Post from Carl Carlson's Blog:
President Bush quoted "String Bashra up by the balls"
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Here's a sample of a Bush quote that was not picked up by the US media. "Not long ago, recieving Lebonese visitors in the White House - and this is a 100% accurate quotation from the horse's mouth, so to speak - Bush announced he was going to "string Bashra up by the balls." The problem of course is that Mr. Bush is in no position to do that." Roberst Fisk writing for the Independent, May 30th 2007.

Not exactly the words of statesman and certainly not in alignment of stated Middle Eastern policy. Makes me wonder what the true plans for Iran are.


Reader Comments
  
Good info
By Democrat in Baton Rouge, LA Jun 13th 2007 at 11:11 am EDT
I love this kind of information and it helps to know, but I'd like to see posts contain a citation to a source of information. For example, on this one -- who reported this to the Democratic Party? Is it on video or voice recording? Name of others present when the event occurred if no "hard" documentation is available. I think we really need to make sure we can quote sources for this kind of information so we can fully support our discussions with family members and friends on the other side of the aisle.
Re: Good info
By Democrat in Richmond, VA Jun 13th 2007 at 11:17 am EDT
I absolutely agree with the need to have citations of who said it, when, and to whom. I don't want this blogging to be just another way to put out negative news with nothing to back it up. Let's take the high road and WORK ON THE ISSUES!
Re: Good info
By Margaret Jun 13th 2007 at 1:12 pm EDT
I agree, we must be careful and only make statements that are backed by absolute proof. Otherwise, we will be just as bad as they are..u know just mud slinging and hate monging gossip with no basis in fact.
  
cojones
By Democrat in Lithonia, GA Jun 13th 2007 at 11:21 am EDT
Bush cannot be strung up by the balls as perhaps he ought to be since by some twist of fate he has none.
  
cojones
By Democrat in Lithonia, GA Jun 13th 2007 at 11:21 am EDT
Bush cannot be strung up by the balls as perhaps he ought to be since by some twist of fate he has none.
Re: cojones
By Democrat in Hinsdale, NH Jun 13th 2007 at 11:45 am EDT
As much as I dislike President Bush and his May 9th directive giving himself dictatorial powers, I think this kind of comment [cojones] distracts people from understanding the real issues and provide Republican extremists with reason to hate Democrats.
  
good post...
By D. Tree Jun 13th 2007 at 11:57 am EDT
5 *'s from me, thanks!

Still can't believe we have such an incompetent buffoon in the Whitehouse.
Re: good post...
By annie b (mcliberal) Jun 13th 2007 at 12:12 pm EDT
i disagree. i think mcdummy is a very competent buffoon. he is an incompetent president. :)
  
Like Baton Rouge said ...
By JBL55 Jun 13th 2007 at 12:02 pm EDT
... it's important to cite the thing being discussed.

It's also important to spell correctly. I don't know if "recieving" and "Lebanese" were misspelled by the quoter or the quotee, but I suspect the former because the quotee looks misspelled, too.

If we're going to be careful about avoiding the ad hominems -- and I think we should -- we should also be aware of our spelling, punctuation, and grammar. Too often a badly written post obscures the truth of its essential message and is used to attack the messenger.
Exhibit A
By JBL55 Jun 13th 2007 at 12:05 pm EDT
And of course "recieving" should have read "receiving" -- I should have corrected both of the words I used as my examples. Another lesson in the importance of checking one's work!
  
Professional
By JohnB Jun 13th 2007 at 12:51 pm EDT
Who actually cares about insignificant quotes, let's please move on. Bush is a lame duck, still I see not much happening under Nancy Pelosi, a lot of noise and time wasted. We need someone who can make it happen for the democrats, not talk about it. WE NEED A GOVERNMENT FOR THE PEOPLE, not a government for the government.
  
Ok - Here's the whole article and link to source
By Carl Jun 13th 2007 at 2:48 pm EDT
Link

Robert Fisk: The scar of Hariri's murder will never heal in Lebanon

The Independent

Published: 01 June 2007

They were handing out white roses where the bomb went off. On 14 February 2005, ex-prime minister Rafik Hariri was killed there and the 20ft bomb crater has remained a scar on the surface of Beirut history ever since.

But yesterday, as the Lebanese learned that there would indeed be a United Nations tribunal to condemn his killers, the crater - from which vital evidence was removed by Syria's friends in the security services - was filled in and the road resurfaced and the flowers handed to motorists by young men in T-shirts bearing Hariri's portrait.

He was smiling in the picture. But would he have had much to celebrate yesterday? True, the UN Security Council invoked Chapter VII of the UN Charter to create a special international court to try the suspects in Hariri's murder but the very fact that the Lebanese government could not formally request the court spoke volumes about its own impotence.

With its Shia ministers missing, the Hizbollah opposition to the government is dismissing the whole affair as a charade and accusing the UN of interfering in the sovereign affairs of the Lebanese state.

Syria, whose security apparatus remains the principal suspect, roars quietly over the border. Will there be a price to be paid for this tribunal? Probably.

Clearly, George Bush will be pleased because he has long ago lined up President Bashar al-Assad of Syria in his sights. Not long ago, receiving Lebanese visitors in the White House - and this a 100 per cent accurate quotation from the horse's mouth, so to speak - Bush announced that he was "going to hang Bashar by the balls". The problem, of course, is that Mr Bush is in no position to do that. Indeed, it is the army of Iraqi insurgents who appear to have Washington by the balls and it is Mr Bush who may need President Assad's help to relieve this terrible pressure. For at the end of the day, Syria and Iran are the two countries which the US needs so it can extract itself from Iraq.

So Lebanon can be betrayed again. Certainly, the government of the Lebanese Prime Minister, Fouad Siniora, is of less importance than the lives of US troops in Iraq. And the UN line-up on Wednesday night was equally interesting. Qatar and South Africa abstained from the UN vote, mainly because they have substantial business interests in Syria. The Russians and the Chinese are all too well aware how fragile the political and military situation is in Lebanon; the Chinese have a unit in the UN force in the south of the country, a peacekeeping army that is increasingly dependent on the Hizbollah militia for protection. With the battles continuing around the Nahr al-Bared Palestinian camp in the north, Lebanon is moving ever more dangerously towards the kind of precipice of which its politicians always warn. In reality, the Lebanese nation is now in a parlous state, so delicate that the Hariri tribunal - of such great import in the aftermath of the 2005 murder - now seems almost irrelevant.

Hariri's son, Saad, described the tribunal's creation as "a great victory for all of Lebanon" and visited his father's tomb in the centre of Beirut after the news from New York. Yet we still do not know where the tribunal will sit, how many judges it will have or what powers it will have invested upon it. Firecrackers echoed through Beirut as Hariri's supporters celebrated but someone threw a hand grenade near St Michael's church in Galerie Semaan on Wednesday night. And in the early summer heat of Beirut, roses always wilt.
  
Ok - Here's the whole article and link to source
By Carl Jun 13th 2007 at 2:51 pm EDT
Link

Robert Fisk: The scar of Hariri's murder will never heal in Lebanon

The Independent

Published: 01 June 2007

They were handing out white roses where the bomb went off. On 14 February 2005, ex-prime minister Rafik Hariri was killed there and the 20ft bomb crater has remained a scar on the surface of Beirut history ever since.

But yesterday, as the Lebanese learned that there would indeed be a United Nations tribunal to condemn his killers, the crater - from which vital evidence was removed by Syria's friends in the security services - was filled in and the road resurfaced and the flowers handed to motorists by young men in T-shirts bearing Hariri's portrait.

He was smiling in the picture. But would he have had much to celebrate yesterday? True, the UN Security Council invoked Chapter VII of the UN Charter to create a special international court to try the suspects in Hariri's murder but the very fact that the Lebanese government could not formally request the court spoke volumes about its own impotence.

With its Shia ministers missing, the Hizbollah opposition to the government is dismissing the whole affair as a charade and accusing the UN of interfering in the sovereign affairs of the Lebanese state.

Syria, whose security apparatus remains the principal suspect, roars quietly over the border. Will there be a price to be paid for this tribunal? Probably.

Clearly, George Bush will be pleased because he has long ago lined up President Bashar al-Assad of Syria in his sights. Not long ago, receiving Lebanese visitors in the White House - and this a 100 per cent accurate quotation from the horse's mouth, so to speak - Bush announced that he was "going to hang Bashar by the balls". The problem, of course, is that Mr Bush is in no position to do that. Indeed, it is the army of Iraqi insurgents who appear to have Washington by the balls and it is Mr Bush who may need President Assad's help to relieve this terrible pressure. For at the end of the day, Syria and Iran are the two countries which the US needs so it can extract itself from Iraq.

So Lebanon can be betrayed again. Certainly, the government of the Lebanese Prime Minister, Fouad Siniora, is of less importance than the lives of US troops in Iraq. And the UN line-up on Wednesday night was equally interesting. Qatar and South Africa abstained from the UN vote, mainly because they have substantial business interests in Syria. The Russians and the Chinese are all too well aware how fragile the political and military situation is in Lebanon; the Chinese have a unit in the UN force in the south of the country, a peacekeeping army that is increasingly dependent on the Hizbollah militia for protection. With the battles continuing around the Nahr al-Bared Palestinian camp in the north, Lebanon is moving ever more dangerously towards the kind of precipice of which its politicians always warn. In reality, the Lebanese nation is now in a parlous state, so delicate that the Hariri tribunal - of such great import in the aftermath of the 2005 murder - now seems almost irrelevant.

Hariri's son, Saad, described the tribunal's creation as "a great victory for all of Lebanon" and visited his father's tomb in the centre of Beirut after the news from New York. Yet we still do not know where the tribunal will sit, how many judges it will have or what powers it will have invested upon it. Firecrackers echoed through Beirut as Hariri's supporters celebrated but someone threw a hand grenade near St Michael's church in Galerie Semaan on Wednesday night. And in the early summer heat of Beirut, roses always wilt.
  
Ok - Here's the whole article and link to source
By Carl Jun 13th 2007 at 2:52 pm EDT
Link

Robert Fisk: The scar of Hariri's murder will never heal in Lebanon

The Independent

Published: 01 June 2007

They were handing out white roses where the bomb went off. On 14 February 2005, ex-prime minister Rafik Hariri was killed there and the 20ft bomb crater has remained a scar on the surface of Beirut history ever since.

But yesterday, as the Lebanese learned that there would indeed be a United Nations tribunal to condemn his killers, the crater - from which vital evidence was removed by Syria's friends in the security services - was filled in and the road resurfaced and the flowers handed to motorists by young men in T-shirts bearing Hariri's portrait.

He was smiling in the picture. But would he have had much to celebrate yesterday? True, the UN Security Council invoked Chapter VII of the UN Charter to create a special international court to try the suspects in Hariri's murder but the very fact that the Lebanese government could not formally request the court spoke volumes about its own impotence.

With its Shia ministers missing, the Hizbollah opposition to the government is dismissing the whole affair as a charade and accusing the UN of interfering in the sovereign affairs of the Lebanese state.

Syria, whose security apparatus remains the principal suspect, roars quietly over the border. Will there be a price to be paid for this tribunal? Probably.

Clearly, George Bush will be pleased because he has long ago lined up President Bashar al-Assad of Syria in his sights. Not long ago, receiving Lebanese visitors in the White House - and this a 100 per cent accurate quotation from the horse's mouth, so to speak - Bush announced that he was "going to hang Bashar by the balls". The problem, of course, is that Mr Bush is in no position to do that. Indeed, it is the army of Iraqi insurgents who appear to have Washington by the balls and it is Mr Bush who may need President Assad's help to relieve this terrible pressure. For at the end of the day, Syria and Iran are the two countries which the US needs so it can extract itself from Iraq.

So Lebanon can be betrayed again. Certainly, the government of the Lebanese Prime Minister, Fouad Siniora, is of less importance than the lives of US troops in Iraq. And the UN line-up on Wednesday night was equally interesting. Qatar and South Africa abstained from the UN vote, mainly because they have substantial business interests in Syria. The Russians and the Chinese are all too well aware how fragile the political and military situation is in Lebanon; the Chinese have a unit in the UN force in the south of the country, a peacekeeping army that is increasingly dependent on the Hizbollah militia for protection. With the battles continuing around the Nahr al-Bared Palestinian camp in the north, Lebanon is moving ever more dangerously towards the kind of precipice of which its politicians always warn. In reality, the Lebanese nation is now in a parlous state, so delicate that the Hariri tribunal - of such great import in the aftermath of the 2005 murder - now seems almost irrelevant.

Hariri's son, Saad, described the tribunal's creation as "a great victory for all of Lebanon" and visited his father's tomb in the centre of Beirut after the news from New York. Yet we still do not know where the tribunal will sit, how many judges it will have or what powers it will have invested upon it. Firecrackers echoed through Beirut as Hariri's supporters celebrated but someone threw a hand grenade near St Michael's church in Galerie Semaan on Wednesday night. And in the early summer heat of Beirut, roses always wilt.
  
Disappointment
By Democrat in Lexington, KY Jun 14th 2007 at 11:35 am EDT
I had hoped the level of discourse here would be much higher. Innuendo and libel will not serve well to get us back to where this nation needs to be. If this effort continues in this direction, then count me out.