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Wow, that split screen told an entire story all by itself in the debate last night. I mean Obama was cool, collected, precise with his points and McCain just seemed to ramble on and not even understand what the questions pertained to (someone forgot to give him the ginko before the debate). Aside from the body language, Obama had a counter to every point and lie that McCain tried to pull and made sure that his voice was result and correct. Just watching that debate makes me believe that Obama could tackle anything with a cool, and collect attitude that would serve this country a lot better than the hot-headed McCain. Not that I need convincing of that, but neither did Joe Plumber...check out below :)






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it is almost comical watching John McCain try to work his way through this debate, I understand why Obama keeps laughing it is pathetic to see McCain struggle like this to try to keep his political life alive. I was an early Clinton supporter and it took a while to warm up to Obama but he has really shined tonight and done our party proud, I look forward to his leadership.
The political dam is about to break. There will be a flood of voters to the Democratic Party and its presumptive President Barrack Obama! Immediately after tonites debate the undecided will leave that status as their minds snap shut in support of Obama. Tonites contrast will be all that is wrong with Washington contrasted with all that is right with America. McCain vs Obama. The Republican big moneyed or evangelical homesteads will flood with no bail out in sight, no October surprise, no Palinific retort can save McCain or his base. McCain is now the man and republicans the political party that .....nobody can trust. ..... Trust!..... Heck gosh darn we here on the mainland just do not understand these complicated issues, bail out, 2 wars, job loss, gas more precious than Jim Beam. What we do know is how to look another human being in the eye listen to what they say and make an instinctive decision on whether we can trust the speaker. Trust. We do not trust John McCain with our future. Barrack Obama we trust. So fellow democrats and our new friends the no longer undecided, sit back and watch the debate tonite, That noise you will hear and feel is the rumble of deciding voters and the collapse of a once major political party. It will be the greatest show on Earth. I�ll bring the popcorn.
Terry Bankert
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Poll numbers indicate that the Obama/Biden campaign has handily won its third of four presidential and vice-presidential debates. A CNN/Research Corporation poll showed 54% of viewers thought Obama performed better in the debate while 30% thought McCain performed better, up significantly in CNN polling from Obama's 51% to 38% win over McCain in the first presidential debate Sept. 26. Meanwhile, a CBS News poll of uncommitted voters shows Obama won 40% to McCain's 26% with 34% saying the debate was a draw, a similar result to the Sept. 26 CBS poll (Obama 39%, McCain 24%). A Media Curves poll shows independent voters favoring Obama in the debate 52% to 34%, down somewhat from the Sept. 26 Media Curves poll (Obama 61%, McCain 39%) but still a sizeable lead for Obama. As the Huffington Post reports, state focus groups by NBC News in Pennsylvania, Survey USA in Washington, and Greenberg Quinlan Rosner in Nevada likewise broke decisively for Obama (PA 60%-40%, WA 54%-29%, NV 38%-30%). Even a Fox News focus group showed a clear majority of raised hands for Obama, a result that reporters at Fox seemed to have a little trouble processing. With three debates down and only one to go as Election Day rapidly approaches, it would seem that McCain's hopes for a "game changer" are growing dim indeed.


Mark C. Eades
http://www.mceades.com
BENEATH THE SPIN • ERIC L. WATTREE

A Footnote to Posterity

As I watched the second presidential debate between Barack Obama and John McCain, my mind drifted off to when I once watched a Space Shuttle landing. All the drama of the mission was over, and the space walk had been completed successfully. Now all that was left to complete a perfect mission, was to bring the bird in for a landing.

As the shuttle grew larger over the horizon, I remember being overwhelmed with pride over this marvel of engineering, and for the thousands of ordinary people who had come together to accomplish its mission. Then as we continued to look out over the horizon, the sound of unabridged competence suddenly crackled forth as the commander of this magnificent vessel spoke to ground control: “Landing gear down, and all systems online. Glide path and descent, five by five.” Then after several seconds of awestruck silence, and as we watched the majestic bird descend, the commander’s voice chimed in once again, with that matter-of-fact tone, as though he was pulling his car into the driveway. “Thirty seconds to touchdown.”

As impressed as I was over the feat of engineering that went into the space shuttle and its mission, I found myself even more fascinated by what must have gone into building the kind of man with the competence, intelligence, and cool professionalism that could command such a vessel--and I had that very same feeling as I watched the cool professionalism of Barack Obama’s performance last night. I felt privileged to bear witness, to the very best this nation has to offer.   Read More »
Last night's debate showed the world why Sen. Obama should and will be the next president of the United States. Sen Obama, a man they said was a weak debater, showed that not only is he a strong debater but that he has the depth and the knowledge to understand complex matters thoroughly. Sen. McCain looked weak and disillusioned by his own campaign tactics. I loved it when Sen. Obama slammed him on "bomb bomb bomb Iran" comment. I also loved it when he said "I don't understand..." that was just classic.

Go Sen. Obama Go!
The second debate was sensational. I watched 1:30 hours of the debate and have since then watched multiple hours of analysis (not much in there though). Barack Obama was in top form in this one. To be honest I was a little disappointed after the fist debate where I thought Obama played it too easy (I'd say played it too respectfully). But during this one he was awesome. The clarity of ideas and expressions was awe-inspiring. To see such an intelligent Leader in the race is really invigorating. I really hope Barack Obama wins. Without any doubt he is the future America needs.
Corporations have made major mistakes, and rather than admitting to it when the signs were first noticeable, they tried splitting up the risks into securities to slow down the possibility someone will notice so they can continue to sell their stock options and increase their wealth by Millions.. (Lehman Bros. CEO received over $400 Million over 10 years.)

Do you know that Paulson made over $36,000,000 annually as his normal salary? Now... Why in the world would any logical person decide to leave Goldman Sachs making that kind of money? He could have easily suggested someone who could contact him for suggestions and have continued to receive his salary and avoid any direct conflict of interest. He started CEO in 1999 and ended (supposedly in 2006) and reported the maximum level on the report of over $50,000,000 4 different times. (according to the PDF reporting documents on the opensecrets.org website. Other groups like "Omega Advisors, Inc. Multimarket Hedgefund" that pays interest, dividends and Capital Gains, has many real estate service investments in areas of the Country that showed the highest number of fraudulent loaning. Some of the assets that could be bought are homes in Indiana valued at $80,000 but had been assessed (yes they have assessment service investments as well) at well over $300,000. Our economic policies are flawed, and it is nothing more than an ancient embezzling scheme that always seems to find its way into every civilized nation. Funny how wherever we invoke war... it's in the few places around the globe that doesn't support the Goldman-Sachs/JP Morgan banking system.

The truth of the matter is, nationally based corporations are contrary to a stable economy. If you pay for a service in your state, that company needs to be based and have all of their service support within that state. (I'd even go as far as saying in that county.) The goal of each state should be to keep as much of the money spent by their residents inside the state. To have support in another state only drains more and more money from the local economy.   Read More »

What are the chances that tonight John McCain use his own version of this Sarah Palin Debate Flow Chart?

Mike W
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Who is hosting a watch party tonight in Tulsa, OK
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BENEATH THE SPIN • ERIC L. WATTREE


The Vice Presidential Debate:
Joe Biden Vs. Betty Boop

The writers can take the day off at Saturday Night Live this weekend, because comic relief won’t be necessary. Mark Twain himself couldn’t have provided better satire than the reality of last night’s vice presidential debate. The face-off between Sen. Joe Biden and Gov. Sarah Palin had the surrealistic air of a movie that combines a human actor with a cartoon character. It should have been billed Joe Biden versus Betty Boop--or Biden v Boop, if you will. But I have to begrudgingly tip my hat to Ms. Palin, even if I have to mix my metaphors, because she was forced to face Zorro with a wooden sword, and due to her fancy footwork, she almost pulled it off.

I also have to give credit to the McCain campaign. They set the stage well to mitigate a pending disaster by complaining that the moderator, veteran journalist Gwen Ifill, may have had a conflict of interest because she wrote a book on a new generation of Black politicians that included a chapter on Sen. Barack Obama. Of course, they didn’t make a big issue of it--after all, that would have precluded any journalist from writing a book that included any national politician during an election year--but they did make enough of it to possibly give Ms. Ifill pause before pursuing any of Ms. Palin’s cutesy, non-answers with aggressive followup questions to probe her grasp of the issues beyond superficial talking points. Who said desperation can’t inspire a stroke of competence?   Read More »
Like I had expected the media has just gone bonkers on Palin's performance yesterday but in reality she was absolutely horrible. Everybody was comparing her to herself with Katie Couric and Charlie Gibson but those interviews were using pointed questioning, which couldn't answer. At the debate she was asked general questions, which she chose to ignore and she was never challenged, like she was by Katie and Charlie, with follow-up questions.

Palin's answers were fluff and down right stupid but the media is making her sound as if she was some later day Cicero. She kept bringing up her experience in energy but nobody ever challenged her and asked her a follow-up question there. Just because somebody can say forcefully that they know something doesn't mean that they do. Unless one is challenged and they respond to the challenge with answers that display real knowledge of issues it is a mistake to take them up on their rhetoric that they have knowledge, so why is the media giving her any credit for this?

I think she was absolutely horrible and showed that the ticket is pathetic. I don't believe that any thinking American went away from the debate yesterday feeling that she was qualified to be a VP. But tell that to the media that is called liberal by the republicans. After today I beg to differ.
Quite a performance last night from Caribou Barbie. (I wish I could take credit for the "Caribou Barbie" moniker but a friend is the creative genius.)

It was not a debate,it was a carefully-scripted performance. This "one-trick" energy pony probably fooled some of the people. But where was the sincerity? Where was the vision? She was merely a talking head for the McCain ticket. That's all, folks. Just about every response was re-directed to get maximum campaign points. I have never seen such verbal tap-dancing in my life. And how sad that the bar was so low for her performance. She just had to "hold her own" against Biden, not actually impress people with her ideas and vision.

Are we as a nation really that gullible? Heaven help us if we are. "Vice President" has never been that prestigious of an office, but it will sink to new lows if this candidate somehow fools enough people to get herself elected. She is very, very low on the learning curve, and our country is in a crisis. We need someone who can hit the ground running, and that would be Joe Biden.

I actually feel sorry for Palin. Maybe in a few years, when she's had time to develop a true vision for this country, she might actually be a strong candidate. She's likable enough doggone it!

Early polls following last night's vice-presidential debate show that Joe Biden won handily on substance while Sarah Palin "met or exceeded" the low expectations set for her by Republicans and the media. Many leading observers agree, contrasting Biden's focus on the issues and command of the facts with Palin's evasiveness and folksy grandstanding.

A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll showed that 51% of viewers thought Biden performed better in the debate overall while 36% thought Palin performed better, with higher marks for Biden also on intelligence, ability to serve as president if called, and ability to bring change: 57% of CNN respondents said Biden was the more intelligent candidate to 26% for Palin, 87% said Biden was qualified to serve as president to 46% for Palin, and 53% said Biden was more likely to bring change to 42% for Palin. Meanwhile, a CBS News poll of uncommitted voters shows Biden won 46% to Palin's 21% with 33% saying the debate was a tie. On knowledgeability, Biden led Palin in the CBS poll 98% to 66%, while on preparedness for the job of vice-president Biden led 97% to 55%. A Media Curves poll shows independent voters favoring Biden in the debate 69% to 31% overall, with independents (and Democrats) giving Biden significantly higher marks also on foreign policy and national security as well as on the economy.

Many prominent political pundits have also called the debate for Biden, with many also highly critical of Palin's evasiveness and folksy grandstanding. At CNN, David Gergen called Biden's performance "the best debate performance of his life"; while Bill Schneider writes: "Palin's answers do not lack confidence, they lack coherence." Bob Schieffer of CBS said that, while Biden showed a clear command of the issues and facts, Palin was evasive: "I found it a little disconcerting, time and again, Governor Palin would just choose not to answer the question and launch into some dissertation, sometimes talking points, and not really address what Gwen Ifill had asked her" (America Blog). While Biden seemed to speaking to all of America throughout the debate, Salon's Joan Walsh observes, Palin "was talking to - and winking at - her own private Idaho." Newsweek's Howard Fineman compared the tone of Palin's attacks on Biden to "what a wolverine would sound like chewing through plywood...."

Using attack lines she had carefully rehearsed, drawing on a decade of conservative sound bites and dismissive rhetoric, Palin dashed through 90 minutes without having to expose her lack of detained knowledge, blasting away at Biden. Moderator Gwen Ifill rarely followed up, and the format--a strict two minutes for answers--insured that the pace was what Governor Palin wanted: frantic.
But does any of this mean that Palin “won” the night, in the sense that it advanced the cause of her Republican ticket? I don’t think so.

Time's Joe Klein writes likewise: "Sarah Palin's high-energy performance in the vice-presidential debate was the most glaring demonstration - since George W. Bush's performances in 2000 - of how little you can get away with knowing and still survive one of these things...," Klein writes, "...Joe Biden, by contrast, demonstrated a real knowledge of the issues in question...."

[Palin's] relentless opacity was impressive. She refused to answer the questions where she hadn't been prepped with answers and when Biden pointed out that an early question had been on deregulation not taxes, she flashed: "I may not answer the questions the way you and the moderator want to hear, but I'm gonna talk straight to the American people."
Talk straight she didn't, with only a few exceptions. She talked talking points. And when the talking points concerned areas where she didn't know diddly, she didn't talk them very convincingly. Indeed, there were times I got the distinct impression that she didn't understand the points she was talking about (on the vice president's constitutional powers, for example).

For Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post, the overriding patern in the debate was one of Biden presenting facts and Palin "saying stuff." Writes Robinson of Palin: "Sometimes she throws in a fact, but mostly she seems to be offering a string of approximate policy positions, encomiums to the American spirit, disputed interpretations of Barack Obama's record and anecdotes from Alaska." Even two former Bush administration officials, defense staffer Torie Clarke and communications staffer Matthew Dowd, agreed that it was Joe Biden's night (see Huffington Post, America Blog). Said Clarke:

I think Joe Biden had his best night tonight. He came with one mission, and that was to go after John McCain, and he did it, backed up by facts. I think he did a better job tonight of tying McCain to the Bush administration than Obama did last week.

Said Dowd, agreeing with Clarke:

I think, you know, I agree with her on this. I think Sarah Palin did reasonably well. The death spiral she has been on for the last week, she survived. She's lived another day. She did well. But I think, when the polls come out in the next two, three days, Joe Biden won this debate.

Sarah Palin's only "win" of the evening was that she exceeded the low expectations set for her by Republicans and the media, which in the real world of issues, ideas, and facts is no win at all. The New York Times observes:

We cannot recall when there were lower expectations for a candidate than the ones that preceded Sarah Palin’s appearance in Thursday night’s vice-presidential debate with Joseph Biden. After a series of stumbling interviews that raised serious doubts even among conservatives about her fitness to serve as vice president, Ms. Palin had to do little more than say one or two sensible things and avoid an election-defining gaffe.
By that standard, but only by that standard, the governor of Alaska did well. But Ms. Palin never really got beyond her talking points in 90 minutes, mostly repeating clichés and tired attack lines and energetically refusing to answer far too many questions.
Senator Biden did well, avoiding one of his own infamous gaffes, while showing a clear grasp of the big picture and the details. He left Ms. Palin way behind on most issues, especially foreign policy and national security, where she just seemed lost. It was in those moments that her lack of experience — two terms as mayor of a tiny Anchorage suburb and less than two years as governor — was most painfully evident....
One can argue (and her supporters will) that Ms. Palin is a newcomer and can’t be expected to know all of the wonkish details, that what matters is the image she projects. Except, anyone who is running for vice president in these very dangerous times needs to have detailed knowledge....
In the end, the debate did not change the essential truth of Ms. Palin’s candidacy: Mr. McCain made a wildly irresponsible choice that shattered the image he created for himself as the honest, seasoned, experienced man of principle and judgment. It was either an act of incredible cynicism or appallingly bad judgment.

There are those, of course, who will say that Palin "won" the debate simply by exceeding the low expectations set for her and surviving the debate, or that Palin's folksy grandstanding is just as good as Biden's command of the facts - that, in the battle of style vs. substance, Palin wins. One of these is Ruben Navarette at CNN: "Tie goes to the hockey mom," Navarette stupidly writes, as though you can make it that way simply because you imagine it to be. Another is Roger Simon at Politico: Oozing with admiration for Palin's folksy charm, Simon arrogantly dismisses Biden's assertion that "facts matter," asking rhetorically: "Yeah? In politics? Since when?"

Since the beginning, Mr. Simon: The political debate is a tradition that dates back to the ancient Greeks who invented democracy - a tradition based on issues, ideas, and facts, not folksy little tag lines. In the battle of issues, ideas, and facts, Biden wins.


Mark C. Eades
http://www.mceades.com
We ate in front of the television tonight so we wouldn't miss a single heartbeaat of the debate. The biggest thing that bothered me was the fact the Gov Palin avoided every question that she didn't like (about five) which burns my butt. She also reminded me of my oldest sister whose political views are whatever her church tells her, a true right winger, in this case what ever the McCain camp told her. I feel every true American has their own oppinion on everything in their lives.

Comparing apples Sen Biden's answers were direct to the questions he was asked and inline with most mainstream democrats, while Gov Palin's answers were not direct to what was asked and not inline with her party.   Read More »
Sarah Palin showed that she can not and should not be allowed to even be part of the presidential secret service detail, who are not allowed to be political, let alone be second in line to be the president of the U.S. Funny thing of the whole debate was that she had a hard time answering the questions if she was the first one to answer them because she hadn't had the time to think about an answer. If Sen. Biden was asked to answer the question first she was then able to answer the question, if any of her answers could be called answering a question, because she had had time read through her notes.

I am sure that the republican media will say that she won the debate because she could "chew gum." The question that needs to be asked is how does a person with as little knowledge as she displays even get a nod to be on the presidential tick of the U.S.? It is scary to think that this lady has the possibility of becoming the leader of the free world.

All her answers were pieced together sentences with subject, verb, and an object but if she were taking an essay exam she would have gotten an F for not answering the question! None of her answers addressed the questions posed to her. It sounded more like a person with some command of english trying to repeat something that was written for her. I will give her credit for remembering the words even if she wasn't able to put them together coherently.

It seems that the republicans don't care about facts and just keep delving into lies and rhetoric. I just hope that Joe "six pack" was not drunk and therefore paying attention to the lies that Palin was spewing. Can we trust the republicans and Mcain/Palin ticket? My answer is a big NO!
PALIN is evading the deregulation matter and wants to use the talking point about the TAX CUT. So, BIDEN needs to use that against her because Bush and McCain got us into the biggest economic catastrophy with their biggest tax cuts for 8 years for the wealthiest 10% of the nation. Republicans are clueless in how to stimulate America's economy even after they got the biggest tax cuts they demanded for. Republicans got their tax cuts, and the average Americans paid it with their bank failuers.
Of course I am about 10 miles away but it sounds good. Just wanted to get a post started about the debate, feel free to chime in everyone.

NBC news anchor Tom Brokaw's behind-the-scenes relationship with the McCain campaign, as well as evidence of bias toward McCain in Brokaw's recent reporting on the presidential race, have brought into question his fitness to moderate the next presidential debate Oct. 7.

As the New York Times reports today, Brokaw has lately played the role of a liaison between NBC and the McCain campaign and even acted as an advocate for McCain within NBC. In an interview with the Times on Sunday, Brokaw said that he had "advocated" with NBC executives "to modify the anchor duties of the MSNBC hosts Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews on election night and on nights when there were presidential debates" owing to their perceived unfriendliness toward McCain, in effect dumping Olbermann and Matthews as anchors and using them only as commentators. Brokaw told the Times also that he had "conducted some shuttle diplomacy in recent weeks between NBC and the McCain campaign," aimed at assuring the campaign that "McCain could still get a fair shake from NBC News." Brokaw said that he had been told by a senior McCain aide that the campaign had been reluctant to accept an NBC representative as one of the moderators of the three presidential debates until his name was invoked. "One of the things I was told by this person was that they were so irritated, they said, 'If it’s an NBC moderator, for any of these debates, we won't go'...," Brokaw said, "...My name came up, and they said, 'Oh, hell, we have to do it, because it’s going to be Brokaw'."

Brokaw has also drawn criticism for evidence of bias toward McCain in his recent reporting on the presidential race. On Sunday's "Meet the Press,"  Brokaw ended a debate between Steve Schmidt of the McCain campaign and David Axelrod of the Obama campaign by stating the following: "...We continue to poll on who's best equipped to be Commander in Chief, and John McCain continues to lead in that category despite the criticism from Barack Obama by a factor of 53 to 42 percent in our latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll." In fact, as MoveOn.org observes, the latest NBC poll has no question about Commander in Chief, and Brokaw appears to have been referring to a poll taken weeks ago. In each of NBC's last two polls, Americans chose Obama over McCain. MoveOn has called on its members to write to Brokaw at NBC and demand responsible journalism. On the same edition of "Meet the Press," Media Matters observes, Brokaw allowed Schmidt to falsely claim that McCain had "called for the firing of Don Rumsfeld" (McCain never called for Rumseld to be fired or to resign). Brokaw has also been observed suggesting that McCain's POW status means Democrats ought to lay off criticizing him (see FAIR, The Raw Story).

Concerns regarding Tom Brokaw's fitness to moderate the Oct. 7 presidential debate may be addressed to Janet Brown, director of the Commission on Presidential Debates: jb@debates.org. An online petition, Boot Brokaw, is collecting signatures to urge the CPD to switch moderators.


Mark C. Eades
http://www.mceades.com
Throughout the campaign I've been involved in several candidate forums with my opponents for the open seat in the 5th Congressional District. Additionally, during the final 5 weeks of the campaign there will be several additional opportunities for voters in the 5th district to watch all three candidates debate the important issues facing the district and the nation. The important question voters should consider while watching or listening to these events is which of the three candidates really understands the important problems facing our nation.

There are several issues that clearly define and differentiate where I stand and what I believe in versus my two opponents. I've found that my stances on Health Care Reform, the future of Social Security, understanding the economic problems in the 5th district and, most importantly, fiscal responsibility by the federal government separate me from my two opponents.   Read More »
Boring, ridiculous, stupid!

If change come to Washington is because or an African-American could be the president or because a woman could be the vice-president.

That's it!

Percy H Florez
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