privately funded primary was "a good first step" toward seating the state's delegation at the Democratic National Convention.
The agreement now hinges on getting the campaigns and party officials to approve legislation, still being written, that would set the primary for early June. In the statement, Brewer said party leaders would need to write legislation "that is acceptable to the MDP and both the Clinton and Obama campaigns."
To go forward, any plan would require the approval of the two campaigns, the Democratic National Committee, state party leaders and Gov. Jennifer Granholm, who is backing Clinton. Brewer said a revised delegate plan would also need to be approved by the state party's executive committee and the DNC's rules and bylaws committee.
Michigan Democrats need to act quickly because the politically divided legislature will have to sign off on the deal and approve how to spend the privately raised funds for a new election. Members of the Democratic-controlled state House and Republican-controlled state Senate leave at the end of the month on their two-week spring break.
The contest must be held by June 10 for the results to count under DNC rules.
The national party punished Michigan and Florida for moving up their primaries before Feb. 5, stripping them of all their delegates. The two states have been struggling to come up with alternative plans to ensure their delegates are seated at the national convention this summer in Denver.
Florida Democrats said they will make a decision by Monday on whether to hold a dual mail-in and in-person re-vote. But the plan floated this week faces opposition from the state's Democratic congressional delegation, and Obama has also expressed concerns about security and accuracy of a mail-in vote organized so quickly. Democratic National Committee rules require the vote to be scheduled by June 10.
Separately, Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson, who backs Clinton, has suggested one options â�" seating all the Florida delegates already chosen but only giving them half a vote each. Nelson discussed this idea with Clinton and Obama on the Senate floor Thursday, according to an aide, but no commitments were made.
Based on the Jan. 29 results, Clinton would have won 105, Obama 67 amd John Edwards 13. Instead they would get half those delegate votes.
Florida DNC member Jon Ausman on Friday filed an appeal to the rules committee asking that the state's 23 superdelegates and half its at-large delegates be restored. He argued that party rules say superdelegates "shall" be seated and that the punishment for holding an early primary is losing half the at-large delegates.
"They far exceeded their authority by giving us the death penalty," Ausman said.
While party rules at the time the primary date was moved did say that states would lose half their delegates, the rules committee later voted to strip Florida of all its delegates. Florida had 210 delegates, including 185 pledged delegates.
Michigan held its primary Jan. 15 and Florida voted Jan. 29. Clinton won both, although she was the only major candidate on the Michigan ballot.
Kilpatrick said although she is optimistic, Detroit City Clerk Janice Winfrey has expressed concern they may not have the time or manpower to pull it off. She said they are trying to work through those issues.
Both campaigns said they would evaluate the plans. Obama spokesman Bill Burton said the campaign hoped "a resolution can be arrived at that is fair and practical."
Former Michigan Gov. James Blanchard, the co-chairman of Clinton's Michigan campaign, said they were "looking at this with great interest ... it has some great possibilities."
Michigan Democrats are close to an agreement with presidential candidates Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama to hold a do-over primary.
Party officials and the campaigns negotiated on Thursday, and state Democratic leaders were hopeful that an agreement could be reached on Friday, said Democratic officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the talks. To go forward, any plan would require the approval of the two campaigns, the Democratic National Committee, state party leaders and Gov. Jennifer Granholm, who is backing Clinton.
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Party officials and the campaigns negotiated on Thursday, and state Democratic leaders were hopeful that an agreement could be reached on Friday, said Democratic officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the talks. To go forward, any plan would require the approval of the two campaigns, the Democratic National Committee, state party leaders and Gov. Jennifer Granholm, who is backing Clinton.
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