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THERE IS a simple reason American presidents will not apologize for slavery. An apology for the past means asking white Americans to take responsibility for the present. One hundred and forty years after the Emancipation Proclamation, that remains a task too heavy for presidents to perform. The truth remains too terrible for Americans to bear.

Twice in five years a president has gone to Africa. Both said how terrible slavery was. In 1998, Bill Clinton said, ''going back to the time before we were a nation, European Americans received the fruits of the slave trade. And we were wrong in that.''

This week President Bush called slavery ''one of the greatest crimes of history.'' Bush went so far as to speak directly about the ''captors.'' He said, ''Small men took on the powers and airs of tyrants and masters.
Years of unpunished brutality and bullying and rape produced a dullness and hardness of conscience.
Christian men and women became blind to the clearest commands of their faith and added hypocrisy to injustice.''

Bush admitted that while physical slavery is dead, the legacy is alive. ''My nation's journey toward justice has not been easy, and it is not over,'' Bush said.
''The racial bigotry fed by slavery did not end with slavery or with segregation.''

That sounds like progress, except for one thing. It might be novel for American presidents to go on political safari to Africa to condemn slavery. But they are not the first to say slavery was bad.

This is not merely from the usual suspects of Cliff Notes history, like Lincoln's emancipation and Jefferson's laments of slavery even as he allegedly made a baby with one. John Adams said, ''Negro slavery is an evil of colossal magnitude.'' The slave owner James Monroe still called the international slave trade ''abominable.'' John Quincy Adams in 1820 called slavery ''the great and foul stain upon the North American union.''

Even though he was a slave-owning president, James Madison called slavery an ''evil'' and a ''dreadful calamity.'' After he signed the Fugitive Slave Act in 1850, President Millard Fillmore said, ''God knows that I detest slavery, but it is an existing evil, for which we are not responsible, and we must endure it.''

James Buchanan, who preceded Lincoln as president, said
31 years before he took office that slavery was ''a great political and a great moral evil.'' He added, ''It is, however, one of those moral evils, from which it is impossible for us to escape, without the introduction of evils infinitely greater. There are portions of this Union in which, if you emancipate your slaves, they will become masters.'' As president, he realized too late that his denial did not stop the infinitely greater ''evil'' of disunion.

A century and a half later, presidents are still calling slavery evil, but we endure the legacy partially because presidents do not hold Americans responsible for fully understanding it.

It all starts with understanding. Understanding starts with an apology. An apology would be the start of a new America. Anyone can acknowledge that evil existed. An apology is personal. If a white president of the United States were to apologize for slavery, it would say that the nation officially recognizes that white wealth before the Civil War came from what this nation did to black people (and Native Americans in the process).

It would officially recognize that European-Americans, whether they come from a long line of American citizens or whether their parents came over dirt poor from Europe in the 20th century, continue to benefit from a white privilege that allowed them to move up the ladder into the suburbs. Meanwhile, slavery's replacement, segregation, blocked generations of African-Americans from building up wealth because of redlining, intellectual capital through inferior public schools, and political capital through disenfranchisement.

As Bush came amazingly close to saying - perhaps because he said it from the safety of his safari and not in front of racist Bob Jones University in the 2000 campaign or while filing a Supreme Court brief against affirmative action - racial bigotry is not over. Because of that, an apology would mark the official end to the I-didn't-own-any-slaves denial of this country. An apology would say not only yesterday's wealth, but today's wealth, was built on yesterday's evil.

An apology would acknowledge that slavery's damage still requires repair. To some people, the repair would be cash reparations to black people. Some call it fully funded public schools. Some call it affirmative action.
Some call it serious enforcement of antidiscrimination laws. Whatever form the repair takes, the president needs to deliver his message in America, not just Africa, to Americans, not just Africans.

Calling slavery evil is as old as the Founding Fathers.
It would be original to tell America that the white privileges bestowed by the tragic mistake of the Founding Fathers are over. The reason one of the greatest crimes in history has not yet resulted in a great apology is because the reward for the crime remains too great.

Derrick Z. Jackson's e-mail address is
jackson@globe.com.


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By Lincoln Park Dem Jul 23rd 2008 at 3:40 pm EDT
Hsn't even the pope apologized for the Catholic church tunring the other way during the Holocaust?

An apology is in order.

Don't think the American Indian veer got one either...we just turned them away and gave them casion's...which hurt as well.

Think if we individually try to set the tone for real equality..we do our part in a first step.
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By Obama/Biden4highserenity Jul 23rd 2008 at 3:48 pm EDT
At least we didn't demand that our slaves live on reservations, while telling them it is in their best interest.
(just a side-bar)
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By Barbara"Obama/Biden"Hussein Jul 23rd 2008 at 3:54 pm EDT
instead we raped their girls and boys in front of them. Killed,hung,linched their parents. Disgraced their strong men to the point of n return.

Taught frm the pulpits they were animals. Worked them like beast from sun up to sun down, with no pay, straving,drowning,mamming,burn ing,taring many.

While America grew rich frm this practice. Some are still telling the children of AAs to be quite about this insanity bestowed of them.
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By Obama/Biden4highserenity Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:08 pm EDT
Just even acknowledgeing this and how the great America actually became great on the backs of slaves.
Just the acknowledgement that the PAIN of how our some of our ancestors behaved is relevant TODAY.

The PAIN of both the ancestors who used and abused human beings, and the PAIN of we who are aware-----is in the DNA and still resides in thier children and ours.

And I believe that the Obama's and those like them that have overcome it is because of the same reason that two children raised in the same family can turn out completely different.

Some are born with the capacity to "brush off" cruelty
and others aren't

I, for one, do not blame the sensitive ones who find it so hard to "brush off" cruelty, present or past.
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By Letitrip Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:12 pm EDT
Are they still doing that? This sounds like bitterness and inability to move on.
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By Letitrip Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:26 pm EDT
Show casions link harmed American Indian.

Did you mean casino's?
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By Letitrip Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:32 pm EDT
First of all this author lacks qualification. He complains about a president going to Africa twice, that's better than zero. Many countries are not visited by acting presidents, it's why we have ambassadors and American embassies of Africa. If an acting president were to go to every country in the world, he'd get nothing done. Most of Africa is a dangerous place, want our president to contract disease, or die?

I could cross every t and dot every i here, but I'll cut to the chase: SORRY! SORRY! SORRY! SORRY! SORRY! SORRY! SORRY! SORRY! SORRY!...a sorry for everyone on the planet...help? doubt it.
  
Re: Exactly
By Barbara"Obama/Biden"Hussein Jul 23rd 2008 at 3:44 pm EDT
Can you anwer that?
  
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Re: NOTE: I use men here in the human sense, not gender sense.
By MsTawiah Jul 23rd 2008 at 5:16 pm EDT
Oriental??? Isn't that a carpet or a rug? We prefer to be called Asian Thank you very much!
Re: Perhaps this is not PC, but I see no reason why I should have to apologize to anyone alive today for slavery, since no slaves are alive today.
By Lincoln Park Dem Jul 23rd 2008 at 3:48 pm EDT
I disagree. I am an American and I opposed the war...but still as an American...I am responsible. IMHO..if we are really Amercians and want to claim all the great things we as a country have done...we can't ignore the terrible things we have done as Americans.

We do have an ugly history and I as an American am responsible for the good we did and for the bad.
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Re: Acknowledging that a long-ago generation of Americans did something wrong is one thing,
By Lincoln Park Dem Jul 23rd 2008 at 3:55 pm EDT
the pope had no problem making a formal apology to Jews for the Catholic Church turning the other way during ther Holocaust. He didn't personally do... he spoke for all Catholics.
Re: Acknowledging that a long-ago generation of Americans did something wrong is one thing,
By Someonewhocares Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:05 pm EDT
Side note..... Jews who were tortured during ww2 are still alive today. Also again like somebody else has said slaves or those who were slave owners are not alive. I will not apoligize for what someone did to another race 200 years ago. Where is my apology??? Sorry but affirmitive action seems to be a apology of some sort. What if the goverment says sorry but takes away affirmative action what then?
Re: Acknowledging that a long-ago generation of Americans did something wrong is one thing,
By Lincoln Park Dem Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:20 pm EDT
maybe both? I can honestly say i have no easy answer.. but I am now understanding more
Re: Perhaps this is not PC, but I see no reason why I should have to apologize to anyone alive today for slavery, since no slaves are alive today.
By Obama/Biden4highserenity Jul 23rd 2008 at 3:50 pm EDT
Well then Laura
You would fall into the catagory that I have described below?
Re: Perhaps this is not PC, but I see no reason why I should have to apologize to anyone alive today for slavery, since no slaves are alive today.
By BlueinIdaho Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:00 pm EDT
American Indians should be receiving their apology soon. The bill is currently in both houses of Congress.
Re: Perhaps this is not PC, but I see no reason why I should have to apologize to anyone alive today for slavery, since no slaves are alive today.
By Lincoln Park Dem Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:05 pm EDT
Amen!!! A long time coming!
Re: Perhaps this is not PC, but I see no reason why I should have to apologize to anyone alive today for slavery, since no slaves are alive today.
By Someonewhocares Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:13 pm EDT
Yeah but that will only be for those who reside on the rez or have a regestration card. Many did not have those and after orphans were taken from the rez and put up for adoption for some their line is nearly impossible to track.
Re: Perhaps this is not PC, but I see no reason why I should have to apologize to anyone alive today for slavery, since no slaves are alive today.
By Lincoln Park Dem Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:20 pm EDT
how do we address that? Should we?
Re: Perhaps this is not PC, but I see no reason why I should have to apologize to anyone alive today for slavery, since no slaves are alive today.
By Obama/Biden4highserenity Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:26 pm EDT
Yes,of course we should---but it is another one of those that CAN'T BE DONE---IT IS IMPOSSIBLE

I WILL CONTINUE TO SAY---THAT JUST ACKNOWLEDGING THIS WOULD HELP TO START THE HEALING.
Laura
By D. Tree Jul 23rd 2008 at 5:36 pm EDT
I think that is a fundamental misunderstanding about the calls for an apology: no one is asking YOU to apologize. They are asking the GOVERNMENT to apologize on behalf of the Country. It is a symbolic gesture.

In any case, I never had a problem apologizing for anything. I think we'd be better off as a society if more people had less problem with apologies. They cost nothing, and they only do good!

Peace.
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By Obama/Biden4highserenity Jul 23rd 2008 at 3:46 pm EDT
I understand and it is easy for some to declare "I did not participate in slavery and I should not be made to be held accountable now"

What is not addressed, imo, is that the vast majority of us enjoy at least some of the fruits/benefits that our anscestors who used slavery to amass great fortunes (and not only in the south, and not only certain religious groups, as if often mis-represented), and then passed those fortunes down to the generations that were able to keep them, or make them grow without having to use slaves, as that had been abolished.

The fortunes that were built on the backs of slaves was much more widespread than most of our history books acknowledge, and actually fortunes are being built today on slavery-------sex trading, and even actually the use and abuse of the hispanics, especially the ones who have come here illegally.
But, the hispanics have gotten out of hand now, taking middle class jobs----I believe that was not expected and the neo-cons are now trying to reverse the plan.
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Re: I marched for civil rights, but I have no sumpathy for those who still have a sense of entitlement.
By BlueinIdaho Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:02 pm EDT
Yes they have. Japanese Americans received an apology and a check. American Indians are close to receiving an apology from Congress.
Re: I marched for civil rights, but I have no sumpathy for those who still have a sense of entitlement.
By BobVADemHawk Jul 23rd 2008 at 5:08 pm EDT
Native Americans have something a lot more valuable than a apology from Congress. They have casinos.
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Re: I marched for civil rights, but I have no sumpathy for those who still have a sense of entitlement.
By Lincoln Park Dem Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:10 pm EDT
Yep... Hitler and the Holocaust are an ugly stain on Germany. Just like the massacre of native americans, slavery and now Iraq are a stain on America.
Re: Should we demand that blacks apologize to white people, too, because there were blacks who owned white slaves?
By Barbara"Obama/Biden"Hussein Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:04 pm EDT
White people in America today benefit from slavery in the past, whether their ancestors hd them or not. Just being White.

If they didnt own slave yet they traded to slave owners to get the items that slave made without pay, then you cntributed to the evil.

Yu are not released frm fault. No matter how loudly you scream for others to "get over it". Yu are not over it.
Re: Should we demand that blacks apologize to white people, too, because there were blacks who owned white slaves?
By Barbara"Obama/Biden"Hussein Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:05 pm EDT
Sorry for all the typos, I just did my nails.lolol
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Re: Should we demand that blacks apologize to white people, too, because there were blacks who owned white slaves?
By Retired Army Jul 23rd 2008 at 7:13 pm EDT
You are so full of shi't your breath stinks. I do not apologize, nor do I need to! That was over 180 years ago and you are still there and haven't moved forward 1 inch!

I'll not entertain your innuendos of reverse racism to suit your needs but it is obvious you believe we all owe you something, well keep on waiting while you drive the wedge of racism into the ground.
Re: highserenity, "some" is a key word here, not all
By Obama/Biden4highserenity Jul 23rd 2008 at 3:56 pm EDT
I also do not qualify, as I have traced back my lineage, but I do believe that family has benefited, if nothing else, by being able to get good paying jobs with the corporations who got their starts building wealth on the back of slaves.

And that does not even address how the descendants of the slaves have been held back via education and poverty---thereby giving all who compete for jobs/careers an advantage from the get go, because such a large block of American CANNOT compete.

This would include YOUR children.
  
Re: Exactly
By Lincoln Park Dem Jul 23rd 2008 at 3:48 pm EDT
I disagree. I am an American and I opposed the war...but still as an American...I am responsible. IMHO..if we are really Amercians and want to claim all the great things we as a country have done...we can't ignore the terrible things we have done as Americans.

We do have an ugly history and I as an American am responsible for the good we did and for the bad.
Re: Exactly
By LITTLE DINE' FOR RECALL ON COLUMBUS DAY Jul 23rd 2008 at 8:17 pm EDT
Then would you agree to make reparation to Native Americans for what your spanish ancestors did to mine. The treatment our people recieved from the spaniard conquistador and the systematic genocide they followed after the arrival of Columbus, would make you liable. Unless of coarse you would not claim the white spanish blood in your veins, and only claim the native blood. Which reminds me. I see many times many people of spanish mixed blood that claim spanish all year long, except on Columbus day, because that to many hispanic Nations is the day to celebrate and honor the Native Race. It bis all hypocrysy.
Re: Exactly
By Obama/Biden4highserenity Jul 23rd 2008 at 3:48 pm EDT
Well then Patriot
You would fall into the catagory I address in post below.
  
143 years
By BobVADemHawk Jul 23rd 2008 at 3:49 pm EDT
It has been 143 years since there was a slave in the United States of America. Find me someone over that age and I'll be more than happy to apologize to them for what my ancestors did.

This is the 21st Century. Senator Barack Hussein Obama is our presumptive nominee. Sen. Obama has proven that anyone can aspire to what they want to be if they have the talent and ambition to do such.

There will be racists amongst us for a few more decades, maybe even a century. But we're witnessing the dying off of those antiquated beliefs. I hope I'm still around to see it.
Re: 143 years
By Barbara"Obama/Biden"Hussein Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:16 pm EDT
lol, Bob 28 yrs ago you could have apologized to Papa Jack. He lived to be 109, he lived as a slave in Texas all his life. never got paid for working free from his parents slave owners kids. They got to stay on the land they slave parents developed without pay.

I'm sure if that was his parents land tht they developed, I would be rich now. Because all of the white decendants are rich.
Re: 143 years
By BobVADemHawk Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:52 pm EDT
On that point, my fellow Democrat, you are absolutely correct. African-Americans got the crappy end of the stick for four centuries here and in some places they still do (i.e AL, MS, GA, SC, LA, etc...).

Then I look to Sen. Obama (D-IL) and I thank God to see how far we've come. There's still a way to go but, at least we're through the civil rights stages. Once the last generation who experienced segregation firsthand are gone, the U.S. will be a much better place.
Re: 143 years
By Letitrip Jul 23rd 2008 at 5:23 pm EDT
You're point for posting this is now evident.

My hunch is, you're struggling, not rich and blame whites because you've attached yourself to the past. Instead of being here, go get a job or start a group and raise hell there.
Re: 143 years
By Barbara"Obama/Biden"Hussein Jul 23rd 2008 at 5:57 pm EDT
My husband and I have worked all our lives, made a good living too. Raised our children and are almost ready to retire.



So You are wrong again.

Think of something else.
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Re: Umm, the same people demanding the apology and momey
By D. Tree Jul 23rd 2008 at 5:07 pm EDT
"enjoying the benefits?"

friend, you have a morbid sense of "enjoyment"
  
Re: Exactly
By Lincoln Park Dem Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:03 pm EDT
this is tough for me to answer. Because I claim all the great things that my ancestors did as Americans..I claim the bad as well, because it is part of being an American and our ugly history.

My apology is to keep the dailoge open and wrok for real equality for all. If a native american or AA wants an apology.. I would apologize. I am sorry my ancestors did a lot of things.... Hiroshima, Japenese camps, Viet Nam,. Iraq... I am sorry for for all of it.
  
Ignorance
By Sandi Jul 23rd 2008 at 3:58 pm EDT
It is time that you start acting responsibly. I say that because I hate RACISIM. You seem to think that your race was the only race that have been slaves, killed or discriminated against. You forget the Chinese, the Hispanics. Do you even know that the Hispanics in the Southwest had to go to different schools than whites, that Indian children where not allowed to ride the school bus, the chinese built the railroads and where beaten and killed.

Until you see yourself not as a black person, but as an American you are going to have problems. Until you see yourself not as a victim, but that you do have opportunity your hate will continue. It is not about the apology, because we all deserve one. It is about the opportunity and taking it.

So as you you normally do, call anyone a racist. I want you to know, I am from another race. The Reverand Wright is a racist against whites and his church should be disbanned. Until we get these hate mongers out, we do not have any hope for all of us to be free from racism.
Re: Ignorance
By Lincoln Park Dem Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:08 pm EDT
Link

rev wright
Re: Ignorance
By Sandi Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:18 pm EDT
Truth, the theology of Cone is a racist theology. Your spin that you visited it is crazy. If you check out the church books, and the demanding of reparations, this is a racist church. White represents evil. If I belonged to a chuch where black represents evil, it would be a hate church. It does not matter what church you belong to hate is hate what ever color it is.

Now spinning what the Cone theology is about is pure evil.
Re: Ignorance
By Lincoln Park Dem Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:35 pm EDT
Catholic theology preecehss all pople that are homosexual and woman that have abortions will be "DAMNED' forever. Is that hate to you? And they preech it witht the same fire as Rev Wright. Where is your outcry?
Re: Ignorance
By BobVADemHawk Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:54 pm EDT
No, that is their religion. Obviously, you disagree with Catholic theology therefore I would strongly recommend that you don't become a Catholic. The First Amendment must apply to everyone or it means nothing.
Re: Ignorance
By Eleanor Roosevelt Hillary Heartbump Remains Jul 23rd 2008 at 5:30 pm EDT
Bullshit.
Re: Ignorance
By BobVADemHawk Jul 23rd 2008 at 5:48 pm EDT
The First Amendment is bullsh*t? Really? Wow, and you call yourself a Democrat?
Re: Ignorance
By D. Tree Jul 23rd 2008 at 5:12 pm EDT
Sandi that is a pretty extremist statement you keep making about Trinity.

Don't you think if what you claim is true about the church, the predominantly white United Church of Christ would not have defended Wright and would have expelled the church?

The fact of the matter is that Trinity is actually quite a progressive church. you are picking and choosing things about the theology in order to make an extremist claim about the 8,000 men, women, and children who go to that church for no other reason than to praise god and seek unity.
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Re: Honestly? As long as Trinity is bringing in the bucks, the Church of God will gladly accept their contributions.
By D. Tree Jul 24th 2008 at 11:54 am EDT
true; however, that is a much broader discussion that encompasses all of organized religion, from the Catholic Church, to the Oil-fat Sheiks of Saudi Arabia!

:-)
Re: Ignorance
By Lincoln Park Dem Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:13 pm EDT
if you want to disband Rev. Weights church then you have a very long list. Catholics for preaching hate against homoesexuals and woman who get abortions. And jews? Ask the palestines how hate affects them. it is always a 2 way street. Always
Re: Ignorance
By Sandi Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:20 pm EDT
I would disband any church that preaches hate to any race. Simple and straight to the point! People like you allow hate upon races. I want all races to be free from hate. You want your chosen few.
Re: Ignorance
By Lincoln Park Dem Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:25 pm EDT
what about churches that preech hate to homosexuals and woman that have abortions, "they will be forever DAMNED'? Are they okay on your list?
Re: Ignorance
By Sandi Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:39 pm EDT
I think they are wrong! I think the catholic church that turned it's back on Jews wrong! I think that no religion should teach hate! Your a Catholic, how dare you Where is my apology!
Re: Ignorance
By Lincoln Park Dem Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:43 pm EDT
where is the apology for the Palestinians? That is a stain on jews.
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Re: Ignorance
By Sandi Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:40 pm EDT
I think they are wrong! I think the catholic church that turned it's back on Jews wrong! I think that no religion should teach hate! Your a Catholic, how dare you Where is my apology!
Re: Ignorance
By LITTLE DINE' FOR RECALL ON COLUMBUS DAY Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:33 pm EDT
Nice thought Sandi, but that would be a violation of constitutional rights. God will provide for the kind hearted and good willed.
Re: Ignorance
By D. Tree Jul 23rd 2008 at 5:34 pm EDT
  
Re: Exactly
By Lincoln Park Dem Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:04 pm EDT
from what I know..we went to Africa and rounded them up and just took them. You may be correct but that was not the norm.
Re: Exactly
By Someonewhocares Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:05 pm EDT
Nope they were sold
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Re: Exactly
By Retired Army Jul 23rd 2008 at 7:06 pm EDT
No, their own peole sold some of them! Not all were "just taken". That's a myth that is wide spread!
  
Here we go again, where are the appologies to all the minorities that
By LITTLE DINE' FOR RECALL ON COLUMBUS DAY Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:01 pm EDT
suffered the same or worse. That is what I believe to be the question that should be asked.
But then since you are AA you have a tendency to emphasize only on what your thoughts are centered on and that is afro centered ideology based on what you believe should be addressed pertaining to your independent view on what type of reparation should be made. I point out again. The decendents of those that did the wrongs are not responsible for the sins of their father's. That would be ludicrous.
Peace to you Barabara. I hope you undestand loud and clear, bring light to the suffering of all involved or not at all. It is not only about the AA community.
If I am wrong correct me. You come across as racist pro your own and excluding and recognizing collective truths as to all who have sufferede the same and in many way much more than the AA community. Don't do this, you will cause not neede4d disruption, unless that is in reality your hidden agenda, which in all truth I doubt. However that is how you come across. IMO
Little Dine'
  
Re: highserenity, "some" is a key word here, not all
By Lincoln Park Dem Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:07 pm EDT
really? Try catching a cab on any street corner if you are balck and see how many drive by.
Re: highserenity, "some" is a key word here, not all
By Letitrip Jul 23rd 2008 at 5:20 pm EDT
I'm white and couldn't get a cab in NYC, they were all Arabs. LOL. Wah wah wah.
Re: highserenity, "some" is a key word here, not all
By Barbara"Obama/Biden"Hussein Jul 23rd 2008 at 5:34 pm EDT
lol
Re: highserenity, "some" is a key word here, not all
By Barbara"Obama/Biden"Hussein Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:10 pm EDT
ffirmtive ction with piss poor education for most AAs is a big fat joke.

You think that makes up for the 400yer head start of Whites. Not even close.

I do believe that a real apology is a Real start to improving race relationships. Its the beginning of healing for this country. Many have already moved in this direction. Individually. I Hopeful because of those Many Many Americans.
Re: highserenity, "some" is a key word here, not all
By Someonewhocares Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:17 pm EDT
Nope not piss poor. I had full ride to CU, Trinidad, Stanford, and CSU..... I went here locally and dropped after a semester but piss poor is not true at all.
That paid way to college was because of my blood line as well as being a award of the state. I do not think those schools are piss poor at all.
Re: highserenity, "some" is a key word here, not all
By LITTLE DINE' FOR RECALL ON COLUMBUS DAY Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:25 pm EDT
Barbara maam you are obviously sick with hate and want to cause trouble here. Goodbye maam, never again will I pay attention to your divisive hate spewing comments in relation to afrocentrism, You sound just like Reverend Wrong. Have you read yourself lately. I have made mistakes that were serious eniugh in the past and I made my appology public to all. If accepted Fine, if not it s their choice, I have accepted my responsibilty as an immature youh.
But you maam are not a youth. You do whart youy want purposefully. You are hurting Obama with your rant. Do you not know?
Or are you doing it on purpose. It is no hide off my back, I just call the shot where I see it.
Little Dine' God Bless AQmerica, and put on hold all whom would damn America. T'a'a' iiyisi Ahe'hee
Re: highserenity, "some" is a key word here, not all
By Barbara"Obama/Biden"Hussein Jul 23rd 2008 at 5:51 pm EDT
You need a doctor. I never listen to the crap you spit out.
Re: highserenity, "some" is a key word here, not all
By LITTLE DINE' FOR RECALL ON COLUMBUS DAY Jul 23rd 2008 at 7:17 pm EDT
I am a youth and I can not claim exemtion to my mistakes or poor judgement.
What is yours if indeed you really are a black woman and not a white troll trying to cause divisive ness and problems for the Obama supporters. Unless you are honest enough to use a real photo of yourself and real name proving who you are. I do not hide behind a computer. My life is an open and public book because of my activism with my mom and grandpa fighting for respect of marine families that live in RAT INFESTED HOUSING ON THE MILITARY BASSES.

I am begining to suspect you are not even a proud AfroAmerican, You come across like what I stated. A white trouble making troll.
Is that your case, Barabara Hussein Johnson, plus HRC Fist bump.
I would really like to know that. Maybe all here that have nothing to hide should show their true face on the profiles, like the majority of us.
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By LITTLE DINE' FOR RECALL ON COLUMBUS DAY Jul 23rd 2008 at 7:25 pm EDT
I am a youth and I can not claim exemption to my mistakes or poor judgement.
What is yours if indeed you really are a black woman and not a white troll trying to cause divisive ness and problems for the Obama supporters. Unless you are honest enough to use a real photo of yourself and real name proving who you are. I do not hide behind a computer. My life is an open and public book because of my activism with my mom and grandpa fighting for respect of marine families that live in RAT INFESTED HOUSING ON THE MILITARY BASSES.

I am begining to suspect you are not even a proud AfroAmerican, You come across like what I stated. A white trouble making troll.
Is that your case, Barabara Hussein Johnson, plus HRC Fist bump.
I would really like to know that. Maybe all here that have nothing to hide should show their true face on the profiles, like the majority of us.
Personal attacks on others will not be tolerated. Deleted by admin
Re: highserenity, "some" is a key word here, not all
By LITTLE DINE' FOR RECALL ON COLUMBUS DAY Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:16 pm EDT
Thank you Patriot. She has easily and conveniently forgotten. She knows all to well that no other minority ever benefited from Affirmative action. It became a benefit for the AA community only because other minorities did not fully believe it was something that would benefit them, being they have other things that are much more important to accomplish than to be accused of taking a handout for the benefit of the few that really needed it.


We have always supported affirmative action to a degree where a case can be proven. Not all people that took the benefit really needed that point brought up to make things fair. There are many great minds from among the AA community that would not have had justice made without the full support of the program and many others whom did not need the program took a precious place from someone that did. Not all people that benefited from the program really needed to take a position they were not qualified to take from another AA community member that deserved it.
Little Dine'
Re: highserenity, "some" is a key word here, not all
By LITTLE DINE' FOR RECALL ON COLUMBUS DAY Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:17 pm EDT
Thank you Patriot. She has easily and conveniently forgotten. She knows all to well that no other minority ever benefited from Affirmative action. It became a benefit for the AA community only because other minorities did not fully believe it was something that would benefit them, being they have other things that are much more important to accomplish than to be accused of taking a handout for the benefit of the few that really needed it.


We have always supported affirmative action to a degree where a case can be proven. Not all people that took the benefit really needed that point brought up to make things fair. There are many great minds from among the AA community that would not have had justice made without the full support of the program and many others whom did not need the program took a precious place from someone that did. Not all people that benefited from the program really needed to take a position they were not qualified to take from another AA community member that deserved it.
Little Dine'
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By D. Tree Jul 23rd 2008 at 5:01 pm EDT
that is not entirely correct Little Dine - i think you are making an assumption.

I am native american and I benefited from Affirmative Action to get into college.

We should be careful never to dismiss the wrongs done to one group simply because wrongs are perpetrated toward others.

The words of Martin Luther King Jr. are especially appropriate here:

"It is impossible to create a formula for the future which does not take into account that our society has been doing something special against the [African American] for hundreds of years. How then can he be absorbed into the mainstream of American life if we do not do something special for him now, in order to balance the equation and equip him to compete on a just and equal basis?"

"For it is obvious that if a man is entered at the starting line in a race three hundred years after another man, the first would have to perform some impossible feat in order to catch up with his fellow runner."
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By Letitrip Jul 23rd 2008 at 5:15 pm EDT
I cuddah swore you've said in the past that you were black...hum...
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By D. Tree Jul 23rd 2008 at 5:47 pm EDT
Was that comment to me?

you must be thinking of someone else, Letitrip, i have never said that.
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By LITTLE DINE' FOR RECALL ON COLUMBUS DAY Jul 23rd 2008 at 7:09 pm EDT
Same here and I stand by it. I have blogs on copy to file where he is very clear on the issue.
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By LITTLE DINE' FOR RECALL ON COLUMBUS DAY Jul 23rd 2008 at 7:10 pm EDT
Same here and I stand by it. I have blogs on copy to file where he is very clear on the issue.
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By Retired Army Jul 23rd 2008 at 7:16 pm EDT
There is no such thng as an African American. The oath of allegience proves it (compliments of the Dep't of State:

The oath of allegiance is:

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

In some cases, USCIS allows the oath to be taken without the clauses:

". . .that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by law. . ."
  
Here we go again, where are the appologies to all the minorities that
By LITTLE DINE' FOR RECALL ON COLUMBUS DAY Jul 23rd 2008 at 4:03 pm EDT