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Frank Rich on Obama's win. Even though I post a lot on other folks' blogs, I don't write that many from scratch. After all Frank Rich is a trained writer; and I'm a tired preacher.


Anyway, here is a link to Frank Rich's column in todays New York Times:


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Five Stars
By Liz Jun 8th 2008 at 4:42 pm EDT
At last someone has said it and so well. Thanks for sharing.
Re: Five Stars
By Liz Jun 8th 2008 at 4:44 pm EDT
I take heart that we will have that real celebration in November. I've already planned a party at my home.

Then we can celebrate fully and the world with us in January when we have President Barack Obama.
  
Re: gargage in gargage out
By Mike Barack Hussein Jun 8th 2008 at 5:07 pm EDT
I'm not sure what gargage is; but I assume you mean garbage.

You aren't very specific in your post; but it seems you're trying to downgrade Obama's intelligence, leadership skills, and experience because he is also a motivating leader.

The "how" will depend on lots of things:

Whether we're bankrupt as a nation come January 2009 would be one question.

How long the lines at the food bank become between now and next January. I have noticed the lines getting increasingly longer and the amount of food getting increasingly scarcer there.

What's happening in Iraq is a question and whether Bush went ahead (with permission from "she who shall not be named") with bombing Iran in the hopes it would help get McCain elected. (Since we all know Bush starts wars because he's the war president, not because there is a legitimate reason to start a war.)

How many more homeless folk will we have by next January due to the housing market collapse?

You can try to reduce Obama if you want (though you should take it to a different site); but he is OUR nominee (if you are a Democrat); and I, at 63, believe he is the best candidate of my lifetime. There is substance, intellect, leadership skill. ability to bring people of various backgrounds, AND charisma to this candidate.

He's going to inherit a mess no matter what the next several months bring. But as for voting for anyone else, I think many (maybe most) Republicans will jump the fence and vote for him.
Re: gargage in gargage out
By Sandi Jun 8th 2008 at 5:27 pm EDT
Please read my posts!
Women
By Sandi Jun 8th 2008 at 5:12 pm EDT
Most Women are practical, we have learned to dream the dream, have the imagination but we mix practicality in there, we have to rise higher, climb bigger mountains. We know living is a business and multitask so our children grow with values, principles and imagination. In the real world, we have the duty to protect our families, protect our young. We are the Lionesses that protect the home front while the boys make war, playing games of risk in the market or in the poker game. We hear the dreams, we build the foundation for them to get there.

Without women, the world would be in chaos. How did we try to achieve peace in Afganistan, in Ireland, in all the other countries. Go to the women. Real grass root politics is a woman trying with all her heart to achieve peace and protect her young and have a better life for her young. The lofty words of a politicians cannot match the peace process of women banded together.
Re: Women
By Mike Barack Hussein Jun 8th 2008 at 9:03 pm EDT
I'm not sure what your point is.

Do you believe Hillary deserved the presidency because she is a woman and women have done good things in the past?

I don't think so; but that's what I get out of your post.

You cannot equate what Hillary has done as being the same as what Bill has done. I know she was bound to disagree with him sometimes; and yet she supported him on things like NAFTA and sounded like she believed in it at the time.

Outside of her being a woman, what is it about her that makes you believe she deserves the presidency more than Obama?

Before you answer, though, remember I believe that the fact that he DID beat her means he is a better leader and administrator than she is. That ought to be enough for most people to see that he is the superior candidate.

Or to misquote a line: "Sometimes the best man for the job IS a man."
The change we believe in
By Diana M. Painter Jun 8th 2008 at 5:24 pm EDT
is more then expecting one individual to fix the problems in this world (like Mike enumerated).

Change comes when there are more people involved, on the ground, getting elected to county commissioners, city councils, school boards, and state positions. People who have not been involved in politics (ew, what a dirty word) or campaigns have come out of the woodwork for Obama. From the recycling program to getting city buses to run on ethanol, or attracting more green jobs, and investing in the education of the people who will bring this Green Economy, these are people Obama has inspired this year. It is amazing here in the 3rd most republican state in the country to have these people come out and reshape the world with their values.

These are the people who will inform the policy.

These are the people who change the world.

It doesn't take just one smart person as POTUS, it takes all of us. Obama won't be alone in his goals. And he will have expert advisers who are also excited to help him. We have unions of scientists ready to get on board, we have plenty of people with informed educated ideas on how foreign policy will go in the future.

It is support like this that Clinton helped succeed, and we can bring that success and prosperity once again with Obama at the helm.

But don't forget to help your local democrats get elected to congress. This is something else we must not underestimate if Democrats want to re-achieve the success of Clinton.
  
Clinton Is No Bush
By Z Rho Jun 8th 2008 at 5:10 pm EDT
Though I agree with most of this article, I have to agree with Valley in that you can never compare Bill or Hillary Clinton to Bush.
Re: Clinton Is No Bush
By Sandi Jun 8th 2008 at 5:14 pm EDT
This is sad, this is why Obama will lose. The Clintons did so much for this Country. It is so disrespectful and Democrats should not eat their own and take on Republican Mantra.
Re: Clinton Is No Bush
By Mike Barack Hussein Jun 8th 2008 at 9:06 pm EDT
So Obama will lose because he is the better candidate?

Again, your response seems to be to something other than what your responded to.
Re: Clinton Is No Bush
By Mike Barack Hussein Jun 8th 2008 at 9:16 pm EDT
Also, talking about Republican mantra, that was Hillary's technique in the primaries. She IS more Republican than Obama in general in her voting AS IN FOR THE IRAQ WAR AND ESSENTIALLY GIVING BUSH PERMISSION TO ATTACK IRAQ AT WILL.

This doesn't show any disrespect to Bill Clinton, though he needs some disrespect because of the way he spoke in this campaign and for his belief he was above the law just because he was set up.

Hillary, OTOH, apparently has been a good senator for the most part for the people of New York. Saying that, though, I don't know any other MAJOR work she's done that would prepare her to be president. Somehow I think Obama will be able to find his way around the White House and someone else will be getting the fancy meals together.

NOR do I believe Michelle (also brilliant) will be ready to be president after Obama. She'll learn a few helpful things. He might even put her to work on significant agenda items if she wants. Even that doesn't prepare one to be president.

For that matter, even being vice-president doesn't prepare one to be president. The only way to be ready is to be elected and go. That's what every president has had to do.

How much "experience" did Harry Truman have when he was elected president?
  
Frank Rich
By Activist/Scientist Jun 8th 2008 at 5:13 pm EDT
I no longer want to hear the opinions of people who are paid to attempt to join people in their point of view. I think for myself. Everyone has an opinion but I rather deal with fact. Mike, do not contact me again to hear the self proclaimed righteous preach.
I am only interested in what is relative to the facts.
Re: Frank Rich
By Sandi Jun 8th 2008 at 5:15 pm EDT
Thank you!!!
Re: Frank Rich
By Mike Barack Hussein Jun 8th 2008 at 9:09 pm EDT
So facts are only facts when YOU say so?

I'm having a hard time with the train of thought of many on this site today.

I read that it is a Democratic site; and yet too many are advocating going against Democrats right now. Others are putting down our very successful candidate who WILL beat McCain badly this fall in spite of their attempts at biting off their own noses to spite their faces.

In having said this, I DO remember (and so should all) that a lot of the negative stuff we're reading right now is written by Republicans in Democrat clothing as part of their "Chaos" campaign.
  
I AM TIRED
By Sandi Jun 8th 2008 at 5:24 pm EDT
of Religous Zealots, and paid pundants. The preacher should get back to the work of teaching salvation in their Church, and the paid pundants need to be cast out of the American Debate. Facts are all I want to hear, not someones opinion that is misdirected and misleading. I am tired of men disrespecting women, disrespecting the reason they are here in the first place. I am tired of the sexist comments, the pokes, the jabs, the disgusting remarks. Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton are the only reason in the last 40 years that we have any hope with deeds instead of rhetoric. I am ashamed of the Pastor that hurts anyone, I am ashamed of the Pastor that plays politics. It is an abomination against the spirit of Christ!
Re: I AM TIRED
By Mike Barack Hussein Jun 8th 2008 at 9:11 pm EDT
And yet you haven't been in that church nor have you likely listened to a single complete sermon from that church.

You're giving too much credit to preachers in the first place. 90% of the people in the pew think their jobs is to comfort the afflicted rather than the other way around ISTM.

Besides that, Obama is NOT the preacher. He just attended and took part in ministry there. If people didn't do ministry with imperfect pastors, there would be no one doing ministry.