Disgruntled Clinton voters who will vote for McCain, a third party or not at all- who pays the price of their vote?
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Many unhappy Clinton supporters are saying they will vote for McCain, a third party or not at all out of protest that Hillary was cheated out of the nomination by unfair DNC rules. They want to send a message to the DNC. Who pays the price for the protest vote? Brave American soldiers serving in Iraq Americans in desperate need of some type of universal health care Americans in grave financial situations looking for economic reforms. Any of the protest votes will facilitate the election of John McCain. He will carry on the Bush Iraq war policy that will end in more brave American soldiers unneccessarily losing their lives. Obama's Iraq policy is very close to Clinton's John McCain does not support universal healthcare. Many American's are desperate for universal health care and will suffer without it. Obama supports a modified version of Clinton's universal health care. John McCain's economic policy is very close to Bush's. The only ones prospering under the Bush/McCain economic policy are the very rich. Everyone seems to lose. Obama's economic policies are very close to Hillary's. It is America. You have your right to your protest vote. But think who will be paying the price for your protest vote.
Likewise those same kinds of people say insulting things to Clinton supporters to try to make them mad at Obama and get them to support McCain.
" This post is dedicated to everyone who has ever written that they support one of our candidates but will vote McCain over the other one. This post is intended to prove to you how indefensibly stupid that threat is.
Here's a riddle:
How can so many people who support Barack Obama so strongly OR the ones who support Senator Clinton so strongly actually consider jumping ship to support McCain?
Answer:
They can't
Barack Obama on ABORTION:
Voted against banning partial birth abortion. (Oct 2007)
Trust women to make own decisions on partial-birth abortion. (Apr 2007)
Pass the Stem Cell Research Bill. (Jun 2004)
Protect a woman's right to choose. (May 2004)
Supports Roe v. Wade. (Jul 1998)
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance. (Dec 2006)
Barack is PRO-CHOICE
Hillary on ABORTION
Voted liberal line on partial birth & harm to fetus. (Oct 2005)
Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
Voted NO on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
Hillary is PRO-CHOICE
McCain on Abortion
Supports repealing Roe v. Wade. (May 2007)
Voted YES on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions. (Oct 2007)
Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted YES on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
McCain is ANTI-CHOICE
Obama on HEALTHCARE
Voted YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D. (Apr 2007)
Voted YES on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D. (Feb 2006)
Voted YES on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics. (Nov 2005)
Voted YES on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug. (Mar 2005)
Improve services for people with autism & their families. (Apr 2007)
Obama is PRO PUBLIC HEALTH
Hillary on HEALTHCARE
Health care initiatives are her first priority in Senate. (Feb 2001)
Voted YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on limiting medical liability lawsuits to $250,000. (May 2006)
Voted YES on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D. (Feb 2006)
Voted YES on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics. (Nov 2005)
Voted YES on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on allowing reimportation of Rx drugs from Canada. (Jul 2002)
Voted YES on allowing patients to sue HMOs & collect punitive damages. (Jun 2001)
Rated 100% by APHA, indicating a pro-public health record. (Dec 2003)
Improve services for people with autism & their families. (Apr 2007)
Hillary is PRO PUBLIC HEALTH
McCain on Healthcare
Preserve quality of health care by individual responsibility. (Dec 2007)
Include a health savings account in healthcare reform. (Jan 2006)
Voted NO on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D. (Feb 2006)
Voted YES on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics. (Nov 2005)
Voted YES on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on $40 billion per year for limited Medicare prescription drug benefit. (Jun 2003)
Voted NO on including prescription drugs under Medicare. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on limiting self-employment health deduction. (Jul 1999)
Voted NO on Medicare means-testing. (Jun 1997)
Voted NO on blocking medical savings accounts. (Apr 1996)
Tax credits for those without employee health insurance. (May 2002)
Tax deduction for long-term care insurance. (May 2002)
Rated 25% by APHA, indicating a anti-public health voting record. (Dec 2003)
McCain is ANTI PUBLIC HEALTH
Obama on National Security
Voted YES on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months. (Jul 2007)
Voted YES on implementing the 9/11 Commission report. (Mar 2007)
Voted YES on preserving habeus corpus for Guantanamo detainees. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Mar 2006)
Voted NO on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision. (Dec 2005)
Obama puts human rights above war
Hillary on NATIONAL SECURITY
Voted YES on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months. (Jul 2007)
Voted YES on implementing the 9/11 Commission report. (Mar 2007)
Voted YES on preserving habeus corpus for Guantanamo detainees. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Mar 2006)
Voted NO on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision. (Dec 2005)
Hillary puts human rights above war
McCain on NATIONAL SECURITY
Keep “Donâ €™t ask, don’t tell†policy - it works. (Jan 2000)
Voted NO on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months. (Jul 2007)
Voted NO on preserving habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees. (Sep 2006)
Voted NO on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Mar 2006)
Voted YES on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision. (Dec 2005)
I support the Bush doctrine of pre-emptive war. (Jan 2006)
READ THAT LAST QUOTE AGAIN
Obama on CIVIL RIGHTS/GLBT ISSUES
Being gay or lesbian is not a choice. (Nov 2007)
The politics of fear undermines basic civil liberties. (Oct 2007)
Ok to expose 6-year-olds to gay couples; they know already. (Sep 2007)
Has any marriage broken up because two gays hold hands? (Aug 2007)
Include sexual orientation in anti-discrimination laws. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)
Rated 100% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)
Obama is PRO-GLBT and PRO AFFIRMATIVE ACTION
Hillary on CIVIL RIGHTS/GLBT ISSUES
Federal Marriage Amendment would be terrible step backwards. (Oct 2006)
Gay soldiers need to shoot straight, not be straight. (Nov 2003)
End hate crimes and other intolerance. (Sep 2000)
Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)
Rated 96% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)
HILLARY is PRO-GLBT and PRO AFFIRMATIVE ACTION
McCain on CIVIL RIGHTS/GLBT ISSUES
Don't ask, don't tell is working; don't tamper with it. (Jun 2007)
Confederate flag in front of Capitol is ok. (May 2007)
Confederate flag is a “symbol of heritageâ€. (Jan 2000)
Flying Confederate flag should be left to states. (Sep 1999)
Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)
Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)
Voted YES on Amendment to prohibit flag burning. (Dec 1995)
Voted YES on banning affirmative action hiring with federal funds. (Jul 1995)
Rated 33% by the HRC, indicating a mixed record on gay rights. (Dec 2006)
Rated 7% by the NAACP, indicating an anti-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)
John McCain is ANTI GLBT and ANTI AFFIRMATIVE ACTION
Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are both proven by their VOTING RECORDS AND ACTIONS to be very liberal. Issues.org rates them both as "hard core liberal†based on voting records.
John McCain opposes everything that Barack Obama stands for.
John McCain opposes everything that Hillary Clinton stands for.
There is absolutely no way at all that anyone who honestly supports either Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton for President of the United States of America could ever vote for John McCain.
If you are willing to vote for McCain, then you never actually believed in either one of Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama."
His ego won't let him do it. His followers won't admit that Hillary could help him win. Their level of hatred towards Hillary knows no bounds. In the end, Obama has a choice of taking someone who will anger Hillary's supporters, or Hillary.
Kathleen Sebelius is a cynical choice, that brings very little electoral college help to the ticket. Choosing her would be like saying "How about this 60+ y.o. white woman instead?" I can't imagine that would go over well.
Choosing anyone else virtually guarantees taking another man. Ed Rendel, Wes Clark, the traitor - Bill Richardson, etc. are not substitutes for Hillary. They did not win primaries in important states, or the popular vote.
By not taking Hillary as his running mate, Obama risks alienating 15-40% of her supporters. Can he really afford for those people to sit home, or worse, vote for McCain?
I'm afraid true healing will not come unless Hillary gets on the ticket, and I just don't see Barack or Michelle ever letting that happen.
Sebelius isn't just a token, she also has earned her popularity. She was also considered for VP in 2004, and discussed way back then for VP in 2008.
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Sure, you can frame it how you did, but please don't forget she is also an excellent choice because of her credentials.
Like you said, electorally she may not bring much, but what is best for the country (and really we are just speculating about one choice) is paramount.
It's funny, Obama supporters like to point out how close Hillary and Barack are on the issues, but then they can't imagine them working together to acheive those goals.
Leave us in Iraq longer with more deaths
Deny Americans universal health care and further suffering
Take away the hope for economic recovery for middle and lower classes
just because they do not like Obama
If you want Clinton like policies pushed by the President vote for Obama.
If you want to bite your nose off to spite your face vote for McCai or do not vote at all.
It just does not make sense.
Sen. Obama faces an unenviable decision and the one thing he probably does not need is a lot of pressure from 1000 different directions, all prodding him into a hasty and not-fully-deliberated choice. Sen. Clinton has much to offer, but she (and the former President) also has much baggage. We all know this; we all want him to make the best choice possible; so let's all get off his back for a bit. Besides he deserves a victory lap or two before he has to get right back to work. Of course I've just written that knowing full-well that he met with Sen. Clinton earlier this evening, so perhaps we can dispense with notion that he's going spend the time to take that victory lap or two...
The one thing that really steams me, though, are all the self-absorbed, blind supporters of both candidates (though the focus is now on hers of course) who vow that they will stay home or (how on *Earth*???) vote for Sen. McCain. It boggles the mind. Sure some of these are probably Republican "plants", but I bet this number is far lower than we all might hope. No I think there is, out there among the strong supporters of both candidates, a great deal of resentment for the other candidate. For those in this group, the Clinton supports will sulk if she's not chosen for VP and the Obama supports will sulk if she is. Both sides need to settle down, take a good, *hard*, look at the political situation in America (particularly WRT the courts) and resolve to do the Right Thing for the country -- regardless of the composition of ticket.
It is not an intellectual decision.
You vote for Obama
or
You vote for McCain
or
You don't vote at all or vote for a third party which is as good as a vote for McCain
Clinton is nop longer an option
Obama can win if the Clinton supporters back him. To make it more palatable consider it a vote against McCain by voting for Obama.
By not voting for Obama you are supporting McCain.
If you feel Mccain is the better candidate vote for him. If you do not vote for Obama.
A protest vote is silly and useless, actually harmful.
Because of the DNC and all of it's flagrant mis-management, I will not vote for Obama unless Hillary is on the ticket.