Hey Obama Supporters...
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Even if you believe that it is over, which it isn't, I would ask you to remember that being an ungracious winner is not the proper way to unity in the Fall. In my book being a sore loser is the same as being a sore winner. Pouring salt in a fresh wound equals a big fat "I told you so." I would ask you to consider what good could possibly come of that?
In full disclosure if you don't know...I am an Obama supporter, have been since 12-1-07. It was a tough decision to make. If my Father had ever caught me saying, "I told you so", you can bet I would never say it again. I'm an adult now, I no longer entertain such thoughts.
This rancor is not exclusive to either camp but it is time to let the better part of your nature bloom. I'm just sayin'...OK.
In full disclosure if you don't know...I am an Obama supporter, have been since 12-1-07. It was a tough decision to make. If my Father had ever caught me saying, "I told you so", you can bet I would never say it again. I'm an adult now, I no longer entertain such thoughts.
This rancor is not exclusive to either camp but it is time to let the better part of your nature bloom. I'm just sayin'...OK.
I will try really hard to reform my communication from this point forward.
Beat McCain at all costs.
When was the last time someone placed an "F*** Obama" note on your windshield at the college campus?
When was the last time you caucused and a guy walks up and says, "Obama (Hillary) Supporters should be banned from our City?"
When was the last time people yelled, "F*** Obama out of their car windows as they slowly drove past your home?
When was the last time your Obama sign was taken down on your front window?
When was the last time a window was broken so that they could take your Obama sign out of the inside of your window?
Oh, maybe you mean pointing out that Hatred is Not a Family Value We can Believe in? Is that the brutality you meant?
Not all of them, though.
When I see the stupid stuff some people put up about Hillary that make no sense and the anti-Obama stuff from those same folk, it upsets me.
She's still trying to win; and that's OK as long as her purpose isn't to divide or disrupt the party and keep it from winning in the fall. Right now, though, she is so far behind I am sure she will eventually lose. If she doesn't there will be a strong third party in 2012.
Mike W
Tulsa+
Who also prefers civility
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There is a time to fight. There is also a time to turn the other cheek.
My eyes are on the upcoming war against the GOPee, not the battle against a fellow democrat.
That is a funny word now isn't it?
Obama: I just do not have recall of Nadhmi Auchi (the Iraq Billionaire who I toasted at Rezko Trial Star Witness's home).
Mr. Reasonable.
McCain: We have all become familiar with Senator Obama's new brand of politics. First, you demand civility from your opponent, then you attack him, distort his record and send out surrogates to question his integrity. It is called hypocrisy, and it is the oldest kind of politics there is.
It is important to focus on what Senator Obama is attempting to do here: He is trying desperately to delegitimize the discussion of issues that raise legitimate questions about his judgment and preparedness to be President of the United States.
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Obama is a politician.
Hillary is a politician.
Auchi also swears he has never met Obama in his life.
Ever try questioning Stuart Levine's integrity?
No, you just want to slime Obama with lies.
I am not gloating over Obama's winning this contest against the biggest machine in American politics. But it is a classic David v Goliath story which will be retold through the generations.
McCain would be a disaster for the country; both of the Democrats would be a vast improvement. This (Democratic) nomination contest has been like a box of chocolates - we had a wealth of great choices. But some people just want to throw the whole box down the sink now we're down to two pieces.
Michigan has 157 delegates - not 175. How do you suppose she could be awarded ALL 157 delegates?
Fight the republicans, not each other.
Peace,
Barb
Well, for that ideal alone, I can morally and ethically state that forcing other people to think similar is not the ideal that our ancestors-- yes mine too, some who also came on the Mayflower, some Cherokee, some early colonialists--died for in our various revolutions.
This one is inside the Democratic Party, the oldest Party, one of the most powerful, and We the People are not to be bullied by liberal fascists. As someone who voted for Jesse Jackson, lifelong voting as a democrat I feel my soul obligation is to the Constitution, especially Freedom of Religion.
Religion gives us the ethics and moral ideals which we can work through our issues in life. My ideal is that no other person has the right to oppress or suppress others in the pursuit of the American Dream. That said, I have the Audacity to Feel Freedom in the Face of Absurdity.
"I cannot tell a lie": I cannot vote for Obama.
Great post Shopman, and I have to say I am surprised by on or two Obama supporters that have replied to this post, not the behavior I expected and it's disappointing to see. The first lesson you teach children is good sportsmanship and how to be a gracious winner; perhaps some of you need to go hang out with the Little League and learn a few lessons.
I'm not much for speculation other than for egotistical political acumen, but I do foresee a day when either Hillary or Barack is vigorously campaigning for the other...at least that is my wish.
Too many are ready to take all of this personal, it isn't. It's politics.
True Democrats will remain true Democrats, Independants with remain so as will true Republicans.
The change in the world and in Washington, starts with you.
We are a family, dysfunctional at times, but a family.
Now is the time to care for each other.
Being glib and insensitive to those who are hurt is not helpful, and does us no favors.
We all care deeply, that is a good thing.
Not everyone cares at all. So can we agree that since we all care....we should all care for each other.
I just apologized on another post, for all of those who have hurt Hillary supporters.
I wish we would all pledge to mend the fences and REALLY
Build the Party.
Thanks, Shop.
Peace is coming,
marsha
I agree about eliminating the ugliness, and I definitely understand the passion for one's chosen candidate.
I have no problem with the "true" Hillary supporters who support her in earnest because they believe she is the best candidate.
The problem I have is with the other supporters who clearly through their posts, you can ascertain that their passion for HRC is secondary to hatefulness. Most of their passion for HRC is fueled by hate - so they are not true Hillary supporters, only Obama haters.
Peace!
Touche'!
I will give all I can.
Those who do not give need our prayers.
peace is cominng,
marsha
while i support Obama as the better candidate, i am respectfully asking that should he become our nominee i hope that Clinton supporters will find it in their hearts to make an honest attempt to get to know this man and listen to his ideas - i hope you find it in your hearts to cast a vote in support of our party and our shared ideals.
we need your votes - we cannot win without them - and we need you at the table when the next democratic president is sworn into office on January 2009.
best,
d. tree
Peace to you all,
m
I have not been on much the past few days busy at work but I take it from your comments that there have been posts bragging, etc.
Obama has not been declared and as for Hillary, I'm glad she is still in. for a number of reasons: it gives people in all states a chance to have the candidates come to their state and spend money and it gives the citizens a chance to meet a future president and shake hands with him or her. It also gives a lot of us a chance to talk about things that have to do with our party that we might not want to bring up in the general election. Topics like the DLC and NAFTA for example. In the General election we (at least those of us who stay with the Democratic nominee) must really band together for our party and the candidate--be it Hillary or Obama (or perhaps BOTH).
I say go to the end, resolve Michigan and Florida to the satisfaction of all (or at least the majority) and declare the candidate sometime the first week of June.
Not that I'm superstitious, but isn't it bad juju to predict the future?
I do not believe all Democrats in America that voted for Senator Clinton want McCain as President.
Its a small group of socalled Democrats.
Theri will be united within the Democratic Party as Moderates will see that we need to beat McCain in November not vote for McCain in November.
Good post but by some of the comments you have by Clinton supporters at least for now they are angry that Obama took Clinton out of the nomination and their feeling are deeply hurt .
For me if by a miricle Hillary did win the nomination I would reserve my vote in November and nor vote for anyone period.
To me Bush and Clinton are the same no difference.
Thats by opinion.
At least, thats what all the Obama supporters
scream at me.
So go ahead. Tell us again how you don't need us,
child. Go ahead. Your probably too young to
remember going hungry under Reagan. Your too
young to remember the fallout over Watergate.
Tell us again how you don't need us, child.
Just keep your nose in your books, get your
degree, while the rest of us slave away everyday
trying to eek out a living. You're safe and happy
at college. Try living in the REAL WORLD. You won't be able too WITHOUT US!
1. They do not consider the Clinton's liberal enough. Never mind the fact that only Southern white male Dems have been successful in the last 40 years as Presidential candidates.
2. They are/were jealous and/or scared of the Clinton's power and popularity within The Party.
3. A lot of these so-called liberals, secretly don't like women!
4. Women are their own worst enemies. Several Dem Super Delegates picture themselves as the first female POTUS. Hillary must be stopped, if they are to succeed later.
So we are being forced to accept the Obamessiah. A man who can't explain just what "CHANGE" will mean. A man who tells us his judgement is more important than experience, and then fails to show good judgement(Rezko, Wright, Ayres, etc.).
Obama also has a poor track record for actually getting anything done. He refers to legislation he worked on to make nuclear plants report leaks as a major accomplishment. Problem is, he let the bill get watered down until it was toothless, and then it didn't pass anyway.
He seems to be a man who crave the limelight and avoids the heavy lifting. After being elected to the Ill. State Senate, he almost immediately ran for Congress. Failing that, he ran for the U.S. Senate. Getting to the U.S. Senate, he got frustrated with the reality of being a freshman Senator, and started looking for a new office. He was planning to run for Gov. of Illinois, until the left-wing of the DNC conviced him to go for President. When he gets bored with being POTUS, then what?
Obama is a life-long, politician that claims he is not a politician. His campaign attacked the Clinton's for being racists, when his campaign (Jesse Jackson, Jr.) was the first to play the race card in New Hampshire. Republicans who helped him in his earlier primary and caucus wins were converts, but any Republican who votes for Hillary is trying to game the system.
If I wanted some under-qualified, egotistical, smug bastard as President, I would have voted for George W. in 2004.
The reality is, that despite his lead in elected delegates, Obama is not the choice over over 50% of registered Democrats. His lead comes form gaming the caucus system, and from Republican support. The GOP wanted to kill off Hillary, almost as badly as MoveOn.org.
So now we are going to have to choose between," and terd sandwich and a giant douche", to quote South Park.
I will vote straight ticket Democrat again in 2008, but NOT for OBAMA!!!
I'm afraid Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean, and the whole Hee Haw Gang, have given us another George McGovern. I thought that what the Super Delegates system was supposed to prevent. How do we win in November without Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, etc.?