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It's time for Obama to drop out of the race
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Since so many well wishing Obama long knives have been snipping and whining for the last year it's time for a reality check.
Obama has either dismissed or found irrelevant the middle class, single women over 40 all baby boomers and the elderly. Which leaves him a loser in November. For the sake of the party and winning the white house he should withdraw.
FYI: If I were in a church for 20 years, I would not have played the ignorant card Obama has played. See no evil speak no evil hear no evil? Ya right...no one believes this guy.

Reader Comments
  
uh
By Someonewhocares May 24th 2008 at 12:36 pm EDT
I am a Clinton supporter but I do not think Obama should drop out nor anyone should. They have earned to be where they are
Re: uh
By VTDem May 24th 2008 at 12:38 pm EDT
While were at it why don't we just cancel the election in November and just "hire" a new president?
  
well, that's not entirely true...
By charctine May 24th 2008 at 12:38 pm EDT
Alot of People on this site believe every word that comes out of his mouth. And they cannot understand why so many do not. That is why there is so much bashing of The Hillary Supporters and such animosity on here.
Re: well, that's not entirely true...
By NJ member May 24th 2008 at 12:41 pm EDT
well that's not completely true either, we are not fools, but the Hillary supporters argue the same way, you would think she walks on water for them. The fact is she lost!!! If she wants to stay in fine, but attacking the party and the person she KNOWS will win is just wrong
Re: well, that's not entirely true...
By John May 24th 2008 at 12:46 pm EDT
I wrote this because Hillary supporters have been getting bashed over and over again by Obama supporters who are absolutely ruthless . When your back is to the wall I come out fighting. I will not lay down and kiss the feet of any arrogant self righteous SOB. The majority of the 17 million voters who voted for Senator Clinton feel this way.
Re: well, that's not entirely true...
By VTDem May 24th 2008 at 12:57 pm EDT
You have the math backwards. Here's the total popular vote including FL and MI seated at 50%

Obama: 17,016,106 - 49.1%
Clinton: 16,449,004 - 47.5%

Obama +567,102

She doesn't have 17 million, Obama does :)
Re: well, that's not entirely true...
By Pale Rider May 24th 2008 at 1:38 pm EDT
BUT, that's not counting the total votes from the caucus states that have not released actual counts.
Re: well, that's not entirely true...
By Terry May 24th 2008 at 2:33 pm EDT
Caucus Definition

Caucuses are meetings held statewide in high schools and town halls and are open to all registered voters of the party. In some caucuses, like Iowa's, independent voters are allowed to participate as well.

Rules for caucuses vary state by state and party by party, but generally the voters divide themselves up into groups according to the candidate they support, and the undecided voters also gather in a group and prepare to be swayed by the groups that have a preferred candidate. Representatives of each group then give speeches in hopes of persuading others to join their group.

At the end of the process, the number of voters in each group is counted to determine how many delegates will represent each candidate at the county convention, and then the state convention, at which delegates are chosen to attend the party's national convention.

The whole process takes several hours, and because of the time commitment required, fewer voters typically participate in caucuses than primaries. The shift from caucuses to primaries began in 1968 with the McGovern-Fraser Commission, which was created in response to the chaos and rioting that happened at the 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago.

In other words, thet are old school and not as democratic as primaries.


Hillary Rodham Clinton 08

The Inclusive Choice
and thats not entirely true...
By Deb Wiliams May 24th 2008 at 12:44 pm EDT
there are some pretty staunch and down right mean hrc supporters on this blog and thats not even the issue any longer.

the problem is that some are stuck on this one track of ride with my candidate or die think - that benefits no one.

the solution is to find the median - and get everyone moving in that direction.

bashing doesn't help and postings about protesting or abstaining in a hope to over throw the democratic party come November is just not needed.
Re: and thats not entirely true...
By charctine May 24th 2008 at 1:06 pm EDT
Look in the mirror! You would think that this is Obama's website. This is The Democratic Party. Hillary Clinton is a Democrat, and if her supporters want to blog with each other and share thier views and concerns, we should be able to do so without bashing or harassment. But, it's pretty clear that that is not Possible. That is exactly why The Light Brigade had their little fun with you last night. To Prove a Point. Which you missed entirely.
Re: and thats not entirely true...
By Kryptonite May 24th 2008 at 2:11 pm EDT
Please--His name is True Blue.

Every other day for the last 3 months he writes a blog about how idiotic obama supporters are and that he cant win.

he is the loudest HRC supporter here and people either love or hate the guy. I never see one Hillary person try to put him in check. Ever.

I constantly tell my fellow Obama supporters to ease up. They USUALLY listen. There is no self-regulation of H-Camp here. For you to think this is an Obama site--then you have your horse-blinders on and need to take them off.
Re: and thats not entirely true...
By Donna May 24th 2008 at 1:35 pm EDT
There are some mean and disrespectful Obama supporters on this site. This is PartyBuilders.
  
why on earth....
By Deb Wiliams May 24th 2008 at 12:40 pm EDT
are you posting this?

What are you trying to accomplish? Surely you don't for one minute believe that you are making sense by demanding "Barack should drop out"?

When I said, HRC should drop out back in Feburary because a potential disaster is on the horizon, everyone told me to relax and let the process finish.

So that is where we are - coming up to the finish of a process that we started and encouraged.

No one is leaving or dropping out so you may as well get past that.
Re: why on earth....
By John May 24th 2008 at 12:42 pm EDT
Surely yes he should! What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Look it up.
Re: why on earth....
By NJ member May 24th 2008 at 12:43 pm EDT
troll?
Re: why on earth....
By Pale Rider May 24th 2008 at 1:36 pm EDT
Troll, you ask? WITHOUT A DOUBT.
Re: why on earth....
By Deb Wiliams May 24th 2008 at 12:49 pm EDT
that's not helping hrc and surely not winning her any supporters on this blog so i doubt it will in the real world.

HRC does have a forum website - that you can go to and voice concerns such as your without a confrontation.

or is it that you just want to be confrontational and start a pointless discussion with those that oppose your candidate and have no intention of changing their minds simply based on what you say?
Re: why on earth....
By Terry May 24th 2008 at 2:19 pm EDT
So does BO

Hillary Rodham Clinton 08

The Inclusive Choice
  
ok
By MICHAEL on The Beach May 24th 2008 at 12:42 pm EDT
sure....anything else?
  
john...
By . May 24th 2008 at 12:43 pm EDT
your delusions are laughable. Hillary is done, she will not be the nominee. Obama will beat John McCain hands down, and Barack Obama will be the next president. It doesn't matter whether you choose to live in reality or not. And quite frankly someone who thinks that Barack Obama should drop out so that your losing candidate can have an easy ride is not an intelligent enough person for me to care about your potential vote or your political perspective. Good luck with your virtual world. Dream on.
Re: john...
By John May 24th 2008 at 12:49 pm EDT
your handle speaks volumes why Obama cannot win. Main stream Americans are not liberal, they are centrists. They are not feminists, they are families. He will get your one vote to 5 against him.
Re: john...
By . May 24th 2008 at 1:33 pm EDT
You have bought into the myth of the "centerist" there is no such thing. Centerist are little more than weathervanes and fence sitters. Political philosophy and intellectual values are not some line in the middle. American Liberalism is a very time-honored philosophy developed and defined by those who founded this country, created our constitution and structure of our government. It is based on the concept of the COMMON good for all. It is not a left-wing plot, liberalism is what this country was founded for. Centerist are willing to base their perspective of the self-interest of the majority, which is not the same as the common good and most often excludes everyone who is not part of the so-called majority. Our system of government from the very beginning according to Jefferson and Franklin and all those who created the constitution was set up to prevent the tyranny of the majority and to protect and consider the rights of the minority as well as the individual.

I am proud to be a liberal, and I will call centerist what they are--petty tyrants of what is best for me and all those who are willing to conform with me. It is truly sad that so many like you believe that "majority rule" is the same as "common good for all."
  
I know why HRC people are so confused.
By The One Called Goldstein May 24th 2008 at 12:50 pm EDT
They are running on Microsoft Vista...Reboot people them get a MAC.
Re: I know why HRC people are so confused.
By John May 24th 2008 at 12:53 pm EDT
Elitism at the Obama best..thank you for proving my point! And why you are a minority, thank God!
Re: I know why HRC people are so confused.
By The One Called Goldstein May 24th 2008 at 12:59 pm EDT
John you are a flip flopping Fop, One of the posts on your home page is titled, "Dream Ticket Obama/Clinton, Clinton/Obama?" In it you call THEM an unbeatable ticket.

Really, even with bad old Devil Obama. You jerk, you contradict yourself.

Go back and re-read Carl Roves squawking points and try to get it right this time, or your out of the Republican Fifth Column for good.
Re: I know why HRC people are so confused.
By John May 24th 2008 at 1:06 pm EDT
I am glad you mentioned that post. But it seems since I wrote that Obama dismisses this point profusely and his supporters foam at the mouth when it is brought up. So be it, you give no quarter and now I choose not to give any as well.
Re: I know why HRC people are so confused.
By Sue Sue's Straight Talk Express May 24th 2008 at 12:58 pm EDT
NOW THAT IS FUNNY!
  
and
By Democrat in Ellsworth, ME May 24th 2008 at 12:53 pm EDT
and who do you believe? It's over and Hillary's team put up a good fight. Now like all games when over ,including politics, it's time to lose gracefully and become a good sport. Sorry, more than white women over 40 lives and have a voice in this country. All groups were included and the system work to some extent. By the way, white women have always had direct access to the white house and like history have stated,white women have been very influiential with policy making through their husband's office. The time will come again
  
WHATEVER
By Sue Sue's Straight Talk Express May 24th 2008 at 12:54 pm EDT
See there you go. I am a female baby boomer over 40 and I am an ardent Obama supporter. I do not like Hillary never have. You are feeding into the hype of the Clinton campaign and the media. You act like he has abandoned people. Right now it is about winning delegates and that is where the focus needs to be.
  
We are in the presence
By Pale Rider May 24th 2008 at 1:30 pm EDT
of Kreskin the Amazin! He can read minds from vast distances! See?
"Obama has either dismissed or found irrelevant..."

How could he know that if he wasn't omniscient or a mind reader??!

WOW!! I'm impressed! Sir, come near that I may kiss your feet and be blessed.


N O T!

Yeah, I'll bet you're a Yankees fan, too. When it comes down the stretch in September, let's ask them to quit playing the rest of their schedule even though they're ahead by 20 games. That would surely be right, wouldn't it? It would make every bit as much sense as Obama dropping out EVER!
Re: We are in the presence
By Terry May 24th 2008 at 2:21 pm EDT
You were wrong about the working man.

Hillary Rodham Clinton 08

The Inclusive Choice
  
Oh
By Shan May 24th 2008 at 2:13 pm EDT
YAAWWWWNNNNNN!!!!
  
LOL
By Gretchen May 24th 2008 at 4:16 pm EDT
And if HRC was leading you would expect her to just drop out-- give me a break-- you did get a good laugh out of me!!!
  
Obama dropping out?
By EvMM May 24th 2008 at 5:14 pm EDT
Why would the front-runner drop out? I really don't understand some Clinton supporters (and some Obama supporters for that matter).

The reality is that we play by the rules of the DNC. By those rules, Obama is well ahead of Hillary. If you don't like the rules, you work to change them before the next election, but cannot change them in the middle of the game.

I want to make a note that I don't believe the comments of some Clinton supporters are the opinion all of them. Most, I would say, are logical, intelligent people.

They understand and respect the opinions of others. They realize Obama supporters made their decision after careful thought.

I for one, was an Edwards supporter because I most identified with his views. I switched to Obama after hearing his views, seeing his record and how he reacts under pressure. I like the organization of his campaign and the people he surrounds himself with.

I am not a Hillary supporter because I disagree with her vote on Iraq, vote on Iran and many of her comments, including to obliterate Iran.

Am I worried that Barack is just another politician that won't live up to his words? Of course. But I am more worried that Hillary will live up to hers.

I am more worried about McCain. I am worried for this country if it continues to go in the same direction.

I am an Obama supporter because I feel it is time for a change. Clinton, by the way she runs her campaign, doesn't seem to reflect change. Just more of the same.