STOP The Racist Crap Now!!!!!
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It doesn't matter who did what or who let that woman at the hospital die you people are diminishing the death of a human being with your racial fighting now STOP IT!!! No one wants to read that garbage from anyone let the woman who died have some dignity and don't diminish her plight to aid your fight it's not worth it.
Please forgive me. I will watch my self.
Peace
She is her own worst enemy.
Stop offering more pillows and start having expectations from people who want respect and equality.
She made this a racial issue for some private personal agenda, as she does every issue in the world. It's twisted.
An American died today because of our healthcare system
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Re: Absolutely disgusting Reply
By Fem Indie Jul 1st 2008 at 4:29 pm EDT
"It made me die a little myself. I don't know what is happening anymore to people. I think this is a criminal case more than just being a reason to fire. This is should certainly merit a criminal penalty for those charged with caring for the patients."
Re: Absolutely disgusting Reply
By AnneK Jul 1st 2008 at 4:51 pm EDT
"Really? This video bothers you? Even though the victim is clearly a black person, who you often speak out about how much you dislike the black community in NYC? She might have even been plannig to support Obama.... shouldn't you be expressing how happy you are that she's no longer taking up space in your city? That seems more your normal speed."
Later FOS comes out with her attack because of the usual inability for the black community to be honest with itself.
Jen was right it was because of who she was in the room with that she died. Stop with the subterfuge it is bogus. You know this is the defining difference between blacks and whites... culture.
This wouldn't have happened had a "typical white person" been in the room it's that simple. Thank god for "typical whites" because we are doing the heavy lifting for the rest... I know I am.
Now I'm Racial SuperHero. Name needs a little more flare.... gotta work on coming up with a better name.
I simply expressed surprise that you cared what happened to the woman in the video, because it is WELL documented here by all your own blogs and comments that you dislike Black people.
It's good that you dont like what happened to her. I don't either.
Private personal agenda? Like what. The day you know anything about who I am as a person, and what my personal agenda is, will be a truly amazing day.
What happened had nothing to do with Race, Hospitals kill! Our system is so messed up and no one gets held accountable.
know whad'm sayin' bitch... So push off cause I'm no tryin ta hear'dat
I included that the reverse racism is disgusting and non-stop on this site from people like FOS and during the primary campaign.
Which is hardly the same as saying I don't like black people and you know that...but what ever. You need a cause, so run with it. Your word's are there on the page.
So push off cause I'm no tryin ta hear'dat
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By Fem Indie Yesterday at 3:39 pm EDT
I just read your rant and the only race hate is coming from black haters insulting whites....
And why are you insulting whites because you are humiliated at the crystal clear footage I and everyone else here in NY and the country saw of black living their way... the truth of black culture.
When a cop, a goes to ask about a murder witnessed by a whole neighborhood of people...what happens....you know...why don't you tell us all? When blacks live in a neighborhood what happens to the quality of life? Black don't give a damn about themselves or anyone and this is YOUR PROBLEM!
There is a very real problem with the black community and it isn't Jen nor me..... it is themselves, values and behaviors.
They bring and make their own problems everywhere they go. The culture is low. I am not intimidated by you and your thugs because the evidence is everywhere.
"no color DOES matter...
it defines the hospital, who works there, who goes there, and who is sitting in the waiting room and died...
you can CALL me a racist, but if I had seen that woman this white jewish girl would have RUN to her side, gotten help, called 911, or just carried her out on my own....
and that is the DAMN TRUTH!!"
I actually got into a cab, in great pain, and went into Manhattan to a proper hospital because I was concerned of the level care that would be given just by the receiving staffs behavior. I knew those people were not to be trusted...and I was only in my 20's and green but I knew better by the attitude what to expect.
Take it any way you'd like. Ghetto culture is what produce all those people who sat there and watched for a hour while a women dies on the floor at their feet. Link
Have a look...what do you think this would happen is the people were poor white American? I don't because it isn't the way I was bought up, it isn't in my culture to do this...it would NEVER have happened if I were there.... or those like me, NEVER!.
And I grew up very, very poor... money came later. This one of the major reason I have some kind of hope in my heart for this inane party.
So now you answer the question. Be honest and put it in writing please.
Are you saying black and indifference are mutually dependent?
I mean come on.
Enough with the sweeping generalizations now.
Enough with the judgmental attitude.
Enough with the name calling and insults (insane, blah, blah)
What on earth will the caustic flow of verbal bile do, but to erode the conduit of ideas. You have touched on some interesting perspectives, just avoid the negative while discussing them.
Personal experience counts for something, but is it from knowing everything, or everyone, black or any other race.
You know that, right?
Do you believe that all blacks act that way?
Do you believe that all whites are good?
Do you believe that any white person would automatically do the right thing?
That is what it sounded like. It sounded like white meant right.
That is what it sounded like to me.
What has happened to you?
Neither were you..at least I thought...we were were talking about the two black security gaurds....
You sound like you assume had they been white, they would have been right, done right, acted right...
That is how it sounded...are we clear yet?
"NOONE in that room getting off their demented asses including the workers to help a human being that we would have help without hesitation. "
All white people?
Is that who "we" is, all white people?
Just asking, not trying to upset you, just asking here..if that's OK.
Thanks for standing up for what is right, Vidya. That's why they hate me so much. I try to stick up for what I believe is right, and racism is wrong.
No you prefer to pretend that the scum allowing her to die have no responsibility as citizens and humans because they are black. Instead you spend great energy and vigor attacking me. You are a classic idiot and the more i see people like you the more I realize this is a team I don't want to belong to... you never grow up and deal with the real issues, you don't seem capable to do it.
Just like Bill voting for a "presumptive nominee" because they forced him by every low down unscrupulous means against the pop vote! That is logical to Bill. Hey they are fucking me over and propping up a man (who's never won an opposed election) so I guess I'd better vote for him. Alrighty then!
Did any black organization come out to speak about the heinous death of this woman? No they didn't perhaps they didn't see a payday in it for them so why bother.
I'm not going to insult you back, and I really dont have to prove the worth of my considerations to you.
The floor is all yours. If you believe that you have a point, and if you believe that you can back up that point without commiting too many logical errors, then do it here, and the rest of the blog can see who can make an argument, and who cannot.
I don't have a campaign. I'm not running for office.
It is just his thing, Anne, I don't think he separates Obama from his supporters, we just have to remember that when talking to him. That is just the way he is.
I know you try, but your temper gets the best of you sometimes, and that is a waste. You have so much good reasoning to offer, I hate to see you lose it.
Anne, the other thing I'd like to say is that it is quite apparent you call upon friends to attack those who confront you.
That is what little kids do Anne. Little kids gang up on those who confront them because they are not verbally or mentally skilled to stand as individuals. Having internets friends is not a license to use them to personally attack and insult others. That is not what truly supportive friends do, least not past the eighth grade.
If I can't try and talk sense to you when you lose your cool without being attacked and insulted by one of the childish and twisted I could go back to ignoring you if you would prefer, but it would be preferable to treat you like an adult and continue to hope for the best.
Try addressing those who confront you confront you directly and see past the insults. When Damien was critical of me on your 'Who we are post", the yoga slam, and other insults were uncalled for and of topic. That kind of behavior does more harm to the democrats than good. With friends like that the democrats don't need enemies, because those kind of personally insulting remarks reflects poorly on all the rest of us.
We do not need any more division, insults or negativity. We need patience, understanding, awareness, and compassion. Stand on your own two feet Anne, pass on the platter of phlegm, if it makes you feel better, call it that when it is offer. "No, thanks, I think I'll pass on that plate of phlegm" or crap or whatever, the point is pass Anne, do not eat it up.
I give some kudos to Arius, lately he seems to be gaining some self-awarenss of how to avoid sounding pompus, at the very least, though I have not seen anything written by him in the last few days. lol
Best to you sweetie, catch ya later.
Mostly the only calling that has been done is that TB has called me in a couple of times when FoS has been on his case and I have tried to reason, and maybe once or twice lost my temper.
I don't lose it often, but I got tired of holding it in ALL the time, and I promise, Kristine, for about a year before you got here I DID hold it in all the time... when other people like TB and Jackie can say whatever they want and it's okay with everyone. I'm just as human as they are, and if I get sick of this place and blow a gasket every now and then before I manage to turn off the computer, I shouldn't be judged any more harshly.
On the other hand, I DO come down pretty hard on myself when I do that - so I try really hard not to do it.
I'll give you all the rest, because I notice that team Clinton is turning on you now - which is COMPLETELY INSANE. Just a couple of months ago you were accusing all us Edwards supporters who now support Obama (like you now support him) of - what was it you said we were swallowing? I forget... Anyway, that they are turning against you now is really, really brainless of them and unfair to you.
As for my friends - it might help if you didnt call us names. Childish and Twisted? You're smarter than that. The name - as I have explained - is Cruel and Illogical Twits. or CIT. Or just Twits. call them twits if you want to call them something. But changing it to suit your own theme and insult them isn't going to help. I'm not mad, I'm just sayin. That won't help. I can't tell you how often I have wanted to start calling the Light Brigade by a different name - but I have NEVER done it - and never will. Because it wouldnt help.
I have no control at all over what my friends may or may not say. They aren't my minions, they are just my friends. They don't have to do what I say, and we dont always agree with each other. So deal with me just for me.
You have lost it often often enough in the past Anne, but I commend you for turning over a new leaf. Please realize, it may take some time for others to accept and acknowledge change in you, as they may still be reactive to the past insults you have hurled.
I know it is hard Anne, but it gets easier and easier. I am not judging you sweetie, you know that, am only trying to make things easier, and be an honest help. Clearly you know it's wrong, and clear you are not proud of it when you see any of your friends engage in attacks.
Dear one,
Please stop. They are not brainless, nor are they acting that way.
They are hurt, lost, and disappointed. I understand that, and my heart goes out to them.
Yes the group I call childish and twisted, you prefer illogical idiots or twits or whatever? LOL Come on, Anne, surely you jest? You have to laugh at that one sweetie, I mean come on really, laught with me, at least about that. LOL
Yes, dear one, I know the whole the story, but somehow, somewhere along the lines, the valiant history has manifested into the self righteous, and judgmental, not that you guys can't turn that around. You know I think you're all cute. You must know that or I would ignore all of you. No one thinks they are your anything, that does not make them any less misguided when they behave badly on your behalf or vise versa.
I usually end up having to deal with a group of you at a time, so it is always a luxury to have you all to myself. Would you like a cup of tea? Let's walk into my garden, the lilies are in full bloom and their colors are spectacular this year!
Catch ya later, hon.
That was probably a wise choice on your part. You sensed that you would not receive good care, and you went somewhere where you felt more trust. I can totally understand that, and I have walked out of situations like that with my children.
But I never saw it as a color issue. To be honest, the hospital I walked out of was staffed entirely by white people, as far as I could see.
What is it about being Black in the Ghetto that you think causes this level of apathy? Maybe it's hopelessness? If it is a Black community problem, how do you explain it?
good luck
Your comment to me was what is known as "argumentum ad hominem" Here's the definition:
Argumentum ad Hominem (abusive and circumstantial): the fallacy of attacking the character or circumstances of an individual who is advancing a statement or an argument instead of trying to disprove the truth of the statement or the soundness of the argument. Often the argument is characterized simply as a personal attack.
The personal attack is also often termed an "ad personem argument": the statement or argument at issue is dropped from consideration or is ignored, and the locutor's character or circumstances are used to influence opinion.
The fallacy draws its appeal from the technique of "getting personal." The assumption is that what the locutor is saying is entirely or partially dictated by his character or special circumstances and so should be disregarded.
Now. I am not angry, and I am not attacking or insulting. I'm listening. I want to know if you can stand behind your point.
You know I read you comment and I will answer sincerely... because the answer is really the Whole Point!
I don't blame this on poverty, hopelessness etc... I and so many people everywhere have lived with those deep pains.
The very poor quality values of ghetto culture are the culprits here. They are the sole responsibility of mother and father.
The Jews where loathed through out the world. They were and ARE on PB openly discriminated against and often stand out as physically "identifiable" in a crowd. My husband great grand father living in Russia was murdered by a Cossack on horse back who ripped the beard from his face as he left the Synagogue where he was a Rabbi. He slowly bled to death.
THe family left with nothing and made their fortune from a hand push cart beginning. One generation later wealth, 2 generations later 2 daughters with masters degrees from Columbia, 3 generations later a surgeon who went into real estate and on to work with Donald Trump and build his own company. That my dear is the difference between two minority and poor people the cultures.
Another blogger here who was black and educated tried to tell me about the politcal genius that is Chuck D. I wonder if he found the equal genius in the likes of Leon Fuerth or Madeline Albright (yes shes Jewish). And could you find people from this growing number of people who revolve their lives around ghetto culture who can fill the shoes of the people lading the country now. Many of whom were very poor and disenfranchised but benefitted from a healthy and ethical culture. Only black America can change this problem by expecting better from themselves.
Do you get my point because it is a precious one for America.
Lemme address the Jewish discrimination first.
That's a hard one. I have seen you and maybe Jenni, - I really forget if it was one or both of you - mentioning in the last few days that some moron called you "jewsy" or something to that effect. I think I commented that it should be reported to Mike Link, and I believe that I did see someone write a comment about it to Link. I don't remember who the original moron who said that was, but that's completely unacceptable.
I have no Jewish blood myself, but my ex had a Jewish grandmother, and so my son has a Jewish great grandmother. In Nazi Germany standards, my son (blonde hair and blue eyes) would be made to wear a Star of David, so trust me that you have my full attention on this. Obviously, the Jews have been the targets of the worst discrimination and terror in the history of this planet. How we deal with all racism in the 21st century is in some measure defined by the lessons we learned from the holocaust. The very existence of someone openly writing antisemitic crap on this blog is horrific, and also a testament to the strong antisemitic feelings that still run like some poisoned undercurrent in society. Yes. It exists. Yes, it's real, and Yes, we have to notice it and never forget that it's there, unless we want to be repeating history.
Okay, next: Family values and the ghetto community. You're right.
Values, compassion, morals, and human decency have to be taught in the home by family or extended family - parents, grandparents, aunts uncles, etc. If it isn't taught there, it will not be taught anywhere. That there is such a trend of kids in the ghetto growing up with single mothers does not help.
I will not argue against any part of that point that you have made.
What I will do, then, is ask this: What would be the best way to encourage this community to change things for themselves? I always come back to education as the baseline of my hope for the future. If education is free, and available, and maybe there were even some incentives to get kids to stay in school, then eventually an educated young person sees that there are a whole range CHOICES and options in life that are available - whereas a young person with no education sees no real choices. So, my thinking is that education has to be pushed and pushed and pushed until the people who presently have no real options in life decide to pursue education and see what's out there. No, we cannot do it for them. But also standing by and not TRYING to do something helpful is no good.
What fabulously thoughtful discourse!
Interestingly the Norwegians, all wanted to wear stars, they made their own and pinned them to their cloths in a show of solidarity. No one country fought harder to prevent Hitler from taking over than the Norwegians, if it wasn't for Norway things would be quite different now.
Great book Link
Quick history, though normally do not use Wicki, but this is accurate...
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They were on ski's, packing rifles and explosives, and sometimes packing their skies too, because they had to climb some pretty steep high mountain cliffs to go unnoticed.
The point is Jen and Fem, I know where you are coming from and agree getto culture sucks, in all races, because getto culture exists in all races. Like wise all races have better culture too.
Right? Right.
I only ask that you are more careful in your statements so that you do not get misunderstood. The statements you made which I quoted are prime example of misleading generalizations. I have liked much of what you have said in the past and hope in the future you are a bit more careful. Race is a very sensitive issue, as you know, and it is very easy to cause misunderstandings, so it is even more important to address the issue with a higher degree of sensitivity.
As for ghetto culture, it just occurred to me that I dropped the h off of it in my last comment, oops....as for ghetto culture it boils down to education. That is all. Education by care givers, who not properly educated, by parents, by teacher, by the community.
Not all poor people are ghetto. Some who have little money and prize education have much less struggle, and generally speaking the jewish community has always overcome adversity, because of that one pearl of wisdom, education is prioritized.
EDUCATION is priceless.
Sorry.
Example: Michelle Obama was give a free education in Ivy League schools. She wrote a senior thesis proposing separatism in education. I read the whole thing...I came here with an open mind.
That was the biggest slap in the face she could find to throw back at Princeton. To me she's a malicious soul that I would turn my back on. Neither would I trust her friend Mrs. Farrakhan they are peas in a pod. To her I'm an adversary to her, there is no doubt. She doesn't like anything about whites and I'd have to be a fool to be on her side... I wouldn't be respecting myself.
And the upshot is ... the vast majority of her black Princeton educated peers strongly disagreed with her thesis and felt she was far off the track. She had to concede that her thesis couldn't be supported. So this is the woman behind the man. She raised her children in full view of spitting raging cursing racist and anti-American pastors...yet you all say nothing.
The much admired mentor of Obama is a raging racist and so on ... Yet you all haven't spoken out at this (in my book) very serious lapse in character that is deep and wrong and the essence of these two people.
The Obama's don't like white people and don't trust people who aren't who they chose to identify with themselves and don't want to be included in America as a whole.
Push away the clutter and examine the bare bones and that is what is driving the Obamas.
I'm clear that they do not have my best interests in mind and they are bigots who will hold their noses and get to the prize by any means necessary even if it means patting Hillary's shoulder in public like they are best friends.....
I do not trust this type of man. I know and read people well.
It would be very hard to get over the past, my relatives enslaved, killed, butchered, hanged, raped, enslaved. My heart goes out them, I am in no position to judge, look at me, I have been given every advantage conceivable, I have no idea the magnitude of pain, she or any other black person has had to deal with. I never lose sight of that in my mind.
She is a better mother because of her education.
You can take that to the bank.
Those women have the right to be bitter to the point of losing the will to live. Michelle was blessed, she grew up in a 2 parent family that loved her and supported her.... So please enough with the 300 year trip to explain a miserable spoiled bitch who is just small, mean and wrong. This bending over backward does just one thing.... puts you in the right position to get f*cked....know what I mean.
Anyone... white or black would have been delighted to have Michelle's opportunities and outrageous benefits... the just has the rant down and know nice "typical white" folks will bend over.
So don't do that! That the only way to get respect.
Glad to know Jake would have passed. Still doesn't change the fact that Antisemitism is dangerous. EQUALLY dangerous is anti-African racism. No different, it's exactly the same.
Hey Vidya: this is for you - my stepdad used to say it:
Ten thousand swedes ran through the weeds - chased by one Norwegian.
Just separating music for an examination... The most powerful global music used to be reggae... which was political and powerful but based from positivity and love and music always has been for mankind. The message of this
I know you know that, because you know the difference between what goes on in your house how that contrasts with what goes on elsewhere.
And because WE all have also lost our compass in tandem and partially as a result of the influence of what's going on in the lower rungs of black society or in gangster culture.
Is that what you see?
Is there a white community too?
Would not be interested in being a part of it, if such a thing existed, thankfully am quite certain, it does not.
I know you are not racist, I just wish you would stop sounding like one.
Please consider your phrasing more carefully, and become aware of the sensitive issues of which you speak. You have made some rather insensitive comments that you seem to be unaware of.
Still the wording needs to be evaluated with more sensitivity and I expect the thought process in general does too.
Sincerity and honesty is the solution and I won't censor myself to suit anyone because I have no reason to do that.
My intentions are very good and I am an enemy to the degradation of the country... We need to bond together not split in to race groups. Being real is good... It deserves respect.