Below is a question from last nights Saddleback Forum and Barack Obama's answer. Look at the interesting letter that John Mccain sent to Barack Obama in 2006 regarding this very same issue. It is nothing short of fabulous. I will paste the letter for those of you that have dial up and will place the link for those who want to see it. I have to say that BO does not cease to amaze me the ease at which he LIES!

Q. ABOUT THE COMMON GOOD, THE COMMON GROUND AND COMMON GOOD. CAN YOU GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF A TIME YOU KNOW A LOT �" I’VE SEEN A LOT OF GOOD LEGISLATIONS GETS KILLED BECAUSE OF PARTY LOYALTY. CAN YOU GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE YOU WENT AGAINST PARTY LOYALTY AND MAYBE EVEN WENT AGAINST YOUR OWN BEST INTEREST FOR THE GOOD OF AMERICA?

A. WELL, I’LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE THAT IN FACT I WORKED WITH JOHN MCCAIN ON AND THAT WAS THE ISSUE OF CAMPAIGN ETHICS REFORM AND FINANCE REFORM. THAT WASN’T PROBABLY IN MY INTEREST OR HIS FOR THAT MATTER BECAUSE THE TRUTH WAS BOTH DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS OR OF LIKE THE STATUS QUO AND I WAS NEW TO THE SENATE AND IT DIDN’T NECESSARILY ENGENDER A LOT OF POPULARITY WHEN I STARTED SAYING YOU KNOW WE’RE GOING TO ELIMINATE MEALS AND GIFTS FROM CORPORATE LOBBYISTS.

I REMEMBER ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES WHOSE NAME WILL BE UNMENTIONED WHO SAID, WELL, WHERE DO YOU EXPECT US TO EAT MCDONALD’S? AND I THOUGHT WELL, ACTUALLY, A LOT OF OUR CONSTITUENTS PROBABLY DO EAT AT MCDONALD’S SO THAT WOULDN’T BE SUCH A BAD THING. BUT I THINK THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET A BILL PASSED THAT HASN’T MADE WASHINGTON PERFECT BUT AT LEAST IT MOVING THINGS FORWARD.

OK so here is the link and below to the press release of the letter.

http://mccain.senate.gov/public/inde..._id=&Issue_id=

The Honorable Barack Obama
United States Senate
SH-713
Washington, DC 20510

Dear Senator Obama:

I would like to apologize to you for assuming that your private assurances to me regarding your desire to cooperate in our efforts to negotiate bipartisan lobbying reform legislation were sincere. When you approached me and insisted that despite your leadership’s preference to use the issue to gain a political advantage in the 2006 elections, you were personally committed to achieving a result that would reflect credit on the entire Senate and offer the country a better example of political leadership, I concluded your professed concern for the institution and the public interest was genuine and admirable. Thank you for disabusing me of such notions with your letter to me dated February 2, 2006, which explained your decision to withdraw from our bipartisan discussions. I’m embarrassed to admit that after all these years in politics I failed to interpret your previous assurances as typical rhetorical gloss routinely used in politics to make self-interested partisan posturing appear more noble. Again, sorry for the confusion, but please be assured I won’t make the same mistake again.

As you know, the Majority Leader has asked Chairman Collins to hold hearings and mark up a bill for floor consideration in early March. I fully support such timely action and I am confident that, together with Senator Lieberman, the Committee on Governmental Affairs will report out a meaningful, bipartisan bill.

Well caught in another lie Obama sent his wife out to do damage control about the breaking news that Obama is a bastard son (Illegitimate child, born out of wedlock)

Sending his wife out to the dirty work was despicable enough, the man shows no back bone let alone being tagged a liar of the first order. He has kept this masqurade of legitimacy up for years and for political expediancy.

And since he has out right lied about the marital status of his parents, it raises the logical question. Is he telling the truth about who his true father is. Now we must ask, is Barack Hussein Obama senior really his biological father? What greater skelletons are there lurking in the Obama Family tree?

This latest revelation certainly debunks the claim of his latgest TV ad as being raised with a Kansas Family Value system of the heartland as a farce that taints traditional American Family values.

So this is who our democrat party leaders want to stand behind, this is the type of individual that is the best the democrats have to offer, a sad state of affairs. Barack Hussein Obama the bastard son of the democratic party. Sound harsh dosn't it? Well sadly it is the truth as confirmed by Michelle Obama.

Obama's whole position of Hope, Change and a New Governance has just flown out the window. Not because his parents made very bad choices, but because Obama chose to lie and hide this rather improtant fact. We have to be able to trust anyone who is to be president 100% and Obama has proven time and time again that he incapable of earning that trust. First by his Flip Flops on Campaign Finance, FISA, and Iraq. Now about this most fundamental information.

Many of us the former traditional base of the Democratic Party are being vindicated in our suspecions of Obama each and every day. I hate to tell you all that we told you so, but just search back in the earlier posts by Clinton supporters on this very website and blogs and you will find we have been warning everyone about Obama from day one.

Well now the party has made it's bed and they will have to lie in it. I hope you enjoy another 4 years of a republican in the whitehouse. Dean, Brazile and Pelosi amongst many others have brought you to this.

I am still waiting for the Obama Campaign to release Obama's Selective Service Registration Information. Parties have been asking for the campaign to release Obama's Selective Service registration Information for a year now and they turn a deaf ear to the requests.

If Obama neglected to register for Selective Service not only is he in Violation od Federal Laws but he is prohibited from holding the Office of the President of the USA.

Why is it OK for our sons and daughters to go off to war, and make the ultimate sacrifice for America and Iraq and our Democratic Nominee can not even make time to hold a town hall open dialog with them and their families. I do not think that there are any more important commitments that a leader has. Does he not realize that for some of these family's and service members, tragically they may have given the ultimate sacrifice by the time Obama deems it important enough to talk to them? For them later may be too late? If you can completely revamp your schedule to go on a Photo OP to Iraq, and visit the heavily guarded and controlled green zone. Perhaps visit the Hilton of Army Bases in Iraq Camp Victory. The you can certainly make time for a town hall meeting in the USA. Townhall at Army Base 

You hear is the grand opening of the Nader Campaign website. http://www.votenader.org

Now hay is this not at least surprising. Chicago home to the most corrupt state government system in all of the 50 states is going to be the hub for DNC operations. The state that brought you convicted politicos like Levin, Rezko, Daley, Ryan, and a whole host of other unsavory characters is now going to be the home of the DNC. Perhaps it will be in real estate confiscated from Rezko, or maybe a property owned by the Trinity United Church with Rev Wright the landlord. The one good think about it is that Federal Prosecuter Fitzpatrick won't have to travel far to hand down the indictments. Who is behind this move you might ask? Well it is the yet to be elected nominee Barack Hussein Obama! You know the guy that was foreced to give away $250,000 of campaign contrbutions that were collected through embezelment. I guess the DNC wants in on some of that cash and where better to get it than a state party system that is already rigged and configured for corrupt exploitation. It's akin to letting the MOB back into Las Vegas. I figure that the DNC was having a tugh time raising money legally they figured that they would try a different but proven source of campaign financing. I must tell you this move gives every elected democrat everywhere in the USA a black eye because from now on and ever more the DNC and the democrats will be associated with Chicago politics. And if you don't think that is bad then just google the phrase Chicago Politics and see for yourself just how bad an image that conjures up.

The democrats will come to Florida saying VOTE for us the GOP screwed you over in the 2000 election! The GOP will come to Florida and say VOTE for us the Democrats screwed you over in the 2008 Primary! IMHO I think FLorida should seccede from the Union, as neither side is interested in our votes. We could hook up with Puerto Rico and from Our own little tropical paradise country. Charge all you northern tourists duties and other cool touristy charges, we could negotiate our own oil importation deal with Opec, shed the killer US incometax burden. Actually we do quite well without either the democrats or the republicans. We have 3 international airports. We even have our very own Nuclear Power Plant! border crossings at I95, I75 and Florida's Turnpike. Yup like the Florida Keys 20 years ago we can leave the union of states. They already has a name picked out back then The Conch Republic.

I really am almost speechless. On Obamas site there is a whole section devoted to children 12 years and under. With on line blogs and meeting spaces where kids can exchane infor oranize meetings and sleep overs, they are encouraged to put Obama campaign materials on thier clothing and book bags etc. Has this man have no class or responsibility at all? Knowing the vitreaol that is prevelent in this campaign season how could one encourage a child to put campaign advertisements on thier clothing or knapsack and send them out to the public. Obama is encourging children to become targets for a whole bunch of people. As this world is no full of enough places where children can become taargets of predator pedophiles he has got to create a home base of his own for such activity? Just one case of an adult propositioning or verbally abusing a child on his approved and sanctioned website and I hope the parents sue him for every penny he and the DNC have for allowing Obama ot exploit children for political gain. This has to be the absolute low that any politician has ever gone to in the history of American politics. Now Obama's website is an open invitation to any online predator to have encouraged access to fresh victims. You know a candidate has to have no morals, and be pretty desperate if the resort to pandering to Kids, like some cereal commercial on TV. Where is the Media outrage of the Exploitation of Children for political gain? I hope he gets hit with a law suit the size of California, his camapign chest is good for what? 30 Million?

An Idiot's Guide to Barack Obama by PerryLogan | June 5, 2008 - 7:54pm article tools: email | print | read more PerryLogan Please take this 10-question quiz on Barack Obama. Write me if you can figure out what the HELL the Democrats were thinking. 1. Barack Obama could best be described as.... 1) a real "gutterball" for the Democrats 2) a crooked Chicago pol 3) The Worst Candidate Everâ„¢ 4) a pimple on John McCain's ass. 2. How many outspoken Hillary supporters have been verbally or physically assaulted by Obamites? 1) All of them 2) Pritineer all of them. 3. Will Michelle Obama be the first "First Lady" to express the desire to "claw [a fellow Democrat's] eyes out," or has this happened before? 1) Yes. She's another Jacqueline Kennedy! 2) No. First Ladies have often used psychotic imagery in speaking of popular Presidents of their own party. 4. Answer yes or no: "Unity" is to Obama's campaign as"fair and balanced" is to Fox News. 5. Answer Yes or No: Does taking your kids to a church where they say "God damn America" for their whole lives constitute child abuse? 6. Select the answer which best completes the sentence, or risk being called a racist: Jettisoning your WHOLE GODDAM CHURCH during the primaries is... 1) the sure sign of a brilliant campaign. 2) only repellant to racists. 3) part of that "Unity thing." 4) not the sort of thing Republicans would capitalize on. 5) just another hit off the Hope Bong.. 7. How well do you think the "misogyny card" will work against John McCain? 1) As well as it did against Hillary--if the media continues to back us up. 2) We can always call his wife a c*nt. 8. How do you explain Obama's enthusiastic following among young voters (other than illiteracy)? 1) Brain damage from ecstasy. 2) Blood poisoning from body piercings and tattoos 3) Give me a break! They think "South Park" is brilliant. 4) If they can't write a good song to save their lives, how can the little twits choose a Presidential candidate? 9. How badly will Obama screw up our prospects for Congress? Will the Republicans regain control of both houses, or will we just be stuck with McCain? 10. Is it good or bad that today's young women will have to fight for abortion rights all over again? _______ Perry Logan http://perrylogan.org/

This man is a nut case, Just who does he think he is? I yjonl the Israelis will object to a junior senator fro the USA telling them how he will devide the Jewish Holy Land. Not even the elected nominee and he is pissing of Israel. Wee Y'all wanted this guy so bad and now yu've got him. I bet Hammas is over joyed ate these atest remarks. Obama clarifies united Jerusalem comment By HILARY LEILA KRIEGER, JERUSALEM POST CORRESPONDENT Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama did not rule out Palestinian sovereignty over parts of Jerusalem when he called for Israel's capital to remain "undivided," his campaign told The Jerusalem Post Thursday "Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided," Obama declared Wednesday, to rousing applause from the 7,000-plus attendees at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee policy conference. But a campaign adviser clarified Thursday that Obama believes "Jerusalem is a final status issue, which means it has to be negotiated between the two parties" as part of "an agreement that they both can live with." "Two principles should apply to any outcome," which the adviser gave as: "Jerusalem remains Israel's capital and it's not going to be divided by barbed wire and checkpoints as it was in 1948-1967." He refused, however, to rule out other configurations, such as the city also serving as the capital of a Palestinian state or Palestinian sovereignty over Arab neighborhoods. "Beyond those principles, all other aspects are for the two parties to agree at final status negotiations," the Obama adviser said. Many on the right of the political spectrum among America's Jews welcomed Obama's remarks at AIPAC, but the clarification of his position left several cold. "The Orthodox Union is extremely disappointed in this revision of Senator Obama's important statement about Jerusalem," said Nathan Diament, director of public policy for the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations. He had sent out a release Wednesday applauding Obama's Jerusalem remarks in front of AIPAC. "In the current context, everyone understands that saying 'Jerusalem... must remain undivided' means that the holy city must remain unified under Israeli rule, as it has been since 1967," Diament explained. "If Senator Obama intended his remarks at AIPAC to be understood in this way, he said nothing that would reasonably lead to such a different interpretation." Morton Klein, president of the Zionist Organization of America and another Jewish activist who had originally lauded Obama's statement, now called the candidate's words "troubling." "It means he used the term inappropriately, possibly to mislead strong supporters of Israel that he supports something he doesn't really believe," Klein charged.

Feb 11th - Democratic strategist Donna Brazile — who managed Al Gore's 2000 presidential campaign and is herself a superdelegate — says she will quit her position within the Democratic Party if her superdelegate colleagues decide the party's nomination. "Let's wait for some of these other states to help sort this out," Brazile, a News & Notes contributor, told Farai Chideya. As Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama continue to run neck-and-neck in amassing the total delegates needed to win the nomination, some have suggested that the party's superdelegates — comprising party activists and high-ranking officials — could make the deciding vote. But Brazile says the superdelegate vote "should reflect the will of the people."

Fellow Hillary Clinton supporters. Hear me out. Believe it or not we now hold the keys to the Whitehouse. The power no longer rests with the Super Delegates, It does not lie with Obama, nor does the power lie with the Democratic party. It is in our hands and we should not relinquish one Iota of it. I know many of you do not feel empowered but you are. You are empowered by the simple fact that we have nothing to loose. There is nothing the MSM can do to us any longer, Nothing the DNC can do to us any longer, nothing any of these parties can do to Hillary or to her supporters. As of tommorow the primaries will be in the record books and after that we are free to do as we please. At this moment in time and all the way to the Democratic National COnvention, the only person that has something to loose is Obama. He is the one that has to prove his case day in and day out every day, until August. We have the lesiure of time and freedom to keep putting our message out there that Hillary is the best candidate. No pressure no worry. We have nothing to loose and yet Hillary and we have everything to gain. We are the 17 million. There has been no more powerful force in American Politics in it's history. So long as we stick together, and remain loyal to Hillary Clinton, in the end there will be no reason to vote for McCain, no need to court the republicans. Because if we stick together we are a force that can not be over come. Let us make a pact that at least until the Democratic National Convention, that we keep the 17 million together. No super delegate can ignore us if we stick together, no millionaire can stand against us, no force in the nation can prevail. If we show this solidarity to our chosen candidate all the way to August and make the case for our candidate day in and day out until August we shall prevail. Our opponents count on us falling apart, tehy are banking that we will loose faith. But we just have to hold on to the simple fact that we have nothing to loose by remaining loyal and everything to gain. We are immune, we are independent we know without a shadow of a doubt who is fit to be President, we have nothing to loose.

Screw you! Unlike the RNC they at least had the nerve to say it to our faces. When you cut through all of the babble of the numbers and the other BS. The ultimate outcome is that fewer than 30 people decided how over 2 million people voted. Make no mistake this is exactely what happened. The phrase "Fair Reflection" was mentioned more than oncce. This phrase appears in the DNC's own charter. Yet there was no fair reflection excersized at this meeting. 30 people with thier own political agenda determined how the 2 million voted. One especially outspoken person even accused 2 million people of cheating in the Michigan and Florida primary elections. Some nearly in tears told the voters that even though you voted for candidate X we are going to give your votes to candidate Y, because even though you voted for candidte X, candidate Y needed more votes so we are giving him some of yours. This meeting bares starteling similarities of the recent Soviet Elections and how Putin is going to remain in power even though another is presidnt. It certainly bares no resembelence to what we as Americans see as fair election practises in the United States. Democracy took three big steps backwards this past Saturday. We as American were told in no uncertain terms that when you vote your vote, paper trail or not is completely open to interpretation and is NOT what determines who the winner shall be. At the very least it clearly demonstrates what the Democratic Party considers a free and fair election process is. And American it is not. No self appointed orgaization can have the power to subvert the sanctity of each and every individual vote, as the DNC just has. All the citizens of the nation should be gravely concerned at the ability of 30 people to make decisions about 2 million, especially from a sel appointed organization. Today it is Florida (again) and Michigan. Tommorrow California, Texas, New York?

Obama Quote

“I had a uncle who was one of the, who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps and the story in our family is that when he came home, he just went up into the attic and he didn’t leave the house for six months, right. Now obviously something had really affected him deeply but at that time there just weren’t the kinds of facilities to help somebody work through that kind of pain,” he said.

This is a scene straight out of a movie, I can see it in my head. Kudos to the first one who, can ID the film.

You might have guessed that this hit a nerve. Yes it dd Obama has just made this personal. He by his words did a great injustice to my family members that were exterminated in the Nazi concentration camps.

Now the campaign pouring salt into the open wound that Barack Hussein Obama wrought, by trying to cover up the intentional use of the name Auschwitz as some slip of the toung. Oh it was his great uncle, and it was Ohrdruf a work camp. But then no one in the audience would have known what he was talking about. Ohrdruf? Never heard of it. But Auschwitz! Now there is a name that has some balls behind it.

Obama fully well knew the lie he was spinning, and using the Auschwitz name for shock vlue, This was done with malice of foethought and because of that the more dispicable of an act. Obama had no problems abusing the dead to make himself a part of the Schindler family and all the others that hid and helped the Jews escape the horrors of the death camps.

This was no Gaffe it was a Cold and Calculated speech to curry favor, He might as well as pinned the Medal of Honor on his chest and called it his own. There is only one word for actions such as this. Disgusting.

Soviet forces were the first to approach a major Nazi camp, reaching Majdanek near Lublin, Poland, in July 1944. Surprised by the rapid Soviet advance, the Germans attempted to hide the evidence of mass murder by demolishing the camp. Camp staff set fire to the large crematorium used to burn bodies of murdered prisoners, but in the hasty evacuation the gas chambers were left standing. In the summer of 1944, the Soviets also overran the sites of the Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka killing centers. The Germans had dismantled these camps in 1943, after most of the Jews of Poland had already been killed.

How dare he take credit for family heroics that is a Bald Faced Lie! On my faters side of the family my dad and my grand ma were the only one to escape the Nazi Death Camps. The russians liberated the majority of the death camps so either Obama is a bald faced Liar or so uninformed on the subject that he has no business going near the subject.

Evaryone who lost family to the horrors of those camps demand an appology for this outright attempt at self glorification by Obama. That does it the man is unworthy of being a dog catcher.

My father took this pohotograph, Obama is scum for using this to glorify his family. Take a good look a real good look. You want a man who would dredge this up and use a LIE saying one of his relatives freed the death camp survivors! I am going to repost thi until you are sick of it. And remember brought to you by Barack Hussein Obama.

Defeat of Nazi Germany, 1942-1945
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The Soviets liberated Auschwitz, the largest extermination and concentration camp, in January 1945. The Nazis had forced the majority of Auschwitz prisoners to march westward (in what would become known as "death marches"), and Soviet soldiers found only several thousand emaciated prisoners alive when they entered the camp. There was abundant evidence of mass murder in Auschwitz. The retreating Germans had destroyed most of the warehouses in the camp, but in the remaining ones the Soviets found personal belongings of the victims. They discovered, for example, hundreds of thousands of men's suits, more than 800,000 women's outfits, and more than 14,000 pounds of human hair.

Soviet forces were the first to approach a major Nazi camp, reaching Majdanek near Lublin, Poland, in July 1944. Surprised by the rapid Soviet advance, the Germans attempted to hide the evidence of mass murder by demolishing the camp. Camp staff set fire to the large crematorium used to burn bodies of murdered prisoners, but in the hasty evacuation the gas chambers were left standing. In the summer of 1944, the Soviets also overran the sites of the Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka killing centers. The Germans had dismantled these camps in 1943, after most of the Jews of Poland had already been killed.

How dare he take credit for family heroics that is a Bald Faced Lie! On my faters side of the family my dad and my grand ma were the only one to escape the Nazi Death Camps. The russians liberated the majority of the death camps so either Obama is a bald faced Liar or so uninformed on the subject that he has no business going near the subject.

Evaryone who lost family to the horrors of those camps demand an appology for this outright attempt at self glorification by Obama. That does it the man is unworthy of being a dog catcher.


Defeat of Nazi Germany, 1942-1945
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The Soviets liberated Auschwitz, the largest extermination and concentration camp, in January 1945. The Nazis had forced the majority of Auschwitz prisoners to march westward (in what would become known as "death marches"), and Soviet soldiers found only several thousand emaciated prisoners alive when they entered the camp. There was abundant evidence of mass murder in Auschwitz. The retreating Germans had destroyed most of the warehouses in the camp, but in the remaining ones the Soviets found personal belongings of the victims. They discovered, for example, hundreds of thousands of men's suits, more than 800,000 women's outfits, and more than 14,000 pounds of human hair.

Hillary Clinton referenced a poem by a Veteran during her Memorial Day Speech Here it is in it's entirity.

The young dead soldiers do not speak.
Nevertheless, they are heard in the still houses:
who has not heard them?
They have a silence that speaks for them at night
and when the clock counts.
They say: We were young. We have died.
Remember us.
They say: We have done what we could
but until it is finished it is not done.
They say: We have given our lives but until it is finished
no one can know what our lives gave.
They say: Our deaths are not ours: they are yours,
they will mean what you make them.
They say: Whether our lives and our deaths were for
peace and a new hope or for nothing we cannot say,
it is you who must say this.
We leave you our deaths. Give them their meaning.
We were young, they say. We have died; remember us.

by Archibald MacLeish,
1892-1982, American Poet

Since no one wants to acknowledge these people other than to wholesale demonize them. I salute all of the civilian contractors that are providing essential services to the Armed Services. You know who you are. Many times embedded with combat units right out there on the front lines. These brave people are not allowed to be armed even for self protection even when many times they are right up there with advanced combat units.

They provide valuable services in establishing communications networks, operating high technology survailence and reconisence equipment and many other roles. They drive truck in supply convoys many time without any military escort through hazardous areas rife with IED's that have killed not just a few. They are translators,electricians, security, cooks, electrical and communications engineers they are there because in thier professions they chose ones that support our forces on the ground and are no less in harms way than our brave sons and daughters.

November 2008