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I know there are people here that believe we cannot get impeachment through, however, I totally disagree with this. We as a group, can get good representatives and senators into office, and get a democrat into the White House in 2008. That only requires us as democrats going to the polls and voting in masses. By letting, our voices be heard across this great country of ours. That is the easy part.

However, over the next year, we will not get a thing done as long as the current Administration is in office. Daddy Bush will veto any thing and everything other than his own personal agenda. That is the bottom line plain and simple. Not to mention what he could do to the judicial branch of government in the process.

Those of you who sit here and say that we cannot get impeachment through, I say poppycock! One voice turns into hundreds, and hundreds turn into thousands, and thousands turn into millions. All of a sudden, we do have a voice, and a very loud one at that. However, if we sit on our duffs and say Whoa is me, we can't fight it, then you're right, we won't accomplish a thing.

Any and all of you who think I'm right on this issue, please feel free to contact me at the email address below and I will get your voice pointed in the right direction. After I wrote my last post "Make DNC One Voice", I was contacted by several people that are well on their way in getting impeachment on the table. I will be happy to get you into contact with these folks, so your voice can be heard across this great country of ours.

Ron Griesse
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not saying whoa is me
By Bentley Davis Jul 6th 2007 at 1:36 pm EDT
I am not a defeatist, but I am a realist. (1) We will not be able to get the votes in the senate to remove Bush and Cheney from office. Gonzalez should have been easy, but he remains -- and he had many Rs upset with him. (2) The effort to impeach will take away from efforts we can achieve -- taking the focus away from Iraq, away from restoring our civil liberties, away from fixing our broken health care system. And (3) impeachment focuses the energy on the single individual being impeached -- not the Republicans in general who were responsible for allowing the erosion of our civil liberties, the promotion of the war, etc. Because of the last point, I feel that impeachment has a strong potential of backfiring. I would rather focus on how Susan Collins still supports this war and how she deserves to be sent home along with the other Republican senators.
Re: not saying whoa is me
By Retired Army Jul 6th 2007 at 2:00 pm EDT
Wake up! We can't get anything done now! Do you really think that the republicans will allow anything we democrats put forth to pass? Dream on! These guys have got to go and the sooner the better. At least we can say we did SOMETHING.

Right now I'm so disappointed in our own party I refuse to donate any money or time to them. Maybe if enough legal voters got on board they would get the message. I'm damn tired of belonging to a wuss party. Bush gets nearly everything he wants and we get crap representation! And they don't care about us except for our pocketbook!
Re: not saying whoa is me
By Bentley Davis Jul 6th 2007 at 2:09 pm EDT
Why do you think that impeachment and conviction would pass, but nothing else? Also, I hope you aren't implying that I am a troll just because I don't think impeachment is the best way to deal with the Republicans. I am a lifelong Democrat and very proud of it.
Re: not saying whoa is me
By D. Tree Jul 6th 2007 at 2:15 pm EDT
my take here is that the point is not "what will pass," but what is the legitimate power of congress.

it is as much a symbolic action as anything else.

it is also an initiative. you shoot for what you want, but take what you can get. in the end we should not sell ourselves short by trying only for the bare minimum we can accomplish: we should go for the gold or drop out of the race entirely.
Re: not saying whoa is me
By Retired Army Jul 6th 2007 at 3:08 pm EDT
Thank DTree, my sentiments exactly!
Re: not saying whoa is me
By Damien Jul 6th 2007 at 3:50 pm EDT
Impeachment would take a lot of time and effort to get enough momentum and support. In the end, you will have trimmed off a few months from an administration in its home stretch anyway. Why go through all the trouble and effort for something that will happen by due process anyway? And as Bentley stated, the odds of success are very slim. And success itself would be rather meaningless as dubya's term is almost up anyway.

If the time, energy and conviction you have for impeachment were focused on the '08 elections we will have a better end result. Bush will be out of office, and we will have good lawmakers filling both houses of Congress and the White House.
  
Ron, I thank you
By Retired Army Jul 6th 2007 at 2:01 pm EDT
for this post. You are doing a bang up job trying to get these trolls their comeuppance. I salute you!
Re: Ron, I thank you
By Arius Jul 6th 2007 at 3:32 pm EDT
You consider me a troll?
  
surprised
By D. Tree Jul 6th 2007 at 2:23 pm EDT
I'm surprised how many people don't think we should even try. Of course it will be hard to get the senate votes for full impeachment, but that does not mean we shouldn't try.

I, for one, do not buy the idea that impeachment will take attention away from the other important issues: on the contrary, we have witnessed the fact this president will not respond to "nice" requests to change course. At this point what is left is for congress to actually USE the power it is given by our Constitution.

Beginning the process will bring a lot out into the open, and will also mobilize our liberal base.

We have to remember who we represent as the Democratic party. We should not be playing to win over the other side. I'm sorry but we are being *way* too nice.
Re: surprised
By Retired Army Jul 6th 2007 at 3:15 pm EDT
Again DTree, I agree wholeheartedly. We are the laughing stock of the entire country because we are so, to put it politely, without stones. Our reps back off at every opportunity because they are job scared. A few try but are said to be non-conformist.

Guess what, the public wants these guys gone and our reps do exactly, totally, without remorse, nothing!!!

My inlaws in Germany say that each day the news makes fun of our President and the people because they are so apathetic they do nothing. So much for international relations.
Re: surprised
By Arius Jul 6th 2007 at 3:33 pm EDT
The Germans have no business poking fun at having a sick ruler the people were unwilling or unable to get rid of.
Re: surprised
By Ron Griesse Jul 6th 2007 at 4:00 pm EDT
Not singling out any one country, right now we are the laughing stock of the world. Our judicial system is totally corrupt and will only get worse, And the current administration think it is above the law, and our representatives are cowering in their boots. So do we sit here a look a blind eye to the issues, or do we say "I won't stand for this anymore". I for one choose the second. And if we don't get good representation then we elect people that will represent us.

It took awhile to create this mess, and its going to take time to fix it, but we have to push the issues and make ourselfs heard.
Re: surprised
By D. Tree Jul 6th 2007 at 3:53 pm EDT
I like the way Howard Dean puts it: people don't want republican lite. Courage to do whats right regardless of the obstacles is what wins people's hearts and minds: not timidity, and certainly not fence-sitting!
Re: surprised
By Arius Jul 6th 2007 at 4:33 pm EDT
It's interesting that Dean has come to that point of view, because Barry Goldwater said the same (in the reverse) back when he lost to Johnson. Nixon was rather proof of that concept. (Interesting how liberal Nixon was. There's no way he could be a Republican today.)
Re: surprised
By D. Tree Jul 7th 2007 at 10:27 am EDT
my take on that is that the GOP has become so radicalized Reagan is actually considered liberal!