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There are a few posts around on the blog right now that are attacking McCain based on the fact that he chose Sarah Palin for running mate. Their point seems to be that the choice of Palin makes McCain invalid because her teenage daughter is 5 months pregnant. (Someone even suggests that the daughter, currently 5 months pregnant, is also the mother of Palin's 4 month old child. I GOTTA know how that works.....)

Here's my opinion, take it or leave it. We should be better than stooping to these attacks on McCain via Sarah Palin's children. Period. Talk about her stance on GLBT issues. Talk about her willingness to sacrifice the arctic refuge. Talk about her lack of experience. Leave attacking children and mothers to the GOP.

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Debate Abstinence Only
By Tonya Sep 1st 2008 at 1:40 pm EDT (Updated Sep 1st 2008 at 1:40 pm EDT)
The only relevance the pregnancy has in the debate is to deflate the abstinence only effectiveness that the Conservatives continue to advance.
  
Absolutely
By Tom Lauronen Sep 1st 2008 at 1:52 pm EDT (Updated Sep 1st 2008 at 1:52 pm EDT)
This is a private issue, it's got nothing to do with the race.

I only hope her daughter is doing fine, that everything works out and she was not in any way pressured into marriage with the father (who I hope takes this responsibly).

Now leave them alone.
  
There's plenty to attack Sarah Palin on
By Hollywood Sep 1st 2008 at 1:53 pm EDT (Updated Sep 1st 2008 at 1:53 pm EDT)
without mentioning her children, and I'd like to keep it at that.

As far as memory serves, she is the only presidential or vice presidential candidate in history who posed for the cameras brandishing an automatic weapon...in an enclosed space, no less.

Did you know she's pentecostal? (Actually, her church prefers the term "charismatic"). What amazed me is, when I looked it up, something like a quarter of all Protestants in this country are "charismatic" (faith healing, speaking in tongues, laying on of hands, falling on the floor are common practices). And they all believe in the Rapture. Now that is the scariest thing to me, potentially putting our nuclear arsenal in control of a person who looks forward to the apocalypse.

I don't know about you all, but that stuff creeps me out.

And then there are the policies - don't get me started again on the policies!
Re: There's plenty to attack Sarah Palin on
By Tonya Sep 1st 2008 at 3:51 pm EDT (Updated Sep 1st 2008 at 3:51 pm EDT)
Our focus should always be on the POOR POLICY positions.
Re: There's plenty to attack Sarah Palin on
By Piritlel Sep 2nd 2008 at 12:42 am EDT (Updated Sep 2nd 2008 at 12:42 am EDT)
She's not Pentecostal. Assemblies of God and parents were Catholic.
Re: There's plenty to attack Sarah Palin on
By Piritlel Sep 3rd 2008 at 3:46 am EDT (Updated Sep 3rd 2008 at 3:46 am EDT)
This became a very divisive post, and surprised it stays as long as it does, proves why many are here. Our party is killing itself. It's why the republicans accept this woman snowflake. We FOUGHT like little babies about Hillary and her luggage, nut craacking, husband tootin, garbage; and BO's drawing on racism and attacking others. But their convention is proud of their choice. They won that issue. Their party is going to be viewed as "together" "cohesive" and "serving one another"...while our party continues to argue over attack or not to attack the other side over every little detail. We're still whimps, to afraid to fire back. They certainly are controlling and firing at us. They are using Palin, don't you see. They want us to fire at them, they dare us and we still cower. lol We've stooped to new lows because we don't care if we lose once more. We stooped and we pooped.
  
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By illinoismel Sep 1st 2008 at 1:55 pm EDT (Updated Sep 1st 2008 at 1:55 pm EDT)
Sometimes life throws you a curve ball. Doesn't matter who you are, it depends on how you best handle the situation.
  
LOL
By Liz Sep 1st 2008 at 2:18 pm EDT (Updated Sep 1st 2008 at 2:18 pm EDT)
I guess I missed all the excitement this morning. I was out mowing my lawn (alas no servants).

I know I probably should not ask but 1. I didn't even know Palin had a teenage daughter and 2. is it true that she is pregnant? or is that just claptrap?

as far as the motherhood issue of that child being the parent of Palin's infant--if someone said that, it might be that they were asleep in second grade math when addition and subtraction were covered.
It must be true
By Hollywood Sep 1st 2008 at 2:57 pm EDT (Updated Sep 1st 2008 at 2:57 pm EDT)
It's all over the news.

I read that delegates to the convention were "shocked".

Does not being shocked when a 17-year-old girl gets pregnant make me hackneyed? There were even a few in my graduating class in the late 60s.
Re: LOL
By wantedfairness Sep 1st 2008 at 2:58 pm EDT (Updated Sep 1st 2008 at 2:58 pm EDT)
On the other hand, a parent who is capable of raising intelligent or well behaved children may be considered one you can look up to.
One whose children are a bit out of hand or falling into the wrong traps may be one who needs to direct their attention to dealing with their own problems before taking on those of others.


All I know is John Kerry's kids seemed ok
Chelsea Clinton is a bright woman who is capable today.

As for policies, Ms Palin seems to be on the wrong side of most issues or doesnt quite seem to get the issues.
After all you don't gain foreign policy insight by insisting that the number of miles between Alaska and another Continent are not that great!

You gain insight by studying the situation, by trying to understand the cultures, by understanding the different economies and relations amongst others.
Her response just seemed like that of a well beauty queen playing a role rather than someone to trust because they have wisdom to share.

As we are now in a grand mess, it would be nice to hear some wisdom from candidates.
More sad than laughable.
By Vidya Sep 1st 2008 at 11:43 pm EDT (Updated Sep 1st 2008 at 11:43 pm EDT)
It's just tacky.

Then again so much on this site is. I was really surprised when I first watched the blog here, for months I just read in amazement...I did not want to write anything. The personal attacks...wow...then I just decided to bite the bullet, it makes one lose respect for the site when people have no sense of boundary. That goes for censorship too.

Now.. where do you stand on all the censorship?
Re: More sad than laughable.
By Piritlel Sep 2nd 2008 at 12:55 am EDT (Updated Sep 2nd 2008 at 12:55 am EDT)
Are you inviting more policing??

Aren't we fast becoming a police state anyway? People here tell me to remove posts, or tell me not to talk about this or that. I stand for a right to speak. I refuse to contribute to breaking that down. I refuse to narc. I refuse to participate in pulling the plug. This isn't the Gulag.

Some people are concerned how and where this country is going. Sarah stands with the hypocrites that want to take sex-ed out of school and teach abstinence, Bristol had both (she attends school with my son). In her case, it spells attention getting and how our country needs to take responsibility of our children.
Re: LOL
By Piritlel Sep 2nd 2008 at 12:35 am EDT (Updated Sep 2nd 2008 at 12:35 am EDT)
Palin has 3 daughter (2 tweens and 1 younger).
Look at her gut, she's pregnant. She tried to hide the fact during the announcement. My son knows her, went to high school at Juneau Douglas high, she's usually a very thin girl. I blurted out that her waist was gone on the day Palin was announced. I investigated and she's wearing a tight gray sweater that reveals the tummy.

The story about Bristol giving birth during the last 5 months of school (using excuse she had mono) is most likely a fabrication. I've got pix of Sarah's pregnancy and the baby after wards, and posted the other day.
Her 17 y/o daughter is aparently 5 mos pregnant
By LucyB Sep 3rd 2008 at 5:56 am EDT (Updated Sep 3rd 2008 at 5:56 am EDT)
with her boyfriend Levi. They plan to get married and have the baby.

This kind of debunks the nonsense that Palin lied about her Downs syndrome baby being hers. There were accusations all over the blogs that it was her daughter's, but anyone who can add and subtract can figure out that's not so.

Then, there were accusations about what a terrible mother she was to go home to have her baby and take an 8-hour flight home after her water broke. Don't know if that one's true. But she was taking a breast pump with her on a trip after the baby was born. Can't imagine that would be something you'd pack for a business trip unless you needed it.

All this crap is disgusting. Why aren't we talking about the issues?
  
LOL
By Piritlel Sep 1st 2008 at 11:57 pm EDT (Updated Sep 1st 2008 at 11:57 pm EDT)
Kyra Philips from CNN is here in Alaska right now. She learned from people here that Bristol was out of school for 5 months with mono. She did have the baby blanket covering her stomach and she tends to this baby. I really don't believe this child is a down's syndrome either. They usually do a test on the umbilical cord AFTER the birth (a amnio is done, but risks of losing the child).

Also, it's been noted that this 44 year old woman didn't gain weight through her pregnancy and didn't appear pregnant.

I also learned a 30 year may be involved.

I don't like spreading information if it's not the truth, so don't shoot me, I'm only reporting what is being uncovered.

Also, McCain sent a group here to vet her today. Interesting, isn't it. So, it's happening before your eyes and people will want to shut this up.
Re: LOL
By Wendy ~Democrat For Life Sep 2nd 2008 at 12:14 am EDT (Updated Sep 2nd 2008 at 12:14 am EDT)
it's just getting too easy not to stoop ... I just heard on the news they never did a background check on her...how do you not do a background check on a woman that could be the POTUS. MY GOD I had so much on her within minutes of the announcement and people emailing me. All they had to do was Google.
Re: LOL
By Piritlel Sep 2nd 2008 at 12:37 am EDT (Updated Sep 2nd 2008 at 12:37 am EDT)
Exactly, BO was under microscope for 16 mo *using the internet, while Sarah is under for 2 days? McCain didn't use and doesn't know HOW to use the internet.
Re: LOL
By Gretchen Sep 2nd 2008 at 5:57 pm EDT (Updated Sep 2nd 2008 at 5:57 pm EDT)
Link

Read my post about her water breaking in Texas...
They can detect Downs syndrom in utero.
By LucyB Sep 3rd 2008 at 6:02 am EDT (Updated Sep 3rd 2008 at 6:02 am EDT)
And my best friend, God love her, is disgusting when she's pregnant. You can't tell from the back that she's pregnant -- she even has a waste line. With her second baby, she was nine months pregnant and looked about five months at the most. And two weeks later you couldn't tell she'd been pregnant.

I, on the other hand, looked like a beached whale from the time I was about 4-1/2 months. And still looked pregnant two MONTHS after I had given birth.

Life is just not fair!
  
Re: More sad than laughable.
By Piritlel Sep 2nd 2008 at 11:20 pm EDT (Updated Sep 2nd 2008 at 11:20 pm EDT)
So, Sandi, are you telling me to shut up? LOL. Freedom of Speech. People who complain here are trying to errode and chip away at it. If I were on board with Vidya, YOU'D be the first to go.
  
Your conclusions
By Sue Sue's Straight Talk Express Sep 2nd 2008 at 4:49 pm EDT (Updated Sep 2nd 2008 at 4:49 pm EDT)
Your conclusions are not exactly accurate. I made a post simply announcing the story. You subsequently posted that I was attacking a kid. I was not. I simply announced that the child was pregnant. I did not even make any further comments in the post and yet you still interpreted it as me attacking a kid.

This seems to be a sensitive subject for you and perhaps you are misinterpreting people's posts. I know I was a little put off about your assertions.
You brought it up. That wasn't necessary.
By LucyB Sep 3rd 2008 at 8:57 am EDT (Updated Sep 3rd 2008 at 8:57 am EDT)
It's disingenuous to act as if you have clean hands when you repeat an irrelevant story for the purpose of perpetuating the damage. It's like someone saying their innocent of gossiping just because they only repeated the rumor instead of making it all up. The net result is the same.

You guys need to leave EVERY candidate's kids alone. If you do it to her kids, they will do it to Michelle's kids with the justification that you started it.
  
Re: More sad than laughable.
By Gretchen Sep 2nd 2008 at 5:55 pm EDT (Updated Sep 2nd 2008 at 5:55 pm EDT)
I also think the 100 emails I got from Repuslicans saying Obama is a Muslim and a terrorist is even more deplorable because they are UNTRUE--

That said I think EVERYONE needs to LEAVE Sarah's daughter ALONE!!! As a health care provider I know what stress can do to a pregnancy!!! The more stress she is under the chances that she has complications goes up... LEAVE HER ALONE!!!
Re: More sad than laughable.
By Piritlel Sep 3rd 2008 at 4:02 am EDT (Updated Sep 3rd 2008 at 4:02 am EDT)
Didn't Sarah say her daughter is 5 MONTHS EXPECTING? Bristol probably would gain, it's
getting nourishment to a fetus that's developing.
Why is that bad? You want her to be anorexic?
If someone said she didn't have Down's syndrome, why don't you prove it has? Maybe people have seen this child close up? Maybe people have pix? Prove with hospital records who's child it is to prove anyone you deem wrong. It's all a fabrication. Sarah lied, no one had a baby and no one is pregnant, there. Happy? Instead of gripping, go research.

When women comment, it's what they're reporting that the media vetted. Do a fact check or go away if you don't like it. If you don't like it, it's simple, you're a republican from Austin TX.
  
Thank you, Anne.
By LucyB Sep 3rd 2008 at 3:30 am EDT (Updated Sep 3rd 2008 at 3:30 am EDT)
This is my first night on this blog. (I just got a computer for myself a couple of days ago.)

I was very disappointed to see Democrats stooping to the kind of low stuff that Karl Rove and Bush and the Republicans did. That's not the way we roll as Democrats.

I say leave all the candidate's children alone.

Let's talk about healthcare, choice, energy, the economy -- all the things I'm worried about now. And, most of all, how in the hell am I going to send my kids to college next year?