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For those of you who remember the Bill Clinton Presidency, PLEASE tell me what was so wrong! Our country was doing good. The deficit was soooo much lower, economy good, lower gas prices, and I could go on and on and on. My family was doing good. I had a great job and could afford to go to work. I am a single mom so I yearn for those years again. If anybnody remebers those years then you will remember Hillary. She was so strong and outspoken then. Believe me she was right there with him, assisting with decisions, I have no doubt. Why not return to the good years we have already seen? Why? Why? Why? Obama supporters please tell me. I always ask questions and you guys never answer, but PLEASE answer this one. (And do not refer to their personal life, it had nothing to do with us). Why are you so stubborn to insist on an unexperienced guy, who has definte questionable judgement, yes one thing I am referrring to his his church. I mean come on, he just now quit the church after the last media sound bite (as you like to call them). If he really disagreed with the church, he would have stopped a long time ago. So, there are 2 questions here. 1) What did you not like about your life and the economy when the Clinton's were in office? 2) Why did he stay in that church if he wants to better America? (I do not expect an answer for the second question because I have asked it numerous times before and instead of answering, you guys change the subject) This was probably one of the most important elections of our time and it is going to turn into the worst, unless the nomination changes hand to Hillary. Sorry, but that is a fact. Now, for you wonderful, young voters, who may be supporting Obama, and you do not remember the Clinton years--PLEASE ask someone that does remember. Those were the good years. The Clinton's worked very hard and our country was viable and alive. You deserve to know about those years. I will be waiting to read the responses, because I would really appreciate the answers to these questions. Thank you.

Reader Comments
  
AMEN
By txdem Jun 5th 2008 at 12:53 am EDT
AGREE
  
They Are Not Siamese Twins!
By Donia19 Jun 5th 2008 at 12:53 am EDT
The manner in which you wrote your post sounds as though Hillary was the Co-President! It was Bill Clinton's presidency - got it?

I voted for Bill Clinton twice - Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton! Because she was his wife, you cannot TIE her to the success of his presidency.
Re: They Are Not Siamese Twins!
By Donia19 Jun 5th 2008 at 12:59 am EDT
...and another thing, You're right about the personal life issue. I've always felt that their private life was personal; however, it would be brought up yet again in November. Especially - in light of recent relevations of Bill's latest cheating trysts.
Re: They Are Not Siamese Twins!
By LilOopsie Jun 5th 2008 at 1:32 am EDT
when it comes to politics sex and a bit of drugs are the *main dish* but than for some odd reason nothing is never said about rock'n roll LOL

My personal opinion : I do not care with whom a politician goes to bed as long as it keeps him happy and his political performance is good and come on let's face it ... a happy guy does a better job :)
Re: They Are Not Siamese Twins!
By Rubymom Jun 5th 2008 at 12:59 am EDT
I did not say they were twins, Oh my goodness. Can you answer my questions?
private life = personal?
By Artemis Jun 5th 2008 at 1:02 am EDT
So, wouldn't that include where one goes to church?
Re: private life = personal?
By Rubymom Jun 5th 2008 at 1:09 am EDT
You are not serious are you!!!!! When you sit and listen for 20 YEARS to those kind of sermons and I have listened to a few of the FULL SERMONS, they do affect the way you think. You do not stay somewhere if you do not believe the teachings. Again you are not answer my questions? Did the Clintons go to a church that taught things like that! I am sorry that is not the things America's President needs to be listening to. Our President is for all people and that church clearly does not teach that they love all people. Just your way of avoiding my question and changing it like i SAID IN MY POST.
Re: private life = personal?
By Donia19 Jun 5th 2008 at 1:43 am EDT
If you think that ALL presidents have been for ALL people, you are delusional! This church thing has become an excuse. If you listened to the full sermons, which I doubt, then you know that the sound bytes were taken out of context. But, that's neither here nor there, and if they were as awful as you claim, how could you listen to a few FULL SERMONS as you put it? I certainly couldn't listen to an entire Klan speech.

HRC's Rev. Coe - leaves a lot to be desired in his zest to praise Hitler.

Anyway, how one worships should not come into play.
Re: private life = personal?
By Rubymom Jun 5th 2008 at 1:46 am EDT
You can order them and I did because I could not believe that there was really churches like this out there. Yes, I listened to the whole thing and it was horrible. Have you listened to them? You beliefs are our business if you plan to run for the POTUS.
Re: private life = personal?
By Donia19 Jun 5th 2008 at 1:57 am EDT
One's religious beliefs ARE NOT YOUR DAMN BUSINESS!!!! Kennedy ran into this problem because he was Catholic. I repeat, it's not your damn business!

...and, as a matter of fact, I've done serious traveling, and I've been to this church, and heard the man speak. He's an old man who grew up with Jim Crow, and sometimes he gets carried away; however, the times I heard him speak were quite bland. I was really waiting to hear the fire and brimstone - but nothing came.
Re: private life = personal?
By Rubymom Jun 5th 2008 at 8:45 pm EDT
it is my business if he wants to be my next POTUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!
Re: private life = personal?
By Donia19 Jun 5th 2008 at 1:59 am EDT
...you pussyfooted around everything I said!!!
Re: private life = personal?
By Pale Rider Jun 5th 2008 at 2:03 am EDT
So Coe's praise for Chinese communist children killing their parents, even cutting off their heads, in service to the state doesn't faze you in the least, huh?

You're a real piece of work.
Re: private life = personal?
By Democrat in Myrtle Beach, SC Jun 5th 2008 at 2:00 am EDT
The Klan certainly doesn't have anything on Trinity lol They looked pretty equal to me. Hate Mongers
Re: private life = personal?
By Donia19 Jun 5th 2008 at 2:16 am EDT
...do some reading about HRC's precious Rev. Coe!!! It might open your eyes to some things.
Re: private life = personal?
By Democrat in Myrtle Beach, SC Jun 5th 2008 at 2:05 am EDT
The Klan certainly doesn't have anything on Trinity lol They looked pretty equal to me. Hate Mongers
Re: private life = personal?
By Donia19 Jun 5th 2008 at 2:55 am EDT
...trust me - they are not equal, and if you think they are, you are a bigger racist than I originally thought!!!
Re: They Are Not Siamese Twins!
By Donia19 Jun 5th 2008 at 1:48 am EDT
I did answer your questions! I will not tie Bill Clinton's presidency to Hillary! Is that good enough for you?
Re: They Are Not Siamese Twins!
By txdem Jun 5th 2008 at 1:04 am EDT
Ok but people don't exist in vacuums. She had a guiding role in his decisions and we all know that. Thats one reason she was disliked by some. I assume Hil and Bill share many of the same values. She uses many people from his team. When she is POTUS he will give her guidance. HILLARY BEING ASSOCIATED WITH BILL COMFORTS ME MORE THAN THOSE THAT OBAMA CHOOSES TO ASSOCIATE WITH
Re: They Are Not Siamese Twins!
By Democrat in Myrtle Beach, SC Jun 5th 2008 at 1:05 am EDT
Everyone knows that Hillary was the President then, only behind the scenes.
Re: They Are Not Siamese Twins!
By Donia19 Jun 5th 2008 at 2:55 am EDT
FOOL!!!
  
Obama supporters
By Rubymom Jun 5th 2008 at 1:02 am EDT
Please respomd. This is my problem, you never respond to things like I am asking!
Re: Obama supporters
By LPH Jun 5th 2008 at 1:11 am EDT
Your premise assumes everyone was doing well during the Clinton presidency. Plus, as someone else stated, Bill Clinton was not the candidate.
Re: Obama supporters
By Rubymom Jun 5th 2008 at 1:15 am EDT
Can you answers my questions, both of them!
Re: Obama supporters
By LPH Jun 5th 2008 at 1:39 am EDT
1) Life for many sucked in the 1990s. On October 22, 1994, the Bankruptcy Reform Act of 1994 (Public Law 103-394, October 22, 1994), was signed into law by President Clinton. Why? Because people were over taxed and over spending.

2) I strongly believe someone's belief is theirs and not mine. Stay out of my bedroom and my personal life.
Re: Obama supporters
By Democrat in Myrtle Beach, SC Jun 5th 2008 at 1:50 am EDT
Well First of all, One must know , that the Candidates go out and campaign for all the right purposes, this is political positioning.

They basically state what they would like to see, however its so rare that you actually see it. Next is the taxing, want that health care bill etc, well if you want it then you will be taxed, in case anyone has forgotten the US is Bust! And I don't see many places standing in lines to give us loans. So that leaves us with trying to choose a person we think will do best with what they have to work with. And the DNC among many others have made decisions that have undoubtedly hurt us well beyond repair.
Re: Obama supporters
By LPH Jun 5th 2008 at 1:49 am EDT
I also forgot NAFTA was signed by Bill Clinton.
Re: Obama supporters
By Artemis Jun 5th 2008 at 1:18 am EDT
I'll respond. I caucused for him in Colorado (February). I guess that makes me a supporter but I also believe in Hillary's popular vote argument as well - still waiting for the other shoe to drop perhaps. I would vote for either. At the time, I liked his direction better but, now I'd rather see him as her VP and then as POTUS in 2016.

1.) Yes, I enjoyed the Clinton years and, yes, I believe she was instrumental in many things as First Lady. Part of me was fixated on the Bush41/Clinton42/Bush43/Clinto n44 dynasty. I bought into the "Change We Can believe In" scenario and was very moved by his speeches as well as his "Issues" page on his website.

2.) I don't know how he could have sat in that church for 20 years. Judging on his Senate voting record, he probably wasn't there for much of it! Had to... Just had to :-)

Seriously though, he's a career politician. I would wager that he's still an atheist at heart and that part of his attendance to TUCC was based on developing a strong constituency within Chicago's Black community. Do I fault him for that? I suppose so, yes.

As a White woman in my 40's, I've lived to see our country come together. I really believed that he was the candidate to do so. After seeing this campaign played out over months & months, I'm left with a headache and a bewildering sense of, "Now What?!?"
  
Alot is different
By 57 year old independent white male Jun 5th 2008 at 1:05 am EDT
The times are differnt

What is required of the US president is different.

Bill Clinton is different

Hillary Clinton is not Bill Clinton (which is not all bad)

I find you are not comprehending the changing world and it's needs

John F Kennedy was a great President; better than Clinton. Does that mean Caroline Kennedy would be a better candidate than hillary or Barack
  
Re: Good years for what
By Rubymom Jun 5th 2008 at 1:13 am EDT
I really do not know who you are or who you are for; because you do not seem to agree with anyone.
Re: This person is an eyesore
By Democrat in Myrtle Beach, SC Jun 5th 2008 at 1:20 am EDT
Just appears everywhere, a nuisance.
Re: Good years for what
By Democrat in Myrtle Beach, SC Jun 5th 2008 at 1:23 am EDT
Ruby some believe, that Obama will lead un into the end of times , AKA as the Anti Christ.

This believe it or not , this is not an uncommon idea.
Re: Good years for what
By Rubymom Jun 5th 2008 at 1:34 am EDT
Oh, I am with you on that thought. I am a devote Christian and the Bible defintely tells us that an unknown will rise up and say they will solve all the problemsa and peopl;e will flock to him. It will defintley be like this situation. It is scary. Now, Obama supporters I am not saying he is that one, so please do not say I am.
Re: Good years for what
By Donia19 Jun 5th 2008 at 2:20 am EDT
Did you mean devout Christian? Well, get in your Bible and read some more! How dare you and your buddy insist that Obama might be the AntiChrist?

The AntiChrist will not head up this country.

You know - I'm through talking to you racists!

Go to hell - you'll have plenty of company!!
Re: Good years for what
By Donia19 Jun 5th 2008 at 2:14 am EDT
..read your Bible, and pray for forgiveness!
Re: Good years for what
By charctine Jun 5th 2008 at 11:20 am EDT
How do you know the antichrist will not head up this country? Do you know who it IS? If you do, please save us all alot of trouble and TELL US!
  
Questions
By Democrat in Myrtle Beach, SC Jun 5th 2008 at 1:12 am EDT
1. The Clinton years were fantastic all the around and the Economy was never better.

2. Obama didn't even really leave his church for the reasons that he should have, he left to save the church harrassment. Therefore leading me to believe he only left the church in body but not in soul. Which in return leaves his resignation from the church useless. He is Racist , why else would someone attend a church that is so full of hate.
Re: Questions
By 57 year old independent white male Jun 5th 2008 at 1:20 am EDT
Do you think Bill would have left Monica if he had not been caught?
Bill's personal indiscretion hurt his daughter, his wife and the nation.

Baracks dilemma over the church was complex and is in the open and really did not hurt anyone.
Re: Questions
By Democrat in Myrtle Beach, SC Jun 5th 2008 at 1:25 am EDT
In all actuality, affairs happen every day, Kennedy remember him, altho he was the Best.

However people don't attend Racist Churches every day. Especially like Trinity that one takes the cake, and is truly an embarrassment to the Democrats who think hate mongering is ok.
Re: Questions
By Rubymom Jun 5th 2008 at 1:31 am EDT
You truly do not believe that Obama listening to that church and its pastor's did not have an affect on his views at age 20 something and up. We are so impressionable at those ages. Can you honestly believe that it will not affect our nation? You are smarter than that?

I knew you guys would bring up Monica. My goodness look at all the politicians who have been caught. I do not know how that personal situation hurt you; but it did not hurt my living.
Re: Questions
By Pale Rider Jun 5th 2008 at 1:56 am EDT
MORONS at any age are impressionable. People who can think for themselves don't let their pastor do it for them.
you
By luckeyduckey Jun 5th 2008 at 1:24 am EDT
can not possibly know why Obama left the church. If you want to guess, then identify your statement as a conjecture.
Re: you
By Democrat in Myrtle Beach, SC Jun 5th 2008 at 1:27 am EDT
He stated why he left the church... To save the church, go back and watch it. It was a meaningless resignation.
Re: Questions
By Donia19 Jun 5th 2008 at 2:24 am EDT
It's one thing to be racist; however, it's another whole ball game to be a STUPID RACIST!!!!

What you want people to believe is that the man hates his dead mother. Really? Do you hate your mother? This lady stuck with him through thick and thin - along with the grandparents. There is no way the man will hate the blood that runs through his veins.

You would have more credibility if you just came out and said, I won't vote for a black man! I could at least have respect for you!! You're called a closet racist! All your talk about church and Christianty, and you don't even know what it means to be a Christian.
Re: Questions
By charctine Jun 5th 2008 at 11:24 am EDT
He said in his book that he hated being white and was ashamed of his mother.
  
Questions
By Democrat in Myrtle Beach, SC Jun 5th 2008 at 1:12 am EDT
1. The Clinton years were fantastic all the around and the Economy was never better.

2. Obama didn't even really leave his church for the reasons that he should have, he left to save the church harrassment. Therefore leading me to believe he only left the church in body but not in soul. Which in return leaves his resignation from the church useless. He is Racist , why else would someone attend a church that is so full of hate.
Re: Questions
By Rubymom Jun 5th 2008 at 1:14 am EDT
Thank you for your answers, which I just happen to agree with. lol
Re: Questions
By charctine Jun 5th 2008 at 11:24 am EDT
Me too!
  
Obama Supporters
By Rubymom Jun 5th 2008 at 1:19 am EDT
Just as I thought, you cannot answers these important questions.
Re: Obama Supporters
By Artemis Jun 5th 2008 at 1:24 am EDT
hey... scroll up :-)
Re: Obama Supporters
By Rubymom Jun 5th 2008 at 1:37 am EDT
SORRY, thank you.
Re: Obama Supporters
By LPH Jun 5th 2008 at 1:55 am EDT
Nonsense, I answered.

NAFTA and Bankruptcy laws are two reasons to support my statement that not everyone was well off during the Clinton years in the Presidency.

Second, I explained that you or anyone else has no business in anyone's private life; I disagreed with the impeachment proceedings and I disagree with any candidate who Wraps themselves up in religion - ala family values, morality, etc. We need a public servant in office and not a priest or pastor.
  
Re: Obama Supporters
By Rubymom Jun 5th 2008 at 1:39 am EDT
Thank you. I could go on and on, too. lol
Re: Obama Supporters
By Donia19 Jun 5th 2008 at 3:08 am EDT
Racist #2!!!
  
Re: Obama Supporters
By Donia19 Jun 5th 2008 at 2:26 am EDT
..I appreciate your most gracious racist remark!
  
Not the Same Person
By cmloy Jun 5th 2008 at 1:43 am EDT
I voted for Bill Clinton both times he ran. However, people are not interchangable. Hillary is NOT Bill. The fact that you think they are the same people is a little strange. Times are different now and not even Bill is the same person he used to be. If he ran again (assuming it was possible for him to run) I would not vote for him. He has become almost as conservative as Hillary and neither one of the really stand for what the Democratic Party stands for anymore. Obama does. That is why I caucused for him and that is why I will vote for him in the general election. I will not apologize for voting for the better candidate that stands for what I stand for.
  
You have no comprehension. Sorry.
By Pale Rider Jun 5th 2008 at 1:46 am EDT
"Believe me she was right there with him, assisting with decisions, I have no doubt. Why not return to the good years we have already seen? Why? Why? Why?"

First off, you are absolutely incorrect, and you can read her book, if you don't want to believe me. In her words, she "watched" as Bill handled the tough issues. Watching a baseball game doesn't qualify you to play for the NY Yankees.

You are giving HER credit for HIS accomplishments. AND! You are giving Bill credit for what was under the control of Alan Greenspan -- the flourishing economy. I fully realize that most people don't have a grasp of how little control over these things the president has, but, there is a simple way for you to verify Greenspan's economic control. Go to any stock tracking website and look at May '99 to May '01. Pick any of the huge companies you want. Notice the downward trend and where the sharpest declines hit. Then, compare those time periods to the prime rate increases that Greenspan instituted. They will coincide almost exactly for the greatest majority of the top 100 stocks.

People who are giving Bill Clinton credit for the prosperous years don't know anything about the nation's economic machinery.

It helped that Bill did his level best to have a balanced budget, without a doubt. But, that was the total extent of his influence in how well the country was doing.

No matter who inherits this mess that Bush is leaving behind, any boom times are going to be a long way off. We have too much deficit to catch up on and too much infrastructure that needs replacing as well as hardening our border and port security.
Re: You have no comprehension. Sorry.
By Rubymom Jun 5th 2008 at 1:53 am EDT
I am very smart. I never said that she was HIM. Please. I also know how the government works somewhat and I do know that it takes more people than just the President to get things done. But, his ideals and influence and beliefs are part of it. He does have certain powers that could be dangerous in the wrong hands. Also, the ones that help the President are the ones that have finagled this election to get him nominated. That is very worrisome. I still stand on my belief that the wrong person CAN hurt our country and I will not help in that way.
Re: You have no comprehension. Sorry.
By Pale Rider Jun 5th 2008 at 2:10 am EDT
You still don't get it. Bill Clinton did not have any control over the moves that Greenspan implemented. The Fed Chairman is immune from the influence of the White House or Congress, just like the Supreme Court Justices are SUPPOSED to be. Greenspan didn't work for Bill Clinton. He had more real power than Bill or any other president in recent history. Why would he work FOR someone who had less power??
Re: You have no comprehension. Sorry.
By Democrat in Saint Louis, MO Jun 5th 2008 at 3:28 am EDT
On the contrary, Alan Greenspan would not have embarked on an expansionary monetary policy had it not been for Bill Clinton's willingness to balance the federal budget by increasing taxes and cutting government spending. In fact, if you happen to read Maestro, a book that provided information regarding Greenspan's and his inner workings at the FED, you will learn that Greenspan and Clinton agreed to work together, the former willing to provide monetary stimulus in consideration of the latter's agreement to push for a balanced budget. Greenspan ( a libertarian Republican) had a great deal of respect for Bill Clinton's mastery of economic issues and other policy matters. The relationship between the former FED chief and both Clintons was one of mutual respect. Just for the record George HW Bush (bush 41) deserves some credit for helping to balance the budget, since it was his rebuke of his "read my lips, no new taxes" that contributed to the budgetary successes of the late 1990s.
Re: You have no comprehension. Sorry.
By Donia19 Jun 5th 2008 at 2:37 am EDT
I don't think you are very smart, as you don't seem to be able to understand even the most basic of explanations.

YOU brought up the Clinton years, YOU tied Hillary to Bill's presidency, and YOU say that, "I know that she is not him." Good grief, woman, make up your mind.

Why can't you sing Hillary's praises without bringing up Bill? You are TYING them together as a workable unit, and it doesn't work for me!!
  
Bill Clinton was one of our best Presidents.......
By William Bain - Democrat in Flushing MI Jun 5th 2008 at 1:52 am EDT
To: Rubymom,

Thank you for your post. President Bill Clinton was one of our greatest Presidents.

During the eight years of the Bill Clinton Presidency; our economy was booming, energy costs were reasonable, and under the leadership of President Bill Clinton, our country actually had a surplus. Under Clinton's administration we were looking at solutions for funding social security, long term.

Senator Hillary Clinton even as First Lady was a advocate and fighter for the people, advocating Health care for all Americans, even back then.

When I think of President Bill and Hillary Clinton, I remember how great things were in our country during the Clinton years in the White House.

We need to get those days back; Senator Hillary Clinton has the leadership and the solutions we need to bring America back.

God Bless America and God Bless the Clinton's.
Re: Bill Clinton was one of our best Presidents.......
By Rubymom Jun 5th 2008 at 1:54 am EDT
Thank you for your response.
Re: Bill Clinton was one of our best Presidents.......
By Donia19 Jun 5th 2008 at 2:39 am EDT
Are you Sandi?
  
Re: They Are Not Siamese Twins!
By Donia19 Jun 5th 2008 at 2:57 am EDT
...they tie Bill - what does that mean?
  
I remember those years
By charctine Jun 5th 2008 at 11:09 am EDT
They were good. Much better tahn the past 8 years.
Hillary helped as an advisor. Some say that that was his Presidency, not hers. But why should hers be much different? She was involved.People vote for a former vice president running for President right?
As far as thier personal/private lives, it shouldn't be a factor, but let's face it, it is! No one wants to comment on Obama's, but people are all to happy to drag Bill Clinton's personal involvements out into the light. Why? To me, a powerful man having extramarital relations is not a suprise. I don't condone it, but it is, unfortunately, common. It is also no great threat to the country. However, a President that deals with extremists, racists and criminals could be a very real threat.