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OBAMA NOW ALLOWS FULL DELEGATION OF FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN - SO MUCH FOR RULES!
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WASHINGTON - Now that Barack Obama has clinched the Democratic nomination for president, he wants convention delegates from Florida and Michigan to have full voting rights at the party's national convention.


Obama sent a letter Sunday to the party's credentials committee, asking members to reinstate the delegates' voting rights when the committee meets at the start of the convention in Denver.

The delegates were originally stripped because the two states violated party rules by holding primaries before Feb. 5. The delegates from each state were given half-votes at a contentious party meeting in May, as part of a compromise designed to give two important states some role at the convention.

Obama's former Democratic rival, Hillary Rodham Clinton, had won both primaries, though Obama's name was not on the Michigan ballot and neither candidate campaigned in Florida.

"I believe party unity calls for the delegates from Florida and Michigan to be able to participate fully alongside the delegates from the other states and territories," Obama said in the letter.

Some of Clinton's supporters were outraged that the delegates were not fully reinstated in May. They were also angry that Obama claimed some of the delegates won by Clinton in Michigan.

Party leaders in Michigan had developed a plan to award Obama delegates even though he wasn't on the ballot. Their plan served as the basis for the eventual compromise approved by the party's rules and bylaws committee.

Obama clinched the Democratic nomination three days later, and he has been working to win over Clinton's supporters ever since.

Florida has 211 delegates, including superdelegates, and Michigan has 156. Both states are expected to be contested in the November election.

Obama's endorsement virtually guarantees the delegates will have full voting rights. Clinton, who also has supporters on the credentials committee, had lobbied to reinstate the delegates.

Florida Democratic Party Chairwoman Karen Thurman said, "Today is a proud day for all of us who fought so hard to ensure Floridians votes are fully counted."

She said Obama's request proves "his commitment to uniting the party and ending the uncertainty surrounding the process."

The three co-chairs of the credentials committee issued a statement Sunday saying the issue of Florida and Michigan would be a "top priority" at their meeting.

"As always our goal is to ensure a fair process and a unified Democratic Party so that we can win in November," wrote Alexis Herman, James Roosevelt Jr. and Eliseo Roques-Arroyo.

Granting full voting rights to the delegates raises questions about whether the party will be able to control its own nominating process in the future.

Obama said he supported the party's efforts to control the primary calendar.

"As we prepare to come together in Denver, however, we must be â€" and will be â€" united in our determination to change the course of our nation," Obama said.

Both parties struggled to control their primary calendars this year, with states jockeying to increase their influence by moving their nominating contests earlier. The Republicans penalized five states for holding contests before Feb. 5, stripping them of half their delegates: Florida, Michigan, New Hampshire, Wyoming and South Carolina.

Republican presidential candidate John McCain has not publicly pressed for their reinstatement, though many GOP insiders expect them to have full voting rights as well.

The Democrats had stripped all the delegates from Florida and Michigan, and both Obama and Clinton agreed not to campaign in the states before their primaries, which were held in January. Obama and Clinton went on to wage a historic fight for the nomination, with Florida and Michigan on the sidelines until the outcome was decided

TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE. WHAT AN ASSWIPE

Reader Comments
  
Hi Sandi
By WRM Aug 3rd 2008 at 4:37 pm EDT (Updated Aug 3rd 2008 at 4:37 pm EDT)
Hope you're having a good day. :)
  
Personal attacks on others will not be tolerated. Deleted by admin
Re: This indicates that Clinton must have caved on having her name placed in nomination at the convention.
By Sandi Aug 3rd 2008 at 4:50 pm EDT (Updated Aug 3rd 2008 at 4:50 pm EDT)
So sad that he put the Democratic Party through hell and back. Another thug in office, just like Bush. Strong arm and filthy politics.
Re: This indicates that Clinton must have caved on having her name placed in nomination at the convention.
By wantedfairness Aug 3rd 2008 at 5:03 pm EDT (Updated Aug 3rd 2008 at 5:03 pm EDT)
This is the problem with Obama.
He stands for so little other than his own personal interest which renders his own slogan of change nothing more than meaningless words.
Re: This indicates that Clinton must have caved on having her name placed in nomination at the convention.
By WOMAN Aug 3rd 2008 at 5:35 pm EDT (Updated Aug 3rd 2008 at 5:35 pm EDT)
Well, when your back is against the wall - his numbers didn't jump like they thought they would from his world tour of hope and change.

He seems to be pulling at strings now. While I believe you may be accurate in your assessment, I still do not believe he can afford not to have a roll call.
Re: This indicates that Clinton must have caved on having her name placed in nomination at the convention.
By hazens Aug 3rd 2008 at 6:22 pm EDT (Updated Aug 3rd 2008 at 6:22 pm EDT)
She did ask for her name to be withdrawn.
  
Not in favor
By David Lester Young Aug 3rd 2008 at 5:09 pm EDT (Updated Aug 3rd 2008 at 5:09 pm EDT)
Even the Republican did not give full status back to Florida and Michigan. So know they are going to be ahead of the pack come next election.

It is like a Halliburtin Contract that has faults in it, it still get the deal.

If I would have been the Democratic Party I would have installed them at intervals.

I agree that they need to be there but they broke the rules. Reminds me of a movie about those Texas Cheerleaders who kept breaking the rules until someone had enough.

Okay said and done come up with a Lottery system where a small state starts it of with a large state soon after, luck of the draw, so there are no fingers to point.

Also a rethink on the Superdelegates need to be done by the state branches of the Democratic Parties, the power must be shared between the states and Washington. One thing that no candidate may openly promise or imply anything that meetings have a neutral monitor. Also that Superdelegates cannot start selecting at least until a month into the campaign. The idea of staring with a top of delegates without having the first primary is a little unnerving.
Re: Not in favor
By hazens Aug 3rd 2008 at 6:25 pm EDT (Updated Aug 3rd 2008 at 6:25 pm EDT)
How about no Super delegates at all. Is this a democratic process or not. One vote per person. Person with the most wins. Pretty simple concept. SD are just inside party leaders that candidate's now have to suck up to, it is ridiculous that we even have them.
  
She's lucky she got ANY delegates
By DPD Aug 3rd 2008 at 5:11 pm EDT (Updated Aug 3rd 2008 at 5:11 pm EDT)
She SIGNED this:

The Four State Pledge: Link

And Hillary's campaign manager Harold Ickes was the one who increased the penalty from "half vote" to ZERO vote, back when he thought Hillary would have it sewn up on Super Tuesday. She didn't and then the game playing began.

SHE even stated HERSELF on NPR that "Michigan won't "Michigan Won't "Count for Anything"" (Listen to the audio)

Is there ANY pleasing you Hillbot zombie deadender cultists?

Sheesh, she LOST even after gaming the system and trying to change the rules every chance she thought she could.
Re: She's lucky she got ANY delegates
By DPD Aug 3rd 2008 at 5:14 pm EDT (Updated Aug 3rd 2008 at 5:14 pm EDT)
Sorry, audio link didn't take.

Listen here: Link
  
Re: Hi Sandi
By WOMAN Aug 3rd 2008 at 5:32 pm EDT (Updated Aug 3rd 2008 at 5:32 pm EDT)
I agree.

I believe they are becoming very concerned that the selected-not-elected candidate, although able to heavy hand the nomination of his party, will not be victorious in the general election.

So, their hope probably is that this will please the people of Michigan and Florida enough that they will vote for him anyway. I don't know if that will work, I lived in Florida for nine years - those people do not forget.

They still need to address the concerns of millions of other Democrats.
  
Re: She's lucky she got ANY delegates
By DPD Aug 3rd 2008 at 5:37 pm EDT (Updated Aug 3rd 2008 at 5:37 pm EDT)
Hillary was the one who was coming up with new "rules' EVERY TIME she put Lanny Davis and Terry McCauliffe on the tube to lie for her. If Harold Ickes (HER campaign manager) decided that FL and MI get ZERO delegates, she deserves ZERO delegates from those 2 states. As I said, she's lucky she even got half votes, now she can have full votes but it still won't be enough to win a damn thing.

Perhaps your head is elsewhere other than in the sand, unless you are currently sitting on a beach.
  
Re: This indicates that Clinton must have caved on having her name placed in nomination at the convention.
By WOMAN Aug 3rd 2008 at 6:03 pm EDT (Updated Aug 3rd 2008 at 6:03 pm EDT)
You should know better - he wouldn't even wear the flag pin until razzed into doing it.
  
Disparaging comments will not be tolerated.
Re: She's lucky she got ANY delegates
By wantedfairness Aug 3rd 2008 at 6:19 pm EDT (Updated Aug 3rd 2008 at 6:19 pm EDT)
Same old same old, but hardly change for the better.

its like the back room caucus overturning the majority primary and handing the delegates again to HIM rather than the winner of the state primary.

And they claim this great victory and wonder why the party is so fractured.

its because we did not see a true winner, we saw back room politics again and again.
Re: She's lucky she got ANY delegates
By DPD Aug 3rd 2008 at 9:05 pm EDT (Updated Aug 3rd 2008 at 9:05 pm EDT)
What??

What "back room" politics are tou talking about? HE WOM more delegates and HE "won" the "popular vote" (which was NEVER the purpose of the DELEGATE race. It was for DELEGATES NOT crazy Hillbot zoomed out droid deadender cultists.

SHE L-O-S-T~!

She sent out fund raising letters supporting Obama. She has asked the PUMA assholes to cool it (because it WILL hurt her in a Senate race in NY, which is coming up SOON...unless THAT is your PUMA ultimate goal?)


Knock it off with the breath holding and foot stomping.

GROW UP!

She came in 2nd in an 8 way race.

Not too shabby, unlike the actions of her so called supporters.

YOU Hillbot deadender zombie cultists are HURTING HWE~

Stop it!

Stop it!

Stop making her look like a crazed menopausal screeching irrational lunatic.

SHE has told YOU to knock it off. If you persist in this divisive crapola it is obvious that you are nothing but a Pug plant posing as a Dem.

She LOST. She KNOWS it. She still has a Senate career to worry about.

STOP making HER look bad! She could be Majority Leader in a few years if YOU just realize the damage YOU are doing and STOP SPEAKING FOR HER!Perhaps you Hillbot deadender cultists should actually listen to HER and realize that SHE wants you cultists to STOP IT!

Grow up, for the sake of the Party and Country!

She L-O-S-T! She will NOT challenge it at the convention because she DOES NOT wish to be publicly humiliated in front of a world-wide audience.

GROW UP! STOP IT! She DOES NOT want your irrational behavior to continue and damage her future!
  
Re: She's lucky she got ANY delegates
By DPD Aug 3rd 2008 at 6:29 pm EDT (Updated Aug 3rd 2008 at 6:29 pm EDT)
Look Bozo. SHE signed the 4 State plrdge. She "deserves" NOTHING. She tried to game the system and failed. The so called "cheering" was for the RULES being upheld. Why do YOU think signed contracts are optional? Using your flawed logic, New England won the Super Bowl because they really, really wanted it.

THEY LOST! So did SHE!

Grow up and stop acting like a 2 year old on the floor of a K-Mart screaming for a new Hillary doll.
Re: She's lucky she got ANY delegates
By hazens Aug 3rd 2008 at 6:37 pm EDT (Updated Aug 3rd 2008 at 6:37 pm EDT)
If the pledge was signed then he signed it to and they should not be reinstating them. Why do this it is not a wise move. Just creates trouble.
Re: She's lucky she got ANY delegates
By Terry Aug 3rd 2008 at 10:13 pm EDT (Updated Aug 3rd 2008 at 10:13 pm EDT)
TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE, ASSWIPE

Another flip flop

All you Clinton haters, do not come asking for my vote
  
Re: Hi Sandi
By WOMAN Aug 3rd 2008 at 6:02 pm EDT (Updated Aug 3rd 2008 at 6:02 pm EDT)
My problem is how does the presumptive nominee have the authority to recommend a change of the rules?

They're nervous. They're darn well nervous and they should be.

Arrogance will slap you every time.
Re: Hi Sandi
By wantedfairness Aug 3rd 2008 at 6:17 pm EDT (Updated Aug 3rd 2008 at 6:17 pm EDT)
Well when he did NOT want their vote counted they did as he asked.

Yes, the problem with Obama is his very own history.
Instead of one of great accomplishment in terms of grand legislation, there is a history of having others simply striken from the ballot and insuring lack of choice.

There is a history of present votes, non votes and acts primarily based on what is good for himself rather than the population as a whole.
  
You know....
By Sue Sue's Straight Talk Express Aug 3rd 2008 at 6:27 pm EDT (Updated Aug 3rd 2008 at 6:27 pm EDT)
When I read this, I decided to click on the comments because I knew this was going to start a firestorm of angry Clintonites. It is Clinton or bust.
  
Bad idea
By hazens Aug 3rd 2008 at 6:35 pm EDT (Updated Aug 3rd 2008 at 6:35 pm EDT)
Seems like a bad idea to me, the decision was made I don't see the point in making people angry all over again. This will not be seen as a good gesture on his part it will seem like something he was only willing to do when he knew it would not effect the outcome. Honestly this is why the democratic party is seen as weak. We don't stand behind decisions once they are made.
Re: Bad idea
By DPD Aug 4th 2008 at 1:28 am EDT (Updated Aug 4th 2008 at 1:28 am EDT)
It "seems" to you. SHE was mathematically eliminated in March. SHE kept the circus on the road because SHE racked up an enormous debt through HER own mismanagement. That is the ONLY reason she kept the illusion on the tube. MONEY!