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Re: We need to get out of Iraq.

I fully agree Oplis Sloan, the congress just plain needs to refuse to refund another cent for the Iraq "OCCUPATION."

This is the number one priority that should be being discussed in this blog and our concerns sent enmass to the congress, and followed up in close second place with securing this nation's borders and coastlines before another terrorist group succeeds in another attack and it may be already too late for that!

If the congress (screw bush) can be absolutely convinced that these are the top two priorities that the voters demand to be resolved, with emphasis being that a continued NO RESPONSE-NO ACTION venue by the congress will see them all unseated....we just might actually see something positive and mutually beneficial for all get done.

But unfortunately, and the posts and replies Democrats and ultra liberals in this blog state it clearly, is that for the most part the Democrats and ultra liberals that post and reply here aren't even on the same page with each other, much less have close to the same sets of priorities on issues that are the most important critical issues facing this nation as a whole.

And keep in mind, I didn't write your posts and replies, you guys did...go back and read em.

This is my position on it and I stick to it.

Reader Comments
  
? What are you saying?
By Liz Nov 10th 2007 at 10:36 am EST
Staunch, I'm not sure what you are referring to here. I agree with you in some aspects. I do think that Iraq is number one issue and that after that we have healthcare and after that border security. (But being a democrat to me means that we allow all people the chance to say what they want and to agree or disagree without condemnation of that person. (public figures are up for grabs)

RE border security. While I am most definitely on the side of we will take the tired, hungry etc. and I love and respect our Mexican citizens.

I do think that something needs to be done about our borders. It's easy for people who don't leave near the border to have their viewpoints, but it's really another matter if you live in one of the border towns. The situation is quite horrible, for example in the Texas town of Laredo. Check it out.

I don't have any anwers. and I certainly don't support paying Boeing billions to construct an electronic fence that leaves over 700 miles open along the Rio Grande.
Re: ? What are you saying?
By Liz Nov 10th 2007 at 10:48 am EST
if you are referencing Stephen's article on free trade I will defend that, at least from my viewpoint. Issues with free trade agreements ARE a HUGE (or should be) with folks who are interested in restoring democracy.

All evidence in their regard over the past seven years under the rule of Cowboy George points to the fact that Free Trade does not benefit workers--American workers or other workers of the world. To me, free trade equals Neocon bully tactics.

In Peru, the greatest risk of the free trade agreement centers on its development impact. A nation with high poverty and inequality, Peru still faces major challenges in consolidating its economy and democratic institutions. The projected negative impact on employment-generating small and medium industries and the loss of development policy tools have sparked grave concern about the political and economic effects of the agreement. Peru’s indigenous peoples warn that the treaty will lead to violation of indigenous rights and pillaging of natural resources.

In Panama, labor and farm groups have also protested the FTA. For months the agreement was held up by sovereignty issues surrounding the U.S. demand to adopt U.S. meat inspection standards, which Panama later conceded after the minister of agriculture resigned in anger at the U.S. position. Panamanians also object to the projected influx of U.S. construction firms as the $5.2 billion dollar canal expansion begins, calling it “giving back the canal to the Americans.†Panama’s successful management of the Canal Zone is among the greatest sources of national pride.

Even in Colombia, a staunch U.S. ally in Latin America, opposition to the FTA has run high. Over 2,000 labor activists have been assassinated in the country since 1990, and the agreement adds no effective protections while at the same time encouraging further gouging into workers’ rights. A Colombian health negotiator also resigned in protest, this time due to U.S. insistence on restrictive pharmaceutical patents that would affect access to medicines.
Re: ? What are you saying? For Liz
By One staunch Independent Voter Nov 10th 2007 at 11:05 am EST
that said: Staunch, I'm not sure what you are referring to here.


Madam you are never sure of anything reasonable it seems.

But I do thank you for agreeing that Iraq is the number one priority.

But if you look at the facts in hand, if our borders and shores are left wide open as they are today...JUST HOW DAMNED LONG DO YOU THINK THERE WILL BE A UNITED STATES OF AMERICAN AS WE STILL KNOW IT TODAY?!

Your type of cuties call me a racist for my position on illegal aliens when you don't a damned thing about me like the fact that I have cousins by marriage and blood first cousins that are anglo/mexican and a wife, that is full blooded Mexican, all of them native botn U S Citizens THAT FEEL THE SAME DAMNED WAY I DO ABOUT ANY AND ALL PEOPLE FROM ANY NATION AND ETHIC BACKGROUND ILLEGALLY HERE IN THIS NATION! Your profession to love and respect Mexicans is popular but other than that its hollow hogwash.

Laredo? Horrible?...lady you ought get out of your WASP gated community and to come to Atlington Texas and out into the real world...the illegal alien problems are just about as bad in one place here in Texas, the only state I can speak for, than any other place.

My Mexican wife and kinfolks are also of like mind that we the U S Citzens did not create illegal aliens home nation problems that compell them to flee to the U S, no matter which nation they originate from and that U S Citizens should not be held responsible or asked to be their soul providers of anything including jobs and their big brother protectors.

So feel free to let your heart bleed for the entire world and have your pipe dreams that our nation can be THE big brother panacea that can cure all ills, that is your privilage....but don't even dare to ask me and mine to join you or chastise us for our positions which we are just as privilaged to have as you are!
  
Iraq is THE issue
By Independent from Hartwell, Georgia Nov 10th 2007 at 10:58 am EST
Of course, getting out of Iraq is THE issue.

The Republican Party will not address this issue honestly. They would have to confront their failure as a Party to do so. The fact that they got us into this war in the first place, and allowed it to contiune, and continue to support it. They won't address those issues.

But, the same is apparently true of the Democratic Party.

That's why we continue to talk around the issue. That's why the Republicans continue to push for war and more war, and the Democrats continue to equivocate and dissemble, blame and whine.

Iraq is THE issue. Neither Party will address it honestly. Both Parties are complicit in their intellectual dishonesty.
Re: Iraq is THE issue for Dem in Hartwell
By One staunch Independent Voter Nov 10th 2007 at 11:08 am EST
Considering that the Democratic majority congress just put up another 50 billion for the next six month of the Iraqi Occupation, its no longer a war...I agree with you completely.
Re: Iraq is THE issue for Dem in Hartwell
By Independent from Hartwell, Georgia Nov 10th 2007 at 11:23 am EST
And I agree with you. Even putting aside Constitutional and legal issues, if you look at the Congressional authorization for the invasion of Iraq, for the Iraq war, we have "won" the war. Occupation was never authorized.

This is a war of occupation. Characterizing it as a war against terrorism is specious and spurious.

The war of occupation needs to be stopped!

That's THE issue, closely followed by border security and homeland security.

I agree.
Re: Iraq is THE issue for Dem in Hartwell
By One staunch Independent Voter Nov 10th 2007 at 11:58 am EST
You bet your boots Dem in Hartwell,

The war was over the moment the chief cretin in the white house stepped foot on the aircraft carrier, smirked his bes smirk and declared "Mission Accomplished!"

From that day to this day, its been an occupation.

Now our military is caught between three, actually four different factions...the Sunni's and Shite's, outside of country terrorists called insurgents, and dear ole Blackwater runniing around willy nilly uncontrolled, all four different groups stirring up battle up with no more thought or compassion than a kid sitting on summer days stiring up doodlebugs.
  
1,100,000 Iraqi civilians dead
By Michael Collins Nov 10th 2007 at 12:32 pm EST
They should be ashamed of themselves - particularly the demented who started this war and the intellectually and politically weak who support and enable it. Four thousand U.S. troops are dead, 10 times that many injured for live and 1.1 million Iraqi civilians are dead because of this illegal, immoral war.

What is the major malfunction of Congress? This is a war, only they have the power to declare war. yet they fund an illegal war. There was no direct threat to us from Iraq, none.

It's the first issue because it's the one that has to be removed to address all the others.

The one sure way to resolve it is to Impeach Bush and Cheney but our "leaders" (Hoyer, Pelosi) won't hear of it. I take this antidemocratic act on their part and indication that they agree with the war. I wouldn't be surprised if we find out someday, that they're in agreement on some level with the appalling plans for Iran.

New leadership for a new Democratic Party.
Re: 1,100,000 Iraqi civilians dead
By One staunch Independent Voter Nov 11th 2007 at 11:41 am EST
What is the major malfunction of Congress?


Simple deduction Mike...money...follow the money.
Re: 1,100,000 Iraqi civilians dead
By Long Legs Nov 18th 2007 at 7:40 am EST
The first thing that needs to be done is to impeach Cheney, watch "Thanks of a Greatful Nation"---Cheney was the Secretary of Defense at the time period this Docu-Drama was referring to. Then be careful what you wish for, if we replace Bush too quick the Republicans will get their foot in the door for the 2008 Election. In about two months would be the optimal time to start impeachment proceedings!!!