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I wonder if I will be able to claim a mortgage deduction on my income taxes next year for these mortgages that I'm helping to bail people out of with my taxes?

Heck, I ought to get some kind of benefit for actually doing the right thing and being responsible! I'm not going to be able to live in those houses or ride the jet-skis that people bought with home equity loans, or go out to eat with the money they saved by agreeing to a ridiculously low variable rate and not having to pay any down payment.

The very least I should get is a frickin' tax deduction, don't you think?

-snakelips

Reader Comments
  
But it's not the people
By Arius Aug 7th 2008 at 12:41 pm EDT (Updated Aug 7th 2008 at 12:41 pm EDT)
It's the mortgage corporations that are getting the bail-out. Not the people who are losing their homes.
Re: But it's not the people
By snakelips Aug 7th 2008 at 1:15 pm EDT (Updated Aug 7th 2008 at 1:15 pm EDT)
Perhaps. But we're still going to pay. Doing the right thing sometimes hurts and we should NOT have bailed out anyone. Having companies fail and people default on loans and losing their houses is exactly what keeps the system alive. Sometimes doing the right thing is painful.

-snakelips
Re: But it's not the people
By D. Tree Aug 7th 2008 at 3:28 pm EDT (Updated Aug 7th 2008 at 3:28 pm EDT)
in a way i would tend to agree. i don' think the govt should be bailing out airlines, or mortgage companies, or mortgage giants like fannie mae, either.

that's what i don't understand about conservative governance theory: if the free market naturally leads to better things, then why do they bail out these giant institutions so much? why do they give all those subsidies to the oil companies? why do they step in and interfere with bankruptcy protection to preserve the income of credit card companies?

in reality, all these bailouts are just another form of regulation: except they're regulating the companies that need it the least.

the one exception i have is the bankruptcies and home foreclosures: these were the result of 2 Bush-led initiatives, #1 the terrible bankruptcy bill that made it harder for people with legitimate bankruptcies to file, and #2 the easing of regulatory restrictions to lenders so Bush could advance his "ownership society."

in that case, i think our government owes it to the citizens who were hurt by their policies, to help them out a bit. I just think it should be the credit card companies and the mortgage companies doing the bailouts because they are the ones who profited handsomely from taking advantage of people. We shouldn't bail out with our taxes, make the mortgage companies pay for their own mess!
  
a deduction that would make sense
By D. Tree Aug 7th 2008 at 12:44 pm EDT (Updated Aug 7th 2008 at 12:44 pm EDT)
I'd like to see a deduction from my income taxes for the *billions* of dollars in subsidy we paid (with our taxes) to the oil companies - who not only made multi-billion dollar profits for themselves on our tax dollars, but who also put millions of more dollars into the pockets of George Bush & Dick Cheney's friends.

We don't see Bush & Cheney complaining about high gas prices, guess why? Because high gas prices only make them and their friends richer. Why should our tax dollars be spent on investments for these companies who don't need them?
Re: a deduction that would make sense
By snakelips Aug 7th 2008 at 1:23 pm EDT (Updated Aug 7th 2008 at 1:23 pm EDT)
I'm cool with not subsidizing oil companies. Let them compete for profits. But at the same time don't saddle them with tons of regulation.

I would suggest too that at least we the people got something out of the oil companies. I kinda like having gas stations at every corner and only having to pay a couple of bucks for all the energy contained a gallon of gas.

OH! And, I can actually decided to buy gas or not. I can't really do anything about being forced to bail out dumb-asses who signed ridiculous mortgages. I was hoping free market capitalism would solve that problem, but no, once again big gov't steps in and meddles with the system. How can you expect people to do the right thing when there's no negative effect of doing wrong?

And I don't want to hear anything about what someone needs. If they provide a good or service they deserve as much profit as people are willing to spend. Again, let the market work.

-snakelips
Re: a deduction that would make sense
By D. Tree Aug 7th 2008 at 3:36 pm EDT (Updated Aug 7th 2008 at 3:36 pm EDT)
i would tend to agree except i think one point needs to be made: regulation.

the reason we had all these foreclosures is because of the easing of regulations to lenders. now, you might be against regulation, but you must be able to see that regulation in this example protects our economy from the drastic dips that can happen as a result of reckless lending/borrowing.

so while conservatives my typically oppose regulations, in the case of the mortgage companies, such regulations are not only there to protect consumers, but to protect the entire economy from the domino effect of irresponsible borrowing AND lending.

what really chaps my hide is the fact that the same mortgage companies that loaned irresponsibly are now buying up those same properties at sub-market rates, in effect DOUBLING their profit... all off the misery of others.

Free markets are a-moral. Regulation is the idea that we insert some morality or ethics into the equation.

I know you are for some forms of regulation from your posting in the past, so I imagine you would agree with this?
  
What else can you say?
By BobVADemHawk Aug 7th 2008 at 12:50 pm EDT (Updated Aug 7th 2008 at 12:50 pm EDT)
Agreed.
  
that's
By Maggie Aug 7th 2008 at 1:00 pm EDT (Updated Aug 7th 2008 at 1:00 pm EDT)
wishful thinking.
Re: that's
By snakelips Aug 7th 2008 at 1:29 pm EDT (Updated Aug 7th 2008 at 1:29 pm EDT)
What I really wish is that that money didn't have to be washed through the bureaucracy and red tape of the federal gov't in the first place. How about we get to just keep more of our tax money and then I wouldn't ask for a deduction and we wouldn't have to bail out bad mortgages. How about we not force federal employees including the military to pay income taxes. Just pay them a little less and skip all the IRS middle man business?

I think the reason is because the left still wants a progressive tax system where you are punished for earning more and rewarded for not doing better. If we could pass a flat tax or something similar, maybe we could then start fixing the mess.

-snakelips
  
Re: think of it this way
By snakelips Aug 7th 2008 at 1:44 pm EDT (Updated Aug 7th 2008 at 1:44 pm EDT)
You are right about the jet ski thing...That was just gratuitous, but still a perceived effect.

Oh, no doubt that the community will feel the pain in the short term if this bailout didn't take place. My concern is the precedent being set and the damage long term to the whole system of lending and borrowing based on risk and the ability to repay.

Aren't we always hearing about how are kids are going to have to pay for our mistakes now? I think this is a prime example of this. Let's take the short term PAINFUL hit now, to preserve the long term benefits of a healthy home loan market. Let's let the people who did wrong feel the pain too. Bailing them out puts most of the pain on we who did right, while those who made bad choices come out much better than they should have.

This, to me, smacks of advancing socialism and further unearned redistribution of earned wealth, and I don't like it.

-snakelips
  
I agree.
By Rob G Oct 18th 2008 at 4:03 pm EDT (Updated Oct 18th 2008 at 4:03 pm EDT)
I agree with you snakelips. Why don't hyou contact Sen John McCain and ask him what he was thinking.