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Do We Really Want to Have to Rely on OH & FL to Win the General Election?
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I have a question for everyone out there. With the voter irregularities (which were caused by republican controlled election apparatus) that occurred in FL & OH in 2000 and do we really want to really require wins in either state in order to win the White House?

My point is quite simple. Clinton must win either FL or OH in order to win the White House. Without winning one of those states she does not win enough electoral college votes to win the Presidency in the General Election. See Link:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/Apr25.html

We know that in 2000 and 2004 both in OH and FL the republicans controlled the election apparatus and were able to give the Republicans a win in a close election in those states. If Clinton does have a lead over McCain in FL or OH, the lead is razor thin, definitely close enough that any voting irregularities will wind up giving the state to the Republicans. Clinton doesn't have any other states to replace a loss of one of these states. So, if she loses even one of them we lose the election.

Do we really want FL & OH to determine whether we win or not?

If not, then how can Clinton be the best General Election candidate for the party as she MUST win ONE of these states in order to win the General Election?

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That is a disturbing thought
By Mr Bill Apr 26th 2008 at 8:26 pm EDT
Not so much MI but Florida is like the gang the can't shoot straight why anyone would live there I have no idea. And why they keep electing idiots I truly have no idea
Re: That is a disturbing thought
By NJ member Apr 26th 2008 at 8:29 pm EDT
its all the sun
Re: That is a disturbing thought
By Mr Bill Apr 26th 2008 at 8:43 pm EDT
we have lots of sun here in Texas, but we have enough sense to not bake our brains :-)
Re: That is a disturbing thought
By ... Apr 26th 2008 at 8:30 pm EDT
too much sun
Re: That is a disturbing thought
By ... Apr 26th 2008 at 8:31 pm EDT
JYNX!!!!
Re: That is a disturbing thought
By Reddogs Apr 26th 2008 at 8:31 pm EDT
We know that the Republican election officials in FL can hand the election to McCain (an are going to do so), so why rely on that state. Ohio is just as bad and with the Diebold machines will wind up being McCain's as well. Clinton has no other states to replace those two state and loses the GE without one of them. So why do we want her as our GE candidate?

I really want the Democrats to start finding candidates that can win the GE without OH and FL so that we don't have to allow their "voting irregularities" to determine the outcome of the GE.
Re: That is a disturbing thought
By Deb Wiliams Apr 26th 2008 at 8:32 pm EDT
i have to agree.
  
You read my mind,,,,,
By Deb Wiliams Apr 26th 2008 at 8:28 pm EDT
I am beginning to think more and more that if we continue to "trust" our dems in FLA and OH to bring us through in the end - are they going to hold true and vote dem regardless of who the candidate is? We "give" them so much control and they let us down every time - so to speak.

It's as though they can't be trusted and thats concerning to me. Divisive stance I take - perhaps - but it needs to be addressed. I know there is no absolutes.

It's been demonstrated in past elections that even when given choices - they counter vote - no matter what the dem nominee does. We seem to keep losing them for one reason or another and no one has ever been able to figure out why.

Hard to determine what will happen.
Re: You read my mind,,,,,
By Reddogs Apr 26th 2008 at 8:33 pm EDT
In all fairness to the Dems in both states, I think that the Republican election officials in FL and the Diebold machines in OH are more to blame than our Democratic friends in those states.

I just don't want to rely on states that we know are crooked. I want a path to the White House that makes those states and their problems irrelevant.
Re: You read my mind,,,,,
By Deb Wiliams Apr 26th 2008 at 8:40 pm EDT
i want to believe its not the voters - but i just cant be sure of what factors into their decision in the end.

how many registered voters do they have repub - dem and unaffiliated - anyone know?
Re: You read my mind,,,,,
By Reddogs Apr 26th 2008 at 8:43 pm EDT
We know that Katherine Harris, the Republican Secretary of State, got a promotion after handing FL to Bush in 2000. And the Republican election official in OH that gave the election to Bush in 2004 also got a promotion after that.

The republicans in those two states control the elections pure and simple. Until that problem is resolved the solution is to hope that the Dems will be able to win in those states, but don't count on it and have a plan in place to win without them.
  
Re: You read my mind,,,,,
By Reddogs Apr 26th 2008 at 8:53 pm EDT
And the Diebold machines in OH are suspect. After all when you look at the primary results in NH, Obama won handily in the majority of paper ballot counties, but lost by approximately 7% in every Diebold machine voting county. Still think electronic voting is a good idea?
  
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