Let's not repeat the Bush/Gore election with our nomination
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I have been hearing a lot about "super delegates" lately. I have also noticed that even though Barack Obama has one more primaries than Hillary Clinton that many of the major news agencies still give her a higher delegate count than Obama mostly due to these "super delegates".

If Barack Obama wins the popular vote in the primaries and then the nomination is given to Hillary because of the "super delegates" we may find ourselves in a losing position come November. I know that I for one will be extremely disappointed in our party if this happens. It will look too much like what happened to Al Gore in 2000. If Hillary wins the popular vote and takes the nomination I will vote for her, but if she loses the popular vote and gets the nomination because of the super delegates, I'll vote for someone else and I would be willing to bet that many other Democrats will do the same. Let's not let that happen.

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Wont happen
By Adam Feb 11th 2008 at 9:54 am EST
The supers can move back and forth. If Obama wins the popular vote there is no way they will sway to Hillary to provide a different result. It would be undemocratic and practically throwing the election to McCain.

William J Meyers for House 2008
  
supers beware
By samotten Feb 11th 2008 at 9:59 am EST
And if the super delegates go against the popular vote, not only will people vote for someone other than Hillary (like Timothy) but people will leave the Democratic party (like Donna Brazile and perhaps myself).

Let's hope it doesn't come to that...either Hillary wins the pledged delegates or Obama carries it straight-up.
Re: supers beware
By Karen Davis Feb 11th 2008 at 10:22 am EST
I agree that the superdelegates will not dare throw the voices of the people into doubt, no matter how narrow the result. I do think they can bring their candidates into line, though. I think that these two are more synergistic than most of their supporters think they are!

The smart thing to do to make sure we win the White House is for them to run together, and take all the enthusiasm for a progressive agenda with them. If they really are oil and water, then they can split the ticket after they win.

If there is even a hint that something will derail the democratic bid for the White House, then the Superdelegates are there to do their very best to make sure that doesn't happen.

Just my opinion.
  
More than good looks!
By Big Steve777 Feb 11th 2008 at 10:31 am EST
We need more than just a handsome lad smiling for the camera.We need substance over superficiality.Someone who knows the issues in depth. All arguments of each issue & can make an informed decision on the issue.
Yes, he's good-looking & can even speak well, but
so could Hitler!
Re: More than good looks!
By Jon P Feb 11th 2008 at 11:12 am EST
that's a dumb analogy...
Re: More than good looks!
By Timothy Erfourth Feb 11th 2008 at 12:43 pm EST
Barack Obama is more than just good looks. I learned about him early on and liked what I saw.

What's Hillary Clinton but a recognizable name? She had her way cleared for her by Democratic insiders for her senate seat in NY just to prepare her for the run for President. They have been setting this up since before Bill left office.
Re: More than good looks!
By Jon P Feb 11th 2008 at 1:23 pm EST
I wouldn't associate Obama with "good looks'.

His face is like an old shoe, probably from years of smoking.
Re: More than good looks!
By Hollywood Feb 11th 2008 at 2:26 pm EST
Are you kidding? I wish I looked that good at 46! He looks at least 10 years younger than he is.
Re: More than good looks!
By D. Tree Feb 11th 2008 at 3:28 pm EST
Okaaaay, good to see Clinton supporters focusing on "substantive" analysis. You guys would do a lot better for your candidate if you spent time on the "substance" you revere so much instead of commenting on Barack's good looks and comparing him to Hitler.

(OMG, i can't believe someone was desperate enough to bring hitler up... and we thought the GOP was going to get nasty, oh well)
  
Super delegates - The reason this Democrat will vote for McCain and against every incumbent Democrat
By Democrat in Hayward, WI Feb 11th 2008 at 11:12 am EST
The popular vote is going for Obama yet the Democratic insiders are pledging their Superdelgates to Clinton by a 2:1 margin (224:135). These are our Democratic leaders? The same ones who say the Democrat party is by the people for the people. The same ones that say that the Bush administration is ignoring the popular will. My vote is the last real voice and now the Democratic leaders want to say my vote doesn’t even matter, that they know what’s best. If the democratic super delegates do not follow the popular vote I hold the party leadership responsible and every democratic Super delegates responsible. If the Democratic party is telling me that the popular doesn’t count in the primary, then I’m voting Republican.

I’m looking at Virginia, the District of Columbia and Maryland where the primaries have not yet been held and the Super delegates have already cast overwhelmingly for Clinton. Looks to me like “Washington insider†politics as usual, however this time it isn’t the Bush Administration, it’s the Democratic party!
Re: Super delegates - The reason this Democrat will vote for McCain and against every incumbent Democrat
By Jon P Feb 11th 2008 at 11:14 am EST
Surprise! Your popular vote is just that, a popularity contest vote.

"Democracy is too important to leave up to the votes of the people." -Henry Kissinger ...
be mindful of who you quote
By D. Tree Feb 11th 2008 at 3:31 pm EST
like anyone respects Henry Kissinger to talk about democracy - according to him we might as well have a dictatorship.

and let's not stick our noses up at the american voter too much: since when has presidential politics been about anything other than "popularity?"

Folks, its well documented: the American public votes their gut when they vote for president (recognize this and we might actually have a Dem win the presidency for once!)
  
Let's not repeat the Bush/Gore election with our nomination
By Jon P Feb 11th 2008 at 11:17 am EST
Too late...

The media has decided who will be the candidates for the Dems and the SuperDelegates will decide if they like it.

You have no say in the matter. Your vote is only for a popularity contest. A "feel good" gesture.
  
If they go the other way
By Moses Feb 11th 2008 at 11:21 am EST
The rules are simple. Super delegates get to vote however they want, and they can change their minds anytime they want. If they go against the expressed desires of their state, I would think they risk their seats the next time around, but only if they are already elected officials. Many of the super delegates are just party hacks and regulars and hold no duty to the people.

If super delegates vote for one or the other, that's the way it goes.
Re: If they go the other way
By Democrat in Hayward, WI Feb 11th 2008 at 11:33 am EST
If they are just "party hacks" then who picks the super delegates. We're they chosen by out last Democratic president?

The popular vote is too precious to say that's the way it goes. BTW didn't they just hold an election in Russia where the leading nominee was decided by the party regulars.
Re: If they go the other way
By Moses Feb 11th 2008 at 1:51 pm EST
Don't know who appoints them, but it's probably the local party officials.
Re: If they go the other way
By Jon P Feb 11th 2008 at 12:20 pm EST
"that's the way it goes."

LOL - spoken like a true sheep-head.
Re: If they go the other way
By Moses Feb 11th 2008 at 1:54 pm EST
No sheepshead is a card game. A sheep head is someone who will blindly follow the party line and vote for whoever the party nominates. What I am saying is that I am merely accepting the rules as the party has put them out right now. So if the super delegates vote the way they want, then so be it. Same thing with the Florida and Michigan delegates. The party rules allow for not seating them. Then so be it.
  
Currently, Obama has 62 more pledged delegates
By Hollywood Feb 11th 2008 at 2:24 pm EST
than Hillary. I am pretty certain that number will at least double after tomorrow.