Post from Howard Dean's Blog:
All Talk and No Climate Change
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"America is addicted to oil." These were the words of President Bush 18 months ago. Since then, he and the 2008 Republican presidential hopefuls have paid nothing but lip service to the issue of global warming. Just days prior to the summit announcement, the White House rejected a G8 climate change agreement. Romney, McCain, Tancredo, and Brownback have all opposed strict fuel efficiency standards. McCain has opposed renewable energy standards. And Giuliani is avoiding the issue altogether. As long as Big Oil keeps Republicans flush with cash, they will continue to harm our efforts to stop global warming. Let's elect a Democratic president in 2008 and get serious about climate change. Donate to the Democratic Party today.

www.democrats.org/EndTheDenials

Reader Comments
  
No
By Paul Thompson Jun 8th 2007 at 4:57 pm EDT
"All Talk" is also coming from the Democratic side of the aisle. Get some laws passed, then come begging.

Paul Thompson
  
Okay
By FreedomOfSpeech Jun 8th 2007 at 5:07 pm EDT
On THIS one , our Party is in the right.
Re: Okay
By Paul Thompson Jun 8th 2007 at 5:10 pm EDT
Where's the action in Congress? Have they passed any bills? Have they sent anything to the President for signature?

Until they do, they're just making noise.
Re: Okay
By FreedomOfSpeech Jun 8th 2007 at 5:12 pm EDT
I'm talking about us as a PARTY has been in the right with this issue. Howard Dean did not elect the crap that we call Democrats in Congress. Those are imposter's and we sent those fake phonies to Congress with our votes. If we want to see real Democrats and real Democratic Legislation, we will elect real Democrats. This one isn't Howard Deans fault.
Re: Okay
By D. Tree Jun 8th 2007 at 5:29 pm EDT
Congress HAS passed bills, namely all the bills they promised to pass in the first "100 hours"

here is a list of the legislation they passed:
Link
Re: Okay
By FreedomOfSpeech Jun 8th 2007 at 5:30 pm EDT
Thanks
Re: Okay
By Paul Thompson Jun 8th 2007 at 5:40 pm EDT
But there's nothing there about climate change, the subject of this posting.

That initial 100-Hours thing was months ago and we're not moving forward. The Democrats in Congress are major contributors to Gov. Dean's "All Talk".

Personally, I don't think anyone should pay in advance for merely promised action. Promises are famously cheap.
Re: Okay
By D. Tree Jun 8th 2007 at 5:45 pm EDT
OK, your points are valid. Personally I think Dean is doing a tremendous job as Chairman: he has returned the DNC to the grassroots and given us sites like this partybuilder. I am a firm believer in Dean's philosophy of strong democrats instead of watered down republicans. He is stearing the *party* in the right direction -- and the mission of the DNC is not to get into the fights between individual Dem candidates -- that's up to us. We have a lot of new blood in Congress and they are caving in to pressure not to be "too liberal." I think that's where we should put the pressure on: in our individual districts as constituents of these people.

In all, I will continue to support Dean and his chairmanship because it is his leadership that brought us victory last November and I believe the same leadership will bring us victory in 2008.
  
Draft Al Gore...
By Unknown user Jun 8th 2007 at 6:43 pm EDT
and then watch the money start rolling in. Until then, don't ask me for money when congress is still afraid to do its duty.
  
puzzled
By My Vote Jun 8th 2007 at 9:52 pm EDT
Governor,

I am personally aware that members have addressed dozens upon dozens of messages to PartyBuilder. Barely a handful have been answered. Two letters of concerns have been hand-delivered to the DNC. A petition signed by almost 30 regular posters was sent to the DNC. No response, no acknowledgement was forthcoming. This history has convinced every member that the DNC cares not a whit about PartyBuilder blogs.

All of these efforts have had as their context adjustments to the software which the members have agreed would make the site more usable and more attractive. Our aim has been to open a dialogue to these ends and we have been ignored and justifiably feel snubbed.

I am therefore puzzled that you would wish to comment to us through PartyBuilder while ignoring our attempts to comment to you.
Re: puzzled
By Paul Thompson Jun 9th 2007 at 12:06 am EDT
Don't hold your breath awaiting a response, My Vote.
Re: puzzled
By Unknown user Jun 9th 2007 at 11:01 am EDT
My Vote, do you really think that Howard Dean sat down and wrote these posts? I guess he could have, but somehow I think that some staffer at the DNC is doing it in his name. Sorry to be so cynical, but that's how I get in a one-way communication that is only about extracting money from me.
my cynicisms bigger than yours, na, na :-)
By My Vote Jun 9th 2007 at 11:40 am EDT
I don't think Gov. Dean wrote the post. I also don't think whoever did write the post is going to look at the comments. I'm also not sure the person who wrote the post is the person who posted the post. But it would not surprise me if the person who posted the post did not read the comments either.
Re: my cynicisms bigger than yours, na, na :-)
By Unknown user Jun 9th 2007 at 12:36 pm EDT
Dean didn't write it, whoever wrote it didn't post it, whoever posted it isn't going to read the comments. Sounds like good old American democratic process to me.

What the hell do we all really think is going on, we are doing this (posting blogs, writing comments) to reassure ourselves that we do still have a voice, but it is really an exercise in futility. It is occasionally nice to discover that I agree with someone, or that someone agrees with me. But I must admit that more often than not what I read here is discouraging, and when I read some of what my fellow democrats believe it is downright frightening.

This site is called party builder, and those who created it really think of it as data base builder or bank account builder.

Even the post from Al Franken was demoralizing from the standpoint that he revealed how little he can do other than raise more money so that he can win a congressional seat that he will then have to spend time raising money to keep. And I think that Franken is one of the good guys.

My cynicism often turns to despair, and then my despair turns to anger, because I hate feeling hopeless and getting mad is better than getting forlorn.

Does the Demcratic Party really know or care what a resource they are wasting when they only see democrats as check books and credit cards. A few years ago, I decided that I would contribute financially in the hopes that I would feel as if I was part of the solution. However, instead of feeling empowered, I feel as if I have simply added drops of water to an ocean of financial corruption. Money doesn't buy happiness, nor does it buy good government. Damn, I really hate where things stand...
Re: my cynicisms bigger than yours, na, na :-)
By My Vote Jun 9th 2007 at 6:41 pm EDT
Yup,

"more often than not what I read here is discouraging, and when I read some of what my fellow democrats believe it is downright frightening."

I agree, but where else are they going to go to hear the truth or see the facts? The most recent post as I write this is from someone glad that illegal immigrants will not get amnesty. That might be reasonable if you believe Inhofe from Oklahoma that 1 out of every 150 people in ths country are illegals. Or discount that illegals pay more in taxes than they take out.


"those who created it really think of it as data base builder or bank account builder."

Again, I agree. McConaha went to someone and sold the concept that you describe. It has not turned out that way and he is too much of a candy-ass to come to grips his error. My belief is that the benefits of PB have eclipsed that original picture. What is being groomed here are left-wing activists. Everyone who has established a presence on PB has ratcheted up their enthusiasm and their commitment - and, unfortunately, their blood pressure on finding how deep and how wide is the swamp. If the Democratic Party is indeed the party of the people, rather than Republican-lite, PB is where it's happening.

If someone with vision and authority in the DNC were to take a good look at PB I think they'd conclude it was a really good investment and one that has the potential to fulfill the original expectations, but only by coincidence. The true value of PB, to my sense, is its reflection of what goes on when people who care try to affect change. As such, I think that makes it a great advertisement for the Party.
Re: my cynicisms bigger than yours, na, na :-)
By Unknown user Jun 9th 2007 at 7:19 pm EDT
Hey My Vote, Thanks for the kind of encouraging words, I have trouble figuring out how to have my eyes wide open to reality, and resist running away kicking and screaming from what I see. My husband tells me that I am so liberal that even the democrats don't know what to do with me--ha-ha-ha. He pisses me off too. :-)

The state of mind that this country is in is frightening--I don't even think that people can hear how they sound anymore. If you had told me that someone on a democratic blog would advocate that we should criminalize the organizations that rescue men, women, and children from death in the southwestern deserts as they are coming across our borders, I wouldn't have believed it. But that is what some of my fellow party members think. I guess we can all thank Lou Dobbs for creating this ugly cult within our party. They seem able to turn a blind eye to the fact that illegal immigrants are literally lured by employers and communities to do jobs that Americans do not want to do. In Las Cruces nothing would get built in this town if it wasn't for immigrant labor. And too many buy into the bullshit that they don't pay taxes, and that illegals are getting social benefits. AGGGGHHH...

And Howard wants more money--if he was promising to use it to help re-educate all the dumb ass democrats whose minds and hearts are so infected with American superiority and corporate propaganda, well maybe that's a cause I could start donating to again.

I spent my afternoon tearing into my fellow democrats who thought it was okay for police to manhandle a elementary age black child and put her in handcuffs. And the racism, and lack of compassion for a child was horrifying to me. And then they justified and rationalized their perspective.
If democrats aren't going to stand against racism, and child abuse, and police brutality please tell me who is.

I am coming to the conclusion that I am not a political activist, maybe I'm a social activist, and maybe I'm even a socialist, but sometimes I swear I feel like a liberal democrat without a party or a country---can you say Belize, Please.

Thanks for the ear....:-)