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Remember annie b.? You remember her, right? Well, she's on a bit of a blogging hiatus, however she emailed this to me this morning ...

Now, we can all STOP our whinning and utilize this tool of empowerment to doour very, very best to move our Congress.

Please use this. Please pass it aloong as well, alright?

Thank you to all!

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Thanks for the link
By Matt May 23rd 2007 at 1:20 pm EDT
I signed it, thanks Carlo.
Re: Thanks for the link
By Carlo! May 23rd 2007 at 1:30 pm EDT
Cool, Matt.
No prob.
  
Care to define "gouging"?
By Paul Thompson May 23rd 2007 at 1:27 pm EDT
And please don't say that record profits are the same as gouging. What constitutes gouging? Is there some magical formula we can use to determine if we're being gouged?

Unless we can define what it is, how can there be a law to address it?

This looks like just another go-nowhere online petition designed to convince the signers they've actually taken action.

It would be better for people to buy less. Reducing the demand will do more for the price than signing another petition.
Re: Care to define "gouging"?
By Carlo! May 23rd 2007 at 1:38 pm EDT
Sure Paul. We should ALL alter our lifestyles. We SHOULD walk more. We SHOULD buy hybrids. We SHOULD purchase less petro.

And, we SHOULD not allow them to once again place us in a jaded state of passivity and PISSTIVITY (a Carlo-word; a word that I LOVE!), either.

Americans AREN'T going to buy less. Not right now, anyway.

Sorry, but sadly, reality hasn't sunk in for most. Not yet. But, if things keep going the way that they are ... If they keep GOUGING and jacking the prices up time after time, at some point ...
I guess our very jaded, spoiled American fannies will wake up.

It's only my hope.
Re: Care to define "gouging"?
By Paul Thompson May 23rd 2007 at 1:48 pm EDT
You still haven't told me how we define and measure gouging.
Re: Care to define "gouging"?
By Carlo! May 23rd 2007 at 2:01 pm EDT
I'm sorry. I didn't realize that you were depending on me to speak and become the voice of the nation.

Since I am not the voice of the nation you could do this... Ask EVERYONE that you know that will tell you that they feel "gouged".

And, then take a "load off" and have a seat, as they say.
I'm pretty sure that they'll have PLENTY to tell you.
Trust me, my ears are still ringing, and burning (fromallof the pontification) as well!
Re: Care to define "gouging"?
By Paul Thompson May 23rd 2007 at 2:15 pm EDT
You want me to sign a petition. You, therefore, have become my contact point for the petition. I'm asking you my question about the petition you think I should sign.

Legislation based on feelings is rarely successfully defended in court. There must be some definitive way to measure gouging (I didn't see that in the petition language) for it to be even the tiniest bit useful.

A subjective term like "gouging" is meaningless. Oil companies probably have a different gouging threshold than does a Prius driver. Who's definition do we use?

This petition is nonsense.
Re: Care to define "gouging"?
By Carlo! May 23rd 2007 at 2:22 pm EDT
I don't want YOU to do ANYTHING, but try to find your place of comfort in this universe, be happy, and live your life.

Hell Paul, don't sign the petition if YOU don't choose to do so.
But, maybe before you reach a decision about this petition (or any others out there like it); just as you question me, question someone from an oil company regarding your question of gouging, also.
I'm sure that "they" will have a real good, rock solid answer for all of us out here.
Re: Care to define "gouging"?
By Carlo! May 23rd 2007 at 2:28 pm EDT
Oh, and if you also choose to, read my recent blog entitled, "As an American ... SIGN ANY PETITION That You Want!".

Do want you want to do.
Don't do want you don't want to do.

Common sense told me a long time ago that the fatcats pockets are being lined every time the prices at the pumps go up.
Now, if YOU don't choose to believe that, then your truth lies elsewhere.

Don't sign it.
Hurts me (and the fatcats) none.
Re: Care to define "gouging"?
By Paul Thompson May 23rd 2007 at 2:54 pm EDT
I agree. Fatcats are lining their pockets. However, unless we set some sort of measurable limit on their profits, we're just whining.

The people sponsoring the petition know that. So what good is the petition to them? My guess is that it produces revenue for them, as some percentage of signers will also donate cash to the cause. It will also capture email addresses which can be sold for more revenue.

All for a petition that will not do one iota of realistic good.

I'm not challenging your position on this issue. You have mistakenly read far more into my comment than I put there. My point is that we cannot effect meaningful change by using such a wildly subjective term as "gouging".
Re: Care to define "gouging"?
By Carlo! May 23rd 2007 at 3:10 pm EDT
That's why I NEVER use my everyday email address on these types of things. Sorry, but I don't. I'm not setting myself up to have to spam any new email being sent my way, thankyouverymuch.


COMMON SENSE tells EVERYONE whether they are being "taken" or not.
Fatcats pockets? Lined or not?
COMMON SENSE ... Gouging? No gouging?


One person: an opinion.
Two people: 2 opinions.
Three people and/or more: CONFIRMATION.

I'm not concerned with the petition writer or pollster.
My focus is on those getting over on the little guy. Otherwise known as the fatcats.
When there are fewer fatcats getting over, I'll re-think this gouging issue.
Until then ...
Nope. Won't do it.
Re: Carlo word
By AnneK May 23rd 2007 at 2:44 pm EDT
I have an Anne word. It's a noun that describes what the Bush Admin has been up to for 6 years now.... F**kery . As in, I look at the news and say , "Oh, geez... what new f**kery is this?"
Re: Carlo word
By Carlo! May 23rd 2007 at 3:12 pm EDT
Great word, Anne!

I'm stealing it.
Re: Care to define "gouging"?
By Matt May 23rd 2007 at 1:45 pm EDT
I agree with you about conservation Paul. The oil companies are saying that there is a bottleneck in the refineries and capacity has been reduced.

But the oil prices, on the market, have been relatively stable or even on the decline a bit. Combine those two facts and I smell a rat.

I can't prove it but it does seem like the oil industry is able to manipulate price in some pretty creative ways.
  
FUCK PRICE GOUGING, SOLDIERS ARE DYING
By AngryDemocrat May 23rd 2007 at 1:30 pm EDT
GET A REAL PETITION GOING, LIKE ONE THAT KICKS REID AND PELOSI OUT ON THEIR ASSES.

BY THE WAY, I'M A DEMOCRAT AND I THINK GAS PRICES ARE WAY TO CHEAP! UP! UP! UP! MORE , MORE , MORE! I WANT 6 BUCKS A GALLON, AND YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY? BECAUSE I KNOW HOW TO FIX THE PROBLEM, THAT'S WHY. WHAT DO YOU DUMBASSES THINK WILL HAPPEN IF GAS PRICES GO BACK DOWN AGAIN?

NOTHING!!!

WAKE UP, END THE WAR, BUY A PRIUS, AND LET MARKET FORCES WORK THEIR MAGIC
Re:
By Paul Thompson May 23rd 2007 at 3:06 pm EDT
You must have been the star on your high school debate team.
Re: Re:
By Carlo! May 23rd 2007 at 3:56 pm EDT
That's debatable.

It's a joke. PLEASE don't go gettin' your bloomers twisted, thank you!
Re: Re:
By Pirrettel May 24th 2007 at 1:06 am EDT
Are you mocking me because my bloomers are twisted? Joking. GO Carlo!GO Carlo!GO Carlo!
  
IT AIN'T GOUGING IF EVERYONE'S PAYIN IT
By AngryDemocrat May 23rd 2007 at 1:31 pm EDT
IF GAS PRICES GO UP, I WOULD BE PLEASED. YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY? BECAUSE I LOVE THE ENVIRONMENT, THAT'S WHY. SIGN THE PETITION IF YOU LOVE GEORGE BUSH.
Re: IT AIN'T GOUGING IF EVERYONE'S PAYIN IT
By Carlo! May 23rd 2007 at 1:54 pm EDT
Hm mm ...

Tell me how you REALLY feel?

No one is ignoring that lives are being lost, here.
But, I tell you what ...
It will be a doggone shame the day that the war ends when I can't go pick a soldier up at the airport (that is more than 50 miles from my home) because I don't have the $$$$ to buy the fuel to get me there.

Oh, and know this ...
That goll darned war most certainly BETTER NOT end today because the entire Detroit bus system is not in operation as the bus drivers have decided to begin a city-wide strike today.

Basically, I feel your wrath and your passion as well.
We all have to choose our battles.
Thank goodness there is a "you", and that there is a "me".
Both issues are issues that SUCK.
Everyone knows that in a perfect world there should be no issues at all.
Too bad this isn't a perfect world.
Really. Truly. For real.

And, BECAUSE THIS WORLD IS NOT PERFECT, today we will all have our focus'; we all can find and focus on some very real and distressing issues. We all know that the list is endless.

But, right now you'll have to excuse me.
I have to go make some $$$$ to set aside for the day that the war ends.
I don't want to leave not one soldier standing, waiting for me to get there; waiting for a ride.
  
without trying to start a fight
By AnneK May 23rd 2007 at 3:17 pm EDT
I am curious about Paul's point. Gouging IS wrong, but how do we define it?

Without a definition it's the same as signing a petition against "being mean." I'd sign a petition against being mean, but without a measurable concrete definition and standard, it just can't be enforced.... That's what it sounded like Paul was saying, and I too am curious about it.
Re: without trying to start a fight
By Carlo! May 23rd 2007 at 3:53 pm EDT
When what you make at your job is less than what you take home to spend to TRY to feed your fammily, pay for insurance (all kinds), auto repairs, household repairs, what little extracurricular activity you can afford, and simply put - living in general - then you have to go buy gas and can barely afford it, I consider us GOUGED.

WHY are WE dependent on THEM to define what gouged means? We are the ones that pay for the use of it. WE are DEPENDENT on them enough (as it is) for THEIR stupid petro!
If milk goes up to $15.00 a gallon, I think that we will be smart enough to know that yes ... there are still cows (so okay, no shortage there), and plenty of workers to extract the milk, truckers are still moving milk from dairy farm to stores, but it's $15.00 a gallon and THEY haven't, don't, and won't seem to explain it.
I'd consider myself quite GOUGED.

Some stuff just does not compute.
Re: without trying to start a fight
By Paul Thompson May 23rd 2007 at 4:02 pm EDT
That's quite a philosophical reply.
Re: without trying to start a fight
By Carlo! May 23rd 2007 at 4:09 pm EDT
Agreed.

To philosiphize (discuss the nature of reality) is a good thing, I think.
Re: without trying to start a fight
By Carlo! May 23rd 2007 at 5:31 pm EDT
It's not about philospophy, or common sense so much as it is about lifestyle, Paul.
I don't need "them" to engage me in "their" rhetoric regarding exactly why "they" continue to raise the prices of fuel.
Sans a whole new way to extract it from soil, and new ways to get it to us, there is absolutely nothing that they could ever tell me that would make sense of the truth and the complete fact of the matter that EVERY TIME we face a holiday, "they" raise the prices on "their" fuel.
Exclusive. Not inclusive. And, not seeming very fair to me. And better still, for no good reason.
"They" didn't give me one. Did "they" give you one?
Re: without trying to start a fight
By Carlo! May 23rd 2007 at 5:37 pm EDT
Instead of being concerned with the use and interpretation of the word "gouging", what I wonder is why YOU aren't curious as to why it is that they raise the price of fuel EVERY SINGLE HOLIDAY?
I think that you are missing the ENTIRE point, here.
Re: without trying to start a fight
By Paul Thompson May 23rd 2007 at 9:36 pm EDT
Considering the amount of time we've known each other, I think it's a bit presumptuous of you to think you know what I'm curious about.

The point is that wasting your energy on worthless efforts gets you no closer to the goal. You have to find practical outlets for your protest. Signing an online petition that nobody will read is folly.

The reason we need a definition of "gouging" is precisely so we eliminate the many interpretations of the word. As long as Big Oil is allowed to interpret the word, they will do so in their favor and profits will continue to rise unabated.

And there you will be, signing online petitions that go nowhere.
Re: without trying to start a fight
By Pirrettel May 24th 2007 at 1:20 am EDT
I've thought about gouging too, but a prudent person knows when their bank accounts, wallets or purses are being toyed with. We should write our legislatures and ask them to price freeze before holidays and freeze it until our wages increase. Maybe Paul can come up with a gouging definition and figure out if low income, middle income are being gauged according to their wages. I know when people have to 'give up' luxury's and then dip into basic needs to make ends meet, it's probably a sign of gouging and putting the squeeze on people to get every last bloomin'BLUE McPenny they can.
Re: without trying to start a fight
By Pirrettel May 24th 2007 at 1:31 am EDT
By the way, price gouging and price fixing are illegal. Gouging's when the seller asks a price that is much higher than what is seen as 'fair' market value. Not too many of us are seeing this as fair market value. It's a fish hook, they know we need the gas, blame us for using and then raise it. Too, increasing gas according to 'fear mongering' or the 'battle in Iraq' isn't reasonable to most reasonable people and nothing but tampering with emotion + pocketbook because they can get by with it. Thus the 'hook'remains, it doesn't kill us, but it still hurts to have the hook remain under our skin.

I'm sure MSNBC and CNN will announce the tally on this petition since it's MOVE ON.org.

Stay BLUE, ACT blue.
Re: without trying to start a fight
By Carlo! May 25th 2007 at 2:28 am EDT
I shall not be moved, just as you shall not, apparently.

Moving on from this topic, please remember to NOT accuse someone who does not know you of claiming to, in fact, know you. There was NEVER any presumption here. Honestly, I hadn't given any of this the "thought" that you may have thought.
You may have pegged me wrong. I don't take the opinions of others THAT seriously.

Stay blessed, Paul Thompson. Because you are!
  
Assoc. Press about Price Gouging...
By Pirrettel May 24th 2007 at 1:44 am EDT
Read this and learn more about price gouging:

Link


It was written: May 23, 2007, 5:26PM
House OKs gas price gouging penalties
By H. JOSEF HEBERT Associated Press Writer
2007 The Associated Press

WASHINGTON Responding to high costs at the pump, the House approved legislation Wednesday that would outlaw gasoline price gouging. Many lawmakers said that may be easier to say than to detect or enforce.

The legislation would penalize individuals or companies for taking "unfair advantage" or charging "unconscionably excessive" prices for gasoline and other fuels.


....sounds like "Unfair advantage" to meeeeee...but I could be wrong (I'm blue faced).
Re: Assoc. Press about Price Gouging...
By Carlo! May 25th 2007 at 2:35 am EDT
Praise God! YOU get it (because everyone doesn't)!

COMMON SENSE told us a long time ago that when "they" raise the price of fuel, annually, and for EVERY holiday (as if, y'know ... as if that's the norm), and with absolutely NO explanation for doing so, that they THEN gouge us!

Thanks, Michelle!
Good lookin' out.
...and thay isa Gawd...
By Pirrettel May 28th 2007 at 6:09 am EDT
...and thay isa Gawd! A BLUE God...I think. At least in 'Color Purple' SHE was a BLUE God. teehee.

Ha! I just got back from Fairbanks Alaska. I rented a car, was given the option to fill the tank @ $2.40 gal or let them do it for $2.95 per gal. Who wants to save 50 cents per gallon? ME do! NO gasoline in Fairbanks was under $3.00/gal. Maybe car rental suppliers have their own supply of gas at lower rates, cause I sure didn't see it and I should have let them pump it, my mistake. I was gone only 4 days, upon returning and to my surprise, Juneau's gas went up 35+ cents a gallon. What happened, I spent 3 days at a track meet, did 'W' try to scare us again, or did another refinery go up in flames? This is becoming the 'norm' too and no one questions it! Dang nabbit these noobs are getting by with gouging whenever and wherever possible.

You're welcome Carlo!...I gotchur back!