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I cannot understand the persistence in True Blue advocating a Third Party candidate in 2008. The one thing that seemed immediately apparent was that he truly was a Democrat. One that sees the downward spiral our country is in right now and the need for Democratic leadership. However, his recent advocacy for a third party candidate says otherwise. Insisting on voting for a third party candidate is nothing more than continued pouting when his candidate lost. I do not adovcate telling him not to post, as censorship isn't just un-American, its Republican. Advocate whatever you want true-blue. But one thing is for sure: change your name, call yourself True-Billary. True Clinton or Truely Disappointed. But get real. I too am frustrated with the Democratic Party and their reluctance to standup to Republicans. Whether it be the War, FISA, Karl Rove, the are weak, but much better than the alternative. If you do vote 3rd Party or Repub, do us all a favor, post on the Repub site or the Green Site. But know you do not stand for Democratic principles. You stand for a senial man advocating a continuation of Iraq, streching the military far beyond its capacity, out of control spending, poor state of the economy, shelter for predatory mortgage companies, reluctance to get off oil, abrasive and disgraceful foreign policy, shelter for political criminals and overall incomptence. Join their party and freely voice your opinion to those who care. And I pray, I don't hear you complain about what John McCain's administration has done to this country next year because voting for a third party is voting for McCain.

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Re: WTF????
By Real Patriot Jul 30th 2008 at 6:11 pm EDT
The hypocrisy of the defender of free speech. I do not declare myself to be more intelligent. I only ask these anti Obama dems to give me a reason they think Mccain or anyone else is better than America. I also ask that if you advocate voting for a third party, do it under a banner of leaving the Democratic party. Not "True Blue." Obama is true blue. Not voting for Obama questions your dedication to Democratic principles. Because you will not find a valid reason consistent with the Democratic platform to vote for McCain or a Third Party candidate ahead of Obama.
  
blogs
By Obama/Biden4highserenity Jul 30th 2008 at 5:45 pm EDT
indicate a MISNOMER
Re: blogs
By Obama/Biden4highserenity Jul 30th 2008 at 5:48 pm EDT
READING a persons blogs is a great indicator of why they are here----yours are clear

it's harder with some, as they delete their own blogs, or only post comments, and don't expose themselves to research by blogging.

thanks
Re: blogs
By Sandi Jul 30th 2008 at 5:56 pm EDT
Words from Russia, only her opinion counts. No Obama supporter is going to strong arm any Democrat or try to control other peoples opinions. Get over yourself!
  
You stand for a senial man advocating a continuation of Iraq?
By Terry Jul 30th 2008 at 5:52 pm EDT
wright, nuts ... are you assimilated?
  
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Re: This argument does not accomplish the following:
By BobVADemHawk Jul 30th 2008 at 6:10 pm EDT
Then what is the viable alternative, Laura? The GOP? A third party candidate that probably can't get to 5% for matching funds?

This is still America. Vote for whom you want. But this is still the website for the Democratic National Committee and our presumptive nominee is Senator Barack Hussein Obama (D-IL). Those who are opposed have a variety of websites they can bash our nominee at.
Re: This argument does not accomplish the following:
By Sandi Jul 30th 2008 at 6:17 pm EDT
We are in a rock and a hard place. We have time to decide, but this shit that some, not all, the O supporters on this blog are pushing are making me hate him. Serenity and Lincoln, I swear they are trolls.
Re: This argument does not accomplish the following:
By Irlandese Jul 30th 2008 at 6:30 pm EDT
Baloney, Bob. This is still a Democratic website and if you want BO all day, then go to his website. Your telling us to STFU and go away is PRECISELY the reason that PUMA exists. Keep it up--you're really getting our point across. Thanks.
Re: This argument does not accomplish the following:
By BobVADemHawk Jul 30th 2008 at 7:53 pm EDT
PUMA or Operation Chaos? I believe they may be the same. And very little of what you post would make a real Democrat, like Sen. Clinton, think otherwise.
Re: This argument does not accomplish the following:
By Real Patriot Jul 30th 2008 at 6:14 pm EDT
Not true. I am not a doubter. But obviously you are. As such, I am simply trying to convince others who don't believe he is the best choice why he is better than the rest. I will settle for that.
  
BRAVO!
By BobVADemHawk Jul 30th 2008 at 6:03 pm EDT
Well said! This is the website of the Democratic National Comittee. Not the Greens, the God-forsaken Libertarians, or the Nader nuts...
Some folks just ain't smart enough to figure that out. The ones that are smart enough are probably here as remnants of Rush Limbaugh's Operation Chaos or some other GOP infiltration group.
  
Obama and Hillary's Positions are Identical
By Real Patriot Jul 30th 2008 at 6:07 pm EDT
I do respect one's opinions. But not as a supposed advocate for the Democratic Party. Obama and Hillary's positions are virtually indistinguishable. There is no reason not to vote for him other than spite. I don't hear people say vote for a third party candidate because his health care plan won't work, or because he will talk to Iran. It's the "I don't like that guy" as a sole basis for voting another way. Put your country ahead of your spite. Vote for Obama because the America Obama promises to stand for is founded on principles the democratic party is founded on and America is founded on, not high school like spite.

Also, don't declare yourself the defender of free speech and dismiss my opinion as garbage. At a minimum, its hypocrtical.
Re: Obama and Hillary's Positions are Identical
By Irlandese Jul 30th 2008 at 6:36 pm EDT
Real Patriot--HRC's and BO's positions are hardly "identical". Her's comes from years of experience; his comes from imitation. As for spite, nice try. Throw me a bigger bone than that. Do you think you can shame me into voting for a fraud? Won't work. Call me all the names you want, but this Democrat is staying home in November if her party can do no better than this.
Re: Obama and Hillary's Positions are Identical
By wantedfairness Jul 30th 2008 at 10:01 pm EDT
Problem.

#1 it is UNDEMOCRATIC to denounce the right to speak one's mind.

#2 people are upset. Not just because their nominee did not get the nod but because the party engaged in tactics to assist one in insuring his nod.
There was no response to cries of caucuses not being completely fair. Texas is only now thinking of looking into it (After the fact of course). This is similar to Howard Dean's tacit approval of sexism by remaining silent UNTIL his candidate won the nomination. But the web site was full of diatribes regarding the accusations of racism, however unfair.
The unseemly ability of caucuses to overturn primary votes (one open to all and one open to the few???)

Spouting of rules but lots of misinformation by the party. Rules say no counting Michigan and Florida and poor Obama not on the ballot. But no information that clearly in florida the democrats were stuck by a Republican legislative decision. No discussion of high turnout in Florida.
No discussion of the fact that the field was level in that neither campaigned there but an Obama ad had been seen on Florida TV and that florida came after highly covered wins by Obama in the South.
Yet still no consideration for the true Florida vote nor the demographics which had been seemingly coming true for both candidates.
In addition, it was not just Hillary and no Obama on the ballot in Michigan. Hillary was not the lone option in Michigan but few realize that.Still this rules committee claiming fairness basically ruled the way Obama wanted.

#3 Early cries by the Obama people that delegates must accurately represent the people not just their own will. Yet, after showing some strength that was forgotten and delegates were overturning the people's decisions in their own state?

#4 Hiding behind surrogates too much in false claims.

#5 a party which seemed to give up on the concept every vote must count!

#6 too much arrogance. I understand a nominee can make their own chocie when selecting VP's. However, when the nominee barely won and did not win by a landslide consideration must be made of the one who similarly claimed a virtually equal vote count for it does represent the will of the people. When the will of the people no longer counts we are in trouble.

#7 we are hearing slogans which are meaningless when it all goes back to the same old same old. Money is all that matters and promises can be forsaken once one gains enough. (FISA)

#8 Taking the opponents position but never acknowledging it is interesting. During the debate Mr Obama was stumbing on a tax policy. He seemingly had no clue as to what would be considered middle class and what point is above. Ms. Clinton was clear. Now we are hearing Ms. Clinton's numbers being tauted. The big question can we believe it.

#9 When the party leadership does very little, cries weakness even after a vote in their favor, and never stands up sometimes people feel that a turn to independence is in order even if the wrong nominee gets a vote, because it is time to shake up the party into realizing what they have done.

Going along often reinforced the same bad behaviors. That is a choice and decision one considers like it or not. Sometimes it is right,sometimes not, but sometimes thought necessary.

The sad truth is we needed checks and balances all along and we have seen few, even with a democratic leader in the house and senate.

And some of us are still shaking from our representatives so afraid that they fail to fight. That lack of filibuster left a permanent stain on the courts. Respect would have been shown had we had leaders who at least fought a good fight. But we saw little of that. Perhaps between that and poorly orchestrated primary season wrought with inconsistency we have thoughts of independents. Perhaps it is to effect that sting on a party which has lost its way in many ways.
  
Re: Obama and Hillary's Positions are Identical
By Real Patriot Jul 30th 2008 at 6:16 pm EDT
You can state what you want. When you do so under the banner of a true Dem its merely dishonest. You mistake my post for one calling for censorship rather than one criticizing the content. Mine is the latter. Much like yours.
  
Re: This argument does not accomplish the following:
By Irlandese Jul 30th 2008 at 6:32 pm EDT
Hey Patriot08--save your breath. Bob ain't getting it. I bet he's getting agitated with all of us "free-thinking Democrats" here. How it must annoy and anger him. Pity.
  
Re: Obama and Hillary's Positions are Identical
By wantedfairness Jul 30th 2008 at 10:22 pm EDT
thanks.

I was just rambling and didn't really work on it.

But its just a few disassembled thoughts that I really do think merits some consideration whether or not one agrees.