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but please, please, for the sake of this party, will someone read this? If it's really true that the Democrats have become a party of entitlements, and I"m afraid they are, based on the things I've read about all the things "OBama's government" will give to us that we've never had before, then we are done.

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/25/the-acorn-obama-knows/

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By charctine Jun 26th 2008 at 3:20 pm EDT
Re: Link
By Woman at Large Jun 26th 2008 at 3:25 pm EDT
Thank you for that. I can't find the hyperlink button...
Re: Link
By charctine Jun 26th 2008 at 3:26 pm EDT
You're welcome!
  
Re: For Sure
By Woman at Large Jun 26th 2008 at 3:29 pm EDT
Look, I'm a Democrat but I'm a taxpayer too. I believe in people working for what they have, if they're able. I'm tired of the Civil War/slavery accusations; my ancestors didn't enslave anyone, and they climbed out of the prejudicial bog that faced them when they came here. I don't want my government turned into a huge free lunch where eveyone who has a gripe gets a handout. How embarrassing! Entitlement has nothing to do with the Democratic principle of government by the people. How did we get in this mess?
Re: For Sure
By charctine Jun 26th 2008 at 3:40 pm EDT
I agree. There is helping and there are handouts. I am all for helping, but as far as handouts, I work for a living and pay taxes to help support my family. That is difficult enough in this day and age, let alone having to work to support millions of others who "feel entitled" to a free ride.
Re: For Sure
By Sue Sue's Straight Talk Express Jun 26th 2008 at 3:41 pm EDT
What are you talking about. Do you even understand what the entitlement programs are? They have nothing to do with Civil rights or slavery!
Re: For Sure
By Woman at Large Jun 26th 2008 at 3:44 pm EDT
Am totally cognizant of the difference between the "give me!" of entitlement and the "You did this to me, so you owe me" of the slavery argument, thanks. I won't buy either argument any more. Native Americans were used shamefully as this country was developed, too, but they haven't resorted to drive-by shootings and drug dealing to wreak their revenge.
Re: For Sure
By Karstar Jun 26th 2008 at 4:03 pm EDT
Neither have African Americans -

The press is leading you down the wrong road.

I will post a blog.
Re: For Sure
By Sue Sue's Straight Talk Express Jun 26th 2008 at 4:04 pm EDT
She must be watching fox news
Re: For Sure
By Woman at Large Jun 26th 2008 at 4:43 pm EDT
sorry, Karstar, but on this we disagree. I live in northeastern Ohio. We have at least three drive-by shootings/ drug arrests/drug-related holdups etc. every week. I am sure much (most?) of it is related to our terrible job situation, but it is mostly black on black crime. I cringe for the children. No one will walk in our downtown after dark any more.
Re: For Sure
By Woman at Large Jun 26th 2008 at 4:45 pm EDT
And hey, buddy, I AM the press, remember? For 30 years I was, anyhow, and let me tell you I never had to twist the facts to give anyone this story as I'm giving it to you. I worried 20 years ago about where the combination of anger/entitlement philosophy would take our young black men, and I was right: it's taking them to jail or to an early grave. I believe education is the only way out, not special treatment.
  
Re: Are you serious? Michelle Malkin !!
By Woman at Large Jun 26th 2008 at 3:33 pm EDT
I think she's a literate and focused writer.
Re: Are you serious? Michelle Malkin !!
By Woman at Large Jun 26th 2008 at 3:37 pm EDT
And Ben, Wikipedia is written by anyone with an opinion. Can't exactly call it an authority. I'd say Michelle's opinions are as valid as anyone else's in the newsroom. And BTW, I come from a newspapering background. You don't fire syndicated columnists, you just stop paying their syndication fees if their opinion clashes with yours or your publisher's.
  
Reclaim Disenfranchised Voters
By WOMAN Jun 26th 2008 at 3:29 pm EDT
I feel your pain. The Democratic Party has become a party of entitlement because we're being led by people who have been entitled.

This new voter registration drive they came up with - which mainly consists of the generation of entitlement - the younger voters who were never interested in politics, has suddenly taken over; and they're being guided by leaders who feel entitled themselves.

It has taken the steam out of us who've fought hard for decades against the elite. And it's sad to see that the elite are suddenly sitting at our table, taking everything for themselves.

Arrogance will not benefit any ordinary voter. Arrogance and invisibility will not reclaim disenfranchised voters. We were once the party of the people, for the people. Where did that Democratic Party go?
Re: Reclaim Disenfranchised Voters
By Woman at Large Jun 26th 2008 at 3:31 pm EDT
"It has taken the steam out of us who've fought hard for decades against the elite. And it's sad to see that the elite are suddenly sitting at our table, taking everything for themselves.

Arrogance will not benefit any ordinary voter. Arrogance and invisibility will not reclaim disenfranchised voters. We were once the party of the people, for the people. Where did that Democratic Party go? "

What a perfect way to put it! It went away from me, that's for sure.
Re: Reclaim Disenfranchised Voters
By charctine Jun 26th 2008 at 3:36 pm EDT
I couldn't have said it better.
Re: Reclaim Disenfranchised Voters
By WOMAN Jun 26th 2008 at 3:41 pm EDT
I find it very sad. In the 70's-80' we went out to help the people, we were inclusive.

Now the Democratic Party seems to be exclusive.

That's where the Party has lost its way with these leaders - Howard, Nancy, Donna and Barack.

They aren't inclusive, listening to all sides concerned; they are exclusive, if you don't fit their mold you're not included.

That leaves millions and millions of ordinary voters out of the picture.

There are millions of us who cannot have that Starbucks because we have to put that liquid in our gas tank.

WHO WILL SPEAK FOR THEM NOW?

WAKE UP DEMOCRATS!
  
And Yet,
By charctine Jun 26th 2008 at 3:29 pm EDT
People wonder why some of us have serious doubts about him. They think we are just "sore losers", when actually these are serious concerns and could indicate the way he could run our country!
  
Re: ....Sore losers?
By Woman at Large Jun 26th 2008 at 3:39 pm EDT
I'm such a sore loser that I've gone from "serious doubts" to pure fear!
Re: ....Sore losers?
By charctine Jun 26th 2008 at 3:41 pm EDT
Me too!
:)
  
What?
By Sue Sue's Straight Talk Express Jun 26th 2008 at 3:40 pm EDT
First off, once I saw that MM was associated with Fox News. I am done with whatever she writes. Fox News does not report NEWS.

Secondly, the largest entitlement programa we have is Social Security (SSA), Medicare and Medicaid. We all pay into SSA and Medicare. Medicaid is funded by the States but the dollars are given to the states in part by the Federal government.

So tell me, which of these three programs would you like to do away with?
Re: What?
By WOMAN Jun 26th 2008 at 3:45 pm EDT
The point IS NOT who wrote that article, the point is that another Democrat has concerns.

Always, it seems, Obama supporters take the concern/issue and flip it upside down without ever addressing it head on.

WHY?

Why can't you just take this concern and address it?

WAKE UP AMERICA!
Re: What?
By Woman at Large Jun 26th 2008 at 4:02 pm EDT
Sue, I never said entitlement programs; I said "entitlement," as in the philosophy of "I'm entitled." Here, to take Ben's easy way out, is the defninition from Wikipedia, and it's the second example I refer to:

"Entitlement is a guarantee of access to benefits because of rights, or by agreement through law. It also refers, in a more casual sense to someone's belief that he/she is deserving of some particular reward or benefit.[1] It is often used as a negative term in popular parlance (i.e. a 'sense of entitlement'). "

And you're right, we ALL pay for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps - actual entitlement PROGRAMS - and we're all entitled to draw from them. Who benefits from token hiring? From Affirmative Action? A philosophy can be just as unfair as drawing from taxpayer funds.
Re: What?
By Sue Sue's Straight Talk Express Jun 26th 2008 at 4:06 pm EDT
If you are a woman no matter your color you benefit from Affirmative Action.
Re: What?
By charctine Jun 26th 2008 at 4:00 pm EDT
If we had quality, universal healthcare, would there really be a need for Medicare the way it is now?
  
"Snowball�s chance, I know, but conservatives ought to be turning up the heat and using every ounce of energy they have to, well, act like conservatives and push to de-fund the Left." what's next, articles by Ann Coultur?
By D. Tree Jun 26th 2008 at 4:01 pm EDT
I'm sorry but i started reading her article and i just can't stomach Michelle Malkin's anti-democrat, anti-liberal, anti-progress agenda.

what strange bedfellows we end up with sometimes....

for those who are not familiar with the hate-filled rants of Michelle Malkin, here's a sampling:

Michelle Malkin: "I'm skeptical of anything with 'Bill of Rights'"
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Michelle Malkin accuses Edwards bloggers of "foul-mouthed nutroots diatribes":
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Michelle Malkin and friends on the "Hildabeast" and her pathetic little song parodying Hillary's defeat:
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and let's not forget, Michell Malkin's "Hillary Accountability Project"
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the list goes on and on, seriously i don't know why anyone would give credence to this person whose only goal is to ridicule and damage liberalism.
Re: "Snowball�s chance, I know, but conservatives ought to be turning up the heat and using every ounce of energy they have to, well, act like conservatives and push to de-fund the Left." what's next, articles by Ann Coultur?
By Woman at Large Jun 26th 2008 at 4:05 pm EDT
Because sometimes liberals can be uh... TOO liberal?
Re: "Snowball�s chance, I know, but conservatives ought to be turning up the heat and using every ounce of energy they have to, well, act like conservatives and push to de-fund the Left." what's next, articles by Ann Coultur?
By Sue Sue's Straight Talk Express Jun 26th 2008 at 4:07 pm EDT
Why do you blog on PartyBuilders?
Re: "Snowball's chance, I know, but conservatives ought to be turning up the heat and using every ounce of energy they have to, well, act like conservatives and push to de-fund the Left." what's next, articles by Ann Coultur?
By D. Tree Jun 26th 2008 at 4:15 pm EDT
snide comment aside - you really expect us to understand that you'll listen to the likes of Michelle Malkin and Ann Coultur.. why just because you dislike Obama so much? You'd really give credence to someone who said more hateful things about Hillary than any democrat?

that just doesn't make sense.
  
Yeah bend over
By Someonewhocares Jun 26th 2008 at 4:06 pm EDT
We are all going to have to just bend over..... sad part is what people do not see is that all this money and all this entitlment has to come from some where.
Let me tell you my kids father is disabled has been for two years.... they think he has lung cancer... he has been trying to get on any sort of aid for his family him and his wife have a total of 5 kids.... she workd night at mc Donalds cause they can not afford day care..... yet they are told they make to much for welfar (she only makes 8 bucks a hour and he has no income) they just now got food stamps and medicad.... sad part is whenever they have to go and apply for this stuff their are people down there with suv's with huge rims, or fast sports cars.... wearing designer clothes.... they are there picking up their money and yet my ex and his wife are told they do not qualify. If it was not for me our kids nor his kids with his wife would have clothes or be able to go swimming or do anything. That is the sort of injustice these programs bring.... you get taxed out of the ass to pay for them and when you need them you dont need them bad enough to get them. Sucks and it is stupid
Re: Yeah bend over
By D. Tree Jun 26th 2008 at 4:33 pm EDT
framing and the words used to frame political debates are very important - so while i am not arguing with your comment, which makes some valid points - i would like to request that all refrain from using the term "entitlement."

this is is a republican frame that only damages our democratic causes. please try to use different terminology, because the term "entitlement" is a republican ploy to make all government programs look bad.

your comment about flashy cars and all that, well its your observation, but as a person who was raised in a single parent family on welfare, i can tell you with certainty and from personal experience there is nothing "entitled" about it.

the objective is to protect children from living in sub-poverty conditions, and that is a public program (my term to substititute for "entitlement program") that we as liberals and progressives should be supporting with all our energy.
Re: Yeah bend over
By Someonewhocares Jun 26th 2008 at 4:45 pm EDT
I also grew up on welfar and yes allot of people use it for what it is intended for non of my family did anything but waste it on drugs and drinking. Remember back when it was real food stamps not a debit card I remember my mom making me buy gum with a 10 doller on so she could have cash back. I do know many people that have it need it but I guess my point is allot have it and waste it they buy cookies and ice cream or nice clothes or have money from other sources so they in a way actually make a profit. It is just sad to see people and children go without and people who don't use it like they should or just don't need it get it you know? Thanks for your comment tho d. tree it is good to know we agree on some things....
Re: Yeah bend over
By D. Tree Jun 26th 2008 at 5:08 pm EDT
yeah, i just remember being embarrassed that my mom paid for food at the grocery store with food stamps. and then there were the other kids at school who would ask things like "how much do your parents make," and i would lie and say "my mom makes 12 thousand a year" like it was a lot of money.... hey i didn't know! we got 10 thousand a year for a family of 4 kids and one mom, and any wages my mom earned were deducted from our monthly check to keep us conveniently at poverty level.

it took a lot of hard work to get off of public assistance, but we eventually did.
  
Re: Sue:
By D. Tree Jun 26th 2008 at 4:22 pm EDT
ahem... no one is saying you don't have a right.

i believe the question was "why?"

Why post divisive, discouraging, and damaging things about liberals when this is a site whose sole purpose if building liberalism up?

there's plenty here who wonder why people are so angry they want to take it out on liberalism.

i'm proud of being a liberal and i'm not taking the crap Michelle Malkin spits out her mouth for one moment.
Re: Sue:
By Sue Sue's Straight Talk Express Jun 26th 2008 at 4:54 pm EDT
Thank you D.Tree
Re: Sue:
By WOMAN Jun 26th 2008 at 5:55 pm EDT
I thought this was a Democratic website building the Democratic Party.

I wasn't aware that it became the Liberal website building the Liberal Party.
  
enough with this republican-leaning crap!
By D. Tree Jun 26th 2008 at 4:45 pm EDT
you want to stop Food Stamps? what the hell is wrong with you?

as a person who was raised in a single mother family i can tell you i would probably be dead or in jail if it wasn't for the life-saving godsend of foodstamps.

you want to deny impoverished children food, what the hell is wrong with your mind?

i'm all for investing in education and universal healthcare, but civilized societies NEED a safety net for those who are hard hit by unfortunate circumstances.

Your Reaganesque characterization of welfare recipients is inaccurate and insulting, and your tying of welfare and "entitlement" programs to the issue of reparations is a perverse attempt the conflate two entirely different issues: the majority of welfare recipients are non-urban WHITES.
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Re: enough with this republican-leaning crap!
By Woman at Large Jun 26th 2008 at 4:52 pm EDT
Entitlement philosophy is not unique to people of color. You want to stop saying entitlement? I want to stop hearing white and black. None of us is white or black. We are all varying shades of brown, from pale cream to darkest brown.
Re: enough with this republican-leaning crap!
By D. Tree Jun 26th 2008 at 5:11 pm EDT
one day WaL, one day!

one day this will truth will be recognized.

i mentioned that most welfare recipients are white only because of jenniforhillary's post trying to tie "entitlement" and welfare to "reparations," just more of the same black white mythmaking you are arguing against.
  
Quoting Michelle Malkin on this site?
By Hollywood Jun 26th 2008 at 6:10 pm EDT
I am lost for words...