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Main Entry: fas·cism
Function: noun
1. often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

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Uff-da!
By snakelips Sep 6th 2008 at 7:17 pm EDT (Updated Sep 6th 2008 at 7:17 pm EDT)
You're sure to be banned any second! Good luck to you. LOL

-snakelips
  
GREAT QUESTION
By Obama/Biden4highserenity Sep 6th 2008 at 7:20 pm EDT (Updated Sep 6th 2008 at 7:20 pm EDT)
I have often thought of putting this forward, because I find that almost everyone who speaks of fascism, seems to mean something different than someone else.
vocabulary and our understanding of what a word means to you changes the whole discussion.

I always tie it to a corporately owned and controlled government (government is US)---and also classism.
Re: GREAT QUESTION
By denimblue Sep 6th 2008 at 7:35 pm EDT (Updated Sep 6th 2008 at 7:35 pm EDT)
The article, Living Under Fascism, at this link is written by a Veteran and now a minister. It is his definition of fascism:
Link
Re: GREAT QUESTION
By Obama/Biden4highserenity Sep 6th 2008 at 7:48 pm EDT (Updated Sep 6th 2008 at 7:48 pm EDT)
Thanks, I will read it
  
Yep
By Matt Blankenship Sep 6th 2008 at 7:32 pm EDT (Updated Sep 6th 2008 at 7:32 pm EDT)
What I've been saying. Using patriotism for a yardstick to.
Re: Yep
By snakelips Sep 6th 2008 at 8:02 pm EDT (Updated Sep 6th 2008 at 8:02 pm EDT)
Are you saying the RIGHT is fascist?!?! I see the complete opposite! "Centralized autocratic government...severe economic and social regimentation...forcible suppression of opposition"?
Those are LEFT wing desires!

-snakelips
Re: Yep
By Matt Blankenship Sep 6th 2008 at 8:46 pm EDT (Updated Sep 6th 2008 at 8:46 pm EDT)
Yes, the right. That's my opinion, in the form of more executive control and less freedom and suppression of dissenting opinions.

The right wants less government – but it tends to be in the form that aids the less fortunate.

For example; less government oversight, corporate restrictions (environmental controls), fewer social programs (privatize social security and education). This is basically a "fend-for-yourself" strategy.

But, they are fine which more government in the form of wire tapping, holding people indefinitely without trial on suspicion of terrorism, use of military.
Re: Yep
By Matt Blankenship Sep 6th 2008 at 8:57 pm EDT (Updated Sep 6th 2008 at 8:57 pm EDT)
add healthcare to this list.
Re: Yep
By snakelips Sep 6th 2008 at 11:16 pm EDT (Updated Sep 6th 2008 at 11:16 pm EDT)
I can't disagree with you too much. A "fend-for-yourself" strategy is sort of what we're after. The constitution lays out the powers granted to the federal gov't and they are quite limited. There is no provision for federal control of social security, education, healthcare, any other social programs. In fact, it SPECIFICALLY says those powers belong to the states or the people.

I do agree with you, and there are provisions in the constitution, about regulating business. And I want less executive control (because those powers apply whether a Dem or a Rep is in the White House, and it's too much power in the hands of one person), less suppression of dissenting opinions (although I don't see where that's happening now), etc.

The wire-tapping thing is OK with me personally, because the constitution only protects us from UNREASONABLE searches and seizures. It is REASONABLE to me to listen in to phone calls originating or going out to known terrorists or terrorism supporting countries. And there is oversight of the taps, after the fact, so we are afforded some protection.

We should try the people held on terrorism suspicion, but NOT in civilian courts. Too lenient, and too great a chance to reveal national security secrets. I worry that this big push to try them will simply result in summary executions on the battlefield when one of these guys is caught shooting at us. That seems a waste.

Use of the military....that's a big one. Lets cover that some other time.

Thank you for the civil discussion.

-snakelips
Re: Yep
By Matt Blankenship Sep 7th 2008 at 12:44 pm EDT (Updated Sep 7th 2008 at 12:44 pm EDT)
This is where I see fundamental differences. The attitude that wite tapping is ok is actually anti-american to me. It leaves the door open to abuse.

I understand if people think "I don't have anything to hide", but this could easily be used for corporate or political purposees. I think that is bad. Remeber, if democrats get in control, they will have that power.
Re: Yep
By Matt Blankenship Sep 7th 2008 at 12:47 pm EDT (Updated Sep 7th 2008 at 12:47 pm EDT)
Also, if a "fend-for-yourself" strategy is what they want they should just say it. I don't think this is an economically sound strategy. We would lose our edge in in every way imaginable. This would create power classes (by which I imagine you would not be a part of) and other people would live as if in a third world country.
Re: Yep
By Matt Blankenship Sep 6th 2008 at 8:58 pm EDT (Updated Sep 6th 2008 at 8:58 pm EDT)
Central government is fine when it is used correctly. It’s also subjective. If all states ran their own affairs we wouldn’t be the “United Statesâ€. We’d be the 50 country states in North America.

Economists will tell you there needs to be a balance. The government’ s job isn’t to hinder businesses, but to make sure the playing field is fair. Also, it is there to protect individual freedoms (a key to resisting fascism) and provide consumer/employee protection. We don’t exist only to the benefit of corporations; rather, we are a nation or family that needs to take care of one another.

The current administration has done more to expand executive power than any other.

How is it that the Republicans are misrepresenting Obama’s tax plan? He will reduce taxes for 95% of the population.
Re: Yep
By snakelips Sep 6th 2008 at 11:31 pm EDT (Updated Sep 6th 2008 at 11:31 pm EDT)
I think I'm with you here, for the most part. The federal gov't regulating and overseeing business is a legitimate constitutional power. And there does need to be a balance. I think the biggest benefit gov't should provide business is to get out of their way.

We should care for one another, but I don't think that is something gov't should do or enforce. That's not its roll.

I'm not going to defend the Bush administration, I'm not happy with it either. I want to work out what SHOULD be and work to make sure we don't put someone worse in office.

I think we are having problems with Obama's tax plan because firstly, his spending plans far out pace revenues that will be gained by the 5% (if that is to believed) increase he has in mind. Secondly, I feel that increasing taxes on those who already pay a big majority of them in the first place will result in an economic slowdown, and it's just plain unfair. If you want to talk a flat percentage rate across the board, combined with closing a huge number of loopholes and shelters, then that sounds exciting. A great number of people now pay NO taxes, and yet use a lot of gov't services. That is not fair and only encourages MORE use of those services.

-snakelips
Re: Yep
By Matt Blankenship Sep 7th 2008 at 12:47 pm EDT (Updated Sep 7th 2008 at 12:47 pm EDT)
So what is the role of government?
Re: Yep
By shogun-whos the baddest? Sep 6th 2008 at 9:20 pm EDT (Updated Sep 6th 2008 at 9:20 pm EDT)
You're not even welcome on a republican site. Snakelips your pathetic!
Re: Yep
By snakelips Sep 6th 2008 at 11:00 pm EDT (Updated Sep 6th 2008 at 11:00 pm EDT)
What are you talking about?

It seems to me your kind of attitude is one that would forcibly suppress the opposition. Am I not entitled to my opinion? If the left has no problem granting healthcare, income, prescription drugs, needles, condoms, housing, and any other entitlement to people, you'd think you'd at least grant me an opinion.

Thank you for your kindness.

-snakelips
Re: Yep
By shogun-whos the baddest? Sep 7th 2008 at 9:02 am EDT (Updated Sep 7th 2008 at 9:02 am EDT)
Not on a PB site fuckwad...Not after the rampant lies your party has told. It's on fuckwad and I dont give a damn if you like it. You all want fascism, but when you get a taste of your own medicine you dont like it. To goddamn bad.